I'm 23 years old and I have never had a relationship before,

>>17483556

i have a copy pasta that will help, but here are two things id like to comment on first.

>most women are already in a relationship

this is false. you simply do not know enough about women to say this. you are more prone to notice couples because you can see them interacting. but there are tons of single girls you simply do not notice. you should also differentiate between 'girls' and 'girls id do'.

that being said, stop expecting women to do your job for you. men these days act all surprised that women arent the aggressors, sending 'signals' or even for ignoring your signals. girls dont want to take the steering wheel.

i remember a cringy af post an anon posted asking 'why wont she take the hint?' where he posted a screencap of a conversation with a girl where he kept saying 'IM SURE SOMEBODY LIKES YOU ;)' over and over again with slightly different wording, but refused to say it was him, and got mad at her for not inferring for him.

even if a girl isn't 'sending a signal' you just go for it. asking her on a date or flirting with her anyway is how you start to see what is or isnt a signal. but you can still ignore htem. there is no law that says you must see X Y and Z signal before asking a girl out.

also, if you arent still losing weight with two jobs, DIET. use this time to cut then sports time to bulk.

good luck and here is a copy pasta:

>>17483574
advice

>dont just hit on a woman

its no secret that women are the ones who are approached, and they make decisions on which men to keep in their lives. that being said, desperately drooling over each and every girl as if they are a potential love interest is silly.

give yourself more value by not letting a woman sway you on first impressions alone. before you ever begin to say anything remotely flirtatious, talk to the girl. see what she actually acts like when you interact with her. have a normal conversation. if there isnt anything special there beyond her looks, friendzone her. or simply stop talking to her. you do not need to hit on each and every girl that looks good enough to be your partner.

doing this gives you more value, and the psychological effects are great. in addition, women will take you more seriously. instead of being 1 of 500 men in new york who went straight for the kill, you took the time to get to know them. whether it goes anywhere or not, this approach also just gives you practice talking to girls in a casual context. its less pressure than trying to impress them.

>>17483578
>only ever use dating apps as a supplement to your real life dating.

dating apps are toxic. consider the following
>people use dating apps because they arent having much luck in real life
>they go to a dating app where they are introduced to an entire smorgasbord of men who want nothing more than to bang and/or date them
>after just one day they will have seen everyone in their area
>within one week they would have talked to everyone they are interested in

so anyone who has been using the app for more than a few weeks clearly has some sort of issue. likely, they are the female equivelent of what i discussed in my first post.

they want a 'bf' but because they have a very specific idea of what a bf is, they arent finding it anywhere. instead of seeing if they have real chemistry, they are simply walking down the aisle, trying to figure out what is the ONE thing at the groccery store they can buy, based solely on pictures and labels.

if a woman is on tinder for too long, they are losing their ability to feel chemistry.

you as a man can fall into a very similar pattern here, but with the added harshness of constant rejection.

it is an app made for people who want to date, yet no one seems to have success there for very long. that should tell you something.

>>17483583

>but anon, how do i use it as a supplement to an existing dating life if i dont have a dating life.

effort. lots and lots of effort. and also, doing what you like. going out is in no way restricted to bars and clubs, though if that is what you enjoy, by all means, go to bars and clubs.

the truest way to find chemistry is to experience your life in the most enjoyable way, and see how you match with the people who come into it. interacting with someone in a casual way shows you how you ACTUALLY get along, not how you hope to get along cuz you really want this to work cuz you need a gf.

so write down a list of all your hobbies, and find a way to externalize them. most people live at least near a city these days.

go to any and all hobby shops and ask about local events. gun shops might have hunting trips. or you can just go to a shooting range. comic book stores have game nights. or live commentary movie nights. if these shops do not host events, offer to host one through them, after all it will only lead to more money through them.

you can even go to a more casual store, lets say, a book store, and stand in your favorite aisle (lets say, horror). talk to everyone who comes by looking for a book. ask what book they are looking for. tell them what book you are looking at. try to spark a conversation abotu your favorite author. maybe take some suggestions. if you really hit it off, try to trade numbers.

its okay if it doesnt pan out. this isnt a scoring system. there is no man in a cloack in space making down on a cosmic chalkboard how many failed conversations you had. 99% of interaction is dumb. you are waiting for the 1% and enjoying talking about your favorite things with strangers until then.

>>17483585
>but anon, going outside somewhere to find out if maybe they have an event doesnt suit my lazy lifestyle!!1!

and for those who simply cannot bring themselves to get up out of the house without a guarantee go to meetup.com and look for something of your interest. no matter what your interest it is on there in a group you can meet with. and if not, you can start your own meet up.

Now, some of you may argue that these sorts of tailored events are attended mostly by men. yes. mostly. but some women too. whats important here is you will be doing something you love, with people who love what you love, and when the right ladies come along you'll know they love it too. you will have that common ground.

>>17483574
>This is false, you don't know enough about women
And you do?
>Stop expecting women to do your job for you
Because the fact that tons of men grow up without even knowing what they are supposed to do ist a problem tight? Because just making up and doing it is easy when you have no fucking idea what to do right?
>Go for it
Sure a 23 year old guy struggling to Asia girl on a date like a cringy 14 year old nothing is more sexy to a woman
I'm not op,i am in the exact se situation and i pretty much missed every milestone on what my development was supposed to be like and before you start claiming you dont have to be masculine and act macho I want to be those things and now you will blame me even tho my dad was a drunk who told me I'm garbage and beat me and i never had a single man to look up to either.
But sure war on boys is great, now we are all unhappy

>>17483578
Great you now have the respect of a girl but are still a virgin, you made a friend who will never do anything for you and be anything more than a liability congrats

>>17483583
His is retarded, girls don't look for boyfriend on tinder, they look for sex, drugs and fun and it works wonders if you are handsome and rich.
If every undesirable men (80%) dropped from tinder women wouldn't care

>>17483585
Keke I actually did this, turns out girl artists are 90% lesbians and the other 10% hook up with the guy who is a head taller than me.
Doesn't work

>>17483590

meant to say 'enough women' not 'about women'.

>Because the fact that tons of men grow up without even knowing what they are supposed to do ist a problem tight? Because just making up and doing it is easy when you have no fucking idea what to do right?

there has never and will never be a book about approachign women. it changes from place to place, time to time, woman to woman, occasion to occasion. stop acting like the world is supposed to hand you a woman.

god forbid you try something to learn how it works. no, we should just be born with pre arranged marriages, with back ups in case one of the girls gets fat :^)

>Sure a 23 year old guy struggling to Asia girl on a date like a cringy 14 year old nothing is more sexy to a woman

im sorry, are you looking for date rape advice? you learn by trying. i didnt say 'try and you'll get all the women you want trololololol'.

you cannot learn how to pick up women without trying to pick up women.

>WAHHHHH I HAVE DADDY ISSUES

we all have daddy issues, mine left us and moved to greece. lied and said he had no choice 'the military is making me'. nope, he requested orders and moved a place where there'd be no schools so we couldnt go with him.

wanna know a secret? has nothing to do with hitting on women. i didnt start learning how to do that until two years ago. i just went up to girls at a bar, on the bus, at the store, whenever and just chatted em up.

>the war on boys is great

never said that, but god damn you are blowing htings out of proportion. everyone else is managing to wokr through it, so can you.

>>17483596

>you made a friend

if you arent interested in her romantically after the basic getting to know you portion, dont hang out with her then.

are you all just retarded? it seems really weird that all these guys complaining about how the ycant get girls are claiming that the guy who CAN get girls is giving bad advice.

if it worked for me, it can work for you.

>>17483606

works for me, amd im 5'6" you must just be ugly.

>>17483601

if you want to generalize like this, sure, but the whole point of hte post was NOT to rely on it, so does it matter on why?

>>17483587
>The right lady's
Why don't people tell each other to quit their jobs with no other jobined up and look for the right job that feels right? And that the one perfect job is out there and you have to look for it even if it means being unemployed for years?

>>17483614

because you need a job in order to survive.

you literally dont need a relationship. at all. on the contrary you can live a better healthier more fulfilling life with no relationship as opposed to a bad / fake / wrong one. and you'd miss out on the 'right one' cuz you'd be knowingly settling.

>>17483614
>>17483630

and if you think you need a relationship to be happy, and that having a bad or wrong relationship is somehow goign to make you happy, you have a lot of growing to do still. make your single life happy and fulfilling and you wont be such a twat.

>>17483607

>there has never and will never be a book about approachign women. it changes from place to place, time to time, woman to woman, occasion to occasion. stop acting like the world is supposed to hand you a woman.
Exactly, today's strategy are hitting them on tinder or doing nothing
>Waaahh I'm a man with feeling that complains about being hurt instead of shutting up and beating women or killing himself
>Just chat girls up in the library and bus
HAHAHAAHAAHA
>The guy who can get girls knows how to get girls
Yes, it's easy. Being really attractive and rich, I have seen them work wonders and it only works out because they are attractive and I'm not

Op here:I don't know how did we get to dating apps, but that's not an solution for me. I'm way past the point of one night stands and I am looking for someone who will understand me and like me, nothing more.

>>17483612
>Generalise
The whole point of tinder is to remove every single bit of humanity between human courtship and turn it into just a transaction, prostitutes advertise on tinder, they ask for money instead of dates and say yes to a lot more men and make bank

>>17483633

>todays strategy are hitting them on tinder or doing nothing

what? no, that is not the strategy, no one has ever said tahts the strategy, this thread outlined several other strategy.

the last girl i seriously dated i met at a bar after the los angeles underwear metro ride.

the last girl i casually dated i met at a restaurant she worked at and just asked for her number.

tinders too flaky to be of much use for me.

>ur only options are whining or beaitng up women

stop acting retarded. and you arent complaining about feelings you are insisting that advice is pathetic and will never work despite it wokring for others.

>HAHAHAHAHA

that says a lot about you, not about me or women.

>attractive and rich

im 5'6" and bring home 1500 bucks a month mate. im reasonably good looking yes.

if ur issue is that women dont like ugly guys, then aim for ugly girls.

>>17483630
You sound like the obese asshole eating a feast telling the poor they are ok with stale bread.
Affection and intimacy are human needs, thr birds sing, eggs are yellow like the sun and I remember how it was like outside

>>17483637

the advice on dating apps was essentially not to use em, so just use the rest of the copy pasta, but im getting out of here.

these twats have such a sense of entitlement its astounding.

>>17483639

sure, then dont use tinder, like i said, its pretty fucking stupid and I get better results from real life.

>>17483647

before my recent dating i was single for four years. admittedly i still had fligns and sex, and that does help, but they were few and far between.

part of what lead me down the road of happiness was discovering how to be happy on my own. its the ground work for all the happiness ive had, even when in relationsihps. i dont suffer from lack of girl, and i dont suffer from threats of girl leaving. i enjoy my life wholeheartedly simply because I love my job, i love my friends, and i love my passions. when i have a woman in my life its great and can be great, but when i dont, im still happy and just watch some porn.

I've seen both sides of the coin. but instead of insisting how im doomed no matter what, i worked each side to my advantage.

>>17483645
I just did you twat
>Despite working for others
Such as?
>Girls don't talk to you on a bus because you are ugly
Duhhh?
80% of men are ugly
Do ugly girls like rotten food? Do they bleed porridge? Do they fall up?
Ugly girls want the se as hot girls

>>17483648
>Don't use the crutch that gives everyone an advantage
Why do you think that tinder isn't settings the standard all women expect?

>>17483657

>before my recent dating i was single for four years. admittedly i still had fligns and sex
Oh no
You poor thing
>How to be happy in your own
I'm happy in my own, I still don't get my needs anywhere near satisfied, hell I'm an hermit, and I hate assholes like you that claim intimacy isn't a need when you never went intimacy starved, why don't you live in a cave and claim you don't need society
>I have seen both sides
You haven't, you have no fucking idea what you are talking about, loneliness kills people