What basic skills should any 21st century male in western society

>>17288452
Cooking, cleaning, money management, good sleeping habits, control over alcohol consumption.

Also the ability to talk to companies over the phone, because that comes up a lot. Oh, and not vital but ironing and knowing how to put on a tie will both be useful.

This isn't male-specific but everyone should learn how to fix common household items such as a broken sink, a toilet that won't flush or a door that won't lock. If a friend encounters such a problem and needs help, offer to show them how to fix it.

>>17288452
Fitness, health, hygeine, sense of fashion, self pride

The ability to say "thank you" and "I'm sorry"

Any basic self care habits, bathing, laundry, food preparing, budget handling, grass mowing, home tidying.

Any specific hobby or talent that can be developed in free time (ex. Music, art, gardening, fixing, etc.) that isn't simply video games, porn or other media consumption. Contribute a part of yourself to something you find real and important, it gives you a reason when you feel like you have none.

>>17288459
>video games
I don't care if I sound ignorant, I find it hard to consider video games a hobby. It's just a leisurely past time. It's not respectable as a hobby, it's not like you get better and more talented at video games. It just doesn't equate to real life skills IMO.

>>17288455
>good sleeping habits, control over alcohol consumption.

those aren't skills

>>17288462
It's a skill because it requires will power and discipline.

>>17288461
>It's just a leisurely past time.
That's what a hobby is.

>It just doesn't equate to real life skills
Neither do any other hobbies.

You disrespect video games because of their cultural position as a children's toy, which is a consequence of their relative novelty.

>>17288463
That's not the definition of a skill.

>>17288458
also not skills

>>17288459
>The ability to say "thank you" and "I'm sorry"
>Any basic self care habits, bathing
not skills

>>17288452

Without any context, it's hard to answer; there are so many areas in life one can have skills.

In no order at all:

Hygene: If you're going to be part of society, it's apprecieted that you don't smell. Showering well requires more than just getting wet and having soap breifly touch your skin. Work up an actual lather, turn off the water while you work it across your body, paying extra attention to those places you know get smelly. Then, rinse well enough that your fingertips don't glide across your skin on a layer of oil or soap. Your fingertips will "grip" a bit to really clean skin. You'll know the feeling when you feel it. Don't just wet your hair and put shampoo in. Really rinse it first. Get it wet and work it around as though it had shampoo already, and then rinse it out. Even though you won't see it, lots of oil will come through rinsing, which lets your shampoo work better. Really massage the shampoo in; it's largely your scalp that you're cleaning, not your hair, so, and without using your nails, scrub your scalp until it feels really clean. Then let the shampoo stay in your hair until the end of your shower before rinsing it out. When you don't see any suds, you're still only about halfway done rinsing.

It feels good to be actually clean, and in my opinion, this is the barest minimum that every person in society *has* to accomplish before interacting with others. It just sucks to have to politely ignore smelly person.

>>17288464
>neither do other hobbies
Absolute bullshit. If my hobby is woodworking I can make and fix things for my house. The same can't be said about video games. Video games literally do absolutely nothing for your real life skills.

>>17288461
I agree, but I thought I should clarify that something beyond time of free time. I don't play games myself, personally find it pointless.

>>17288464
By a hobby I didn't mean something one already does to waste time. Setting goals to achieve in games is still ultimately meaningless to me.
Unless you plan to ride the LP youtube train I suggest a more lucrative talent to set goals to accomplish for.

>>17288466
Having a knowledge of health, fitness and nutrition is definitely a skill. Putting them into safe practice is also a skill.

>>17288468
That depends entirely on the video game. I wouldn't know a quarter as much as I do about geography if I hadn't played a lot of historical strategy games.

And beyond that, there are plenty of "respectable" hobbies that don't translate into real skills either. I play the violin. I can't do anything practical with my violin playing skills.

>>17288473
>I can't do anything practical with my violin playing skills
Join an orchestra, a band, play solo, busk on the streets for money and to entertain others, be a session musician?

>>17288469
Posted too early. Sorry if my English is awkward, but it reminded me:

Learn a language. In my opinion one of the most valuable skills is being a multilingualist. Obtainig a better understanding of something you previously didn't understand is eye opening.

>>17288473
I think the arts are actually very practical. There is more to music than simply idea or theory

>>17288469
If you consider anything that doesn't lead to making money to be a meaningless waste of time, then more power to you.

The entire point of a hobby though, is that you enjoy doing it. Most people who aren't horribly dull find inherent worth in doing things that they enjoy.

>>17288467

Listening:

I find that the smarter someone is, the less they talk. It's not because talking is bad, but because listening more and better requires talking more briefly and less often. Listening well, all the time, grants insights that people who don't listen well will miss. There are plenty of people that are quite intelligent, but frequently come off looking like idiots, and it's because they're shit at listening. Because they're shit at listening, they suffer from a general deficit of information, and so are forced to make guesses and assumptions, large and small, about things that, had they been listening better, they'd know. When they guess wrong, when they make wrong assumptions, they look like idiots. Those listening well end up looking much more capable, even if they're not as smart or not working as hard.

>>17288461
>It's not respectable as a hobby
A hobby doesn't need to be respectable. A hobby is a hobby regardless of whether you find it respectable. You don't get to redefine how the english language works. It's fine if you wish to communicate that you don't respect video games. There may or there may not be value in your opinion that video games are not respectable. However, regardless of whether it has value or not, people will automatically reject your opinion if you don't express it correctly.

>>17288475
There are lots of people these days who are making money playing video games. Probably more people making more money more easily than violinists.

>>17288478
I enjoy video games casually. I don't enjoy them like hardcore gamers that I know where there entire existence is based around games.

The worst person I know irl literally works, plays games, sleeps, wakes up, games, works and repeat. He sinks his entire life into video games. He has literally no talent outside of that shit.

>>17288478
You shouldn't put words into my mouth. I only don't enjoy video games and find them pointless in my own daily routines, even as an entertainment venue. No need to be salty that I am not interested in what you are.

>>17288484
Yeah making money as annoying twitch streamers or YouTube commentators entertaining millennial teenagers. It disgusts me that people can get paid to do such an incredibly lazy "job".

You should be able to do as much of the work you need to sustain yourself and your family as possible. What do I mean by this?

Washing machine breaks, you should be able to diagnose and fix it
Car needs maintenance, you should be able to do it
Your house needs protecting, you should have the skills to defend it
Stuck in the wood? You should be able to survive for a couple days.

There are things you can't/shouldn't attempt. You can't re-roof your house in a day and you don't want to leave it exposed, get a contractor out. You can't see around your head, go to a barber etc etc.

Basically you should be knowledgeable in as many areas as possible, and you should strive to do these things well. Other than that, be presentable. Know how to tie a tie, have a Cologne, and keep your hair trimmed.

Oh, and know how to pick nice things. Know real wood from laminate, what makes a good frying pan, and what is good craftsmanship.

>>17288468

Playing any game (video or otherwise) stregthens the skills needed to win at tgat game. FPSs might not translate into much, but many games are exercises in foresight and probability, which are useful skills. They don't provide discrete, tangible benefits, the way knowing how to roast a chicken does, but that doesn't meam they provide no benefits at all, or that the benefits are negligable.

>>17288486
I don't care what you like and I'm not putting words in your mouth. You explicitly talked about the worth of hobbies, "wasting time", and things being "lucrative". That's what you said.

A hobby, BY DEFINITION, is something you do just as a pastime, for fun. If you are working to make it more than that, then it's not a hobby, it's a profession.

>>17288488
Fat lot of good it's doing you being disgusted by how people make money.

>>17288486
I don't think any words were put in your mouth. You recommended to pursue a more lucrative use of time than playing video games unless making capitals from youtube. You made it about money.

>>17288493
>foresight and probability
The average educated human should have these skills regardless.

Here is a basic skills that everyone should have in the 21st century society: the ability to calmly look up the definition of a word, such as "hobby", before using it incorrectly in an internet argument.

>>17288497
Well yeah of course. I'm just saying, I have very few morals, but I find these "careers" laughable, lazy and unfair that the average joe has to work twice as hard just to earn the same dollar.

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>>17288494
I'm pretty sure OP isn't looking for the suggestion to play more video games, but for marketable or useful things to learn when life happens.

For the most part, barring really pushing the envelope and scrapng the barrel for skills, they wont do shit for you that you can't learn somewhere else at a more efficient rate.

>>17288499
No, I really didnt. My meaning is that there isn't much use to be gleaned from video games in general unless you are aiming to make money from them. The genres and specifics of games are too wide and vague to assume that someone who plays video games is gleening any skills from them.

I think OP should pick up a hobby separate from media consumption because logging 9000 hours on LOL isn't going to help him fix his leaky roof, negotiate directions in an unfamiliar country. Being a contributer or producer in terms of the arts is always superior to mere consumption, at least you have made something.

If he were making a game it would be a different story than simply playing

>>17288505
Everybody puts enormously different amounts of effort into their jobs to recieved enormously different amounts of money to serve enormously different vital needs. Third world subsistance farmers work 10 times harder than the "average joe" for a fraction of the dollar to feed larger families.

>>17288511
Kys

>>17288513
OP is asking for general skills that everybody should have, not specializations grown out of hobbies.

>>17288516
We're not talking about the third world though. Besides, it's more that these YouTube channels are making money

a) playing video games
b) stealing content (not their video game)
c) making money for sitting down at a computer doing next to nothing and screaming flamboyantly and exaggerating stupid shit

>>17288524
If they're making money, they must be providing value for somebody.

>>17288513
>I'm pretty sure OP isn't looking for the suggestion to play more video games,
It doesn't matter what OP wants. The sentence " I find it hard to consider video games a hobby" is wrong regardless of what is written in the OP. This could be a thread about shemale porn and the sentence would still be wrong.

>My meaning is that there isn't much use to be gleaned from video games in general
That is a fine opinion. You communicated it wrong. You used the word hobby while thinking about productivity. Stop raising a fuss about it and communicate your opinion correctly the next time. That is all.

>>17288521
Yes, and I believe that it is important for anyone in this time period to have a hobby such as the ones I mentioned, something to create goals in with which they can feel good about themselves for obtaining and continuing to work at it. OP should find something creative they are passionate about and pursue it further than being a consumer. Developing self esteem and respect and being able to set goals and achieve them is a valuable skill that can be honed with something such as the violin, drawing, archery, what have you. I hope you understand what I am trying to convey.

A hobby that goes further than consumption is most definitely valuable. It is tangible self improvement in addition to "useful" skills. Even if you can't make money, it will enrich your life.

>>17288528
be honest though, stop trying to look at it from a completely objective point of view.

They're providing meaningless, dumb "entertainment" to (for the most part) under aged, immature children and teenagers.

If by value you mean keeping big corporations like Google and videogame corporations happy, sure?

>>17288530
That post you are thinking of wasn't me, there are multiple people present. I merely agreed that I wouldn't suggest it after they replied to me, because I think that anon misinterpreted my original post. All I ever said was, a hobby besides video games is good to learn.

>>17288530
I'm just under the assumption you're a big gamer who can't stand that someone shit on your precious games

>>17288532
Okay but that still is not what OP asked.

>>17288539
The topic deviates. Who cares. This thread should be able life skills, important culturally enriching hobbies and everything else

>>17288539
He asked what basic skills a male should have in western society.

Learning to set goals and developing self respect are important basic skills which can be obtained in the way that I mentioned, it is very relevant.

You wanted to argue about the value of games and the meaning of hobby but I did not even post the words that triggered you, the one who went off topic is you.

>>17288533
I look at everything from a completely objective point of view.

There will always be underaged immature children and teenagers, because that's how human reproduction works, and kids enjoy being entertained.

And most of the "average joes" out there are also providing value to big corporations. Big corporations rule the world.

Niggas got butt mad in here over video games lolllll

Come on, if that's like your main hobby get a fucking life this is coming from someone who spent an hour figuring out how to mod Steam copy of GTAIV last night

>>17288538
I am not the person who brought up video games in this thread. I am another person.

>>17288541
>this thread shouls be about EVERYTHING IN LIFE
The reason we have the concept of threads is to provide FOCUSED discussion.
>>17288544
Nope. You keep stretching the meaning of the word "skill" to the absolute breaking point. It's pretty obvious what OP meant. Being able to fix a leaky pipe. Being able to change a car's oil. Being able to open a bank account. Tangible things. Not "being able to set goals and develop self respect". It is blatantly, ridiculously obvious that he was NOT talking about vague nonspecific life advice.

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>>17288538
I'm not an advocate for video games, I'm an advocate for leisure.

>>17288550
Even if he wasnt, it would be sorely missed out on and you would be a fool to think otherwise. Enriching your life is just as important fixing a pipe, except you can't hire someone to do it for you. There is nothing vague and nonspecific about learning discipline, setting goals and achieving them through the use of developing a talent or hobby. Drawing is tangible. Music is tangible. Building is tangible.

You can fix a pipe and still be a miserable shit with low self worth and sense of achievement. I have seen plenty of people like that.

If OP wants an important basic skill, he has to learn the very foundation of honing any skills, through practice and understanding and discipline. Having a passion kills two birds with one stone as he will learn about himself as he develops his talent for his passions.

There is nothing hard to understand or vague about it. You can't skip step one.

>>17288562
You're really hilarious. OP asked for basic skills any man should have. He didn't ask for the key to living a fulfilling life.

Oh but you would be a fool to NOT ask for that, right? Why would anybody ever ask a question other than the most important one? Deep, man. Like whoa.

>>17288566
I hope you feel better after acting superior on a Chinese knitting image board for focusing on mere semantics of what you, specifically feel is useful or important advice.

A man should have a passion. I'm sorry if you know nothing about that. Chances are slim looking at our surroundings, but I am no position to judge you, so I will feel sorry for you instead.

>>17288570
lol

A man should be involved in local politics, because it's just as important as larger government politics. I'm going to go into every thread on /adv/ and tell people that, because it's true. I'm sure they'll appreciate it and if they don't, I feel sorry for them.

>>17288574
>A man should be involved in local politics, because it's just as important as larger government politics
>politic
>important
yeah just as important as your deluded opinion

>>17288574
You are moving goalposts. OP asked for important basic skills. I suggested he find something he is passionate about to hone his talent. Not listing specific skills like a PowerPoint presentation does not make my point less relevant. Something you enjoy to do and can keep improving on is a valuable basic skill for any man, woman, or manchild.

You are trying to refute something that isn't even there, there is no argument to be had here. What I have said is relevant advice to a man in modern society. To anyone. Who hurt you, anon?

>>17288580
How am I moving goal posts? If having good sleeping habits, saying "thank you", and bathing are relevant, why shouldn't engaging with your local community also be?

>>17288461
>it's not like you get better and more talented at video games.
If you played something more than angry birds then sure, you can definitely get better and video games and can ever make money at a pro level.

>>17288590
I didn't say it wasnt relevant. But you are exaggerating what I have said. Posting in every thread is different than one about basic skills with things that people often forget or overlook as things which can be hard to do or take time to accomplish. You should be familiar with people unable to apologize for mistakes. Not being an asshole is valuable in a society that continues in a downward spiral of glorifying narcissistic and nihilistic tendencies. You would be surprised at the number of peopen who simply don't fucking bathe themselves or don't know how to do housework. And the rest I have already been over more than once. Learning a language is not even up for debate as a good basic skill.

You act as if I have said things that I have not after saying "what if I do this completely different thing which isn't comparable". I have no idea what you expect to accomplish but your experience with people must be very little if you are unable to understand the importance of these things and how few people realize how important they are.

>>17288452
needlepoint

>>17288452
I believe a man should have the following skills:

-Ability to earn money
So he can support his lifestyle
-Ability to court women
It's a man thing
-Ability to build working relationships as well as friendships
-and two hobbyist skills that he's really good at

Basically it depends on what the man values

Sense of societal responsibility

Same as females

>>17288452
Knowing how much dignity to trade for money.
Knowing when to pick your battles.