Why do people, especially women, claim that assertiveness is

>>17714116
>It's like they don't even understand themselves.
what a surprise!

It's only attractive if you're already attractive.

Why is it that people, especially men, utterly fail to grasp the concept of nuance?

Here's the secret to the world.
When people, whether male or female, says that x trait is desirable/sexy/hot/attractive they mean that its only attractive in people they are already attracted to.

When women say that assertiveness is attractive they mean its attractive in someone they are already attracted to. Being assertive is just icing on the cake in that case.

If the attention comes from someone people are not attracted to it becomes undesirable, or as you call it, creepy/stalkerish.

>listening to women

There's your mistake, they're just gonna say whatever they want, do your thing anyways

But do an attractive thing.

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>>17714116

>Why do people, especially women, claim that assertiveness is an attractive trait -- especially in men? But when you actually are more assertive, suddenly you're stalkery creep?

You speak about assertiveness as though it only takes one form and cannot be at all altered when combined with other traits.

"Assertiveness" is not an attack move in Final Fantasy. Its isn't this identical, one-size-fits all trait that looks the same on everyone in every context.

Not to mention the fact that not all women like assertive men. When you build false representations of any giant group of people, not just women, with stereotypes and personal biases, that representation will always disappoint you. The robots here are incapable of viewing any disappointment as isolated incidences nor being able to consider their own behavior as a factor in their interactions with women.

In short, maybe you're doing it wrong, OP. Maybe you are not a naturally assertive person and when you try to put on a front and pretend like you are people can see right through it and are put off by it.

>They claim to want something in men they feel they don't get enough of. But once they actually find that something, they're suddenly repulsed by it. It's like they don't even understand themselves.

I understand your personal experiences color your view of the world but you're projecting right now.

Also, keep in mind that if you're under the age of 25, man or woman, you have no idea who you are. Its completely normal for everyone to have no idea who they are or what they want until they become adults. Everyone sucks and treats each other terrible all throughout their teenage and early adolescent years.

That isn't a pattern in the female gender, its a pattern in humans. I've had enough of these robot threads, to be honest. If you spent as much time out in the world talking to people and learning from your surroundings as you do complaining on the internet you'd probably have bette luck with women

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>>17714191

>>17714116
There's a difference between being assertive and being a creep who can't take a hint.

What are you doing that you consider assertive?

>>17714116
probably has to do with your look.

>>17714199

You robots are all broken records.