Hey /adv/, does it matter to you how many sex partners your date

If a woman has had many partners I will not get into a relationship with her. Fuck and then chuck

>>17959033

I'm not the greatest at math but what is that chart supposed to say?

How are men constantly higher on average? Aren't they fucking women? And if they do, why doesn't the women-average go up?

Chick here, the number doesn't concern me in any "moral" sense. Personally, I find that shit stupid, but to each their own.
The only thing that concerns be about a high number is
A, does this guy have every STD known to man now?
or B, does he have a fuck ton of kids he may or may not know about that could potentially become my problem in the future.

Now, the STD thing is easy to prove. Go take a test, show me your results. You clean? Good, idgaf how many women you've been with.
The kids thing is more scary to me, because they could just be completely unaware of it and then suddenly we have a good life together 20 years down the road and suddenly his bastard shows up on our doorstep demanding money or something. (This literally happened to my neighbor, so I know it happens.)
Ergo, the types of partners he;s been with also matters. Has he had 10 one night stands? Or 10 girlfriends that he actually cared about and knew more than just their names? If he's only ever really screwed people he at least had some sort of relationship with, I'd say if the chick got knocked up, the chances of her at least telling him about it would be higher. The ons who didn't even know his name to track him down even if she wanted to, well, he's got kids he don't know about.
As for
>I also don't understand why men that have had many sex partners are considered more attractive.
For me personally, it's because I'm shy, insecure, and inexperienced with a kink for dom/sub. A dude who's more experienced than me is attractive because to me that means he's dominating me in that sense. However there's still a limit to that. The guy who's bragging about fucking 100's of chicks is just going to make me shrink back and know I'll never be any good. The guy who's had a couple and knows what he's doing, and can be a little cocky about it, that's hot.
On the flip side, even the dude who can fake like he knows what hes doing is attractive. Confidence is more sexy than the number in the end.

>>17959033
It's gonna sound like a cliche, but attitude/personality are more important than the number. I would probably consider it a dealbreaker if a girl had cheated on her partner in the past, even if those were the only 2 guys she'd ever been with. Whereas I wouldn't mind if a girl had a larger number of casual partners in the past if there was nothing risky/dishonest about the way she chose her partners or treated them.

I'd rather date a girl with five ex-boyfriends that she doesn't really think about anymore, than a girl who only dated 1 other guy, got dumped, and remains obsessed with him forever. Know what I mean? It's always a little more complicated than just a number

...but if the number's higher than, like, 20, then yeah. Probably not relationship material.

>>17959060
The same group men fucks many different women.

>>17959033
I used to care about this until I realized that the vast majority of men get bored with their sex partners before a year is even up. It's probably why men have more sex partners than women on average.
the only thing I care about is if the man i'm with wants to keep having sex with me after 6 months. The coolidge effect sucks.

This could also be why females are having more sex partners as the years go on, they are realizing that men get bored of them so they start hopping from dick to dick to feel some sense of male desire.

>>17959074

that doesn't answer the question, because it implies that the study always asks this group of manwhores

what is more likely: men lie in the study and make their number higher, while women also lie and make their number lower

>because
>muh society
>muh ideals
>studs and sluts
you know the drill

>>17959070
This is probably the most mature way of looking at it.

2 of my ex bfs were virgins that cheated on me. I only ever tried to have a healthy commited relationship with one person but life doesn't always turn out the way you expect.
When you get involved with someone that has no experience, you're risking dealing with their curiosity for others later on.
Both of them tried to come back after the fact but after that experience i definitely would rather not date a virgin again.

>>17959093
The more dick you hop the less desirable you become. It's a double edged sword.

>>17959096
this is also why i don't date virgins anymore.
weird considering guys expect women to stay virgin, pure, and faithful.
Seems like this is unrealistic for both sexes.

>>17959102
Haha that is true but you become less desirable by your partner if you stay with them for more than 6 months. They start to turn to porn instead of fucking you. If you have any sense of sex drive you can't win with this one.

>>17959094
It would be weird if guys in average had sex with more women than women have sex with guys on average.

I mean how would that even work?

The only thing that might be different between the genders is the distribution.

On theory of mine (and others) is that a majority of women sleep with a small number of the most attractive men. These guys have a lot more sex than the average, and most guys don't have as much sex as the average because the average is lifted by a few studs.

It also means most women rotates the same guys around themselves.

>>17959107

Right? I feel like this is one of those "have your cake and eat it too"
Kind of things.
Most the women i know that have had multiple partners were hoping each onr was going to be a lasting thing.

I think too many people just get involved before they're ready to commit, that's the bigger issue

>>17959111
That is false.

>>17959096
The exact same thing happened with my ex. If it weren't for that I wouldn't have any problem dating a virgin.

>>17959123
kek no it's not. I've been in several long term relationships where this has happened. Men get bored fast.

>>17959128
I've been with my gf for 2 years now. I'm not bored of her.

>>17959128
Maybe it's just you who is boring.

>>17959132
that makes me happy to hear that. I hope I find a man like you someday. It's very jarring to fall inlove and have a great sexlife with a man for many months to then have it come to a screeching halt out of nowhere.

I wonder if you do anything different than they do. Do abstain from watching porn excessively?


>>17959134
I assure you its not I'm very sexually open to many different things. I'm not unattractive either there are always men and women interested in me. This is something that happens with a lot of my female friends too.

>>17959141
I don't watch porn.

>>17959146
that's probably why then. Don't start it'll ruin your relationship if you don't have any self control with that kind of thing.

You've been warned by the ghost of sexless past.

>>17959156
I know. Porn isn't healthy at all. Very bad for your mind.

>>17959159
how do you stay away from it when its everywhere? You're on 4chan of all places where its plastered on even blueboards.

I'm asking because my boyfriend has a serious problem with it and our relationship is on its last legs because of it.

>>17959168
I do get the odd erection now and again if I see porn but I just resist the urge to fap. This way sex is much more passionate and overall just better with my gf. Not much advice I can give you other than for him to resist the urge.

>>17959178
my boyfriend cant get an erection from porn but he watches it for hours without masturbating. he cant get it up for sex anymore either. do you think this is because hes desensitized from porn?
we used to have very passionate sex daily but it stopped when he got his own laptop and started watching mass amounts of porn.

>>17959194
Yeah, porn is the cause. He needs to stop watching it. The more you watch the weirder the stuff you'll need to get off. I reckon that's what has happened to him.

>>17959194

Your bf sounds mentally ill. But also obviously has erectile dysfunction

>>17959096
Then there's guys like me, who only had PIV sex with a single girl, and she went off and did the fucking.

When you lose, you lose. Hard not to be a sore loser under the circumstances though. Time heals.

>>17959206
yeah he does watch some pretty weird shit. i would be ok with it if he actually wanted to have sex with me though. the problem is that he wont stop even when he tries to... weird how porn can be like a drug.

>>17959208
does he? I guess looking at porn for hours without masturbating is pretty strange. I think I would get bored at that point. I get bored of what I watch 10 seconds after orgasm.
I've tried to google his specific problem but all i've found are guys who watch porn for hours but do masturbate.

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>>17959033

Jesus Christ this fucking thread again.

>>17959216

True that, it's just a shame that so few people value intimacy anymore.
Hope u find one that stays next time

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>>17959234

>True that, it's just a shame that so few people value intimacy anymore.

Got a crazy piece of information for you. Not everyone's idea of intimacy is the same. In fact, it wildly varies. People are different, therefore value different things.

Fucking insane, huh?

>>17959033
>but if a girl has had more than one or two boyfriends before me, let's say for example 10
3 to 10. A small step for OP, a giant leap for anyone reading his shit

>>17959241
this is true but i wish people would be more open and honest about what kind of intimacy they are willing to give and what kind they want to receive.

>>17959241

No shit,
I said so few people because there used to be more of them that were ashamed of that behavior.
If you wanna hoe around go right ahead but don't pretend you're going to be someone's commited partner if that's not your intention

Eh depends. I dated a girl from my High School for 4 years. I knew the people she fucked, so even though her number was only two it bothered me because I knew the guys on a personal level.

But I've dated girls recently and I didn't even ask how many people they fucked, because I couldn't care less if I don't know the guys. Probably much healthier just not to ask her. STD talk should be done before intercourse, that's it.

If you feel insecure about girl's partner counts it's usually because you feel insecure about your partner count. A guy who fucked twenty girls won't give a fuck if his GF had five dicks in her life, but a guy who has only had one lay will be super insecure about a girl with a 5 count in a lot of cases.

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>>17959033
> does it matter to you how many sex partners your date has had before he/she met you?
No. I don't ask. I don't want to know.

> then for me she would only qualify for a one night stand
That is your preference. However, if you are dismissing a woman because of something she cannot change, you should let the girl know BEFORE you have sex with her that you see her as only a sex object.

Just don't lie and promise love if you only intend to pump and dump.

> why men that have had many sex partners are considered more attractive
You have it backwards. Men aren't attractive because they have lots of sex. Men have lots of sex because they are attractive.

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>>17959248

>this is true but i wish people would be more open and honest about what kind of intimacy they are willing to give and what kind they want to receive.

Fair enough, but humans are complicated, emotional sacks of shit. It would be nice if people were more straight forward and honest about their intentions and feelings but being arbitrary and inexplicable is a hallmark of the human experience.

>>17959253

>I said so few people because there used to be more of them that were ashamed of that behavior.

I've got a crazy piece of information for you. Not everyone's idea of shame is the same. In fact, it wildly varies. People are different, therefore are ashamed by different things. Some people are ashamed to take their shirt off in public. Some aren't. Some people are ashamed to use public restrooms. Some aren't. Things that are shameful in asian countries are radically different than things in America.

There is no universal idea of shame. Some people have different values and, believe it or not, a majority of the working adult world doesn't give a shit whether you approve or not.

The more partners, the less likely your relationship is too last. Avoiding to statistics anyway. That's why you should enter the marriage game early to pick the cream of the crop.

>>17959281
I know that humans are complicated but I believe that most people who cheat know that it is wrong and know that it's something their partner wouldn't approve of, but they do it anyway.
People who cheat don't have to cheat if they want sexual variety, polygamy is very popular now but a lot of cheaters still choose to pretend to be monogamous. I don't think theres anything arbitrary or inexplicable about that.

>>17959033

>does it matter?
No.

>why are men more attractive?
They're not. Maybe to other guys, but women don't find them more appealing. But, I will say, getting sex as a guy is infinitely more difficult than getting sex as a woman. A woman just has to present herself and someone will come along. A guy has to pursue many women, face rejection, etc.

I'm not saying girls don't face rejection, but they have much higher standards. If you compare onlne dating profiles between men and women, the women are swarmed with messages, and the guys messages on average are getting ignored.

I always thought the lock/key analogy was sexist and stupid, and I have nothing against girls who sleep around a lot, but it is true. A guy with a higher number of partners is more impressive than a woman with a high number of partners.

And I understand your logic. When I was 21 I lost my virginity to a girl who had 7 partners before me. I mean I was getting laid, and it wasn't like those seven people were in the room with us, but I did feel insecure.

But this brings me to my biggest point. Sex is supposed to feel good and be fun. Being insecure about it only messes with your head. Don't worry about the numbers too much, because nobody is qualifying you based on experience.

Want a hot tip? Don't ask her number of partners until after you've had sex. Out of sight, out of mind. And if she has had a lot then that is your decision to stay with her or not.

But take this all with a grain of salt. I'm one of those bitter 21 yo virgins. I'm 26 now and have had sex with about 17 girls. And I don't really respect women. I think they're all shallow whores and I don't mind hurting them emotionally. But again, that is because of my insecurities. I'm sure most of them are nice people.

>>17959033
>Does it matter to me?
Yes. Just like how looks, skin colour etc. will matter to some people, the number of sexual partners you've had matters to me. I don't need her to be a complete virgin, but I want to know that she hasn't slutted around in her early years so that she can find herself the 'best option'. I want to know that she is loyal, she is interested in a long-term relationship, possibly for life - not the type to jump from partner to partner because of a small argument, because someone better came along, because of infidelity etc.

Basically, if you've been doing relationships properly, you really should have THAT many sexual partners. If you've been a total slut then I don't want to have a long term relationship with you because I'm not into sluts and you're used goods. Sorry, truth hurts.

>>17959317
>because of infidelity

do you mean if she cheated or her partner did? I hope you dont expect someone to stay after the pain of being cheated on.

>I also don't understand why men that have had many sex partners are considered more attractive.
It's not really that, it's more that men who are very attractive get laid a lot and them getting laid a lot is just another confirmation that they're attractive. Most women also do not like dwelling on the idea of where his dick has been, they just like the extra reassurance that they have a catch on their hands. Wanting to date the person everyone wants to date because they offer a great package of qualities.

It does matter to me, particularly the way they went about it. Bragging about all the "clubsluts" you pumped and dumped is sleazy and entirely off putting. If a guy surpasses a certain number of sex partners without being model tier good looking then I know he invested so much in getting laid (like hanging out at parties every night for the sake of scoring pussy) that I strongly doubt we're very compatible people. And ideally I would want to be with a man who doesn't fuck nearly as much women as he could.

But pragmatically speaking, I care about so many other things more that I cannot afford for this to be a high priority. Besides, most of the things I am "afraid" of with someone with a high partner count are things you can easily check by getting to know someone. Ultimately it is more about the kind of person someone is, their views of sex and their priorities in life for me than whether or not they fucked "too many" people.

>>17959094
Truth. Society says men can and should sleep with as many women as possible in order to prove how "manly" and "masculine" he is, how desirable he is. Women on the other hand are seen as objects to conquer and thus they have value placed on them in the sense that if they've never slept with a guy they're "top-grade" and their "value" goes down as the number of guys they've slept with goes up. It's a stupid double standard that creates a no-win scenario for both sexes.

>>17959033
Dating a man with a high partner count can have some risks.
One big risk is that he probably has his ex-girlfriends and ex fwbs still hanging around him.
I do not in under any circumstance feel comfortable dating a man with women hanging all around him.
There is the risk of him cheating with them because he misses the past, and the definite of these women getting jealous of his new partner (me). These women do not keep their jealousy to themselves in my experience, they will constantly try to take back what they once had and cause a shitload of drama to make the guy feel sorry for "breaking her heart" and "choosing her over me!"

This can happen with women too, I have a low partner count but I do away with past sexual partners and even romantic-only partners because my exs always wanted to come back whenever I had a new boyfriend.
This made my current boyfriend incredibly jealous and insecure, so I gave everyone a swift block.
I could see why this would be a major turnoff for guys too.

No one wants to feel like they are still competing for a man or woman's companionship when they are already in a relationship with them. It's exhausting.

>>17959119
but the average, as in the mean, could not be different assuming we're only talking about hetereosexual sex regardless. every time a man has sex with a new female partner, that woman has sex with a new male partner. It takes two to tango. The median in almost certainly different and I agree that the male distribution of number of partners is probably much more skewed. Truthfully what I think happens is that guys fib a little in the positive direction and women fib in the negative direction.

>>17959033
To me it isn't about absolute qualities as much as it is about compatibility. I ultimately want to date someone with similar experience, taste and attitude when it comes to sex - open minded, sexual, but still committed and not interested in sex outside of a relationship.

I don't care about the number as much as having a similar mindset. Of course I couldn't date someone who fucked a thousand different people, but mostly because we'd have a different mindset.

Im a guy and about to finish college. If I liked a girl and her number was like 20, that I could live with. Im talking when I want to get married at around age 30. Anymore than 20 and its really questionable and off putting.

To me it's kind of who you had sex with and what kind. If it's just vanilla sex, that's different than a girl with the same number who has done gangbangs. Also I don't really like girls who do interracial stuff, so she's fucked a black guy that's an automatic no for me.

>>17959033
Just pump and dump the undesirables and save relationships to younger women with less partners and problems.

On an unrelated note for anyone wondering why the numbers look like that is because people lie their results and there might be some problems with sample. Either the sample is too small or targets successful men over less successful because of some systematic fault. Obviously in the real world both numbers are the same.

>>17959854
>younger women with less partners and problems.
Younger girls who date much older guys are pretty much always fucked in the head and full of drama.

>>17959033
Non-virgins are for one night stands. Virgins are for long term relationships and marriage.

>>17960035
Yawn. You're just cucking yourself by wanting something that doesn't exist. If you're old enough to be on 4chan, you're too old to find a virgin in the wild.

>>17960035
I always love this comment.
Unless your bride is waiting until marriage, your chances of divorcing if you fuck your virgin girlfriend before bringing her to the altar are actually higher than they are by marrying someone who has been fucked before.
The only reason to want a virgin if you plan to fuck her before marriage and is your insecurity.

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>>17959033
I think one to two every 5 years is healthy and shows that the person only sleeps with people they actuallt care about so they won't pull the kind of shit like "Well HE would do that!" Bitch I'm not gonna lick your asshole

Anyways, yeah. But the count starts around 15-16. So 2-3 by mid twenties is a good number.


THIS IS JUST ME. Don't attack me because we value different shit.

>>17959060
Average is misleading. Should eother be weighted or median.

>>17959795
im this guy and thought my standards were unreasonable, then I saw this guy >>17960035
and suddenly mine became much more reasonable.

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>>17960035
Eh, statistically speaking, Asians make for the best marriage investments in the West. But who knows, my qt Korean waifu might have treat me like a king everyday, loves me back the love with all the love I have for her--all the love in the world--because she was a virgin when we met, or because she was born+raised in Korea. I'm the happiest I can be in a relationship either way.

>>17960056
>>17960062
The meme "insecure" and "virgin" spouting posters have arrived in this thread. At least they probably mean better than the "cuck" spouting posters on /pol/.

>>17960100
Koreans have one of the highest divorce rate in eastern countries, almost 40% of their marriages end in divorce. Japan has high divorce rates too.

>>17960103
>marriage to Korean in Korea
>marriage to Korean in the West
The study casts light on one of these, the same one that is relevant to most of the Westerners on this forum.

>>17960108
Marriage white-to-asian has actually higher chances of failing than asian-to-asian, even in your own study.

>>17960113
>Asians make for the best marriage investments in the West
How am I wrong, though?

>>17960118
Yes. But you should go for one of the ethnicities with actually low divorce rate like Indians or Vietnamese. And maybe wait till marriage. So you can stay together forever.

>>17959328

>it's only okay to have sex with a lot of people if you're attractive

And this, friends, is why women deserve to have acid thrown in their face.

>>17959033
I don't care about numbers. There are alarm bells, but there are no dealbreakers. The more alarm bells, the more I have to like the guy to ignore them though.

>>17960232
Welcome to life. It is no different for women, men will gladly live with a woman with a slutty past if she's gorgeous and funny and an all around loving and supportive partner. If she has average looks, is cranky a lot and doesn't carry her weight in the relationship, fuck that noise.

Same for every other 'downside', personal or not. You don't get a prize for participation.

Ive only fucked 1 girl ever. Got blown by a few others and a couple make outs. But my standards are if shes had like 10 other dicks shes not relationship material unless she's absolutly gorgeous or rich. That being said I'm neither and will probably die alone

Amount of sexual partners - doesn't matter, as long the number falls somewhere between what one can consider "normal." Meaning, I don't see myself dating a virgin but that's purely cause it would be very strange if the guy of my age bracket had no experience with women what so ever. The actual lack of that isn't the main issue, but often times that's a clear indicator of some deep rooted insecurities or social issues, which however are a deal breaker for me. But if I was to meet a guy who was around my age and still a virgin and he'd also be normal and stable, sure I'd give it a go. But I have a heard time imagining a unicorn like that existing. I also wish that he has had some past experience with women, just cause it sure makes everything easier. I was a late bloomer myself and my first dating experiences were absolutely catastrophic. Trial and error etc.

Also a too high number (let's put it <100) would also be an issue cause I'd think that he is a sex addict or something.

>>17960902
>
good to know.
I have bad anxiety or im just shy. That's how i made it into my 20's as a male virgin despite being an 8/10 with girls throwing themselves at me.

Going to try to lose my virginity after I graduate and have a place of my own /job. Thanks, I'll be sure not to tell the girl so they dont think im damaged goods.

>>17959033
Someone showed me statistics saying girls are more promiscuous in the 60's-90's till now

My GF had sex with 8 people including me. All but 3 were one night stands. The three that weren't were her ex (the guy she lost her virginity to and her first real relationship), a friend with benefits, and me. At first it bothered me, but after getting to know her that changed. Her ex was very abusive (physically and emotionally) and after they broke up she started having one night stands as a form of escapism to try and get over him. She's talked about it with me and says that she regrets dealing with things that way and realizes it was unhealthy.
Like I said, it bothered me at first, but part of caring about someone is being understanding and realizing that everyone makes mistakes. If I was going to hold her past against her then she can hold mine against me and that doesn't make for a healthy relationship.

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>>17962297
> she regrets dealing with things that way
Why are you putting her on a guilt trip for her past sexual partners?

> everyone makes mistakes
Why do you see her other lovers as mistakes on her part? Because they weren't your magical dick? No one goes into a relationship thinking about the asshole they're going to date 8 years from now.

> doesn't make for a healthy relationship
It sounds like she's in another unhealthy relationship with an emotionally abusive asshole. (That would be you.)

Either accept her decisions without judging or break up with her. She doesn't have to listen to your sermons.

>>17959033
Yes, it matters. Scientific research tells us that it matters. If you want to get truly red-pilled on male-female realtionships, see

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/

You'll thank me later. As always, use at your own risk and your mileage may vary.

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>>17960232
>And this, friends, is why women deserve to have acid thrown in their face.

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>>17962360
>https://heartiste.wordpress.com/
> wordpress
> scientific
Stop plugging your shitty blog. And get a life.

>>17962371
And this us why I don't bother dating men. You're all fucking psychopaths.

>>17959102
But there's no way around the fact they men aren't going to give a shut about you in a year anyway. Personally I'm a Virgin and I'm not a fan of promiscuity but only because pregnancy is a risk. I've chosen to simply not date men at all as to avoid the part where they stop wanting me.

>>17959300
And I think men are incapable of loving us so I'm a Virgin by choice at 22. That didn't make me decide to go around purposefully hurting men in revenge or anything. Why do men like hurting us so much?

>>17959033
If she has had like 8 or 9 before me, I wouldn't even talk to her

>>17962378
>>https://heartiste.wordpress.com/
>> wordpress
>> scientific
>Stop plugging your shitty blog. And get a life.
1. It's not blog.
2. I have a life.
3. You're a fucking idiot. CH links to plenty of peer-reviewed scientific studies in many of his posts.

Example:
o Women are more selfish than men and more likely than men to bad-mouth their friends
Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394507/Women-selfish-men-likely-bad-mouth-friends-says-study.html

o Women are more likely to have serious mental health problems than men
Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/05/28/women-of-all-ages-more-likely-to-have-serious-mental-health-problems-than-men-report-says/?utm_term=.8e076eec4104

So: Fuck you, you sanctimonious sack of raccoon shit.

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I'm a Virgin at 22 by choice. I've always been good at figuring our when someone's trying to play me for sex and in my experience that's pretty much every single guy that's gone out with me. I haven't even had sex and I'm already too jaded and cynical to even date men anymore. I now believe the sole reason men have anything to do with us is sex. I hate that I think like that and I think it's ruined my future because I don't have much left to even hope for.

>>17962407
>And I think men are incapable of loving us so I'm a Virgin by choice at 22. That didn't make me decide to go around purposefully hurting men in revenge or anything. Why do men like hurting us so much?

Men are, more than women, capable of great love. The problem is this:

Men > women > children > cats

So, in the above formula, men love women, women love children, children love cats, and cats don't give a shit about anyone but themselves.

The Illimitable Man has an excellent post on why men will never find romantic love. You should look it up.

>>17962355
Lmao wow. What is reading comprehension? Notice where I said that SHE is the one who said that it was a mistake and an unhealthy way to deal with her problems. Those were conclusions that she came to on her own accord after going to counseling and a few support groups for women who were victims of abuse (neither of which were things I told her to do, but I was still very supportive of when she brought them up). Ive had my own issues as well and she is completely aware of them. We've always made an effort to be supportive of each other and we're both very open and understanding about each other's past. I do accept her decisions and would never try and make her feel bad about it as I know that would push her away, not to mention being a dick move in general. Believe it or not people can have sex and regret it based on thier own emotions and completely uninfluenced by the words or actions of others.

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>>17959300
>I always thought the lock/key analogy was sexist and stupid, and I have nothing against girls who sleep around a lot, but it is true. A guy with a higher number of partners is more impressive than a woman with a high number of partners.

It's only 'sexist and stupid' to people who know nothing about human nature. The analogy works because sperm is plentiful and eggs are scarce. Society doesn't give a shit about men but puts women on pedestals. Still does. Everywhere.

Men are cannon fodder in war, for example. But you hear about one fucking combat-related death of a woman soldier and you'll fucking hear about that from here to eternity.

Vastly more men die on the job than women, but do you ever hear about that?

3 out of 4 homeless people are men, but see this image. That image from a newspaper says it all:

Women are valued, men are not.

>>17962443
That's your opinion. I can't prove to you that I've loved as only I can truly know my own thoughts/feelings. But men themselves confirm that they do not love us when the chips are down. If a man isn't getting sex from a girl he'll think of her as completely worthless to him. Please explain to me how that behavior screams that men actually love US and not our fleeting bodies?

>>17962450
Idk why I'm trying to justify my relationship to some stranger on the internet. Probably for the same reasons you're trying to invalidate the relationship of some stranger on the internet.

>>17962458
>That's your opinion. I can't prove to you that I've loved as only I can truly know my own thoughts/feelings. But men themselves confirm that they do not love us when the chips are down. If a man isn't getting sex from a girl he'll think of her as completely worthless to him. Please explain to me how that behavior screams that men actually love US and not our fleeting bodies?

You're kidding, right?

Everything our civilization is built on in the West is based on the core social group, the family. One mother, one father, and children. For hundreds of years men have been shamed and blamed, from Kant on, to curb their sexual needs and desires and put it "to the family" unit. Job, working himself to death, defending community.

Shakespeare, Milton, The Beatles.

Men pine for romantic love; women are too stupid and narcissistic and shallow to see it.

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>>17962439
> peer-reviewed scientific studies
> Example:
> dailymail
> washingtonpost

>>17959033
This chart is wrong. It's now known that both genders lie about number of sex partners. Men tend to "lie up" (report higher number), and women tend to "lie down" (report lower number) of sex partners than they actually have. I recall a research article recently that discovered this. For decades, though, this was a known problem because the numbers just simply didn't fit.

>>17962461
I think you suffer from cognitive dissonance.
You say they pine for romantic love all while calling us stupid, narcissistic and shallow. Doesn't that mean you yourself only see us as having value purely in our sexuality as you clearly think who we are is detestable? I find most men think like that.Writing poetry about how much you want to use our bodies does not = love. Also I don't think the family unit has anything to do with this.

>>17962465
>>>17962439 (You)
>> peer-reviewed scientific studies
>> Example:
>> dailymail
>> washingtonpost
You didn't even look at the article, did you? It's a news article that uses the research report....WHY THE FUCK AM I EVEN TRYING TO EXPLAIN HOW THIS WORKS TO AN AUTIST LIKE YOU?

>>17962461
> Shakespeare
You realize that the Bard only wrote the sonnets because he was trying to cheat on his wife, right?

> Milton
Paradise Lost?

> The Beatles
How fucking old are you?
https://youtu.be/hU9hjVCbRd4

You know that the song is NOT about a girl named Lucy, right?

>>17962472
>I think you suffer from cognitive dissonance.
Hardly. I can grasp a wide range of subject matter and see the spectrum of attitudes and opinions and facts. That's called genius.

>You say they pine for romantic love all while calling us stupid, narcissistic and shallow.
I did not intend to suggest "all men". There is a range, just as there is in women. A range. A r.a.n.g.e.

Take your typical basement-dwelling Chan NEET and line him up with a meathead from the local gym and a neckbeard from your local uni and then a young attorney and a modern young man writer you'll have...viola!...a wide range.

Do all men want all the same thing? Of course not. But, there is in men, I think, a need to seek "their other." Over centuries this has been honed into what we moderns call "romantic love." In Shakespeare's day, there was chivalry. That's been jettisoned now since the 1960s, thanks to nutty feminists.

I can say "men pine" and at the same time call women the oldest teenager in the house because it's a generality. Will there be exceptions to this rule? Of course. But it's a generality because it fits, generally.

>Doesn't that mean you yourself only see us as having value purely in our sexuality as you clearly think who we are is detestable?

Of course not. I'm a Christian and I see the two genders in complementary terms. At the same time I can also see how U.S. society and The West in general is deteriorating. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not informed.

Where did I ever say, Women are detestable? That's ridiculous. Science tells us women are more tired, more selfish, and weaker and less smart than men. "Detestable"? Hardly.

>I find most men think like that.

You're not finding the right men. That's on you, not on them.

>Writing poetry about how much you want to use our bodies does not = love.

Um. You don't Shakespeare much, do you? Read some love poetry by Dylan Thomas. Sheesh.

>Also I don't think the family unit has anything to do with this.

baka

I have had one partner (my gf) while my gf has had three before me. Why does this make me feel so useless?

I probably would not date a woman with a promiscous history, although I do not have a hard and set number. Behavior also matters a lot. Say there were two women that had each slept with 5 men. One of them had been entirely through casual sex, the other was in her mid twenties and they had all been in serious relationships of varying length. Even though their partner count is the same, the one who only had casual sex would be a much bigger red flag to me. Obviously it's much more nuanced in the real world.

I don't really understand the men that would pump and dump a woman if they knew her history was something they didn't want to deal with though. That pretty much dismantles any argument involving personal values if they're hypocritical about it.

>I also don't understand why men that have had many sex partners are considered more attractive.
Because it indicates they're desirable. Inverse for virginity. Women on other websites will generally admit as much, but I have noticed that perspective has been losing ground.

>>17959119
>I mean how would that even work?
Essentially many men sleeping with a few women. I don't find it to be all that of an extraordinary claim. I've seen plenty of situations where a woman essentially ingratiates herself into a mostly male social circle and gets passed around basically.

>>17962458
>If a man isn't getting sex from a girl he'll think of her as completely worthless to him.
Yes, men want sex and get frustrated if they go an extended period without it. You know women want sex too though right? Take a gander at r/relationships or some other place with a more even gender distribution and you'll see women kvetching about how their partner never wants to have sex because of depression or whatever else. A healthy sex life is generally important in a relationship.

Obviously some handle it more or less gracefully, but it is still an issue to be resolved regardless of how mature the relationship is.

>>17962490
>> Shakespeare
>You realize that the Bard only wrote the sonnets because he was trying to cheat on his wife, right?

Love is love, right?

>> Milton
>Paradise Lost?

His passages on the relationship between Adam and Eve are sublime.

>> The Beatles
>How fucking old are you?
>https://youtu.be/hU9hjVCbRd4 [Embed]
>You know that the song is NOT about a girl named Lucy, right?

You are a certifiable idiot. Did you REALLY suppose that I thought "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" and "All You Need Is Love" weren't written by the same band that wrote "Revolution 9"? What in the actual fuck is wrong with you? I'm in my mid 50s; I know every single Beatles album.

>>17959033
i maintain a strict "dont ask, dont tell" policy when it comes to the body count

>>17962499 the family unit exists because it is the most successful child rearing structure we have. It is about survival and stability, not romantic love.
You believe we're lesser than men. You believe that everything that makes a woman a woman other than her body makes her inferior to you in every way. Maybe that's true but I'm not here to argue about equality. How can you believe men love women when pretty much all of them think this way about women? How can you possibly argue that you only care about out bodies?
I should say that I myself do not think I am deserving of love. But I cannot help feeling rejected as a human by men as a whole and I cannot help feeling emotionally anguished about that.

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>>17962473
> Cites a blog
> That interprets a newspaper article
> From a newspaper with half naked women on page 3
> That interprets another article
> That may not even be peer reviewed
> Calls it scientific proof
If you don't realize the flaw in that chain, you're beyond reason. May I suggest Fox news?

> WHY THE FUCK AM I EVEN TRYING TO EXPLAIN
Desperation for attention?

>>17962534
Women like songs about love. We're retarded like that. Men write love songs to entertain women for either sex or in the Beatles case FINANCIAL GAIN. Duuuh

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>>17962553
>May I suggest Fox news?
Do you mean CNN?

>>17959033
Nope.

Caveat: If someone has been with, like, 100 people by age 22, then maybe there's a sign that something is actually terribly wrong, like abuse, but if that's the case then you'll know about it before you learn the Number.

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>>17962534
> Love is love, right?
Now we know what you're doing out in the barnyard every night.

>>17962407
>>17962442
I hope y'all are telling the guys you see that you're a virgin. I'd imagine some guys standards would change from needing to fuck by date 3 vs waiting longer if they felt really into you. That is, mine would.

>>17962548
white male here:

Aside from women being physical weaker and generally the more emotional sex, I don't think less of them.

I don't want kids but I want someone. I want a partner who is my intellectual equal and shares similar hobbies we can do together. Someone with a similar outlook on life. I don't want to make all the decisions, I want an intelligent wife who can make those with me. I don't want a girl to do all the house work, we can split it.


A women's looks are important to me just as mine are to her, I don't expect someone to fuck me if Im gross and she's a model. I look for mutual physical attraction. I expect no more from a girl looks wise, than I am...I probably expect less from a girl since Im fit.

>>17962587
There is no relationship without sex, it's called friendship and even that is often pointless with most women as they tend to be pretty boring.

>>17962576
They SAY theyd be willing to wait but they later reveal that they're only into me for sex at some point or get bored and move on themselves.
Men have a really bad habit of sticking their foot in their mouths around me. I assume it's because they think I'm too "stupid and vapid" to know what emotional manipulation sounds like. I swear some guys read directly from a pua book word for word.*edit*

>>17962595
Yeah I know. You're realy reinforcing my prudish shut in decisions here

>>17962596
Well just chalk it up to no chemistry. Not every man reads pua material.

>>17962604
It's your fault for falling to the meme that women can't enjoy sex and shouldn't have it.

If a man has fucked his way through half the neighborhood I will have 0 interest in them as a romantic interest or even as a friend.

I assume it works the same the same way towards women.

>>17962611
Haha. my libido is alive and kicking thanks. I don't have sex because Ive never been in a commited relationship and I don't believe in aimless promiscuity for moral reasons.
Besides my hands can't emotionally wound me so ill stick with them unless I'm proven wrong about love.

>>17962609
Even men in relatoinships talk about it like it's a chore . I never ever want to find myself in that situation.

>>17962637
Naaah that's because he can't complain about you to you. Also y'all generally take us for granted when we declare our undying love.

>>17962637
You know it varies a lot between relationships right?

Of course an unhealthy relationship is going to be like a chore, no one wants to be there. People just don't gush about it when their relationship IS healthy on the flipside. People like to bitch rather than go on about how awesome things are.

>>17962648
I can't say anyone's declared their "undying love" for me so I can't really comment on that. Someone once tried to black mail me for sex though. Does that count? *sarcasm*

>>17962553
>>>17962473 (You)
>> Cites a blog
>> That interprets a newspaper article
>> From a newspaper with half naked women on page 3
>> That interprets another article
>> That may not even be peer reviewed
>> Calls it scientific proof
>If you don't realize the flaw in that chain, you're beyond reason. May I suggest Fox news?

I worked in newspapers for years back in the day, before I got into the medical communications field, where I was a medical writer and editor on literally thousands of peer-reviewed journal articles. And, surprise, surprise, I served as Editor-in-Chief on a well-known journal for a number of years.

1. I know what science is and is not, and I know what news articles are and are not
2. Satisfied?

>> WHY THE FUCK AM I EVEN TRYING TO EXPLAIN
>Desperation for attention?

Hardly. I get more than enough attention in my personal and public life. I'm merely trying to help people here. As always, some people don't want help, and they can't be educated.

>>17962555
>>>17962534 (You)
>Women like songs about love. We're retarded like that. Men write love songs to entertain women for either sex or in the Beatles case FINANCIAL GAIN. Duuuh

In some cases men are driven by fame and sexual gain. Look at Gene Simmons. In other cases, men are driven by their art. Look at REM or Radiohead.

>>17962566
>>>17962534 (You)
>> Love is love, right?
>Now we know what you're doing out in the barnyard every night.

That's funny, that picture is. Is that your mom or your sister? I can't tell, because I fucked both.

>>17959044
If there is weird shit growing down their, it's a trap!

I don't consider men who had more/a lot of sexual partners as attractive. On the contrary; I'm sort of afraid they're walking herpes machines. Same counts for girls.

I guess the amount of people had sex before you kind of scales to how many times you had sex. I understand I find myself in a rather traditional situation, always having had one sexual partner in my life, but I do understand people often have more sexual partners. I know I'd have to change my standards considering my age, but I think I'd have trouble and would get insecure when a guy has had more than 7 sexual partners than me (which would add up to about one partner every two years, which really isn't that realistic nowadays). But I guess that's the way I feel; a guy who has slept around a lot would take some serious getting used to as this is so far off from how I lived my life.

>>17962635
>>>17962611
>Haha. my libido is alive and kicking thanks. I don't have sex because Ive never been in a commited relationship and I don't believe in aimless promiscuity for moral reasons.
>Besides my hands can't emotionally wound me so ill stick with them unless I'm proven wrong about love.

"Alive and kicking" to a woman means nothing to a man. See:

Across many different studies and measures, men have been shown to have more frequent and more intense sexual desires than women, as reflected in spontaneous thoughts about sex, frequency and variety of sexual fantasies, desired frequency of intercourse, desired number of partners, masturbation, liking for various sexual practices, willingness to forego sex, initiating versus refusing sex, making sacrifices for sex, and other measures. No contrary findings (indicating stronger sexual motivation among women) were found. Hence we conclude that the male sex drive is stronger than the female sex drive.

Original study: http://psr.sagepub.com/content/5/3/242.abstract

I've seen other reports that claim women who have been given testosterone injections for medical reasons have actually said words to the effect: "I don't know how men go around all day with this amount of energy inside them and not punch people out and assault women."

After I read that, I knew there was little hope between the two sexes, because women do not care to understand men, and men, while they want to understand women, won't believe how women really do "think".

>>17962690 Um... I'm not sure why you felt the need to launch this at me but I feel you're taking my comment a tad out of context but I shall humor you.
It is common knowledge that men have higher sex drives and I was not trying to say that my sex drive is equal to most men's. It is not a competition. I was simply clearing up the assumption that I am uninterested in sex.