Hey /adv/, I need some advice. I'm a 23 year old male from

Try harder or end it.

The choice is yours.

Keep in mind, your mom will be heartbroken if you choose to end it.

Cange something, anything. You need to change something now. Try to see soulutions instead of problems. Your brain is wired to only see problems in anything. Also get help.

Get in a class of some kind. community college would be great, but do anything, take an exercise class at the gym.
Learning new information always makes me happy, and distracts me from my depression.

>>17748714
OP, are you still there?

Embrace nihilism. Do whatever you want.

>>17748783
Still here, yeah. Not sure if I actually have the balls/effort to put a gun to my head, just really need to kick these bad thoughts.

>>17748793
Haha, I'm pretty much in your same situation, same age same troubles.

I think it's mostly about what that Carnegie Dale guy said, it was something like this: "Everyone on earth is pursuing happiness and there is one surefire way to attain it - control your thoughts. It doesn't depend on outwards conditions but only on inwards conditions. Essentially, it doesn't matter who you are, what you have or what you are doing, it only matters what you think about it."

So, the trouble we have is(or at least I have, I don't know your case in full detail)is that we have developed a toxic mindset due to failure, stress and past traumas in general.

What we really need is to scrub off our minds clear and restart building ourselves in a way or another.

I'll continue if it interests you

>>17748807
Lol, I'll continue anyway. I can't sleep so might as well.

The problem is in our minds bro

It's all in there. I wished so many times to put a bullet in that fucking brain that doesn't do its job and turns me into a wreck.

But I never did.

I always wanted to wake up another day to search for a way out of this hell.

Philosophy, psychology, anything.

And I saw that at the core of it it's all about the mind.

We must conquer our minds to regain our happiness

>>17748838
And how does that happen? Let's deconstruct the problem.

We start life as blank slates. As babies we're clean and act only on instincts.

We then grow up, and as we do our identity starts to form along with our ability to unterstand.

Where does our identity comes from?
From our surroundings.

>>17748843
Have you ever heard about feral children?

They are those kids that were abandoned in the wilds and grew up with animals and I think the term is also about those that anyway grow away from humanity.

What happens to them?They behave in the basis of what it's around them.
The kid that lived with dogs barks and growls, the one that lived with birds chirps and flaps his arms, and the one that lived alone in the dark sits motionless.

They absorbed what they had around them.

And when they got reintroduced to society the younger ones managed to absorb new concepts well and became normal people. The older ones always got stuck with a severe, incompassable disability.

And this is the proof of where our identity comes from. Our surroundings.

>you might think this is unrelated but it's not, watch

>>17748847
So. We grow and build an identity. And we go on with life. The identity is made of basic unities that we'll call "concepts". Concepts vary from zone to zone, family to family, and person to person. And the result varies wildly.

In the end, it's true that no man is an island and that you are nothing without the other and the other is nothing without you.

And so as I said life goes on...and then our identity, our collection of concepts changes with the new concepts we are exposed to. Some change, some hybridize some get supplanted.

And life goes on..however, it might happen what has happened to us, and in that case...

>>17748857
This is actually really brilliant and insightful, anon. Thank you, seriously.

>>17748857
In that case we have a serious problem to deal with.

Deconstructing it with the "concept system", the problem is simply that our current condition conflicts with the one we expect on the basis of our identity.

In simple words, we don't meet our expectations.

And at this point we're left with a handful choices(cont..)

>boy I do feel talky tonight

>>17748866
Glad to help, friend.

>>17748867
The choices are:
1) Satisfy said expectations.

That simply means if you're fat then you go on a diet and get fit; if you don't have an education you go study to get a degree yadda yadda

However, option 1 doesn't always ends as expected.

Life is extremely complex and many people's expectations unfortunately don't get fulfilled for a reason or another. And so , people who lost the life lottery have to choose option two or three.

2) Distractions

yes, that's the fuel of most addictions, if not all .
Aside the inherent chemical addictivness of the various actions and substances, these people choose to use whatever to forget(temporarily) that they have failed to meet their expectations.

Alcohol,drugs, vidya, porn, sex, violence, work, money, tv, masturbation--

All done to escape more and more. Until eventually they can't run anymore and Death snatches them., their last moment a whirpool of regret,sorrow and woe


cont...

>>17748878
3) Death
Other people simply cannot bear the pressure to have failed their expectations.

With their life goal out of their reach, they decide to end it because they lost the only thing that gave them motivation to live.


The father that lost his son in a car accident.
The boy that killed himself to escape abuse.
The lady who killed herself out of shame.
The man that killed himself because her loved leaved him.
The old man whose life has become a wreck because he lost all his money in a scam.

They are all the same.

Failed expectations.

And so they choose to check out.

Now, you'll think, "wow we're fucked anon."

But in truth there is a fourth option.

The one that I chased for so much time.

(cont..)

>>17748888
the fourth option is kind of like a glitch of a videogame.

It's like when your character suddenly falls through the landscape and goes down through the skybox.

All of this a metaphor to say that its a concept that goes beyond the game map and in this case that game map is our life.

nihilismfags and zenfags actually got the first steps of this path by achieving a" cosmic point of view"

Now. I've bet that you've already heard the "we are so small and the cosmos is so big and we're stardust and life is beauty and awesome" speech that usually comes from new age fanatics and starry eyed monks; there is a slight speck of the truth there.

Let's filter the crapsaccharine shit and see what it's about.

>>17748897
>jesus I'm shaking for the lack of sleep but I need to finish this

To continue the explanation of pick four, let's join this subject with the previous identity one.

Take our identity.

Watch it at a cosmic level.(meaning by an perspective that goes to the infinity like nihi and zen)

What you see is simply a construct of concepts.

And that's that.

The trick is that its nothing more than that.
There is no "inner self", no "true you". And even if something as a "soul" existed, it still doesn't matter(see feral kids).

You have discovered that you are what you think you are.

(cont..)

>>17748916
Now.

You know that ego, the identity, "you" as a definite thing , are nothing more than a fabulous illusion created by your mind.

At this point this seems very counterintuitive isn't it?

I feel like a puppet of my mind then, grabbed by the strings of chemistry and physics, a passive witness and victim of whatever happens to him.

But, there's another error here.

Is there really a puppet to begin with?

No. As we said, "I" doesn't exists truly, and so there is nothing to be controlled.

It's just an illusion remember?

And so..what this leads to..

(cont..)

>>17748934
Not OP, but thanks for this.

>>17748934
Let's return to the cosmic pow thingie.

Following the nihilists and the zennies we end up making our own steps and this brings us to realizing this:

The universe actually has a meaning to its existence, and that meaning is its existence in itself.

What would be the reason to all of this to exist? Us? Planets? Galaxies? The Big Bang? And all the unknown things we probably will never discover about the universe like alternate dimensions n' shit. And this concept would also work if the religious were right and if there really was a god. Why would it be there? Why him and not someone else?

The truth is that existence exists for its own sake.

Yes.

It's all a colossal, wonderful, clusterfucky, fabulous game.

And our identity? Our consciousness? It's just another feature of the game. The game looking at itself.

And so this brings to..(cont..)
>wew
>in this mouthvomit I cited and used thoughts by Gautama Buddha, Carnegie Dale and Alan Watts, check them out, they're pretty cool

>>17748947
Glad to help

>>17748950
And so we're at the end of the line, buddy.

We know that our identities are just products of the mind and that the universe(or multiverse or whatever) is just, citing Watts "a fabulous game" since, just like a game, it's done for its own sake.

So.

Why are we sad.

Why we all must suffer each day.

Why.

(cont.)
>I'm so fucking close to it, I need that fucking closure

>>17748964
It's because knowing this isn't enough.

At the end of the day, we'll still percieve the same as we always did, think the same thoughts and so on...but why?

And if knowing it isn't enough, what do we need?
(cont.)

>>17748976
Ah.

It's because we aren't truly separated.
We are the same thing.

Shit.

Think about it, while it's true that at a relative level I'm a different thing than you that is a different thing than a dog and so on; at a cosmic level we're all the same!

Everything exists for its own sake and we're the same! We are not part of the game.

We are the game.

(cont..)
>so clooosee

>>17748976
Not op , pls continue man God /galaxy bless you i was in so shitty mood rn and you saved us all on this post

>>17748990
glad to help

>>17748988
and so

What happens now?

Do you go on the street and shout "I'M GOD, I'M ALL AND YOU'RE ALL ME"?

No.

It will happen something else..

(cont..)

>so clooooooseee

>>17749009
Hey can i ask your name just tell me first name only bc you sound like someone i also know irl or atleast tell me from which country you are

>>17749009
Here's what will happen.

You will return to your normal life.

That's it.

You will still suffer, you will still feel joy, you will still get angry, you will still sadness and all the other emotions.

But.

Deep inside you, you know the truth.

And that truth is....

>SO CLOOOSE

>>17749018
nah I'm shy:D tell me yours first

>>17749027

The truth is that you're playing a game.

The most fabulous, amazing, wonderful, astonishing game that there is.

And so you'll keep living your life, but now that you're free from the chains of the illusion of the ego and of the limited perspective, you'll do it "with a skip in your step" or "floating on air".

This not meaning that you'll turn into a bumbling everhappy dude, but that you'll truly enjoy and live your life to the last second, regardless whatever will happen.

And when Death will come, you'll smile remembering all the road you did and you won't be afraid for you know that consciousness is just a feature of the game, a quirk that allows it to witness its wonder from infinite different perspectives.

And one day, you'll return as something different.

And who knows, maybe after aeons you'll return being the very same being you are right now, reading this phrase, in this exact moment.

What? Why would you be surprised about this?

After all.

Everyone knows that God is eternal.

>>17749052
OP.

I don't know if this rambling of a sleep deprived guy will help you, but I still wish you the best of luck for your future.

Know that with that question you finally made me reach closure, I'm finally at peace with myself.

So.

Whatever will happen to you.

Know that you have saved a life.

>>17749061
I meant "to OP", not "OP"

I really should be going to sleep now.

>>17749066
Not op other one
Thanks tho end haven't made much sense to me , ll again read it and try to understand. Thanks tho
I am from pakistan

Another precisation before I go.

You might think that>>17749052 is in conflict with
>>17748897, because in the former I said what I shunned in the latter; but I actually meant two different things.

In >>17748897 I meant that fake belief that many have that following zen and stuff will make them gain a constant state of happiness and joy and reach a place beyond their troubles.

In>>17749052 I meant instead the awe of the whole. That awe doesn' teleports you into a forever and ever happy dimension nor it destroys your problems. It just awakens you. And that's it.

So it's like, illusion vs awakening.

>>17749074
Yeah making sense to me now, i kinda had figured it out.Thanks

>>17749069
ah no, I'm not from Pakistan.

haha lol talking about "things that make sense" in this subject is a difficult terrain

anyway, try reading The Book: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are, I highly suggest it

>>17749082
The person i know isn't from Pakistan either but he is a nihilist so which you aren't so it cancels out