So my pedophile older brother is moving back home in a few days.

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>in Canada you can be arrested for writing fiction

>>17479995
>But he felt he had to contribute something first for the community to accept him so he wrote a fictional story and posted it.
>That's considered producing child porn in Canada so he was busted for it.
Wow fuck you Canada.

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Canadian_Criminal_Law/Offences/Child_Pornography/Definition_of_Child_Pornography

>any written material whose dominant characteristic is the description, for a sexual purpose, of sexual activity with a person under the age of eighteen years that would be an offence under this Act

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>Lolita, a classic piece of literature, couldn't have been written in Canada

>>17480062

No, that should have been fine, since the main purpose of Lolita wasn't just to be fap material.

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>arrested not just for drawing lolicon but writing FUCKING WORDS
this is unbelievable, the people who post actual child pornography deserve to be busted for it because the consumption and dissemination of that material builds demand for the creation of more. But he just wrote a damn fapfic, those words never hurt anyone.

>>17480108
it could have been argued either way

>>17480122

I've read Lolita. The sex scenes weren't graphic in the slightest.

>>17480116

I agree, but the law's the law. Doesn't sound like my brother's lawyer was very passionate about defending him either. Maybe he could have been let off even lighter had the lawyer fought harder.

>writing a story
>literally not even drawing a picture
>considered producing cp

jesus christ

tell him he didnt fucking things up because he did literally nothing wrong you butthurt faggot.

this kind of shit is directly telling pedos that they might as well just rape children irl since they're fucked no matter what they do.

>>17479995
Oh boy thought crime
When are we going to implement brain chips to ban problematic thought like questioning the capacity and impartiality of our leaders

>>17480124
yet someone as ludicrously puritanical as those who wrote Canada's child pornography law might not see it as such, and say that it doesn't matter how graphic it is because a pedophile would still find it titillating.

Which is made all the worse by the fact that this is the country that not only brought us Bear, and gave it the fucking governor general's literary award.

>>17480041
He should have fucked dogs instead, apparently Canada is into that

>>17480116
First we ban watching crime
Then we ban drawing crime
Then we ban describing crime
What's next? Preventive imprisonment for people likely to crime?
Getting jailed by being male, over 25 and single just in case?

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>>17480164
>Some cunt writes a book about a woman fucking a god damn bear.
>becomes a best seller in canada.
>some random dweeb writes a fapfic about didling a kid.
>gets thrown in a jail.

What the fuck Canada?

canada should be nuked

>>17480224
hear hear.
Fucking leafs, worthless shitposters the lot of them.

>>17479995
>Apparently 4 years ago he joined some pedo forum, hoping to use it as some sort of support group to deal with his feelings
Because the best way to rehabilitate yourself is to talk to degenerates?

Anyway
>I don't want him to forget that he fucked things up and he has to pull his shit back together. Any advice on how I can do that on top of making it easier on my parents? I don't mind being the bad guy if I have to be.
Make sure he is in contact with any legitimate support groups, that is the most important bit.
Secondly, if he is moping about, don't say "well this wouldn't be an issue if you didn't contribute to a pedo board!", it doesn't help anything.
Thirdly, make sure he does something, anything to keep him occupied, there will be a job he can do somewhere or a cheap hobby he can pick up.
Lastly, make sure your parents are ok and look out for them, get dinner some time or something.

Basically, your family is going to be between a rock and a hard place, there is no magic fix, your locals may know what your brother did.
If you get any shit, just say "I don't condone what he did, I'm trying to move out" or something, don't tell everyone you hate him and other shit, your family will just struggle.

Source: social worker

>>17480018
>>17480041
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>>17480108
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>>17480150
I hope we have similar laws in the UK, if the pedos are posting fanfics rather than getting help, then it is a matter of time before they view the material or partake in it.
OP's brother posted it as an experience for the other nonces to enjoy.
OP's brother is a pedo, the only difference is he didn't view the material or partake, it was simply a matter of time before he did and he got a very light sentence.

>>17479995
Honestly his life is already over, so it's probably not that bad if you nudge him to kill himself.

Wow this is mind blowing.
So ideally I could just be fucking making a joke about CP or just joking about Boku no Pico and get thrown in jail...is there no free speach allowed in Canada? Too many hurt feelings?

>>17479995
Just gonna clarify something here.

I had a family member do some jail time for child pornography in Canada. like op it was 3 months.

>he wrote a fictional story and posted it.

This is likely only half the story. They only ever really pursue distributors or child pornography.

>>17480270
>Because the best way to rehabilitate yourself is to talk to degenerates?
>Make sure he is in contact with any legitimate support groups, that is the most important bit.

There aren't any legitimate pedophile support groups. That's why he reached out online because he didn't think anyone would understand him. The general populace does have extreme reactions to pedophiles, after all. That's why he didn't try to open up to any of us about it.

But that's kind of always been the problem with him: he thinks he has all the answers, that he can do whatever he wants and nothing bad will happen to him. He'd always get the fancy car or big TV he couldn't actually afford without considering how to get out of debt.

So beyond being a pedophile he has a mountain of other character flaws I had hoped this incident would motivate him to grow out of, but it doesn't look like that'll happen.

>>17480324

I think you need to write highly detailed sex scenes for that to happen.

>>17480355

My parents went to the trial and the story was the only piece of evidence the Crown presented against him.

>>17480355
This.

Police in Canada only arrest pedos that admit they have/distribute child pornography online. And even then it has to be on a place where the pedo registered their IP.

>>17480375
Then they are lying to you.

Or someone commented on his story saying something like "wow is this real" and he went ;)

>>17480398

They're definitely not lying to me. I'm the one they vent everything to. One particular sticking point is that some one my mom knows's son was busted for actually having child porn pics and stuff, but people still stood by him, he kept his job, etc, where as my brother was socially isolated, lost his job, his girlfriend, everything for just writing a story.

>>17480270
Sure ban every expression of someones sexuality that will work great, not cause cases of actual sexual violence to skyrocket no sit

>>17480367
>There aren't any legitimate pedophile support groups
Oh fuck off, there are hundreds, he obviously didn't look, neither did you.
Stop trying to defend your nonce brother's choices.

>>17480459
reading that shit is what entices them into acting on it.
If you are into lady boys and watch trap porn, you will justify fucking lady boys to yourself then act on it.
If you are into throat fucking women against their will and watch facial abuse, you are more likely to act on it when getting a blowjob.
I work as a support worker, as much as I hate the slippery slope fallacy, getting help or simply not indulging in it is the best course of action.

OP's brother wanted to talk to like minded people, he wasn't going to ask them "how do I stop being into this?", he wanted to get his hands of the material.

Loli is fucking degenerate, sorry you think the government is thought policing you, they just know what the motions are and try to protect the kids from predators because if they didn't there would be an uproar.

>>17480516
So if gay kids are kept away from gay people...

Kill him.

Seriously. Get a knife, wait until night when he's sleeping, and then stab her in the neck and back multiple times.

Then put the body in a garbage sack, put it in a junkyard far away from your home, clean the mess up, and act like you don't know where he went.

>>17480526
How do you stab a sleeping person both in the neck and back?

>>17480531

They sleep on their side?

>>17480525
You completely missed the point.
You are wired to be into certain things, be it feet, men or pre developed kids.
The difference between being gay/into feet and being into kids is that being into kids is illegal.

If you are gay but don't want to act on it because of society or your family's religious views, then you don't look into it and live a fairly depressed life, unless you can learn to enjoy a woman's company or enjoy raising your kids.
But being gay isn't illegal, and with the internet it is easy for men to find other closeted men or use apps to have discreet meetings.

If you are a paedophile you can get help at many places, learn to manage your desires and not act on them, there are legitimate support groups and ways to deal with it.
Please don't say stupid shit like that in the future, I think I felt my IQ drop a little when I was reading it.

>>17480516

I dunno, man, I'd think Googling "pedophile support group" is gonna bring the Feds to your door. I also heard that doctor-patient privileges go out the window if a patient admits to doing a crime.

>>17480538
So you are telling me the solution was Jesus all along?

>>17480542
>I also heard that doctor-patient privileges go out the window if a patient admits to doing a crime
It is only a crime if you act on it.
If you ask the doctor for help, they can't call the police because you haven't acted on it.

>>17480543
what?

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>>17480270

>Degenerates

The support group remark you made is on point and good but holy shit I fucking hate that word and I swear to god it's a Shibboleth of the alt-right. I ain't even Pedo, little kids are creepy and irritating and there's nothing sexual about them.

>>17480562
triggered degenerate?

>>17480560

But that means you can't even say something like "I gave into temptation once and looked at a picture, but I immediately deleted it and never looked at one again!" without getting reported.

People like that don't seek help because it looks like bait. "Yes, please admit to us you're a pedophile so we can arrest you!"

>>17480538
No, being a pedo (ie, having pedophilia) means that you have a mental disorder, but it is not illegal in and of itself. What *is* illegal is doing sexual things with children or possessing illegal material.

>>17480270
>I hope we have similar laws in the UK, if the pedos are posting fanfics rather than getting help, then it is a matter of time before they view the material or partake in it.
Japan would like a word with you.

>>17480604
>But that means you can't even say something like "I gave into temptation once and looked at a picture, but I immediately deleted it and never looked at one again!" without getting reported
Pretty straightforward, isn't it? don't look at the pictures or act on it, get help, you can't be arrested.
The point is that you get help before doing anything daft, not "I-I only looked at it once then deleted it!"

>>17480634
did you miss the big bit about not acting on it?

>>17480562
Do some people also use a word that I used? oh no!

>>17480637
I don't think Japan gives a fuck what others do outside of it, it is an incredibly xenophobic culture.

>>17480840
>I don't think Japan gives a fuck what others do outside of it, it is an incredibly xenophobic culture.
No, stupid. You miss the point.

They have an extremely low violent crime rate, and it's piss-easy to get a hold of some seriously risque FICTIONAL CONTENT.

It's not a direct cause of being peaceful, but it's certainly fucking obvious the availability of it doesn't CAUSE CHILD MOLESTATION EN MASSE.

>>17480270
>it is a matter of time before they view the material or partake in it.
Rape fetishist here. Didn't read your whole post but fuck you. Jacking to rape fics never made me lose control of myself and go watch a snuff film, because some people can separate fiction and reality. 50 shades of grey and other erotica should be banned according to that logic. I don't know what's up with pedophiles but your reasoning sucks.

>>17480870
Are you seriously trying to compare japanese culture to western culture?
Their kids jump in front of trains if they don't get good grades, people won't make a disturbance even if they are being molested because they don't want to bother people or break the silence, they have a dick parade, their TV is pretty disgusting, but nobody sees it as strange, all crime is blamed on migrants or "naughty koreans", people stick to the same job all their lives and having affairs is not frowned upon.

Don't try and compare how the japanese do shit to western values, I've worked as a social worker for a while, I'm not talking of a couple of anecdotes, I'm telling you why getting help before acting on it does a world more good than saying "I only looked once!" after being caught.

>>17480901

Except people are humans and will make mistakes. So they make a mistake the one time, and now they can never seek help so instead they bottle it up and causes things to get worse.

Most people don't even realise they have a problem, be it gambling or drugs, until something bad happens. It's not so simple as "get help before you offend" since it's usually "I did this thing... I think I need help!"

>>17480936
And you are wrong again.
You can get help AFTER offending, but it is fucking stupid to expect no come back after committing a crime.
If you commit a crime, you get prosecuted, you get help and rehabilitation.
If you ask the correct people for help and don't commit a crime, you get help and rehabilitation.
There's also a big difference between acting on being a pedo and getting into debt, the glaringly obvious one being one is very illegal.

People with an unhealthy interest in kids know they have a problem.
People who gamble and get into debt know they have a problem.
You have a problem once you get into trouble, be it committing a crime or getting into debt.

Humans do make mistakes, but not many act on things they know are very illegal.

>>17480604
Thats going to depend on the country. Here in the US, I'm not allowed to report my patient's crimes. I can only break confidentiality if I know child or elder abuse is occurring, if someone is an immanent risk to themselves or if they are an immanent risk to others. Saying "I jerk off to pictures of kids" isn't an immanent risk, saying "I'm going to fuck my 6 year old niece in the ass on Sunday" is. I've had patients confess to murders to me on probably a half dozen occasions, all I can do is sit on that.

That said, if someone is a pedophile, I won't treat them.

>>17480978

You appear to have a severe lack of empathy. I'd think that'd be necessary for your type of work.

>>17481021
>That said, if someone is a pedophile, I won't treat them.

And that's why these people can't seek professional help.

>>17481037
I'd refer them out, but there are a few things I recognize I'm not able to be dispassionate about. I'm well aware that if I had a suicidal patient who was a pedophile I might bump them to a given solution. I can think of two or three people in the area off the top of my head that specialize in kiddie fiddlers.

>>17481027
I have plenty of empathy, I don't see the point in bullshitting people.
If you act on the urges, you are a criminal, its a fact, I don't know why you think social workers would need to say otherwise.
I've pointed out that people can get help, before and after committing crimes, but you seem to think in an ideal world that it should be allowed, brushed under the carpet and they just get help with no repercussions.

>>17481037
>And that's why these people can't seek professional help.
Are you upset that because someone anonymously claimed something on the internet, people who need help wont get it?

>>17481046

You don't seem to understand why some one might be too afraid to get help.

99% of people consider pedophiles to be a special kind of evil, even if they merely have thoughts and never act. Who would ever go around and admit to such a thing knowing exactly how others would react?

>>17481142
Someone who would like to not break down and fuck a kid someday? Sorry, you're not even getting empathy from someone paid to be empathic. The work is on you. You're not a victim, you're not poorly wired, you're not gay, we're talking about a very specific kind of pathology.

>>17481157
For someone who supposedly is "paid to be empathetic" you sure as hell do your utmost to put up barriers and excuses to not feel empathetic towards a person who cannot help what he feels.

I mean, this shit
> You're not a victim, you're not poorly wired, you're not gay, we're talking about a very specific kind of pathology.
can be just as well be said about transgender people or gays just as well as pedos. All of them are "poorly wired" and display abnormal behavior, for reasons we cannot yet fully understand. You are excluding gays from the group because accepting them as "normal" (when they are anything but normal) has become socially approved.

So in short, you are a fucking hypocrite and should seek work on a different field, seeing how you clearly are incapable of feeling empathy towards people in very deep distress.

>>17481157

It's a lose-lose scenario. You either out yourself, or you try to keep it hidden and under control with the possibility you losing that control at some point. Most people would rather gamble on the latter.

>>17481198
Gay and trans folks don't create victims if they get laid. Heres the issue with using "normal" as a definition of health: there is no normal. All you're doing is making stepping out of social mores pathology. Thats why we've stripped being gay out of the DSM, its why we should have stripped GID out as well (although theres some complicated insurance issues there). Pedophiles, however, aren't merely a statistically small group. They're not even an overly focused group like fetishists. Sex is a choice, a pedophile who chooses to engage in their interest requires either significant delusion or significant sadism. That puts them less in the category of a dude who likes dick and more in the realm of the antisocial or the dangerous madman.

Still, I said from the start that I'd refer a pedophile out because I recognize that I would lack the distance and empathy necessary to see that patient. I even have good referrals for people who specialize in treating them. Hell, I even chimed in in the first place to make confidentiality clear because thats likely to make people seek care. What do you want from me, to take on a patient I know I wouldn't help and would be very tempted to harm? Call me a hypocrite if it makes you feel better, but you're not going to hurt my feelings.

>>17481230
>I wouldn't help and would be very tempted to harm?
You aren't fit to be a therapist if you want to harm someone because of a god damn thought crime.

>>17481230

There's a difference between being a pedophile and being a rapist. Simply having the urges doesn't mean you'll act on them. You make it sound like all pedophiles will offend at some point.

>>17481236
The school I graduated from, the state in which I am licensed, the company which insures my practice, and the professional organizations in which I am a member disagree.

There isn't a person out there lacking prejudice. The ethical thing as a therapist is not to pretend you're free of it, it is to recognize those things which would impact your ability to work and send those patients elsewhere.

>>17479995
Have you considered that if he acts like a victim and all he did is write a story and sought help to deal with his feelings that he might a sexual abuse victim?

>>17481242
I work primarily with children and adolescents. The number of kids with significant trauma histories out there suggests that you have a lot of pedophiles out there offending. I'd like them to get help with an appropriate therapist. I wouldn't exactly stay the hand of an angry mob, though.

>>17481268

Well, something like this it's impossible to know if those who offend are in the majority or the minority. There could be many more pedophiles out there who live their lives without incident, but we'll never know about them because we only learn about those arrested.

Being a paedophile should be illegal. If you're not actively seeking treatment you need getting rid of.

>>17480270
>I hope we have similar laws in the UK, if the pedos are posting fanfics rather than getting help, then it is a matter of time before they view the material or partake in it.
by writing fake storys they dont abuse children in any way and are not supporting the abuse. i dont get why that is supposed to be illegal. its an acceptable form to deal with their urges so i guess its fine.

>>17480270
As an American it's really amazing to me that someone would be in favor of such a clear curtailment of free speech. I guess we really are the only country that sees it as truly untouchable.

Canada has free speech too, but a conditional "within reason" slapped onto it. So say if some one went on a racist tirade, they can be shut up.

>>17481698
>Canada has free speech too, but a conditional "within reason" slapped onto it.
that is the literal opposite of free speech. all governments have free speech "within reason", the only other options are actual free speech and "no talking at all talking is illegal don't write either"

I don't buy it, man. You don't get busted for writing a fanfic. If that really is the case, he only wrote a story, then >>17480398 is right.

It's like the guy 6 or 7 years ago who was busted for importing manga. It had lots of nude lolitas in it (chobits I think) but the media sided with the weeb, claiming it was for shit like Lova Hina, etc. Truth of the matter was the guy literally had an entire room, wall to wall to wall to wall of manga with nude little girls in them with suggestive content. All imported. Canada doesn't like that.