Why can't japan animate this well ever? https://www.yo

They have no rhythm & a lot less budget.

>>160959035
The Japs excel at action and effects animation, not characters.

Because if they try to do that people complain about "forced animation".

>>160959035
Not even Americans can animate that well anymore, with everything being made as 3DCG or like some fucking Flash animations (see: new Ducktales)

>>160959035
>forced animation

>>160959035
Japan are known for making great use of limited animation. Western animation is constantly moving while japanese is more contemplative and emphasises on single moments.

>>160959549
How come we have so much new technology and so many cost and effort-cutting methods nowadays, but we can't produce things like OP posted anymore?

>>160959035
I hate musical
OP/ED and BGM are enough

>>160960344
>being too pleb for disney

>>160959944

the core of producing good hand-drawn animation hasn't gotten any easier. you still need skilled and experienced animators and lots and lots and lots of time to draw the actual movements

>>160959035
The movement is really smooth, but looking back there's basically no camerawork involved in this. It's just straight up eye level with static backgrounds and characters moving at portrait close up or full body. It's more like a play. The opposite of powerpoint-monogatari where camerawork goes crazy and animation is limited to a few moments.

And then there's this crazy meme where they do crazy shit, but it's basically limited to simple geometric patterns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HR4Junqmzg

Maybe this is technically "inferior" animation but this gives me much more of an animation boner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsMTpSDAGxM

Disney animation = illusion of life (tries to make the viewer forget that what they're seeing is a bunch of still images put together the same way a live-action movie does)
Japanimation = drawings in motion (embraces the nature of the medium and utilizes it to have a more raw, comic book-esque feel)

did disney not use keyframe animations? is that how the movements are so consistent?

>>160959035
WHERE ARE THE FUCKING SHADOWS?

Musical is kind of metatheatrical play,
and Japanese people think it as western

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UC9vYVAJxWc

Anyway I don't think the animate is very special

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>>160959035
>Why can't japan animate this well ever?
But they can anon

>>160960732
Thats an interesting thought

>>160960732
>shits on static backgrounds
>proceeds to dickride patlabor 2, which has static backgrounds everywhere
>even dickrides garbage like monogatari for piling up the adobe aftereffects
Disney backgrounds were hand painted with an insane amount of detail, and you're trying to suggest they're lazier than Asians whipping up some CG backgrounds? You're retarded.

>>160961820
>posts Kemono Friends as an example of good animation
You've got to be baiting.

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>>160961978
What? I said there's no camerawork, not that the backgrounds were bad. That particular scene is basically a higher level version of pic related with hand painted gorgeous backgrounds. I mean there are certainly other more dynamic scenes done by Disney. I just didn't feel particularly impressed by OPs scene.

Am I wrong?

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>>160962079
> file titled japanese 'animation'
no way, he's clearly serious

>>160962079
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wrkaw2yLfc

>You've got to be baiting.
It's called a joke/meme.

>>160959453
This is absolutely not the reason you fucking retard

>>160962205
>implying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru5EKWP25FY

>>160962111
You really don't understand jack shit about animation if you're complaining about static backgrounds of all things, all the while heaping praise on modern anime like Monogatari for using CG to give the illusion of 'dynamic camerawork'.
You are worthless.

>>160962177
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wrkaw2yLfc [Remove]

Is it wrong if I prefer the right to the left? I really want to see an entire anime animated via ms paint traced.

Why isn't there a full fledged musical anime?

https://youtu.be/e3nq4U4k1mY

>>160962231
>making a point to exagerate movement for the sake of animation
>still animate at 9fps
Fucking nips.

>>160962257
He isn't shitting on static background, but the static camera.

>>160959035
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JK9uQNBDxQ

>>160962295
There's Interstellar 5555 but I think that's the only one.

>>160962378
>He
You.

Yeah, camerawork is a real big issue when working with an entirely 2D background. The director should've janked it back and forth more.

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>>160959035
>Lain as an example of good animation
I love Lain as much as the next anon, but I can think of classic anime that was way, WAY better animated than Lain.
But what matters is perception and atmosphere, and that's what Lain excelled in.

>>160962579
Who said anything about Lain? OP was clearly referring to the video he posted.

>>160959944
Reduced budget for actual animation, to increase money for marketing, which is most cost efficient. Yeah, it sucks.

>>160962434

why are you even doing this? go outside. take a walk.

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>>160959035
Japan has surpassed the west though.

>>160962675
But akira and ghost in the shell are shit and poorly animated... And i've never heard of the others.

>>160962675
Who is this?

most tv anime are better understood as illustrated radio theater

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>>160962380
Which one of you morons posted this?

>>160959944
CalArts

>>160962727
>But akira and ghost in the shell are shit and poorly animated.
pretty basic bait, try harder next time

>>160962907
I authentically believe their animation to be very subpar and that they are bad.

>>160962958
>animation to be very subpar
Why?

>>160962907
>>160962675
Ghost in the Shell and Akira aren't anywhere near as well-animated or visually impressive in general as the classic Disney films.

>>160962989
Because I'm spoiled by post 2000 animation.

If ghost in the shell came out in the 80's I would give it a pass.
If akira had come out in the 60's or 70's I would give it a pass.

>>160962958
Better but still much room for improvement.

>>160963096
Shit taste.

>>160963052
How?
Just because they took much more effort to make?
GTFO
Also, no disney movie is even comparable to the animation of The Thief and the Cobbler

>>160962820
We tried mature animation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQO8MTlO69U

It didn't sell very well, but it was better than 99.9% of everything the nips have ever made.

>>160963096
That makes literally no sense at all, not for least because Akira has far more impressive animation than GitS.

>>160963052
They aren't as rich in movement as Disney works, but they certainly have very impressive scenes that can rival the latter.

>>160963096
>>160963052

There is not a single disney film with this level of detail, specially with lightning, even more impressive as it was animated on ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b9akEQQJng

>>160963257
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_b9akEQQJng [Embed]
Double blocked, try again.

>>160963213
>GTFO
Hello underage idiot.

>>160963257
It's not common, but the whale chase at the end of Pinocchio and the Firebird sequence in Fantasia are highly detailed in effects animation.

>>160963277
what did he mean by this?

>>160963218
>He thinks all anime is essentially moeshit and haremshit
I bet you haven't even watched anything by Fujiko Fujio
Not to mention the fact most of the good shit of the past never getting localized/translated
go back to tumblr
>>160963307
kys

>>160963351
It is prevented from being viewed embeded, and it is blocked in america.

>>160963354
>Fujiko Fujio
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fujiko_Fujio#Works
There are 3 of them. Which one?

>>160963218
>dat ugly ass CGI
Is this bait

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>>160963257
Sure thing dumbass.

>>160963223
>They aren't as rich in movement as Disney works
Disney's background art was stronger than their animation.

>>160963277
blocked in US

>>160963459
It was 2000.

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Do you care for some classic animation?

>>160963471
>Disney's background art was stronger than their animation.
Strongly disagreed.

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>>160962820
>weeaboo bringing up anime where it's not relevant

Bad nips < average nips < disney < warner brothers < good nips < ae titan < amazing nips

>>160963431
Nigger those are two people
One is Fujiko F Fujio and Fujiko A Fujio
More than half of the shit made by them is exclusive to japan only

>>160963584
>Which one?
?

>>160963584
Also it's 3 people, which is why I said there were 3 of them and asked which one.

Its easy when you can reuse animations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZkUwGan5Cs

>>160963471
>Sure thing dumbass.

Show proof then.

>>160963223
>They aren't as rich in movement as Disney works

This is wrong in the case of akira

>>160963657
>This is wrong in the case of akira
You are so stupid it's funny.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=disney+recycled+animation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWKo5veKjVU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSt6QMIaIQQ

>>160963648
Much better than reusing the same animation 3 times in the same work in under 5 minutes.

I don't think anyone would have a problem with nips doing this is they spent the resources gained from increased efficiency on better animation.

>>160963762
>Much better than reusing the same animation 3 times in the same work in under 5 minutes.
Did you just compare a multi million dollar theatrical release to typical low budget TV shows?

>>160963719
Show me a Disney fiml shot on ones.
The fat that not everything in akira is bouncing all the time doesn't mean is not more fluid.

>>160962380
Wow, that was super fucking enjoyable to watch.

>>160963762
The problem is that any gains in efficiency are offset by increasingly complex character designs and shorter production times. In the 90s the average TV anime would have 12 or less key animators overseen by one or two animation supervisors on an episode whereas now it's 6 supervisors overseeing a dozen animators and another dozen more on second key animation.

>>160963876
Low budget tv shows made by the same dozen companies for the past 50 years?
Companies that could easily recycle animation frameworks and then animate them with more frames and less labor?

Yes.
Where is the issue?

>>160963879
You don't know what fluidity is, idiot.

>>160963762
Never said that reusing animation is bad, m8. Just saying that they have an easier time making animation look good since they reuse what they already have.

>>160963955
>"Y-you just don't know!"
Nice argument

There's this guy who directs hardcore hentai called Takamuri Murakami I think.
I'd watch a show that featured his artstyle and close-ups.

>>160962579
>>160962633
You need to love Lain again.

>>160959035
Time management

>>160959035
Blame Tezuka.

>>160959035
Animation stopped being art and became only a mere commercial product. Not saying westerners are better, in that regard. I think only europeans have some kind of respect to animation as a way of art inb4 Wakfu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMoIoiN5aSQ

>>160959035
Serious answer: it;s much easier and more practical to animate large quantities of movement when the shot position is fixed on a fixed background.

Western styles of animation, especially from the golden age of the industry, are rooted int he tradition of theatre, and deliberately structured compositionally to imitate it. The scene is a stage, fixed and unmovning. The perspective is an audience, seated and unmoving. The subject moves on the fixed stage at a fixed angle, fixed depth and fixed perspective.

Contemporary Eastern styles of animation are influenced by western film and television traditions. The background and viewer perspective are rarely fixed, and editing features heavy use of jump-cuts within and between animation cuts. Animation constantly shifts depth and perspective to accommodate shifting angles of perspective, which emulates the free-form movement of a set of cameras capturing film in a movie. This style requires much more effort, and limits the amount of motion and detail that's practical to produce in each cut.

Western style: static perspective and frame, higher average subject motion detail in frame. Theatre-like.
Eastern style: dynamic perspective and frame, lower average subject motion detail in frame. Film-like.

Why don't nips just animate the camera and motion using 3d animation and then just trace?

The get the benefits of easy animation and saving on production costs.

>>160962675
Akira maybe, the others no way.

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>>160970328
this

Anime will literally never reach the level of oldschool disneyshit as long as they keep doing it for money and pandering to the lcd otaku who'll will masturbate to anything 2D as long as it's "cute".

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzt3vb
Disney should just make a full length anime film in this style.

>>160970328
Isn't that what Hand Shakers did?

>>160959035
Over stylized characters with less than 4 colors. Of course it's easy to animate something that simple.
And at least Japan still draws by hand, not like Disney that dropped classic animation for shitty 3D.

>>160959035
Not interested.

>>160970328
A lot of them do nowadays, but there are limits to that as well and it still requires a great deal of work in general. For the schedule of a television series production, it pretty much just helps get the gruntwork done more quickly.

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>>160959035
Disney in the Jewish era just sucks. Nothing but boring, horribly paced musicals.

That animation, for all its effort, sucks shit. Previous Disney examples would have been better.

>>160970328
Because you're getting the worst of both worlds at the cost of doing twice the work. You get shitty, unrealistic 3D movement and you still have to pay people to draw each frame.

>>160962177
What was the point of the video?

>>160959794
>contemplative and emphasises on single moments

haha is that why every background character in every anime is frozen like a statue?

>>160961820
webm is a good example of working with a tight budget

>>160961820
this kinda works with op's video

>>160959035
Why are you comparing a film budget to anime budgets?

>>160974166
> Nothing but boring, horribly paced musicals.
So exactly like now?

>>160978790
no, like now but with 50x less retardation

>>160979027
Oh, so by jewish era you mean now. I guess they abandoned a bit of their care for art and animation for money. Although, it's not like it hasn't always been like this. There were incredibly cheap animation back in those days, too. Most of Hanna-Barbera works had cheap looking animation, even worst looking than today, and the nips were doing shit like Speed Racer.

>>160968472
>data scientists perfect neural network style transfer
>everything starts to look like this
>animation is ruined forever

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The Jews won the animation war years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjdnCC6n4xk

>>160980246

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DadH3KjHZws

>>160959035
>I've never watched Akira

>>160969874
This actually extends to comics as well.
Manga treats itself like it's film with perspective movement and frame by frame action, whereas western comics focus way more on composition (even the ones that aren't fucking capeshit)

>>160960949
Depends on which era of Disney Animation. Walt gave a shit about animation and despite the rumors, he wasn't the devil. A Jewish communist got pissed that Walt wanted to avoid animators unionizing. Fantasia is still really cool.

>>160981497
Being against unions is being really "cucked" as you poltards like to say.
Now go back to pol and stay there.

>>160974166
>Disney in the Jewish era
Disney has always been ruled by jews, but at least they were jews who loved good animation over everything else instead of jews who love money over everything else.

>>160980246
Good to see a legit Superman story. Nobody seems to get the character right, these days.

>>160962757
That's Richard Williams, but the subtitles aren't anything he said, they're taken from Youtube comments.