Theres this girl who I have had a crush on for a few months now,

That's simple. Girls like a loud and annoying guy, so next time your in the group. dress in really bright colors, and look people in the eye. Make your voice slightly louder. She'll not be able to ignore.

>>18171474

Try to talk to her more. When I met my current bf through mutual friends I developed an awful crush on him, but avoided talking with him, because I didn't believe it could happen and would only make the crush worse. We hanged out with friends a few times and got to talking after a while and it turned out great. Just give it a shot and try to get her open up. She might focus on talking to those few people if she knows them best, but it doesn't necessarily mean she's opposed to talking others.

>>18171511

I always liked the quiet ones but to each their own

>>18171518
I try to talk to her, even when we play DnD I try to make my character attached to hers in some way, but she seems completely oblivious. I message her on steam and skype and she barely replies, she also goes afk without telling me so I sit there for hours waiting for a reply

>>18171529

Sounds like she's not attracted to you.
I've had gamer friends like that. Totally cool people but never wanted to send the wrong message by being too friendly. sorry it's one sided

>>18171511
Imagining this in a group of spergs is making me chuckle

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1. Make sure she is all the things you've said she is. There are many girls that like the attention given to them by predominantly shy male groups, and there's a fair chance she has no interest in any of you as relationship material, and as you noted in one of your mutual friends, she might simply be farming for infatuation. A lot of what you've said leads me to think this is the case, just from how you've spoken of her. Girls are never always cute, sweet, and nice smelling.

2. So you've looked at yourself and you're sure she's who she appears to be, and you're not kidding yourself. Find out what she likes other than what she does with you. It's great she likes what you like, but if you want to stand out from your friends you need to be more.

3. Don't swamp her with attention. Ask her pointed, interesting questions that make her want to talk to you, respond fairly, but then ignore her afterwards. I don't mean autistically. You're not ignoring her when she addresses you, but if you're playing dnd, don't have your character volunteer to go with hers. Don't run to the kitchen with her. Don't talk to her when it's just the two of you left on the couch and she's on her phone. This is the hardest part. You have to make her come to you. If you can't do that, you'll never have a healthy relationship. The moment she puts down her phone and addresses you first, without some kind of push from you, that's when you can move on to the next step.

4. When she's coming to you for fun conversation or just curiosity, that's when you pull up your self confidence and ask her out. Try to pick something you know she'll like, or something you know nothing about. Know she likes modern art? Throw up a little, and then take her to look at some and be yourself. Know she likes MLP? Vomit more, but there's no real way to make that into a good first date so pick something crazy that neither of you have done. A rodeo worked once.

>>18171534
How do I make her attracted to me?
>>18171542
We are into very similar things, though she does draw, mostly porn, but its something. She also is into different video games than I am, but I'm trying to find the ones she likes to get into them. Its hard to not give her attention though, very hard.

>>18171529
This is me >>18171542
>she seems completely oblivious
She's not, and don't depend on lovely stories like:
>>18171518

It's great if she's secretly into you, but chances are she's not, and she sees you trying to cling to her, and since she's probably needy enough herself, she doesn't want someone else who's just as needy trying to cling to her. We're all needy, one of the great things you can do to make friends is pretend you're not needy.

As far as ignoring you on social media... It's a bad sign. I'll be honest. Every girl who has been dodgy to talk to has been a failed hookup. Every girl who hasn't, has been a past or present gf. This example of my life is allegorical, but it has more than a few seeds that bear fruit in the real world.

If she's not into you now, she doesn't secretly love/into you, and she's clearly not into you now. I'm not surprised hearing that you've been doing the exact opposite of what you need to do to stand out.

I can not emphasize enough the importance of making the person you fancy come to you.

>>18171542
Shit should I still buy her a computer?
would that be too much attention?

>>18171559

Are you an attractive guy?
Usually chemistry is in bigger control

>>18171565

No, buying expensive gifts is for when she's already your gf

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>>18171559
>Its hard to not give her attention though, very hard.

It's just as hard, if not harder, for your mutual friends not to give her attention. If she's making you write things like, "shes cute, sweet, always smells like baked cookies," you know she's drawing on everyone for attention. It's not a deal breaker. People all have flaws and attention whores are dangerous but they're still people and I only know what you've told me and what my initial instinct/judgement fills in.

It's hard, but take heart. It's the first way to stand out. I can't say it enough. Do anything to get her to come to you. It WILL be hard, you're right. It's going to be so fucking hard and it's going to suck so fucking much not to get just a little taste of her company, but showing that you're not a slave for her will be the only way to save a relationship that right now is never going to happen.

I can't put it better than telling you: When a guy tells a girl he'd die for her, what is he telling her? He's so boring, and he thinks she's so great, that he'd kill himself for her. How fucking worthless is that guy? How little does he think of himself? And you know the girl doesn't think, deep down, that she's worth people dying for, so she's disgusted with herself on a base level (or if she isn't, she's someone to stay away from).

Girls just want to be entertained. She's entertained you with her cute and sweet demeanor and her lovely smell. Do her a fucking favor already and break the mold and be something who comes to her as an equal, not an abject groupie like everyone else around her.

>>18171565
... Do not fucking buy her a computer. Please, please do not fucking spend money on her like that. Spend money on people you care for, but never try to spend money on someone when you have an expectation of them. If you're ghandi or jesus, and you can separate yourself from the fact that you are desperate to pound her like an animal and put your arm around her when you're with your friends, and the fact that you're giving her something, THEN you can buy anyone a gift anytime. You're just fucking human though, and if you spend money on her you're going to have an expectation in your heart of hearts.

Also think of what it does to her. You're so worthless as a person you can only buy her things to make her notice you? Do you have nothing interesting going on? What would a relationship with you be like from her view? Just a train of free things until you go broke? What a future. You shouldn't want her to want that, and you shouldn't want to be so needy you create that situation.

>>18171583
>>18171577
Fuck, I already bought her a bunch of games so she could play with us. I also gave her my old mechanical keyboard and an old monitor when hers broke... did I fuck up? will she never see me more than just a cash sponge to squeeze?
Should my DnD character stop trying to bang it out with hers even though its a highlight of the campaign right now? (everyone laughs when she comes up with creative ways to reject me) Is this salvagable at all?

>>18171611
Yes just treat her as one of your regular friends. She's just playing games with you. Just smarten up now while you can.

>>18171611
Maybe talk to the DM to plan a funny way for your character to be cursed or something so that it gives you a way to change things up.

>"Hey man, the hitting on girl thing is fun but I'm getting worried it's gonna get dry. Let's plan something."

But wtf are you doing buying her things? Fucking just don't. It puts her in an awkward position where now she is forced to be nice to you. Might make her resentful if she already doesn't care for you.

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>>18171611
>salvageable
Yes
>worth the time, effort, and care to salvage
No

There are so many women in the world. I've tried to give you concise advise about this issue, but I haven't seen you analyze the original points I brought up, so I'll do it second hand for you to maybe show you why this 'relationship' is stillborn.

1. She's out for attention. It's a fact. If you accept so many gifts from someone like that it's just a fact that she's not relationship material.

>Lets say she's with you down the line
How would you feel if she's taking free stuff from other guys? You know what they're doing, because it's what you did, and you know it worked because she's with you. Someone will come along with more money than you one day, or she'll just get bored.

2. Since she's out for attention you're never going to find out what she's actually into because she'd rather have gibs from you than a relationship from you. She can get gibs from you, and ten other guys, and what does she get from a relationship? She clearly likes free things, who doesn't? And if she gets lots, she'll want to keep getting lots.

3. She's already swamped by attention, of the worst kind. You cling to her like a puppy. You're her little pet. You've established in her mind, with zero doubt, that she is better than you. You've shown her no value intrinsic to your person.

4. She'll never come to you, because she knows you'll come to her, and if you don't come to her now, she won't come to you for entertainment, she'll come to you angry because you haven't showered her in attention, or she'll just plain forget about you because she has five other guys waiting to fill the gap.

So tl;dr
You fucked up.

Ask >>18171617
what happens when you treat someone like 'one of your regular friends' protip: betas call it the friendzone and there's a body of twitter-tier literature on it.

>>18171667
Not bad advice... But why give you DM more work? Just more clingy...

>>18171559
>How do I make her attracted to me?
You don't. She either is or she isn't. Attraction can grow over time, but there's not one magic thing you're going to do that's going to flip a switch and suddenly make her attracted to you.