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Why does Hachiman understand Iroha better than he understands

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Why does Hachiman understand Iroha better than he understands Yukino and Yui?
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They have similar philosophies, even if they came to different conclusions.
That is, Hachiman sees everything as disingenuous, so he chooses not to play the game, while Irohas sees everything as disingenuous, and does everything she can to make sure she's rigging it in her favor.
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>>161873542
Because Hachiman believes nice girls to be hidden bitches, and Iroha is actually just that. Which is why I ship it.
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>>161873542
What are you on? 8man understands Yukino more than he understands Iroha. 80% of 8man's proses and monologues in regards to Yukino are about understanding or trying to understand her. And even when he misunderstood her, he eventually comes to understand her via development.
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>>161873542
Delusional Irohafag.
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8man x Orimoto OTP.
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>>161873739

good post.

Iroha is fundamentally a schemer. So is Hachiman - they use different methods and have slightly different motivations, but neither of them think that their attitudes are "wrong." Yukino wants to bend the world to her will with the sheer force of "being right"; Yui tries to get what she wants by becoming the "right type of girl", sort of like trying to get the role she wants by playing the part.

All three are good characters
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I doubt Iroha even really knows she genuinely likes 8man at this point. Not that it matters. She needs someone with status.
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>>161873542
they're pretty fun together.

Yukino is too black-haired whatever, good girl is too good girl,
Irohouse is just right
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>>161873542
>Hachiman
>understand Iroha better than he understands Yukino and Yui
The headcanon is strong in you. Iroha is not genuine. Hachiman agrees, don't bother him about it.
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>>161874038
>Irohouse
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>>161873854

Yeah, he has to work to understand Yukino. With Iroha it's more like they're starting on the same page to begin with.

Yukino/Hachiman is like samurai/ninja. Iroha/Hachiman is more like ninja/ninja.
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>>161873739
>>161873967
Nice posts. I genuinely believe 8man either ends up with Iroha or simply alone by the end of the series.
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>>161874155
I can't see Iroha as endgame. She works perfectly as rival for the love triangle and they have great banter but it would need a lot of work from now and we are in the last arc with a focus on Yukino's personal shit.
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>>161873739
That similarity is a stretch and actually paints them in opposite direction. 8man is even considerably apathetic and disinterested towards Iroha. Not as much as he is to Yui since he recently started to treat Iroha like a younger kohai though.

Out of the three, 8man has only ever expressed being similar to Yukino as they both try to obtain the same thing.
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>>161874188
>>161874155

checked

I can see the appeal of Iroha endgame, but I don't think it'll happen - I'm guessing it'll be either Yukino or ambiguous/alone ending.

[spoilers]I'm almost certain that Hayato is engaged to Haruno - in the sense that the Yukinoshita parents want one of their daughters to marry him, and he "picked" Haruno when they were kids, then regretted it as they grew up together and he fell for Yukino. Which is why Yukino currently dislikes him and why Haruno is constantly on his case, she knows he likes her sister. Otherwise I'd honestly be rooting for Iroha and Hayato to end up with each other, since I like the scheming princess/dishonest prince thing.[/spoiler]
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>>161874641
ctrl+s
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>>161874641
>Iroha and Hayato
Are you trying to bait Irohafags?
Because it's certainly working on me.
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>>161874641
oh man I fucked up my tags lmao. it's only headcanons though so it's not really a spoiler
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>Irohafags are still trying
Dat persistence.

Only Hachiman x Yukino end or Hachiman x Loner are viable. Accept reality.
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>>161874688

I want Miura to get NTR'ed and I want Iroha to step on him
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>>161874641
Was there ever a discussion about who Hayato is in love with? Logically it can only be Haruno or Yukino. And Haruno doesn't start with Yu.
Or could it be the last name?
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>>161874868
Why? Miura is one of the most autistic characters in the series, she's downright pitiful
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Kaori Orimoto would be the best girl for Hachiman to end up with. They will rehabilitate each other with their opposing flaws.
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>>161874897

I want her to get over Hayato and find someone who actually cares about her and I don't think it'll happen unless he hooks up with someone else, but since you mentioned autism, what about shipping her with Zaimokuza

>>161874869
he said "Y" in english, iirc, so that might be Yukino, Yui, or Haruno. my conjecture is based on the fact that I've watched the anime about five times now and I can't think of any other reason that Haruno can call up Hayato and order him to come to the donut shop without a word of explanation. why does she have his number? why does he show up? why does he know her well enough to tell Hachiman how she treats people she likes/dislikes? and the date thing, too. hayato knew haruno was watching. I'm pretty sure his motivation was to show Yukino that he's doing his best to defend Hachiman, and to show Haruno that he's trying to repair his relationship with Yukino by making an effort to protect the people she cares about. He certainly didn't do it for Hachiman's sake.

I think Haruno hates Hayato for breaking Yukino's heart in elementary school, but her relationship with Yukino is like "crushing to death with affection" and a little yandere. Like - she kept Hayato around in case Yukino ever wanted him again, maybe, so she could use that to control her and stay in charge of her life? idk man
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>>161875159
>he said "Y" in english
Yeah but the original isn't english now is it?
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>>161873542
Iroha isn't a retard nor is she an autist.
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>>161874836
>Only Hachiman x Yukino end or Hachiman x Loner are viable.
I think not my friend.
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>>161875159
>why does she have his number?
Their families are close.
>why does he show up?
Hayato always meets expectations.
>why does he know her well enough to tell Hachiman how she treats people she likes/dislikes?
They grew up together.

I think it would be more interesting if Hayato likes Haruno but Yukino still seems the most likely
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Of all the fans Irohafags have the worst grasp on the story and its characters.
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>>161875187

I meant he literally says "Y", the english letter of the alphabet. idk if it's different in the LN
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>>161875224
That works then. Yukino is in love with Hayato and if he reciprocates it is good.
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>>161875244
>Yukino is in love with Hayato
That seems unlikely.
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>>161875274
>That seems unlikely.
Read the LNs. There are hints everywhere. In fact there is stronger evidence that she still loves him than there is she likes Hachiman.
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The only ship possible at the end will be Yukino x 8man or that 8man turns out to stay alone in a sad ending.
Tbh based on the second season both Yukino and 8man were really getting close to each other, even Yui noticed it way easly. I won't be surprise if it actually ends up in a ship, and i will really satisfied and happy about it.
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>>161875224

I think Haruno is still plausible, but yeah, pretty sure Hayato wants to win the yukinobowl

>>161875201
sure, if rocks fall and yukino and yui die simultaneously in a tragic skiing accident
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>>161875288
You are not Yuipollfag are you?
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>>161875227
Thats because they need to delude themselves. I guarantee you Iroha doesn't even show up in the next Volume for more then a page
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>>161875309
>sure, if rocks fall and yukino and yui die simultaneously in a tragic skiing accident
Didn't he post Yui?
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>>161875224
Isn't it obvious Hayato likes Haruno? I'm surprised to see anyone say Yukino is more likely
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>>161873967
All 3 as in 8man, Yukino, and iroha.
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There are two different kinds of people in Yui's world: people she can be friends with and people who are dating Hikigaya Hachimn. Face it, she isn't a nice girl so I guarantee you she isn't going to be a graceful, supportive friend.
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>>161873542
>gets btfo by chad
>says some flirty shit to 8man on the train afterwards because he's her plan B
>people will defend her over the other two who are clearly dead set on tamng his 8 incher

Fucking yuck.
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>>161875309
I think he was implying that Yui has a chance. But yes, a very unfortunate accident to Yukino could boost her chances.
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>>161875418
>people will defend her over the other two who are clearly dead set
>two
Yui doesn't like 8man romantically and deep down doesn't want to be his GF. Read the LNs.

I agree on Iroha, she just seems like she wants string him along. She gave up however, she specifically mentions that she doesn't want to compete for him.
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>>161875309
>Hayato wants to win the yukinobowl
He will most likely unless WW does an asspull like Yukino liking 8man all of the sudden. A non-YukinoxHayama end will likely be because the suits don't want to upset the easily offended Yukino otaku fanbase.

>sure, if rocks fall and yukino and yui die simultaneously in a tragic skiing accident
Nope, a Yui end is on the table and I would argue that she has the best chance. Loner end has the second best chance followed by friends end.
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>>161875524
>all of a sudden
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>>161875524
How do you manage to be in every single thread?
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>>161875602
>It's just one guy
It's actually a very popular opinion.
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>>161875625
No this is one guy.
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>>161875625
He posts the same shit in the same exact way in every single thread
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>>161875557
Show me evidense that Yukino likes him without using any side material, the AU novels, anything that happened in volumes 6, 7, 9, 10, and 11. That's right, I win.
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>>161873542
Stop forcing dumb generals stupid Irohafag. Just wait patiently for volume 12 spoilers to see you fuckers get BTFO.

Mark my words Iroha will barely be present in the next volume as it will be 90% focused on Yukino. Cannot wait for your tears.
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>>161875602
Wouldn't the fact that you recognize his posy in every thread imply you've also somehow managed to be in every thread?

I've always hated people who would point out thread hat thread hath ey always see me somewhere. Bitch you're also always here if you notice me here all the time.
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>>161875688
You alright, you had a bit of a stroke towards the end there
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>>161873542
Because her way of thinking and her behavior are easy to read for him.
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>>161875688
Did you have a stroke?
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>>161875682
Voume 12 is a swangsong for Yukino. She will be the focus but not the end focus. Her being on the cover AND the second to last volume being about her means she is not going to win. She doesn't even want to win.

>>161875483
>Yui doesn't like 8man
Fucking retard.

>>161875398
>Yui is petty and dick crazed
Also a retard. Even in the unlikely event Yukino gets with 8man Yui would support them and remain great friends with them

>>161875602
More than one person can have opinions. I just don't get why people try to pin all their hatred on a fictional poster.
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>>161874975
Loner end is the best end if it leads to a spinoff with 8man/Orimoto broing it up it college.
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Remember to not reply to Yuipollfag. He posts the same shit in every thread.

These are what to look out for
>Yui is going to win or nobody is going to win.
>Yukino and 8man have no feelings for each other.
>Yukino and Hayato are the OTP
>"You just don't understand the subtlety of the story"
>If Yukino was to win he would wrote it 2 years ago.
>The publishers are clearly pressuring Watari so even if Yukino wins that wasn't the intended end.
>If called out will claim people are just inventing a boogeyman.
>Insists Volume 12 is the second to last without any source.
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I think only Yui likes 8man romantically
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>>161875796
Makes sense. He doesn't like her romantically. So his youth romance is wrong.
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>>161875796
I don't think Yui likes him romantically. She joined the club to be with Yukino and only seems to get mad, happy, or upset if Yukino is too.
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>tfw used to genuinely care about the story itself
>now I just want it to end
Introducing new girls that want the 8 inches was a mistake Watari. Should've just kept it about the Service Club
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>>161875821
She joined the club for Hachiman
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>>161875796
Why?
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>>161875855
Well too bad, he's being forced to extend the story for 2-3 more volumes after this one because Kadokawa wants season 3
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>>161875897
Its not like he could just end it himself easily. There's still some shit that needs to be explored, namely Yukinos family and past. I don't think he could cover that as well as a resolution with the Service club all in one volume
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>>161875874
N ope, Y/u/kino. She loves her and expresses that she may even like her more than she thought. She cuddled right up to Yukino at the start, ignoring that fag 8man. She said early in the story that she doesn't like 8man. The more recent developments make it more clear. The club is a place where she can be with Yukino and when it was going to shit she wanted to save it. She was in love with the club but that was just her way of saying she loved Yukinon.

>>161875936
Yeah, Yukino has to choose between Yui and 8man. I think she likes the latter so Yui is in for some heartbreak.
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>>161875957
At some point we are at too many levels of ironic shitposting and this is all going to collapse.
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>Volume 12 is only 16 days away
I don't know if I'm ready
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>>161875671
>side material
>volumes 6, 7, 9, 10, and 11
>sudden
Not him, but nigga you are grasping at straws.
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>>161876031
I wonder who's meltdown will be the best.

>>161875985
Isn't that more interesting than
>Yui likes 8man and wants to be his girlfriend
>Yui joins the club for a chance to be with 8man
>Yui cuddles up to Yukino as a way of pacifying Yukino so she will be accepted in a place that happens to have 8man
>she goes out of her way to make sure 8man sees her in the best light he can
>Yui's main goal is to date 8man and that is the driving force for most of her actions
That is fucking boring. There needs to be a twist so maybe Y/u/I is the twist and she never wanted to 8man's girlfriend.
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>>161875957
Stop this shit
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>>161876141
>Yui's main goal is to date 8man and that is the driving force for most of her actions

This is canon
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>>161876169
But boring. That is the easiest explanation and has tons of evidence but is it the most entertaining explanation? Twists are fun and I think it has some evidence so it won't be out of place.

>>161876146
Just thinking about the series. I ain't waifu warring.
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>>161876141
>I wonder who's meltdown will be the best
I don't think it will reveal the winner, but I do think it will shut up alot of the more retarded theories
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>>161876102
I think that was a joke. It might be a real argument if there was only one thing to exclude instead of ten.
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>>161876257
Some people are very good at twisting reality and will likely not change their stances. For instance Irohfags have kept the same analysis of the story that they had after volume 9 and 10.5 (lel). I am not even going to bother with the most obvious example.
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>>161876213
Yui is the easiest character to analyze and there is absolutely no way there will be a twist.

>vol 1, get close to 8man so she can date him
>vol 2, get closer to 8man so she can date him
>vol 3, find ways to make him not think she is just being nice because of guilt so she can date him. Also needed assurance that Yukino would steal him.
>vol 4, stagnant but still wants to date him
>vol 5, try really hard to date him. Also shows she thinks she is destined to like him so the dog thing doesn't matter
>vol 6, try even harder to date him, manages to squeak out a promise from him
>vol 7, tries incredibly hard to date him and shoves herself into him every chance she gets
>vol 8, does everything in her power to keep the club together so she can be around him, this is in service to her wanting to date him
>vol 9, Still tries to keep the club together so she can date him. Tries to guilt him into dating her and is up in his business
>vol 10, subdued for the most part but still wants to date him
>vol 11, does something great for both Yukino and 8man after having the worst time with her feelings and the fact that the first rival she knows of appeared and is Yukino. She still wants to date him.

Any other analysis is shitposting.
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>>161876466

Ive seen people in the desert who are less thirsty
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>>161876536
Yea but he, like, saved her dog dude
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>>161876669
Yui said it herself, no matter what ever happened she would find out about him and fall in love with him no matter what. No joke I think she actually did think they were destined for eachother.

>>161876536
I don't get her. She can have way better guys who aren't complete dicks who are actually social. She chooses the one person she probably can't connect with. No one as pretty as her and has that good of a body should ever be this thirsty.
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Man. I was always a big Yukino end fag even though I love Iroha the most, but the more I think about it the more I feel like Yui and 8man would be a better couple. 8man and Yukino are too similar, and that's going to keep them in a stagnant relationship where neither really grow as people and they're probably going to end up incredibly miserable. Meanwhile, Yui is more carefree, social, and optimistic. She can help 8man grow as a person even if they don't really have that much in common.
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>>161877310
>where neither really grow as people
The entire story has been them growing as people thanks to each other
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>>161877510
Without Yui around they could never grow an inch. Every single interaction they have could be their last without Yui. Yukiuno and 8man don't even have eachother's contact information. All they manage to do is piss the other one off, 8man doesn't make Yukino happy.
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>>161877575
There's so much hyperbole in this post that I don't even know how to respond to it
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Why would you ride Splash Mountain in the fucking winter?
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>>161877640
They don't have eachother's contact info. Now explain to me how they could ever communicate and grow? All they have is a club that will likely get disbanded soon.
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I don't think Iroha likes 8man. I don't get why it is a given when it seems to me all she does is try to get him to do stuff.
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>>161877661
They could just get each others contact information anon. I mean they've had plenty of interaction without Yui around, its not like they're fucking strangers without her
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>>161877703
I don't think she likes him either, but I can't deny that his 8 inch charm has almost seduced her a few times
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>>161877733
>They could just get each others contact information anon.
The fact that neither has tried tells me how close they actually are. They are strangers that grew at the same time, not because of each other. Their relationship is transient and isn't built for the long haul. The last day of club is probably the last time they will ever see eachother. Chances are they will both be fine with that. Even they wanted to be more than that they wouldn't be able to bring themselves to do it.

The fact that people ship them shows that people don't understand how fundamentally wrong their relationship is for that. They are acquaintances. Even if one has a crush on the other that changes nothing since their entire relationship is built on wet paper.

>>161877703
I would argue that Iroha likes him more than Yukino does. Yui likes him to the point of mental illness so she should step off.
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>>161877851
I seriously can't wait for Volume 12 so you retards stop posting
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>>161877917
I may be retarded but I am not wrong on how fragile their relationship is. Yukino's little crush on him doesn't change the important things.
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>>161877937
The important things being your headcanon on how their relationship would end up if they started dating?
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>>161873542
She's a simpler girl.
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>>161876141
>I wonder who's meltdown will be the best.
won't happen. Nothing will happen. I'll end up crying by the end of vol 12.
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>>161878034
I imagine that if they managed to date and even be able to touch eachother they'd go at it like rabbits. They seem pent up and the infirmary scene could have gotten out of hand. I don't deny they may have mutual romantic feelings. Chances are those are just because they sat in a room together for a year and are full of hormones.

I don't think they have the basis or the will for it. The club is what they have in common with eachother. If the club disbanded tomorrow they won't have any way or reason to meet up. Even if they did it would fall part. Deep love and understanding could keep them together but if they can't even get eachother's contact info than that is impossible. It is like trying to have crawling babies run a marathon. Sensei meddling and Yui's desperation keeps them together for now but they can't fend for themselves. They share some thoughts and ideas but what else?
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>>161878166
The fact they've had falling outs twice but still managed to come back to each other proves all that wrong. I mean did you not get the penguin foreshadowing in Volume 11? It wasn't exactly subtle
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>>161878308
>I mean did you not get the penguin foreshadowing in Volume 11?
That was there to make Yui cry. Yukino wasn't bothered by it but noticed Yui was so she respectfully took her leave.

>The fact they've had falling outs twice but still managed to come back to each other proves all that wrong
Yeah, Yui made most of it work. Without her in volume 9 they could be bitter strangers. Yukino liked the genuine speech a lot after the fact but during she was freaked out. I whole car accident hasn't actually been cleared up. It will but that is the actual test and the basis for the ending.

The fundamental difference you and I have is simple. You believe that their relationship is stronger than it appears to be and will make it through whatever. I see it as something that easily falls apart without outside structure. Romantic feelings aren't enough, assuming Yukino likes him and it just isn't some psychological bullshit. We can't ignore that Yukino is going to solve her problems and forge a new path for herself. Her old path is a mystery so neither you or I can make an appropriate judgement. Maybe I am not as optimistic as you and that's fine, the only thing I want is a happy 8man because I am sure Yukino and Yui will be fine no matter what. Losing out on a crush isn't so bad.
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Iroha has no romantic feelings for 8man
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Currently on ep 10 and I'm getting some serious School Days vibes, like they wanna fuck Yukino over, humiliate her or something
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>>161878541
She probably feels a little attracted to him but she is 100% into Hayama. She states Yui and Yukino aren't worth fighting.
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>>161878557
Who are those "they"?
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Does this series ever decide on what it wants to be? I watched season 1 when it first came out and while I thought it was great it seemed confused about whether it was a romcom between interesting characters with brain problems or a serious commentary with bits of humor added in. Are the books super serious?
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>>161878471
>That was there to make Yui cry. Yukino wasn't bothered by it but noticed Yui was so she respectfully took her leave
What? The sign said penguins stay with the same mate for life. Both girls are clearly bothered by it. Yukino leaves, and instead of staying behind with Yui, he chooses to go after Yukino. Again, not exactly subtle

I mean its fine if you want to agree to disagree on what will happen in the future. Because I'm pretty confident with my stance on it. I think when you throw away all the shipping wars and 8bowl faggotry, Yahari at its core is 8man and Yukinos story
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>>161878594
Haruno and her mom.
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>>161878649
Season 1 is more light hearted romcom. Season 2 is when things get a bit more serious and it turns into more of a character drama. The books follow the same tone
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>>161878649
The second season is more searious it has zero comedy
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>>161878757
Right.
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>>161878766
I miss the general lighthearted tone of season 1, and the sad thing is that it will never come back
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>>161878668
Time will tell. I am confident myself but I don't mind if I am wrong. As long as the story stays good I am fine with whatever happens. Based on what happens in 3 weeks I will revalute my positions since there will be more new info to process. If it went into a direction like "Yukino leaves for a year and 8man gets anywhere between 3 and 729 new haremites" I'd be pissed, stupid ass bullshit filler is the worst. The only thing the story needs is to make sense and be true to itself. I don't disagree that this is 8man's and Yukino's story but Yui is an essential part so far. They need something more than what they have now since they rely on external constructs. My stance is they won't get it.

>Both girls are clearly bothered by it.
It didn't seem that way to me but it was 2 years ago. It would actually make sense if Yukino was bothered by it since as love trinagle isn't fun and being reminded that there can only be one isn't fun.

> Yukino leaves, and instead of staying behind with Yui, he chooses to go after Yukino. Again, not exactly subtle
He is more concerned with Yukino thanks to Yukino flaming out hard in the novel. I am sure he prefers her to Yui but that isn't exactly the best thing.
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>>161878762
I'd say that in the book the character drama is also better explained, portrayed, and built up, which makes a huge difference empathy-wise.

>>161878766
Iroha is the character in charge of the lighthearted contents of S2, I'd even say that it's the main reason why she went in the spotlight.
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>>161878762
>The books follow the same tone
I remember vol 7-10 of the LN being more lighthearted that S2. Probably because they cut a lot of 8man's monologue, which is one of the main source of comedy.
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>>161878850
the artwork in s1 was so bad yet so good
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>>161878850
Anyone have that pic of Yukino and Yui looking like they want to slit the stuco president's throat?
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>>161878850
We get some of that in the side volumes and drama CDs at least
>>161878855
>My stance is they won't get it
I think it's pointless to argue about anyway. Watari probably wouldn't show their relationship far enough down the line for it to even matter
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>>161878923
So Yukino wasn't so furiously asshurt in the novels? She was so pissed and sad it makes me think that the anime was playing it up.
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>>161879019
>Watari probably wouldn't show their relationship far enough down the line for it to even matter
It will be left up to interpretation. That is why I want more info.
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>>161875897
>forced
I'm pretty sure even back then when S2 just ended, majority of people here said that one volume is not enough to finish the story without it being rushed. The only reason people keep saying that vol 12 is the last volume is because of the 2 years delay.
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>>161878855
Yui is just as much a problem as the other two. She was the main one pushing them to stay stagnant and keep things the same. 8man is the one who finally pushes things forward last we saw
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>>161879190
>She was the main one pushing them to stay stagnant and keep things the same.
Only because everyone was happier that way. Plus it gives her better opportunities to be his girlfriend but that's just an unintended side effect.

Remember, Yui wanted her little song and dance to be rejected. In the end she was doing her best to help them move forward. Yukino almost gave in to her, which Yui didn't like by the cold stare you see Yui give Yukino.
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Because she's a whore, and whores are simple to understand.
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>>161879309
She is 狐狸精
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>>161879265
Yui literally says "I'm not a nice girl". She says she wants to take it all, meaning she wanted to have her hikki and still be friends with Yukino. Only way to do that was keep things the same or force Yukino to give up. Neither worked because 8man realized again that he wanted muh genuine
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Hi, where's the good irohassu post?
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>>161879363
Yui wasn't telling Yukino to give up on 8man, she was telling her to trust Yui and enjoy the club as it is now. That proposition stagnates growth and would be worse for so it is good 8man told her off. She was glad he did it. She had a terrible look on her face for most of it but smiled when he started saying his lines.

A Yui route would be the hardest end since she wouldn't date 8man unless her loved for real and Yukino was 100% okay with it.
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>>161879309
That must be why I understand your mom so well.
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>>161879428
>A Yui route would be the hardest end since she wouldn't date 8man unless her loved for real and Yukino was 100% okay with it
Which is why ANOTHER is the end without genuine
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Have Irohafags ever considered that 8man just doesn't care as much about Iroha as he does Yui and Yukino? Emotions flare when you give a shit.

>>161879428
Yeah right. Yui would take Hikki anyway she could get him.
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8man ending alone and the 3 girls having boyfriends would be the best ending.

Oh the meltdown....mmmmmm
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>>161879707
Fuck off NTRfag, you have no power here
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>>161879759
You misunderstand, he clearly meant Saika end which is a good end.
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>>161873542
Because she's normal, while Yui and Yukino are autismos.
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do they ever touch on who's smarter, hachiman or yukino? i wanna see yukino defeated
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>>161880479
Well Hachiman is better at analyzing people and that's it. He has average grades
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>>161880529
damn
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>>161880479
Read the novella, 8man ranked third, Hayama second and Yukinon first for the Japanese study.
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>>161879994
>Yui
>autismo
Yui is an adorable normie bimbo, you dingus.
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Yui is so goddamn cute, seeing normies like her care about weirdos is extremely endearing
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>>161880615
Hachiman is too handsome to be weirdo, he is most likely a non-conformist
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>>161880743
I knew a really really handsome autistic kid back in middle school

Anyway Hachiman is smart and pretty good looking but he's too withdrawn, cynical and melodramatic to not be considered weird by his peers
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>>161880584
She has some sort of mental deficiency.
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>>161880915
Like... being stupid? Or what?
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>>161880915
How foolish of you to conclude such complex subject with simple observation. Yes, she cant study well but she manage to excel in the cruel high school hierarchy, representing her supreme social skills which is almost genetic.
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>>161880915
Yeah, bimbos aren't the smartest of the bunch by definition, but that has nothing to do with the meme definition of autism.
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Why is this crap so popular?
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>>161881193
because at some time, on some degree, we were like Hachiman. a failure of society. We yearn to be loved before, we expected and misunderstood before, we were isolated before.
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>>161879415
I got you senpai
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>>161880901
You have to be clinically autistic to be pretty good looking and be rejected, which Hachiman isn't.
Yukino is an example of a socially awkward person who is good looking, she still gets invited to all the parties and groups despite so.
Hachiman is average, definitely not ugly since he is the brother of Komachi, but nothing good looking either, afaik Hayama is the only good looking guy in the canon.
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>>161873542
Whatever. Yui will win anyways.
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>>161877703
She doesn't like him but cares for him, I know this is /a/ but it's like when you have a good looking female friend, and while not liking her at all but someone else, you still get pissed when someone flirts with her in front of you, like instinctly.
I think that's their relationship, of corde he would never be jealous of Hayato ot she from Yukino or Yui as that is like pre established.
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>>161881674
>but cares for him
No she doesn't. Holy fuck were people not joking about Irohafags not understanding the characters.
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Just finished season 2 very early this morning. How would /a/ rate my ending?

>Hachiman is about to go to his graduation ceremony but Komachi is doing some High School freshman related thing on the same day, being the siscon he is he decides to bring her lunch or something that she forgot
>While running Hachiman is again hit by a car driven by some crazy driver, let's just say it was Yukinoshita's sister or sensei
>Hachiman slips into a coma this time rather than just being temporarily hospitalized
>Several months pass and Yui runs into the waiting room to tell Yukinoshita Hachiman is awake, Yukinoshita is there along with everyone else who the Service Club has helped. The ending is all about how everyone who Hachiman helped doing the opposite and helping him
>Hachiman wakes up and we see from his POV everyone congratulating him on waking up
>It's entirely ambiguous whether Yui or Yukinoshita won the bowl
>END
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>>161873542
They don't cross communicate. Transaction analysis 101 folks.
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>>161881674
Tbh, Iroha do like Hachiman or else she wont bother to harass him everyday and showing her true color in front of him, as quote by Hayama. 8man gave her sense of safety and the genuine incident surely capture her genuine interest.

Btw, desu, all men are beasts and beasts want to fuck and own everything. It's normal.

>>161881598
Hayama is good looking mostly by halo effect from his good attitude. He is kind and fair and provide comfortable environment to his peer. Well, his attire and social status do contributes.

My boy 8man has the dealiest eyes, the most important outward feature of men.
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you guys need to watch the second OVA if you doubt that Iroha wants the Hachi D
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>>161881843
Literally not one thing you said is true.
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>>161881887
That shit is rife with studio feel's executive meddling, so no thanks
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>>161881898
How is the first part of his post not true?
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>>161881598
Not rejected or ostracized, sure, but I still think he's closer to odd than not. Would I be friends with him? If I could hell yeah but objectively speaking he's still kind of a weirdo.
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Do you think Yukinoshita's sister and Hayama have fucked at least once or twice?
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>>161881951
I think Haruno saw his shota dick couples of time but this is my thinkings
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>>161881924
Because Iroha only "cares" about Hachiman as long as he does shit for her. He's just her choreboy.
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>>161881991
Has she sniffed it?
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>>161882015
That's Tobe.
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>>161875758
t. retard
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>>161873739

similar philosophies? Reminder that Hachiman warned Iroha she might get stabbed in the back pulling her shit

Iroha deals with Hachiman using femine charms and manipulation, not what Hachiman wants for a deep relationship

Iroha still persues Hayama, because of what she values most. She doesn't properly value Hachiman's qualities, they are tools to her
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An Iroha end will make this LN/anime getting discussed 20 years later.
Yukino/lonely end? Not so much.
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>>161882464
Saika end will make this legendary

>>161882413
With my delusion, Iroha pursue Hayama to get close with 8man seeing they are getting closer.
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>>161880915
She wants to live in the lie that Hachiman loves her and Yukino would be okay with that. That'd go against what's "genuine'', so a Yui ending is unlikely, as Yukino and Hachiman both love each other.

Hopefully it goes full WA2, with it realizing that these three can't remain three forever and that Yui will have to move on. Maybe she'll become more of a real friend to Hachiman?
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Totsuka ending
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>>161882464
School shooting end will get this on 4chan Hall of Fame in 50 years.
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>>161876466
>Yui is the easiest character to analyze
That's why she's the most boring.
Only retards like her because retards think alike.
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>>161883338

Yui appeals to the kind of guy who wants a subservient woman who is only an object of sexual attraction, with no intellectual or philosophical engagement. Any time you take on a project as a team that requires work, she'll take a part of the tasks but watch TV instead of doing anything.
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>>161873542

Iroha is the crucial main character carrying the author's message of OreGairu, which is why she is so prominently featured in the synopsis of Vol 12 and the cover.
*snicker*
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>>161882793
Does Hachiman himself still feel that this is a possibility?
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>>161883444
kill yourself
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>>161884176
Nope, he realized Totsuka was the best male friend he could ever ask for after that convo they had in the restaurant during vol 9-10.
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>>161884424
>Totsuka
>male
>best male
>best male friend
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I hope everyone is working on their fake spoilers. There's going to be a nice 3 or 4 day window just before release where anything can go.
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>>161884504
Trap memes aside, he is all he could ever ask from a male friend, he provides a lot of support for him.
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>>161884669
8man has a lot friends, he just dont want to recognize the fact.
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They cut it from the anime but in the LN there were bits hinting that 8man at least holds a certain admiration to Yukino.

>“Come to think of it, Hikki, why can’t you stand summer even though you were born in summer?” Yuigahama asked me.
>I put my hand on my mouth. “How did you learn I was born in summer, I wonder?” I answered, slightly snobbishly. “Are you a stalker?”
>“What’s that?! A Yukinon impression?! You kinda nailed it!” Yuigahama burst out laughing. But if Yukinoshita were here, we’d be dead.
>But I nailed it, huh? The results of practicing in front of the mirror whenever I got in the bath were bearing fruit. Man, what have I been doing with my life?
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>>161873854
> he understands yukino

he doesnt know about yukino dependence problem even whe the blonde guy and haruno talk about it
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>>161884669
It's that a meme, it's just what that dumb archetype is, that character is a girl with a penis from any point of view. Both Hayama and Chuunibro acted like male friends in on several occasions, Totsuka has always acted like one of his girl friends.
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>>161885175
There also was a follow-up later

>Hearing Totsuka, Komachi tapped her index finger against her chin and tilted her head. “High schoolers feel grown up from my perspective, y’know? Besides my brother.”
>“...hey. I’m totally an adult. I bitch and moan, tell filthy lies and make things unfair.”
>“Thinking like an emo doesn’t count as grown up, onii-chan.”
>“Who knew your mental image of adults was so sad, Hikki?!”
>Upon hearing Komachi and Yuigahama’s scathing words, Totsuka patted my back lightly. “I might not be able to see how you are at home, but you seem grown up at school, Hachiman,” he giggled. “You’re really calm and composed, you know?”
>“T-Totsuka...” I was on the brink of tears.
>At that moment, I heard a cool voice mixed with scornful laughter.
>“He only looks that way because he’s not talking to anyone. In truth, he is a lonesome and miserable soul.”
>When I turned around, she was there. Yukinoshita had an icy smile on her face. I retaliated with a cold smile of my own.
>“...how do you know my conduct in the classroom, I wonder? Are you a stalker? Are you aware of the laws against disturbing the peace? Do you wish to die socially?”
>“You’ve gotten even better than before...” Yuigahama smiled with amazement.
>Beside her came a crunching sound of someone treading on a dead branch.
>“...are you perhaps... trying to imitate someone?”
>It was supposed to be summer, but I swore I could see a howling blizzard behind Yukinoshita!
>Her twitching smile was scaring the life out of me! God, I’m so sorry!
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>>161885281
It's not* a meme
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>>161885182

Yes he does, there is monologue about it in the LN and why the story "Run Melos Run" is referenced a few times which has to do with a friend's life depending on another. From that Monologue "I'm being relied on. I'm being relied on...I'm a Monster of Reliance"

In fact from Haruno's words Hachiman wonders about Yukino's view of him, if that affection and focus on him is tangled with reliance.
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>>161885175
Agree and it is quite obvious.

>>161885281
Disagree.

>>161885408
Agree
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>>161885853

Oh, you have logical arguments why Yui would be the best for Hachiman? Does Yui seek deep understanding with another person, or is she content with superficial relationships? Does Yui apply herself seriously to the club projects that are important to Hachiman, or does she mostly just slack off? Does Yui have any interests or passions or hobbies in common with Hachiman, or does she just like pop teen culture which Hachiman loathes? Did Yui care and was miserable that Hachiman was on a self-destructive path of denying his worth?
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>>161885853
I never thought I would agree with Boogie, but if Oreimo is your favorite anime then you deserve death.
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>>161886207
8man chose to be an edgy loner, Yui chose the artificial "nice girl" attitude.
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>>161886274
Meant to answer to >>161886027
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>>161886274

But Hachiman has changed, is not a loner any more. Ditto for Yukino. Has Yui changed?
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Yui is just like Kushida from COTE , she hates Yukino and wants to steal Hachiman for herself.
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>>161887713
>wants to steal Hachiman for herself.
Not as much as I want to steal your mom.What are you going to do about it? Uh?
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>>161875159
Y could also mean Yumeko.
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>>161873542
Iroha is similar to Komachi in the sense that she has the imouto aura about her.

8man said it himself that a little sister is essentially a brothers closest stranger. With Iroha having the feel to him like a foxy younger sister, she in a way is one of his closest strangers.
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>>161888363
>irohafags creating their own headcanon again
Here's your dollar.
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>>161888593
You'd buy that for a dollar?
I wouldn't even buy it at all.
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>>161877661

funny but their siblings have each other's contact info. and of course they go to same school. Hachiman has been to her home and knows her address. Older sister meets up occassionally with Hachiman to discuss younger one. but no, according to you no chance to ever communicate if club disbanded.
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>>161877851

I'm quite sure vol 12 will be about them communicating on matter quite deep. call it a hunch.
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Why do people like Yukino again? Can they relate to her clinical autism?
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>>161874868
Miura deserves a happy end you dickhead
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>>161888982
Because she's not cancer like Iroha.
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>>161880479

that already happened, Iroha's request and the student council election arc.

Though he did that out of concern for Yukino, imagined she was just burdening herself for the sake of others and not her own desires. But then Yukino's comment as she left to drop out of election, "I thought for sure you'd understand" made him realize that it was something she wanted and also might have been helpful for the club member's relationships, then he realized he "might have gone totally wrong"
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>>161889010
Miura deserves some good dickings from giganiggas
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>>161889010
Is Miura genuine?
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>>161889084
A genuine cunt
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>>161889084
She'll become the new Sensei. Beautiful and unlucky in love.
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>>161889084
She wants a genuine relationship. Volume 10 makes it clear. She just picked the wrong guy for it unfortunately.
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>>161889084
She actually is, she's the kind of person who doesn't have to pretend shit most of the time and just be who she is.
It's funny because in the later volumes Hachiman finds that endearing and has some monologues finding her cute.
What makes no fucking sense is why she likes Hayama.
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>>161889239
>>161889330
Jesus christ, does the entire fandom just make shit up or something? Miura is still a fake bitch that would fuck over her own friends and her own future just to be close to cunt.
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>>161875765
Miura or Saki are the true college ends.
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>>161889041
Poor Yukino, the only good thing about her is that she isn't someone else.
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>>161889369
This fandom is garbage mate.
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>>161889395
Nah famalamadingdong
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>>161889369
While Miura is secondarygirl shit, 8man admits that what she wants is genuine.
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>>161889330
Hayama is affable, handsome and popular. What teenage girl wouldn't want a piece of that?
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>>161889420
I'm not talking about secondary shit. Miura as a character is a fake bitch and that stays that way until the end of the show. I don't care whose dick she wants to suck off, it doesn't change her personality.
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>>161889452
Yui,Yukino,Saki,Ebina,etc
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>>161889493
So you never read vol 10 I take it?
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>>161889493
Did a girl that resembled her bullied the shit out of you or something.

>>161889520
He's clearly an anime only fag.
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>>161880960
Yui is a very pretty girl. Becoming popular is child's play for her
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>>161889520
I did but she's still a cunt there and in volume 11 towards Saki.

>>161889586
Fuck off. You have got to be kidding me. Miura remains a cunt in volume 11.
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>>161889518
So girls with no taste.
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>>161889617
You can be a cunt and still have a genuine side, you know, people aren't the absolute monsters you believe they are, and the same goes for some characters.
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>>161889649
I can't wait for Iroha to taste Hayama senpai.
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>>161889695
Iroha is madly in love with Tobe. She just doesn't realize it yet.
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>>161889687
I hope Miura acts like a cunt once again in volume 12.
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>>161889720
Go away
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>>161889617
How the fuck is Miura a cunt?
She's a bitch towards Saki and Yukino because they also are cunts to her, she has a normal reaction to hostility because she has nothing to pretend about being nice and shit like Sagami or other shit tier girls. In fact if you add her maternal instinct, she's basically a socially adept version of Saki.
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>>161889728
She was cunt when she fought for the tennis court.
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>>161889790
She's also a raging cunt towards Yui her so called friend and Hachiman. Miura is always the one starting shit. She's only not a cunt when she wants someone to do something for her.
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>>161881598
The only proof we have that he is actually good looking is he claims so himself and Yukino doesn't say otherwise, just that the eyes she constantly look at are not nice. If he wasn't good looking she'd probably tell him otherwise.
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>>161889790
Saki and Yumiko have nothing in common.
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>>161889989
This. Don't compare that shitstain to Saki.
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>>161886027
>Did Yui care and was miserable that Hachiman was on a self-destructive path of denying his worth?
Actually she was. In vol 7 and 8 she was pissed at him and sad. She was likely more hurt by him confessing to Ebina and then trying to make the whole school hate him during the election than Yukino. I don't think she is a match for him or anything.
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>>161889989
Well not physically, obviously Miura is the best looking in the whole series, only Haruno comes close.
But personality wise they are rather similar.
Also while in the early novels Hachiman portrays Miura as a bitch while he still didnt know shit about her, in later volumes his view changes completely.
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>>161889518
>Yui,Yukino,Saki
They are on the 8man train.

>Ebina
She is mental.

>>161889837
She started to warm up to Yui surprisingly, though she only tried to collect her since Yui was hot. At first she was a cunt to her though. I don't get why the fanbase has decided to make Miura into some sort of cute moe character.
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>>161890436
Because you are a filthy secondary.
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>>161890405
Looks ranking are like this:
1. Haruno
2. Yukino
3. Yumiko
4. Yui
5. Ebina
6. Saki
7. Iroha

Just going off of 8man's comments. He prefers Yukino to Haruno which is likely the first reason why Yukino becomes interested in him.
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>>161890538
Hachiman is crazy about Yukino that's true, and according to your comment if that list ks his POV shouldn't she be #1?

Also since it's his POV Sensei could probably take #2 or 3, and Komachi and Totsula #0
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>>161890538
Saika is the first
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>>161890405
Saki is cuter than Miura.

Both are cuter than the rest of the cast except for Sensei, Komachi and Saika
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>>161890726
I forgot about her but yeah, sensei is probably 3rd.

>>161890757
He's a boy and only wants to be 8man's friend.
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Even though Yukino looks more like sensei's clone, I'm pretty sure that Saki will end up as the lonely cake out of the cast.
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>>161890726
If it was who he likes the best as a whole Yui and Yukino would take the top two spots with Yukino being #1. Saika is out of consideration since 8man has no chance with him whereas he at least has a shot with Yui or Yukino.
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>Characters that are important in the next few volumes
Hayama
Haruno
Yukino's mom
Yukino
8man
Yui
Komachi

>characters who aren't important and likely won't be for the rest of the series
Iroha
Saki
Miura
Saika
Sensei
etc.

The second group is old news and their fans should find a new series to shitpost about.
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>>161890885
Not really, Yukino would definitely be #1 but Yui wouldn't make it, according to Hachiman monologues.
It's not that she isn't gorgeous but he doesn't really fap in her mind to her like with Yukino, Haruno, Sensei even Komachi.
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>>161890980
Yukino is by #1 to the point where no one really compares. He comments that she is good looking and sometimes looks at her goods plus I am just just commenting about who he cares about as a whole including their looks. Komachi doesn't really count.
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>>161890967
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>>161890885
>whereas he at least has a shot with Yui or Yukino.
>shot with Yukino
He doesn't. She doesn't like him romantically. She likes someone else.
I can't believe so many people think Yukino likes 8man. They should read instead of shitpost.
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>>161891182
I'll just hide your posts at this point.
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>>161891182
I agree and I am not the same person. She hasn't been shown to like him romantically and I won't stand for "evidence" that she does.
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I can't even begin to imagine how hard I need to brace myself for the imminent shitstorm
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>>161890967
>>characters who aren't important and likely won't be for the rest of the series
>Iroha
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>>161891303
Yup. Yukinofags are going to be so blown the fuck out this board they will be in shambles. Hopefully it humbles them and they stop their shitty ship. They don't see the writing on the wall, this delay plus her cover is very telling.
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>>161891508
Don't you ever get tired of yourself?
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>>161889378
>yfw he goes to a college abroad?
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>>161891675
Then he can fuck boys without being stigmatized
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>>161891448
You fucking heard me.
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>>161891749
Madman's ramblings
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>>161891591
Say that again in three weeks. People of the same opinion as me will feel vindicated for all the shitposting we had to endure these few years. It is a shame you guys will be flamed so much but you kinda deserve it for being rabid and annoying. I will personally be gracious but I can't assure that for other people.
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>>161891935
You will deserve all the shit you get.
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>>161892007
I won't get anything bad from you guys when volume 12 drops. The damage control will keep you guys preoccupied. I think we should agree to take things in stride so the threads will be better and more relaxing. I will be on the right side of what happens but that doesn't mean I want people to be hurt.
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>>161892142
Yeah, no. You deserve to rot and get all the shit you will get.
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>>161892275
I know you don't speak for everyone else so I will just accept you don't understand what will happen in the series. I hope you enjoy it and try not to freak out too much.
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>>161875796
Sakisaki was the first to openly admit this.
Yui is just very easy to read, so of course it comes across that way.
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>>161892664
kys, yui is superior to sucky
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>>161892664
>Sakisaki was the first to openly admit this.
She did?

>Yui is just very easy to read, so of course it comes across that way.
Yui's feelings for 8man aren't that straightforward. They're there but it is subtle. Most people probably wouldn't notice with 4chan to help them analyze.
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>>161873542
>>161873739

Correct answer in the first reply.

This is why they would make a workable pairing, but would not be affectionate or loving.
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>>161893127
Except all of that is wrong
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>>161893015
>literally tries to confess her love to Hachiman early in the LN before being autistically deflected by 8man and the phonecall

Not even 4chan could help a braindead drooler that would fail to interpret that as anything but feelings for 8man.
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>>161893233
Before that it wasn't obvious. That scene could be interpreted as her trying to diffuse the dog situation since both are still conscious of it. Season two had even less hints.
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>>161893015
Not admit, but convey. Sakisaki would blush every time she looked at 8man, or when talking to her, or when her brother told 8man something about marrying her. She was the first to show open signs of infatuation, is what I mean.

>Yui's feelings for 8man aren't that straightforward. They're there but it is subtle. Most people probably wouldn't notice with 4chan to help them analyze.

lmao. No, it really isn't hard to tell what Yui is thinks about 8man.
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I usually take a back seat and enjoy the show when people get BTFO, but holy shit I can't wait to take part in it this time. Theres just so many retards who think they have their own completely different understanding on the story
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>>161893870
oh wow anon, you're such a troll!
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It's a shame they would start really pushing a girl that seems so compatible with 8man just to tease us near the finish line.
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>>161893233
Seriously, Yui was never subtle about it. She was practically hopping on his dick as soon as Yukinon wasn't in the room. The only person who tried to deny it was 8man himself
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>>161893911
Thanks for the (You)
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>>161893927
Iroha is cancer and ruined the entire series. At this point in time she's basically an anime original character.
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@161894006
Likewise, didn't think it would be that easy.
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>>161893927
Iroha represents the evolution of Hachiman's thanks to the service club.
He's finally able to normaly socialize and make friends with a pretty girl like Iroha thanks to all time he's been with Yukino and Yui.
But he's not really at all into her, he's much more into the two main girls and especially into Yukino as of the last volumes.
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>161894524
You're mistaken if you think not giving me a (You) is important, just acknowledging my presence is enough for me
Me:1
(You):0
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>>161894617
There's more tonit than that, pre service club Hachiman would have hated Iroha for being a sly slut, but shin Hachiman realized that's kinda cute and is impressed that a sly person like her can actually see him for what he is and not really care what others think about him.
This is not romantic, it's more like realizing that you can become friends with whomever and shouldn't prejudge them, like he would have prejudged Iroha (like he did with Yui) in the past , and how most people prejudge him by his looks and initial attitude.
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>>161894617
Iroha is just a character Studio Feel changed to sell more shit. Nothing more, nothing less.
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>>161894805
Except Iroha IS a manipulative cuntbag even in the later volumes. Hachiman should have told her to fuck off ages ago.
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>>161894814
They only made her design better than ponkan8.
Other than that everything she does in the anime and ova is in the novels.
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>>161894876
>even in the later volumes
She's only in the later volumes
She is a manipulative cuntbag so?
He can always tell when she does it and she knows he can, that's why they became close.
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>>161873542

I like Iroha for the same reason I like Saki, Totsuka, and even the fatass, 8man rolls well with them with none of the dumb conflict. He can be his cynical asshole self without giving a fuck and they don't mind it at all.

Iroha's a fake bitch with everyone but 8man and she became his ally to put some smug cunts in their place, and that's neat. Forget any idea of romance, she never had a chance anyway, but I enjoy how can they be openly malicious together without needing to walk on eggshells in fear of triggering a chain reaction of chimpouts like in the club. It's fun.
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>>161894923
Nigga that's bullshit. Studio Feel literally took entire scenes from other characters and gave them to her. You know how people complain about how Lerche gave Horikita more anime screentime at the expense of other characters? Studio Feel did the exact same thing with Iroha.
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>>161895042
Iroha is a fake bitch with Hachiman as well you mong.
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>>161895020
They became close because she's taking advantage of his guilt.
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>>161895045
Not they didn't, read the novels instead of relying on dumb posts of trolls.
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What is preventing a 3P end? If Yui and Yukino can put their possessiveness and jealousy aside it would work.
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>>161895324
Oregairu is a christian anime, they celebrate Christmass and Saint Valentine's day.
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>>161895206
https://www.reddit.com/r/OreGairuSNAFU/comments/6rb2p3/is_it_just_me_or_iroha_shown_in_a_more_positive/

But people that have actually read the LN agree that she's an entirely different character. So I don't know what point you're trying to make.
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>>161895461
>citing reddit
Out. Just get out. I don't care who is right or wrong in your debate just get the fuck out and leave. Reddit isn't fucking evidence for anything and has no place here.
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>>161890967
Saki is the one whos gonna win the 8manbowl. Mark my words.
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Yui is a poorfag, she can't support 8man wish to be a househusband. Yukino rich family on the other hand.
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>>161895461
>leddit
>reading comprehension
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>>161895525
So you basically have nothing to counterargue with. Alright.
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>>161895579
If Yukino becomes Hachiman's girlfriend the she'd be disinherited within seconds though.
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>>161895593
Silly me, I forgot that you guys with your "who will win the 8bowl" "Saki and Miura in college spinoff when" spam for the past two years have a much better understanding of the story and the characters. My bad.
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>>161895608
Let me make a reddit account and gather some votes so I can pinpoint why you are wrong.
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>>161895608
I am not the guy you are arguing with. I don't care that you're right. I just think you should fuck off and kill yourself for alluding to reddit to strengthen whatever argument you have. Really, fuck off. I mean it. The problem isn't anything but you.
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>>161895643
>implying Yukino wants to stay with her family
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>>161895684
>implying 4chan is better than Reddit when they're both shitholes
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>>161895698
Hachiman should rape her and get her pregnant.
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>>161895679
What type of votes? What are you even babbling about.

>>161895684
I'm sorry but that subreddit is the last sane place where people actually normally discuss this series. The rest really is a bunch of angry people yelling at each other.
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>>161895698
What is she thinking about, /a/?
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>>161895746
They are bot shitholes but this one is genuine.
Thanks for the post of the year award.
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>>161895770
Only vanilla sex is allowed
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>>161895746
I am not saying 4chan is better, I am saying to fuck off.

>>161895782
Just go back then. You're not missed. If it is sane I am sure you'll love it.
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>>161895793
Zaimokuza's baby batter
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>>161875524
Hahaha now it all makes sense.
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>>161895643
>doesn't choose STEM and falls for the liberal arts meme
>gets disowned by her mom for hooking up with a low status househusband
>works long, shitty hours at a fastfood restaurant since she can't land any jobs with her degree
>disgruntles her colleagues and managers with her autism and has them all push their workload onto her
>gets home late and falls asleep on the couch like a tired salaryman

Yukino has the makings of a real wagecuck.
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>>161895815
Fuck no. This place is an abomination.
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>>161895954
I don't think that will happen. Out of wll the characters, her and Hayama will probably get good paying jobs.
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>>161895971
Then fuck off
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Yukino and 8man obvious chemistry
>Yukino didn't like 8man
No reading comprehension or just ass canal deep delusional?
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>>161896011
And Haruno
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>>161896023
After you commit sudoku
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>>161896072
It's Yuipollfag, he'll probably wake up soon and shitpost more.
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>>161896011
Only because Hayama is a nepotism bitch boy. Yukino could probably earn a good job. It is a shame they'll have a loveless marriage. That would be funny though, imagine if Yukino was the guy she truly loved but due to circumstances has to spend the rest of her days as a workaholic in a marriage with a person she doesn't love. 8man goes on to be happy and well adjusted.
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>>161896128
more of a swimpuku fan myself
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>>161896190
Yeah man that's great.
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>>161896190
>imagine if Yukino was the guy she truly loved
I meant if 8man was truly the guy she loved.

It would even be funnier if after a decade she isn't over him. After two-three artificial insemination she will have two-three kids and she will take out all of her regret onto them. She will control them and make sure they tow the line.

8man will have 1-2 kids with a women he loves, probably someone Yukino has never met.
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Yukino wouldn't get disowned. Her mom would be pissed but her dad would overrule her before shit hit the fan, just like he did about her getting her own place.
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>>161896190
ANOTHER's true end.
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>>161896308
Truly the discussions here are far superior than those in reddit. Magnificent.
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>>161896378
Another's true end is that Hachiman dumps Yui after a week.
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>>161896385
No one said it is better, they just told you to leave. I know you like reddit and you want to defend them but they aren't a part of here and neither are you. So please just leave for everyone's sake.
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>>161896436
Not him, but this place and faggots like you are cancer and should kill yourselves.
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>>161896479
That's fine. There is nothing wrong with hating this place. That doesn't mean reddit is allowed or accepted. If you don't like then do be here, it is as simple as closing a tab. Find some place you can be happier since this place is so miserable.
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>>161893212

Oh anon, there there, there there.
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>>161896829
He's right tho
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>>161896855

Is that what the voices inside your head tell you?
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>>161895042
None of those people have ever done anything for 8man
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>>161896896
They're telling me that you enjoy BBC
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Yuifags have some legs to stand on. Yukinofags obviously have way more legs to stand on. Irohafags have zero legs to stand on and have to make them up.

Can't they just understand she is a SIDE character and that 8man, Yukino, and Yui are the most important (in that order)? The gap between Yui(3rd) and Iroha is massive.
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>it's another irohacancer thread
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>>161878668
>What? The sign said penguins stay with the same mate for life. Both girls are clearly bothered by it. Yukino leaves, and instead of staying behind with Yui, he chooses to go after Yukino. Again, not exactly subtle


sorry to disappoint you but
you do not have to trust the animation
you have to read Vo11 because Hachiman tells Yukino when she asks why he came
he says that Yui told him to leave to join Yukino because she has to make still pictures
certainly Yui made sure to send Hachman to Yukino
the animated does not show everything
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>>161896915

No, that's Y(o)ui.
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>>161896952
They're just shitposters. Ignore them.
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>>161896990
Yui enjoys nigga dick?
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>>161896985
No Hachiman wanted to go after her and asked Yui if she was coming, but Yui said she wanted to stay to take pictures.
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>>161896985
>>161897065
It's ambiguous. They see the sign, Yukino gets disheartened and leaves, Hachiman says "I guess we should get going" to Yui, but she (wanting to give Yukino a chance to be alone with 8man) tells him to go ahead because she wants to take pictures.

Still, look at his description of Yukino when he goes back inside and finds her:
> Her appearance, illuminated by the dim light of the water tank in the darkness, caused her to resemble a painting. I couldn’t call out to her. The breath that I wanted to spit out was stuck at the back of my heart.
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>Yukino leaves, and instead of staying behind with Yui, he chooses to go after Yukino. Again, not exactly
animationfags and Yukinofags detect

Yukinofags who rejects the monologue of Hachiman towards YUI
this is not new
yes he just listened to his wife who told him to join Yukinon
Otherwise Hachiman would have stayed with Yui
after all it is their date
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>>161897224
I thought Yui just didn't want him to see her crying. Yui was bothered by that sign.
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>>161897295
Easy there ESL-kun
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>>161890538

He says Ebina is cute in a way that most wouldn't notice at first, but says Saki is a "true beauty". Just saying that your list is probably mostly accurate but for switching Saki and Ebina.
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>>161897307
All that is obvious is that she wasn't going to actually take pictures.
> She did not appear to have any intention of
using her phone, rather, just grasping it strongly with her hands.
The part after that some people have interpreted as a sign that his going to Yukino in that moment suggested a "choice" on his part but that's wishful thinking I think:
> Seeing her in that state, I hesitated to say anything more. With that short answer, I took one step forward, one step in the direction of the building. The cries of the birds continued on behind me. The calls of the two penguins now seems to be just a little sadder now.
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>>161897428
Would you fuck Ebina?
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>>161890967

hmmm, always possible Sensei might still have a part in advising Hachiman. Also she is Haruno's friend and drinking buddy. But I believe you have the gist of the rest of the story.
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>>161897463
I would. She seemed open to it. 8man should have pushed the issue, like a favor for a favor.
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>>161897453
>The part after that some people have interpreted as a sign that his going to Yukino in that moment suggested a "choice" on his part but that's wishful thinking

Come on. You know damn well if this ended in 2015, that's what it would have meant.
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>>161897453
>The calls of the two penguins now seems to be just a little sadder now.
Those feathered rats know that YuixHikki is OTP.
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>>161890859
No if I'll marry her first.
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>>161897573
That's not what the moment meant
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Sure it is, bud. Sure it is.
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>>161897670
Then the little shits were being sympathetic towards a defeated and hurt Yui? Don't compare Yukino and 8man to shitty fish eater normalfag birds, compare them to better birds like Puffins.
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>>161897663
Saki would spit in your butthole
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>>161897715
That's not what it meant either.
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If it had been anyone but Yukino who liked him I think she would step on that girl's neck and twist her foot. Seeing Yukino in a bad spot triggered her sympathy.
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>>161896377
How is Yukino's relationship with her dad?
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>>161897721
Rude.
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>>161897751
Then what did it mean? Do those flightless mistakes of god reflect two character's moods?
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>>161897786
Better than the one she has with her mother or sister. We might actually see him in the new novels.
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>>161895324
>>161895440
no, author and all characters are Buddhist. In celebrating Christmas the Japanese don't think of it as religious holiday, it's a time to spread happiness. Christmas eve is considered a romantic time for couples. Ditto for Valentine's Day, nothing religious about it in Japan.
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>>161897786
All we know is that according to Haruno when Yukino asked for her own place, her mother refused but her dad overruled her. Her dad was "overjoyed" when Yukino requested it, which suggests he wants Yukino to break out of her shell.

It's supposition beyond that. But I suspect he'd be a bro compared to Yuki-mom at least.
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>>161897824
All it meant was that Hachiman went after his penguin. And then Yui was sad and the penguins were sad.
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>>161897817
Don't lie, you'd love it.
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>>161897880
And then they had an orgy with the penguins.
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So let me get this straight. Haruno has pretty much resented Yukino all her life because she is angry and jealous that her future is chosen for her and Yukino gets the freedom to choose her own life, and she's always meddling with Yukino because it annoys her that she has the freedom to do what she wants but never takes initiative/wastes her opportunities?
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>>161897880
I knew, I just wanted to insult penguins. I fucking hate those swimming queers. I wonder if Yui wants to be a penguin.
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>>161897841
What if his dad is chill but he just doesn't give a shit about his family? I bet he avoids his wife like the plague.

I will go out on a limb: Yukino's dad barely cares if Yukino dates some creep.
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>>161898006
Perhaps. Haruno is a meddlesome siscon.
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>>161898006
More or less. Everyone has their own Haruno interpretation. Some people take the "Haruno has done nothing wrong" position, thinking everything she does is justified and a selfless attempt to improve her sister who she cares for. Others see her as having an unhealthy complex regarding Yukino that verges on obsession.
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>>161898048
Focking pengwins REEEEEEEEEE
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>>161897463

she'd probably want it "homo style" in the caboose, but that's fine
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>>161898094
If the dad doesn't give a shit about his family, he'd just defer to Yukimom on everything. Which he seems to mostly do, but sometimes he puts his foot down, like he did over Yukino's place. That suggests he feels some investment in them.
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>>161898094
What if her dad is the secret mastermind behind everything and this entire series is his elaborate ploy to get his daughter away from his wife?
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>>161898153
Oh yeah I forgot all about her homo eccentricities
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>>161885408
I read that as "Run Melons Run" and it sounds waaaaaaaay better.
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>>161898254
Yui running with her melons?
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>>161898160
I meant he doesn't keep track of the day to and when he does he isn't a fucking cunt. I stand by my "he probably doesn't like his wife much" comment. I am not backpedaling from that. Yukimom probably does shit behind his back but he's busy being an elite.

>>161898048
>I wonder if Yui wants to be a penguin.
Yes. She wants to be 8man's life long mate and probably has her wedding plans in her diary.

>>161898153
She'd be into hole sharing and Saika would say no.
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>>161885408
8man is just a bit of a moron that is afraid of Yukino's rejection and any rejection. He will do anything in his power to think feelings for him aren't real. Yukino is a lost girl in some respects but her feelings are true for the most part.

>>161898272
Yup, all 89cm of them.
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>>161885182
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I really want to see miura or saki end, just to enjoy all the butthurt of yui and yukino fags. It would be glorious.
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>>161898355
>>161885182
What I meant to say is 8man does't really "get" Yukino until vol 11, but he definitely understands her now.
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>>161898361
> miura end
There used to be a greentext story about that. Something like Yukino/Hayama get married, then Hachiman/Miura hook up at the wedding and go eat Saize together afterwards.
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>>161898361
I want to see all the aidegirls gwt rheir shit pushed in by truck. Now THAT would be glorious. All the mongs in these thread would throw a hissyfit.
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>>161885182
He understands it, he just refused to acknowledge it because it would ruin his image of her.
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>>161898485
Nigga, you already got your Miura end and it sucked. Come on now anon.
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>>161898361
>>161898526
Saki end makes slightly more sense because she actually likes 8man in canon. Three girls do and only three.
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>>161873542
hachiman is a flaming faggot that deserves to get cucked. hope he gets cucked in the end because it would be the only viable ending for this piece of shit series.
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>>161898517
Yukino is a strong person and Yui is a nice girl. Chances are these misconceptions will get shattered.
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>>161889084
8man sees her as the most genuine person.
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>>161898593
Well, Yukino may still end up becoming a strong girl.
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>>161898562
Man a saki end would be so good.
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>>161898621
No. That's just nonsense.
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>>161898668
No it wouldn't. Saki's ending in the VN was one of the most boring fucking shits I've ever seen. Literally all they talks about is their family. That shit gets old in 5 minutes.
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>>161898642
In the future but she wasn't in the time 8man has known her. Yui is a nice person but she acted overly nice to get 8man to like her. I think she would show no mercy to girls that aren't Yukino.

8man isn't off base but he wasn't correct.
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>>161898692
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>>161898692
These are waifufags that don't actually give a shit about the story. Thats why Watari made that garbage VN for them
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>>161898669
I'm not even joking.
The whole reason why Hachiman went so far for Miura's request was because of that, he considers everything Miura does for Hayato genuine.
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>>161898668
>>161898692
Fucking Yui is a more interesting character than Saki.
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>>161898593
>>161898517


Hachiman already commented near the end of vol 11 of those idealizations of his being misconceptions that he burdened the girls with

>>161898403
there are still things about her past he doesn't know and wonders about, even to wondering if problem is mainly with her mother or with Haruno, but he does know there are problems. Vol 12 will be Yukino centered and the reveal
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>>161898743
He shouldn't have made it. They're a bunch of ungrateful shitters. Instead of being glad that they got something, they now use it as a means to push their shitty ship.
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>>161898744
No. Hachiman wanted to find out more about Yukino and Hayama's past and saw this as an opportunity to pry with an excuse. Fuck off with your headcanon.
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>>161881732
>Not went full Boku Machi ending
Meh/10
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16 more days
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>>161898891
*15
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>>161898884
What's that
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>>161898827
boop
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I buy that Yukino isn't so strong and 8man was wrong about it but I don't buy Yui isn't a nice girl.

>>161898891
What in oblivion did Yui do to deserve it.
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>>161898748
Sore aru! Yui is the best!
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>>161898891
Spoilers will probably start to appear a few days before that, indistinguishable from fake spoilers.
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>>161898964
Ok? That doesn't change the fact that during the entirety of volume 10 Hachiman is prying Hayama for intel.
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>>161898971
Yui isn't a bad girl, she's just a teenage girl in love. And sometimes they think selfish things. I love Yui and don't want to see her sad, but I'm also tired of some of the Yuifags shit so I'm conflicted
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>>161898991
Fake spoilers a shit
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>>161876031
Wait, volume 12 is getting released finally?
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>>161899029
Did you forget what Miura's request was?
That was the whole point, Miura wanted to find out what Hayato chose, 8man had to pry a lot for that info and run the marathon.
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>>161898991
This. I hate it when people take a sourceless post on 2ch as fact and spam it. They put out fake spoilers more than 4chan.

I don't believe anything until I read it.

>>161899040
Some people can't handle that Yui is not an angel, check the archive for ANOTHER spoilers where they either cry or lament that Yui was willing to push Yukino's feelings knowingly into the trash.
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>>161899040
Death to Yuifags, Yui for the win?
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>>161898361
I want to see Saki end up with Miura and watch them have violent hatesex than ends up being tender cuddles
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>>161898582
Oh God can you fuck off from those threads already it's like this series raped your mother or something
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>>161899069
I'm saying that the reason he accepted that was so he could use it as an excuse to pry for information without admiting that he's doing it for himself. Hachiman never admits that he does anything for himself and always hides behind excuses. Hayama calls him out on that in both the main story as well as ANOTHER.
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>>161899144
Sidegirlfags want a bad end to punish 8man and YYfags for not choosing their favorite.
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>>161899125
I want to see them take turns fucking horsecock
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>>161899067
Its happening anon
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>>161899184
fuck off cancer
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>>161875274
Look at the scene when Yukino butts in on Miura berating Yui.

Hayato interrupts Yukino and scolds her mildly; Yukino immediately backs down.

When have you ever seen Yukino acting submissive to ANYone?
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>>161899209
It's HABBENIN'
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>>161899209
Yukino looks sad and is going to make a hurtful decision. It is also not the last cover. That means Yukino loses.

>>161899233
Chances are that Yukino's main, unsaid gripe is that Yumiko is always around Hayama.
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>>161899233
No idea.
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>>161899233
That's not because she's in love with him mong, but because of their shared past.
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So vol 10 had the memorandums, ANOTHER had memorandums + recipes + confessions, vol 11 had the Yui/Yukino interlude. Who do you think in vol 12 is getting a special PoV section?

Yukino seems like the best bet for one. If she gets one you'd have to figure that Yui would too.
I don't think Iroha has ever had something like that before. But perhaps Haruno (again) or even Yuki-mom might get one.
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>>161899281
>blabla yui will win blabla executive meddling the suits wont allow watari blabla
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>>161899287
She is just embarrassed to be around the creep around her classmates. They gave her shit for it before and kept seeing if they were dating.

>>161899294
It is evidence. She doesn't want to look worse in front of him.
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>>161899233
>When have you ever seen Yukino acting submissive to ANYone?
Whenever it comes to someone who is part of her life outside of school. Haruno. Her mother. Hayato. Everything related to family seems to cripple her.

I am pretty sure Hayato is in love with her and I am pretty sure their families want them to be together. If she is in love with him too I am confused about what the problem is.
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>>161898692
>Saki route is "muh family" while she throws herself at Hachiman
>Yumiko route is "muh Hayama" while she throws herself at Hachiman
>Meguri route is "muh festival help" while she throws herself at Hachiman

Three shitty girls, three shitty routes.
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>>161899306
We could get an entire section from Yukino's POV. That would be something new.
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>>161899351
> Hayato is in love with her
I wouldn't be so sure. Haruno is a better possibility.
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>>161899209
Jesus christ, so Watari finally delivers? I guess the wait hasn't been for nothing.
>inb4 it turns out to be shit
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>>161898006
No. She wants Yukino to be free and is playing the villain for her.
That is pretty much outright stated.
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>>161899351
She wants Hayama's genuine love, not have it through obligation. She isn't certain he loves her and thinks he loves Haruno. 8man's speech touched for that reason.
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>>161899350
Will you be true to your word and make a video of you crying?
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>>161899397
You really need to just die and not taint these fucking threads anymore.
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>>161899094
>Some people can't handle that Yui is not an angel, check the archive for ANOTHER spoilers where they either cry or lament that Yui was willing to push Yukino's feelings knowingly into the trash
I don't know why, it's make her character more believable in my opinion. ANOTHER is the ending where they all give up on genuine, and Yui is ok with it. The real story is Yui realizing she can't have everything without it being superficial, so she decides to help her friend instead. Its why I don't get why Yuifags would be happy about ANOTHER, its not exactly a good end. I mean WW couldn't be more obvious with the firework symbolism
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>>161899392
>is playing the villain for her.
pfft. Yeah right, fuck off Haruno fag. It's pretty obvious she resents her.
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>>161899367
Kek. Now do the other girls.
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>>161897295
I'll be honest, I'm an animation only fag but I don't really prefer one girl over another, and I'd like some clarification here. So Yui is on a date with 8man, then sends 8man to go comfort Yukino where >>161897224 monologue happens and 8man is awe struck with Yukino's appearance and can't speak. So Yui shoots herself in the foot?
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>>161899445
Do you not remember her and 8mans discussion about the whole playing villain thing?
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>>161899413
No one said that seriously.

>>161899425
When I am right I expect an apology. It will help smooth the threads over. I want to have an environment where no one gets shat on for being wrong with their predictions.
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>>161899351
I don't think Hayato is into Yukino but rather Haruno since he's always at her beck and call.
Whenever Hayato seems jealous of Hachiman it's usually because he's able to do what Hayato was to afraid to do.
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>>161899446
Nah, I won't because those girls are actually good.
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>>161899506
>When I am right I expect an apology
And when you are wrong how will you atone for shitting up every single fucking thread?
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>>161899480
No. It's far too complicated. Just wait a couple more weeks.
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>>161899494
You really think she was being honest? It was just a way to falsely justify her behavior to 8man and herself. She knows deep down that's not the truth.
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>people still respond to him
You will literally never convince this autist otherwise. Even when the ending proves him wrong he'll just claim its an asspull. Don't bother
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>>161899517
Gay as fuck.
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>>161899443
A Yui end isn't going to happen so beggars can't be choosers. It does add a nice wrinkle to her character that if she can get her way she will. It is nice to see a girl that can handle a lie.

>so she decides to help her friend instead
I am not sure she has given up on him yet.
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>>161899510
Don't ever post the manga to help your arguments, WW isn't as involved with it as he is with the anime
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>>161899542
He'll disappear when the ending proves him wrong. It'll be like he never existed.
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>>161899542
He shut up about Saekano when he got BTFO, he'll shut up after this volume.
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>>161899609
Unless it's a gag page, everything there is directly from the LN.
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>>161899609
The manga is solid for the earlier volumes.
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>>161899616
>>161899629
What a pussy
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>>161899510
If it is Haruno a lot of stuff would make sense.
It would mean Yukino probably loved Hayato at some point. She wasn't chosen. He failed her somehow. And now that she is getting better and is falling in love again she could forgive him.

You guys might be right that it is actually Haruno.
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>>161899530
There are many posters with similar opinions so I can't speak for them. I just want a good environment so no matter what happens you guys don't chimpout and pin your anger on a few posters.

>>161899510
yukino did like Hayama when they were young. she gave him choco before and "she wasn't chosen"

>>161899629
Saekano isn't over. Those threads aren't tainted with animeonlys and shitters who think GS3 means anything.
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>>161899698
It is definitely Haruno.
> It would mean Yukino probably loved Hayato at some point. She wasn't chosen.
Just as Haruno said to Yui/Hachiman the festival when she seems the two of them together. She thinks Yukino "wasn't picked again".
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>>161899593
>I am not sure she has given up on him yet
I don't know, I think she gave up after her stunt at the end of Volume 11
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>>161899724
>There are many posters with similar opinions
Nobody presents them this annoying and is this fucking retarded about them

I want to make this absolutely clear here. Its not any outcome or pairing or plotline anyone hates. Its you.
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>>161899698
>And now that she is getting better and is falling in love again she could forgive him.
That is what volume 10 felt like to me. It was her way of saying that what happened in the past between them is over and that she doesn't care anymore. I don't think she liked him during the events of the novel though. In volume 11 she barely cares about her past with him until Haruno points out she gave him chocolate before and that was because she cared how 8man's response.

>>161899760
I don't know, she seemed happy after 8man gave his speech. The vol 12 description still has her important to the story. Her thing has always been 8man. Yui thought it was over but Yukino doesn't. Yui and Yukino agreed that his request isn't over with after that.

I get the impression she was ready to give up but was pulled back in.
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>>161899725
Yeah, it's strongly implied that Yukino liked Hayato, but I don't think the "she wasn't picked again" has to do with Haruno but rather Hayato choosing superficiality instead of saying what he felt.
It's largely part of the reason why she was so cold towards him.
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>>161899926
It could explain why she was so mad when 8man did it. Unlike Hayama 8man made amends so now she is keen on him.
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>>161899792
>100s oeven 1000s f posters across many threads
>only one person can have one opinion
Critical thinking isn't hard.
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>>161899926
No, it's possible that Harunonhad her hand in that and pushed Yukino towards Hayama. Hayama says it was all a misunderstanding and Yukino is for the very first time feeling these types of feelings with Hachiman.
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>>161899480
Basically, Yui was ok with them living with a lie about their feelings, as long as they all stayed to together. Its why she says shes "Not a nice girl". But she knows thats not what 8man and Yukino wants. They both want "something geniune". So she puts her own feelings aside and basically forces them to act with her stunt at the end
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>>161900049
Anon just stop for your and our sake
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>>161900074
There's a little more to it
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>>161900056
Didn't Haruno force Yukino to give him choco too?

>>161900074
True but that isn't so bad. I am sure Yui will settle for half of it now. Yukino and Yui are solid friends now and that can't be broken by 8man like it used to.
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>>161900112
Care to elaborate? I honestly haven't read in a while so I'd like to know what I'm missing
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Here's the real question of the day: Would Ebina rather fuck Tobe or Saika?
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>>161900077
Yuipollfag has made his bed. Nothing to stop what will happen.
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>>161900232
She'd rather watch them fuck each other
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>>161900210
Yui is asking Yukino to give up on her feelings for Hachiman so they can stay together as friends and possibly for Yui to have him. And Yukino being the knucklehead that she is would have let her have it until Hachiman interrupts with his muh genuwine
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>>161875855
It would've been boring if it was just the service club though. The three being awkward towards each other non-stop while Hachiman rants to himself about what love means like an autist is only even bearable because of the rest of the story being there, that's been the case since the beginning. 8man having friends now, being able to talk to others in general, and not irrationally over-analyzing every little thing as hard as the average Yahari thread poster does anymore is important development for the character too.

Not hating on any of the three main characters here before xfags go apeshit, I just feel that you guys just complain about the weirdest fucking shit sometimes (maybe because there was little to discuss regarding this series in the first place and by this point there is outright nothing left to discuss yet there are constant 24/7 threads regardless?). If it were up to the most vocal people in these threads the series would consist solely of 8man, Yukino and Yui sitting in a room crying their light novel teenager problems out at each other for the entire series and nothing else going on.
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>>161900262
Condoms aren't genuine are they.
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>>161900260
Swordfight style or ballsdeep plunging?
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>>161900262
Yui has no idea the three of them went out for ramen that night does she?
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>>161900309
Nah. The only characters that really need to be a part of the story are sensei, haruno, hayama, komachi and the three of them. The rest are expendable.
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>>161900299
Yui wasn't going that far, just to put things on hold. I can't imagine her telling someone to fuck off of Hikki.

>>161900333
She wouldn't mind. She isn't the jealous type.
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>>161900333
Too busy masturbating
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Anyway in regards to Yui I think by vol 11, 8man opinion is "I know she is love with me. I am no longer making excuses about that anymore. I don't know if I feel the same she does, but maybe it's worth a try". Given that he seems to be opening to the possibility of the long awaited date, even bringing it up himself around Valentine's day. He says at the very end of vol 11 about Yui:
> Her wish and mine were not visible. However that shape that it takes differs slightly and may not perfectly overlap. Despite saying that, it is not definite that they cannot become one.
Although from a meta PoV you can argue based on ANOTHER and such that Yui is out of the running, I don't feel you can really be sure of that if you just look at the novels themselves.

When it comes to Yukino, his emotions are significantly stronger, but they haven't really been developed like Yui because we've had romance in the air with Yui since way back when she first asked him out. In other words I don't think he's really considered romance with Yukino. It's only been in the last two volumes that it has become obvious (to him, in the story) that she is giving off romantic vibes. There are flags earlier than that from our PoV, but he is oblivious to them in the story.

So based on that, I feel like Yui might go either way. She either ends up with 8man or she goes off on her own. But Yukino/Hachiman will be at least friends no matter what. They are forging a genuine bond. Whether it is romantic or not.
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>>161900299
Yea, thats what I was trying to get across but you definitely articulated it better.
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>>161900371
Ok YPF
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>>161900354
Given that 8man's attitude towards others around him in general at school was a major focus of his character from the beginning of the story and how changes in that is measured through the way he interacts with other characters, nah I disagree with you.
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>>161900417
Dont worry about it senpie
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>>161900309
Waifufags only care about scenes involving their waifu and absolutely nothing else. That's not even behavior specific to this franchise, look at the bazillion other high school romcom series of this type that gets talked about on /a/, same crap happens everywhere else too
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>>161900400
Yui is out of the running but I don't think she gave up. She still will want it until the end and hope.
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>>161900400
The thing is, Yukino and Hachiman do have romantic feelings for one another, as evident by the various allusions to penguins and wanting to help one another. The problem is that they both believe they don't deserve one another and are expecting the wrong things out of the other.

Yukino has to learn to stand on her two feet and 8man has to understand he has the right to love and be loved. Only then can they actually admit to each other that they like each other, regardless if Yui stays or not.
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>>161900425
That's swell mate, but all these characters right now are nothing more than harem outlets
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>>161900482
You're fucking kidding me. People complain about wanting a tighter narrative that focuses more about the trio and their relationship. That's what they're complaining about. The others want more harem shit.
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>>161900482
Waifufags are strong here because mad WA2 vibes.

In all seriousness, 8man is learning he has the right to be happy. Forming a real relationship with someone could be romantic or not.
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why do anons say that yui won in ANOTHER?I dropped another half way
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>>161900563
She won in the sense that its implied her and Hachiman start dating. But I don't think its an ending any Yuifag should be happy about
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>>161900507
I am not sure 8man loves her but I do think she loves him. Rather than her thinking she doesn't deserve him I think it is her being timid about something she wants. She has been hurt before after all and 8man hurting her again at this stage would be scary even if she could handle it much better. Yukino dropped her idealized 8man a long time before he did the same. They sahe a bond but it needs to m materialize in a more solid way.

Yui might not stick around but she is still an important character.

>>161900563
She did.
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>>161900563
She won by default when all the other girls dropped out.
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>>161900655
So what is different in another to make Yui win?
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>>161900563
She wins because they all pretty much remain friends without any real strife according to spoilers. She and 8man are seen holding hands, but something about the ending feels a little off and too rosy.

The narrative basically feels incomplete and kinda fan-fictiony. Like it should be for this because it can kinda be looked at like a bad end. 8man never got anything real at the end.
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>>161900655
>Yukino looks slightly sad that Yukino's smile seems a little fake
>throws whatsherface with the pink hair out the window to find out what's wrong
Yukino never resolves her own conflict, the car thing, and her feelings for 8man. Yui may not be a knowing party though so we can't pin blame on her.
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>>161900676
Everyone abandoned genuine. Yukino decided to swallow her feelings to preserve her friendship with Yui. ANOTHER ends with an awkward date that heavily implies a future breakup.
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>>161900676
Yui is more aggressive and 8man outright ignores Yukino.

>>161900683
Yui gets literally everything she could want. It isn't as if 8man doesn't like her though.

>>161900716
She swallows her feelings for 8man's sake too since she thinks he'd be more happy with Yui's outcome.
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Wow what the fuck this series is actually deep
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>>161900716
>an awkward date that heavily implies a future breakup.
I don't see that implication, I see that he has cold feet. The break up won't be like next week. It will go on longer but not past highschool. He does promise her another date. No one will interfere with her now.
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>>161900657
8man is a person who believes he doesn't deserve love based on the hand dealt to him. That's why he's so prone to committing social suicide. He thinks no one cares. But Yukino cares enough to actually berate him and go out of her way to make it so he can't give up on himself (kicking him out of the club). She cares about him enough to realize that she might be the problem, but 8man doesn't want that. He wants the relationship they have to be something that can't be broken due to something so small.

They like each other a lot, but they doubt themselves. Hopefully volume 12, 8man actually has a one to one talk with Yukino. About everything, even if ti sadly forgoes Yui in the end.
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>>161900757
Yeah what the fuck. Why are people all of a sudden actually discussing shit. Where are the memes.
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>>161900509
I'm not sure what the harem pandering boogieman people here love to pretend wasn't present from the beginning even has to do with what I was saying, it's the response you guys have to everything anyone says about this series I swear.

8man having friends now, being able to talk to others in general, and not irrationally over-analyzing every little thing as hard as the average Yahari thread poster does anymore is important development for the character too. Contrary to saying that the series would be better without that, it'd be more one-note and 8man would come off as more of less genuine sperg who just has girl troubles without most of that stuff to offset it if anything.
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>>161900794
Yui asks if they will return there (to Disney Land) someday and he says yes. At the end of that date which was marked by silence and awkward conversation. It brings to mind earlier in the series when it was remarked that couples breakup at Disney Land.
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>>161900794
I think he's talking about all the firework symbolism. Watari even mentions it in the afterword
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>>161900750
>She swallows her feelings for 8man's sake too since she thinks he'd be more happy with Yui's outcome.

But she isn't being honest with herself or 8man. ANOTHER kinda destroys the lesson the series is trying to say. No one 1. has a genuine relationship with one another and things remain the same 2. Yukino fails to live up to her own expectations and decided to live up to Yui's and 3. 8man and Yukino forgoed their true feelings (which is their right to be selfish).
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>>161900907
>ANOTHER kinda destroys the lesson the series is trying to say
I think that was the point. Waifufags took it as just the Yui route, but I think WW was trying to convey what would happen if 8man gave up on genuine
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>>161900805
>8man is a person who believes he doesn't deserve love based on the hand dealt to him. That's why he's so prone to committing social suicide. He thinks no one cares.
This is true but he has snapped out of most of it. Addressing Yui earnestly might be the way to fully do it.

At first Yukino did that not out of concern for him as an individual, it was because she was bothered that he almost sacrificed his life for a little dog. That changes later though.

> He wants the relationship they have to be something that can't be broken due to something so small.
It remains to be seen if he gets it. Yukino may not have the same interpretation of genuine as him but she doesn't outright ignore it like Yui.

>>161900838
>>161900878
They'll break up all right but the hole will be deeper than a two date relationship. 8man gave up on genuine so he'd have a hard time breaking the flow and Yui controls that. Yui would sooner jump in front of a bus than break up with him because she doesn't care if he truly loves her.
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>>161900811
>>161900757
The series isn't about waifu wars. People just brought that shit to here. 8man just wants to be loved and someone finally is taking the time to truly learn to love him, but it isn't that easy because complacency is easier than working to a happy ending where not everyone is happy. 8man doesn't want Yui to go, but if that's how weak their relationship was, then it wasn't really genuine to begin with.
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Man I really missed discussing Yahari with you guys. I really do love this series
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>>161900838
Yui said that second line and 8man denies it. Yui might be sharper than we think.

It implies that hey will have a a reasonably long but unfulfilling relationship.
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>>161900969
i think that's the tragic part about Yui. She isn't really a real romantic interest to 8man because she represents what's wrong with relationships, but to a far lesser degree when compared to Hayato and his group. She wants to be happy without the struggle, while 8man and Yukino are struggling to understand each other and find a way where they're both happy. Yukino got too attached to Yui, but things have to change so Yukino can be happy.

Hopefully we get a heatfelt confession out of Yukino that isn't VN-garbo tier. I don't want Yui to go, but she isn't really there to be a true friend sadly.
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>>161901024
>inb4 8man ends up with sore aru
Is there a better troll ending that would destroy everyons boy pussy? Haruno end?
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>>161901024
I like the fact that Watari is their for everything (character songs, what the anime should show, advertisement, etc), so all nods and pieces of symbolism can be discussed.

The man made me care about fucking penguin symbolism. That's impressive.
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>>161901080
If you really want to piss people off, you pair the girls up with other dudes
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>>161901073
I want Yui to confess too. It would feel bad if she never does since that is what this series is to her. I don't think she will, I think she will stay true to her nature and suck it in. She might not come back though, at least to be 8man's friend. Yui isn't a person, she is a character used to drive a message and a point home. Yui has always been considered an easy way out since she is basically unconditional love and a cute girlfriend without any real hassle.

Yukino and 8man might have a short mutual confession that needs not be said but said anyways.

>>161901122
Yui's character song implies that she hasn't given up, that Yukino really likes 8man and has for a bit, and that both of them are concerned with choices he will make and his future. If WW wrote it then the end is in the stars.
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>>161901211
Yui is aware that she's a distant 2nd place, but she'll still try. 8man ultimately rejecting her would be pretty painful for all 3 of them, but it would be better in the long run. Hopefully Yui doesn't run away and hide, but she is the antithesis to Yukino.

Now the bigger issue after both 8man and Yukino confirm their feelings for one another, what's Yukimom gonna do? Haruno seems 100% for Yukino to be in a genuine relationship with Hachiman, but I don't know how Yukimom would accept some normal person to be with her daughter.
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>>161901211
>She might not come back though, at least to be 8man's friend
I dont think so la', shes way too good, they might not be '''bffs''' as before but they will still be friends after the yukinon and 8man happens
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>>161901349
I really hope we don't get a "Wait for me, we'll meet again when I'm a man worthy of you" ending. I hate that shit
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>>161901349
>what's Yukimom gonna do?
she's the final boss, if vol12 is not the last one, we are gonna get her in the next vol, I think once they deal with her its when we are have the end of the ln
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>>161900817
I'd argue that Hachiman's story (just his story) would function alright, if not better, with the romance removed altogether honestly. People will bitch at me for saying that but I bet most of the people who'd do that have also seriously entertained the idea of a "loner end" for Hachiman too. I guess I'm sorta suggesting a step beyond that. Not only does his story not need to end with romance, it didn't really need it at all to function either. You don't need romance to have a story of this high-functioning autist who has problems understanding those around him at school, getting to grips doing so over time. You already have the overly zealous teacher who understands him, the caring family member and varied assortment of side characters to make up the required setting for said story.

Though while it would've been less generic without the obligatory teen romance content, it also wouldn't sell anywhere near as well either which is the really the only thing that matters in the end I suppose.
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>>161901349
Do we really have to go down the usual "parents are bad guys, teenagers are awesome! :D" route like every other story of this type again? Surely we'll get something less cliche and dumb
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>>161901522
Thing is, its also Yukino's story. I mean its been their story of slowly growing closer and understanding each other from the very start
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>>161901483
They are both picking Liberal Arts, so hopefully they can get over this hump and find happiness after highschool as well. The Yukino relationship seems like it'll last a long time, as evident by both genuine and penguins.
>>161901522
I think romance is what keeps this story more grounded. Hachiman wants to be cared about outside of people obligated to (like his family), but he has to learn to care about others and their feelings. True love is the ultimate form of caring about someone else in this context, so of course it would have romance.
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>>161901376
Yui will be done with 8man but not Yukino. She never wanted to be his friend.

>>161901349
Haruno and Hayama sniffed out Yukino liking 8man months before Yukino, 8man, or Yui did. Yukimom is probably well aware of the situation.
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>>161901569
I think Yukino has to stand up for herself and what she wants (not be Haurno, 8 inches, etc), but the parents have a right to maintain their status, no matter how superficial it seems.

Watari will figure out a way, but hopefully things don't wrap up nicely. Hopefully the rift between Yukino and Yukimom is natural, and Yukino chose her own happiness for once.
>>161901580
They both want real relationships, so them growing closer is the point of the story. In their minds, they are the most genuine and real when their sitting together reading and talking about things. Fuck, that's how the series should end. The two of them sitting, reading, and talking. Shit.
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>>161901731
That'd be good. No romance means sidegirl fags won't an hero. The romance front with those two is weak to start with.
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>>161901580
I did say that I was only talking about Hachiman's story, which does make up the majority of the series. Like I said, it'd function fine (personally I think it'd be a lot stronger without it, though of course it's easy to say that now with all this hindsight we now have) without it but you need "Yukino's story" as you put it for something like this to even sell.

>>161901654
>I think romance is what keeps this story more grounded.
I think the opposite. That's not a criticism either, the overly romanticized and melodramatic love interest stuff is exactly what makes it appealing to a lot of people. If it dropped the romance and just covered Hachiman opening up to those around him throughout high school and then being ready to tackle life by the end of it, the story would be "more grounded" (for better or worse) but I don't think the story is meant to be grounded at all (does anyone even really read LNs for grounded characters and plotlines?)
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>>161901816
I'll be shocked at this point if the ending isn't a romantic one
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>>161901880
It'll be a subtle one and won't go too far in the future. 8man's feelings need to be developed and we have to know if Yukino wants to be in that sort of relationship with him.

Yui won't an hero though, as oh volume 11 she can handle it.
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>>161901862
Plenty of people delude themselves into thinking that they were just like 8man when they were in school, Watari's doing something right here. Teenage romance is baby's first unfulfilled fantasy that people can latch onto in a story too.
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>>161901862
The series should have ended at volume 9 if we were going to no romance route. 8man's story is mostly done. I don't want a romance end to be honest but I am sure that isn't the story WW wanted to tell.
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>>161901958
>a top ranked beauty and a really hot girl who'd do anything to be yours both love you
Not my highschool life.
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>>161901862
I get what you're saying. But still, Yahari is the story of two loners growing as people. It was never just about 8man. And I prefer it that way
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>>161902040
>Yahari is the story of two loners growing as people thanks to their optimistic and gorgeous best friend Yui who they both love and adore
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