Can someone redpill me on antidepressants? I've been on

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>>18132914
I have been on Citalopram (10mg then 20mg I think), then Prozac (Fluoxetine - 20mg I think)

I think I was on C for maybe 4 or 5 months, then P for maybe 4 or 5 months. This was three years ago. I haven't taken any since.

Perhaps I should have, but I couldn't be fucked. I don't like SSRIs. They are not nice. They make you feel artificially happy. I don't like that. I want to be in control of myself and have genuine thoughts and emotions. Otherwise I can't relate to people properly. I don't want to be some fucking charity case.

Maybe in the future, if I'm working some stressful job, and I have a family, and I just need to get through some tough time, I might take them again... heavy emphasis on "might". I will do everything I can to not take them.

Here's some reasons why I have lost faith in how doctors diagnose SSRIs these days:

1) SSRIs won't fix your life problems.
2) For the vast majority of people, depression is caused by your life circumstances. Sure, some people inherit a small genetic disposition to getting depressed; but every instance of depression is still ultimately brought about by life events. If you feel you have to be on SSRIs then fine, I'm not going to say you shouldn't, it's up to you. It's not the only option though.
3) The "brain chemistry" argument is the most infuriatingly stupid thing I've ever heard. Every emotion you experience is instantiated in "brain chemistry". Excitement is adrenaline. Happiness is dopamine. The reason "brain chemistry" is stupid is because it's not offering an explanation of what is causing that brain chemistry; it deliberately fobs off the question. For most people, your life experiences are causing your depression. Physical head injuries can cause people to be more irritable and depressed, but most people who get depressed haven't had a head injury.

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>>18133065
This guy is right.
I took Zoloft for two years and also Xanax and klonopin. I could go on a long spill but I'm not. Just take my word and agree that they are pretty shitty. This is also the problem I have with mental health. Three different docs give you three different diagnosis, it's bullshit.

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>>18132914
>>18133065
Ah I was going to continue my rant but actually I want to see if you respond first.

Here's a couple of things I want to make you aware of though.

Here's an article of a clinical psychologist stressing that people are being over-diagnosed with mental illnesses these days, for what are actually normal emotions (pic related is of this article):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-20986796

And here's a TV show where a doctor decides to treat someone with mild depression by getting them to take up swimming. Instead of prescribing them with drugs:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07w52tp

To be fair your things (OCD, bipolar, major depression) sound pretty serious. So you probably should talk to a doctor. They sound more serious than what doctors talked to me about (anxiety and depression).

But yeah. I dunno. There's some of my thoughts on the subject.

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>>18132914
Jesus said to her, “Everyone who drinks of this water will thirst again, but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water that I shall give him will become in him a well of water springing up into eternal life.” (John 4:13-14)

OP, all you need in Jesus Christ. Accept Him into your heart, believe that He suffered and died on the cross for your sins. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.

https://www.youtube.com/user/ihopkc/live

>>18133095
Well this is a first. Never would I expect someone to bring this into 4chan

>>18132914
Try a strong strain of marijuana, might not be legal but ur better off with a natural and a holistic approach. It helped and even saved me when I suffered chronic depression.

>>18133065
>>18133083
You still there? I've got a question for you.

Over the past few years (I'm 18, think it started after puberty), I've stopped getting pleasure from almost anything, I feel empty emotion-wise, I struggle with energy, and I have trouble focusing. I've seen a therapist and started walking more, but the problem persists, and I'm strongly considering meds.

What should I do? I'm sure it sounds like a non-issue to most people, but when I do productive things like have conversations with people and spend time outside (albeit in small amounts), I still feel no change.

>>18133304
Different person but take meds and get it nailed down before you go to college

don't be scared of the horror stories, they're one in a million. SSRIs are pretty mild. the only side effect i had was the inability to nut easily.

>>18133367
What was your reason for SSRIs? Why do you think it will help me?

>>18133374
SSRIs are the first choice for depression

I actually rely on mainly Lithium + Lexapro (SSRI), but I have severe treatment-resistant depression so many medications didn't work for me, so i ended up on lithium. don't worry, it's mostly genetic

And it's obvious nigga, because therapy exercise and socialization aren't helping you.

60% of people have depression resolved using Med's
60% of people have depression resolve from therapy
85% of people experience resolution of depression using Med's and therapy together
All figures are at 12 months out

200mg is not the typical dose of Wellbutrin. 300mg is typical. Takes 6 weeks for effect

Are you doing anything different from 2 months ago? If not, it's like taking steroids to bulk up but not going to the gym. Meds help kickstart mood issues but you have to work on your behaviors. Especially if you have bpd and OCD symptoms.

Source: my doctorate in clinical psychology.

Wellbutrin alone doesnt do much for OCD in my experience.

Also both OCD and BPD are tricky to diagnose correctly and you should ask for a referral to a specialist.

The typical therapist is extremely shit at treating OCD and a specialist with a background in treating compulsions is an absolute.

Personality disorders usually manifest as the result of trauma and require a very different approach.

Until you know which one you have, if either, getting effective treatment ia going to be difficult.

>>18132914
i'm also on wellbutrin 300mg. doesn't do shit for my anxiety/depression, if anything it makes my normal life shittier. would rather just go back to dealing with life on my own again instead of relying on these gay-ass pills. actually thats exactly what i did. tried it for about 2 months and i've been off its for a few weeks now.

>>18133388
>tfw SSRi's are only first choice because it's harder to overdose on them than TCAs.

TCA ALL THE WAY.

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>>18133065
I totally agree. I know I am the only one that can help myself. I can get advice and scripts from docs, but it's up to me to take action.
And I totally agree with your brain chemistry argument. Unless I've had an analysis done on my brain chemistry, how is anyone supposed to know what med I need to take and for what specific neurotransmitter?? It's a lot of trial and error, and I end up feeling like a guinea pig!

>>18133095
I've actually been researching the mantras of Buddhism. It's helped me and I will continue to study it on my path to Nirvana.

>>18133213
Yeah I'm in MA I smoke medical CO2 derived resin. 85% THC.

>>18133663
At 200mg I am experiencing an amphetamine-like stimuli, therefore my psychiatrist has advised against a higher dose at this time. I'm also on 1.5mg klonopin prn. Script from same Dr.

>>18133685
I have obsessive thoughts about my status as a circumcised male. I hate being circumcised, it is the bane of my existence. To have the most private part of myself scarred has severely impacted my self-esteem and self-image. I've been seeing the same therapist for 4 years and we have talked about my problems w/r/t being circumcised in depth, but I am still angry and ashamed.

I used to strive for perfection. Up until 2nd year high school my grades were great. But I started feeling burnt out. I was tired all the time. I was obsessed with my appearance. Think BDD. I worked hard to have perfect skin. No spots no zits. At times I felt so utterly beautiful and confident, then came Doubt, saying "there are men far more classically, conventionally handsome than you."
It was around the time I really starting learning about what circumcision was and I was reading about it a lot. It took me years to connect my depression with circumcision. I'm into foreskin restoration but it's not something I should have to do. "Anything worth having you have to work for" does not apply to this situation since I was already born with it.

>>18134531
Classic borderline personality disorder. No OCD. You sound like a pissy teen. You're also over-dependent on drugs and Somaticize. Get off klonopin. For you, with the cannabis etc, total crutch. Grow your own self-soothing. Join a DBT group.

Your circumcision worry is either total shitpost fakery or the dumbest thing ever. Why don't you join the military, see another country, and learn about what real trauma and pain is about. Life is unfair. Stop bitching about what you don't have and learn gratitude. Gratitude is probably the cure for you. Fuckin' hell. People like you are why I refuse to treat the worried well or upper middle class whiners. I work with veterans and refugees. People who work hard for their bliss and don't blame others for their problems.

>>18133065
You don't understand neurotransmitters, saltatory conduction, synaptic clefts, or reuptake. If you put a rat in a shitty "depressing" environment, he will develop chemical depression. On fMRI it will look just like a rat brain who has had a good environment but who was induced to have a chemical imbalance (tryptophan denial as precursor to serotonin). On humans- same thing. Chemical brain imbalances can be triggered by long term situational depression. We aren't happy, we stop acting happy, our brain stops manufacturing neurotransmitters that support happy.

The brain chemistry argument is above your head. Sorry it makes you angry. Hope i explained it enough to you that you'll stop preaching your ignorance as truth.

Don't cite a single psychologist. That's no better than citing me.

BPD isn't bipolar. It's borderline personality disorder.

>>18134531
Seems like you came from /r9k/ kek

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>>18134562
Wow thanks you cured me!

>>18132914
SSRI pharmacology is not even understood, long term effects are anyone's guess and some of those guesses are pretty bad (permanent dopamine pathway alteration which equates to dependence)

if you must, make it temporary.

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>>18135529
Yeah I'm starting to become fed up with the whole situation. It placates my parents, them knowing I am seeing doctors, and that I am less likely to kms. I don't want to an hero, but I think about it.

I'm realizing now more than ever that I need to stop ruminating and start enjoying my youth before its passed.
I know what I have to do, it all just seems like so much, I get overwhelmed, and then I'll sleep for 18 hours so I don't have to think about any of it.

>>18135559
how old are you?

want a cure for depression. get stimulated. go outdoors. do shit. DO SHIT. physical stimulation. that puts serotonin in your brain naturally.
you are doing shit, you say? then do other shit. make a change. any change. go act. go verb. stop sedating yourself.

sitting inside all day IS depressing. you shouldn't be surprised if you become depressed doing that.

>>18133663

Tell me doctor, does someone with BPD in their mid thirties with little money, no friends, no partner or sexual/relationship experience have any chance to make a real change and fix all/most of these issues?
I know you're going to want to be optimistic but I'd like a realistic perspective here.

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>>18135564
I'm 21, suffered from depression since age of 17.
I work, exercise, read, and write.
I live in New England so no I will not be going outside until it's at least 50℉.
My home environment is mostly stable, but both my parents are pretty weird. My dad is a 2nd rate attorney who works 24/7. Nothing is ever good enough for him. I get an A, bit why didn't I get an A+. Right when he walks through the door he finds something to complain about. Small stupid shit like someone left the light on or left their shoes in the hall. He's always yelling and talks to my siblings and mother in very condescending tones. I've never been able to relax around him. He uses his courtroom experience to manipulate and trick everyone in the family for his own benefit. I've been keeping my distance as of late. I'm just saying he makes home environment stressful and not the best place for me to work on myself.

>inb4 move out
I have student loans and not very much money saved. But I am working on it.

>>18135583
im not doc but depression is almost always temporary.

instead of treating the symptoms why not try and find the problem. a little introspection never hurt anybody.

>>18135587
>I have student loans and not very much money saved. But I am working on it.
bullshit. i got a place at age 18, 6 people in a 2 bedroom making 200 bucks a week at a minimum wage job which was like 5 bucks an hour back then. couldn't afford to eat every day. some of the happiest days of my life.

your making excuses, like it or not.

>>18135589

I've been introspecting for a while now. Even kept a journal. I think I need some outside help.
The only think that helped my situation (and the reason I even got a job a few months ago) was chatting to a woman online. Which has since gone rough along with my optimism.

>>18135599
>chatting to a woman online. Which has since gone rough along with my optimism.
sounds like your socially isolated.

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I would like to thank everyone that considerately replied to my post.

>>18134562
Except you, you can choke.

>>18134573
And I bet you're super fun at parties.

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>>18135595
OK. What year did you do this and where? MA has the highest cost of living out of all the states.

>>18134573
yeah too bad serotonin model is pathetically oversimplified and the pharmacology behind depression and SSRI is nothing more than theory that is understood to be incomplete.

SSRI meds are to neuroscience as bleeding with leeches is to medicine.
its primitive. neuroscience is infantile.

>>18132914
Is Xanax considered Antidepressant?

>>18135628
north dakota about 15 years ago.

move in with people. room mates = cheep rent.

or, you know, just keep coming up with excuses and continue to suffer in your current place.
up to you, m8.

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>>18135632
No it's a sedative of the benzodiazepine class of drugs. It's for anxiety.
Couldn't you have typed that sentence into Google?

>>18135632
yes but it's a benzodiazepine, I would avoid.
hell id rather self medicate with amphetamine than take benzos.

really depends on how painful your depression is. you should know that SSRI come with a cost, you should be sure that the cost is lower than what it will get you in return.

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>>18135635

>North Dakota
>15 years ago

Yeah, no fucking wonder you could afford it!
If you didn't see the post you just replied to, I live in a state that matters, and to live in a state that people fly to and not over, it costs more.

>>18133663
>my doctorate in clinical psychology
I call bullshit. You start treatment with Wellbutrin on 150 and increase to 300 depending on the case, too fast doubling risks seizure. Takes 4 up to 8 weeks usually, one of the first choices in severe episodes, rather chronic depression, mood disorders, won't really help treatment resistant depression cases as basically it's just small energy spikes.
In really severe depression we use stuff from the 50s, which aren't legally allowed in most countries anymore, because they actually work. Also because they can't be taken together with stuff like Wellbutrin increasing risk of seizures.
Benzos can also be switched with 50s meds like Promazine that's basically only available in Switzerland nowadays and isn't addictive. Was one of the first medication against bipolar & schizophrenia, acts like Seroquel, just without the zombie feeling and rather sleep inducing and muscle relaxing like Valium.

Source: someone who has actually worked with patients for 12 years.

>>18135647
oh yeah i guess in MA no one moves out unless they are financially well off.

your just more willing to live in a negative environment than you are to lower your standards of living. your call man.

ive lived out of my car for months at a time rather than living at home, not because my home was shit but because i refused to be a burden on my family in any way.

IMO your just being a bitch. but whatever.

>>18135608

I was when I met her. Now not so much, though I do not socialize outside of work because there are no options for it.

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>>18135655
Honestly you're right I would rather live in an upper middle class neighborhood. I tried living in an apartment with a friend and it was horrible. Niggers everywhere. 0/10 would not recommend.

>>18135663
>I do not socialize outside of work because there are no options for it.
so you are socially isolated.

no options?
your making excuses. you don't want to change man, you just want to feel better about your shitty life. i know because your making stupid excuses.

go volunteer at a soup kitchen. go help immigrants learn English. go sign up for a social club.
these things exists in any city with a pop over 10k. you should be near one if you don't live in the desert.

or just make more excuses so you can rationalize your unhappyness while dooming yourself to never change. thats way fuckin easier.

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>>18135655
I just wasn't lucky enough to be born with a trust fund. So I'll work for a few decades until enough ppl in my family die and I can cash out n retire early.

>>18135667
go live in the ghetto. go experience reality.
get out of your plain-old, run-of-the-mill bubble and experience shit.

your just gunna end up a soccer mom, the most boring and uninformed person on earth, because you never took a chance, you never step outside of your comfort zone.

anyway thats my armchair diagnosis take it for what its worth.

>>18135672
>I just wasn't lucky enough to be born with a trust fund.
neither was I, but i don't think thats unlucky. whats your point?

>>18135669

Yeah OK. And I recommend you stop giving useless advice. Bye.

>>18135682
its good advice, the problem here is that your not looking for advice. your looking for a reason or a way to be happy with your shitty life without changing a thing about it.


good luck with that man. i mean that sincerely.


the fact that you posted about drugs that make you feel good illustrates this quite blatantly. i recommend opiates or amphetamines, both safer than benzos and SSRI meds if you don't abuse, and if you do.

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>>18135674
I did live in the ghetto for a few months. There were niggers everywhere 0/10 would not recommend.

I agree I need to step out my comfort zone. Just not when it comes to niggers. I'm not referencing black ppl, have no problem with them. But for every one black, there are 5 niggers not too far away.

>>18135702
>But for every one black, there are 5 niggers not too far away.
haha whatever, this is 4chan, no one cares about racism here.

nigger's wont fuck with you if you keep your shoulders square and your spine straight. nothing to fear in the ghetto.

but ill take the limited consensus we have reached as a closure here. good luck with your crappy home life, your not alone in that.

>>18132914
After multiple tries I gave up on antidepressants. In a nutshell this is what feels like happens to my body every time I try:

Step one: things get worse
Step two: my body makes adjustments
Step three: start to feel "better" because my body is compensating for the change in chemistry
Step four: feel the same
Step five: quit because hate it and repeat steps 1-3.

Therapy has always helped me more. One a therapist told me something I find to be true: when things feel really bad and you feel miserable and depressed and anxious and exhausted it isn't meaningless. It's often your body reacting to different circumstances in your life. You may need a change or a break despite it not feeling like the logical thing to do.

>>18135701

I didn't post shit about drugs nor do I do any. You're fucking nuts and should stop trying to aggressively give bad or useless advice.

>>18135730
maybe you should make an argument with a little more nuance than "your wrong".
somehow your posts don't convince me that my advice is bad.
more likely you are just a moron.

>>18135583
Do you have insight? If you have insight into how your own borderline personality traits create your issues (literally make you a difficult person to like, love, hire, etc) then yes there is hope. Get DBT therapy in a group form. It works. Ive seen it.

But to reiterate, if you lack the insight to see your own behaviors as creating your distress, then you remain unable to fix your life. You will just see everyone else as the problem and nothing's going to get better. I'm happy to chat with you more if you want.

>>18135589
Holy shit no you aren't a doc. Depression is usually episodic but for a large percent of people, those episodes can last years and years.

>>18135793
yeah go consider the context of my answer than feel bad for making that post you jackass.

>>18135632
No. It's a short acting benzo. Anti anxiety. Nothing for depression.

>>18135612
Ha. Nice. Perfect failure to take criticism you don't like. What if the answer is the one option you dislike?

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>>18135650
My bookshelf in my office.

Nothing you said makes sense. Is that Swiss medicine?

>>18135701
This.

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>>18135797
I'll find an answer that suits me.

>>18135836
you assume that the subset of correct answers and the subset of answers which suit you overlap.
probably not a bet you should go all in on, my friend.

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>>18135844
It's not black and white. You can try and qualify and quantify the subjective changes I could make but there are infinite amount of variables.

>>18135878
>subjective changes
>changes

verbs are not subjective if they are tangible.
changes in your life are not subjective. they can be qualified.

and the qualities are relevant to your situation and they have logical conclusions which do or do not assist you in your goal to not hate your life

your just dismissing the entire idea of giving advice, lol, in that case why are you here?

>>18135836
I love that you'd choose all the lay opinions over a professional, educated opinion.

Your the person who drops their keys and keeps looking in their hands because they don't want their keys to be on the ground.

>>18135902
haha great metaphor. i was trying to think of one for this and couldn't.

>>18133065
weak bait, only got replies cuz it's first post

>>18135902
>implying you're either educated or professional

assclown stop giving retarded advice to mentally ill people

>>18135978
im not him but fuck you. make an argument.
all you said was assclown and stop.
nice contribution, dipshit.

here is one of equal value:
YOU are an assclown. YOU should stop.
see how useful that is?

>>18135987
>no u

armchairs defend armchairs. nobody on this board should LARP as a professional.

>>18135989
nobody on the internet in general should assume anyone isn't LARPing.
you condemn one sinner and bless another.

>>18135987
Thanks for that. I was literally in the middle of a session. Which is so unbelievable that it's irony makes me laugh. Actually all of this does. Interesting to see what people think of shrinks. And the misinformation out there.

And if this were a larp I wouldn't pay 2g a month in student loan debt. Don't confuse webmd with my degree.

>>18136095
>Don't confuse webmd with my degree.
who the fuck are you?
some 11 year old for all i know.
surely you understand how anonymity works?

by the way, im the queen of england.
you dolt.

>>18136129
Game recognize game.

>>18132914
No. an SSRI will work in 6 weeks, or not at all. Wellbutrin didn't work for me either. I tried about 18 SSRIs, but the only one that did anything for me was Viibryd.

yes, it's worth being medicated. SSRIs will not solve depression, but they take the edge off it. More importantly, they give you enough energy to make changes to your life that will solve your depression.

>>18135900

>verbs are not subjective if they are tangible.

How can a part of speech be tangible??

And I never said I hate my life?

I'm here to get advice on whether or not I should be taking meds.

>>18135900

>changes in your life are not subjective

Changes in my life are completely subjective. However I interpret any given happening can be completely contingent upon various factors. The mood I am or the breadth of knowledge I have on a certain subject could absolutely subjectively skew how I react and/or analyze a situation.

>>18132914
Cannabis sativa maybe

>>18135806

Are you a girl? If so, will you ERP with me?
Email me at this throwaway email if the answer is yes and we can get things started. No romance.
[email protected]

>>18132914
only one that can fix your mental health is you. These pills literally just fuck with your brain enough to make you dead inside, have a lot of family and friends on them and all that happens is
>their depression gets worse
>they feel the same and get sick if they dont take the pills
Had a girlfriend start taking them too, she went crazy.
Can't recommend against them enough, i've been on high dosage anxiety pills as well after a car accident, they don't fucking work and just made me sick, so i worked out the problems myself and im back to normal.
Save yourself, from yourself. dont count on bullshit to fix you.