Does anyone actually genuinely experience the feeling of happiness

I think you've confused "drunkenness" with "happiness." and I'm not anti-alcohol at all

>>17424888
I don't mistake them or consider them one and the same. I've been upset while being drunk. I've just never been happy while sober.

>>17424902
>I've been upset while drunk. I've just never been happy while sober.
I'm gonna make money off of this.

I've never drunk alcohol or done drugs and I can't remember the last time I was happy. Will drugs and alcohol fix my problem?

>>17424874

No, everyone who has ever felt happiness in the history of human kind has been drunk. That totally makes sense and isn't a completely retarded thing to say at all.

>>17424910
Escapism can fuck you pretty hard.

>>17424911
Maybe nor humans in general, but myself, my family.

>>17424874

Yeah, I was happy once. It was back in 2007.

>>17424931

How the fuck are we supposed to know anything about you or your family's happiness?

>>17424952
surely I can't be unique? Nobody is.

>>17424959

Ok, if you're going to be an edgy little sad lord and harp on about all this "boo hoo I'm not special and I'll never be happy" bullshit you might as well abandon thread right now.

Here at /adv/, we'll do our best to give you advice but we can't do that if all you really want is just goad people into coming to your pity party.

Happiness is just one of those things in life that you only know you had looking back on it. You take it for granted. But you seem like you're trying to find a reason to keep on being an alcoholic. So whatever man.

ITT: ravings of a delusional alcoholic

>>17424874
Can't say that I'm depressed but I've been feeling shitty for a while, started to distance myself from bad habits like porn/masturbation and smoking.

I always thought that I'd never leave the booze but yesterday I had a spike of energy and optimism that coincidentally ended after drinking a couple of beers.

Whatever it is, it doesn't bring happiness, it dulls my sense of awareness and makes a rollecoaster of your emotions. It gives euphoria but when you have nothing to be euphoric for you'll surely start to make excuses to be euphoric this can only lead into trouble.

>>17424979
I was expecting you people to begin viciously disagreeing with me and listing reasons why I'm wrong.

But you can't do that if I'm right, can you?

>>17424991
So I might as well keep drinking?

>>17424874
Yes, most people do. Yeah either have a mental illness (depression, anxiety etc), or don't have any hobbies/friends etc that you like.

>>17425058
I have hobbies and friends. I just like them better when I'm drunk.

>>17425058
Is depression curable at all, anyway?

>>17425054
What, exactly, was the point of posting something that's so obviously incorrect that even you know it? If you want advice, tell us more about your situation. If you want a "whoa is me" circle jerk , you aren't going to find one here.

>>17425217
If I disagreed, you'd ask me what's the point of making a thread if I don't think I can be helped.

My situation is that I am unhappy at all times when I am sober, and this kind of a matter killed my father. I expect to go the same way though my family hopes I won't.

I've run out of hope, but I wished to see if any of y'all had any to spare.

>>17424874
I think I get more worried. I have a great fear of being alone for my life and how everyone else "gets it." When I drink a lot, I feel like the tiniest person in the world as if everyone else is getting things and I'll be left alone.

>>17425225
Of course you can be helped. Depression, which even someone on the internet can see that you have, is treatable, but you have to take the first step and ask for help. Your doctor should be able to help you in the short term, and point you in the direction of mental health services. Many therapists specialize in helping people with both depression and alcoholism.

Source: Diagnosed with major depressive disorder 14 years ago

>>17425238
I'm seeing a shrink who put me into a shitty group therapy thing for self-harm but I opted out.

test

>>17425241
And? Do you like your therapist? Did you communicate to him or her the reasons why you didn't like the group thing??Have you seen this person more than 2-3 times? You can always get a new one. Therapists, like all humans in all professions, are not created equal. Plus, there are several different schools of thought and thus several different approaches to healing that a mental health professional can take. One person's method might not gel with you, but another's could be totally perfect.

>>17424874

i dont htink ive ever been 'genuinely happy' when drunk to be honest. but i have sober

>>17424874
Yes.
I have a beautiful daughter who is almost one and I feel genuinely happy during all our moments together

As someone who absolutely loves craft beers (which I'm passionate to the degree to the degree i've tried hundreds--probably thounds--of different ones, have gone to places just to visit breweries, have touring belgium for it's beer on my bucket list, and drinks pretty much every day of the weekend:

If you believe this is true:
>Does anyone actually genuinely experience the feeling of happiness while sober or is that a myth created by the anti-alcohol people?

You are very probably an alcoholic.

I have never--for a second--believed that I need alcohol to be happy.

Does it help make good times greater? Sure, sometimes it can.

But there are definitely moments in my life--many more in fact--that I'm glad that I've experienced sober and where being drunk would have diminished how great they were.

>>17425242
test again. sorry. think I was banned, but have no earthly idea why...

>>17425249
It's kind of a complicated matter but I need the shrink for something else, I'm having my time wasted concerning a sex change, so I can't afford to show any flaws.

>>17425264
I shouldn't breed.

>>17425309
The entire point is that you need to tackle your other problems and be in a decent place mentally in order to have a successful, happy, helathy transition. Hiding your real problems from your therapist is like walking backwards.

>>17425328
I've been waiting for eight years. I honestly don't care if I die because my head can't handle the hormones, I don't want to wait another eight, and if nothing else, I just don't want a girl name on my gravestone.

>>17425121
Then you are probably just an alcoholic.

>>17425180
Treatable.

>>17425351
The only real former alcoholic is a dead alcoholic.

>>17424874

Wait, do I need to drink booze to answer this question?

I don't drink or do any drugs other than take my prescribed Valium as needed, which isn't very often.

I think drinking is how you cope with stress for a lot of people or it's just an escape for them from this harsh reality.

>>17425384
>I don't do drugs
>valium

>>17424874
I sure hope they do. I've got nothing against alcohol, -I brew some myself- but I can't drink. Medical reasons. I'd hate to think that the happiness I feel is somehow fake.

More seriously, OP, you sound like you've become an alcoholic. Please, seek help.

>>17425405
Valium is hardly a "drug", not like it gets you buzzed or anything.

>>17425407
What help is there for alcoholics? Christian scams and the noose.

>>17425440
Alcoholics anonymous perhaps?

>>17425447
>Christian scams and the noose

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>>17425414

Well I'm prescribed 4 x 10 MG as needed but I just started Lamictal three months ago and it's killed my anxiety and social phobia.

I have two full bottles of 120 x 10 MG Valium just sitting here.

That's 240 pills, right?

Dude, fuck math.

>>17425477
>killed my anxiety and social phobia.
Yeah well that's what it's meant to do. I've been prescribed it for lower back pain, as it's also a muscle relaxant. They give them out like they're skittles.

I only feel legitimate happiness and wonder on LSD, sometimes on adderall.

Drinking makes me feel like an asshole.

If you can only feel happy while on drugs or drinking alcohol, you're obviously just depressed or an addict. I feel happy every day sober, I drink on occasion, but that's going too far

>>17424979
>we

Alcohol is a drug and using it to self medicate as a form of escapism from issues with your life will fuck you in the end. It will eventually become a go to solution for your problems which will increase your dependence upon it by teaching you that you cannot find solutions to your problems without it.

I can't judge people for this, but once you become aware of this behaviour you cannot excuse it while remaining honest or even expecting sympathy.

op your post sounds like a mild cry for help. Listen to yourself. I've no issue with drugs, but they should be the icing on a great cake, not icing covering up a shitty cake.

Also valium very much gets you buzzed and works in a similar way to alcohol combining them potentiates both and rapidly increases the chance of poor decision making, talking absolute shit which you'll later regret, spending all your money, having memory problems, getting black out drunk, choking on your own vomit and never waking up. Don't drink on valium because it'll make both drugs about three times as potent.

Also don't abuse valium because then it doesn't work for anxiety when needed and the rebound anxiety, withdrawals and insomnia are horrific and in some cases potentially life threatening.

I've abused diazapines and alcohol on and off for a long time. Honestly the withdrawals from both are horrible. Also life stinks while doing so because you've no memory.

>>17426207
Hmmm well valium doesn't do shit for me. Disappointing.

>>17425984

Wait, are you talking about the Lamictal or the Valium?

I meant that taking the Lamictal killed my anxiety and social phobia so I didn't need to take Valium anymore.

Valium does do shit to you, just in therapeutic doses it might not seem significant unless you suffer from anxiety. If you suffer from anxiety a 2mg will reduce it and that can be a lifeline if you are used to having panic attacks where you can't leave the house and end up in a cycle of self loathing, pity and depression. It won't put you on your ass or make you feel funny though, most people would describe it as boring. 5mg, 10mg these doses are still boring, but help with getting to sleep and dealing with shit. You don't start to get wobbly and weird until 30mg+ and most people would still find it boring and might not remember anything interesting about the evening at all, you'd definitely be impaired though you might not notice or realise it.

Higher doses are like sleep walking or lucid dreaming. Like being drunk, but without the obvious signs of being drunk. Gets chaotic and potentially dangerous because you act drunk and want to redose or drive while believing yourself to be sober. Can't remember shit.

Also once you've done this you can't easily go back to the days of 2mg reducing your anxiety.

Also the rebound anxiety and insomnia and night terrors and sweating generally make withdrawals hideous.

Diazapines come in three main types which alter the duration and speed of which they come on and wear off. They come in a huge variety of flavours which influence the body load, the slurring, the euphoria the staggering and the blackouts. I've had short acting powerful as shit ones where I lose a day acting manic then have a horrible rapid come down and I've had ones which last three days and I've looked back and wondered where 3 days went because I've not been present for them and shit where did these bruises come from?