I have an opportunity to fuck my hairdresser. She is 40, smoking

>>17772023
I'd fuck her. 70% of affairs lead to relationships not falling apart but in fact getting stronger. Isnt a cool thing to happen but let's be honest you aren't really anything but a consenting partner at this point. if it wasn't you it would be Joe fantastic down the road. Just don't expect it to turn into anything other than sex and you are golden.

>>17772032

Yeah I have no desire to date her or anything. She has 2 teenage kids so fuck that.

I bet 10 years ago she wouldn't have looked twice at me. She's still gorgeous. Amazing what women will do when they are get a bit older.

I'm concerned about her using a fling as ammo against her huband. I don't want any comebacks on this if I go for it.

>>17772032
>70% of affairs lead to relationships getting stronger
whats your source?

>>17772023
its ok to fuck her but just remember you are not the only dick she is cultivating or has had throughout her marriage. What I mean is to fuck is fine but to fall for her and expect some type of relationship is trouble with a capital T

>>17772054
A Ted talk from a researcher/marriage councillor exclusively working in the field of troubled relationships. I think it's called cheating is not the end or some shit. You can find it on YouTube.
>>17772053
I wouldn't be scared. Unless her husband is some crazy Chad. But even then you can always call the police. Just don't get caught and if he does find out it won't be your fault it'll be hers. The same would be the case if the husband cheated too mind.
Youre fairly safe go for it.

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>>17772065
Cheating would definitely be the end of her

>>17772065

I can't quite believe its happening. Older women, who knew

>>17772023
Don't let yourself fuck her more than once tho. You don't want to get involved and have more trouble.

>>17772130

This is the thing. If she only wants a one off while husband is away then thats fine. I know I'm going to be tempted for more though if she's up for it. And she only lives 5 minutes from my house.

Are you me? I went through almost this exact scenario 4 months ago.

If she were divorced id say go for it. But she is in fact married. Occasionally married men do some crazy shit, like shoot men that fuck their wives.

I'm not saying you should not do it, but fucking a married woman carries some risk.

Let us know what happens op.

Got pics?

>>17772032
>using empirical data to justify infidelity
>muh someone else will do it so I might aswell maximise my own advantage

Spengler was right.

>>17772023
OP you are a scoundrel if you proceed with this encroachment. What virtue are you demonstrating by fulfilling your adolescent fantasy?

>>17772140

No guns here, I'm a Britcuck. Shit, I've just realised. I might actually get to legit cuck someone else for a change.

No pics I'm going to share right now. I knowI'm going to fuck her, guess I'm just battling with my conscience.

>>17772023
Go for it. Might even save their marriage.

>>17772144

>OP you are a scoundrel if you proceed with this encroachment. What virtue are you demonstrating by fulfilling your adolescent fantasy?

As I said, I would never have had the balls to try it with her. She has been flirting with me heavily recently when I get my haircut and now she has asked me to her house to get drunk whist hubby is away. I'm the innocent party here, I'm a shy nice guy being seduced by an older woman.

That said, I will do unspeakable things to her should I follow through in this scenario.

>>17772157
Do it. Then speak about them.

>>17772065
well I couldn't find it, but anyways, to me that sounds like bullshit. How can a relationship become stronger after a breech of trust? The only way I can imagine it happening is that they figure out there's a problem and start working on it, but they shouldn't need an affair in order to realize that. But then again, being the cynical fuck that I am I can easily imagine so many relationships having communication issues so who knows.

OP, don't try to justify it. You're helping her cheat on her husband to get your dick wet. It's an act that's generally considered immoral. If you're fine with that do it and never look back, you're not conditioned by someone elses morality. But if you're not fine with that, if you think it's wrong and bad and whatever and are just looking for a loophole to justify it don't do it. Don't break your moral code and principles to get your dick wet.

>>17772157
You are a functioning adult, yes? Then you are not innocent. You are letting yourself be seduced knowing that she is married. Your fault is on equal footing as hers.

Your "ballslessness" is your conscience showing - it is not an absence of courage.

>I will do unspeakable things to her should I follow through in this scenario.

"Things" you live out in your private time with pornography, scenario upon scenario?

>>17772144
Considering monogamy is to humans as unnatural as sitting while you shit yeah. Humanity has only very recently created a society that rewards and accepts perfect fidelity between partners. The fact that most relationships will at some point suffer from infidelity is testament to how human biology has evolved.
Op is doing nothing wrong here he isn't the one that made an arbitrary contract with someone that meant they couldn't fuck around. Op isn't the one that takes onus for this action it is the Wan that does. And besides that the requirement of perfect fidelity in a relationship is a myth that isn't tenable given the sheer genetic thrust in the opposite direction. Emotional long term can work for some and fewer still are even sexually content with one person. But to expect that on entire populations is folly.
Bust a nut op we believe in you

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>>17772023
pic related

>>17772177
>unnatural
fallacy
>The fact that most relationships will at some point suffer from infidelity is testament to how human biology has evolved.
to what "state" has it evolve(d)? does it stop evolving?

>arbitrary contract
it is not "arbitrary", but legal

>Op isn't the one that takes onus for this action it is the Wan that does
deontologically he ALSO does

>And besides that the requirement of perfect fidelity in a relationship is a myth that isn't tenable given the sheer genetic thrust in the opposite direction.
where do genes "thrust" and why would it justify moral positions?

>>17772175
Because relationshits are about communication and the worst thing that could happen isn't cheating but ceasing of communication, it's pure poison turning an once passionate relationship into cold co existing, that makes both feel more lonely and misunderstood than they'd felt if they were actually alone.

Something like cheating forces the partners to communicate and rethink things; more often than not, that can invigorate it all.

>>17772177
Considering using a computer to take advice from humans you can't even see in the eyes is as unnatural as sitting while you shit yeah. Humanity has only very recently created computers that rewards the timid and introvert. The fact that it took so long for introverts to have an even levelled playing field is a testament to have human biology has evolved.

>>17772137
If you only want to do it once, you just have to say it's going to be a one-off thing.
That is, if you actually want to. This will be difficult to say after you fucked her.

>>17772204
Morals are generally based on what benefits society or humanity the most. I.e. don't kill people because if everyone killed everyone then there would be no more society. Infidelity is not morally objectionable on that level simply because there are no real consequences aside from those we arbitrarily choose.

The illegality is not in sex outside of marriage. A great many marriages and relationships exist and are sustainable with multiple sexual partners. And adultery was decriminalised in most countries decades ago.

>>17772227
Yet it only enables desires people have through their genetic ancestry millions upon millions of years of trial, error and success.
>>17772204
How is it a fallacy humans have never been monogamous and most monogamous animals are only so in the field of child care and are sexually anything but.

>2 kids
nah man don't do it. don't fuck with their lives just for a night of pussy. if her marriage will end in affair one way or another it's inevitable but don't be the catalyst. also this goes double if she can't support her children on her own and triple if her husband is a crazy fuck who will be gunning for you.

There's just too many potential negatives anon don't do it. she may be fine as fuck and nothing may ever come of it but if it does you'll have that guilt forever.

>>17772327
>Morals are generally based on what benefits society or humanity the most.
you mean laws right, instead of morals in this context?

also, one can argue that monogamy is, and has been, preferred and enforced in society because it benefits society the most

monogamy is synonymous with higher civilisation, but these arguments speak, of course, little of the moral aspect of BREAKING monogamy in OP's case

>I.e. don't kill people because if everyone killed everyone then there would be no more society.
Yes and we can derive universal maxims from this
>because there are no real consequences aside from those we arbitrarily choose.

seems like you argue from BOTH consequentialism and deontological ethics

make your mind up

>A great many marriages and relationships exist and are sustainable with multiple sexual partners.
Yes, but I assume these people agree to having these multiple sexual partners?

>The illegality is not in sex outside of marriage.
>And adultery was decriminalised in most countries decades ago.
besides the point

>>17772343
>How is it a fallacy humans have never been monogamous and most monogamous animals are only so in the field of child care and are sexually anything but.

because those assumptions appeal to nature, which is not an axiom to be accounted for when we argue about ethics

also, that there are people that have been monogamous their whole lives disprove your assumptions about "human nature"

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>>17772327
>morals
>society
>"don't kill people because society"
>benefits
>morally objectionable

spooky

>>17772065
>cheating is not the end

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>>17772396
Statistically it's clearly not.
http://www.dearpeggy.com/results.html

Maybe you'll grow up too one day.

>>17772408
When I grow up, I'll be okay with my spouse cheating? My dad cheated for 20 years and I see what kind of strain it put on my parent's marriage. I'll never do that to someone I love, nor tolerate it.

>>17772408
>extrapolating from some endemic therapy study that you should not break it off from an unfaithful partner because """""statistically"""" things might get better from now on, in whatever little degree


ah yes

>>17772416
Statistics don't tell us what YOU will do, they simply show that cheating isn't the end for most marriages and shit can improve afterwards.

> I see what kind of strain it put on my parent's marriage
It'd probably put an even bigger strain on you if they divorced, and kids should be more important. Though I wonder if there is actually a comparison between kids who grow up with divorced parents and in a strained marriage, and which had the more negative effect. Pretty much every single person I know who had divorced parents had a damn dysfunctional childhood with side effects affecting their adulthood. Strained marriage is pretty tricky to define too

>>17772417
>statistically
Everybody can drop anecdotal evidence to support whatever they want, but with objective data we actually get the big picture.

>>17772450
>Statistics don't tell us what YOU will do, they simply show that cheating isn't the end for most marriages and shit can improve afterwards.

They're irrelevant if anon will dump the partner as soon as he realizes he was cheated on.

Sorry to burst your bubble cuck fetishist, but your statistics are meaningless when it comes to the scope of this thread.

And you are a cuck fetishist. It's disgusting how you're trying to convince others to jump on board your degeneracy. Kill yourself.

>>17772450
I am not supposing that your """""objective""""" data is invalid, but that it is unreasonable that one should use it as a justification in staying with an unfaithful partner.

>>17772464
Given that we don't know shit about OPs milfs husband, statistics are our only sensible way to estimate where it will go afterwards.

Also please, I am not into the whole marriage bullshit, so the whole cuck this, cuck that is the pot calling kettle black. Limiting yourself to one partner with a high chance that one will cheat or divorce in the long run is optimistic at best. Desperate hits it better though.

>>17772477
>but that it is unreasonable that one should use it as a justification in staying with an unfaithful partner
Which the data contradicts. Maybe you can find better one instead of going by your gut """feeling""".

>>17772502
>statistics are our only sensible way to estimate where it will go afterwards.

How about asking him, you retard? You idiots pull one survey up and you think you've mastered sociology. Do you realize this is not how science works? Do you realize we form scientific consensus based on numerous surveys across many decades of research, not just one opinion article or one doctor trying to sell books?

No, you don't, because you want to pretend to be learned without actually putting in the time and effort to knowing your shit. One survey never does scientific fact make.

>so the whole cuck this, cuck that is the pot calling kettle black

"NO UR A KEK"

You're an idiot, and a fetishist trying to force other people to adopt his fetish (badly). Kill yourself.

>>17772032

> 70% of affairs lead to relationships not falling apart but in fact getting stronger

t. cheater

Seriously, the mind bends you shitters go through to justify your extremely shitty behavior are fucking unbelievable.

I really wish we'd go back to simpler days, when we just killed adulterers or tortured them to death in front of the whole tribe, for the sake of the whole community.

>>17772023
Just fucking do it. Fuck her for as long as you can, as hard as you can, and do it without protection. Then, when she's been properly fucked, cut your losses and run.

>>17772979
I agree. Fuck these degenerates. Nobodies got any fucking decency until they get their little heart smashed by the same bullshit they did.

>>17773124
Hope you get cucked anon.

>>>17770921
Go read this thread dog.
See what you'd be doing you prick.

I never thought I'd be a cheater or anything. My mom cheated on my dad and I hated her for a long time because of it.

Then I met this girl at work, and after a while I fell in love with her. I was still in my early to mid twenties and a little naive. She had a 7 year relationship with this guy, and I didn't want to mess that up, but I didn't back off and I let myself get caught up in the moment. She asked if she could come to my place to "watch some movies" one time, and even had the poor guy drive her and drop her off. Then she cuddled up to me in my bed, started kissing me all over my cheeks and hugging me, and then eventually climbed up on top of me and dry humped the shit out of me. Although I made a bunch of bad decisions to get myself into that situation in the first place, I chose not to fuck her.

Then she broke up with him sometime later and we fucked into the double digits in one night.

But honestly, if I ask myself if I ever participated in cheating, I feel like I did, because at any point I could have and did know it was gonna end up with something inappropriate happening, but I didn't do anything to avoid that at any step of the way until the end.

And now I have to live with myself, and if any girlfriend asks me if I've ever cheated I would have to tell her that story, and she might rightfully think less of me.

My point is, if you have a conscience, and think you might regret it, then don't do it man. Not only do I know it fucks with the kids because I've been there from the kid's perspective, but it fucks with you too. Are you gonna be okay with yourself knowing you're a cheater?

>>17772032
>70% of affairs lead to relationships not falling apart
An affair is an extreme betrayal of trust and under any circumstance an extreme betrayal of trust is a huge devastating life changing blow to any relationship. There is absolutely no way that something like that could contribute to a relationship getting better and the person you sourced citing that statistic is wrong and very out of touch to interpret an affair as healthy in any way whatsoever. Even if the marriage continues after an affair, there is significant damage to that relationship that may never heal and if the children ever find out they'll never see their mother the same way. And making the relationship worse between a mother and children is one of the saddest things that can ever happen to a family.

OP does not understand the very real sad consequences of doing something like this. Even though she would probably cheat on her husband with somebody else that isn't OP that doesn't give OP permission to do this or make it OK for them to do this. OP, if you value being a good person and the positive consequences on your life of being one, you'll step down from this and inform her husband that she is doing this. He needs to know.

>>17772511
>Do you realize this is not how science works? Do you realize we form scientific consensus based on numerous surveys across many decades of research, not just one opinion article or one doctor trying to sell books?
I picked the survey because it's most suited for 4chan-level. Everything else would require deeper knowledge about the topics, which isn't exactly the point of the thread - besides, if you had this deeper understanding, you wouldn't argue about the basics.

Also nobody else found opposite results, making it "one study from a doctor who wants to sell books" vs "opinions from random people who get mad about cheating".

>How about asking him, you retard?
"Hey, would you mind if you wife banged some younger guy while you're away?"

Most would say no. Most would also say no to most changes in life unless they seem obviously better. In the end most people would accept them either way.

>>17772023
do it
there's a small chance you'll be fulfilling one HER fantasies

Put yourself in the husband's shoes, anon. That might be you someday.

Go for it faggot

Not your fault, hers, she'll fuck someone else if you dont

it's wrong, simple as that and the fantasy or want for things is often better than actually getting them.

>>17775064
What if her husband is out fucking other hairdressers married to other guys?

>>17775083
>the fantasy or want for things is often better than actually getting them.
>wanker detected

All this degeneracy makes me sick.

You need discipline and self control anon. You're letting this immoral woman get what she wants. Be a man and teach her a fucking lesson. I say go have drinks with her, but do not put a move on her. Put her in her place.

>>17775093
wanker for trying to off the right moral advice? hows your fucked up life going hahahahha

>>17775113
MUH MORALS ARE DIFFERENT FROM YOURS, FOLLOW THEM

>>17775083
You're a fucking idiot and a pussy

I bet this guy is a pathetic beta who has been cheated on countless times, so now it's against his morals to ever help a girl cheat, even though he'd never get the chance and probably doesn't get laid himself except by uglys and fattys, when in reality, she's going to cheat either way, you're not in the wrong, because you're not the one in the relationship, she is, and if you don't fuck her, she's going to look for it somewhere else, she's clearly unsatisfied. It's fucked up on her part, not yours, it's perfectly natural as a man, to accept an invitation to fuck a woman you're attracted to, you're just doing what we're hard wired to do. Fuck beautiful women.

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>>17775018
>>17775073
>>17775131
>>17775153

This is why the West is in decline. The Church needs to put you egoistic deviants in line.