If Japan gets nuked by NK how will that affect the plot of your

Pretty sure manga publishing would be suspended indefinitely if Japan were to undergo nuclear attack.

And you wouldn't have the bandwidth to miss it, trust me.

They havent miniaturize it enough to put on an icbm probably, we are good for at least this year.

>>160418537
>Pretty sure manga publishing would be suspended indefinitely
Anon ye be too naive. Even if a pandemic wiped out all life on earth new issues of Jump would still appear in convenience stores every week.

>>160418413
I'd quite literally drop everything I'm doing and start drawing a manga.

>>160418413
I don't think about it because North Korea can't nuke Japan.

>>160418413
I am supposed to be moving to Japan next year so the US better stop NK before they do something stupid by then.

>>160418904
NK can now hit NY with an ICBM, by the end of the year they will be able to fit a nuclear warhead on.

Japan is well within their strike zone, they are advancing at an exponential rate recently,, it isn't looking good.

>>160418974
No they can't.

Chances of a 1 off manga about some JAPAN STRONK fag infiltrating and killing north gooks in a glorious display of ultimate Japanese spirit?

>>160419005
As of today they can.

>>160418413
Nuclear war would probably disrupt most serialized manga for a solid while, even assuming their mangaka didn't fucking die.

>>160419051
No they can't.

>>160419086
Where are most publishing companies and printing services located? Pretty close to ground zero, I'd wager.

>>160419051
>t.kim jung 1

>>160419086
Again, pretty damn sure all non-essential industry would be suspended in the chaos following the obliteration of Tokyo and the destruction of the Japanese state.

How big a nuke? Just taking down Tokyo or like all of Kanto?

>>160418974
Why would they aim for Japan and not South Korea? They have to know they have only one chance to nuke before shit rains down on them.

>>160419286
Everything from Saitama to Aomori. But it would be far more accurate if NK blasts Alaska or Guam

>>160419336
They want SK for themselves

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>>160418413
>yfw Japan gets nuked and every mangaka with a manga in hiatus dies instantly.

>>160419400
>from Saitama to Aomori
That doesn't cover Tokyo.

>>160419336
Because it's easier to blast Seoul with conventional artillery than to waste long range missiles at a target that is right in front of them. Nukes are better for Japan and America.

Of course, if an attack starts, Russians and the Chinese and everyone else gets involved anyway, and it becomes a very ugly global war.

>>160419336
They want a united korea. They'll invade the south with ground forces and take it over.
Nuke Japan so they can't come to the souths help.
China will just sit back and watch.

>>160419336
Presumably, SK is reserved for conventional warfare. NK already has anough artillery in place along the DMZ to reach Seoul and pulverize it.

>>160419448
Then go the other way around, jesus christ. From Saitama to Saga. Tokyo and Shikoku would be fucked then

>>160419432
Would make no difference

>>160419458
China won't just watch because the US is going to nuke Pyongyang.

Holy fuck the ignorance.

>>160419449
>>160419463
North Korea barely has any artillery that can reach Seoul. The ones that can, are only able to hit the Northern edges. No one "pulverizes" Seoul you fools.
No, North Korea will not nuke Japan, it's not just that they can't but also that it makes no sense. No, North Korea is not going to invade and take over South Korea because that brings in the US, North Korean logistics are non-existent and they can't protect any of their assets from both the South Korean and US airforce. There are only a tiny amount of roads available that'll allow North Korea to move their forces towards Seoul, all useless in case of war because lack of logistics and defensive posture by SK and the US. Shut the fuck up.

>>160419709
The US would've done this decades ago if it wouldn't have been for China. They will stop them as they always did

NK won't nuke Jaspn, they won't even nuke SK. The main reason is China. Even though China is supporting them, China sure as hell wouldn't like it they start blowing up shit. China is literally RIGHT next to NK, the moment NK tries to start a war, China WILL invade them and take over the country. SK and US won't even need to lift a finger

>>160420085
Nobody is going to invade anyone or anything. The entire exercise is only to remind the burgers that they should fuck off.
It's mostly Kimmy-boy's attempt to humiliate old white guy Trump.

>>160420085
That sounds too good to be true. If China wanted, they could've invaded NK anytime and nobody would've minded. Yet they didn't

>>160420174
Didn't Trump send a big fat strong carrier over there some monts ago so NK should shut up? Since then the launches only increased. What happened to that carrier?

>>160420200
Because North Korea is a good buffer against the US.

>>160420085
I remember discussions over a decade ago about a couple generations of malnourished NK children, millions now grown up damaged in body and mind.

China does NOT want to own that problem.

Were any mangaka killed off by the Tohoku event?

>>160418413
>Pretty sure manga publishing would be suspended indefinitely if Japan were to undergo nuclear attack.
For a month, perhaps. The more dangerous situation would be for Otaku NEETs to start taking to the streets in open revolt, bringing their dakis out with them to inflate their numbers.

>>160420085
>>160420200
China does not support North Korea, I'm sure they wouldn't say no to a buffer state that is quite and obedient but North Korea is neither. They don't export anything of worth to them. On the other hand North Koreans cross the border to China and work as free labor there while also exporting coal. China, just like SK, is not interested in owning a country full of damaged goods, starved people and shitty infrastructure. That would be a huge dump on their economy, not as much as the one that SK would suffer and would most likely bring South Korea to it's knees but it's an annoying one. Not to mention refugees.
No one wants to deal with NK, no one wants to deal with autistic children.

>>160420235
Probably somewhere around where he thinks Korea is, so Singapore.

>>160420676
>No one wants to deal with NK, no one wants to deal with autistic children.

Why don't we just nuke them and leave the land to whoever gets it first?

>>160418413
Well it's not like Berserk is ever going to end anyway.

It would depend. Perhaps all manga turns into wartime propaganda. Perhaps we'll get some peace-oriented series. Perhaps they'll stop publication altogether until the situation passes over.

>>160418413
I will literally drop everything, drive to the west coast, swim across the ocean, and kill lil kim with my bare fucking hands

Anime industry would be hit harder.

>>160420778
I know it is hard to imagine but you don't just nuke people if you're not at war or if it isn't absolutely necessary.

>>160420857
Oh man, does that mean that we'll get one short anime less in the following season?
The horror.

>>160420085
China wants Japan to burn though. They've been in conflict for years around the East China Sea, and Chinese nationals themselves are still out for blood due to lingering wounds from WWII.

>>160420838
We need to weaponize your rage, anon. Military superiority guaranteed.

>>160420822
Would a manga about cute girls slaughtering North Koreans be popular?

>>160420819
Fuck you beat me to it.

>>160420857
>EMP effect
>Digital anime no longer viable
>Revert back to cels

I choose to see the glass half full.

>>160420947
Also it would affect broadcast stations so a shift from tv to more ovas.

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>>160420822
>Perhaps all manga turns into wartime propaganda
>Yotsubato becomes violent wartime propaganda
reverse bugs bunny.

>>160420838
>first wave of ground invasion is a rag tag band of weeaboos angry that they can't watch their cartoons

Cannon fodder may be cannon fodder, but sometimes it's necessary cannon fodder.

>>160419827
>Holy fuck the ignorance.
>North Korea barely has any artillery that can reach Seoul
NK can put a quarter of a million pounds of ordinance from 17,000 rounds onto Seoul in an hour. Even if an attack wouldn't last for as long as that for the fire suppression campaign which would ensue (and attacks on more local targets as to soften up the south for invasion), it's still more than enough of a threat to have allowed the Kim's sixty years of their insane misrule.

>>160420872
We (the United States) are still at war with North Korea.

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>>160418974
And what if they do it? Say they level NY, SF and DC. Trump OR deadhand protocol will turn South Korea into an island moment later.

Norks can threaten major loss of life. Against a nuclear superpower, that doesn't mean us. We're not the 'only' ones, but we're one a small handful that CAN 'take our ball and go home' and turn the entire planet into a radioactive wasteland and end 'life as we know it'' if we're backed into a corner. And it's extremely likely that Kim can back us into a corner. The most he can do is grant us full justification to bomb north korea into dust. Even china isn't going to be able to back him up if he launches a preemptive strike.

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>>160421670
>onto Seoul in an hour.
No, no, no and no. How many times does it have to be said?

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>>160422381
Yours is not showing the long range stuff.
>meant to post this with the last one

Which is besides the point; if the norks conduct an attack on the US (likely EMP) in this scenario, they'll coordinate it with a front-wide barrage intending to facilitate invasion. Seoul will come under attack only to induce panic, to isolate it, and to entice the defenders into over-committing their counter-battery efforts along a single sector.

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>>160422724
This image is literally false, North Korea does not have artillery that can reach that far into South Korea. I don't know where that image comes from but it's clearly wrong.

>>160420922
I'd buy it

North Korea won't nuke the US or its allies because the US or its allies won't do anything to trigger North Korea for real.
Both sides will continue to taunt each another with missile launches, sharp rhetoric and military exercises. Nothing really changes, life goes on, the world continues to spin, anime episodes will still be watched and mocked for being low quality.

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>>160423267
>This image is literally false, North Korea does not have artillery that can reach that far into South Korea
170mm SP howitzers & 240/300mm MRLs of which NK has hundreds of pieces of each can hit south of Seoul. I don't know what bullshit site you've read that denies what's been the Kim's WMD ace up their sleeve for three generation.

>>160420934
You're fucking retarded.

>>160418413
O MY SKIN CANCER

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>>160423711
>60km range
Are you out of your fucking mind, son?
The long range artillery of that size needs Hardened Artillery Sites, NONE of which are close enough to Seoul.
You can't put these anywhere you like you fool. Picture related, all estimated HARTs. Now measure the distance, NONE of those are within 40 kms of Seoul proper, which is the range of these artillery pieces. Once again, you are wrong.

>>160423508
Well, with the US and NK's current leaders, I can see a nuclear war started because of pure buffoonery; specifically not enough people placed between that buffoonery and the process of physically launching nuclear missiles. It's only a matter of time before one of these lardasses goes full Charlie Sheen.

>>160424043
>40 kms of Seoul proper, which is the range of these artillery pieces

>M-1978 (Koksan) is a 170 mm self-propelled (SP) gun of North Korean design and manufacture
>Maximum firing range 60 km (with RAP round)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koksan_%28artillery%29

>The KN-09 is a North Korean 300 mm rocket artillery system of a launcher unit comprising 8 rockets packaged in two four-rocket pods.
|>Maximum firing range 200 km (120 mi)
>the KN-09's range can cover half of South Korea, including the ROK military's Gyeryongdae complex in South Chungcheong Province as well as the city of Daejeon, and threaten major United States Forces Korea military bases like Pyeongtaek and Osan Air Base, 97 km (60 mi) south of Seoul.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KN-09_(MRL)

Why are you so wrong?

>>160424548
>Why are you so wrong?
You are quoting wikipedia articles WITHOUT a source. Are you fucking dumb, kid?

>>160422053
>NY, SF and DC
It'd tank the entire economy, effectively crush the established government, and probably place the US under indefinite military rule.
IF the US wiped them off the map fallout and the blast radius in general would make SK unlivable, make the east coast of China (aka China) a gas chamber, and turn Japan into a country where everyone lives in hermetically sealed glass domes.

Needless to say they'd all become the US bitter enemy, strengthening the paranoia that a military rule would need to continue viability in the minds of the populous. Canada would build a huge wall. Eventually the US would destroy itself via civil conflict and ethnic cleansing, many citizens would try to flee to Canada only to find a massive wall erected there, and whatever is left of the place will be razed and divided by the Russkies, Chinese, and EU.

>>160424687
These are fully sourced, shill, and are only wiki articles for familiarity purposes to show how widely available the information is. The M-1978 of which the M-1989 is derived was even used in combat in the Iran-Iraq war, captured and later evaluated for its specs, and it had a range of 60km.

>>160424687
Buddy, are you retarded? Those wiki articles are sourced. Learn to read.

>>160424819
>shill
Who exactly am I shilling for?

>and it had a range of 60km.
Which is supposed to be its max range and absolutely not reliable data. So yeah, I'd rather not consider that to be it's actual range and apparently people that have a clue don't do it either. More range for you
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/rok/seoul-imagery-artillery.htm
and this doesn't even seem to include the necessary HART positions.

>>160424806
>Canada would build a huge wall.
Will the wall be paid by Americans at least?

>>160418413
If Japan was nuked would America attack/nuke North Korea?

I imagine South Korea would also be nuked if Japan got nuked

I'm guessing every production would went to China. Translations would be lightning fast, everyone won.

>>160424806
t. Glorious Leader of True Korea

>>160425060
Japan has their own nukes, but I feel like at this point in both western and eastern cultures the first nuclear bombing of the 21st century won't illicit a retaliatory strike because of how saturated the cultures are with apocalyptic fiction where the exact same situation happens in the prologue.

>>160424992
Are you kidding me.
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/m1978_koksan.htm
This is the only source in that article that speaks of range. The ONLY one.

As for the KN-09. I'm not going to believe a single thing NK tells anyone about the range of their own weaponry.

>>160418807
>lose in such a spectacular way that will make them feel inferior.
Sounds like it backfired.

>>160418537
Jump will keep publishing shit thru their top secret Hokkaido secondary HQ/military bunker.

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>>160418413
North Korea isn't nuking anybody. The regime is pursuing ICBM development because they want to maintain the current status quo through nuclear deterrence, not because they want to perform a preemptive strike against the Great Satan. Kim and his inner circle live a very comfy life ruling over their unfortunate peons in luxury, I can't think of a single logical reason why they'd want to throw it all away by triggering a nuclear conflict that they'd have no chance of winning.

anyway, if the nips did get fried a third time, hopefully Meth would survive and continue to gift us with chubby elves. I don't think I could handle losing him.

>>160425231
not to mention even if they COULD launch the missile that far the US has a ton of missile defense systems set up around the country built to shoot down incoming nukes/ICBM.

Hell China's been spying us and getting pissy at us building them all over the place and in south korea/japan

>>160425193
It's far more likely that first nuclear bombing in the 21st century will be carried out by terrorist groups instead of being part of the warfare between states.

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For this scenario, is Japan being nuked IRL or in the manga?

>>160425193
I'd love to see the source where Japan has exercised nuclear testing.

>>160425292
100% correct.

>>160425292
Eventually a shitty NK-produced guidance system will glitch and one of their test missiles will actually hit a country.

>>160424992
>>160424819
Wikipedia sources can sometimes be bullshit anon.
>>160425042
No, just like how the spics won't pay for the wall for America.

>>160425160
That's already happening to anime.

>>160425193
>Japan has their own nukes
Uh. What?
Japan is famously nuclear-weapons-ready but it doesn't have an arsenal.

>>160425365
Why does nobody want to pay for walls? ;_;

>>160418413
>Fist of the North Star
How it all begins

>>160425360
>While there are currently no known plans in Japan to produce nuclear weapons, it has been argued Japan has the technology, raw materials, and the capital to produce nuclear weapons within one year if necessary, and many analysts consider it a de facto nuclear state for this reason.[30][31] For this reason Japan is often said to be a "screwdriver's turn"[32][33] away from possessing nuclear weapons, or to possess a "bomb in the basement".[34]

>Significant amounts of reactor-grade plutonium are created as a by-product of the nuclear energy industry. Japan was reported in 2012 to have 9 tonnes of plutonium in Japan, enough for more than 1,000 nuclear warheads, and an additional 35 tonnes stored in Europe.[35][36] It has constructed the Rokkasho Reprocessing Plant, which could produce further plutonium.[35] Japan has a considerable quantity of highly enriched uranium (HEU), supplied by the U.S. and UK, for use in its research reactors and fast neutron reactor research programs; approximately 1,200 to 1,400 kg of HEU as of 2014.[37] Japan also possesses an indigenous uranium enrichment plant[31][38] which could hypothetically be used to make highly enriched uranium suitable for weapons use.

>Japan has also developed the M-V three-stage solid-fuel rocket, somewhat similar in design to the U.S. LGM-118A Peacekeeper ICBM, giving it a missile technology base. It now has an easier-to-launch second generation solid-fuel rocket, Epsilon. Japan has experience in re-entry vehicle technology (OREX, HOPE-X). Toshiyuki Shikata, a Tokyo Metropolitan Government adviser and former lieutenant general, said that part of the rationale for the fifth M-V Hayabusa mission, from 2003 to 2010, was that the re-entry and landing of its return capsule demonstrated "that Japan's ballistic missile capability is credible."[39] In 2011, former Minister of Defense Shigeru Ishiba explicitly backed the idea of Japan maintaining the capability of nuclear latency:

Fukushima did jackshit for me. WSJ was delayed a week, was annoying. Lazy Japs

All the other non-shonen series i read are on constant hiatuses anyway

>>160425318
This is something else that I wanted to say, yes. If the KN-09 can actually reach Seoul proper it would be the first target for any Tomahawks, counter battery and so on. Not to mention that these seem to be new so they can't possibly have many of them and obviously they need space.

>>160424819
>If you disagree with me you must be a shill

what happened to having simple discourse without everyone accusing everyone of being some sort of "shill"

>>160425416
Because more guards and fences are more efficient and effective.

>>160425060
Doesn't the US has a treaty of defense with Japan covering exactly that possibility?

>>160425455
So they don't have nukes, and haven't tested them.
Thanks for proving my point.

>>160425319
That's bullshit, how exactly will that work in your mind? You think ISIS is going to launch an ICBM at Israel or Europe and no one will know about it? Or they'll carry a dirty bomb in their pocket/van? Yeah nah.

>>160425503
I think so.

Though it's just a piece of paper, but I'd imagine we would honor it.

>>160425511
>believing that
Do you think the Japanese don't have classified military R&D? Are you that naive? The nips are a bunch of castrated nu-males, but they're not castrated enough to refrain from putting together a couple nukes on the hush hush.

>>160425193
>>160425455
Japan has no nukes, they have big daddy America for that. US Air Force has nuclear-tipped cruise missiles stationed in Japan

The Japs consider nukes more trouble than they're worth at this point. They're already under the American nuclear umbrella, any country that nukes japan would be immediately nuked by the US. Developing nukes would meanwhile create a crisis with not just NK but also China, Russia, and even South Korea

US/UK/France/Russia/China/Israel/India/Pakistan/North Korea/soon to be Iran (thanks obama) are the only nuclear powers. Netherlands, Germany, Belgium, Turkey, Italy, Japan, and South Korea have American nukes stored on their soil

>>160425547
Here in the US we've long been told that Al Qaeda's moonshot goal has always been setting off a nuclear device in New York City.

>>160418846
>testing ground
I never got this meme. We already tested the first atomic bomb Trinity, so we knew what the explosive power was. We then tested upwards of a thousand bombs afterwards, but none of them on an enemy target (Despite ample opportunities). Seriously, we knew the bombs would blow up Hiroshima and Nagasaki, that was kind of the point, what could we possibly have been "testing"?

>>160425599
>But in an April interview with Chris Wallace on Fox News, Trump said, "It's not like, gee whiz, nobody has them. So, North Korea has nukes. Japan has a problem with that. I mean, they have a big problem with that. Maybe they would in fact be better off if they defend themselves from North Korea."

>Wallace asked, "With nukes?"

>"Including with nukes, yes, including with nukes," Trump responded.

Poor Abe didn't sign up to be a wartime PM. He'll never be able to revive the Glorious Japanese Empire from the ashes.

>>160425362
it wouldn't have a payload so there wouldn't be a boom. It would be an international incident but I doubt a war would result from it.

>>160425547
>Or they'll carry a dirty bomb in their van?
that's exactly how it'll go down. Irrational actors are far more likely to use nuclear weapons because their goals are generally ideological, not tactical or strategic.

>>160425618
Any nuclear test can be detected from the other side of the globe though, that was how NK was outed in the first place.

>>160425625
yeah but they can't exactly trust America to deliver atm >>160425711

>>160425618
So they've put together nuclear weapons that'll theoretically work? Because they've damn sure not tested them.

>>160425724
>Irrational actors are far more likely to use nuclear weapons
Yeah, IF they can get their hands on the material, knowledge to put them to use/together and smuggle the bomb into the target area.
In other words, it might not be as unlikely as me fucking Rei on Mars but it's certainly takes up a similar space on the unlikely things to happen list.

>>160425732
Would they even need to test it? They've got some of the most advanced tech and sharpest minds on the planet. I think they can confidently make a nuclear device with the information they have available to them. It's not like they're starting from scratch.

>>160425711
Yeah, Abe already has too much on his plate with the otaku scum refusing to reproduce.

>>160425846
>Would they even need to test it?
That's kind of how these things work, yes. Nothing is immune to malfunction Anon.

>>160425817
>unlikely things to happen list
1. That dude from the celebrity apprentice controlling the largest military in the history of mankind

>>160425846
yah, naw, you're right.
Throwing together and ICBM is like making a big ol' bottle rocket, and if it doesn't work and blows up immediately, it's not like it's a big deal or anything. Shit, it's a wonder why NK tests their stuff when they could have just waited a few years and just launched a rocket all super secret like.

>>160425547
Reminder that by this time in the last century we were still in a stalemated WW1.
The 21st century is merely an infant at this point, there's a lot of water to go through this bridge yet.

>>160425913
Physical test of nuclear weapons are a 20th century archaism. The precision of computer simulation is the new norm. 3D-printed nukes nigga. Work every time.

>>160425846
Yeah, it'd be great to throw a multi million dollar dud around.

>>160425697
Because they wanted to see how destructive nuclear weapons were on relatively untouched environments like Hiroshima and Nagasaki or whatever. Those two locations were still relatively intact. The world still didn't understand the effects of radiation at that time, if I'm correct. I could be wrong.

Regardless, Nips still believe nuclear energy should be banned to this day the same way Lefties think America should be gun free. Putting all the blame on a "tool" instead of the negligence of the operator/user is very senile/ignorant in my opinion, and this is coming from a Nip myself.

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>>160425035
>Who exactly am I shilling for?
No fucking clue, but evidently of the propagandistic mindset of
>no worries, we can lick 'em right quick
This in spite of thousands of articles over the years quoting studies telling of how the Norks have Seoul under the gun.

>Which is supposed to be its max range and absolutely not reliable data.
Consider the source. (pic related)

On the other hand the same proximate weapon system was already used in combat nearly thirty years ago at could strike near 20km further than the 40km you insist is it's range.

>So yeah, I'd rather not consider that to be it's actual range and apparently people that have a clue don't do it either
You can fudge on the conservative side all you want to if your intention is to avoid the implication of what most sources reveal is the system's max range.

>and this doesn't even seem to include the necessary HART positions.
Let's see about those necessary HART positions
http://nautilus.org/publications/books/dprkbb/military/dprk-briefing-book-harts-in-north-korea/
>In the vicinity of KAESONG (Panmunjon) there are the “Y” type bunkers (Fig 2). These consist of precast concrete, covered by earth. From these bunkers the North could fire at targets in the Western Corridor, the Kimpo Peninsula and Gangwha Island. It is here that Communist artillery is located which can hit the South Korean capital, Seoul
This isn't even taking into account the MRLs which can fire from much further back, or NK's inventory of IRBMs.

>>160425904
Not unlikely at all, never was either. Did you forget Ronald Reagan? Also, are you implying I'll get to fuck Rei on Mars?

>>160425918
You're not wrong but it's always difficult/impossible to predict what will happen in the "distant" future so as of right now, it's on the list.

>>160418807
>lose in such a spectacular way that will make them feel inferior.
Not really, American's didn't feel inferior to the Japanese at all, why the hell would we? Plus if anything considering the mentality of the Japanese at the time (we're have the greatest culture and people by far and have a god given right to rule china) it was way more of a blow to the Japanese ego.

>>160426050
>Did you forget Ronald Reagan?
Uh that nigger was a captain in the airforce and the governor of California. Not a draft dodger and real estate mogul.

>>160426033
You're a pretty shitty nip then, because nuclear was the 2nd biggest contributor to energy before tohoku. Now it's 3rd.

They just have an obvious point against propagating nuclear power

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>>160426008
Do you actually believe this?

>>160426311
Of course. The 3D-printer will print plutonium with ease.

>>160426370
>he doesn't already print his own plutonium
Go back to 2016, dinosaur.

>>160426050
I'm pretty sure that, by 1917, the US alone having the capability of ending civilization as we know it was on that list as well.
Hell, the very concept of the internet was probably also on that list.
I'm not even saying it's likely, but it's a very much valid concern for sometime in this century.
We'll see it coming though, no terrorist faction is even near that capability, and one cannot simply hide a nuke test, try as they may, so there'll be warnings at least.

>>160426033
The human race aren't old enough to play with these toys yet, they should be taken away until we get eugenics down and collectively grow up.

>>160426300
I think there is a miscommunication here. I support nuclear energy and advancing it. Tepco are a bunch of cheapo niggers who cheaped out on safety even though a god damn intern reported a flaw in the fail safe. The Upper Management are business men who only care about profit and shekels, they know jack shit about nuclear engineering like the intern. They thought the probability of the fail safe screwing up was minimal, but they were wrong at the end of the day.

I wanted point out nuclear energy is fine as long as proper safety precautions are put into place. Same principle applies with firearms, rules should be followed. Take shortcuts and you're fucked. Get it?

>>160426443
The big problem is a country like Russia having another revolution and creating derelict nukes.

>>160426048
>This in spite of thousands of articles over the years quoting studies telling of how the Norks have Seoul under the gun.
Thousands of articles from what source? Newspapers?

>Consider the source.
>On the other hand the same proximate weapon system was already used in combat nearly thirty years ago at could strike near 20km further than the 40km you insist is it's range.
WITH RAP.

>http://nautilus.org/publications/books/dprkbb/military/dprk-briefing-book-harts-in-north-korea/
>1986
You serious? Funny you post that though. Read this instead, then come back. Luckily for you, this does actually include the 60km max range.
>http://nautilus.org/napsnet/napsnet-special-reports/mind-the-gap-between-rhetoric-and-reality/

>>160426555
Yah, I feel yah, and that's more inline with Japanese thinking, but you did say that nuclear energy isn't wanted which isn't true in Japan.

Now if you're talking about America on the other hand...

north korea won't nuke anyone, because as soon as they do they'll cease to exist

>>160426658
Yeah but no. Expect a year of shelling, 2 years of invasion, and 30 years of occupation. Nobody is gonna create a Mariana trench of radiation and gook skulls.

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>>160425817
you don't need to be a genius to assemble a gun-type weapon if you have the fissile uranium to make it. Finding the material would be the hard part, though I'm sure some is floating around the black market as we speak.

common-garden radioactive material is relatively easy to obtain so a dirty bomb is never out of the question. Smuggling a bomb into a target area would be easy, on a hot summer's day you could even hide it inside a truck transporting a bulk shipment of watermelon to have plausible deniability while simultaneously absorbing any above-background levels of radiation emitted by the device.

>>160426050
Reagan had prior political experience and was able to act like a proper statesman. Trump was and is laughably crude and incompetent to the point of being a walking meme, and yet he still managed to beat out dozens of far more qualified rivals and win. It's the very definition of an unlikely result.

with the way things have been going lately, if things get much weirder I'd hardly bat an eye if Rei showed up on my doorstep and requested a trip to Mars.

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>>160426592
Highly unlikely.

>>160426725
>>160426284
Yeah sure, but wasn't the argument Trump's celebrity background? Trump is no dictator, he doesn't work alone and with the way the elections are set up in the US, I can absolutely not understand how it's hard to believe that someone like him could become the US president.

>>160426811
Ничего, вот сдохнет старый пидор, и тогда начнётся пиздец по всей стране.

>>160426721
north korea isn't like iraq
if they nuke anyone there's no excuse not to invade them anymore, kim's dictatorship (and life) is over. they're just posturing

>>160426721
Well, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, aka North Korea, will indeed cease to exist, much like the USSR ceased to exist.

>>160426658
>>160426721
Why do people act like nuking a country off the map is a literal thing?

The point is if NK fires any nukes, they'll probably send off only a handful of shaky ICBMs that could very likely miss their target naturally.
At most, I'd say 3 major cities max could be wiped out. Painful, but not impossible to recover from.

The response won't be to turn it into a literal crater, just wherever they can figure out the nukes and Kim are.
You only need a few nukes in response to completely cripple NK and force a surrender. That's like the main benefit of having so many god damn nukes you don't know what to do with them: someone tries to play a hand, you naturally have a much more massive and powerful one to respond forcing them to drop instantly.

>>160426658
The regime in North Korea knows that. When they'll use nukes, it's as a dead man switch because burgers did something dumb and silly like sending an assassination death squad against the leaders, or supporting an "uprising" from the enslaved masses.
Nukes are a guarantee that nobody will really try to remove them from power through murder.

>>160426642
Exactly, Japanese thinking can be so traditional minded and conservative, they play the game way too safe sometimes, but that could very well be my own bias. My friends and family in Japan are relatively anti-nuclear. News reports still talk about the general public being against nuclear energy because of the Tepco meme. If you can enlighten me with a different point of view, I'd be more than welcome to read your views, good sir. I'm a bit out of touched with Japanese politics since a year ago. Too much fake news these days.

>>160426721
I don't think an invasion would work. I think there are simulations predicting a sound defeat, same way would go for Iran. If things were so easy, shit would have been done long ago.

>>160426949
I mean cease to exist as >>160426915 pointed out, not 'total nuclear war', they're surrounded by 4 countries with powerful militaries, plus the US, they would have no backing from anyone and they'd be invaded and dissolved

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>>160426613
>Thousands of articles from what source? Newspapers?
Sure. Like this one derived from the wiki re:deployment of the KN-09. Even if you want to discount the NK claims, South Korea's defense sources estimates its range as 124km, more than enough to hit Seoul and environs beyond from behind the DMZ's prepared positions.
>https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/07/world/asia/north-korea-multiple-rocket-launchers.html?_r=0
Or wait. Tell me you don't believe those things you read in media which are inconvenient to you.

>WITH RAP.
I haven't said otherwise. Do you believe the Norks have overlooked this elemental aspect of technology when their artillery forces are perhaps their most important branch?

>>1986
>You serious? Funny you post that though
Thirty years on and the Nork capabilities have advanced, not regressed.

>Read this instead, then come back.
>Luckily for you, this does actually include the 60km max range.
Why are you arguing, then?

When this is all in the "besides which" portion of the argument, for in the hypothetical scenario of a North Korean attack we're outside the boundaries of them holding Seoul and its environs under the existential threat of blanket shelling to inflict mass casualties. In an invasion scenario, Seoul is an object of capture, with the greater portion of South Korean populace at risk of being overrun. Artillery will be moving south.

This reminds me, why in the FUCK hasn't SK moved their capital somewhere else in the over 60 years of constant tension they've had?

>>160427509
It's entirely possible that the KN-09 has the ability to hit Seoul. I've already agreed to that>>160425472

>I haven't said otherwise.
No but you have clearly ignored what that means, right? It's explained in
http://nautilus.org/napsnet/napsnet-special-reports/mind-the-gap-between-rhetoric-and-reality/
which holds the answer to
>Why are you arguing
and explains why
>with the greater portion of South Korean populace at risk of being overrun. Artillery will be moving south.
is never going to happen.

>>160427762
yeah why dont they just pick up all the roads and buildings and move?

>>160427824
I didn't say the city, just the government.
Moving a capital is not a new concept.

>>160427952
government isn't really under threat from artillery bombardment, they can just go hide in a bunker

>/a/ has always said 2 nukes weren't enough
You faggots willed this. When will we get an anime about our dear leader?

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>>160425292
>Kim and his inner circle live a very comfy life ruling over their unfortunate peons in luxury

The threat of Norks launching nukes isn't from Kim just up and deciding to do it out of nowhere, it's a matter of if when North Korea collapses from the inside or Kim ends up on his death bed from being so fat, he says fuck it and launches them for one last fireworks show.

He clearly doesn't give two fucks about other people's human rights, so I wouldn't be surprised if he launches them once he thinks his luxurious lifestyle is over.

U.S should just invade already so that there's no chance of Seoul and Tokyo getting destroyed, Nork military has such outdated technology yet trains for such conventional tactics that it'd be easier than the pointless Iraq invasion.

>ywn be part of the invading force and save a cute Nork girl by making her surrender then making her your waifu after the war

>>160427993
At least it'd blur the huge target thy have drawn on their faces.
I mean, it's not like the capital has to be on their economic/populacional center, or even that near of it for that matter.

>>160428242
the only real damage an artillery bombardment is going to do to is to the civilian population, which isn't going to change unless they take all the buildings and houses and walk away with them. Artillery just softens up the defense before your ground troops arrive. and NK ground troops would never arrive

>>160428195
China wouldn't just sit idly with an unprovoked invasion.

Also,
>then making her your waifu after the war
You mean onahole, gooks aren't worth that much.

>>160428344
I'm not even talking about artillery, but whenever NK goes ballistic for whatever reason, they will have a huge target less than 50km from the frontline, which does pose quite a degree of risk.

>>160428518
well what else do they have? they don't have bombers, and if they have IBCMs then range is (theoretically) irrelevant.

>>160427797
>is never going to happen.
Wargaming off of the premise that Kim hits the US with nukes is also not likely to happen. Yet any time you attempt such you have to allow for possibilities that don't fit with conventional thinking. For Kim to be of a mind to strike the United States with nuclear weapons, he might only be doing so in a political environment that the US couldn't respond according to its optimal responsive plan of attack. We may be under limitations imposed by Chinese/Russian military movements/positioning to refrain from using our counter-battery air power to optimal effect, or under political pressure to not use Japan as a base of operations. Suffice it to say that Kim doesn't simply wake up one day and launch an invasion on the spur of the moment, wanting to be defeated by America's prepared defenses.

All the link argues is that NK propaganda claims with regards to its existential strategic threat against Seoul are overblown. Assuredly, but the powers-that-be have never been encouraged to put the extent of the North's capability to shell Seoul to the test. Whether it be a "sea of fire," or merely tens of thousands of casualties with hundreds of millions of dollars in damages, nobody looks to risk Seoul coming under artillery fire.

As per conventional lines of thought.

>>160428585
I'm not saying it's an imminent threat, but if an opportunity for invasion ever presents itself, SK's butt cheeks would be basically completely spread on their exposed anuses.
Say, if a natural disaster of any kind happens, or if SK ever finds itself at war with someone else, or anything that would throw SK in disarray really.
That's the opportunity NK would ever ask, and even with US intervention, Seoul could still be overrun before any troops make it there exactly because it's so close from the frontline.

>>160422053
you're fucking stupid of you think north korea has any intention ever of nuking anyone

>>160428971
the SK/NK border is the most fortified place in the world
North Korea is not a military threat, the worst thing about any war with North Korea is how many of their soldiers will die

>>160429018
Not at the moment that is.
But as I'm saying, if the stars ever align for NK and the right opportunity presents itself, there'll be hardly anything that can be done.
Which seems like something strange to leave to luck like this, instead of just moving your capital to a safer position.

I guess the explanation would be history and/or to not give NK the satisfaction, but even then it means that they are willingly taking the risk.

>>160427762
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sejong_City

They've been trying to for fifteen years. These things take a while, you have to uproot a whole department, each with their own families, and build this new expansive city all at the same time.

>>160419086
> nuclear war
> 1 nuke
You seem to think a large firecracker going off would destroy Japan. Worst case it will delete part of a city and that's it before a joint strike force between south korea, Japan, China, Russia, and the US club NK like a baby seal

>>160428802
>under limitations imposed by Chinese/Russian military movements/positioning to refrain from using our counter-battery air power to optimal effect
I think we both know that you're reaching for the next star system with this argument.

>All the link argues is that NK propaganda claims with regards to its existential strategic threat against Seoul are overblown.
No, I can't believe that's all you got from this. It, in detail, explains why North Korean artillery or any sort of armor is not going to move down South. Because they quite literally can't. The logistical question is one of the first in the actual paper, read it again please.

>nobody looks to risk Seoul coming under artillery fire.
Actually interesting you put that thought out because it's also something that is being written about in the paper.

Listen, no need for an answer. Just read the paper, completely! I don't expect you to come back after ten minutes, it's a long and detailed paper with lots of stuff to think about but it DOES address all of the issues that you named earlier, including our artillery range discussion, and just now in your post.
It's not about the argument that sees you coming back and giving me an answer or something, just read it. That's all I'm asking, because no offence but I think we can both agree that
>Roger Cavazos consults on Northeast Asia security. He is recently retired from a 22 year career in the United States Army with assignments at tactical, operational, and strategic levels.
is a very trustworthy source and I'd like to also think that the NYTimes is irrelevant when you have this at hand.

>>160420947
>>160420967
Aren't the inbetweens made in korea? That would fuck over the industry as a good chunk of the animation staff disappears in the buildup and duration of the conflict due to all the inbetweeners getting called back to the reserves, and the remainder of the staff evacuating elsewhere?

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>>160429266
you mean if all the south korean / us / japanese military stationed in east asia all suddenly dissappeared all at once? I'm not sure you understand how weak NK is. The only thing they have going for them is they have alot of troops who might not surrender willingly

>>160429394
>gook sweatshop animation jobs go back to the nips
I see no problem with this. Get those hikkiNEETs to work.

>>160421670
Congress never officially declared war with NK

>>160429283
Ok then, seems like they are slowly doing it at least.

>>160429452
And I'm not sure you understand what I'm saying, just try re-reading my post, I'm not going to make the same point a third time.
But the other anon already answered my question and the administrative capabilities of the government are indeed slowly being moved away, so that's a moot point now.

>>160427036
Iraq was basically 12 different countries under the thumb of a strongman, bound by a regional religion a couple millennia old.
North Korea is different though. Its a monolithic society, take down Kim and their state run pseudo-religion will crumble soon enough. There's no reason to fight when their glorious leader is dead and they seen the metaphorical man behind the curtain. They don't have enough history for prolonged fanaticism. Give them some food and they'll wake up pretty quick. The entire country is inadvertently using that starvation tactic that low-level cults use to indoctrinate people.

>>160429313
>joint strike force between south korea, Japan, China, Russia, and the US

That's pretty overkill, it'd probably just be the US and South Korea, maybe a bit of support from Japan.

China is vaguely allied with the Norks so I don't see them going out of their way to fight alongside a bunch of countries they hate, they'd probably just sit back and watch, and I really doubt Russia gives a shit about the Norks anymore.

Having too many countries involved speaking so many different languages would just slow things down and possibly lead to friendly fire incidents.

South Korea won't want Japan involved in the land war thanks to both Koreas still being pretty pissed about all the war crimes Japs committed against them in WWII, I doubt seeing Jap soldiers in their country would make the Norks more willing to calm down and stop fighting.

>>160429452
>The only thing they have going for them is they have alot of troops who might not surrender
There's the potential for another Vietnam but this time with China funding the enemy instead of the USSR.

>>160429722
>China is vaguely allied with the Norks
A few months ago they said an attack on NK would be treated as an attack on mainland China.

>>160418413
Will never haplen because we all know it's only for retaliation, never meant to be used.

>>160429718
Don't they have a line of succession as well?
I think you'd have to kill Kim's whole family for that to work.
And even then, the higher ups of the government could just say he's hiding in a bunker and not show his face for a good while if they're left to their own devices, just to prolong the fight.

>>160429764
That's precisely where the US takes a humiliating defeat.

Second apocalypse?

Second apocalypse

>>160429896
That's what a smart person would do, but I don't trust those fanatic fucks to be that smart.
Really, the smartest thing would be to just stay in China's nuclear umbrella and avoid all this trouble, but that's not exactly what's happening now, is it?

One or even ten shitty nukes won't really do anything but make NK cease to exist.

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>>160429371
>I think we both know that you're reaching for the next star system with this argument.
I think you never wanted to discuss the topic at hand in the first place of outside-the-box scenarios as implied in the OP's post, and rather chased after the smaller points so as to be comfortable in the realm of your knowledge base.

Yes, the DPRKs armed forces as it exists today essentially serves as a massive deterrent, a bristling defensive arrangement to protect and sustain the Hermit Kingdom. But what if?

>Listen, no need for an answer. Just read the paper, completely! I don't expect you to come back after ten minutes
Don't you EVER watch anime?

>>160429764
From everything I've seen about the Nork military they seem to prefer conventional tactics over guerrilla warfare, it'd be less like Vietnam and more like a tiny fraction of the 50s soviet army taking on a modern military, Norks wouldn't stand a chance.

Their weapons don't have anywhere near the (accurate)range of modern stuff, anything they did hit would barely be damaged because modern ground vehicle armor is insanely tough, and Norks aren't going to hit many jets with their shitty outdated anti-air.

Even if they did use Guerilla tactics they wouldn't have the overwhelming advantage the jungles gave to the Vietnamese, and they don't seem remotely ready or willing to use the tactics seen in the Middle East that were developed over decades of conflict by people who aren't afraid to be killed by their enemy.

>>160429899
The most important part is just getting food in the citizen's bellies. Mass deprogramming was already proofed during the latter years of the cold war.

>>160429908
The US being defeated by the North Koreans would be fucking hilarious. Historically it'd go down alongside Napoleon taking all those troops to Russian only to create a two-lane transcontinental highway composed entirely of dead Frenchmen.

>>160430319
Well, sure, but who's being counted on to feed those poor north korean's?

>>160430476
McDonalds. Privatize humanitarian aide. It'll make them lazy, unmotivated, and unfit anyways and drastically reduce whatever combat potential it cold have. Meanwhile McDonalds can create a whole nation of addicts.

>>160430071
The problem is that China's position towards the west and the Korean and Japs in particular has been softening since the 70's. It won't be long till the Chinese don't see a real advantage in keeping their little dictatorial buffer state around, and at that point the Norks while be in real danger of being fucked by Uncle Sam's massive star-spangled cock, so before that happens they want nukes as a deterrent. Seems like most people don't understand that the North Korean leadership isn't crazy they're just brutally tyrannical, and they aren't fucking stupid, they know exactly what position they're in politically and economical, so they act just crazy enough to make sure no one thinks about invading them while doing everything in their power to ensure that they remain in control of the country and get to continue to profit of the backs of the people they're oppressing, and I guarantee you the only reason they're stepping up their development of ICBMs is because they're legitimately scared that Trump might randomly decide to bomb them.

>>160430580
>giving McDonalds to a bunch of starving malnourished North Koreans

Have fun dealing with them when they all get sick and start accusing you of poisoning them in between fits of vomiting.

>>160430703
You kidding? Americans eat McDonalds even though it's making their hearts explode. North Koreans will slop that shit down and ask for seconds as they're vomiting their guts out.

>>160429821
> China thinks they can take on the majority of the developed/industrialized world
Good luck.
I think in the event that NK nukes another country all the world superpowers would band together and stomp out the country that attacked with a nuke to show that they are serious about not fucking around with nukes
If one country nukes another amd something like that doesn't happen then what's stopping Israel from nuking the middle east and take over?

The nuclear countries are the NWO
Anyone who steps out of line with a nuke should be deleted

>>160431069
>implying that the majority of the industrialized/developed world would actually consider willingly entering into a joint conflict with the USA right now
I wouldn't expect any European backup on this. Even Canada might give them the cold shoulder.

>>160430666
I don't think China would ever let go of a buffer state, Satan.
While they are, indeed, completely integrated in global trade, their position with the US is still of rivalry, albeit a more friendly one, but that's why they still keep the second most funded military.

But I do agree that NK might be concerned with China's stance towards the world, in that China might, some day, pressure NK to open its markets the same way they did themselves, which NK probably would like to avoid at all costs.

>>160420337
If China did ever take action against NK's regime, it'd be by killing them all, taking out their military sites that might partake in reprisals, and then...leaving immediately.

IE, the original plan America had for Iraq.

The difference between the two being that China is cold-hearted enough to actually just abandoned NK's civilian population and shoot any refugees trying to cross their borders on sight, channeling them into SK (which puts the economic burden on them and their US allies, instead).

The odds of China directly taking action is pretty low, though.

>>160431069
This is how children (and troglodyte rubes) think. "Deleting" a country with nuclear weapons in retaliation is like treating a bullet wound by chopping off your toe. a). It's genocide, the US even now just barely gets a pass on the nips and they'd been fighting a lengthy and brutal pacific war and b). the damage to the Earth would be catastrophic. Radiation, even slight atmospheric changes can lead to crop shortages that could end in global famine. It would not only destroy entire economies, but would open the floodgates for dozens of potential resource wars.

>>160431521
Technically the international community can kill every single person in North Korea without it being a war crime because the North Korean gov. mandates that every man, women, child, toddler, infant, etc is enlisted in their armed forces.

>>160418413
>NK nukes Japan
>US nukes NK
>China nukes US
>US nukes China
>Russia nukes US
>Europe nukes Russia
>Pakistan and India Nukes each other

I die from ground waves in a shelter after a nuclear attack on a submarine R&D facility next to my apartment.

>>160432201
You should go live at a research station in the South Pole for the next 6 months like I am soon.

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Honest question, who's the next successor to Kim Jong Un?

I'm just wondering, because if they're just as bad as that fat fuck, then we're gonna have to deal with their bullshit all over again, right?

God, I just hope the the next person in line is someone that isn't a total asshole, somebody that'll finally break the wheel. It's all so tiring to see North Korea occasionally pump up their chest.

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>>160432374
I am betting that nobody would care about rape in last 8 minutes before warheads hit.

>>160420899
>China wants Japan to burn though.
That had always been a lie. Japan is just a good nation to target the hatred to keep the population distracted from domestic failures. In fact the current government wouldn't have won the civil war without the Japanese weakening the Chiang government.

>>160432467
The next one will come from one of his many concubines, whichever one has a son first and doesnt die or get murdered.

>>160432467
I don't think you understand how totalitarian dictatorships work. If Un wasn't a complete ruthless asshole some one, most likely a relative, would've removed him from power for being to weak. Before his ascent to power Kim Jong Un was basically some fat nerd everyone was making fun of, then he gets the throne and finds out that if he doesn't start playing the part either his generals are going to use him as puppet or one of his family is going to poison to take the seat for him self, so he starts purging everyone who's even remotely a threat and starts hamming it up as "The Evil Dictator" to keep everyone in check.

>>160425697
They researched the effects radiation had on human body. Hundreds of japs were examinated by US doctors but without any help nor treating

A third bombing would accelerate the Medium to incredible heights.

>>160432201
>>Russia nukes US

>Implying Russia would suicidally turn a conflict mostly taking place in Asia into WW3 when they could just team up with the US/SK/Japan and take a massive chunk of China to keep for themselves once the war is over

At most they'd sneakily take over a few European countries while everyone is distracted.

>>160418974
NK nuking Japan means immediate retaliation.
NK is basically a child threatening to run away from home because inducing fear is the only power he has.

They're showing off, they will never do anything. This isn't the beginning of another Cold War, North Korea is half of a fucking island while the USSR was the majority of northern Europe, plus China and its colonies. You don't think everybody is prepared to take down the bomb the moment they attempt it?
>>160425319
The moment they do that is the moment every known base of operations is turned to glass.