Does the "hot shy girl" stereotype actually exist in

>meet cute, shy, pure girl
>shares your interests, sweet, caring
>enjoys sex with you, says shes never experienced any of this
>turns out she was molested

Yes, they do exist. But no they are not perfect like in fantasies.

>>18215764
Shyness is literally one step away from a mental illness or a psychological disorder. Anyone can suffer from trauma, anxiety or issues with self-esteem.

>>18215764
I got attractive when I was in my early 20s. Lost weight, started dressing better and taking care of myself.
Still pretty autistic and shy. Nothing as extreme as the guy in your OP, but yeah.

>>18215772
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>>18215774
>guy OP is talking about is an athlete and has a day job, just happens to be shy and have a slight speech impediment
>nothing as extreme as that
So you aren't shy whatsoever, got it

>>18215777
I am not extremely shy.
I am pretty shy, quiet, introverted, a bit awkward.

No need to be a cunt.

>>18215772
This kind of thinking is what gives people anxiety disorders and bullshit like that. Shyness is normal, just like being introverted.

>>18215764
>hot shy girl
No, maybe in the mormons, but the type you think of is actually a huge slut for Chad

>>18215782
>I am a man pretending to be a woman

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maybe

>>18215784
To a certain point. If others notice how shy you are, you're past the "normal shy" point. It's nothing bad or anything but simply not the norm aka. normal.

>>18215826
>averageteen.png

>>18215764
Yes but they disappear earlier thanks to facebook and shit. Not all women are showered by male attention all the time, and the way bodies change in teens can be very unkind. Girl can be weird and gangly, spotty, etc, then really beautiful. Or hang around people that keep them down

>>18215833
The "norm" is extremely biased in western countries. What would be considered shy in here would be considered normal in other cultures.

Nowadays shyness is looked at more as a pathology than just a character trait some people have, which in turn makes these people feel like shit.

>>18215826
>tfw no autistic gf
Feels bad man

>>18215844
>girl is ugly duckling
>grows up to be hot
>everybody notices
>she notices
>huge confidence boost
>no longer shy

I've known a few girls that used to be ugly in school/high school then bang smoking hot. All of them became much more outgoing and confident almost overnight.
The shy hot girl thing is a meme.

>>18215846
Then norm can't be biased. It's simply what the majority does. Or well, the majority in the culture one is in.

>What would be considered shy in here would be considered normal in other cultures.
Sure but a big part of it is because Asian cultures support submissive attitude, which has more downsides for the overall state of society.

>than just a character trait some people have
Which is rarely the case. Shyness that stands out usually comes from bad experiences in the childhood, fucked up development and the likes. It's a pretty negative trait.

>which in turn makes these people feel like shit.
That's a problem related to how we deal with most mental things. Nobody is raising a brow when you're going to a doctor after breaking a leg but go to therapy and there is a huge stigma attached. That problems goes much deeper than muh shyness.

>>18215853
Being hot and getting doesn't change much. Tons of hot celebrities are insecure wrecks and generally shy.

>>18215853
The timing has to be right, and usually in high school if suddenly gets hot everyone notices and shy hot girls exist for maybe half a day to half a week. There does have to be another factor. Like her noticing the change but not getting the verification, crippling mental health issues, them being a shut-in.

>>18215853
I don't think the ugly duckling syndrome is completely true. I mean, looking good is a skill, though I guess if they realize they're not as ugly as they thought they were then they would put more effort into looking good and everything lines up into place, which what happened in your examples I think.

>>18215852
Like I said, I think looking good is a skill (poor genetics notwithstanding), so there probably are autistic girls with good base looks but being autists have neglected it so they stay ugly ducklings.

>It's another "wait women are people?" thread

>>18215892
Sorta.
It's the "how low can we aim, to get what we want thread".
OR
"I'm looking for my female counterpart except not ugly" thread

>>18215892
>it's another "insecurity issues affect males and females equally" post

>>18215826
who that

>>18215918
Actually I'm legit just curious. I'm very detached from the relationship stuff, I just enjoy observing people.

>>18215978
>I'm very detached from the relationship stuff, I just enjoy observing people.

Living vicariously through people isn't that much fun. But I get you.

>>18215764
Yes. Have you ever noticed how even suuuper hot women tend to look pretty average if you catch a picture of them in realistic lighting, or without makeup, etc? Well think about that, then think of all the average looking shy girls out there. You get some makeup and a good photographer and you can make most of those 6/10's look really great.

>>18215764
>Does the "hot shy girl" stereotype actually exist in real life?
Yes, but they tend to be religious. As strange as it may sound, churches are some of the best places to pick up qts if you're willing to play along with their cult, because a lot of religious types only want to date other religious types. If you ever want to have a boost in your self esteem, go to an urban church of the Latter Day Saints (mormons). You'll have 8's and 9's eyeing you up even if you're average, because the competition is so small, as it's mostly manlets and old men at those churches.

>>18215988
I've made my peace with that

>>18215764
Attractice shy girls? Yes.

Super attractive, 9-10/10 shy girls? Basically no. It's about as rare as 29 days in february. The hotter you are, the more men approach you, the more men approach you, the more socialised you are from speaking let alone going out with them to new places and expanding your horizons.

Anyone saying yes in this thread is deciding based off the exception, not the rule.

>>18215764
Archetype. Not stereotype. There's a difference.

>>18216029
Yeah but let's be real here, the difference between an 7/10 and a 10/10 is charisma and makeup.

>>18216020
>I've made my peace with that

I don't know, it didn't bother me persay while was in my teens and early 20s cos I was too busy doing...something, I don't remember but it's been bothering me a lot now, to the point where I take long walks in the night or rain to avoid people rather than my usual walks in the day.

>>18216029
Here's the thing you gotta understand about the girl world though, is that it doesn't matter how perfect you are, you have insecurities and will always think less of yourself.

And the reason for this? Other women. Women are catty jealous bitches that go straight for the throat when it comes to being attractive and attracting men. Those ugly 7-8's spend their entire existence trying to mentally fuck with the 10's to bring them down to their level, so that they have a better shot with guys.
We're competitive as fuck and use all sorts of emotional warfare to bring each other down to boost our odds. Because we know even if her body is still a 10/10 at the end of the day, if we reduce her down to a bubbling pool of self hate and insecurity, guys will stay clear because as hot as she is, you don't stick your dick in crazy.

>>18216099
>you don't stick your dick in crazy.
Only like... Maybe 40% of guys even follow that advice. Loads of people SAY it, but a lot of dudes if you give them a crazy bitch who just happens to look amazing, he's putting the penis in.

>>18216105
Eh, we know you don't stay with crazy then. Unless you're some crazy insecure neckbeard yourself.
You might fuck a crazy chick for the lulz, but she will then only ever be a temporary plaything.
The lower numbers with their brain in tact have better odds at keeping a dude.

>>18216111
>Eh, we know you don't stay with crazy then.
Lots of dudes stay with crazy, especially if she's hot. Hell, lots of dudes stay with crazy girls who look like shit. Dudes be thirsty.

And half the reason a lot of girls end up crazy is because of other bitches and pressure from the dating game, so if you can spend some time with her, make her feel good, get her to calm the fuck down, half that shit goes away. A temporary madness. I figure of all the crazy bitches in the world, only about half of them are actually crazy, the rest are just tense and frayed.

>>18216123
Again, only the crazies themselves stay with crazy.
Especially in this day and age where it's perfectly acceptable to never settle down with one chick and fuck as many as you want.

Anyway, thats not the point. My point was hot chicks often dont even think of themselves as hot because us other chicks make sure she doesn't.
Ergo, yes there will be the shy types because they don't think of themselves as hot.

>>18216087
I'm way beyond the point of no return to start caring about it now. There are lots of other things in life I enjoy, so I'm mostly fine with it.

>>18216137
>I'm way beyond the point of no return
Funny, you seem to be alive.

>>18216137
>I'm way beyond the point of no return

How old are you now? 28?

>>18216099
>hurr all women are shit
Don't talk for everyone. This reads like a ridiculous overdrawn stereotype to me. I'm happy to not run in the crowds you move in.

>>18216143
Its true though dude. Chicks go to war for guys, unless they're lesbians. We all do it to a certain extent. Some are worse than others, but we all get jealous of another chick winning.

>>18215970
Here : >>18211836
That thread was gold

>>18216147
I'm a woman myself. I couldn't give less of a shit about someone landing a nice guy, good for her. Maybe if I hate her for personal reasons I'll resent it, yes, but that's something else.
I have also never experienced this in my interaction with other women. I am friends with women hotter and more popular than me. Big deal. One of my friends is that type of woman that guys embarrass themselves for, sometimes they act like I'm invisible next to her - and that can be annoying or eat at your self respect but at the end of the day, she's a lovely person and a valued friend and I'm not going to blame her for winning the genetic lottery or men acting rude to me because of her.
I have also overwhelmingly experienced support, including when it comes to self esteem and physical stuff, from both friends less and more conventionally attractive than I am.

What you describe literally reads like a sixteen year old guy who just finished Gossip Girl imagining what it's like to be a woman to me. Not saying you are lying, just know that there's more out there and you can be friends with women who try to build you up instead of tearing you down.

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>>18216142
I'm 26. I live a normal life except for the fact I've never been intimate with somebody else.

>>18216149
I don't get it

>>18216162
I was 24 before I started getting involved with relationships, and I'm perfectly happy now. You're barely behind were I was, you could make it work if you want to. You may choose not to, but it's not impossible.

>>18216156
I am a 22 year old woman and I've seen it countless times man. From chicks I know, from chicks I don't know. You do it too, you just won't admit to it to yourself. Even a subtle remark does it, like you've probably said something to your friend in the past like "Wow must be nice being so hot guys throw themselves at you, you make other women feel invisible".
Condescending little remarks are attempts at tearing them down. Some are worse than others, but we ALL do it.

>>18216165
Here? >>18213610

>>18216178
If you move from "going straight for the throat competing for men" to "occasionally making condescending little remarks" then it's no longer a gendered thing for me. I have made more passive aggressive remarks to my father than to anyone else in my life.
Not to mention yes this happens, occasionally, but have you never been in a group of guys where friends suddenly starting taking each other down a peg to look better in your eyes? If you are literally talking about a critical or negative remark then I don't see how that's closely tied to being a woman in any way.

Also, in fact, no, I have told her once that it made me self conscious sometimes and she said she understood and asked what I'd like to see from her in such a situation. That was it.

>>18216099
>>18216156
>>18216178
This is one thing I think men have it way better in. If dude *is* your friend, 90% of the time he's genuinely going to want to support you, and even if he does get jealous or petty he's usually not going to be passive aggressive about it, he'll just straight up give you some shit.

>>18216188
Its the intent. The intent of those remarks is to tear them down and put them on your level.
It's still going for the throat, just sneaking up from behind to do it.

But please, keep preaching muh feminism and how women are saints to one another.
We're all vicious little shits deep down, myself included. You too. You want a man, I want a man, we all want a man, and there are only a few good ones to go around. You have to fight to the death for them and every chick hotter than you is your competition. We know how to fuck with one another, we've known since childhood, we know how we all tick, we know the exact things to say to rip them to pieces all while maintaining this air of innocence.

>>18216193
That's the thing, I really resent the "women are all frenemies" trope because in my experience it's simply not true. Yes a catty remark here or there is to be expected if you're friends long enough, other people can irritate you, but that's no different among guys or with guys and girls thrown together.

>>18216193
This too. Dude fights end within a few hours. Chick fights are for life. Girls never forgive and never forget. It'll be 50 years later and Janice will still be bitching about what Becky did in elementary school.

>>18216196
kek implying you weren't always the ugly friend your hot friends kept around to make themselves look better.

>>18216195
>The intent of those remarks is to tear them down and put them on your level.
Or you're just lashing out because you are annoyed and human...? And exactly as you mention, not a saint, without having some sort of creepy plan to break their spirit so you can step over their dead body for some guy?

>>18216201
I have normal looks, I just have exceptionally hot friends now, I used to be "the hot girl" in my high school clique and they still were sincere friends to me.

>>18216203
Just speaking the truth mate. You're the one that seems rather upset about hearing it, because you know it's true.
But chicks don't like when other chicks reveal their true natures, because it looks bad to guys. So I know why you're upset about me spilling the secret.

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>>18216206
uh huh.

>>18216209
No girl, I honestly feel sorry for you.

>>18216215
and I kinda feel sorry for your massive denial of it all. So I guess we're even.

You know this is what happens. You know it well, and again, you're just trying to cover your own ass. Chicks are vicious.

>>18216212
Fuck I am triggered by this gif. I hate when women behave in such way, makes me want to kill them.

>>18216193
Whole different dynamic. I've been fueding with guys for a week, then after we finally just up and fought it out, we hung out, drank, and spent the night singing ACDC at a pub.

This is where the thread derails.

>>18216221
I understand that you 100% believe that everyone shares this mindset but simply telling someone over and over again "you actually agree with me, you just won't say it" is not an argument. I am telling you as one anonymous woman to another, that no, I do not recognize what you say. Catty behavior between women at times? Sure. Insecurity or jealousy especially when young? Sure. Life is messy, shit happens, people hurt each other. But an all around strategy to undermine them so you end on top? Not whatsoever.

>>18216224
kek it's a tv show man.

>>18216170
There is a difference between having relationships and not having spoken to a female intimately more than once in your life. The entire concept is alien to me anon, and I'm fucking 26. It's quite safe to say it's just not something I was meant to experience.

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>>18216236
I would say something but I'm exactly in the same position as you except 27.

>>18216232
Who said I was arguing lol. I'm saying the truth, this is how the world turns. You've repressed that truth so far back you don't think it's true but it is.
Or again, you're trying to cover because I've blown the lid and now dudes know how cut throat we are and competitive women aren't attractive.

This happens through all stages of life. My mom's 55 fucking years old and still bitches about the chick who kissed her boyfriend (my dad) on new years in the 80's.
Because we're all after that man, and only one can win. Even when we win, we have to watch our backs because women will take from one another if we give them the chance.
It is always a climb to the top. If you're not first you're last. And if you slip up, you lose your man or your chance at a man. You have to stomp the others down to get back up. It's the only way, and we all know it. Fight to the finish, and you gotta hold onto your prize for dear life or some other hotter chick is gonna take him.

I watched the discussion here and can say only one thing: women will convince themselves anything they want to believe, even though the evidence differs, it won't matter shit to them, it is like trying to convince a wall. They will just blind-spot all the facts and arguments which do not fit.

>>18216248
pretty much, don't open their eyes and see what's really happening around them.

>>18216246
Well, it seems weird that I would have managed to somehow repress my singular life goal I will sacrifice anything for. Or that I am desperate to attract anonymous guys on 4chan of all places, that I will never meet in real life. I am just telling you my honest life experience and I'm near your age (24). Whatever works for you, but I'm not that picky, I just want someone who will love me and have nice conversations with me, I find most men attractive to some extent. I've never had reason to complain about guys showing interest in me. Not supermodels no, but I don't empathize with your whole "few men are worthwhile" spiel to begin with.
Whatever works for you I guess.

>>18216248
Not really. All I see is a semi-interesting thread being derailed.

>>18216263
Well, idk how you've done it but you certainly have repressed it.
You have people you won't date too. You have standards, we all do. We all want the best man, there are only a handful of those we can categorize as best. We all have different tastes of course. But at the end of the day, you have to settle for something even if you can't get the best. Which means you have to fight women off even just to settle.

You know your place in the world. You know even to get bottom tier men you have to fight off the other failures that didn't get the top tier. You have to drag other women down to be the top of even the shit tier.
You know exactly what you're doing.

At some point I don't know when but the beat down nerd started worshipping Chad and hating women.

>>18216263
Don't bother replying. Remember where we are. You'll know if you're right.

>>18216239
You're reaching the age where women start being desperate to marry. Then again who the fuck cares, the 20s are basically the best time in life and we missed the best part of it.

>>18216274
>Not really
You just did it, lmao

>>18216286
>You're reaching the age where women start being desperate to marry.

Actually the real funny (read:depressing) thing is that there are a lot of single chicks in my area. All 7+/10. What has happened is that the average/ugly girls have cashed in their chips and are in relationships.

Somebody's gonna come in and say there are no leagues but you still need common interests with people and I'm not the club/hipster/trendy/gangster (delete as appropriate) type. I'm an introverted person with no discernible personality.

>>18216321
hey me too want to fuck?

>>18216349
I'll hit you with a baseball bat until you stop moving. I haven't turned fag like the rest of 4chan.

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>>18216360
Damn son

>>18216321
> I'm an introverted person with no discernible personality
Fuck I don't think I've ever read such a perfect description for me.

>>18216149
>>18216186
Jesus fucking christ man, I went through it all.

>>18215764
Hot girls that are shy either recently became hot or suffer from excruciating social anxiety/trauma.

If you're hot, people approach you constantly.
If you have social anxiety, practicing and enteracting with others is how you get rid of it.
Therefore, most shy hot people outgrow their shyness as people approach them.

>>18215764
>does the hot shy girl stereotype exist in real life

are you asking if fictional or anecdotal women you have heard about exist in real life?

try going outside and finding out

jesus christ


now this is an 80 reply thread because you've gone and triggered all the embittered folks

>>18216014
Actually, the truly beautiful ones look great even without makeup…and that just goes too show you how deceptive makeup can be. Makeup should not be used as a crutch.

>>18215767
Wow you described my ex perfectly. I thought it was just because she was a nice person. Nah getting molested at 5 will do that to a person.

>physically attractive
>dress well
>came to forget how it feels to kiss someone
>autistic as fuck

It doesn't count as shyness tho.

>>18216156
Does your name start with an E?

>>18216099
Hell I'll stick my dick in crazy and ugly.

>>18216099
And this is literally the stupidest shit and biggest waste of time.

As a man, I prefer going for a not so attractive girl that has shit in common with me. Even if her friend is clearly hotter, irdgaf about hanging out with her friends most the time anyway. Because if this sort of mentality is alive in their friendship, this ugly competitive bs, you're both dead. If the girl is both attractive AND compatible, great. But really what attracts me to a woman TRULY, is hardly ever so superficial, beauty is nice, but real beauty starts inside, and is then reflected in the way the girl dresses, dances, comports herself.

That's young girl child mentality shit, really there to be overcome. But there's no peace of mind surrounding yourself with such people. Sometimes it's better to be alone than in bad company.

>>18217069
cont
there's clearly more to what's truly beautiful about a woman, but those three examples were part of what attracted me to the girl I have a thing for.