Hi /adv/ I've come to the realisation that I'm talent-less.

>>17822126
>No part of me of a person is of an average level of aptitude and skill that can be considered useful.
You named only one relevant thing, drawing. It's not something you improve by "being talented" just like any other skill it's about practice.

How long did you practice it to decide that you're not good at it?

>>17822126
I feel somewhat similar

talent is overrated, you just need practice and dedication to get good at anything

I heard a quote from Bob Dylan (who just won a nobel prize for literature btw) the other day, where he said that the trick to writing a great song is to first write a thousand awful ones.

Goes a bit hand in hand with what Edison said about genius being 99% perspiration 1% inspiration. You'll never get anywhere if you just give up. Lets see some of your art and maybe we can give you some advice.

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>>17822384
>99% perspiration

Find something that interests you that takes time to learn as a skill rather than something which requires natural talent. There are hundreds of ways and things you can dedicate yourself to and over time, you will gain a skill which will be worth more than natural talent.

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It doesn't sound like you practiced anything OP. Most people attempt just magically talented, the greatest athletes have been training for years. The same thing for musicians and artists in general.

You seem to give up easily expecting results, that was me, but I keep going along with things now and I'm better for it. There has to be dedication.

>>17822396
good one

>>17822149

Pretty much never. I draw when I'm in the mood and then I stop. I've never actually tried to be good at it, I just drag a pencil across a piece of paper for fun.

>>17822483

>You seem to give up easily expecting results

Part of the reason why I hate myself

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>>17822126

To things. One, being good at something usually takes practice. Often years and years as has been said. Thats a fact of life. I coach a sport at a high level and the people i coach have been at this for a very long time.

Two, most people do have a thing or two that they are naturally good at and with practice get very good. Its just a question of finding what it is.

>>17822126

pick something you LIKE. then focus on that for 5 years. you will be good at it.

you will never be the best at something. you may never be 'great'. but people are starting to act like you have to be GREAT at something.

most people who think they're GREAT at something are only thinking this becuase of their limited scope. they don't see beyond the tiny community they've risen to the top of. they are big fish in a small pond. we all are.

if you are looking to find meaning and validation, stick with drawing, team up with me (im a shitty writer) and we'll make a webcomic that will be enjoyed by a couple thousand people/

>>17822507
>I've never actually tried to be good at it, I just drag a pencil across a piece of paper for fun.
So what the fuck do you expect? You don't even know if you have talent for something if you didn't try to do the thing seriously.

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>>17822126

Draw this room in 3d and explain how you did it. If you can't, you never even tried.

>>17822722
>Find something you like, do it for 5 years, git gud
Uh, no. Sorry, doesn't work like that. Talent is a real thing and if you actually spent any time in social environments, like every standard human being who went to school, you'd see immediately that some have it and the rest are just here to do the menial jobs. Just like OP said, I drew, played games, thought my math skills were something. Even stuck to them when everyone else would shit on it for being nerdy. Doesn't guarantee you'll become something worth while, especially in the digital age where people no longer have to make due with the skill that's around them, they can just outsource to where the real skill is and knock everyone else out of the water.

There's a reason why they're called "starving artists".

>>17822126
Continue drawing, get good enough at it to be happy

>>17822634
>I coach a sport at a high level
Not related to the thread, but I need some advice from you.
I've been thinking of coaching one of the teams of my basketball club next year. We're all scrubs who are in it for the fun, so I guess it can't really hurt to try it out, especially since they don't have a coach this year.
>What sport do you coach?
>What's it like? How do you like it?
>How do you deal with players who have an attitude?
>How do you command authority, especially as a nooby?
>Any general tips/tricks/resource material?

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>>17822779

>There's a reason why they're called "starving artists".

Art is not a typical industry. Some fields, music, art, sports, car racing, competition shooting, etc, etc - you have to be ELITE in to make REAL money. If you picked a field like that without the pre-reqs, well, you are an idiot.

Other fields, competency comes with time put into it, as affected by IQ, quality of instruction, focus, etc.

Long story short, you CAN get to a "good" level at something without talent (which is another long discussion). Getting past good is a whole story altogether, which is not applicable to this thread.

However, denying that it takes a lot of consistent of effort for an average person to git good is absolutely delusional.

Welcome to the club my friend. Not all of us can have super powers! Cheer up! There's actually more of us average fucks than super gifted people.

>>17822786

>How do you deal with players who have an attitude?
>How do you command authority, especially as a nooby?

Don't presume to teach when you aren't above average.

>>17822798
Makes me think back to when we were 5, kids were running around doing silly things like flipping their eyelids or handstands. They run up to you, like "what can you do"?

Sucks when you just shrug your shoulders and they run off again from instant boredom. Like a preview of what's to happen for the rest of your life.

>>17822800
I can't really say I'm above average game-wise (I've only started playing recently, I'm pretty decent so far), but I'm certainly better than the people I will possibly be coaching. Also, I think I have a better understanding of the game/system than most people in my club, so there's that.

>>17822819

I was going to say "well, if you want to be king of shit", but then I realized how much time I spend giving advice to /adv/, so I really have no room to talk.

>>17822779
> you'd see immediately that some have it and the rest are just here to do the menial jobs
I generally was one of the best in school while never trying, skipping most of the time and had teachers, already accomplished people who knew me and other kids raving about my bright future etc, etc, etc ... now I am just some college dropout (although voluntary) while some of the kids who seemed to dumb to tie their shoelaces back in school either started their own business or work for fortune 500 companies (in good positions). Many of the "smart kids" back there, ended up in pretty basic white collar jobs or even without any. School is probably the worst indicator of future success.

Also tons of artists who starved in the past got universal acclaim now, so it's given that some of todays artists nobody cares about will get their share of attention at some point.

You can't tell whether you have a talent or not right away; and talent alone is worthless either way.

>>17822832

>School is probably the worst indicator of future success.

Load of shit. School determines whether or not you get a scholarship and get accepted into a good program. It's a good indicator of future success barring outside factors like rich parents, connections, and chance.

>>17822824
>king of shit
Why/how? I was just asking for advice regarding something I might want to do in order to benefit myself (self-development) as well as the club (they get a coach/trainer)

>>17822845

You all need a real teacher.

>>17822851
For which there is no money. These are all just guys who are in it for the fun, and will never be any good. It's just a bunch of uni students having fun and playing a sport which is really unpopular in my country. I just want to contribute, which is why I asked that guy for advice.

>>17822859

Go for it, that was my just .05, but it's based on the expectation people want to not be shit at what they do.

Realise that being skilled at something isn't the only thing that matters in life. Do you take pleasure out of drawing and video games? If yes, then does it matter if you're good at them?

>>17822864
I know that I will be shit, especially in my first year, but I was just looking for some input regarding some obstacles I thought I might face (there's a guy on that team who sometimes seems to have beef with me, as there is always some tension between us, henceforth my question about authority etc.).
My expectation is that I will grow from the experience one way or the other, and that, if I like it, I will improve. My questions really do not have much to do with the thread, I just saw the coach anon in the comments and wanted to ask him some things.
Thanks, I guess

>>17822837
>whether or not you get a scholarship and get accepted into a good program
Which still doesn't mean much. The entire point of university is connections (and getting a scholarship to a prestigious school only raises your chance to make them), without these you're going to remain a drone no matter how fantastic your degree is, just with a better pay.

>>17822957
This. "Friends" are just supposed to be practice for business partners later on it life.

>>17822126
I would advise you to read Mastery by George Leonard. Yes, you are talentless you know why? Because talent doesn't exist. When everyone is born they can do absolutely nothing you have to learn everything from scratch and the only reason there are people that are better at something for the first time is because of the randomness of what they learned beforehand. That's why I recommend you this book because the author makes a very strong case for this argument so if you want to master anything at some point in your life read this fucking book!

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>>17822763

>If you can't, you never even tried.

Trying to draw or trying to explain? Because I'm useless at explaining things. All I did was look at your picture and imagine what it would look like in my head, then I drew that. Obviously I dont understand perspective well enough to make it look real.

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>>17822126

Talent is useless without hardwork.

You're a dull cunt if you actually think that everyone is supposed to be naturally amazing at something; like the fact that you can't just pick up a skill and immediately be great at it is somehow a negative trait.

No, you find what you love to do and practice it until you're great.

>>17823473

But why? Why are humans so fucking shit? Why does the human brain take YEARS of painful repetition and practice to absorb any valuable wisdom? Why does it take SO long?? I don't expect to be great at something within hours or days, but what about weeks or a few months? Why is progress so slow??