I'm a very stoic person. I have immense trouble letting

>>17737659
Im similar. At first people are friendly, but as I hang around them more without talking much they tend to start not liking me around.

>>17737662
This. They think I don't like them when in reality I'm afraid of them not liking me or not trusting me. I don't talk about myself AT ALL because I'm really insecure and I guess someone telling you about themselves makes it easier to connect with them. People take my reluctance to divulge personal information as "he thinks he's too good for us". I also embarrass very easily so I do my best not to get embarrassed in front of others especially if I don't know them well bit I'm starting to see that being embarrassed or acting goofy in front of people you don't know helps them bond with you. It doesn't make much sense to me but I've seen it in action. Basically letting your guard down

>>17737673
And if you don't have a bunch of superficial shit to talk about on the back of the hand then you're not that great at conversation, thus people will see you as even more repellent. People like pleasure and conversation is also another pleasure.

You have to speak in their terms. I think thats why a lot of guys get into sports without actually liking it. The pretense is for conversation, its all just bullshit. Most conversation is bullshit to cover for human interaction.

>>17737698
I'm not bad at small talk but eventually people want to delve deeper into you as a person and like I said I'm really really insecure so talking about myself is like stabbing myself aka very painful.

>>17737706
>I'm not bad at small talk but eventually people want to delve deeper into you as a person and like I said I'm really really insecure so talking about myself is like stabbing myself aka very painful.

So what kind of smalltalk do you make?

If other people can say personal stuff in public, so can you. After all, its a social expectation,.

>>17737659
Ask yourself if you are truly "stoic" or just guarded.

Fear is an emotion. And if you let fear control your actions, thats not stoicism.

>>17737659
bump

Well this sucks.

>>17737659
If I remember correctly, Aurelius, Epictetus 'n many others make being social a pretty big point early on.

Your problem is not stoicism. You just need to improve your social aspects, or leave the guise of stoicism.