Would his character arc have been better if we saw him returning

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>>161337063
I never got why people hated Andrew in the first place. The second OVA had the witches interacting with normal villagers, so why couldn't the TV series do that?

>>161337063
>pianist
While it was him dream, Andrew has a higher calling. I mean, he could go the selfish route and indulge in what he wants to do. However, Andrew has a much higher calling. He is in a position to not only help people, but to bridge the gap between the political world and the magical world.

>>161337732
He was taking away screentime from the little witches, his character was overlapping with Diana's despite her being much more interesting.

>>161337732
While there are a few legitimate criticisms of his character, the biggest one is that he gets in the way of Diana x Akko from happening. People don't like the fact that Akko was, gag or not, attracted to him. Episode 10 was probably the biggest roadblock to the /u/ ship from sailing; it showed that she was interested in guys.

>>161337889
Nah, it wasn't that Akko showed interest in guys. It's that in episodes 6 and 10 there were hints that might have gotten a larger role than Diana in the story.

>>161337732
Andrew isn't exactly a "normal villager".

>>161337899
>He was taking away screentime from the little witches
Fair enough. Although, the second cour took away a lot of time from the most of the little witches, regardless of Andrew being involved.
>his character was overlapping with Diana's
They served two distinct purposes. The only thing that they had in common was that they were born to a noble family. Andrew had a much different purpose than Diana.

>>161337957
I wish Andrew had a larger role in the story. This would have provided much more development for the political side of things, which would in turn help out Croix's plan tremendously.

>>161338084
That couldn't have been done without either making him and his father the same character (make him 26 or something), giving him some of Diana's scenes, or making him Akko's love interest. Only the first isn't a terrible choice.

>>161338084
Just merge his character with Louis, make him a bit more antagonic.
Episode 10 would have him befriending Akko, but still lotahing witches.
Episode 17 would have been the point where he changes his opinion on witches after Amanda and Akko save him and he openly confronts his father.
Then during the missile crisis his father calls for him for advice when they discover the witches involvement.

>>161338168
>him and his father the same character
This, make his father have recently retired, and he's still struggling to get a hold of what he is supposed to do in his new position.

>>161337063
He would have been a better character had he not existed. The staff already admitted that they shoehorned him in just because and then had no idea what the fuck to do wit him. It's not even about the yurishit, he's just a complete waste of time and space in all aspects.

>>161338168
>That couldn't have been done without either making him and his father the same character
I still it could have been accomplished without any of those things. All it would take is actual discussion about the political conditions of the two countries. Instead, all we got was a soccer game.

>>161338306
>The staff already admitted that they shoehorned him in just because and then had no idea what the fuck to do wit him.
That's what happens when you completely change the role and direction of a character after the first cour.

>>161338251
Oh, that could work. I think episode 10 might be a little too late to introduce him though. It was good to get the muggle side of the story early on.

>>161338306
Wasn't it the other way around? Where they had a plan for him from the start, but then halfway through decided to drop it so his existence just became pointless?

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>>161338343
I think Yoshinari just got carried away and tried to tell too many stories at the same time. A love story between Akko and Andrew was possible, but it would just take too much screentime to make it work, but they had to fit the stuff about Shiny Chariot, Diana's backstory, Croix and her plan. And in the end Andrew and Akko's arc was the most easy to remove.

>>161338570
Pretty much. Yoshi asked Shimada to make a male character. She made Andrew and had a fantastic story line laid out. Yoshi liked it and wanted to go forward with it, however the other staff members disagreed. Producer-san won out and Andrew's character was completely changed for the second cour.

>>161338741
>I think Yoshinari just got carried away and tried to tell too many stories at the same time.
That's exactly what happened. Poor Yoshi, he has so much to tell yet so little time.
>but it would just take too much screentime to make it work
I don't think it would have taken that much time to develop. The stage was already set, all that needed to be done was some execution. While there is a pretty decent argument to make about whether or not romance has a place in LWA, I do think the writers could have made it work. I think Shimada could have made it work.

>>161338991
It would have taken spotlight from more important things like Akko's relationships to Chariot and Diana.

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>>161337063
It would have been better if traditionalist relationships didn't scare the average num/a/le to the point where they have to resort to picturing themselves as the woman in the relationship and self-insert into yuri fantasies with Akko.

>>161338766
How do you know it was better than what we got? Episode 10 wasn't any better than 18 or 20.

>>161338766
>had a fantastic story line
How do you know it was "fantastic"? From everything we have gathered from interviews and panels, it was going to change the core of what LWA is and turning it into a Disney-like shoujofest
Granted, they messed it up in the reworking of the plot, but it's not that the original idea was what the staff desired..

>>161339108
>It would have taken spotlight
I mean, that's the fear. The last thing you want is for romance to take over a series that isn't about romance. However, a good writer is able to avoid this problem; they are able to write around romance.
>>161339139
Of course there's no way know how the story would have turned out.
>Episode 10 wasn't any better than 18 or 20.
Episode 18 was ruined by Croix and 20 was dampened by the other Disney villain.

>>161339245
Episode 10 was dampened by Andrew's one dimensional dad. Your point?

>>161339169
>it was going to change the core of what LWA is and turning it into a Disney-like shoujofest
Good writers are able to prevent things like this. Although, maybe they knew deep down that they were bad writers.
>what the staff desired..
Right, but it's what Yoshi wanted after seeing Shimada's creation. The director needs to have a little more backbone when it comes to the series that he loves.

Andrew's relationship with Akko couldn't be more important than Akko's relationship with Chariot and Diana. Romance would've made this impossible.

>>161339305
>Andrew's one dimensional dad.
He isn't one dimensional. While we never did get to learn why Paul was against magic, we did see that he had goals. He wanted, more than anything, for his son to succeed later on in life. For that, he was willing to make sacrifices early on in Andrew's life for that to happen. You can argue whether or not that was a good thing, but still.

>>161339417
>Akko couldn't be more important than Akko's relationship with Chariot
I agree. Chariot was one of Akko's major inspirations throughout the entire season. It'd be silly if Andrew eclipsed that.
>and Diana
I disagree.

>>161339118
This is cute, I love the size difference between the two. Anyway, I'm going out with friends, I'll respond to the rest of the posts when I get back home. Hopefully the thread survives until then.

>>161339502
Why? Akko and Diana relationship and contrast are literally the thematic core of LWA. Diana might be the most relevant character regarding LWA's main inspiration.

>>161339598
Stream threads in less than 8 hours, though.

>>161339502
>I disagree
And I disagree with your disagreement. Chariot was the reason Akko and Diana's relationship even exist. Andrew's relationship would have eclipsed even that.

>>161337732
Yea the 2nd OVA was shit.

>Diana never asked how Akko and Andrew had became acquitances.
I'd have liked to see what her opinion on them being friendly with each other was.

FFS Diana is not a love interest, she's just a friend. None of the girls are lesbians in any way shape or form. The reason Trigger did a 180 on Andrew was because Otakus were melting down because a guy talked to their waifu. That is all, it doesn't have jack shit to do with yuri or anything like that going by their 4chan and twitter replies.

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>>161339987
>The reason Trigger did a 180 on Andrew was because Otakus were melting down because a guy talked to their waifu.

The reason Trigger did a 180 on Andrew is because they weren't confident enough into being able to write it as subplot. Some think it is impossible to do so, but I think it is very possible. I'm glad they decided not to in the end because Trigger loves Little Witch Academia so much it is clear they will do more of it eventually, and relationship bullshit would just drag down further adventures. Even if I think Andrew ending with Akko has a lot of cute potential.

>>161339987
>FFS Diana is not a love interest, she's just a friend.

I was >>161339845 and I was strictly speaking about friendship there.

>>161337732
>The second OVA had the witches interacting with normal villagers
That's literally one of the reasons why the second OVA is so reviled.

>>161337063
Maybe in the next movie.

I'm an Andrew/Akko supporter and even though the whole staff changes about the writing gives me a fishy impression, I do agree a romantic subplot would have overshadowed the whole series and the aspect of Shiny Chariot/Diana and Akko's background.

I do think there's some lacking in Andrew's character being placed as a the delivery hat boy in the end. But didn't Sucy and Lotte suffered in a similar way?

But anyways, I do think he still has the potential for being a good character in the future and his friendship with Akko was genuine. He seemed to have gotten used to her antics so I wouldn't mind more shenanigans together.

But what I consider absolutely silly is people shitting on him, especially male fans. It's sort of contradicting.

>>161343930
More Andrew would've at least been better than literally anything involving Croix

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2nd streaming is going live soon!

I wonder if we'll get to see Diana in action...

>>161337063
>it's a straight romance bait : the show
Fucking yurfags need to be purged.

>>161337732
It's just yurifags and shippers who hate him.
Personally I enjoyed him. Good character, and I think he and Akko shared a good dynamic

>>161344110
Just so you guys now, nope. You have the wrong idea. Tomorrow's stream won't have Hidaka or Hikasa. It focuses on the background witches, including Hannah and Barbara. They're still saving Diana and Ursula. They're, however, revealing a new LWA project that involves all the viewers or something.

>>161343930
>>161344079
Imagine being this pathetically obsessed with keeping your trash thread alive.

>>161339980
Same. Only Andrew's friend ever inquired what was up with him and Akko

>>161344357
Most anything would've been better than than Croix

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>>161340637
>>161339916

People disliked the 2nd OVA? I thought it was great, albeit a bit cheesy at the end. Why the dislike for the 2nd OVA?

>>161344439
>People disliked the 2nd OVA?
How are you enjoying your first month on /a/?

>>161337063
I feel he was intended to be a much bigger character than he ended up being. He didn't even get much closure with Akko in the end, when if that's not what this anime is about.

That said, it's a pretty popular new series. What are the odds that it would get a second series or manga continuation?

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>>161344514
>it's a pretty popular new series
>popular
>new

>>161344471

No one complained about the OVAs when the show was airing.

Pathetically obsessed is also that anon hater lurking on this thread.

Plus, all 4chan's threads get deleted eventually so duh.

Niggers on this board hate the 2nd OVA because they are hipster garbage. Don't be fooled by the autism of this fandom.

>>161345305
This. LWA got too popular so they give it the hipster treatment.

The general consensus when the 2nd OVA was released went something like "slightly underwhelming but true to the predecessor"

Just because shipperfags want to rewrite history now doesn't mean people didn't love most of the new characters, and still do.

>>161345137
The fist OVA is loved by just about all.

Enchanted Parade is berated on just about every occasion it's been brought up, since it came out.

The previous Anon is right. You clearly must be new.

>>161345454
Why? Because it had icky boys? That's so petty yurifag.

>>161345454
>>161345480
EP did nothing with the new characters they introduced.

>>161345426
The green team was the best thing to come out from EP, I'm sad more stuff from it was not included in the anime, like the Shiny Rod giving power to other wands, it'd have made adventuring more fun.

>>161345480
What the hell are you even on about, Anonymous?

People mostly hated it because of the dumb drama, and because Akko was an annoying little shit for the majority of it.

>>161345496
They were equally relevant to the plot as Sucy/Lotte and other minor characters in the first OVA.
What do you expect to happen in 40 minutes?

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>>161345533
Amanda showing the other little witches how to explore their sexuality culminating in a huge orgy for the climax of the film.

>>161337063

Get a Boyfriend, Woman.

Andrew posters should be banned

Andrew got shafted hard. Trigger went full kyoani on this one.

>>161346522
At least he isn't shoeichi.

>>161337063
Best character in the show.

>>161345587
>>>/tumblr/

>>161347965
>best charcter
>when fucking chum lee exists

>>161345305
Well, fuck me then for having an opinion.

>>161337732
I don't hate him as much as I'm disappointed w/ him. He's basically useless in the whole story. I don't want to admit it, but he really was a shoehorn.

>>161338766
Yeah, it's not like it was possible that Yoh changed his mind when he was suggested another option. We literally have no clue on what really happened so assumptions are all we can do.

>>161339502
>>and Diana
>I disagree.
Regardless of shipping, Diana's relationship w/ Akko is more important than Andrew's relationship w/ Akko in terms of the whole plot.

>>161338306
>It's not even about the yurishit
You yurifags keep spouting this shit thinking people will fall for it but everyone knows better.

>>161344079
It's all about the execution. If TRIGGER writers were good, they would've made Croix a better villain the LWA TV deserved.

>>161345480
Did you even watch EP?

>>161344514
1 0 M O R E Y E A R S

>>161346522
Not as hard as Sucy and Lotte.

>>161348211
Yeah I did. What's wrong with what I said?

>>161348166
Yes, because Andrew was so significant to the plot. Andrew was mishandled because, TRIGGER being TRIGGER, just changed his role halfway through. If they had had any competence, they would've rewritten his character from the start.

>>161348246
>Not as hard as Sucy and Lotte.
This was why I dropped the show, I felt that LWA was always about the main trio trying to prove to themselves, I liked Diana when she wasn't the main focus. Akko, Sucy and Lotte are the true stars of the anime

>>161348137
If Yoshi changed his mind, it would have been Shimada vs. literally everyone else. There's no way Shimada wins any concessions in this case. It's much different when you have the director on your side.

>>161348282
The only good thing about EP was B-Team and the animation. The boys weren't really that of a problem; although, the conflict was too black&white in the beinning which was still forgivable because LA wasn't really deep. Akko's drama was horrendously handled and what dragged it to mediocre territory.

>>161339362
>Good writers
This is trigger we're talking about it was going to hamfisted shit

I've been in the LWA threads even since Enchanted Parade's production. And I still don't understand the people that keep saying it was "the worst" of all the installments.


I mean, the only thing I can agree with the general consensus is that Akko was a royal bitch in it and that Jasminka barely did anything in it (as usual).But other than that I see no issues with it.

>>161348399
It's subjective. While I consider TV a larger disappointment, EP enraged me and I found it hard to enjoy because of Akko.

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>>161348384
Sometimes people can surprise you, anon. Maybe they felt like living up to the role as the heroes of the industry.

On a side note, this was drawn today. Andrew is great.

>>161348399
It would have been better if it was movie length and expanded on Akko Lotte and Sucy break up, its better then the tv show at least

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>>161348450
Oh, it wasn't drawn today, my mistake. It's still good art.
>>161348452
>expanded on Akko Lotte and Sucy
I feel like they have made the same mistake time and time again. I'm sure they'll learn this time around.

>>161348299
>main trio trying to prove to themselves
Not really. While the trio's relationship is important, the only one really pushing to prove herself is Akko. The other two are just basically dragged by her self-absorbed nature for better or worse.

>>161337732
Funny enough, my biggest problem with Andrew is that it seemed like there was some internal tug-of-war over his character, so he ended up getting a fair amount of screentime but not enough for him to fully have an arc. He hovered in-between relevant and non-relevant and it felt weird as hell. The first half of the show feels like it's setting up this plot of the school trying to struggle against him and his dad to stop from being shut down, but that's dropped in the second half for Croix out of nowhere. At that point you're just wondering why he's even there.

I actually liked Andrew as a character, and I thought he had great chemistry with Akko. In fact my favorite Akko scene in the entire series is the one where she dances on the fountain in front of him and scolds him. It really sells Akko's character well and you can tell clear as day she's having a strong impact on him.

Who knows, maybe what we got was their intention all along, maybe there was some internal fighting over whether there should be a romance story or even male characters at all. In the end after having finished the series, I'll just call him your sadly-too-common "Wasted Potential" Character.

>>161339139
Episode 10 was one of if not the funniest episodes in the series. I'd rate it beside 8 as my top tier. I didn't really like the entire second half of the series though.

>>161348495
>The first half of the show feels like it's setting up this plot of the school trying to struggle against him and his dad to stop from being shut down
Exactly. I loved the idea of Andrew finally starting to rebel and think for himself after years of strict obedience. Every opinion that was formed was carefully guided along by the help of his father and peers. Akko was the first one to help Andrew break that conditioning; she showed him that there was more to life than just following orders. Episode 10 was a great example of Andrew disobeying his father for the greater good. That's the type of stuff that will make Andrew a great politician.

After not havin internet for like a week, i need to ask: Do we have the doujins and the trigger artbook?
Please don't dissapoint me.

>>161348605
Why don't you check the archives?

>>161348605
>doujins
Some of them are scanned, albeit poorly. If you want to see Akko x Faceless man, Akko x Sucy x Faceless man, or Akko x Diana, you're in luck. A few pages of some Andrew doujins have been posted, no scans.
>trigger artbook
There are a bunch of pictures floating around, some anon can probably link you to it.

>>161348637
>Akko x Diana
>scanned
Don't lie.

>>161348484
I wished the 2nd OVA was more about Lotte being the one who gets the most trouble from Akko and Sucy shit, the beginning was kinda like that. And have the movie be about Akko and Sucy getting along for the sake of Lotte

>>161348693
Oh, I guess. I didn't really pay much attention to it. Whatever the case, it is up for your viewing pleasure.

>>161348696
Never knew I wanted this.

>>161348187
I think that's a big point that people don't get. People say that a villain character has no place in LWA. While that could solve some of the problems, that wouldn't solve all of them. Croix, by herself, was fine. She could have been pretty decent. However, her execution was garbage, which brought down Ursula as well.

>>161348542
Nobody cares. Fuck off fagdrewwhale.

>>161348965
I always make the mistake of talking about Andrew in a thread specifically dedicator to Andrew as a character. My bad, anon. Anyways, my friend wants to go see the sun rise, I'll be back later, don't let the thread die. I know you want to see my responses, anon-kun.

>>161349011
Not that anon but here's your (you); I could care less about your andrewfagging you call discussion, but fuck off and blog somewhere else.

>>161345519
I feel like people forgave Akko way too quickly. She was such a cunt.

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>>161350228
Stream thread, get in here.

>>161350263
What's wrong with using this thread?

>>161350296
Not him but probably to disassociate from being a general. Specific threads for specific topics, I guess?

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His dad knows what's up.

>>161353061
You say that like you're not.

>>161352238
Paul seems like the type of guy that would cheat on his wife.

Maybe you should kill yourself. It's clear your parents wouldn't miss you at all.

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This was drawn today. Andrew is cute.

Your entire existence is wrong. Surely even you can tell that during the brief chats you have with your mom when you leave your room. When's the last time she smiled at you without tears in her eyes?

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I fell sorry for your mom. To give birth to such a worthless son, it must be devastating to her. This is why you detest Andrew. You see in him everything that your mother wanted in a son.

She's crying. She's crying right now. Wondering where her life went so wrong. Wondering what she could have done to raise you properly.

There's only one path to redemption. You must end your life. Only then will everyone be happy.

>>161348107
He was useless because he was neutered by the staff. I remember all of the speculation that went on during the series. He ended up holding hats. Tattun lied.

>>161355388
That's why there's drafting in the creastion process. If they decided to scrap his initial role, they should've rewritten his character from scratch instead of justleaving it in the show and not doing anything w/ it.
Heck, that's basically what everything's wrong w/ LWA TV as a whole. They just made things up as time went on instead of properly drafting and editing the script.

>>161355514
>If they decided to scrap his initial role, they should've rewritten his character from scratch instead of justleaving it in the show and not doing anything w/ it.
That's something I'll never understand. If the entire staff was against Andrew, why was episode 6/10 written? Shimada isn't powerful enough to go against the entire staff.

>>161355586
What would you like to discuss, anon? Andrew is a multi-faceted character, so there's always something someone wants to discuss. If you'd like, we could discuss Andrew's future in both S2 and the LWA universe.

>>161355849
I'm not sure I quite understand how Andrew relates to someone being attacked. Did he attack someone in the show? Do you think he would be abusive towards his future wife? Would his inner Paul come out when he is angry?

>>161355992
Again, it seems you avoided my question. No worries, we still have 366 posts until the bump limit. I don't understand how Andrew equates to an attack. Please explain. If we're talking about in the series, I could see him as representing the youth who are against magic. Although, maybe Louis would take that role.

>>161356152
Oh, I get where the problem lies. You see anon, Andrew doesn't actually exist. While I'm sure there are some people in real life that mirror Andrew, he's simply a character in a show. I myself do not self-insert as him, but there's definitely an appeal there. I wonder if Shimada wants to be like Andrew. That's a good discussion point if you'd like to continue.

>>161356354
How would posting Andrew upset someone? Andrew is a great character, I couldn't see him doing that in the show. He might need to reject a few proposals, that might make some girls sad.

>>161356497
So, if posting Andrew is not upsetting, why would someone post Andrew in an attempt to upset someone? That doesn't seem very practical. Andrew would be a very practical politician, I'd imagine he bring his country to greatness. He'd probably be the PM's most reliable adviser.

>>161356707
Oh, okay. I don't think posting Andrew is upsetting. Also, I doubt Andrew would ever commit suicide, he isn't the type of person to do something like that. He'd persevere. I could see someone like Sucy, but definitely not Andrew.

>>161357072
If Andrew isn't upsetting, and my goal is to upset people, why would I continue to post Andrew? Again, I strongly believe that Andrew isn't upsetting. Also, Andrew isn't obtuse. He wouldn't be able to get into the prestigious Appleton school otherwise. Although, that brings up a good question about admission. I wonder if they only allow rich people in.

This is supposed to be a LWA thread right?

>>161357337
Oh, okay. Thanks for the clarification. I really wonder if they will continue the political side of the story in S2. I think it would help the story tremendously if done right. However, the question is whether or not they would do it right.

>>161357414
Of course, anon. I'm trying to discuss Andrew with all of my heart. What would you like to discuss about him?

>>161357459
Frank is better.

>>161344439
those people have ridiculous bad taste

>>161357566
Which would you rather have as your politician? Frank would be that funny, down to earth guy that would go with the flow. You'd know him like you know your neighbor. However, I feel like Andrew would be the type of guy to do his best to make things right. He would fight for you every single day.

>>161357678
>made this thread for the sole purpose of trying to attack and harass people with Andrew.
How? He's barely relevant in the show.

>>161357072
The retard thinks he's only arguing with one person. Just ignore him.

>>161357716
>He's barely relevant in the show.
Poor Shimada.