How do you folks deal with the fact that you'll never be

>>18190965
Wtf kind of body do you think guys want?

As long as you are not fat.Try lowering your expectations. Its easier for girls i feel just treat some guy nice and soon he will fall for you. We guys are simple creatures.

>>18190976
I'm not ... Kek

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>>18190974
Probably bigger breasts?

Most guys don't care as much as you think they do. The main thing guys want is for you to be awesome to be around.

My girlfriend isnt exactly a 9/10 but damn we have good times together. And she is ok with flaws I have.

Just keep exercising and do stuff that makes you happy. Be content with the things you can't change, it's just not worth worrying about it.

>>18190978
Yea kek that is pretty on point.

Just be yourself. It will work out somehow.

>>18190978
Are you OP?

>>18190965
You sound like typical attention whore in denial :-)

But all you have to realize is once you snatch some cute caring boy he will be yours and if you care about him enough you will become woman number one for him no matter how gorgeous others will be.

And if you want instant attention, try
>>>/soc/ or some online dating platform.

>>18190965
Why obsessing over the things you can't change instead on working on the things you can change?

Take care of yourself - stay in shape, take care of your skin and your hair, dress well, do your hair, use make up to enhance your features.
Be nice to people around you, smile, be interesting to be around.

Sure - you might be average. It happens, most people are average. It's not a huge deal.

>>18190978
Yeah, that was actually on point. She is fine, but even bigger tits would be mhm.

Idk man

>>18190986
Yes, I'm not >>18190977

>>18190965
As long as you don't get fat, you don't need to spend too much time working out. Be a friendly/happy person to be around and there'll be guys that want to be with you.

>>18190982
>>18190987
>>18190988
>>18190995
I just feel like the competition blows me away. Guys will always lust for those overall 8/10+ women with looks and prospects. That's the thing which really sucks. I'll never be good enough for ''him''. I will never be able to satisfy ''him''. He will say that everything is fine, but I'm not 5 years old, I know that he secretly wants better.......

It's really the thought of never being good enough. I feel like I can't compete.

Is it atelophobia?

From what I've seen in my life.
It's harder for a 6/10 male to find love then a 6/10 female.

Shit I've seen skanky flat chested missing teeth girls get with near chad like guys.

Thank fucking god I'm a male.

Jesus Christ.

>>18191000
>him
If there's a particular guy then your looks aren't the only thing you should focus on, talk about things you have in common.

>>18191000
What kind of guy do you want? A 10/10 Chad?

Most men are really just boys. Actual men are hard to get.

>>18191000
I think it's just insecurity.

Love isn't objective. You don't pick a partner based on how good their stats are.
There are a lot of women better than me. Thinner, more beautiful, with larger breasts or better butts. There are women smarter than me, richer than me, more successful than me, nicer than me or more amazing than me in some ways I can't think of.
But when my boyfriend looks at me, you can tell that in his eyes I'm the one. The way he looks at me, the way he smiles, the way he talks to me or about me... you can just tell I'm the only person for him. Even if I'm not the best.
Love isn't a competition.

Just relax, better yourself, show the best qualities you have to the world and try to find someone who loves you for who you are.

>>18191000
Believe it or not, but i am a guy who looks for more than looks. If i wanted just looks, i would fap to porn with the "perfect bodies" for rest of my life. But as i am slowly but surely growing out from my manchild phase, i realize that all i really want is one qtie who will be loyal and caring (and bonus points for her being able to hold conversation).

You just have insecurity over your body. That is very common. I would date you based on just what have you written so far and cure your insecurities :-)

Go to online dating and see for yourself about how many weirdos will spam you.

>>18191011
Get a load of this faggot.

>>18191011
*tips fedora

>>18191000
we lust for everything that looks poundable

its about choosing you to pound and not chase other poundinas

>>18191008
>But when my boyfriend looks at me, you can tell that in his eyes I'm the one. The way he looks at me, the way he smiles, the way he talks to me or about me... you can just tell I'm the only person for him
Is this satire? Pasta?

>>18191008
>But when my boyfriend looks at me, you can tell that in his eyes I'm the one. The way he looks at me, the way he smiles, the way he talks to me or about me... you can just tell I'm the only person for him.

Yes.

>>18191014
>poundinas
Fucking kek i'm stealing this

>>18191008
look up louis ck masturbating in peace on youtube

>>18190965
You're not special, stop acting like you have to be the perfect person to live your life you whiny cunt.

>>18191007
Are you implying that not all girls wants Chad? Have you ever been outside?

>>18191056
They do, but not everyone can have s Chad bf, you cunt.

>>18190965
You can do one of two things:

Accept that you'll never be the best at anything and that aiming for perfection isn't exactly the calmest way to live life. Learn to take things slow and stay in your metaphorical weight class. If you're an average person, you'll date average men, have an average job, and live life average, but at least you've come to terms with and embraced being average

Or you can live up to your potential and be the best you can be. For some people that is average but for the people who try, that might mean they end up better than most people through hard work and enthusiasm

At any rate, if you keep your head up and increase your confidence you'll find a guy that's not below you. I firmly believe women can date at least two points higher than themselves

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

In other words: Stop giving a fuck about other people. About things you cant control. Just do you. Are you fitter than before? Good fucking job, feel good about it, you deserve it

Confidence and happiness in ones self are the two most attractive traits someone can possess. Even the hottest skinny bitch with DD tits and a perfect ass will suck all the enjoyment out of a mans life and make him miserable if shes a drag to be around.

You haven't got to be perfect to be happy. You just have to try to get better. If that makes sense

Journey not destination etc.

>>18190965

I feel exactly the same OP. I workout a lot but my gym is full of tiny Instagram models make up'd to the max looking amazing. I try to focus on the positives in my life to deal with this.

People look different and there are body types you could never achieve no matter what. For example, I'm 5ft7, fully in the THICC catagory, but I'd love to be a tiny petite girl. As I said, I work my ass off but I'm never going to lose my boobs or ass. The only thing I can do is aim to make my body the best it can possibly be.

Regardless of your body type, dedication and confidence is the most attractive thing. You're already doing better than most girls by hitting the gym - work it, ignore the others, you're awesome.

>>18191117
Try doing any of that when you're 6'0. Height is something I can't change.

>>18191122

I think tall girls can be mega hot if they have the body for it. There will always be people out there who find your body type amazing.

If 400lb women can attract guys, I'm sure a tall woman can.

>>18191129
>400lb women
This is a meme from /fit/, right?

>>18190965
Learn how to suck a mean dick.

>>18191122
I promise you, I'm not the only guy that fucking LOVES a tall girl. And I don't mean like 5'9 tall. I mean like 5'11" and above. I want a girl that I have to look up at in heels.

This is the thing you have to remember: For every body type there is a guy that fucking loses his shit for it.

>>18190965
I'm a guy, but I feel the exact same way.

I go to the gym, and I've gotten into decent shape. But all of the dudes I see at the gym look way better than me. It makes me feel pretty emasculated. Especially when I see attractive girls at the gym, I try to avoid them as much as possible

Everyone who has dated around a bit, and many people who never have but know a fair bit about life, know that looks by themselves don't mean that much. You could have the prettiest girl in the world, and if all she did was whine all day and drag you down anyone would be dying to ditch her somewhere after a couple of months.

There is one thing that matters. One. Whether you offer a good package deal.
Yeah that contains looks. But also how loving and affectionate you are, how loyal. Whether you like sex and know how to be a good lover. Whether you can hold interesting conversations about a variety of things. Whether you are patient, mild, able to compromise, able to discuss maturely what you want and why you do the things you do. Whether you are compatible with him in terms of life goals. Whether you know how to forgive and focus on the positive, know which battles aren't worth fighting and which are.

I could go on and on, but you get the picture. A random guy on the street won't be able to tell all this stuff just from looking at you, but once you have a relationship he will know what he has in his hands.

The kind of man who will not care about anything else as soon as he sees a pretty girl, is the type who will trade her for a younger model after a decade. These men are in no way desirable.

>>18191151
>I want a girl that I have to look up at in heels
t. Giraffe girl

>>18190965
I get how you feel OP. My face is 7/10, maybe on a very good day and if I wear make-up 8/10. Very small boobs, but they have a nice perky shape. At least I have a small waist, and enough weightlifting and exercise can give me a better butt and abs hopefully.
I've given up on looking sexy or cute, because I can do neither. I hope I can now just focus on looking strong and fit.
Problem is my boyfriend used to be (still kinda is) close to this QT who looks very exotic and like a shorter, fitter version of me. She recently got out of a 5 year relationship, so he never had the chance before. I worry he might fantasize about rather being with her. At least I one up her on being redpilled, skilled with memes and based, plus being great in bed and the kitchen. But then again we are in a LDR, so he might just think it's not worth waiting until we see each other every time.

>>18191117
>As I said, I work my ass off but I'm never going to lose my boobs or ass.

And that's a fucking great thing. Anyone can do a million crunches and have a tight core, but you can't teach curves.

>>18191160
I'd hit that.

>>18190965
I get how you feel OP. My face is 7/10, maybe on a very good day and if I wear make-up 8/10. Very small boobs, but they have a nice perky shape. At least I have a small waist, and enough weightlifting and exercise can give me a better butt and abs hopefully.
I've given up on looking sexy or cute, because I can do neither. I hope I can now just focus on looking strong and fit.
Problem is my boyfriend used to be (still kinda is) close to this QT who looks very exotic and like a shorter, fitter version of me. She recently got out of a 5 year relationship, so he never had the chance before. I worry he might fantasize about rather being with her. At least I one up her on being redpilled, skilled with memes and based, plus being great in bed and the kitchen. But then again we are in a LDR, so he might just think it's not worth waiting until we see each other every time.

>>18191174
Sorry for double post, technical error

>>18191161
>At least I one up her on being redpilled, skilled with memes and based,

Wew I hope he leaves you

>>18191000
This is some quality bait, nice trips.

Seriously though, women don't "compete" with looks and this whole thing is a farce. It doesn't matter if you don't look top 1% and acting like it does is incredibly insulting to the guys are real girls(male) that visit this site. You're still going to get these guys, ANY guys, from just existing in public. Your issue isn't the end goal, you're literally just complaining that you're not some goddess of attraction over all the other women and it's deserving of a sage, so here's one for free. It's just bad bait because no real or fake woman would make this complaint.

>Guys, my typing skills don't work! I type in legitimate English but people don't read my text! I can tell some do because they all respond to my posts but I just don't feel like I'm getting ALL the attention

This is the reason I'll never find the right girls. I get wanting to look good but fuck, it's nowhere near as important as actually being a likable person.
I'm pretty good looking myself and I can tell you with 100% honestly I'd date a 5/10 I enjoy spending time with than some generic 10/10 Stacy any day. But when those girls just wants to be stacies too it ruins everything.

>>18191186
He's based and redpilled too, and he actually thinks that's very attractive about me. It's one of the biggest reasons he's with me.

>>18191191
He can't cut off his hand?

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>>18190965
well OP, if this >>18190978 is you, you're in the high end of hot.
Just be yourself and go talk to guys you might be interested in, you have nothing to lose in these situations because the worst they can say is no.

As for the insecurity, my GF is no 10/10 hottie, maybe a 5 or a 6, but what she looks like pales in comparison to who she is.
Her personality is a gold mine of intellectual fun and kindness, in the end that's all that will matter anyway. Find a guy that likes you for YOU.

If we can go 3 years with no fights and good times, so can you OP

>>18191000
all you need is child bearing hips and ass
everything else is a bonus >>18190965

>As for the insecurity, my GF is no 10/10 hottie, maybe a 5 or a 6, but what she looks like pales in comparison to who she is.
Ugh, your gf's pussy must be like the Sahara when youre around. That is the most defeatist comments I've heard in a while. "my girlfriend isn't pretty but..."

>>18191227
>maybe a 5 or a 6
>settling for anything under 7
Didn't make it.

>>18190965
>How do you folks deal with the fact that you'll never be good enough?
By working to get better. When you reach one milestone, find another. Keep improving yourself. Make this a lifestyle, and soon you'll *be* one of those exceptional, interesting people.

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>>18190974
the only acceptable kind

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>>18190965
>I'll never have a 9/10+ face. I'll never have big breasts
Plastic surgery has come a *long* way in the past few years. It's not just bowling balls on your chest and donut lips anymore. A bit of surgical grooming goes a long way, pic related.

>>18190965
Post a pic I doubt you're half as bad as you think

>>18191811
That woman is horrifying to me

>>18191815
Everyone has their own tastes. Either way, a lot of people consider her very attractive, as she's one of the most popular models on instagram.

>>18190978
Damn, Lisa Vanatta is looking hot there

>>18191823
She looks plastic lol. Not a good example of "plastic surgery won't make you look like a fake person".

>>18191811
what did she look like before?

>>18191000
"You wouldn't care so much about what others think of you, if you only realised how seldom the do." -Eleanor Roosevelt

>>18191836

See, I saw this photo and thought "what an amazing ass...even with a million squats I'd never look like that". Didn't even pass my mind that it might be through surgery.

I COULD be nice

But I'm on the shitter, because in about one hour, I have to get ready to go do my own workout routine, and my /r9k/ side is telling me you don't have to do shit, while *I* have to go earn my figure, because males, by default, have the image of being fit.

I feel like the only way I can meet halfway with you is tell you that both resistance training and cardio activates mechanisms in your body that keeps you healthy, young, and energized and if you continue with cardio, specifically, your mitochondria will thank you in your 30s when you see everyone else be fat and lazy because of three decades of eating sugar and not exercising, and reaching for a cup of coffee first thing every morning

tl;dr who cares what they look like, they earned it, so can you, and it'll benefit you way more than you realize

>>18191836
I didn't say it won't make you look fake, I said it won't look like bowling balls and donut lips. I just posted her as an example. 9 out of 10 female celbrities have some kind of surgical enhancement. A lot of the time it's just something small, like a nose correction, changing the folds around the eyes, that kind of thing. A little bit goes a long way. Changing one feature subtly can be the difference between a 6 and an 8.

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>>18191836
If you want examples of more subtle plastic surgery, it exists, just depends on how much you want to pay.

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At the end of the day, this is what men wants.

>>18191011
>all i really want is one qtie who will be loyal and caring

kek. You'll never get anything remotely close to that because that's way out of your particular league. Never stop dreaming, though!

>>18191871

Isn't this just a good filter though? She still has a wide nose and her eyes are just exaggerated by good make up. Just out of interest, has this girl had surgery?

>>18191876
It's what some men want. Not necessarily most. Guys have a *huge* variety of tastes, there is no one perfect example.

>>18191880
Of course, it wouldn't have made a lot of sense to post her if she wasn't enhanced.

>>18191876

Her eyes are wonky. Cannot unsee.

>>18190965
You're definitly not alone. I think a lot of women feel this way.
>>18191876
Is face really all that matters? How the fuck do I get a more attractive face w/o knife?

>>18191876
ya but 97% of us will never get close to a girl like that, so we go for the rest

>>18191893
face is most important but body is only slightly less so

>>18191889
In what way?

>>18191897

Right one is higher than the left. I mean very few people have a symmetric face but her eyes look like they're shopped on.

>>18191896
>but 97% of us will never get close to a girl like that
Just you & cuck company.

>>18191901
She is sideways you faggot.

>>18191902
if you think the most attractive girls will bother with anyone other than the most attractive guys you are wrong

>>18191893
>Is face really all that matters?
No.

Okay, this may come as a shock to you, but men are in fact humans, and as humans they have an enormous variety of tastes and preferences in women. That chick was posted to supposedly be the objective 10/10, but I'd consider her like a 6, max. Some dudes like blondes, some like brunettes, some like big tits, small tits, fat chicks, hairy chicks, there's even a large number of guys who literally prefer ugly women.

No matter what you look like, there are men who will find you attractive. They may not be the kind of man you *want*, but the point of this was to explain that "men" don't want any one thing. Some men don't even want women. Some dudes like other guys, or animals, or kids, or furries, or plants. Asking what men really want is dumb.

>>18190965

If all you can offer is looking good, then you'll need all the help you can get. Maybe work on a personality...

>>18191907
Yeah, looks doesn't have a lot to do with it. Some, to be sure, but not all. Confidence, tact, and money will do more for you than looking like chad thundercock. I'm probably a 6, a 7 max, but I've slept with more than a few high tier girls, because when you're loaded, brave, and willing to be honest, pussy is not hard to get.

>>18191907
Just have a 7/10 face, lift some weights, make some decent money, and you'll slay.

Given that you don't have autism ofc.

>>18191911
There are lots of 30 year old single women who have great personalities.

>>18191191


jesus christ don't ever have children

>>18191151
Same here i would love a tall girl. Shit im 6'6 and honestly would probably date a girl that's like 6'8 if shes hot. But ideally in the range of 5'10-6'3

>>18191907
As an 5'4" 270lb goblin who makes 300k a year I can promise you this is the opposite of the truth.

>>18191907
Just Chad yourself and everything will somehow work out in your favour.

>>18191926
This. Just once in my life I'd like to date a girl whose head reaches higher than my armpit.

>>18191927
Bruh let a nigga hold a couple dollas. I wanna get laid too.

>>18191914
>>18191916
>>18191927
> buy affection

ya being a 7/10 with a million dollars makes you >>7/10, are you guys dumb or what?

>>18191930
this is not possible

Do you folks know how I know that all these people posting about 5'10" and tallet girls, are in reality girls themselves?

>>18191917

Maybe they don't have such a good personality then.

But let's avoid blaming the victim for a second. Let's assume they are genuinely a nice person, with the average amount of bad personality traits (no one is perfect).

Maybe she is focusing on guys that don't appreciate that. Maybe she is nice but doesn't put herself out there enough. Maybe she has something in her life that turns people away (like having to take care of an old/ill family member. Some people don't want that responsibility).

Look out the window. Plenty of ugly girls have dates. It's not only about looking pretty, though it helps.

>>18191945
Dude, just let them have fun. 5'10 is pushing it though.

>tfw 6'4 and want sub 5'5 petite qt

>>18191931
What up zach

>>18191917
Yeah I fucking wonder how they walked through their 20s and ended up single.

>>18191959
Man I hate the gross manly fit bitches, but damn that titty jiggle got me.

>>18191939
It's not always buying affection. I'm quite wealthy, but I almost never spend much on a woman, it just makes her consider you where she'd otherwise ignore you. Wealth isn't *just* wealth, it also indicates that you're capable and driven enough to earn that money. Yeah, you still have baby billionaires who didn't earn it, but overall, being stacked indicates you're competent and persistent.

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>>18191959
There is literally nothing more powerful than a petite girl with big tits. It's the top. Literally the top. Assuming face is on point.

>>18191947
>lets avoid blaming the victim
>lists a bunch of things the "victim" could be doing wrong

Uh. Okay.

>Plenty of ugly girls have dates
I theorize that this is just dudes who are super thirsty. I've known plenty of ugly chicks who had awesome personalities, and I enjoyed hanging out with them, I loved having them as a friend, but I didn't want to fuck them. If someone doesn't turn you on, you shouldn't force yourself to put out just because you feel obligated to give them sex, and the vast majority of dudes aren't going to be attracted to ugly chicks.

>>18191977
ya i include that in 'buying affection'. doesnt matter if you spend anything on her, shes still only with you to try and get into that goldmine

women (in my experience) have no real concept of long term work and personal drive, so they arent impressed by the fact you 'earned' the money, just that you have it

>>18191954
If this is a joke I don't get it.

>>18191967
No one, that's literally the point.

>>18190965
You accept it and realise that your happiness is not in the hands of others.

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>>18191959
But i want only one thing

pic related

>>18191989
>ya i include that in 'buying affection'
So you're buying affection, but not spending anything. Okay kiddo, I don't know if anyone ever explained this to you, but when you get something for free, you aren't buying it.

Jokes and condescension aside,

>shes still only with you to try and get into that goldmine

You assume. You don't know.

I've had plenty of quick flings with a girl who I never bought anything for, made it clear from the beginning I wasn't going to date her, but they still wanted to fuck me. Because women are turned on by money and power. How do you not know this yet?

>women (in my experience) have no real concept of long term work and personal drive
Hang out with more rich and powerful women then, stupid. The girls getting their PhDs are going to be very different than the bitches you meet at a club.

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>>18191996
Muscles on women make them look like men. Just the way I see it.
But to each their own, idgaf what other people are into. I like my small Asian babes.

>>18192007
>make-up
>surgery
>Photoshop
I'll pass

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>>18192007
>Muscles on women make them look like men.
Not if they do it right.

>>18192007
Never date an asian woman unless she was raised in the west.

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>>18192023
You're absolutely right

>>18191987

Yeah, my mistake. I should have said "let's assume they are not delusional". Nevertheless, you are the superficial one here. If an ugly girl has s guy it's because he is thirsty? That's the only option?

And no one should be forced to have sex, obviously. But real people get turned on even if their partner isn't a model. Again, if only looks make for good sex in your mind, then you are being superficial.

It's entirely possible that a nice person has really bad luck and never finds someone that actually gives them a shot. But if that was as common as people complaining about then, then those people should realistically cross each other.

My examples "blame the victim" because there are nice people out there. But you turn them down by being superficial.

>>18192036
Gotta love the modern social climate where only wanting to have sex with people who you find attractive is considered superficial and inhuman.

Remember that to someone else, you are a beautiful role model who they REALLY look up to. :)

>>18192043
She looks like a poor man's lindsey pellas.

>>18192007
Hum, >>>/s/17388501 ,yeah, totally like men.

>>18192049
^^ u r cool

>>18192061
not him, but i took your comment for myself, so thanks

>>18192036
Seriously dude? I want to tell you to fuck off, but I'm legitimately not sure I get your point, because it seems too ridiculous to be correct.

So are you literally saying to me right now that unless you pull out the dick for ugly girls with good personalities, you're superficial? You're legitimately telling me that the physical and sexual component of a relationship should have no bearing on your choice of partners? Or am I just fucking this up somehow?

>>18192047

No, the point is that the girls posted here are not average. If you need that to get off, then I see a very sexless future for you.

>>18192070

So "not a model" = "ugly" to you? Do you realize overproduced and photoshopped girls from internet pictures don't look like that all the time?

>>18192077
>You can't strive for the best, settle for the middle of the road, average life of grey apathy.
>You're a vapid inhuman if you don't fuck fat ugly chicks.

Okay, on a scale of 1 to Bernie Sanders, how liberal are you?

>>18192006
ya if you want a girl for any amount of time and theyre with you for your money you have to pay up eventually

so if i want to find an attractive girl for a long term relationship, i have to get a load of money and then spend it on her to keep her there

you know what im saying but your being obtuse and trying to avoid answering it properly, i wonder why lol

>>18192084
>So "not a model" = "ugly" to you?
No. Ugly means ugly to me. We're talking about ugly chicks, and we've been talking about ugly chicks. Don't try to move the goal posts to defend your point.

>>18191906

Ok you obviously don't see it - that's fine. Her eyes couldn't be more fucking wonky though.

>>18192085

So "pretty" = "best" for you? And what is pretty? The girls in this thread?

Are you a model, too? Or do you tell youself you are alone because you want to instead of because you have unrealistic standards?

>>18192087
>you know what im saying but your being obtuse
Actually this applies pretty well to you right now. You already made up your mind, and you're just repeating your opinion as fact. No. You don't have to "pay up" if you're with a girl long term. No. You don't have to load up on money to get a hot girl. No. Not all girls who fuck rich guys are gold diggers.

Do you genuinely believe this shit or are you just fucking around? Because I don't know if you realize this, but rich men aren't in fact just a giant wallet with legs and a dick. They have personalities, dreams, thoughts and observations, bodies, habits, fetishes. They're humans. People. People like people. People like to fuck people. Am I breaking this down into simple enough context for you? Because I can get simpler. Maybe draw some pictures.

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>>18192023
mmm manish stomach in my eyes. Again, to each their own. You can find whatever attractive idc.
>>18192057
Dem huge fucking thighs. Gross lol, no thanks. But see the above. To each their own.

>>18192090

Here's the thing, how ugly are all the guys and girls bitching on this board? They go to the gym abd feel bad, they see the pics shared here and feel bad.

But that's not ugly. They are not ugly. People just let themselves be suckered by ads and shit.

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Really? We're just gonna sit here and pretend like THIS isn't what every man on planet earth literally craves 24/7?

I thought we were friends.

>>18192098
> haha you dont have to be attractive to get an attractive girl, just have loads of money then girls will like you
> you know money isnt actually important

decide what youre position is for a start lol

>>18192100
I linked to the whole thread, and I didn't complain about your taste, I just said that fit doesn't necessarily implies manly.
Personally,I like both, the cute and thick alike, the small and the big breasted. I believe in beauty, the rest is just details.

>>18192095
Okay, first things first if you want to skip all the snark and go to the sincerity, just skip to the very last paragraph.

Anyway,

Man, you are *super* big on assumptions.

>So "pretty" = "best" for you?
No.

>And what is pretty?
If we're talking my own purely physical preferences, I tend to like blondes with large breasts, good hips and ass, but in shape and fit. Not a muscle girl or anything, just strong, healthy. Often times when I look at super petite girls the first thought that pops into my mind is, "If someone kicked her I think she'd probably die," which puts a dampener on small girls for me.

>The girls in this thread?
Some are. Some aren't. It varies.

>Are you a model, too?
Technically yes, but not professionally, and I'm not super good looking if that's what you're trying to imply.

>Or do you tell youself you are alone because you want to instead of because you have unrealistic standards?
There are several things to break down here.

>you are alone
No.

>you tell yourself you're alone because-
No.

>you lie to yourself about wanting to be along
I don't want to be alone, so again,
No.

>You have unrealistic standards.

And finally, the most important, probably most productive part of all this,

NO

My standards are not unrealistic. Attractive women exist! There are a lot of them, and it's entirely possible to date them. Do I *only* look at attractiveness? No, hell no, I've ignored and even turned down plenty of vapid bitches who looked fantastic. Personality is enormously important, maybe the most important thing about a person, but here's the catch: lots of pretty women have great personalities too. The stereotype of the stupid, vapid cunt applies to very few pretty girls in my experience. So, if I meet too women, both of whom are emotionally strong, witty, well educated, all the shit I fall for, but one of them is a 9/10 and the other is a 4, why is it wrong for me to pick the prettier woman?

>>18191000
I feel the same way when I look at 80% of other guys. It's all about settling someone who will settle for you.

The people who don't look that good are probably at home moping like you are right now. Adapt or die, and have fun.

>>18192116
Ew

Fuckin too many stereotype thinkers and children on this site. It's a major turnoff.

>>18190965
>they don't look at all.

That's because "stare-rape"or whatever tumblr bitches call it these days.

The old addage of "you can look but you can't touch" has been scrapped in lieu of yet another chance to shame men for showing signs of attraction.
(all the while these cunts talk about how men need to be more expressive about how they feel... fucking hypocrites).

>There are literally better looking girls everwhere.
There's always a bigger fish, isn't any changing that.

There's also someone with the right bait who doesn't plan on putting the biggest fish back, and would rather devour it whole.

You're invisible, congratz, you're less of a target. There is a bright side to everything. Try to focus on that.

>Sure they might smile like once,
Pretty much the most we can do these days. Won't be long before that's a trip to HR as well though.

> I'll never have a 9/10+ face.
8 out of 10 people don't. You're still better than average as long as you're a 5+.

> I'll never have big breasts.
ass > tits anyway.

> My other physical imperfections will never be fixed unless I drop thousands upon thousands of $$ on surgery.
The best woman I ever met had some really blotchy skin and ever wore make-up.
If she weren't married and I had the courage, I'd ask her out without a second of hesitation.

>I want to feel beautiful and be admired like other women.
I want to be a billionaire that finds a girl that likes me for me, not the social status that I'd come with without ever feeling a need to question her motives despite all I'd have to lose. I'd want an endless supply of burgers that don't make me fat and cigarettes that make me immortal.

Life isn't about what you want, it's about what you get. Learn to play with a shit hand or fold.

>>18192105
>Here's the thing, how ugly are all the guys and girls bitching on this board?
Statistically speaking? They're probably average. You know, because your average person looks like the average person.

>They go to the gym abd feel bad
Speak for yourself, I feel great at the gym.

>they see the pics shared here and feel bad
Again, speak for yourself, I see these pictures and enjoy looking at attractive people.

>But that's not ugly.
Right! Ugly is ugly.

>They are not ugly.
Some of them are.

>People just let themselves be suckered by ads and shit.
SOME people. Jesus christ, do you not understand how aspiration works? Ambition? If I see a super ripped dude on an add for protien powder or something, and it really gets to me, I just work harder at my next workout. If I see a super hot girl online, I just enjoy the fact that she looks good, and proceed on with my day unaffected.

I think the issue here is with your own insecurity, don't push that off on everyone else. Not everyone needs to hide from the world because they can't stand to see other people doing better than them.

>>18192123
>every time a dumbass reduces something complicated into a simple discouraging saying because he/she is weak
well cum to 4chin

>>18192130
Don't be jell girlfriend

>>18192130
Don't be jealous.

>>18192119
You're not reading what I'm saying.

Please point out the part where I say money isn't important. Because I pretty clearly, explicitly state that it is. What I'm saying is that money makes girls consider you seriously, where otherwise they might not give you a chance.

If it makes it easier to understand, think of money as being the icebreaker, not the substantive part of the relationship.

>>18192116
I'd fuck her, but would not be my first choice.

>>18192142
You're a guy ffs

>>18192116
She looks pretty good, a definite seven, but don't try to pretend she's an objective 10. There's no such thing as the objective 10.

>>18192142
Because of the face right? I was lazy in my pick.

How do you actually know how good looking you are?

I get the regular "durr handsome boy" from my mom and her friends, but I never really talk to women.

>>18192149
>How do you actually know how good looking you are?
It really, really doesn't matter.

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>>18192146
Ever been to Norway m8? I'm going again this summer.

>>18192122

Look who's making assumptions now. I never said looks and personality were inversely proportional. O never dissed "vapid bitches". I didn't even imply that, and if I did, please, point it out.

Just go to the OP and you can see my point.

>Even if I become reasonably fit, I'll never have a 9/10+ face.

Well, is that so bad? Is a 7-8 face really a death sentence for your sex life?

That's my point. It's not that only 9s and 10s get laid. That's the basic flaw on this line of thinking. For this thread you are either a 9 or a fat ugly monster. There's no middle point.

>>18192159
Yes actually, went back in 2005 on vacation with some friends. Lovely place. Didn't make me like blondes any more.

It comes down to "some people got it and some people don't". That's the way of this world. I'm a fat ugly boring nerd and I sure as shit don't want an ugly fat boring girlfriend. So, for people like me, the best we're going to do is strippers and whores. Either make the best of your situation or find a way to change it. I'm not willing to go through the incredible amount of work to change myself so I'm making the best of what I have. I suggest you do the same, OP

>>18192149
Easiest way to tell is by how attractive your previous girlfriends are on average. People tend to couple with others who are similarly attractive.

>>18192160
The crux of that whole argument was my last point, the question you ignored.

If I have two girls who are into me, and both have great personalities, why is it wrong for me to pick the 9?

Or hell, change it from ugly to like a 7 versus a 10. Why is it wrong to pick the more attractive woman? This whole discussion boils down to this, "Why is it wrong to pick the best when you have lots of options?"

>>18192136
>I think the issue here is with your own insecurity, don't push that off on everyone else

Read this:

>>18190965

Saying you'll never have a "9-10 face" is literally what I'm talking about. For OP (and other people in this thread) anything less than this: >>18192116 is ugly.

So, no, it's not as simple as

>Ugly is ugly.

For plenty of people, average is ugly. Mainly for themselves. I'm glad ads don't make you feel bad, but read this thread of others on this board that pop up everyday and then tell me everyone feels like you.

>>18192159
I think visiting Norway is the ultimate test to figure out if you're gay.

Kek, like this guy. >>18192161

>>18192166
This is retarded advice. I know a lot of guys who look great and date shitgremlins, but I'm a 4/10 max, and I've dated plenty of attractive women. Looks don't mean that much to women, especially once they're past 20.

>>18192166
Dude take it easy, I've never in my life been friendly with any girls. It just never came from it.

>>18192116

Not really into white girls to be honest.

>>18192139
>>18192140
Nice argument tactics are you twelve? I'm gonna go. I have an appointment and not the time to sit here jerking off with tears. Male btw, stupid cunts.

>>18192172
>Saying you'll never have a "9-10 face" is literally what I'm talking about.
Which is something I've never said.

>For OP (and other people in this thread) anything less than this: >>18192116 is ugly.
Which is 100% irrelivent, because I haven't said anything about it.

>For plenty of people, average is ugly.
Great, but not me.

Okay, so now that we've carefully covered what everyone else thinks, do you want to maybe address what *I* said? Maybe? That entire post was a non sequitur.

>>18192182
I'm not them but you even type like a girl.

>>18192173
>Kek, like this guy.
Or you just don't like that type of woman. Seriously, this concept isn't difficult. Not all men go for the aryan, nordic girl. Some dudes like brunettes, redheads, black chicks, indians, slavs, etc. Your one true waifu race isn't the objective best.

>>18192170
>"Why is it wrong to pick the best when you have lots of options?"

It's not wrong. I never said it was. Again, if I ever made the points you argue against, please show me.

But to answer your most important question: It's not wrong.

I did say being superficial is bad, that's true. But it was always about putting people in two boxes "9-10" or "ugly".

>>18192189
Good

>>18192182
No dog in your fight, but you really, really sound like a teenaged girl.

>not all men, everybody

>>18192184

Ok, we have established what everyone else is talking about. That's where I got mixed up:

>We're talking about ugly chicks, and we've been talking about ugly chicks.

No, we are not. You are talking about "ugly" as in Quasimodo when the rest of the board is not. That's why I got your post wrong. Sorry, but it was an honest mistake. You were the one talking about something else.

>>18192196
>I never said it was.
You strongly implied it, because you explicitly said that using looks as a significant factor to decide whether or not you fuck someone is superficial and inhuman.

>Again, if I ever made the points you argue against
Ok, see

>>18192036
>Nevertheless, you are the superficial one here
>Again, if only looks make for good sex in your mind, then you are being superficial.
>But real people get turned on even if their partner isn't a model
>But it was always about putting people in two boxes "9-10" or "ugly".
Specifically when did I say that?

>>18192189
kek

>>18192198
there's not a fight going on for me. I occasionally drop adult concepts and perspective for you moping little babies, but you philosophical retards just want to paint the whole world that nasty pink /r9k/ color and pretend to have knowledge.

not everyone likes that stupid thottie you tear-jerkers just posted, and anybody who didn't see life reflected off a funhouse mirror knows that.

Male enough?

>>18192212
Okay, please believe that when I ask this question I don't mean it as an insult or condescension. This is offered sincerely:

Are you new here?

Because I've *never* had the problem of someone confusing what the rest of the board is saying with what I'm saying. Even if you do get super off topic, that doesn't mean anything on most boards. Maybe it's different here on /adv/, but it's a really weird thing to say.

>>18192177
I've never met a heterosexual guy not being into white women.

t.sandnigger who lived 15 years in the US 3 in Dubai, 4 in the UK and is now back again.

Good for you I guess.

>>18192214

>because you explicitly said that using looks as a significant factor

I said "if ONLY looks make for good sex". You quoted me, so I don't know how you misread that.

Have you never had a less than pretty girl be awesome in bed? Have you never dated someone and even though you know they won't win any beauty pageants they can still get you horny?

>>18192216
>paint the whole world that nasty pink /r9k/ color

It looks good I don't know what you're talking about.

>you philosophical retards
coming from the man that was foolish enough to;
>occasionally drop adult concepts and perspective for you
on 4chan.

When in Rome, mate...

>not everyone likes that stupid thottie you tear-jerkers just posted, and anybody who didn't see life reflected off a funhouse mirror knows that.

Agree with the concept, but not the delivery.

>Male enough?
absolutely not, despite the fact I agree with your point.

You definitely sound like a jealous woman. Not saying it's true, just saying how it's coming off.

Stop letting these people get to you. It's just randoms on the internet anyway. Their opinion doesn't mean shit.

>>18192216
>obviousb8.jpg

>>18192141
and i quote

> You don't have to load up on money to get a hot girl

so heres the thing, lets say i attract a girl because ive got money. women are not attracted to the concept of money, they are attracted to the actual usage of money as a tool for acquiring resources. a women is attracted to you because of your money wants to have your money spent on her. why the fuck would a girl suddenly go from gold digger to taoist monk?

or just explain to me, why in a relationship predicated on money that money suddenly loses all importance? oh wow youre really rich, therefore we connect on a personal level irregardless of the wealth

>>18192220
>t.sandnigger

Well that's why...

> 4 in the UK
Well by now you should just know better.

t.white brit.

I'd literally sooner take my chances with one of your ninja dressed women and hope it's all good under there.

>>18192226
>Have you never had a less than pretty girl be awesome in bed? Have you never dated someone and even though you know they won't win any beauty pageants they can still get you horny?
Yes, both. You're really grinding on this "stop hating girls who aren't 10's" thing, which is weird, because I've still yet to say that I have anything against less attractive women.

My statements thus far include:

>I won't bang an ugly chick because I doubt I could even get aroused.
>If given the choice between attractive women with great personalities and ugly women with great personalities, I would always choose the more attractive one.

Which of these do you actually take issue with here? Because your arguments thus far seem to be based entirely in your own assumptions about me, not what I've actually said.

>If he always dates hot chicks he must be superficial.
>If he says ugly chick he means an average chick.

>>18192218

Mmmm... you are the one that accused me of "not getting it" first.

I made this comment to start: >>18191911

When did you jump in and redefine what "ugly" was? I mean, so I knew we weren't going by what the rest of the thread was saying, of course.

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Disregard all the cucks ITT, OP.

THIS, is what all men across the board, wants.

Yes, even homos.

>>18192249
>it's super effective
Well I can't study now.

>>18190965
You'll make it at some point, don't give up.

>>18192245
>If he says ugly chick he means an average chick.

God, I'm having the same conversation with another dude. This whole thread is saying "average" = "ugly". Look at the pictures and read the OP.

Just my luck to have the only two dudes that don't think that reply to me, but sorry if I misunderstand you, then.

>I won't bang an ugly chick because I doubt I could even get aroused.

This is still superficial, though. How ugly does she have to be to stop your boner? Again, OP was comparing herself to "9-10 faces". My original point (I don't know where you jumped in) was: >>18191911

When did you get in the conversation?

>>18192249
>Yes, even homos
I'm not saying you're right.


But I'm not saying you're wrong either.

>>18192231
>and i quote
>> You don't have to load up on money to get a hot girl
You don't. You just don't. Please point out where I ever said that you MUST be loaded to get a hot girl. I said it helps. It helps to be 7 feet tall if you want to play basketball, but if you aren't, you can still get good, you just have to work a little harder.

>women are not attracted to the concept of money
He said, once again throwing out an assumption as a fact.

No. If a woman has to choose between a really hot guy, and a really hot guy with a nice watch and a suit, 90% of women are choosing the latter, even for a 1 night stand, because most women are turned on by wealth and power. It just makes their pussy wet. They like it. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

>they are attracted to the actual usage of money as a tool for acquiring resources
They find the idea of being wealthy appealing, but that's not what's making them excited when you go to bed, it's the fact that they're fucking a wealthy and powerful man.

>a women is attracted to you because of your money wants to have your money spent on her
Generally true, but not always, and many women will still fuck you and quite happily date you even if you aren't spending money on them.


>or just explain to me, why in a relationship predicated on money that money suddenly loses all importance? oh wow youre really rich, therefore we connect on a personal level irregardless of the wealth
You keep focusing on wealthy as a substantive part of the relationship. Think of the wealth as a lure, not the hook. Can you hook a girl just with cash, sure, but you can get a girl's attention by showing off wealth, then just fuck her once, or date her without ever spending a lot of money on her, I speak from experience. It's a flashy item to catch their eye and a potential backup if all else fails. Nothing more, nothing less.

>>18192228
>you sound like a jealous woman
when in rome

>their opinion doesn't mean shit
It's cancer. It's a toxic meme that perpetuates "mental illness," disordered personalities and reduced productivity. Don't try to sell me that it's art or something either, people crying into their own laps about versions of problems so distorted that they no longer reflect reality.

Everything a defeatest starts is doomed to fail. Everyone in the aftermath has to pick up the pieces. If they got the men they wanted they'd ruin it with their smashed perspectives and delusional views.

I was like that in high school and I have a friend who is still like that. It hurts to see people living in delusion.

>>18192230
again I hope you're not an adult

>>18192249
That's a nice ass

>>18192247
I didn't redefine it. Ugly means ugly. It's a word with a specific definition. Look it up. Also, you shouldn't assume that everyone else here things average girls look ugly just because they're posting attractive women. I'm not sure why you even came to that conclusion.

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>>18192249
And this as a hedge for those ''not all men'' faggots.

We're pretty much set at this point.

>>18190978
Breast shape is more important than size desu. Are they round and perky?

>>18192267

>>18192249
>>18192116

These are just the first two I've found.

>>18192255
>This whole thread is saying "average" = "ugly".
Not really. Guys posting attractive women doesn't mean they think average girls are ugly. They're posting ideals, not what they'd take at a minimum.

>This is still superficial, though.
Okay. So let's get this straight. Unless you get hard for women you don't find attractive, you are superficial.

Is that seriously what you're trying to say here?

>How ugly does she have to be to stop your boner?
Ugly. Like 3/10 or lower. Do you understand what that word means?

>Again, OP was comparing herself to "9-10 faces".
Who gives a flying fuck what OP and the rest of the people in the thread were saying? That's not how *anything* works. This is 4chan, not a formal debate hall with specific topics and terminology addendums. Look at what I am saying when you're arguing with me. If you want to argue with everyone else, talk to them.

>>18191000
Seems like you're incapable of understanding actual human connection. You likely only view people in regards to their usefulness to you and how well they rank in certain qualities, so you project this mindset onto men.

>>18192285
Okay, so one dude who's obviously and blatantly trolling

>EVEN GAY MEN LIKE MY SUBJECTIVE TASTES AND AGREE THEY"RE OBJECTIVELY BEST

This is one person, and not to be taken seriously.

>>18190965
>>18190978
>>18191876
>>18191985
>>18192116
>>18192159
>>18192249
>>18192278
Sooooooooooooo..........

How do I get a gf like any of these?

>>18192287

>Look at what I am saying when you're arguing with me. If you want to argue with everyone else, talk to them.

Sorry, you are the one that wanted to argue with me. You replied to me first. Again, when did you jump in? So I can get a better framework of what you thought I was saying.

What you need to do, OP, is realize men are complete and utter shit, and start to hate them. Looks at this thread- "We're really easy to please!" Say men, "Just be skinny and nice!"

But lets look at some facts.

>https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/obesity-overweight.htm
>Percent of adults age 20 years and over with overweight, including obesity: 70.7%

Most people in the US are fat. Even if you don't live in the US, the world as a whole is getting fatter and moving towards US levels.

>http://www.healthdata.org/news-release/vast-majority-american-adults-are-overweight-or-obese-and-weight-growing-problem-among
>Nearly three-quarters(75%) of American men and more than 60% of women are obese or overweight
>http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/adult-overweightobesity-rate-by-gender/?currentTimeframe=0
>Male: 70% overweight or obese
>Female: 58% overweight or obese

Hmm, so men are fatter than women by quite a bit, but they demand that women be skinny How is that not fucking bullshit? Why do they pretend like being skinny- and keep in mind when I say skinny I mean skinny, men consider average weight women to be fat- is so easy when the majority of people aren't? How is demanding a skinny women in any way reasonable? It's not. Men are fat ass losers making unreasonable demands about weight while being fat ass losers. .

>>18192257
ya no shit theyre going to choose the rich guy, BECAUSE THEY ARE CHANCING AT GETTING SOME. if women appreciated conceptual hard work theyd be fucking strip miners and underwater welders, not bankers and the like. they like being with guys with money because if they get with them it might mean they get the money too. no one is going, yeah im going to fuck this guy so i can say i slept with a fortune 500 executive put that in my fkn scrapbook, they do it cos they WANT THE MONEY LOL you are so dumb

ya its a lure or a crutch or a trick or whatever you want to call it to 'hide' the fact your ugly, or at least offset it. so what happens when that lure goes away? no reason to stick around so the girl goes too

>>18192287
Yeah but what crack are you smoking to think that everyone has the same beauty standard? Are you an idiot, or just distorted? And again, what is your age? What's your life experience?

>>18192310

>https://theblog.okcupid.com/your-looks-and-your-inbox-8715c0f1561e
>2/3 of male messages go to the top 1/3 of women

The number one thing men go for is looks. They can wax poetic about "Oh, I really care about personality!", but like nearly everything that comes out of their mouth that's a lie. Looks are all that matter. Now, why is this? It's because men are simply not capable of love, at least not true love. They only feel lust and jealously. They cannot emotional or mentally connect with women, or with each other. They're broken. When you look for love from men, you're looking for something they will never give, they are incapable of giving. The sooner you accept this, the better off you'll be.

>https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-sports-mind/201507/when-men-arent-good-looking-they-think
>this is consistent with previous research showing that men tend to overestimate their own level of attractiveness while women don’t.

On top of what I said before, the disgusting assholes overestimate their own looks. They're an obese 4/10 bitching about how ugly and nasty overweight 4/10 women are and whining when the 8/10s won't look their way- and they're so pathetic they don't even know it. They literally live in a fantasy world.

The father you go in the thread the more the truth comes out. "Be skinny and fun, but also do you nails and hair and cook for me and always be willing to have sex when I want it." When has a man ever spent the time and money on his nails? When has a man ever learned to cook and had it waiting for you? Is putting all your time and money and doing things don't want to do just so you can "look like you "take care of yourself" when men don't reciprocate in ANY way really a life you want to live? And if so, why?

>>18192295
Paying them around $10k a month oughta do it for you.

>>18192293

OP also feels bad for not being a 9-10. So the troll is not the only one with the mindset. I was replying to her.

When did you join? I'm curious now as to what I said that made you so interested in me.

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>>18192295
you're not helping op at all with this

>>18192320

The truth is men are entitled, spoiled, delusional children who are not worth the fucking hassle. They have unrealistic and high demands, despite not even putting a fraction of the work they demand from you and me into themselves. And this isn't even going into how fucking lazy and useless they are when to comes to things like household labor and child rearing.

Luckily as a women we are in a very good position, because we can live pretty normal lives without men. We can get jobs, make friend with other women, and most importantly we can have kids. Men will rightfully die alone, with nothing of value added to this earth. You and me can die surrounded by out daughters, having lived a full life.

>>18192295
Be an interesting, charismatic person with the courage to ask her out, the tact to pull it off, and the patient and initiative to keep her interested.

>>18192300
Here: >>18192085 Came for the condescension, stayed for the conversation.

>>18192295
be born as attractive as they are

>>18192320
> cites okcupid
> conveniently doesnt mention the fact they found that women rated 80% of men as below average (unworthy)

women say that only 20% of men are decent to them, but thats ok because :)

>>18192310
>all men are the men in this thread
>the opinions of men do not include the opinions stated by men in this thread who explicitly disagree with the "just be nice and skinny" idea.

>>18192295
if you dont have one by one it means you shouldnt and couldn't and will never do

>>18192317
it has nothing to do with that, you can't negotiate attractiveness. Having money as a man is like having a pretty face as a girl, mostly through the secondary effects like higher social status, more confidence, better ability to provide, eating healthier. This has nothing to do with women being evil

>>18192310
Wow a feminazi do you realize you can never have a loving relationship within your stupid "mentally ill" ideology? Are you really this pathetically bitter that you don't have a prince charming? What a spoiled cunt. God forbid people these days had to self-improve instead of whine. No wonder like 60% of people are overweight.

And stop pretending that random ass statstics support your hatred, while you spin something that only children and idiots would mistake for a reasonable ideology. You're no better than a white supremacist. You should instead slap yourself.

>>18192331

>conveniently doesnt mention the fact they found that women rated 80% of men as below average (unworthy)

Because men face no consequences from this. Despite being ugly fatasses, women still give them a chance. Men don't extend this courtesy to women, because again, you are broken "people" incapable of love or connection.

>>18192328

Ok, then it was clear that my point was about comparing girls (even oneself as OP does) to the girls in the pictures. Don't act now like my point was clear. I was always talking about that comparison. You are the one using the word "best" in relation to the girls in the pictures.

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>>18192317
Okay, at this point you're either a troll or so incredibly stupid you aren't worth talking to. Personally, I'm leaning towards troll, because even stupid people usually don't type out the textual equivilent of ebonics, and use "lol" unironically.

You aren't actually considering any of my points, you aren't actually interested in talking, you just want to throw out insults and opinions. We're done.

>>18192338

>Wow a feminazi do you realize you can never have a loving relationship within your stupid "mentally ill" ideology

Lol I'm a lesbian-by-choice bisexual, I'm currently in a fantastic relationship with another women.

> What a spoiled cunt

Yes, your gender is.

>God forbid people these days had to self-improve instead of whine. No wonder like 60% of people are overweight.

It's men who have problems with whining instead of self-improving.

>random ass statstics

You're a literal fucking moron.

>>18192318
Nope, that's not how this works, you want me to answer your questions, you have to answer mine. So, once again,

>>This is still superficial, though.
>Okay. So let's get this straight. Unless you get hard for women you don't find attractive, you are superficial.
>Is that seriously what you're trying to say here?

>>18192320
It's nice to hear the other side of the story. We men deduced from the okcupid blog post similiar things about women, but with greater severity.
The attractiveness of women rated on the site is almost a perfect bellcurve, so an average girl will be a 5/10. But an average man will be a 3/5 if rated by women.

>Be skinny and fun, but also do you nails and hair and cook for me and always be willing to have sex when I want it.

Even though it might sound pretentious, I think women can learn from this. If you adopt part of this what you deem worth, you can get a higher quality man, one who " spent the time and money on his nails? When has a man ever learned to cook and had it waiting for you" Just as we men can learn from this sentence.
Invest the work, then you don't have to settle

>>18192349
What the fuck does this have to do with ebonics, hate-spewer? receed into your hole.

Im not the person you were replying to
Slap yourself and count to 20. Read a book that has nothing to do with ideology or hatred and come back when you've learned something.

A person in the hood would do so much better with what you've been given, degen, so start speaking ebonics.

>>18192323
>So the troll is not the only one with the mindset.
The troll doesn't have that mindset, that's literally the point. Do you understand what a troll is?

>one troll and one person's insecurity mean that most people consider average ugly
Okay. Cool. So you have a sample size of 2, and you're passing judgement on all of humanity. That's delightfully biblical of you.

How come no one ever asks what women wants?

>>18192356

That Anon is not me. The quotes you made are mine. I replied to you on the other comment, and we kept going until you didn't reply to this one: >>18192347

>>18192352
>im a lesbian
>i hate your gender
>i hate men
>you're retarded

Okay. Enjoy being an unlovable personality. College trash I presume.

>>18192347
>Ok, then it was clear that my point was about comparing girls (even oneself as OP does) to the girls in the pictures.
Great, cool. Also, welcome to 4chan. Okay, this might shock you, but what you said in previous posts means NOTHING unless you're tripfagging, and even then it means very little. Now, if I'd made points addressing those earlier arguments specifically, then you could appeal to those posts. But I didn't. So you shouldn't.

>You are the one using the word "best" in relation to the girls in the pictures.
When?

>>18192366
>RogerSterling.jpg

>>18192361

>But an average man will be a 3/5 if rated by women.

As I mentioned before, despite this women still give you a chance. We rate you as lesser, but we message you are bell curve rates. Because we're human, and not complete assholes, and are capable of love and aren't lying when we say that's what we're seeking.

>Invest the work, then you don't have to settle

But women will always have to settle, because men simply don't put in nearly the amount of work women do.

>>18192159
how's the prost/tinder situation in Norway?
(or sweden/finland/denmark for that matter)

>>18192364

I also spend plenty of time on this board. I learned the word "manlet" here and I'm already tired of reading it.

What was your point when replying to me? When did you do it? What did I say that made you want to reply?

>>18192343
This is so funny. Go to /r9k/, these man think the exact same opinion of women like you have on men and they are miserable because of it.
I think you are really underestimating how hard below average males (not looks, I mean social status and such) have it. Unless a women is truly ugly, she can still easily get sex, but not men.
That said, I think the really ugly women have it the worst, because they can't even work on themselves get rich or interesting to get a "chance" from men like you described it.

>>18192363
>What the fuck does this have to do with ebonics, hate-spewer?
It has to do with ebonics because the way he was typing was reminiscent of ebonics.

Mentioning that ebonics exist does not make you a biggot. Or if it does, then allow me to announce my membership in the KKK by saying the following words: white, black, slavery, lynch, and plantation.

And now, to totally destroy your entire premise, I'M A BLACK GUY FROM SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS YOU STUPID FUCK.

>>18192374

>I have no argument the post.

Typical male anger over reality though. "Wait, science shows how shit my gender is? NOOOOO, NO, YOU'RE THE SHIT GENDER, I SAY SO!". Totally incapable of admitting wrong or introspection.

>>18192343
>Despite being ugly fatasses, women still give them a chance.

/r9k/ here, tell me when a woman ever gave me a fucking chance?

>>18192375
>You are the one using the word "best" in relation to the girls in the pictures.
>When?

Here: >>18192085. Comment outright mentions the pictures, and you replied.

>>18192349
> gets proven wrong
> "im not playing anymore!"

insults come for free when youre a dumbell

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All I know is that the best way to help people find love and relationships with the opposite sex is to constantly make both sides feel as if the other side is a horrible, vitriolic monster party that isn't really even truly human.

Really makes things go smoothly. If you're constantly on the defensive and assume the people you are trying to form relationships with are subhumans with only evil in their hearts and minds just waiting to be directed into you, it's only a matter of time before you succeed!

>>18192385
Only 4/10 and below use tinder in Norway. So an American 8/10 and under.

It's looked down upon.

>>18192336
exactly, so buying off a woman is the best thing you can do as an ugly guy. thats psychotic, what a wonderful relationship

>>18192401
Not even mad, your women are beautiful.

>>18192401
dude I just wanna go there and get laid. I'm italian, I heard they have a thing for us wops.
help me out
also
>implying I wouldnt settle for a norwegian 4

>>18192386
Why are you so obsessed with when people entered the conversation? I've seen a couple other posts do the same thing, and I'm assuming that's you too.

Also,

>I learned the word "manlet" here and I'm already tired of reading it.

That plus the above makes me think you aren't really up on how 4chan works. Maybe I'm wrong here, but your words thus far really scream "I'M NEW HERE."

So, to make things clear: this is 4chan. Half the people here are hostile. 3/4ths of the people here are often insincere. ALL of the people here tell lies and exaggerate sometimes. It might do you some good to hit up /b/, /pol/, or /r9k/, they give a pretty clear and extreme explanation of how the site's general attitude is. This isn't a place for careful, ordered conversation, this isn't a place for formal debate, it's an internet image board that literally only exists because of its infamous lack of order.

>>18192389

>Go to /r9k/, these man think the exact same opinion of women like you have on men and they are miserable because of it

The difference is /r9k/ and men in general have literally nothing to back up their claims or whining.

>I think you are really underestimating how hard below average males (not looks, I mean social status and such) have it

I'm not underestimating, they literally havenothing to complain about. They DO complain, of course, but their complaints aren't valid and just highlight how entitled they are

>Unless a women is truly ugly, she can still easily get sex, but not men.

And here it is. Tell me, what does easily getting sex DO for women? Nothing. In fact, it's a negative, because when we do, we're harassed for being sluts.

>That said, I think the really ugly women have it the worst, because they can't even work on themselves get rich or interesting to get a "chance" from men like you described it.

Not with men.

>>18192395

Probably the on-your-level 4/10 chubby girl you sneered at and called a fat ass when she smiled at you that one time, you snot-nosed ingrate.

>>18192397
No. It doesn't. It mentions the best. It doesn't mention any of the following: this thread, women, the women in this thread, or gorgeous girls in general. It says the best, which was deliberately vague.

Assume some more, it makes this conversations more fun and infinitely less productive.

>>18192401
>So an American 8/10
I'll get you.

>>18192401
a-at least we have the best military.

>>18192392
Self racism thats a first *cough*

>>18192394
You didn't give me anything to argue against. You just shared that you're feminazi college trash. Have a good day.

And I actually can't believe that you think saying "waaa I hate men" is a point worth arguing. Typical irrational woman.

>>18192400

The thing is science backs up how terrible men are. I mean, fuck, 90% of murders are men. It's like if you had two people and a body, and one said "That person wants me to give him my wallet, and if he doesn't he'll stab me like he stabbed liek hsi did that other person" and the murder says "YEAH WELL that person won't give me their wallet even though I'm asking nicely SO THEY'RE JUST AS BAD". No, it's doesn't work that way, one is clearly worse than the other.

>>18192410

And I don't wanna ruin your fun. I ask where you jumped in because I didn't come to you to mess with you. You came to me.

If nothing we say matters, then stop replying. I didn't even engaged you, right? I wasn't the one telling you your sample size is too small, was I?

I'm treating you just like you treat me. We are both proving a point. You can walk away. I'm fine with that. I won't keep replying to your comments after you leave.

But don't act like I don't get 4chan. You are as much into this as I am. What does that say about you, then?

>>18192427
Thats a good meemay whats ur level of education

>>18192430
>Self racism thats a first *cough*
You've yet to establish that there's any racism in the first place.

>>18192415

No one's on my level bitch, get on it.

That cunt would be calling me a "creep" for having the audacity to exist, so why don't you take your purple haired lesbo jewed ass back to tumblr, you aren't going to get your beloved echo chamber here.

>>18192440
Are you implying that the US military isn't the best in the world? Are you some kind of swiss fag?

>>18192430

No, I presented an argument(That men are trash) and presented supporting points(Men are fat but demand skinny women, men are ugly but demand pretty, etc.) and evidence(The "random" statics I looked up) to prove it.

But hey, keep being a typical lazy whiny male.

>>18192431
>The thing is science backs up how terrible men are. I mean, fuck, 90% of murders are men.

Doesn't cover murder by proxy. Say, if you get the government to bleed someone dry and harrass them to the point of suicide.

If it did, well then we'd see entirely different statistics.

Just because you don't do the deed yourself, it doesn't make it okay. That's why hiring hitmen is illegal.

>>18192392
>I'm a Black Guy from south minneapolis

Get out of Minnesota you Twin Cities cucks, you and duluth are fucking faggot farms that singlehandedly fuck this state in the ass over and over.

>>18192417

But I did mention the pictures. If your comment has nothing to do with mine, then why did you reply to me?

>>18192320
>It's because men are simply not capable of love, at least not true love. They only feel lust and jealously.
That's just a bunch of bullshit. We tend to love different that women. Maybe you never understood or appreciated that

>They cannot emotional or mentally connect with women, or with each other.

Nah, come on. I was a boyscout who was in the coolest all boy group with a great dynamic. Have friends I've known for 20 years. I love my mother, my father, my sister. I've got a buddy who I'm connected to that well, that women often tell us they think we're gay when they first see us talk. Most stable friendships I've ever seen were between men. I've never heard a woman gush about how how deeply they love their mother.

>>18192384
well, life in unfair. Even if what you say is true (which in my experience it isn't), it has nothing to do with being an asshole, but with human nature. Can't blame someone if he doesn't find you attractive.

>>18192442

>No one's on my level bitch, get on it.

Ah yes, you're just the specialist little snowflake. It's a shame your mom didn't beat your ass like you deserved when you were young, but luckily you're getting what you deserve every day.

>That cunt would be calling me a "creep" for having the audacity to exist

Lol the "creep" defense. Why don't you find me any kind of evidence that this happens?

> so why don't you take your purple haired lesbo jewed ass back to tumblr, you aren't going to get your beloved echo chamber here.

Nah, I'm going to keep ripping your gender a new asshole in their little version of a safe space echo chamber

>>18192327
>They have unrealistic and high demands, despite not even putting a fraction of the work they demand from you and me into themselves.
You should head over to /fit/ to watch guys killing themselves to look good and having the same complaints about women

>>18192413
I'm trying to understand here: You think men have a hard border of attractiveness under which they don't even consider girls females, therefore don't see their advances? And as a consequence they complain all day that nobody likes them, because they (unknowingly) ignore the people that would fuck them?

>>18192446
Ugh it's like talking to a child. I gotta stop coming here.

>>18192327
Yup, broad generalization is the absolute answer to your problems, you're totally right.

>>18192470
>You think men have a hard border of attractiveness under which they don't even consider girls females, therefore don't see their advances? And as a consequence they complain all day that nobody likes them, because they (unknowingly) ignore the people that would fuck them?

Not that Anon, but I can confirm that's true. I've done it personally. Can't blame anyone but myself for my lack of action during my teen years.

>>18192452
>If your comment has nothing to do with mine,
It has plenty to do with yours. I'm like 75% sure at this point that you're just being deliberately dense.

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I can't be the only one?

>>18192401
You rich arrogant beautiful fucks.

>>18192441
Okay you have a point. Sondo I though. You can keep using that phrase if you want but the south and 4chan is home to a lot of degen whites who are racist. Be careful who you're parroting, for your own sake. It just takes one little bit of unchecked cancer, and there you have it, a whole body of cancer.

>>18192483
Literally the only reason why I watched it with my ex. Kek

>>18192481

So it has to do with my comment, but not with any of the following: "this thread, women, the women in this thread, or gorgeous girls in general."?

And I'm the dense one?

My comment is in this thread and my comment was about the pictures of girls in this thread. My comment was also to someone else in this thread. What was your comment about?

>>18192470
It's the same with girls
>Ugh anon, I wish I'd find someone like you
>Yeah, like you but not you, eww that would be gross lol
Men and women don't differ that much, we all have approximately the same reaction

>>18192447

>Wah the police told me to stop being a stalker and I have to pay taxes, my life is so hard

A single tear rolls down my cheek

>>18192453

>We tend to love different that women. Maybe you never understood or appreciated that

Different in this case is inferior. Again, I don't consider lust and jealousy to be love.

>Nah, come on

Nice anecdote, but female children are more likely to take care of their parents, and are closer to them. Women also make more friends for life than men.

>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2191429/Women-twice-good-making-friends-life-say-best-friend-today-pal-met-school.html
>http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2014/08/19/Daughters-more-likely-than-sons-to-care-for-elder-parents/7001408476396/

>>18192455

>well, life in unfair.

But you can always do thing to make it more fair. Like not tolerating men's bullshit :)

>Even if what you say is true (which in my experience it isn't), it has nothing to do with being an asshole, but with human nature.

No, men are just assholes.

>Can't blame someone if he doesn't find you attractive.

When he's disgusting himself, yes you can. Plus, if that's the case men shouldn't bitch about all the women who don't find them attractive.

>>18192483
Every guy in the US was fantasizing about having a threesome with them.

>>18190965
>How do you folks deal with the fact that you'll never be good enough

stopped reading. You're a faggot with low self-esteem. i'm not.

>>18192434
>You came to me.
And you came to an open discussion forum. EVERYONE gets to talk to you sweetheart. You came here. You're jumping into a pool and complaining that the water is coming up to you unprovoked.

>I wasn't the one telling you your sample size is too small, was I?
No, I was telling you that, and you conveniently ignored it, just like you've ignored pretty much every point I've thrown at you. You keep working based off assumptions of things I haven't said, then ignoring what I do say. Talking to you is like talking to a particularly passive aggressive wall.

>>18192494
>>Wah the police told me to stop being a stalker and I have to pay taxes, my life is so hard
>
>A single tear rolls down my cheek
Okay, you're definitely confirmed that you're just a guy trolling, I'm out

>>18192431
Yeah man, science as men invented is great isn't it

>>18192485
>Be careful who you're parroting
I'm parroting myself. I dislike ebonics, because they make you sound like an uneducated twat.

Maybe instead of jumping down people's throats for any potential sign of racism, you should wait for actual racism to appear before you complain.

>>18192483
>>18192490
>>18192498
Mah niggas!!

>fuck yeah, let's watch some gossip girl!

Kekest of kek.

>>18192465

Less than 1% of men trying to become body builders doesn't make up for the fact that the other 70% are fat asses. Don't compare a small minority of men to the average woman.

>>18192470

Yep, that's pretty much how men work. Expect for often it isn't even unknowingly, they know that certain women like them but they consider those women beneath them(Because again, they're entitled and delusional about their own looks).

>>18192491
>So it has to do with my comment, but not with any of the following: "this thread, women, the women in this thread, or gorgeous girls in general."?
Yes. Good. You seem to be grasping the what, if not the why.

>And I'm the dense one?
>I don't uderstand this situation, therefor anyone who does is dense

>What was your comment about?
It was literally and exactly what it said. I was mocking the fact that you were implying that striving for the best is doing someone a disservice. If you want to apply the best to the girls in this thread, you can do that I guess, though personally they aren't my type. Either way, the point was that you seemed begrudging and disapproving of the idea that someone might dare strive to actually obtain a difficult goal.

>>18192505
>. You keep working based off assumptions of things I haven't said, then ignoring what I do say. Talking to you is like talking to a particularly passive aggressive wall.

You also don't explain to me why the way I'm acting outs me as a newfag and you don't even though you do the same... so I guess we, once again, are tied for dumbness.

Also, I did tell you why my sample was bigger, but you ignored that, didn't you?

So not only your argument is false, but it also applies back to you.

You are right, this is like talking to a "particularly passive aggressive wall." You only got the direction wrong.

>>18192507

Yeah, it's so great men kept women imprisoned in the home and often killed early female scientists like Hypatia of Alexandria so that their sociopath offspring could pat themselves on the back for inventing everything 2000 years later.

>>18192498
Except for all the ones who aren't.

>>18192480
I know I do this too out of fear of falling in the social hierarchy. I think it seems better in the head of people to keep up the "illusion" (i doubt people are fooled so easily), but I think being seen with someone ugly or someone you believe is under your value, it's still hard proof for others how low your value is, and it is also ruining "potential" future relationships with hotter girls because you lose value in their eyes.

Don't get me wrong, I could never get hard to a fat girl, but there are some who I would have banged if I could be sure nobody would ever know.

If you had the chance to relive your teens, would you take these "opportunites" and fuck girls, even if they were below your value?

Also, to the "all men are assholes" femanon, women do this too. Men are either Men, or invisible, but the invisible also become creeps if they try to initiate contact.

>>18192523
>I was mocking the fact that you were implying that striving for the best is doing someone a disservice.

I didn't say that. I was talking about the girls in the pics. Can you even read?

>>18192483
>>18192498
>not foursome
>not wanting to tear little J's asshole open while kissing Serena and having miss Waldorf push her breasts against your back
Amateurs.

>>18192507
As a man I say that men would never have done this without the help of women, and also only ever done great things because they are motivated by women.

>>18192530

>Also, to the "all men are assholes" femanon, women do this too.

No they don't. This whole concept of "I would fuck this chick but I would never date her" is a sad, horrible, just fucking sociopathic mess that pretty much only men have. Because men think it's okay to use others, while women don't.

>>18192525
>You also don't explain to me why the way I'm acting outs me as a newfag
I did. Explicitly. Specifically.

>even though you do the same
Again, false, and I'd ask you to say what makes you think that, but you'd just answer with a few things that are loosely related but largely unimportant details that you somehow think apply.

>Also, I did tell you why my sample was bigger, but you ignored that, didn't you?
Yes, because a thread on 4chan is not a representative sample for the adult population of the world. Something I've noticed throughout the years is that the old narrative that men just don't "get" women is just as true in reverse. Women tend to make wrong assumptions about men, and then they're afraid to ask, they just roll with the assumption.

>>18192531
Okay you dreary nitpicker, apply that idea to the girls in this thread, let's say that they're the objective best in the world. What's wrong with striving for them?

>>18192539
>while women don't.
Nigga, are you even for real?

>inb4 Gold diggers are a myth

>>18192539
>This whole concept of "I would fuck this chick but I would never date her" is a sad, horrible, just fucking sociopathic mess
Woah, just jumping in now, but what the fuck are you talking about? Do you have problems with people getting massages? Having a personal trainer? Why is it bad to have someone else help you feel good?

>>18190965
m8 fit is nice but like, large breasts etc aren't even a second priority. If you have a likable face (we tend to dislike ourselves because we just wish we were something different; to other people, you are different) and you're nice and you're supportive I'm down af

Especially if you actually show an interest

The vast majority of guys aren't going to be that open minded, but there are still nice boys out there.

>>18192539
>I would fuck this chick and never date her
>I would spend time with this guy, accept this favors, cry out on his shoulder, but would never fuck him

Sound like reverse friendzone to me desu
I know you will call me an asshole again for saying this, that the men in the friendzone are pigs if they expect anything in return. That's true, I'll give you that. But the same goes for women you give up their vagina (which is less precious to you than a time of a man to himself) expect a time commitment in return

>>18192539
>>18192530


I should add, because I'm a hard-ass bitch I've bugged a few of my friend when they've dated fat, ugly dudes. And you know what they do? Defend their men. Say that okay, he's fat, but I love him and we have this in common.

Men, as you admit, never do this. Women are loyal, compassionate, and flexible, but men are cruel, two-faced and conniving. And you all wonder why I and an increasing number of women hate you? You wonder why we say you're shit? Because you ARE shit.

>>18192536
Even my gf wasn't able to get me this rock hard. It's all fucking psychology, I swear.

>>18192556
>Women are loyal, compassionate, and flexible, but men are cruel, two-faced and conniving
Is this how the female /r9k/ dweller looks like? That's scary

>>18192566
No, it's what a blatant troll looks like you moron.

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>>18192563
There is no psychology involved with little J's asshole, mate.

>>18192541

Ok, I wasn't gonna say anything but it seems it really affects how you think about me. I'm a dude. Ok?

Also, I never said all people thought "less than 9 = ugly". I said 4chan does. Specifically, people asking on /adv/ do think that a lot.

Am I clear? Or is this too hard to read?

>>18192556
>And you all wonder why I and [a vast minority] of women hate you?

>>18192526
Two women got surpressed 2000 years ago and then some more and that makes science bad? I think you were the one priding yourseld with showing evidence based on science.

>>18192544

They pretty much are a myth. And the few that do exist put a ton of work into their looks(because again, men only care about looks!)

>http://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/marriage/women-and-men-tend-to-marry-within-their-class/


>>18192551

You don't lie to your personal train or treat them as less than human.

>>18192555

The difference is men in the "friendzone" lie about their intentions. They pretend to be women's friends and act in friendly ways, but when they don't get what they want become butthurt. If a guy acted like you friend but it turned out all he wanted was to be able to drive your car and got mad when you said no, he'd be an asshole, right? Why is it when you change "drive your car" to "have sex with you" suddenly he's not an asshole?

>>18192571
>I'm a dude. Ok?
Seriously?... I'm genuinely surprised by this. You need to hang out with more men.

>>18192566

No, it's what reality looks like.

>>18192570
Nah, I'm gonna watch this show now. Better not fucking disappoint. Are there other hot chicks, too?

>>18192584
>You don't lie to your personal train or treat them as less than human.
I don't do that to women either.

>>18192577

>Two women

Yes, only two. What a special gem you are.

>and that makes science bad?

Science isn't bad, and neither is reading comprehension.

>>18192519
https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-statistics/Pages/overweight-obesity-statistics.aspx

Look here, obesity in men and women are about even

>>18192543

Nothing. My comment was

>the point is that the girls posted here are not average. If you need that to get off, then I see a very sexless future for you.

Operative word: NEED. You can get off to them. Now, if you can ONLY get off to them, then you have a problem. Is it clear now?

>>18192592

Only obesity, and it still doesn't change the fact that men demand skinny women while being fat.

>>18192586

So, going on a tangent instead of answering me? How novel! How bold!

>>18192589

You're a man, of course you do. When you don't and don't get what you want, you still whine.

>>18192537
When you publish your work who should take the credit for it? When you want to be good at something and become a master at it who should take the credit for it?
I mean everyone goes like "I could've never done this without my mother/wife blah blah" but in the end that doesn't take any credit from you achieving something

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>>18192588
Dude, Blake Lively, Leighton Meester and Taylor Momsen is in it. What the fuck else is there?

>>18192596
God damn it at this point I'm in like four discussions in 3 different threads and talking with people in person, I've got too much going on and it's all starting to blend together. I'm tapping out. I concede on all points.

But what about love?

>>18192584
>The difference is men in the "friendzone" lie about their intentions. They pretend to be women's friends and act in friendly ways, but when they don't get what they want become butthurt. If a guy acted like you friend but it turned out all he wanted was to be able to drive your car and got mad when you said no, he'd be an asshole, right? Why is it when you change "drive your car" to "have sex with you" suddenly he's not an asshole?

I said they are assholes. The situation still bears a certain similarity with how men treat women who they think are below their value. Don't tell me women don't know when a guy wants to fuck them.
And since men don't have no vagina, and dick is abundant, you can't make the comparison of women using men only for sex. You have to compare asshole men to women who only use men for their other resources. (like the vagine is a resource)

>>18192613

Men sadly aren't capable of it.

>>18192610
>Momsen turned goth
My biggest reeeeeeeeeeee of all time.

>>18192613
What about it? That question is so open ended as to almost be meaningless.

>>18192615
This is objectively and demonstrably false.

>>18192605
Sorry for this nerdy example, but look at video games. Many people don't like playing the support roles because of exactly this thinking. They still have a great impact, they are just not in the spotlight.

>>18192621
Yeah it fucking rustled my jimmies too

>>18192591
I also wrote "and then some more" while we're talking about reading conprehension.

>Science isn't bad
Then we agree

>>18192622

This is objectively and demonstrably true. Read the thread.

>>18192621
>>18192624
Like giving god the finger. Just why? WHY? You have it all....

For fucks sake.

>>18192597
As if fat chicks wouldn't take a fit dude over another fat dude all day

>>18192632
at the risk that i'm taking a really bad bait
wtf nigga just look at your father or grandpa and tell me again that men can not love