seeking affirmation. I've been dating my gf for almost

>>17515893

I don't see the big deal at all?

So what if she believes in a god or something like that? Unless shes forcing her views onto you and trying to change you then let her believe what she wants.

I mean, fuck sake are you that stuck up that your partner has to believe the same thing as you or else they're wrong and you can do better?

How does her deism negatively affect your interactions with her? Do you choose to think about it or does she often interject with it?
There's no harm in sharing your own beliefs, but don't be disappointed if a conversion doesn't follow.

>>17515893
Seems like a really stupid reason to break up with somebody, OP

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>>17515893
Religious differences are going to play a huge factor in any longterm relationship.

Especially if you have kids later on and are both trying to instill your religious beliefs on them.

Talk to her about it and tell her how big of a deal it is to you and if she won't agree with you.

>it really surprised me considering she has a molecular biology degree

Not everyone who believes in God is a young-earth creationist, so I don't see how that should surprise you. They didn't even believe that shit before evolution and mendel genetics were even a pipe dream.

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>>17515915
It's not that I could do better or that I'm so sure she's wrong, I did note that it was my problem to get over... Nonetheless, not being able to see things the way I do in this manner could be more important down the road, and maybe there is someone more compatible.
>>17515919
Never. it is not important to her at all, but I spend the majority of my time ruminating on the philosophical.

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>>17515893
>Do I try to show her why I am confident in my beliefs without disparaging hers and hold out hope for a conversion?
If you cannot see any compatibility between deism and skepticism, and cannot discuss this without "holding out hope for a conversion," then I don't think it will be possible for you to discuss this without disparaging her beliefs. Your contempt will show through anything you say.

>>17515930

This is bait. Not even good bait.

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>>17515928
Usually one begets the other, you see that humans aren't special, wonder how it all came to be, read a few books and voila no reason for a deity. She isn't much into philosophic discourse and in fact she told me she didn't see the point before we started dating. I guess her pragmatism is matched by my idealism.

Anyway, she is very wishy washy on it, she just wants to believe that the laws of the universe aren't an accident that kind of thing. She doesn't even believe in a Christian God despite having been brought up in such a household.

I don't think it will come up save for a few times in child rearing.

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>>17515933
I can see the compatibility and that is why I'm giving it a shot. I just look at how history trends, the score in scripture vs science is fairly one sided and of all people I thought she would agree. Maybe it is my expectations vs reality.

Anyway, I don't think I'm any closer to a solution but I welcome the responses.

>>17515934
Wish it were friendo.

>>17515936
>you see that humans aren't special, wonder how it all came to be, read a few books and voila no reason for a deity.

Sorry to derail the thread I don't understand how you go from "humans aren't speical" to "there's no reason for a deity"

>going full fedora over deism
>not hardcore religion
>not moderate religion
>not even fucking cafeteria Christianity
>but GENERAL NONSPECIFIC DEISM


HOW ARE YOU EVEN IN A RELATIONSHIP

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>>17515968
There are two reasons for such a belief fear of the unknown or the laziness to not seek out what has become known. It isn't an intelligence thing at all it is an ignorance thing. You don't need one for morality, creation, sentience... it plainly a construct of man not the other way around... I am not here to debate that I am here to mitigate the impact this has on my daily life/mental health.

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>>17515981
Not sure, ended the last one for the same reason.

It is something that may not be important to most people but when it's what you spend most of your day thinking about it is hard to ignore.

>>17515982
It shouldn't have any impact you fuck nugget, especially if she's that fucking wishy washy

Lots of people only beleive in a God because it means they can beleive their dead relatives are looking down on them

Unfuck yourself, it's not like she's some fucking libtard arts major

>>17515991
>what you spend most of your day thinking about it
You either need a job or a hobby.

>>17515968
Not him, but I take it as a statement of recognition that humans need deities more than deities need humans, and that the logical conclusion is that it makes more sense that people invented deities rather than the other way around. Humans aren't special, they don't warrant the attention of omnipotent being with a multiverse to attend to, they're not special and as such their meager praise/recognition of said deity should be inconsequential to such a being (i.e. it makes humans feel better about themselves, not God feel better about himself), and humans are too frail so subsist without the crutch that is a deity to serve as a catch all for questions they don't have answers to and for their insistent need for validation (i.e. "We're so important. God is watching me and giving the slightest shit what I do.")

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>>17515995
I work 59-64 hrs a week.
>>17515993
denial is not an appealing trait in anyone.

Break up so she can find someone less autistic

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>>17516016
Elaborate. I don't think there is a more consequential thing to disagree on than the creation of the universe.

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Still looking for some help putting this in perspective if we're not doomed. Also you can request SFW and I'll do my best.

>>17515893
So... you want to break up because you are not agree on ONE thing? I don't actually know if there is a "cat lady" version for men. But I'm pretty sure that you are one of those.

>>17515893

Anon, there will always be something to fuss about. No one is perfect. You should be happy that it is such a small thing. It is her business what she believes in, not yours.

There is no right or wrong in such a philosofical topic. Maybe you can see it in a more positive way, and see it as a source from which she can get energy to keep going in harsher times, and keeps her more happy during normal times.

However in the case you want to have children together, you should reach some conclusion about what you are going to tell/teach them, and write that down on paper so you do not run into trouble in the long term.

Regards,

a loving atheist

>>17515893
>almost a year
>moving in
lol good luck you stupid fuck

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>>17516053
Possibly the biggest "one thing" possible, but no, I don't want to break up at all. I just think if it is going to likely happen eventually better to happen now and lessen the strife on both ends.

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>>17516062
Is this not normal? We are both 26, make good money and spend 3 days or a week together as is. If your strategy is to get me to worry about something else it is working.

>>17516058
That is... A good answer.

>>17516074
i mean if you're okay with rushing things and eventually getting a nice costly divorce + alimony for the rest of ur life, go for it

This is a really shitty bait thread. Feel free to keep posting asses, though.

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>>17516077
I did some research before asking and I thought immediately after 1 year would be okay.... it is not like we would get married for another 4-5 years.

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>>17516084
I will do my best for you.

>>17516085
well enjoy kicking her out then, that should be a nice conversation once you get sick of being around her every free moment of your life

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>>17516090
she paints and I read, she's more avoidant than clingy and the aptmt is 1600 sq ft I will heed your warning though. Thanks for keeping it real.

>>17516094
>Not enjoying your last vestiges of freedom before settling down.
Anon-senpai, I...

>>17516085
>>17516090
Look at the sour apple we have here. There is no right time to move in, fuckface. If you have a stable relationship for 4 years, and move in it can go wrong on all the same fronts as when you're doing it after 1 year.

>>17516077

One year is long enough for someone to show their true colours. Not even trying would have been the worse decision here.

Go for it OP, in the worst case you find out that you guys are not compatible. It saves you from finding it out later down the road.


>Also all these sour remarks. Geesh guys

>Oh, no, my girlfriend is an agnostic theist, the same position held by since of the most prominent people in science.
This had better be bait, otherwise, how can you expect to live with someone when your house will be filled with your extensive fedora and vape collection?

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I will post around 20 more quality butts and/or breasts. Thanks for those who have contributed thus far.

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>>17516100
She's knows of my extensive collection of nudes and does not object, may be my naivete but I don't think much of value will be lost.

>>17515936
>Usually one begets the other, you see that humans aren't special, wonder how it all came to be, read a few books and voila no reason for a deity.
The vast majority of scientists and philosophers disagree with this point.
Looks like you need to read more books (Dawkins and Hitchens don't count)

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>>17516104
Gracias.

>>17515893
>she's the awkward one

No one likes people who go around trying to convert eachother

>>17515893
Break up with her so she can date a real man and not some beta fedora.

I'm going to piggyback on this thread because the OP is stupid as fuck and is asking a question about something that's only a problem because he wants it to be. It reminded me that I'm in a somewhat similar position, but one that could actually turn into a problem.

I've been seeing a girl for a few months now, and she's very religious. Like, spends all Sunday at church and holds a rank in campus ministry religious. Being religious is a huge part of her identity, and a while ago she started to distance herself from me because she was feeling guilty about sinning and needed to work things out with God. I'm not religious at all, and she mostly seems okay with that, aside from a few comments that imply she hopes I end up converting.

I don't care at all that she's religious. I've never said anything bad about Christianity to her, and I'd never try to turn her away from it. But I feel like she might end up making it an issue for her. And the weird thing about it is that I think she doesn't really understand why she feels the way she does. Like, because I don't live up to her stereotypes of what an atheist is (her idea of what religion is is entirely the result of evangelical church dogma, and I've surprised her with a bunch of things, like not being a terrible person), she doesn't know what to do with religion not being an issue. And I feel like she's making it an issue because she doesn't know how to deal with it (or maybe because of pressure from her friends?). It's weird, and I don't want something that shouldn't be an issue to break us up.

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>>17516119
Hawking? I've read a fair few continental philosophers as well. Open to recommendations

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>>17516145
I don't mention this at all in my day to day life. Maybe 3 times since graduating from university three years ago, twice with this girl. I don't care what the majority of other people think I care what she thinks, the problem is she really doesn't have an opinion. It's like an adamant leaning.

>>17516104
>beta giving out advice out of his ass detected
being a realist trigger you kiddo?

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>>17516151
i c what you did there, it helps.

>>17515893
Fuck her and chuck her and then ask her where her God is now?

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>>17516164
I would assume they are just playing devil's advocate

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>>17516175
:)

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>>17515893
People need their faith. You might not agree with it, but it makes people feel better to have something to believe in; something to turn to when they feel alone or dejected. You shouldn't destroy someone's beliefs/faiths just because you don't agree with it.

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Have you tried listening to her? Odds are it would be your opinion to change, not hers

>>17515936
I believe in a God, but I believe everything we believe about God is wrong. Like, it's GOD. There is no way anyone could know for absolute certainty what is going on with them.
I don't believe we were an accident.

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>>17515893
She probs believes in God because she needs someone to pray to that you'll get better in the sack. Prepare to be cucked like Joseph.

>>17515930
>majority of my time ruminating on the philosophical.

Kek. Nice bait faggot. Here's your (you) at least.

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>>17516258
That's okay, I'm not dating you.

>>17516250
talked to preachers and professors in the past, that is unlikely.

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>>17516261
yeah prolly.

I cant believe some of you are actually getting but trade that he would feel more comfortable having similar beliefs to his partner. Jesus christ grow the fuck up is a perfectly reasonable issue

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>>17516280
Thanks, gotten a few helpful tips but I'm really back where I started, hope she sees the (lack of) light in the future and enjoy things until then...

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Ran outta butts need to update my collection. Thanks for the advice all. Will look at thread in the morning so if you want to post I'm not going to object.

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Bump

Religion is a good thing in a relationship. You're probably going to realize this if you ever become a dad, but religion is basically as needed as fatherhood when it comes to bringing children into this world as productive, socially and mentally healthy members of society. A belief in divinity for most people does good; stop trying to rationalize the metaphysical and inherently irrational. She's a woman, you shouldn't have these expectations that she's ever going to be your intellectual equal - or even so, why would you want her to? Let her do what comes most natural to her and assume her faith as long as she wishes. In this circumstance where she's the female in this relationship, it's seriously not a problem unless she's attempting to push it on you. Count your blessings here. Would you rather she be a nihilistic atheist chick with no values, principles and a shit history behind her or a harmless spiritualist?

>>17516454
Sorry about the lack of spacings here - phone fucked it up. But you get the point.

>>17515893

Gonna need some moar detail on that one? Is she like the Allahu Akbar type of deity beliefs or the "Earth is 4000 years old" type of shit

Molecular biology doesn't mean shit, no offense to molecular biologosts, I'm just saying anyone can get a degree if they are persistent, you dont have to be intelectual supreme being, I'm studying Chem/Physics, I see people grinding books all day and it works for them.

But yeah, I see the concern, how can someone whos entire degree depends on scientific method believe in garbage, well, people are fucking fucked, but the real question is, is it worth it?

>>17515893
wait a sec, we have not established that she exists..

>>17516454

Religion is a fucking blanket
Fatherhood is overrated

People who believe in something because it makes them better and safer are projecting their illusion and living in a blissful paradise until the illusion comes crashing down on you. People refuse to see the animal and feral pattern in them, eat, shit, sleep and reproduce. No different than a Skyrim NPC worshipping Talos

>>17515981
lol

>>17516542

>People refuse to see the animal and feral pattern in them, eat, shit, sleep and reproduce.

People ARE animals, you idiot. You're projecting upon humanity the very divinity which you mock.
The key to happiness? Acting within your biological nature. Divinity is hubris.

>>17516019
There's nothing more inconsequential to disagree upon than the creation of the universe, it literally has zero effect on how people live day to do.

Also, see >>17515981

>>17515893
After reading through this thread I've come to the conclusion that you're quite the psuedo-intellectual.
I hope you don't breed. We need people who can actually teach the future generations in a logical way.

I don't know how to answer your question, but I'll make sure to pray for you :^)

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This is a prime example to why people complain about no gfs people

We have op, with a cute honest loving girlfriend thats been with him for a year. She is smart as hell and going in to a great career field.

Yet it's not enough to look past slight religious ideas

Its never fucking enough for you normies. You've got robots always here saying how they just want girls to at least seem interested or talk to them. Just some kind of fucking compassion.

But you, op. You have something so many people want more than anything and youre willing to throw it away for a religious belief she doesn't even talk about.

Youre just generally a bad person. Not because you are a fucking faggot for caring about a girls religious beliefs that she doesn't talk about, but because you take something like this for granted. You are nothing more than a spoiled man child fedora tipper. I reccomend you break up with her 100 percent. Anyone is better off without someone like you in their lifes.

I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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>>17516526
Heading into work, the previous post about people being animals etc was not me. She is just the "some things can't be known" type. Irks me to no end but I guess it is better than fundamentalism. Idk that it is a "good" thing though.

t b h as an agnostic I imagine I'd get along with her - who puts no importance in thinking about things that well, have no importance and just has some casual belief which makes her comfy I suppose - than with you who puts such an importance into it. You sound worse than my catholic friends really just put the fedora down, stop annoying your gf with talking to her about stuff she's not interested in and find more productive hobby