How can I differentiate between "not interested" and

>>17326791
one will get a restraining order

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>>17326791
Just don't. Fuck that shit.
If girls want to play stupid immature games, they can find some other sucker.

body language

>>17326791
what the fuck is the point of "playing hard to get?" how much of a pretentious fuck must you be to be attracted to an individual but insist that he/she must "prove" themselves by being persistent and displaying their value to you.

such a person would have to be so far up their own ass that i wouldn't even date them.

my gf has a beta orbiter friend that pursued another girl for THREE FUCKING YEARS. he would buy her gifts, take her on expensive dates, go to parties with her and watch as she flirted with other guys/guys flirted with her, and would nag her about "what they were."

they've finally been dating for the past few months and i met her for the first time on his birthday. she's a fucking average girl, 7/10.

>>17326897
I suppose that if there are orbiters to reinforce the attitude then there'll always be that attitude. Hard to say which influences which more, but it's a really unhealthy dynamic.

>>17326791

by asking her out. if she says anything other than yes, shes playing too hard to get.

this is assuming you have put in the proper steps to getting to the date asking point

>>17326926
The orbiter dated another girl. Learn to read.

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>>17326863

He or she might be shy.

>>17326791
If you are more attractive than her or not.

>>17326791
Assume they're not interested. Playing hard to get is really about sex, but dense people think it's about dating.

>>17326914
This. Ask her out. If she is interested at all and single she will say yes. Don't worry about the steps part or wait for the right moment that's all bullshit that will keep you from doing anything. If she is attracted to you she will say yes. If she says no, take it gracefully and move on.