Is his legacy ruined because of the constant revivals? What the

>>161608522
absolutely

>>161608522
>4 come backs just to job in canon, filler, movie and GT before RoF
>still the most iconic villain
You can't break Freeza-sama.

>>161608522
More like his legacy is getting fixed after he was humiliatingly killed by Trunks and treated like a scrub in filler, movies and GT.

>>161610733

His appearance in RoF was great, but I question his appearance in the ToP. I know the arc still has a while to go before its finished, but he hasn't done shit so far.

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>>161610727
>You can't break Freeza-sama.
This. He could lose to Yamcha and he'd still be the most beloved DB villain.

Cellfags BTFO.

Remember King Cold?

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>>161611261
Nobody cares, his son is Cooler.

Will super have a second new villain or is it ogre after the current arc.

>>161608522
It shows how weak Toriyama's writing is.
He, literally, can't come up with a better, more engaging, more interesting villain than Frieza (despite numerous attempts with Cell, Majin Buu, etc.).

It's kind of like how Togarashi is stuck with HXH without Meruem.
Or how Kubo wrote himself into a corner once he wrapped up the Hueco Mundo arc with Aizen.

A good villain makes the hero stand out that much more and gives the central conflict meaning. Without one, you may as well be writing a SoL story.

>>161608522

Those episodes he had just before the tournament were amazing though, it did more for his legacy than all his other revivals.

>>161611363
Goku is the new villain

>>161608522
Fuck no. If anything, he's the only reason I'm even bothering with this shitfest.

Complaining about revivals in DBZ is like complaining about asspull powerups in DBZ.

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>>161608522


HE SHOULD NOFAP THO

We would've had Cell if the animators weren't lazy and cheap since apparently animating Cell's dots is too hard for them.

>>161613063

But he's not doing anything.

>>161613141

Powers up were actually used effectively up until the Cell arc. That's when everyone was able to attain SSJ by default.

>>161613141
>Complaining about revivals in DBZ is like complaining about asspull powerups in DBS
Fixed that for you.

Freeza's comeback in the ToP made sense for the moment, they needed a strong 10th fighter to replace Buu and Beerus' tongue slipped.

Those episodes were some of the best in Super.

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>>161614110
Toriyama setting up Freeza's 530k benchmark as a huge thing and then saying "fuck it" and making the saiyans (and later on Piccolo) power up through BS means like crazy and then make the same for Freeza so he can stay way beyond their reach (ESPECIALLY when he reveals that he's still using a tiny fraction of his full power in final form despite the entire purpose of the lower forms having been established only a few chapters before to be so he could control his power) is by far the worse example of shoddily written power scaling in the canon.

>>161614350
>worse
*worst

>>161613923
It's called patience, dum-dum.

>>161614690

What the hell could he possibly do that would be interesting? Team up with Frost only to be thrawted by Goku and Jiren last second? Boring.

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>>161611363
dragon ball is beyond shitty villians plots at this point.
the fight is all.

>>161611261
Probably stronger than Freeza himself if Trunks let him transform.

>>161615149
Teaming up with Goku to beat Jiren.
Why the hell would he even try to fight against Goku it's erasure if their universe loses.
Freeza also believes Goku that he will be revived if U7 wins.
There is no reason for Freeza to betray them in the ToP.

>>161615149
He could do
Literally
Anything
Like being one of the 4 beings that make sense to be in the tournament of power

>>161615149
How about everything he's already talked about that you're apparently too autistic to pay attention to? Retard.

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>>161608522
Nah he was always garbage, his revival can only help him look better

>>161617452

I literally just said he would team up with Frost, like he said he would when the ToP began. What the fuck are you talking about?

>>161616321

Explain this scene then:

https://youtu.be/Pk4GpkLjTI8?t=93

>>161616442

Well, time is running out. More than half of the ToP participants are out and this dude hasn't done shit.

>>161618777
>the fodders are out
That just means they're saving him for the important fights when only the big guys are left

>>161611384
>It's kind of like how Togarashi is stuck with HXH without Meruem.
Are you shitting us, what kind of bullshit is that? Every HxH antagonist is well written, Meruem had the most development because he lasted one arc

>>161618678
And you assumed he'd get "thwarted by Goku and Jiren" despite having nothing to base that off, which is completely retarded.

>>161615507
Retcons claim no one was as strong as Frieza in his race. Thank god Cooler's non-canon status saved him

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>>161619203
Every single bad guy sucks

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>>161619203
>>161619234
Speak for those guys. Took a Spiritbomb Sword to kill Zamasu² and the fucker became the multiverse due to that

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>>161619234
And Cell sucks the most.

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>>161619291
I get what you're saying, but why would you post an empty picture?

>>161619328
I don't know, at least Cell wasn't reconstructed to job against some literal who

>>161618733
What is there to explain?
They have a temporary truce.
There is no reason for Freeza to betray U7, NONE.

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>>161619354
Much worse, he just jobbed against a child, who jobbed to Freeza.

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>>161619537
A child that has the potential to be the strongest in the universe and was the strongest in that moment.

Freeza in the other hand... it's not so glorious

name a single unique Cell move inb4 17's barrier

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>>161619581
>A child that has the potential to be the strongest in the universe
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

>>161620150
Regenerating from a single cell in his nucleus.
What do I win?

>>161620262
>implying it's not true

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>>161618733
Oh, he will backstab someone alright, but it won't be U7.
If i were to be honest with myself tho, i expect Frost to backstab him, that fucker might not be as EVULZ as Frieza but sure as hell, he's an order of magnitude more sleazy.
And it'll probably push him to properly integrate with U7 for the remainder of the melee, for convenience if nothing else

>>161620401
It isn't.

>>161620664
It is, are you going to ignore everything in the series and something that was stated multiple times?

>>161620664
>Goku has the potential to reach Beerus (noted by Whis and prophecy)
>Gohan has much bigger potential than him (noted by half of the cast)
Also, before BoG retcon, Gohan actually was the strongest in the universe (though I guess he still would lose to Goku due to being the dumbest fighter out of all main characters).

>>161619148

What do you think is going to happen? Goku vs. Jiren is going to be the final fight, no matter what bullshit happens from here on out.

>>161619457

You really think Frieza won't take a shot at Goku or someone else? This dude tried to take a cheap shot at Goku when he only had half of his body.

>>161619457
>freeza takes out goku while he had his guard down
>he is the last one standing
>he has access to the super dragon balls

It would be retarded if he didn't betray U7

You're all retarded Frieza and Frost are gonna fuse and then take the tournament to zeno. Also Gohan and Goku will fuse

>>161619005
>Every HxH antagonist is well written
nope

>>161621003
>>161621196
>Gohanfags remaining this delusional
You guys are just annoying at this point. You clearly aren't familiar with how Toriyama does things. He might have planned for Gohan to be the strongest back in the Z days, but those plans were clearly scrapped. Even statements that were made a year ago don't mean anything today because Toriyama has always shot from the hip. That doesn't just apply to Gohan, but the whole series.

Besides that, Goku is the only character who is confirmed to get a massive power-up. Anything you think will happen for Gohan is nothing but headcanon on your part until proven otherwise.

>>161621460

I'd pay money to see that. Zen-Oh has to be one of the most annoying characters in Super.

Frieza's legacy was ruined when him and his dad got slashed apart and one-shotted by a litteral who right after his arc.

If anything Frieza being in Super reminded me how good of a villain he is when he's actually powerful.

>>161621551
>declare that gohan has the potential to be the strongest in the universe
>"that's not true"
>what about the multiple statements about him having the hightest potential
>fucking gohanfags your character is shit and he won't be the strongest again

We weren't even talking about him in the ToP you fucking retard, are you actually denying that Gohan could be the strongest of the universe?

>>161621720
>We weren't even talking about him in the ToP
Then why talk about him at all? Past arcs from years gone by are fuck all relevant now. That just reeks of desperation to cling to your shitty headcanon.

And can you read? I already told you that statements in this series rarely mean anything until they actually come to fruition. I literally just explained this in my last post, you braindead moron.

>are you actually denying that Gohan could be the strongest of the universe?
Yes. He never will be, and you're a complete fucking retard if you think he will.

>>161622302
Because we were talking about Cell and that he was beaten by a kid whose potential could make him the strongest in the universe you absolute fucking retard, and that statement was true in the Cell arc.

And he could, if he kept training, it's possible, I don't understand why you're so buttblasted

>>161611363
There's going to be at least one more arc after this where they address what the Grand Priest is up to.

>>161622882
>and that statement was true in the Cell arc.
But it's not now, yet you clearly take stock in them for this arc since you're using them to try and back up your headcanon.

>And he could, if he kept training, it's possible,
He won't. Like I said, Toiryama doesn't give a fuck about statements he made in the past. Get that through your head, retard.

>>161622882
and Piccolo daimao was unable to regenerate because Toriyama didn't think he was a namek by then

>>161623033
But I'm not talking about him in this arc you absolute fucking retard, I stated that he has the potential, you're arguing against yourself

>>161623508
>I stated that he has the potential
Then you are talking about him in this arc, because you genuinely believe that statements from years ago are relevant now. How fucking stupid are you?

>>161621363
How can he even backstab Goku if they are the last 2 standing?
That's the moment the ToP is over.
At most he can convince Zeno to allow him to 1v1 Goku for the Super Dragon Balls, and even that is unlikely.

The only reason that they brought Freeza back again, is so that he can be another ally for Goku.

>>161621306
Yes. because Freeza isn't a retard.
He was implusive, but he isn't dumb. It was even stated that he learned to control himself through the mental training in hell.
He wasn't even angry when Goku came to visit him.

>>161623711
But that's a part of his fucking character you dumb fuck, and it wasn't just stated by Toriyama, it was stated in the manga as well by characters in universe, even in the Super manga,. How can you not see this? Are you fucking mentally deficient?

>>161624078
>wait until both goku and jiren are almost burned out
>kick goku out
>defeat what's left of jiren
>claim the wish

It's not that hard, what other option he has to resurrect?

>>161624121
>it was stated in the manga as well by characters in universe, even in the Super manga
And guess who made those characters make those statements. That's right, Toriyama. So again, you're a fucking retard.

Anyway, I'm done. This conversation has just been a jolly exercise in bullying the mentally handicapped, which is what most Gohanfags seem to be these days.

>>161624158
Get resurrected by Goku?
Goku would never go back on his word as long as Freeza keeps his part of the deal.

>>161624245
Of course you dumb faggot, but unless it is specifically retconned in universe that means that Gohan's potential is canon and it's still a thing, even in Super which is the most recent thing.

You can't possibly be this retarded, even if you're just baiting

>>161624265
And do you think Freeza expects everyone to just leave him alone after he gets ressurected to he can get stronger and get his revenge? of course not, he has to plan something to betray them otherwise his revival will be short lived

>>161624351
>Freeza expects everyone to just leave him alone after he gets ressurected
Yes, Goku spared him twice already, and Vegeta isn't a threat.
Goku doesn't give a fuck about Freeza genociding random planets as long as he leaves Earth alone.


>, he has to plan something to betray them
What an amazing idea.
>Betray U7
>Risk a 1v1 against a tired Jiren
>Make Beerus angry
>Make Goku angry
>Be in the Void, which he can't leave without help.
Fighting with U7 and playing a large part in their victory is better than betraying them.

>>161624500
If he actually goes through with the plan of eliminating Goku and beating a weak Jiren, neither Beerus or Goku can do shit while he gets access to the Super Dragon Balls.

It's the only way to actually secure whatever plan he has in store

>>161624560
>access to the Super Dragon Balls.
I don't think that Zeno likes backstabbing.
Is it even confirmed that the last fighter will get the Super Dragon Balls?
Goku stated that the "best fighter" will get them.

Freeza is dead in 22 hours if he doesn't wish to come back alive. He has pretty much only 1 wish that he can take.

>>161624690
Zeno likes anything that's neat or fun to see. remember that Freeza is looking to manipulate the gods to get what he wants. the best fighter must be the last one to be standing, or maybe Zeno decides who was the best fighter. No idea

>>161611241
Is it wrong to think that
>TFS Cell > Freeza > Cell

>>161624734
What's his plan?
Get the Super Dragon Balls to wish all the universes back?
Goku would forgive him, and still revive him.
The other universes including their GoDs would all celebrate him as a hero who stopped the evil Goku and swear loyality to him.

>>161625121
Not really, he can ask for inmortality maybe, that's seems like something Freeza would actually want, I don't know, we will see his plan in action later, But having access to the Super Dragon Balls is probably the best thing he could ask for

>>161608522
>What the hell is he doing the current arc anyway?
He lost all respect as a villain previously, he's using this arc to get it all back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY5D2J9ljZI

He's destroying everyone, and he was only brought back to life for a day because Goku knows Freiza is the strongest. They're trying to make him feel dangerous again, rather than that guy in GT and Trunks arc who got killed with one hit.

>>161620150
Perfect Kamehameha?

>>161624769
>TFS anything
Yes. Fuck off.

>>161624769
What's the difference between TFS Cell and Toriyama Cell?

>>161611363

New villain will either be the Great Priest or someone from one of the 4 strongest universes that were exempt from the tournament.

>>161611363
Presumably more freeza, but they could get someone from another universe for goku to fight

>>161620150
wasn't Cell's deal that he was a combination of Piccolo, Vegeta, Freeza?

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>create a cool, menacing villain
>make him get rekt in the most humiliating way possible once the protagonist learns a brand new transformation
>bring him back only to have him job miserably to a guy who barely does anything useful later on
>tfw you realize all the other main baddies in Dragon Ball were more successful than Freeza

>>161624769
Yes, it is. Kill yourself.

>>161626224
>tfw you realize all the other main baddies in Dragon Ball were more successful than Freeza
>Daimao = Dead
>Piccolo = Turned into a good guy like a pussy
>Vegeta = Turned into a good guy like a pussy and is now a resident jobber
>Cell = Dead, probably repented like a bitch
>Buu = Dead, reincarnated into a niglet
>Zamasu = Literally doesn't exist anymore

Seems like Frieza got the better deal desu.

>>161625868
He uses Destructo Disc too.

And man, I was just rewatching the dub of Cell games and holy shit it's obnoxious. "Look at them, they belong together, they are both so weak". Did they really need to add so many narration lines where the original didn't have any in the first place?

>>161626348
>Zamasu = Literally doesn't exist anymore
Didn't Whis seal him away or something? Doesn't Zamasu still technically exist in that timeline sent Trunks and Mai to?

>>161626377
>Did they really need to add so many narration lines where the original didn't have any in the first place?

This is why they wanted to begin again with DBZ Kai.

>>161625605
They play up Cell's eccentricities in the TFS dub, while Toriyama Cell kind of struggles to leave Frieza's shadow.

>>161626377
>Did they really need to add so many narration lines where the original didn't have any in the first place?
The dub does that alot and it's pretty annoying. Destroys tension. Look at all these added lines here. Dubfags will defend it, though. "17 LOOK OUT!"
https://youtu.be/lw6KXY8jzzE?t=1m14s

>>161626348
Piccolo - got his wish on the Dragon Balls, took over the world, beat up the MC 3 times, then killed him.
Vegeta - it took the efforts of all protagonists to make him retreat, later saved the day by helping Gohan beat Cell.
Cell - acheved perfection, killed MC, put up a good fight.
Buu - killed/absorbed everybody, destroyed the planet.
Zamasu - got his wish on Dragon Balls, made protagonists rely on divine intervention to destroy him. Even then, took Trunks's entire timeline with him.

Freeza - couldn't get the Dragon Balls, got his best henchmen killed and had his empire go to shit.

>>161626348
>Buu = just eating candy at Satan's place
living the life

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>>161615507
True

>>161626224
>tfw you realize all the other main baddies in Dragon Ball were more successful than Freeza
Freeza ran a universe spanning business, that's far better than:
>Pilaf: Turned into a kid
>RRA: dismantled
>Mercenary Tao: Blown up, turned into a cyborg, jobs to Tien
>Tien: Becomes the resident jobber, "life partner" is a tiny mime.
>King Piccolo: Short Reign ends with a hole in his heart, along with the rest of his chest
>Piccolo Jr.: Resident Babysitter
>Raditz: Dead
>Vegeta: Hot wife and second strongest on Earth.
>Android 16: Dead
>Android 17: Lives alone in the woods
>Android 18: Married a manlet
>Cell: Hosted a single tournament, killed a few people, then died like a chump.
>Buu: Goes from listening to the orders of a manlet magician, to listening to the orders of a aging celebrity.

Even if you only count on-screen achievements, at least Freeza blew up a legit planet and committed near genocide, the only other villain that accomplishes that is Buu.

>>161626643
>Counting King Piccolo and Piccolo Jr. as the same person.
Retard alert.

>>161626445
So, what was the logic behind that anyways?
The zamasu native to that timeline had no Black to ally with and begin his mortal-killing rampage. Without Black, he would just sit there in quiet rage at the ningen.
Meaning that for him to begin any shit over there, he would need to be paid a visit from a Zamasu from another timeline (he wouldn't become Black himself because no Goku or Vegeta exists in the timeline created for him to move into; also, not enough saiyans for SSG in that timeline in U7 = Beerus still sleeping and no Champa arc).
And there are only two timelines where Goku didn't die from the heart virus and therefore reached the point where he took part in the champa arc, which caught Zamasu's attention in the process. One of them (the one created dy Beerus) already spent its native Zamasu, he is the one who successfully exchanged bodies and traveled to FT's original timeline where he ended up erased along with it. The other is the main timeline where Zamasu is destroyed by Beerus, which is what creates the previous timeline.
In short, there are no timelines left where Zamasu can even become Black and then travel to another timeline and start shit there along with its native Zamasu.

>>161626445
Pretty sure we saw Zen-Oh straight up erase him, anon.

>>161626377
Destructo Disc is filler shit though.
I mean he should be able to use the version Freeza has, which has the tracking added to it, so whatever.

My Freeza dakimakura has shit stains on it because sometimes in the night I unexpectedly use it to wipe after accidental projectile farting.

>>161626954
Whis explains it at the end of the arc. Don't you pay attention? Beerus hakaing caused another timeline.

>>161627059
>accidental projectile farting.
I think that's called shitting, anon.

>>161626828
From the looks of it, Freeza was only the face of the empire, while his father did the ruling. Also, see>>161626643
Now that I think of it, Pilaf had it rough, too.
>>161626880
Why not?

>>161627130
But in the night on my side it sometimes feels like a fart when I am half asleep.

I wonder what DB fans bedrooms smell like.

>>161619581
Wonder what Cells personal hells is.

>>161627181
>From the looks of it, Freeza was only the face of the empire, while his father did the ruling.
You could have argued that in Z, but with the new info from RoF and DBS, the fact that the remnants of his family's empire chose to resurrect him implies that he was the true mastermind behind everything, with his father likely acting as a figurehead (which would explain why he wasn't any stronger than his son.)

>Why not?
Piccolo Jr. is a reincarnation of King Piccolo, with a different personality and characteristics. It's like saying Kid Buu and Uub are the same person.

>>161619581
Spelled *Cocoon wrong.

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Sorry I am late everyone. I needed to make a change for everyone's prescription.

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>>161627403
Something like this, maybe?

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>>161627529
Thank you, doctor.

>>161627447
But Piccolo Jr. has his father's memories.

>>161611261
remember when he held trunks' sword and it increased like 10x in size it was actually bigger than trunks at one angle

>>161627403
Gohan obliterated all of his cells

>>161627403
>>161627612
doesn't matter, he sought redemption and moved on (towards being reincarnated). just like all the other villains that have died in this series except Frieza. they literally stated in the show that Frieza was only one left because he refused to repent.

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>>161627529
Thank you, doctor.

>>161626828
>Leaves out the part where Vegeta jobs to everyone in the funniest ways possible

Vegetafag detected.

>>161628043
You forgot to add "source: my ass".

>>161627403
>Cell is perfect
>his hell are imperfections
>a bunch of SS2 Gohans aberrations around Cell like one Gohan dancing badly, one reading badly, one not reaching his potential, one Gohan that can't walk straight, one handicapped Gohan, one mentally challenged Gohan, etc etc etc

>>161628043
>Cell
>accepting that isn't perfect
>with the cells of Freeza, Cold and prideful Saiyans
Nope.

>>161628392
>Cell is perfect
>his hell are imperfections
>a bunch of SS2 Gohans aberrations around Cell like one Gohan dancing badly, one reading badly, one not reaching his potential, one Gohan that can't walk straight, one handicapped Gohan, one mentally challenged Gohan, etc etc etc

So.. pretty much Cell watching Gohan's life after their fight?

>>161628483
That, and Cell games reenaction.

Friezas wish will be reviving the saiyans

>>161625605
Tfs cell feels himself more because of his efforts to attain perfection.

>>161611384
It's the same with every franchise. Frieza is to Goku what the Joker is to Batman

>>161629086

Except in DBZ once Freiza died he stayed dead.

>>161627529
thanks doc

>>161628593
And then killing them all over again in front of Goku and vagina

GT > Super

>>161620150

Being so handsome.

>>161625605
TFS Cell is gay for Goku and has a perfect jawline.

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>>161627529
weak doc. everyone knows that 2d dose is the best

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kid buu best buu
also best antagonist

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>>161631888
Wasted trips, Cell is obviously superior.

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Anyine else thinks this guy should been on the tournament instead of Krillin/Tien?

>>161626643
>later saved the day by helping Gohan beat Cell.
true but also his sperg out at Trunk's very temporary death caused the situation in the first place
2 armed Gohan would've taken Cell

>>161632070
Amount of arms wouldn't make much of a difference. Cell wasn't even using all of his power, he was dragging it out and taunting Gohan.

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>>161632164
Gohan says he's only at half strength after getting fucked by the blast

>>161632247
That's because he was doubting himself, as Goku stated. But even with his encouragement, Gohan couldn't beat Cell until Vegeta interferred.

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>>161632247
>that scan

>>161632305
try reading Yugioh during mid Battle City finals. Hell it's only in the last 5 years or so they've replaced those shit dragonball scans
Sadly basically just Cell is still shit

Are they going to whip out the Super Dragon Balls for the universe that wins, or are they just going to let surviving be the prize? Since u7 has to win because Shonen anime, what do you guys think the members individual wishes would/will be?

>>161631888
Agreed

can you autists properly title these fucking threads? took forever to find this shit

>>161627403
Can't imagine it as anything else but this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QU-Kf7ZIYI

>>161632443
Boo hoo, read the sticky.

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>>161632388
>Light weapons aren't my only ability
>I also have tits!

Wew.

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>>161632247
>I want you to show the power that both of us made
uh oh

>>161608522
why do you have to remind me that super exists

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>>161632771
Why do you post in threads about stuff you don't like?

>>161608522
Makes him unique as a Dragon Ball Villain
no one else has stuck around without
joining the good guys

so no

>>161627403
Androids teasing his dicktail but never letting him cum.

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>>161632682
shh

Frieza really dodged a bullet with his betrayal doesn't he?

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>>161632897
kinky

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Why didn't they use the dragon balls to wish for both her personalities to have their own body?

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>>161632609
>>161632388
The episode looks different than I remember.

>>161625427
Aaand here comes the edgy contrarian.

>>161626880
Jr. has King's soul and memories, though. They're essentially the same character. Only difference being Jr. is more of an introvert.

>>161624769
>5 Months since the last episode
What happened?

>>161635916
The last one came out 2 months ago. The next one will probably be posted soon.

>>161632247
WHY are you so horrible that you do this sort of thing to people's work for fun?
>Hey Gohan, if you don't kill me, I'll take you to Disney Land!

>>161626893
>The Fat Controller Laughed:"You are wrong."

>>161631929
Cell was shit.

>>161636112
How long until Toei fucks them over again?

>>161637010
Hopefully, pretty soon

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Do you guys think Cell is still in hell or did he repent and get reincarnated by now?

Also, do you think Freeza will stay revived for Super going forward?

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>>161636942
No, but your taste is.

>>161637256
Even Buu was better than bugman.

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>>161611261
>>161611349
>>161615507
>>161627967
yes, I do

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>>161637299
Such plebeian taste.

>>161637035
I doubt he'd admit he was wrong desu.

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>All these closeted, buttblasted Vegetafags

How fucking humiliating must it be for him to lose to him twice and then to know that all he did was sit in a cocoon in hell and he still managed to stay stronger than him.

>>161625211
If I were Freiza, I'd wish to go back in time so I could blow up Earth before Goku could defeat me.

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>>161639337
DElET

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>>161639337
I want to hold Friezas hand

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>>161640550
Can't blame you, he a cute.

>>161608522
Yes
GT>Super

>>161637387
>Muh fighting autism
>Muh unoriginal copied abilities
Yeah, he was trash.

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>>161643775
>implying these are issues in the first place