>MC dreams of becoming a military dictator and the secret police are the good guys
>genocide is completely justified
>the good guys are a military group who rule heaven as a feudal ghetto
>genocide is completely justified
>the good guys are people rebelling against the corrupt police state
>genocide is evil
>his shit comedy series is actually deep and meaningful
I'm not sure if he realizes it or not but he's doing the opposite.
In both bleach and naruto the protagonists are bad guy being perceived as good guys(like most heroic figures through out history) so of course they'll condone stuff like genocide because it does them no harm.
While in OP the good guys are only accused of being bad when they're anything but, making them seem much more "generic" in a sense.
>While in OP the good guys are only accused of being bad when they're anything but
I mean... The protagonist did cause a mass escape from the biggest prison in the world causing untold numbers of thieves, rapists, and murderers to be released onto the world.
>The protagonist did cause a mass escape from the biggest prison in the world causing untold numbers of thieves, rapists, and murderers to be released onto the world.
so did Danny Phantom
Funny thing. I remember clearly the ninjas exist as mediators. They kill other ninjas so the civilians in their countries don't have to fight in or be affected by wars.
>people who are already dead
>muh luffy crew
>A thieve, a nigger, a morron, a furry, a mass murderer and a generalized criminal are gud guys. They din du nufin.
Second commishill thread in 3 hours. Are the mods asleep?
95% of pirates are assholes who murder and steal shit. In fact, a large portion of the series is dedicated to Luffy defeating faggot tyrant pirates to liberate a country or town.
Tyrants that are in some cases employed by the tyranical goverment who has it out for luffy&co for disrupting their perfect tyranical goverment. Remember how they nuked an antire island to oblivion because some of its inhabitants had read a histroy book they didn't want them to read? That tyranical goverment. There are bad people among the pirates sure, but we all know who the big bad of the series is. And it is worse by a looong mile from those individual pirates&crews, which are, again, sometimes even in the service of said goverment.
Ichigo wins the award for the worst.
Almost no curiosity about what's really going on in his world. Fully content with preserving the status quo and letting the corruption he does know continue.
Although it's really Kubo who's to blame for poor world building and rarely following through with plot points.
The worst case was nobody in the Vandenreich bringing up Mayuri's atrocities against quincy. In any logical world Ishida would have at least tried to snipe him.
Yeah I thought it was hilarious when Kidd and Luffy interacted at all. Luffy doesn't like people who mindlessly go around slaughtering random villagers but was paling around with Kidd on Bubble Island.
It was pretty funny that outside of the wealthy elite walled off Sereitei are a bunch of soul ghettos where powerless souls are forced to form fake families to survive, and this is supposed to be the "heaven" equivalent where good souls go when their body dies.
And Kubo never addressed that ever again
because Yhwach was right.
>Fully content with preserving the status quo and letting the corruption he does know continue.
Why not? He's already got a perfectly good set up with the shinigami as they are so why would he throw all that away for a bunch of poorfags he doesn't even know?
As long as the shinigami keep giving him bad guys to beat up so he can relieve his insecurities he's going to keep being their tool till they inevitably betray him(but he'll probably never find out about that anyway)
>be lord of the jews
>try to take the afterlife back from the nippon nazis
>get betrayed by your son who happens to be the anti christ and your successor who happens to be gay for said anti christ
>be condemned to a fate worse than death for trying to save everyone
Being Yhwach is suffering
What was Naruto's tax policy? How did he feel about globalization and immigration? How did he ensure everyone had access to the health care they needed and pay for constant property damage?
>How did he ensure everyone had access to the health care they needed and pay for constant property damage?
These two aren't as important for a shinobi village due to everyone having superhuman abilities and healing magic.
damages should be much easier and quicker to repair meaning less payment and again, healing magic.
He's the most powerful thing ever on his world and rivaled by an edgy shit that's obviously gay for him. He does whatever the fuck he thinks is best and everyone, everywhere goes along with it cause they can't do jack shit if he really, really wants something. After he dies, everything just goes back to being the same old petty shit.
>After he dies, everything just goes back to being the same old petty shit.
If that's the case, shouldn't they have just gone with Pain's plan? WMDs have proven to be very effective in maintaining world peace.
Why compare Luffy to Danny when he should be compared to Timmy Turner?
>Luffy did free those prisoners on purpose
You're assuming he fully intends for hundreds of thousands of civilians to get murdered, robbed, raped etc and didn't just do it out of stupidity like everything he does.
When the vice warden Hanyabal confronted Luffy about that, Luffy didn't give a single fuck.
Ultimately he is selfish. All of his good deeds have been for the sake of his personal friends or people he's taken a liking to.
Even sparing his foes isn't done out of a sense of morality. He just does it because he thinks letting them live with crushed dreams is a worse fate than death.
It was always an interesting thing to think about the politics of big shonens and how they might affect and reflect the societies in which they are most popular.
The Bleach thing isn't that accurate but yes, generally Naruto and Bleach have a far more statist politic than One Piece.
I wouldn't go that far. Luffy is no saint and he knows it. The other guy said it first, he released a whole bunch of thieves, rapists, murders and the like without a care in the world just to save his brother. He just wont let you pull that unnecessary shit when he's around. That type of freedom goes two ways. Kidd is free to act like a monster, just as Luffy is free to try and stop him.
Daily reminder the big 3 are all shit. All three have horrible writing that started out so well, then degraded vastly over a short time. All three could be easily condensed into less than 100 episodes with actual coherent endings. All three are wasted potential. Keep arguing kiddos.
>there are people who think One Piece is something more than just a happy go lucky adventure with a cool world design
>there are people who actually think it is a literary masterpiece
>there are people who actually think it has interesting well developed characters
>there are people who actually think it has good combat, skills, and powerups
>there are people who actually think the plot and arcs are complex
Laughin at these retards every day on /a/.
He didn't raise him either. Him controlling how and when events go into motion isn't the same as living through it. Besides, I dont think the big Y controls causation anyway. He just creates moments in time doesnt he? There's definitely a distinction between the two.
>He didn't raise him either.
He quite literally raised Ichigo from the shadows
>Him controlling how and when events go into motion isn't the same as living through it
You do realize part of him is literally one with Ichigo right? nobody besides White/Zangetsu could ever understand Ichigo better than Yhwach.
>Besides, I dont think the big Y controls causation anyway. He just creates moments in time doesnt he?
The way the almighty was described was definitely closer to causality manipulation.
The Gotei 13 aren't really 'the good guys', they are relatively 'gray' with their morals. The best arc is literally fighting against them to save Rukia. As the show goes on, yes they become more humanized but the actual Gotei 13 and Soul Society structure is portrayed somewhat negatively.
>', they are relatively 'gray' with their morals
They're not gray either.
taking advantage of humanity for several millenia to keep themselves in power just puts them in the black territory.
>The best arc is literally fighting against them to save Rukia.
and this is wrong too
Are you sure about that last bit? Its been awhile and his real power was always pretty vague, but I though he was able to manipulate moments in time. That's totally different from causation, which is more plucking fates strings than changing the fabric.
As far as him always being with Ichigo that's still not raising him. Ishin raised ichigo into who he is today, not ywach.
>Crocodile the corrupt warlord employed by government
>Enel leader of skypia
>Lucci Government Assassin
>Moria warlord employed by government
>Doflamingo warlord of the sea
Most of the enemies in the first part of the grand line were backed by legitimate governments
No, because most of them act begrundingly just as we do in the real world. Majority of the commanders are actually decent souls but the system is not flexible enough for them to express this.
What's the best arc then?
Shichibukai are such a stupid system, why does the government even bother with them? Most of them are selfish faggots that have the title so they can do shit that would normally put them in imperial down and most of them can't be trusted or relied on.
>Aizen dindu nuffin wrong
Well he did rape little girls like Rangiku but so did Griffith so I suppose he gets a pass
Aizen wanted to be in charge of the system nothing really confirmed he wanted to overthrow it.
Yhwach kinda did but he just wanted everything to go back to the good old days when the jews weren't being hunted down and hollows supposedly weren't a thing.
Both were depicted as irredeemable villains who had to be locked to chairs or wiped out of existence by children ex machinas.
Which is why I would say Kubo's world is relatively on the side of authorities, despite recognizing their flaws.
>Which is why I would say Kubo's world is relatively on the side of authorities, despite recognizing their flaws.
Even though the novels make it clear soul society are the bad guys?
I mean sure, they weren't written by Kubo himself but he did oversee them and give details for what plot points he wanted addressed.
>recruits a bunch of jobbers that would never help them unless their title was a risk
Out of the original 7 only Mihawk and Kuma did anything, the rest were off jerking on their own islands and Jinbe was in jail.
I always found it weird how Enel was never affiliated with anything bigger despite being such a major villain.
I know it goes against his god sthick but you'd think he would be part of the sichibukai or in alliance with a yonkou but no, he was just chillin on his island
>What's the best arc then
substitute shinigami obviously.
soul society is trash
Who reads the Bleach novels?
No offense but the whole question is only interesting in so far as it tells us something about the implicit, probably not even truly intended (at least not in Kishimoto or Kubo's cases) biases they have about the structures of society. Extracannonical material does not interest me because neither series were written well enough for me to analyze on that level. I will take your word for it though.
Ok, I barely cared.
>Out of the original 7 only Mihawk and Kuma did anything
fuck, mihawk didn't even do that much, he close to never answered the govt.'s summons and even then he just did it cause he was bored. i think out of all the warlords he has done the absolute least in terms of being involved with any world affairs or story progression. the most effort we've seen him put into anything is following a random pirate ship all the way to the middle of the fucking eats blue just to destroy a ship he already destroyed
>No homos allowed in the ninja world
>two star crossed lover fags have to give in to literal stalkers to pass genetics.
>probably have to fuck each other via shadow clone in the woods so no one finds out.
Naruto x Sasuke = suffering.
>I always found it weird how Enel was never affiliated with anything bigger despite being such a major villain.
Nobody knew about the Sky Islands and Enel had no reason to go down to the Grand Line so I don't understand how you could think he had any connection to anything outside of the Sky Islands.
Boa and her sisters were gangraped and passed around as party favors. That fat fuck in saboady abducts women to rape them if he feels like it. There are many such examples. Sad!
>who had to be locked to chairs
Even if Aizen did something worth redeeming himself, no sane person is ever gonna let an immortal with illusion abilities run around just because they assume he might be a nice guy(unless it's Naruto)
>wiped out of existence by children ex machinas
He wasn't wiped out of existence the kid just became his vessel
There are no good guys but soul society seem to be the worst by far judging by everything they've done.
Mihawk's supposed to be a neutral party so he can't just go around fulfilling every duty he's given as that goes against his character.
The only real reason to have him as a warlord is so he can be monitored or so he's less likely to end up being an enemy.
Real life pirates nowadays and in history have always been backed by powerful families that formed the government.
Even US funded local race-based militia groups worldwide to rob and cause unrest.
Nothing stick out like Afghanistan however.
A former country that is controlled by a powerful regional foreign Arab-only terrorist group funded by White House and trained in warfare by US armed force is then kicked out and replaced with an alliance of weak local subservient drug lords who employ and rape little boys openly.
On the contrary, Madara and Yhwach were actively trying to disrupt peace and stability so they can force their ideology onto the world without regard for the innocent lives lost. Akainu, on the other hand, is trying to maintain peace and stability by getting rid of pirates and succeeded in ending a dangerous bloodline for good. He did everything right. The World Government, like OP said, is a corrupt police state. But the concept behind the Marines is just fine.
Not his real father. But Yhwach made sure the future where Ichigo exists would come to pass so he's his "father" in the same way God is our father because he made us. By that logic, Yhwach is the father of every Quincy too since they only exist thanks to him.
I think Kubo is more on the side of peace and order. The status quo keeps all three worlds under some measure of peace and order in a fine cosmic balance. Aizen and Yhwach wanted to fuck up that balance to suit their ideologies. Aizen may have wanted to end the SK's rule while Yhwach may have wanted to build his own Israel. But either way, their actions were in the way of order and stability so they were depicted as villains. I think Kubo's going for that angle more than him supporting a borderline tyrannical police state.
>On the contrary, Madara and Yhwach were actively trying to disrupt peace and stability so they can force their ideology onto the world without regard for the innocent lives lost.
That's pretty much irrelevant to Yhwach since he'll be reviving everyone who died anyway.
Killimg him just results in everyone he and the quincy have killed being condemned to the same fate as him and the soul king.
>Akainu, on the other hand, is trying to maintain peace and stability by getting rid of pirates and succeeded in ending a dangerous bloodline for good. He did everything right. The World Government, like OP said, is a corrupt police state. But the concept behind the Marines is just fine.
so what you'e saying is because the antagonists are the ones who have established the rules in OP, it makes everything Akainu does right?
Madara was as mere peon to Black Zetsu. As comparison, in today real life is like some ditactors being manipulated by demons or Satan the whole time.
Yhwach was devil himself, and wanted a political incorrect 'peaceful' end, also wanted revenge to save his "race", hes reminiscing of Hitler. Also as Hitler he gets defeated besides his temporal powers.
>The status quo keeps all three worlds under some measure of peace and order in a fine cosmic balance.
If that were true irregularities like hollows wouldn't exist. It's a wonky system but the most beneficial for the shinigami.
It's why every other race is constantly at their throats.
>and wanted a political incorrect 'peaceful' end
The fuck does that even mean?
What's politically incorrect about returning the world back to eden?
>Madara was as mere peon to Black Zetsu
That's really the only reason he's "wrong"
Other than the whole "turn everyone into plants" thing there was really nothing wrong with infinite tsukuyomi.
Good point. But I mean, better the evil you know than the one you don't. Aizen and Yhwach's worlds may be better than the current one or it could be far worse. Either way, I understand the Shinigami wanting to keep things this way. It does benefit them, but more importantly, the system's been there for centuries. It works. Humans are happy, Shinigami are happy, even Hollows are somewhat content. Aizen and Yhwach's plans would've fucked all that up and maybe result in something far worse. If the villains sat down and peacefully explained their plan maybe conflict could have been avoided.
>There is nothing wrong with forcefully enslaving millions of Ninja who just before his resurrection actually got their shit together and formed an alliance
Between Madara and Ōnoki I'd pick Ōnoki every time.
There is nothing right with an obsessed genocidal maniac who has his boyfriend's face stitched on his chest.
>What's politically incorrect about returning the world back to eden?
I'm not that anon. But I think it might have something to do with the fact that he'll probably genocide the other races to make the perfect Quincy utopia. I doubt there's a place for Shinigami, Hollows and even normal humans in his new world. Unless you're a pureblooded Quincy you're fucked. Masaki and Katagiri both died thanks to Yhwach's pureblood fetish. So yeah, overall it has more to do with the 'genocide' part of the plan than the 'returning to eden' part.
I don't know, anon. Despite the shit he pulled, Madara ultimately had his heart in the right place. I think he genuinely did want peace not power. But he's an Uchiha so the way they do things is skewed in a very emotional direction. Couple that with the death of his brother and losing the Hokage election to his gay crush probably drove him off the deep end. Zetsu putting funny ideas in his head didn't help either. Onoki, on the other hand, was a genuinely power hungry dude who wanted his village at the top and the others crushed beneath his feet. He only changed after Gaara did his own talk no jutsu on him.
I hate how Naruto wanted Obito to remove his mask but not the ANBU who do shady shit for "peace".
Freedom is the essence of the One Piece universe. Every societal structure in OP is plagued with a corrupt elite that only a truly free crew like Luffy's can dismantle.
Of course this doesn't resonate with most people because they want to be protected and live in "freedom" (Marines protecting civilians) while secretly admiring those who are actually free and unconstrained (Pirates), and also because we live in the most secure, most restricting and "peaceful" times in human history, all thanks to our truly free ancestors who actually committed both good and bad in order to build our modern "comfy" society.
>If the villains sat down and peacefully explained their plan maybe conflict could have been avoided.
I bet the first soul king tried something like that and ended up getting back stabbed and used as a battery for centuries.
>Humans are happy
tell that to the slumfolk of rukongai
>Shinigami are happy
no shit sherlock, that's the point of the system.
>even Hollows are somewhat content.
They really don't have any choice but to enjoy living in an empty desert for eternity(or at least until the shinigami die out like Aizen said)
Luffy and his crew represent anarchy more than anything. They don't bow down to any authority. They do as they wish. Of course, they're not cruel nor evil so their actions end up helping people. But a force like the Marines is necessary, especially in a world like One Piece, where you have monsters like Big Mom or Kaidou or Doffy terrorizing the populace on a daily basis. The SHs may be good guys, but they can't be everywhere battling evil all the time. You need people like Marines to keep chaos at bay. Luffy and the SHs represent the "good" side of chaos and freedom. People like Blackbeard and Doffy represent the "bad" side where doing whatever the fuck you want freely fucks other people over. I doubt the Marines will be gone by the end of OP. They are necessary. Not everyone is like the SHs. And not every Marine is a corrupt elite.
I think most "good" pirates and marines are gonna unify as a single force by the end.
All that'll be left are evil pirates and corrupt former marines becoming pirates ala the crusaders
He could have accommodated his plans to attain his peace. Especially after seeing the whole Ninja world allying against him.
He wanted to be the SO6P so bad that he even planted a bomb in Obito's chest to make sure it doesn't fail.
He could have let Obito remain as the Sage and let the Flower bloom, but no, being the supreme ninja is the most important, so kill your only ally in the war and get backstabbed by your puppet.
Not to forget he planned Rin's death.
I'm sure there are more than a few people who signed up with the Revolutionaries for the promise of power more than desire for freedom. If Dragon succeeds, the Revolutionaries will be the new greatest power in the world. People like Sabo, Ivankov, Kuma and Koala are genuinely good people. But there's bound to be some people like Teach among them too who are just waiting until they seize power so they can have a bite of the pie too.
>I'm not that anon. But I think it might have something to do with the fact that he'll probably genocide the other races to make the perfect Quincy utopia. I doubt there's a place for Shinigami, Hollows and even normal humans in his new world. Unless you're a pureblooded Quincy you're fucked. Masaki and Katagiri both died thanks to Yhwach's pureblood fetish. So yeah, overall it has more to do with the 'genocide' part of the plan than the 'returning to eden' part.
of course there won't be a place for shinigami.
they're all good for nothing scum.
as for hollows they wouldn't exist in a world without death to begin with.
And without hollows quincy are no longer necesary either.
all that remains are a bunch of immortal humans like what "heaven" is supposed to be.
>There is nothing right with an obsessed genocidal maniac who has his boyfriend's face stitched on his chest.
maybe not but there's everything right with the matrix relative to the shithole known as life.
Narita seems to somewhat end up contradicting what the original author does sometimes, notably with the Fate novels he's doing (even if Nasu insists it's fine because of alternate universes). Won't be surprised if it's the same way with Bleach.
>Narita seems to somewhat end up contradicting what the original author does sometimes,
Only when he has free reign like with strange fake and the earlier bleach kenpachi novels.
The novels he's currently working on are actually meant to fit in with the canon of the story and are being overseen by Kubo.
Besides, the shinigami being the real bad guys has been a thing in the fandom since way back so it really hasn't come out of nowhere like some want to believe.
>first Hokage was self-titled
>second Hokage was the brother of the first, given title through nepotism
>third one was a student of the second, nepotism again
>fourth one was a student of the third, nepotism in action again
>fifth one was a grand-daughter of the first, who could've guessed
>sixth one was a student of the fourth, catching up on the tradition of teacher/student nepotism again
>seventh one is the son of the fourth
>all of the other villages don't even seem to bother and just pass it down the single bloodline, as seen by everyone looking like the previous fucking kage
If it was intended to be an elected title then so far they've been doing the worst fucking job at making it that way.
>If it was intended to be an elected title then so far they've been doing the worst fucking job at making it that way
They're simply placing a monarchy under the guise of a democracy.
Pretty clever all things considered.
The Kage isn't a democracy or intended to be one, it's a halfway between meritocracy and oligarchy with the jonin, elders and daimyo choosing the Hokage from a list of accomplished/recommended ninja.
The thing with Madara is that he's become cynical as fuck after all the shit he's been through. I still think he really does want peace though. But he probably thought this "alliance" won't last long after he falls. They'll probably squabble over who gets the lion's share of the plunder and devolve back into war. Of course he's wrong, but that's the sort of shit that happened during Madara's childhood, it's understandable why he'd be cynical. The Infinite Tsukuyomi was the best bet of actual, everlasting peace. Too bad he was only a pawn for Kaguya's return.
>greatest person of the generation always happens to be a student or even a relative of the previous kage
>7 fucking times in a row
Sure is fair play here. I wonder why there wasn't a single Uchiha kage if that were the case.
Why the fuck do you insist on calling it a vote? No actual voting takes place. There are no candidates and no one actually votes. These two geezers just meet up in a shady room, listen to what their secret police has to say, listen to what the running hokage has to say, then tell you who the fuck is the next hokage.
It is actually ostracizing. I mean look at this poor Uchiha kid suffering.
The councils were larger than just four people. This was Kumo's council, for example.
>Still basically three people at the main table
>The rest of the audience is probably reporters and little shits taking notes
I'll give it to them, they're trying to make their shit public, at least.
I was referring to the leaf village and seiretei as a whole. I know Naruto probably wouldn't be okay with it but Ichigo would since he grew indifferent to the lives of people he didn't know.
>What was Naruto's tax policy?
A percentage of the big bux his ninja army brings in from missions goes to the general upkeep and defense of the village
>How did he feel about globalization and immigration?
It's the village HIDDEN in the leaves. I don't think I need to elaborate
>How did he ensure everyone had access to the health care they needed and pay for constant property damage?
Orochimaru probably still has those documents on how to hack wood-style dna into people...
>It's the village HIDDEN in the leaves. I don't think I need to elaborate
Karui and Temari immigrated from other villages, Mitsuki was accepted by Konoha as a citizen, despite being son of one of the largest criminals in history (apparently Naruto personally covered the fact to let him live in Konoha). He seems to be open enough to immigration.
Naruto and Bleach use black and white moral systems, there are good and bad people and they belong to different camps (although in case of Naruto, there are good people and good people that hasn't been talked to enough to become good). One piece uses grey morals, anyone in any line of activity can be either nice person or an asshole and based on Luffy and his crew's approach to world affairs seems to promote egalitarianism overall, since none of them care if their actions may benefit or harm world as a whole, they just do what they want personally.
I thought Yhwach wanted to destroy the universe but replace it with a new one where entropy doesn't exist, which, while probably better than ours, isn't really something anyone can live in or even comprehend.
The leaf village as a whole was NOT okay with genocide either... the Uchiha Massacre was carried out by someone who was following orders from the top. You think if the other villagers heard that they'd be like 'Oh, haha, okay.'? Ichigo wouldn't be either... just because your indifferent to other people doesn't mean you'd be okay if they all were suddenly wiped out.
>MC wants the respect and recognition of other people and to get it, he'll aim for the hokage position
>prioritizes others' opinions about him to the point that it dictates his thoughts and actions
praises about the MC's hard work also double as praises to the readers/watchers who're self-inserting as the MC
One Piece has a more horrific world than Berserk or even Fist of the North Star.
Imagine the life of a Skypiea under Enel, an entire society pretending to be happy worshipping Enel for fear that lightning would otherwise strike them down.
The world of One Piece is frightening, its grotesque. The genre would be horror but Oda understates it and juxtaposes it with happy go lucky adventurer protagonists and gorgeous drawings of beauty in the One Piece world.
Why was Weevil added to the story? What does he bring to the table justifying him being introduced at the same time as Luffy challenges Yonko?
A lot of characters post timeskip seem fucking pointless. Caribou is like a lazy attempt at another Buggy. Instead of developing Buggy's character he just introduces a new Buggy.
Weevil is the worst though. It's stupid that such a dumb character is related to Whitebeard.
>learn from the best
>become a best
wow such surprise
you really gonna contend hiruzen or minato weren't the best of their generation? Naruto is ninja jesus so he's also the best of his generation. The only questionable choices are Kakashi and maybe Tsunade, but Tsunade was a part of the Sanin and legit can contend with Jiraiya or Orochimaru.
>first Hokage was self-titled
No he wasn't. Hashirama wanted for Madara to become hokage, it's the entirety of the village, including other Uchiha, and daimyo that rejected his proposition and chose him instead.
The godhand are small time compared to 800 years of horror with no signs of stopping..
I really think Bleach had some of the worst morals. At least the government in Naruto is portrayed as caring about the people, and at least being semi-based on needing the love of the general population, plus the Kage isn't actually the leader of the country and mostly does paperwork. Bleach on the other hand is a highly repressive regime that subjugates everyone but the privileged few with enough spiritual pressure to join the military (usually as expendable fodder) and the military leader has been the same since its inception. Not even to mention that this same military leader has gotten everyone into trouble because of his pride multiple times. Anyone who wants to overthrow the soul society is totally justified.
>Whole Cake Island is a socialist pro-racemixing utopia
>get's culturally enriched by an illegal migrant who was supposed to be deported years ago
Some of them, sure. However, despite being so cartoony and whimsical looking in appearance, One Piece probably has the darkest background of all three.
Civilians are slaughtered by the government to cover up ideas. People live their lives as slaves to a wealthy class that refuses the breath the same air as commoners, and will slaughter them without consequence. Single men/women are able to subjugate entire countries, erase memories, or trap heroes in decades worth of torment. Are all pirates good? No, most are pretty bad. However, there are a few (Shanks, Roger, Whitebeard, Luffy, all their crews, and some others) who see piracy as a way to be free, rather than using it as a way to be evil.
Those prisoners may have been bad, but just like in the US... if the government abuses human rights to house them or convict them, they are allowed to go free.
Impel down was literally just a giant torture chamber. Very little of it beyond the walls and underwater nature of it were designed to keep people in. The lowest level was literally just a standard jail. Those were the worst guys. Upper level was filled with dozens of torture devices and people who got off on abusing prisoners.
>At least the government in Naruto is portrayed as caring about the people
If genocide is your idea of caring.
>at least being semi-based on needing the love of the general population
The 'Will of Fire' is just propaganda bullshit used to justify the regime.
>plus the Kage isn't actually the leader of the country and mostly does paperwork
What ever you need to tell yourself.
Konoha not being as bad as the Soul Society is a completely different thing than Konoha being "a caring government" that "needs the love of the people" and has a supreme leader who "isn't actually the leader of the country and mostly does paperwork"
How can you write that shit and not instantly realize it's nonsensical propaganda?
This. Imagine being a citizen of Totland. You'd live in constant fear of a gigantic monster woman going on a rampage and inadvertently eating you alive at any time of any day. Then there's the annual soul offerings where you need to give her pieces of your literal soul to live there. Of course, you can leave. But in that case you're going to need to give up like half your lifespan. Then there's places like Sabaody where Celestial Dragons can rape people in broad daylight and be protected by a fucking Admiral. Yeah, I'd say he's just as bad as Berserk if not more even.
Ignoring how ridiculous arguing this in depth about politics of fictional universes is, I meant those things relatively. The current government since the third hokage has been relatively caring towards its citizens. The hokage is usually chosen based on popular appeal in addition to strength, and he is not the political leader of the country. He's still not democratically chosen, has a high potential for being corrupt, and is generally kind of incompetent since he's mostly a political figure and is chosen based on strength and celebrity status.
The Soul Society openly employs psychopathic criminals in positions of power, turns a blind eye to higher ranked members committing any number of crimes against less important members, jails people for life for thought crimes, is ruled by one person who has no desire or need to appeal to the people, hoards wealth and gives none of it to the ghettos around it, has a general attitude of "sentence to death first and ask questions later", and probably countless other things I'm not even remembering. Naruto is a better version of a fairly standard feudal sort of government, Bleach is far worse. I'm not saying either of them are good.
The revolutionaries might also not be as perfect and moral as you think, anon. Sure, they're going up against a corrupt, decadent government so they're the lesser evil. But there's bound to be rapists, murderers and thugs who joined up with the Revolutionaries to avoid going to jail and for a chance at attaining some power. People like Blackbeard basically. Dragon, Sabo and the top guys are good. The Revolutionaries at the bottom might just be your good old regular thug on the street.
Too be fair, he's 15 and had no ambitions besides kicking some bad ghost from time to time.
Most people wouldn't immediatelly start a revolution when confronted with some corrupt government, even if they don't like it. And he never actively promoted the status quo (and in fact helped to change it to a degree).
He was actually a pretty nice MC back then, beofre he was turned into boring hero guy by Kubo, and the final arc was the worst.
Bleach should have just ended the way the animu did.
>The worst case was nobody in the Vandenreich bringing up Mayuri's atrocities against quincy.
This, I thought they were going for a grey vs grey conflict when that one Aizen-lookalike made his speech about how "war happens when both sides are justice". But nope, all of the Stern Ritters were depicted as selfish evil bastards who enjoyed killing and never brought up any of the crimes that the Shinigami committed against their people.
Would have been nice if there had been a scene in which someone like Colonel Sanders gave a speech telling their version of the Thousand Year Blood War and how from their point of view the Shinigami are bloody tyrants trying to preserve a corrupt status quo.
Bleach doesn't have any morals present in its story. Ichigo's arm can be summed up as: Quit being a moral fag and just kill the enemy. Empathizing with the enemy and understanding their motives won't win battles.
Overthrowing Soul Society was not justified because the villains wanted to abolish the feudal system to install themselves as God Emperor of the Cosmos who rule for life.
That's because being a giant moral fag with a massive hero complex gets you nowhere in Bleach. If anything, acting like a shonen hero with morals is the fastest way to get killed by Ywach, or Aizen.