Give me a good reason to go on living that's not family

>>16525852
Life is the most universally valuable thing.
Don't waste yours

Exploration of new fields, bettering yourself, artistic expression
You're better than suicide, anon. It doesn't have to be your stallion.

Because you will never get to experience any of the little pleasure in life ever again. If you don't have big goals, live for little goals, like good food or a day with friends.

Just imagine all the things you've yet to experience and learn. For me, I'd like to learn all I can and experience everything possible in my lifetime. It'd just give me such a feeling of fufillment knowing so much about the world before my death.

>>16525852
It gets worse. Enjoy watching those around you suffer because they expected it to get better.

>>16525857

Value is just prescribed by individuals/society. Nothing has innate value, life included.

>>16525862

I try to better myself as best I can, but how am I supposed to do the rest when I can't even afford to eat every other day?

I've been saving for university for 5 years just so that I won't be in a dead end anymore.

>>16525874

I won't have to watch if I'm dead

Gassing Jews

>>16525870

The little things aren't worth the amount of struggle. It doesn't weigh up, not even close.

>>16525852
>give me a reason
>not those reasons though

If all you want is for us to give reasons so you can knock them down to feel even worse about yourself.... then you're a fuckin cliché m8

Enjoy being depressed but not going through with it and feeling worse and worse every day until, derp, it gets better. Hopefully you'll have the sense to recognize we were right all along, but you dont seem to have the inclination for rational thought required to make such a connection.

Everything has a cause, if your feeling like you should die, there must be things around you that are effecting you in a way that leads you to believe as you do, the things that effect you can change, they can get worse and they can get better, you gotta find your own strength, as cheesy as it sounds true happiness comes from within, its not easy but dont let your environment dictate how you feel.

>>16525852
Not OP, but I sure would like to know some of this stuff as well.

Even my passion run dry, and not I don't like it anymore but because I don't have the motivation for it because all I can think of is that I'll never be able to do what I want with it.

It doesn't help that I have literally no feedback from anybody and if it's nearly always been assumed that I'll fail whatever I try.

>>16525906

I said a /good/ reason.

It is exactly my rational thought that is leading to this. You don't know anything about my life, my current situation and how bad it is and has been for years.

>>16525907

This I actually agree with, I just wish I had some kind of direction. I don't know how to change it or how I can gain the power to do so.

>>16525878
you could argue that every emotional concept is "made up by society" or "not real" but since they have a direct impact on the way we interact and develope, they matter. Value included.
Things have value to you, don't they? You care about your family member's life more than you care about a piece of fruit, right? You'd likely care about them regardless of the culture/society you grew up in, which is why life is so amazing- it's universally valued. Anything that is living(plants, animals and people) is constantly struggling to stay alive.
Don't allow philosophical musings to cloud your vision and prevent you from understanding yourself/the world. When people believe that nothing has value, they tend to fall into a pit- thinking that any effort they put forth is in vain. Don't fall for that crap. Set some goals for yourself. They can align with goals that society has set for you, or they can be completally of your own choosing.
Go outside and see how much bark you can chop off a tree. Go to an animal shelter and adopt an animal that you resonate with. Find a career you love and run with it. Set some goals for yourself, whatever they may be, and just do them. Create value in your life

>>16525919

I've been trying to do that for years. The problem is finance and I'm in a hole that I seemingly have no way of getting myself out of.

>>16525924
The change needs to be brought about by something drastic. A lot of people have a revelation after tragidy strikes, but that's not really ideal for someone activly seeking change.
I suggest you summon any motivation you have left and spend it investigating spiritual belief systems to find one that you resonate with. A lot of people have spiritual epiphanies that totally change their value system, behavior, and work ethic.

It could probably be a lot worse.

>>16525936

Spirituality won't feed me and believe me when I say it would be lovely to have that comfort but I am not capable of believing in anything non-physical.

>>16525945

Aside from being starving to death rather than just starving and violence being done against me, I can't really see how. It could definitely be a lot better.

>>16525915
Well thats the thing its not really about changing the world around you as it is about changing how you deal with the input you receive. Change is constant and we only have so much control over things, its how you deal with it that matter.

>>16525959
What do you believe in postmortem?

Try reading the depression posts from Hyperbole and a Half. They explain it better than I ever could.

I tried to link it but damn spam filter kept catching it.

>>16525963

I don't see how else I could deal with it? I'm still actively trying to pursue interests, careers, goals. I'm still managing to feed myself. They're all dead ends and have been for years now because of finance.

There's literally nothing else I can do without more money, which doesn't come from nowhere.

>>16525972

Nothing, non existence.

>>16525973

Looking that up now, thanks for the read suggestion :)

You shouldn't.

Remember: if the drop is less than six foot your neck won't snap and you'll asphyxiate. Don't be that guy.

>>16525977
You only get one chance to try and live a full life. Something tells me you've been half assing it. Improve your health.

>>16526004

You couldn't be more wrong about that, and could you please make a suggestion for improving my health?

>>16525977
cultivate an advantages mental outlook, dont cling to external stimulus, be equanimous and just learn more, the more you understand everything the better off you will be. thats all I got. good luck

>>16526012
Start with a mental health check up, then mull through your diet and balance your nutrients.

>>16525977
Depression Part 2 is probably more appropriate to your current mental state.

>>16526022

That is effectively what I've been doing for years only the knowledge leads me to be more depressed or just apathetic. Appreciate the comment though.

>>16526024

I've actually been longing to see a professional for quite some time, but I can't afford to.

My diet consists of rice, water, stock and the occasional fruit/veg that I can afford at the time. One meal a day.

>>16526031

Just starting that now

>>16525959
Don't say that.
I used to be just like that- I didn't believe anything that wasn't clearly evident right in front of my face.
Humans arnt built to work so logically- you will destroy yourself emotionally. I used to think that it was specifically stupid for people to believe in things that had no evidence, but now that I've actually read the scripture and applied the teachings to my perspective, I see that there's an an "emotional intellegence" that comes along with spirituality.
Becoming spiritual is just like learning any other thing, Anon. You start by reading the books and writing reflections in a journal. Are there things you don't understand or disagree with? How do other people interpret these things? How do these things make you feel emotionally? What changes occur when you apply the teachings to your perspective?

Something I've personally found helpful is gratitude. I make a point to deliberately appreciate things throughout my day. In the morning, I am grateful for being able to sleep. As I do my morning routine, I am grateful for having the money to buy makeup, and grateful that I live in a society that allows me to hide my flaws with makeup, and thankful that I was created beautifully. On my way to work, I am thankful that I have the opportunity and skill sets to provide a service to others and make money. When I have piles of homework, I am thankful that I have access to a quality education that can further both my intellegence and my career.
As a result, I've noticed a signifigant increase in my level of happiness just from applying this one behavioral change. The gratitude prevents me from assuming that I am owed any of these things, and allows me to reflect on my blessings and privledges.
Gratitude works well for me, but there may be another spiritual principle that works better for you. Just start reading some spiritual texts and see where it takes you.

>>16525924
Become evil and just steal what you need to live.

>>16526040

I will start by saying that I am naturally curious, and I have studied religion and philosophy since I was in school. Its always been an interest for me, but more as something to understand people and not life. Its not something I can just click and suddenly have faith. I don't see any reason to believe in anything and the bible, qu'ran, abstract philosophy and buddhism haven't changed that at all. Buddhism is the closest thing to agreement I have with spirituality, but that's not a religion, its more a method of acceptance of a harsh reality. I personally don't want to accept the world for what it is, and I think its because most people do that it is far worse than it could be.

I do try my best to be grateful. For both things given and things by nature or that I achieve for myself. I don't have very much to be grateful for. I don't have a home, I don't have friends, I can't even sleep or eat properly.

>>16526067

I still have a conscience unfortuntely

>>16526071
Is your life worth less than material goods?

>>16526079

To most people yes, to me no. But I have basic needs, and beyond that wants.

>>16525915
You said a good reason BESIDES those. That implies you recognize them as good reasons but want to exclude them.

So I thought
>is consciously disregarding good reasons he recognizes as good reasons
>is placing responsibility on others to bring up as many other reasons as possible
>being that these reasons are individual value judgements, it is easy for him to find no value in them since they have no idea who he is and are shooting in the dark to help him
>knowing nothing about him, they will obviously be miss more than hit home with him
>he's getting people to set them up just so he can knock them down
>he must be intentionally trying to feel worse

Woe is you, faggot.

Hey all, I have to go to work now.

I might be back later tonight, sometimes the cafe owner lets me use wifi like this but they're not always around.

I saved that comic as a pdf and I'm gonna keep reading it tonight.

>>16526095

No, I said beside those because I don't think they're good reasons for me but they're the first thing that get said in any thread of this nature.

>is consciously disregarding good reasons he recognizes as good reasons

I'm not, I don't think they are.

>is placing responsibility on others to bring up as many other reasons as possible

Its not my intention to place responsibility on others, I just ask because I've been unable to come up with any myself.

>being that these reasons are individual value judgements, it is easy for him to find no value in them since they have no idea who he is and are shooting in the dark to help him

I can't really help that without writing an essay about my life to every detail

>knowing nothing about him, they will obviously be miss more than hit home with him

I accepted that when I made the thread, I just thought maybe something would surprise me.

>he's getting people to set them up just so he can knock them down

No, that's just disagreement.

>he must be intentionally trying to feel worse

I don't really see how I could feel much worse without physical pain.

For that we would have to know what is bothering you.

>>16526108
Besides stealing, which is clearly implied, I'd say live for the company of others (e.g. make friends).

>>16525852
Because you're not Chris Chan

>>16526071
Then work for those things and you'll be very happy when you have them.
The religions you listed are the "mainstream" ones, but just because they're popular doesn't mean they're the right fit for you.
If you do decide to take another look at them, do so activly trying to BELIEVE in them. Don't remove yourself from the equation, because it will never click that way. I used to hate religion because I looked at everything in a context that suited my prejudices. I saw churches as nothing but controlling and manipulative- playing on tragidy and fear to brainwash people. But after taking a step back and trying to eliminate those prejudices, I've been able to see the good that comes from religion. When reading the passages, don't think "what does this say about the society who wrote it?"- instead try thinking "What is God telling me through this?" Even if it's just temporary- assume that their IS a god. Entertain the possibility, even if you don't believe it, so that you are able to UNDERSTAND the passages.

From one naturally curious person to another- take some time and check it out. It will stretch your brain in amazing ways and you'll come out of the experience more emotionally intellegent and aware.
Wisdom is being able to balance faith and logic in harmony- being aware, but at peace with reality. Find your reality and make peace with it

drugs.

>>16525852

you'd be throwing the most important thing you have.

but it's up to you.

Internet dating 'n raping/Xtra cheesy porn/sex filled trips to 3rd world

>>16526175

you're fucked.

Star Wars isn't out yet.

Because exist life after death and you gonna feel exactly what actually feel right now, but dont have a body for do what you want. So you gonna continue feel miserable but can do nothing about it . Now you can distract yourself in arts or i d n but there you gonna be miserable as fuck. Cheers OP

>>16525852
Kill yourself or actually put effort into making your life better. You're suffering because you don't have the resolve to do either. Pick one.