What is your most hated trope is battle anime? >character

Power up via nakama

>>161482403
Didn't he lose his powers?

"Crazy", overpowered characters, especially children.

yo he still ain't got his powers back

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>>161482403
Is losing a friendship and being removed from his own story really "inconsequential"?

>>161482474
>>161482435
He still has aura just no nen usage to my knowledge.

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>>161482403
>Character uses new self taught skill.
>Told to never use it again because of later health issues related to it.
>Never uses skill again.

>>161482502
Compared to how the manga said that he basically sacrificed his life and how we got to see the dried-fruit-Gon? I'd say yes

>>161482504
isn't that kinda like having a bullet but no gun?

>>161482589
It's like having a good save file and erasing it out of anger, you can still play but you have to start from scratch.

Uhhh didnt he get literally written off from his own fucking story? I know kurappika will bring some bullshit that will return his powers, but thats still pretty baller, to just delete MC like that

>>161482403
I will dislike if Gon die. You just don't kill off your MC.

>>161482403
I agree that trope is trash but the example you posted actually follows through with the consequences for now at least. The worst is when it "takes x amount of years off my life".

>MC is a talentless shitter who only got by because he works harder than anyone
>he is a super special snowflake all along

>>161482923
>take x years from my lifespan
>fucker dies at 95, happy
or
>nigga becomes immortal
Every time. Kek.

>>161482923
Related, Rave had an example where a shota mage was fighting some old grandmaster super mage. Shota pulls out his last resort, burning his lifespan in exchange for mana. This manifests in the opposite way from what we expect, with the shota visibly aging through the course of 1 page, and his magic laser got fuckhuge as he aged. Ended up finishing the fight and dying of old age where he stood.

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>>161482821

>>161482548
>character uses new self-taught skill
>realizes that it's a skill for thieves
>wins a fair fight with it
>never uses it again

>>161482923
>>161483022
>one cigarette shortens your life by 11 minutes
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1117323/

>>161482403
>inconsequential
The true cost was Gon's relevance as a character, and that's not something you can cheat your way out of.

>>161482977
In the end I found it amusing how Naruto started off preaching that hard work would overcome talent, yet in the end it turns out Naruto literally was ninja jesus all along.

>>161482977
Fucking Naruuto bit the bullet with this. Wanting to root for the underdog when he was the ninja messiah,a jinchuuriki and the son to the 4th hokage.
>B-but I had a rough childhood and people were mean to me.

>>161482977
>>161483106
>>161483107
Fucking this, working hard was supposed to be core to Naruto's character but Shippuden fucked it so hard. If anyone, Rock Lee should've been the MC.

>>161482403
Asspull power-ups. Give me a little context or backstory for power-ups, anything. Having something there to explain how or even foreshadowing before the reveal is much nicer than having it come from way out from left field.

>>161482608
thats actually a pretty dead-on analogy

>"shit I'm about to lose this fight"
>"better pull out "that" secret power even the audience doesn't know about"

>>161483513
And many times, even the character doesn't know about the secret power until then.

>>161483513
It works when it's a mundane trick or a creative application of known abilities. Doesn't happen often though.

>>161483337

Working hard was never core to Naruto's character. In the very first chapter he learned the Kage Bushin Jutsu just by reading the scroll and using his massive chakra. In the Bridge arc he only survives because of the Nine-Tails Chakra. In the Chuniin arc Jiraiya pushes him off a cliff so the Nine-Tails will save him. In the Tsunade arc he uses shortcuts and clones to get around the hard work part of the Rasengan. He basically just bums around with Jiraiya for 3 years and learns nothing but a bigger Rasengan. He uses shadow clones to shortcut through nature transformation. I mean, I can go on and on--the idea the Naruto was ever about hard work is silly.

>>161483513

Pesche and Dondochakka from Bleach are some of my favorite side characters--it was such a blow for them to pull this only to have it fail because they didn't use it right away.

>>161483631
This.

Working hard was only Rock Lee's thing, and Rock Lee got blow tf out by Gaara and humbled by Sasuke. Saying shippuden shitted on the theme of hard work is silly because it was already shitted on in the very same arc it was introduced

>>161482403
The worst example of this for me was Guy.

>>161482403
>inconsequential
>so powerless he's not even the MC now and is just studying on his comfy island home while everyone else is participating in a battle royale on a boat headed for even more extreme danger

>>161483729
>>161483631
In the end guy was recognized by madara as the strongest man ever. Even though he basically sacrificed himself (Only to be revived lmao) but still, I believe he would be able to fuck over anyone with 8 gates open

The MC in Aldnoah Zero. I dont have a problem with novice pilots winning against vetarans when they use overpowered Mobile Suits that are superior while also making use of fucking magic (see most Gundams slaying grunts). But in AZ the novice uses a training bot against veterans who use overpowered suits that make use of magic and dozens of gimmicks, and he still wins every fight almost unscathed. Now thats just too fucking retarded for me to swallow.

>>161482403
>Inconsequential
He lost its ability to fight. And it has been YEARS. Gon will never be relevant as a character ever again.

>>161482403
High school setting.

>>161483513
O

>>161486239
MY

>>161486520
RUBBER

>>161486543
BUNZ

>>161482403
I hope this isn't pic related since Gon still doesn't have nen anymore.

>>161483107
Don't give me that shit, naruto was as genius from the beginning.

>sucks at ninjutsu because he was LODS OF CHAKRA, PROBABLY
>that and no one really bothers to train him, no clan like the other kids with parents teaching them at an early age
>Over does the chacra amounts so it fucks up his shit
>finds a forbiden justsu thats supporsed to take a very long time to master
>masters it in one night
>said high chakra gives it a huge power boost

The instant he gets 1 good technique and a good teacher he starts accelerating in his growth.

>>161482403
>10 episodes of Goku powering up later...
>screaming the name of an attack as they do it (not exclusive to battle anime)
>there is never a creative solution- more difficult problems merely need to be punched harder

>>161482403
>Massive power up isn't enough to kill the bad guy outright

Just let it happen once. FUCK.

>>161486746
Naruto

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>>161482403
>Over explains any action a character takes in a fight
>a Loli who contributes nothing to the story shows up
>MC being a skinny faggot who can bench buff men because h-he's fast
>Instead of character development, you just have edge
>OP spoils every detail
>Someone making a loud screeching noise whenever someone else is kawaii

>>161482403
>MC is completely normal at the beginning
>Even less than normal, and everyone continue saying this every time
>Except that he has a ridiculously oversized, "natural/since birth" amount of stamina/magical energy/ki/whatever

>>161482403
I hate almost everything, shonen is extremely receptive and formulated, with rare exceptions, it's a genre for children after all

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>>161482548
Character uses new self taught skill that causes massively damage to himself too if he uses it.
>MC trained to use it in a way that makes sense and has been foreshadowed so that it doesn't cause damage to himself anymore and the new way even made the skill more versatile.

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>>161482403
>If I eat these gumballs passed down in my family i will surely die but gain great power to defeat the current enemy
>doesn't end up dying

>>161482403
>character is a 14 year old who has to choose between risking death fighting for humanity or doing nothing and dying with the rest of humanity
>he acts like a retarded emo all the time and contemplates letting humanity be destroyed because his feelings are hurt

>>161482923
I think the only time I've seen it matter is in HxH.

>>161483106
>>161483107
>>161483337
the hard work/talent thing was never a core theme for naruto though outside of rock lee/neji.

Naruto's core theme was always cycles of violence/hatred due to geopolitics.

>>161482403
When the dude is almost a retard and is far from being intelligent, yet he is a fucking genius when its about fighting and can invent/master new techniques with minimum effort and, according to what the show says, is a very smart fighter

>character facing new enemy
>enemy teleports
>"NANI!? KONO SPEEDO!?"

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>MC-kun is so bland and pointless it's more of a "Bystander:The Anime", just to others can self-insert

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>>161488233
>not "HAYAI"
You had one job and you blew it.

>>161487921
You can argue which was the single core central theme of the series, but nobody said hard work WAS the core theme of the series in the first place.
The closest thing to it is the one anon who said hard work was core to Naruto's character.

>>161483700
Fucking who?

>>161483631
Kishimoto tried to drive home the idea of hard work mattering to achieve your dreams.
He just sucked at it.

>>161486759
When?

>>161482821
Gon was never the MC, or at least the sole MC.

>MC learns a technique just by watching it.

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>>161488596

>>161482403
Asspull X asspull

>>161488617
He's clearly the MC

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>>161483066
>Character starts as a thief
>Abandons thievery skills to learn a more honorable fighting style
>Eventually becomes comfortable with combining both skill sets

>>161488786
He isn't. His story is finished. He's not the focus anymore. Kurapika has that role.

>>161482403
Agree

>>161488858
>>161488786
>>161488617
Story can change MC as they go you know, everyone's favorite reference is kinda famous for that.

That said I'm pretty sure gon will pick the post light back up at some point

>>161482403
Anything to do with that fucking bitch Miyata in Hajime no Ippo

>muh tragic weight control
>muh antisocial arrogance


Fuck You. I wish he'd fucking die.

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>>161488902
I reiterate: He was never the MAIN character, but one of seven. Fourteen if you take CA into consideration.

>>161482403
Have you seen Yuki Yuna? If you haven't I'm sure you'd love it. :^)

>>161482548
>Character uses new skill
>Skill causes massive damage to himself
>Continues to use skill for the rest of the series without said damage being mentioned ever again

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>world in danger
>here comes the hero, a girl wearing mini skirt
The only time this is acceptable is in magical girl shows for little girls, as they're hardly "heroes". In every other case, it's unacceptable. If you plan to defeat evil, save lives, bring happiness, at least dress yourself properly. The title of a hero isn't to be treated like this. It shouldn't be given to just any random fuck. A hero must look the part as well. Wearing mini skirts, walking around with your panties just exposed from below, being at mercy of just wind, is just shameful, not heroic material.

>>161486543
NEN

>>161482403
>Character makes a big sacrifice and gives up life for greater good
>they come back few chapters later

>>161493452
If you are shitposting, please stop.
If you are serious, please leave.

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>>161482548
>skill causes damage to the character
>character is forced to retire because of the damage

>>161483513
I fucking loved Bastard!! but that made almost every fight boring as hell

>>161488637
I like that trope

>When a character uses THAT technique

>>161487559
to be fair Eva is kinda justified because everyone there really were shit

>>161487432
>maburoho
>says that the MC will die if he uses magic too many times
>does it anyway
>ends up dying

>but then gets revived using the power of love

>>161488786
He's only really the MC is like 2 arcs (and neither of them are the good arcs)

>>161489334
gay

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>>161482977
You just described why I hate Nardo

>>161482403
Best character dies for good.

>>161486694
>there is never a creative solution- more difficult problems merely need to be punched harder
really that's more notorious in classic battle shounen than modern ones

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>>161486746
and keep in mind the MC powered up TWICE

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>Explanation of a new power takes longer than using the new power
>never brought up again

>>161482403
>Main enemy organization is only focused on attacking schools and kids.

>MC fights an enemy
>enemy is tough as all hell basically wiping the floor with the MC
>using everything he has he finally defeats the enemy
>sometime later
>"a-ha this guy is much stronger than that enemy you had trouble with! you're doomed"
>MC or side character much weaker than him proceeds to curb-stomp him

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>>161486746
Granted the finale was utter shit, but this was hilarious to read

>>161496851
given that high school kids are the only ones that can defeat the organizations it's probably a good idea

>>161496890
>character introduced as "the strongest being ever"
>character that is introduced as being stronger than "the strongest being ever"

pretty much why I hated the Flask Plan arc

>please don't do this MC!
>if you train/ use this technique this way your lifespan will radically decrease!
>MC will never die and if he does it's way into the future when he's very old

>>161482548
>MC has a skill which causes damage to self
>there is a very easy way to get around self damage
>MC continually uses skill without stopping to learn how to not self harm when they use it

>>161496932
But they are not.

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>>161496194
Fucking loved this.
>Master warns him he won't be able to use the techniques to their fullest due to his small stature
>doctor bitch tells him that the style is putting too much a strain and he won't be able to recover from the damage
>actually fucking leaves him with a broken body and forces the man to adopt a quiet family life with best girl
>passes on sword since he won't be using it anymore

>>161497004
>Weakest being ever is more dangerous than all the strong enemies so far
I loved this

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>>161496749
>Technique gets a long explanation of this cool thing that it's supposed to do
>It never does what it's supposed to do

>Characters get a brief upgrade with "you die at the end of this" as a consequence
>Expect the bad guy to get creamed by it immediately and the heroes end up being unaffected
>Bad guy just straight up fucking stays out of their reach and wait for them to blow themselves out
>Characters actually fucking die without having done anything to the bad guy because the bad guy played it smart

Holy shit Crocodile I love you so much
>

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>>161498117
But it hit once

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>MC talentless, mediocre, boring shit
>Actually bad personality
>Hot chicks want to fuck him for some reason
>Multiple seasons watching retarded hot chicks fall over themselves to win the affection of MC (while denying any feelings)
>You know exactly who wins from p much episode 1
End me

>>161498914
>p much
Go back to Facebook.

>>161482403
Gon is a piece of shit who deserves to lose all his powers and be written out of the story for murdering the best girl.

>>161498914
>You know exactly who wins from p much episode 1

But Sena dominated the popularity polls so they were forced to make the ending ambiguous.

>>161482403
>Hating on a quintessential shonen trope

>>161482548
>OH WOW WE SPENT XX CHAPTERS ON YOU LEARNING IT. NOW WE GONNA SPEND XXX CHAPTERS FOR STH ELSE

Autists!

>Now im mad!
>fights better

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>>161486746

>>161482403
>character goes back and forth between beta and alpha

>character is supposed to be really smart
>this is shown by him figuring out his opponent's plans seconds after they have been shown to the audience

>>161498309
When did this happen? I need to read Alabasta again

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>Hero-kun is a beta faggot with literally zero knowledge on combat in any regard beyond playing video games sometimes
>Give him a magical enchanted sword and he's suddenly a fucking combat god and knows precisely how to swing the sword more effectively than any combatant he will ever fight again

>MC-kun has love interest placed in "Peril"
>We as an audience are ever expected to believe in this fake tension when it's more than obvious that the MC will rescue her regardless

>Huge cast of very interesting villains with lots of varied abilities, motives, etc.
>The MC shreds through them like they are warm butter, mocks them, and they are entirely forgotten by the mangaka/studio

>Extremely interesting design on a character who has a distinguished way of carrying themselves, or their interaction with multiple members of the cast is unique to the rest of the series
>They are killed off Volume 2/Episode 3, never seen again, and in fact wind up getting multiple references to how their interaction with the rest of the cast changed X, Y, or Z, and it's a shame they died

>>161500074

>>161486746
Most of Twin Star Exorcist

>>161482403
>don't invest your 100% to assure total defeat of your opponent
>then go "hooo, it seems like I'm going to need to take it seriously now"

Just do the shit quickly, ruthlessly and effectively, and most important - silently.
Silent fights are best.

>>161501745
You must love one punch man

>>161482403
>inconsequential
>gon has been removed from the series entirely
>if he comes back he has to completely relearn nen from the beginning

also this fight (more like a beatdown) was awesome so fuck you

>>161482977
On the topic of naruto
>side characters that work harder, develop greater skills, and are more kind
>COUGH killa bee rock lee COUGH

>>161497466
Kumagawa is the pinnacle of Shounen.
Zenkichi is fine too.

>>161482403
that one

>>161482923
>>161482403
>meanwhile Kurapika is coasting on something as vague as hours of his life

If all Gon needs to be relevant again is a fucking training montage then losing his nen is about as "consequential" as Ichigo losing his shinigami powers.

>>161501868
Sure I do.
But you know like in western action movies or even in cartoons heroes often fight silently?
I wonder why it's so rare in anime, are nips that weak that needing to take a break in the middle of the fight is that deeply engraved into their culture?
Just fuck each other up Christ, it's not like you have breath to spare.

>>161504482
And calling the names of your moves outta loud is just dumb if there's no reason like "well its kinda of a sacrifice so it can make my nen stronger". You are telling to your enemy what you will do, how you will do it and giving him time to counterattack it.

>>161504914
>And calling the names of your moves outta loud
>kendo
>karate
I guess it's a cultural thing.

>>161500459

A few chapters before Luffy vs. Croc round two

>>161500064
RIP 3/4THS OF HAREM
Tsugomomo would be a lot better if the author could keep his dick off the pages. Scratch that, im not giving up tjat juicy fanservice for nothing

>>161482403
>main characters power is anti/reflect power
The pinnacle of lazy bullshit, and I hope a piece gets published in nipland condeming all hack authors who use this

Children with advanced telekinesis or psychological powers who are 1 IQ above retardation.

We see this in Akira and even Stranger Things. Like if anyone had those abilities they should automatically have increased cognitive functions NO MATTER THE AGE. The whole "powerful bit stupid/emotionally inept" concept is stupid.

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>>161482608
shit, this is actually the best ive ever heard it put

>>161506098
Why? It's not as if the brain was just one big junk of thinking material, it has areas that specialize differently

>>161499259
And you knew that Sean was gonna be the one to win from episode 1

>>161488670
Fuck you, Might Guy clapped that nigger

>>161482403
Same here

>>161498914
>Hot chicks want to fuck him for some reason
To be fair, they all have brain problems.

>>161498914
>church loli a shit
>scientist a shit
>best friend a mediocre
>reserve trap a shit
>vampire incest loli a shit
Sena was clearly the logical choice

>>161500064
>>161505708
Daaamn, Tsugumomo looks like THAT? the artwork is fucking beautiful. Is this thing worth reading?

I find that training most the time makes absolute no sense. Majority of the time they have the characters do complete bullshit tasks and then randomly the characters just learn how to do their special move as if any of the mundane chores and random push ups actually taught them something.

>>161506098

Stranger Things I can see where you are coming from but as for Akira that was pretty much the point.

>>161482403
MC is the chosen one.

>>161483513
>RUN AWAY AS FAST AS I CAN

>>161487798
iirc Gunslinger Girl and Chrono Crusade also use it. Haven't read/watched either though.

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>>161482548
>character obtains a end-all OP ass skill
>he haven't mastered it fully and it backfires on him
>never get to use it to its full potential ever again until the end of the series

>>161487798
Archer's arm in F/SN Heaven's Feel has you actively see it fuck up Shirou.

>>161483050
That's actually kind of fucking awesome.

>>161496194
>>161497186
Watch as this shit is completely retconned in the upcoming Hokkaido Arc.

>characters learn ancient powerful abilities
>it all just boils down to punching

>>161510418
main series is finished everything that is made after is fanfiction

like DBS, Baruto, Flowers, Law of Ueki Plus, etc.

>>161510535
you're already dead

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>>161500521
>They are killed off Volume 2/Episode 3, never seen again, and in fact wind up getting multiple references to how their interaction with the rest of the cast changed X, Y, or Z, and it's a shame they died
his character had so much more potential

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>>161488637
Not the MC, though.
Context here is the not-MC (Saya) insists on only using her boobs to fight because she wants to become the best player using only the Iaido techniques passed to her by her deceased mom, decided that she should become strong and self-reliant since she was little, but only using her boobs is going to shorten her career, so MC and company try to develop techniques she could use to prevent that, also at the expense of their training time. Not-MC eventually has to be defended by the MC who finally convinces her to rely on her friends, and says that everyone's help is necessary to overcome the group of top players, and that includes non-MC's.

>>161506098
You don't get magic mind powers if you hit a certain arbitrary number of IQ points dumbass.

>>161507723
I mean it has awesome fights but it also has awesome ecchi.

>>161510535
I actually like this one. It has no rights of being so fucking good, and I still love it every single time, especially when it directly follows both characters having just used their single most powerful technique or something like that.

>>161504157
makes me respect FMAB's ending more

at least Ed outright got rid of his alchemy abilities

>>161510617
>made by the original author
>fanfiction

Yeah well, nice headcanon. It's okay if you don't want to accept it as part of your PERSONAL canon, but Kenshin sequel is going to be 100% canon like it or not.

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>>161488637
Not an MC (again >>161510655), this time she doesn't even see the technique, just hears the description of the training (which is "to find a way to pull the turnips without breaking them").

>character dies
>lol just kidding they're completely fine or revived through some random bullshit
Seriously why can't they just kill people off it would add so much more to the story

>>161511494
Nah it would probably remove more than it adds. Having a character whose arc is a great asset to the narrative and kill them off for "maturity points" does not a good series makes.

Though saying they are killing a character off just to go "jk guiz xD" is cheap as all hell.

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>oh no, the enemy is back and stronger than ever!
>i've already used up all my power! this is it, we're all fucked, it's over!
>b-b-b-b-b-b-but I've gotta win!

>>161502130
>he has to completely relearn nen from the beginning
MONTAGE IT

>Character erases their own memory as part of their plan

>>161511695
Yeah that's what I mean, the amount of times I've seen a character die in an anime just to come back is ridiculous.

To be fair though one of the few times a character did really die it made me drop the show

>>161511874
TL Note: Keikaku means plan

>>161512102
you mean this one >>161500064 because that happened to me

>>161512113
>>161511874
Despite all the memes, that scene was awesome.

>>161483994
The idea is awesome, it was the writers failing to make Inaho intelligent and instead they dumbed everyone

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>>161501745
Can't do that against good enough contenders, though.

Easily the worst trope is "villain gets the shit beat out of them easily, hero goes completely unscathed." This only works maybe 1 time out of 100. The only example of it not being horrible that I can think of is Wapol vs. Luffy.

>>161487559
>Gets traumatized by having to mercy kill your homoerotic friend
>After that get depressed and refuse to fight for humanity
How come Homura gets a free pass but everyone shits on Shinji?

>>161482548
>joke/comic relief character gets serious
>is actually a badass, either in strength or strategy/maturity

>>161509771
This one is top-tier.

>>161488181
That's the case in real life too, some of the greatest fighters are barely functioning retards who've had their face punched too much.

>>161512364
That's actually cool, though.

>>161512353
It's okay when cute lesbians do it, even if their characterization is borderline nonexistent. If you're a male character, though, good fucking luck.

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>>161483729
>working hard was never core to Naruto's character
Now, while this is true, you're missing a point. In the Neji vs Naruto fight, the main theme of the fight and a lot of the arc was the concept of changing your destiny. Neji believed everything was set in stone and Naruto argued against these beliefs.

The point was, Naruto was supposed to be shafted by having Kurama sealed inside him, and he was. For a long time it fucked him over, and eventually he allied with him which was fine. But Before all that there was the 4th hokage father reveal and also all the ninja Jesus stuff to come later. Naruto was destined for greatness, sure he had to work hard, but Neji was right all along.

>MC who had beaten almost all his enemies easily fights first big famous enemy
>gets utterly defeated for the first time, 150+ chapters in

Alabasta was the casual filter of the red line.

>>161512541
I agree, I was quoting an anon who was posting cool tropes.

>>161512301
nah that's the best trope
especially if you want the villain to get a well-deserved ass-whooping

fucking loved Goku vs Nappa and Luffy vs Belmy

>>161512735
oh and Munsu vs Aji-tae

>tournament arc
>one of the tests requires strategy/creativity/hability to pass
>MC's rivals doing all sorts of cool shit
>MC passes by doing simple bullshit like not answering the test at all

>>161512598
Smoker was good preparation for bullshit Logia abilities

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>>161482548
>determination to win and not be the team's weakest member/deadweight is actually detrimental to the team

>>161512353
Even if there is similarities your greentext isn't one of them. Homura did nothing but trying to save her friends and the city over and over and over and over.

>>161487197
basically all of BHA

>>161483994
>>161512228
Is he just a shittier L-Elf?

>>161499259
Doesn't the boy(girl) win?

>>161482403
>this power uses his life force

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>>161482548
MC wins a fight by tricking his enemies into fighting each other (or an underling to turn against his/her boss)

>>161510938
ignore him. Autists here think they can dictate what is and is not canon and you can never convince them otherwise. They literally make up their own world and live in it via delusion.

>>161482403
>most hated trope

faggots making this thread, of course.

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>>161482403
>the character you really hate somehow gets redeemed by the story
>you hate him even more now
>hero never trains or puts in effort and for some reason believes he should just get everything handed to him

>>161507732
Yes seriously this.

How is doing push ups and cross fit for only 2 weeks going to do anything.
Hell even doing cross fit or any body workout for that matter no matter how good isn't going to make any huge differences until the first month, the power boost these mc' s go from by starting with light jogging into teleporting behind people 13 meters away is just weak.
One punch man gets away with this.

Naruto had some neat ideas though. Like creating a hundred clones and trying to cut a waterfall in half. Doing illusion training by creating thought loops and puzzles hard coded into the mind to trick mind invaders/ psychics.

>>161510658
Yes except vice versa. You basically open you're entire brain's potential meaning you should be smarter.

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>>161512592
But Its objectively true that neji would have trained three times as hard as naruto. Naruto just had a birth right, blessed with god juice and only started training the last minute. Neji was raised and trained among one of the best fighter clans using successful ancient techniques that he burned into his memory to use.

But suddenly because Naruto is the under dog he's labeled the one who also "worked hard" for his strength? What the fuck is this. Think this through, naji you trained his whole life vs Naruto that had his villages secret service raise him and never taught him shit, but with a magic demon inside of him he could just outlast everyone by not even using his own energy?

He isn't even smart or tactical. He just has more resources/chakra to burn. He uses a skill that is supposed to divide your entire chakra by how many clones you make and Naruto is known for making literally hundreds at a time, he never had to rely on his own power.

Naruto is a Mary sue. Plain and simple. Naruto spent maybe 6 months working towards being an actual fighter compared to neji who spent his whole life. It's bullshit to even imply Naruto worked harder in anyway.

>>161510535
Which is why JoJo is so great, random weird powers instead of energy or elemental shit. Mostly.

>>161514532
That...that's not how the mind works.
That's fucking never been how the mind works.
The super intelligent polymath is a fucking myth.

>>161482403
>battle
>strength progression isn't real
How about you hit the gym?

>>161514532
You can't write up your own rules for how super powers work. Especially If it isn't your universe.

Psychic powers can be triggered or used by any in-universe means. What makes you think they should all follow the same style of "super smart brain matter"

>>161514515
For the same reason doing pushups for six months is going to make you into a fucking ninja god.

Training isn't just about reaching physical peak. It's about learning things and having those things become a part of who you are and
how you train and applying it to upcoming trials.

If you simply train and wait until you're physically peak with no real goal beyond just becoming stronager before you can do anything then you'll never accomplish shit.

Anyone can just train hard and get stronger. Training hard, consistency, being rewarded for your efforts, and getting noticably better is what those training missions are all about.


PS
You really underestimate what you can physically and mentally accomplish with just 2 weeks of hard focused training and effort.

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>For the same reason doing pushups for six months is going to make you into a fucking ninja god.
Explain how this makes sense

>Training isn't just about reaching physical peak. It's about learning things and having those things become a part of who you are and how you train and applying it to upcoming trials.
Cross fit isn't teaching you shit and it won't put you at the peak in anything. It's basic routine for keeping in shape.

>If you simply train and wait until you're physically peak with no real goal beyond just becoming stronager before you can do anything then you'll never accomplish shit.
Can you reword this. All I can understand from this is "even if you reach your 'peak you still haven't accomplished anything"

>Anyone can just train hard and get stronger. Training hard, consistency, being rewarded for your efforts, and getting noticably better is what those training missions are all about.
That still doesn't explain how doing light physical exercise for a short amount of time can bring an edge over someone who is also working out.
>PS
>You really underestimate what you can physically and mentally accomplish with just 2 weeks of hard focused training and effort.
No I think you are just naive. Give me an example of someone going above and beyond his physical and "mental" limits (whatever the fuck that means) within two weeks.
Physical limits are vague but I'm sure you understand an obese man who hasn't seen a pair of running shoes since high school couldn't run a mile in 10 minutes even within 2 weeks.

>>161508897
>NIGERUNDAYO!!!

>>161515296
>Explain how this makes sense
I'm saying timeframe doesn't make effort more useful then directed effort.
Six months of basic exercise does not trump three months of training.
Understand.

>Cross fit isn't teaching you shit and it won't put you at the peak in anything. It's basic routine for keeping in shape.
...bitch
Exercise is not fucking training. It's just fucking exercise. It has nothing to do with actual training itself.

>Can you reword this. All I can understand from this is "even if you reach your 'peak you still haven't accomplished anything"
I'm saying that training simply to reach some physical peak with no goal in mind is pointless masturbation. It's nice but it's meaningless unless applied well. Hell it can even be dangerous if you don't know what you're doing and know the natural limits of the human body or can understand or ignore the danger signals your body is sending you.

>>161515767

>That still doesn't explain how doing light physical exercise for a short amount of time can bring an edge over someone who is also working out.
You see, people honestly do not know what they can accomplish if they just push themselves.
It's quite amazing.
Problem is that they have no idea of where to start or how to start.
That's where SECRET SPECIAL TRAINING comes in.
It's a way to focus their efforts in a special way that will yield special results.
I'm not saying that you can get away with having piss poor conditioning and being out of shape. Being in better shape then the other person is always(with a few exceptions)a great idea.

>No I think you are just naive. Give me an example of someone going above and beyond his physical and "mental" limits (whatever the fuck that means) within two weeks.
Me. I could lift more and run faster and longer after a few weeks of hard back breaking effort.
That difference showed up in games, when I took my shirt off, and in the bedroom.

>Physical limits are vague but I'm sure you understand an obese man who hasn't seen a pair of running shoes since high school couldn't run a mile in 10 minutes even within 2 weeks.
No, physical limits are not vague they are almost always contextual.
As for 10 minutes in 2 weeks? Of course not.
But you can become far faster, gain more endurance, and gain more strength then you had before if you dedicate 2 weeks to it.
That's a fact.

>Series is in a western fantasy setting
>MC is a neet otaku, but is transported/reincarnated into fantasy world
>MC uses his video game knowledge and skills to beat everyone
>MC uses video game HUD analysis other characters abilities and power levels
>blatantly puts everything in video game terms

>>161486654
this, unironically

>>161516267
I only hate this trope when the fucking isekai is a damn RPG based shit. But I'd like to see this applied to a non-game based isekai series with the MC actually doing this,then fail miserably

>>161482403
>mc's power is just and all around stat boost
uncreative hacks

>>161483066
>bacon shortens your life by 9 minutes

whens the anime

>>161486746
E7 climax, the bad guy is already dead so it counts.

>>161487559
>caring about humanity
lmao

>>161517895
Talking about humanity, there is a cliche with that too.

>MC can receive a fucking enormous powerup, becoming a vampire, some shit like that, would be an immortal murderfucking OP bastard that would crush their enemies to dust
>Don't wanna to because "he would lose his humanity".

>>161518057
It really depends on the extent to which "losing your humanity" matters.

>>161489134
What is gear 2nd?

Why does Hannewaka get uglier and why do her tits shrink throughout the series?

>>161482548
It's impressive how sparingly Kishimoto wrote Lee to use his gates shit in Naruto despite it being an I Win button in all his fights. In most shounen that would just be his new state forever.

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>everyone has a bunch of different and interesting powers
>except the MC who's power is that he punches really hard

>>161512922

But that was like 'a given outcome'. AM can use 100% all the time, the only difference was 'body not ready'. But why wasn't there some AM 'injures himself' aspect considering he was also quirkless. Like why don't other peoples quirks hurt them? Explosions, ice/fire damage, acid, it's just contrivance to allow the MC to not one shot everything at the start and artificially struggle. He will eventually reach and surpass AM's 100% (or 1000%) and stop doing damage to himself.

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>>161482502
That doesn't even matter since he already accomplished what he set out to do in the first place. Gon losing his powers is just a convenient way to exclude him from the DC arc.

>>161518146
>"I win" button
The first time he used it, he lost

>>161513410

What's worse is that 9/10 times the little faggot is redeemed for literally no reason at all other than plot

>>161510535
Fucking Saint Seiya

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>>161482403
>secondary or tertiary character receives build up leading into a "high stakes" arc
>all this solely so they can die, having an overly long or highly emotional death scene
>author thinks that this will somehow distract from the plot armor of the main characters, and expects you to treat the story as if it has real dramatic stakes

>>161482403
Power escalation. It's one of my biggest gripes, it's sometimes feels like its always about pure physical force with every new enemy being stronger than the last so they have to power up or unlock some amazing new technique to win.

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>>161518210
>and also extra durable
>can survive vacuum
>run on water's surface
>dig through solid soil

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>series starts with normalish attacks
>by the end of the series the attacks resemble more of an existential concept than actual physical combat

>>161518146
Fuck off. What's impressive is how Lee normal weight-free woudl have been enough to wreck half of the series's ninjas but somehow lost to a faggot whose sand armor would've depleted his chakra in 5 minutes.

>>161482403
>side character trains hard for years to achieve a high level of power or ability
>main character learns ability right away and surpasses side character in three days from unremarkable training

>main character must always be right so the series is full of coincidences and deus ex machinas to allow the main character to win

>>161521746
Fucking JoJo

>>161498914
But the trap won (at least for a couple chapters). Sena becaume Yozora's yuri slave

>>161518210
I like that trope desu. Usually means the main character is at a disadvantage and has to work harder than the others or get creative during battle.

>>161521566
This gets to me every fucking time.
And it isn't even contained within anime, trash like walking dead does this trope all the time.

>character makes any sort of noise or talks about himself
>this upsets the gods of the universe who deemed the mc is meant to be the only interesting character and so they must murder him to maintain the balance.

>>161522145
>he needs to work harder
>believing this bullshit again

The mc isn't working harder, the plot just demands that he is stronger despite being at a clear disadvantage. It's just bad plot armor.

Give an example of when the mc actually worked harder. And I don't think he's "working harder" if all he has is a bloody lip but clearly came out the winner against a guy that can move boulders or can shit lightning out his dick

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>>161496927
What a shit show.

I liked it.

>character has nen that is rubber

>>161523151
No anon, it's both rubber and gum.
>OH MY RUBBER NEN

>>161521910
Lee actually isn't impressive at all. He trained like hell and had a year of experience over the other genin, which was why he was seemed so strong but it was established from day 1 that he was utter trash at being a ninja. Taijutsu was the thing he sucked at least so it's what he doubled down on.

>>161482403
O

>>161518391
Other quirks have drawbacks too. Uraraka loses her lunch, Kaminari turns into a retard, Tododoki freezes himself, Bakugo is a cunt...

>>161523255
If he's fast enough to almost-teleport like in DBZ and strong enough to break bones, then he's god-like in a setting where a dork using brass knuckles is a renowned badass.
Same reasoning for Dosu and his unbeatable sound technique. Kishimoto is just hack who wanted the story to be about ninja wizards.

> Character learns a powerful skill
> Uses it maybe once for the duration of the series

USE THE SPIRIT WAVE YUSUKE

>>161496194
>hating this trope
This is a thread for bad tropes, not god tier ones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9eqVWn59SQ

How will I ever beat this bad guy he's too strong!
>Power up to super saiyan

How will I ever best this bad guy he's too strong
>Power up to Super saiyan 2

How will I ever beat this bad guy he's too strong!
>Power up to super saiyan 3

How will I ever best this bad guy he's too strong
>Power up to Super saiyan 10

How will I ever beat this bad guy he's too strong!
>Power up to fusion super saiyan

How will I ever best this bad guy he's too strong
>Power up to Super saiyan hyper mega global saiyan

How will I ever beat this bad guy he's too strong!
>Power up to super saiyan god super saiyan with red hair

How will I ever best this bad guy he's too strong
>Power up to Super saiyan but with blue hair this time

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>MC is above 16 years old and is still a beta bitch

Not even a trope I just fucking hate that shit

Characters who are hyped up as strong only to get chumped immediately.

>>161525890
Kengan Ashura is practically a textbook manual about jobbing.

>>161525114
Super was a mistake. GT was a mistake. Z was a mistake.

>>161526272
Well everyone is strong there and some even get to stick around.

>>161496242
That's kinda the point.

It's like OPM but with asspulls instead of punches.

>>161488181
It's funny how it's the opposite with some MCs of normal intelligence being retards at combat.

>>161527472
Remember that mysterious arab dude with super speed ? Jobbed to fucking bodyguard. Remember Meguro ? Jobbed as soon as Mutaba went serious. It's a great series but goddamn I wouldn't mind longer fights.
And most of all longer chapters because waiting so much for 20 pages is maddening.

>>161529181
Rikiho and Sekibayashi got to come back, Adam still hanging around, Even that funny nigger gets to tag along. There's also that cheating slob and the arab and whatever their plan is, lot of old losers still hanging around.

>>161529412
Forgot they were brought back. You're right, but translations can't come soon enough.

>>161517592
Guess I'm living a short life.

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