Why Japan which is considered sexist by American feminist standards

Because there are female writers in the japanese manga and video game industry.

>>160244954
Attractive women of any kind are considered "sexist and unrealistic"

>>160244954
Because Japan embraces the reality that men and women are fundamentally different creatures, working with the fact rather than trying to fight against it when writing characters. Unlike the west, where most attempts to make a (non-femme-fatale-sex-object) 'strong female' character are to strip her of pretty much all her femininity.

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>strong women in the west
>butch, immature dykes with daddy issues

>strong women in the east
>jaded, wordly, tough as nails christmas cakes who got their shit together but are growing pretty weary of living, they might also be lesbians but you wouldn't tell at a glance

Western feminists think women need to become men. Nips don't hold such ridiculous notions.

There's a lot of female writers in Japanese fiction, especially in the adult market.

Hollywood has coasted for a long time on deep pockets and having a golden age 60 years ago. Original entertainment was long ago outsourced to Black musicians and Japanese artists.

>>160244954
Nep is written by a woman too right?

>>160246212
Also drawn by one

Because Japanese female creators helped build the industry and are therefore less insecure and less likely to listen to the whining of people not in their target market.

They can also tell the difference between fiction and reality, which is something many Western feminists seem to have trouble with.

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>>160244954
Different definitions. When it comes to some stories, both western and eastern, the "strong" female ends up getting dominated and attracted to the weaker male who ends up stronger, so people don't see that as true strength. What American feminists want is a modestly-dressed character that is shown to be perfectly capable of handling herself and has her own ambitions as opposed to being a wife/assistant.

There's heavy emphasis on the modestly-dressed part since a vast majority of characters that would fit the criteria would also be seen as mere sex-objects due to their attire or behavior. Given Japan's love for those kinds of outfits, many of their characters are dismissed for being more on the risque side.

>>160246264
That explain a lot about how eastern women think.

The entire strong woman thing is a canard constructed to turn women against families, children, their own natural sexuality, society, and make them into mindless debt slaves and child producers(who'll inevitably raise a child to hate whatever sucker they got to knock them up and force them into whatever social mold the television box/academia tells them)worker bees who'll live long(if they don't get obese or suicide themselves)lonely pittiful lives.

They love being strong, but have no idea what that means other then acting like a man and doing what the business controlled media and dyke academics tell them.

>>160244954
Japan doesn't care about the provably false and destructive equality meme.

What do americans get as strong female in their comics and cartoons?

>>160247519
I didn't know Lazzarato posted on /a/

>>160246945
i want to slap her tits

because asian cultures don't associate the word 'strong' with 'masculine' like america does. in america, being called a woman is an insult, even if you are one. so they're 'sexist' themselves by thinking women need to be like men in appearance or behavior to be strong. to an american feminist, being strong means being completely unfeminine, because they actually believe femininity isn't something that comes naturally to women but just something women do because they're either brainwashed by muh patriarchy or because they're cock hungry slutbags.
also no matter how well a female character is written and how deep and human she is, some american feminist will bitch because 'durr hurr muh male gaze', ignoring that not all men look at the world the same way; especially gay men who don't care how a female character is dressed. also ignores actual lesbians(not the ones who are dykes just because they hate men), and the women who intentionally dress their characters revealing because women have power fantasies too.

rather than bitching about how the industry is sexist, japanese women actually work in the industry and produce stuff. kind of pathetic that a lot of the game and anime that american 'feminists' call 'sexist' are drawn or written by women. (like bayonetta)

>>160247917
>comics
female versions of male superheroes
>cartoons
Steven Universe, because skinny attractive women piss them off

>>160248205
Not to mention that they think any woman that actually enjoys femininity or "male power fantasies" is accused of internalized misogyny

America walks on eggshells when it comes to female characters because no matter what you do, you're practically guaranteed to offend everyone. That's why the only kind of female character you can have in the West is basically variations on Ray from The Force Awakens. Vulnerability, for example, can be perceived as weakness, so depicting a woman as even having moments of vulnerability opens you up to the accusation that you're depicting women as weak.

They're not any more well-written or interesting than Western female characters, (You) just want to fuck them more.

>>160244954
They shouldn't. Even in the west they almost never get it right and, as a result, they sell horribly.

Case in point, look at Marvel comics at the moment. They've shifted to pandering to SJW's and now they consider a "success" to be what was considered an abysmal failure a decade ago when the industry was in freefall.

>>160250010
western comic market was dying 25 years ago, long before any of this current shit going on. huge part of it is business and economic, like the distribution system. still, it's pretty funny that marvel movies make billions and no one buys the comics.
>>160249762
and even then, rey is a 'mary sue' because she's too perfect. you can't win because american feminists don't agree with each other about anything. japan has it right; they do what they want creatively and just say 'that's what I wanted to do as an artist, it's my thing so fuck off.'

Because western feminists are just retards.
>F: We need more women in STEM
>M: What was the problem you specifically had when trying to get into it?
>F: Eh? No, I don't want to be in STEM. What a stupid question, fucking opressive cis shitlord.

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>>160248205
>gay men who don't care how a female character is dressed
hmmm no sweetie

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>>160248205
>women have power fantasies too.
This.

To paraphrase Chaucer, feminism is about treating women as individuals with individual desires.
The Japs who make the stuff we like are already social pariahs, so they're predisposed to individualism.

The one thing to remember is that Japan tends to be a bit more capitalistic in their philosophy than America is. There's also a lot of social pressure about making huge scenes or overly shaming another person in public.

"If you don't like something, don't watch it, don't read it, don't buy it." This tends to be how most Japanese people approach things. If guro/rape/tentacle doujins make them uncomfortable, they don't purchase them and that's the end of the story. If something is bad, people won't buy it or support it and it will eventually vanish on its own.

But in America, if you find something offensive, then instead of simply voting with your wallet you need to raise a big stink. Get on social media or on TV and tell everyone how terrible this thing you don't like is, berate them for enjoying it and do everything you can to have this thing either changed or stop its production entirely. In America it's not about you avoiding something you like, but making sure that nobody who does like it gets to enjoy it.

So this tends to carry over to Japanese media, where you have a lot more people who do their own thing, especially when you start looking at smaller video game companies or light novel authors. They write or produce what they want, and they stay afloat or sink by their own merits. And thanks to social customs, they don't have to worry about a huge public outcry occurring because someone feels they did a poor job representing a character - if anyone was unhappy with the character, then they wouldn't have purchased the product or would simply refrain from purchasing any other products from that author rather than making a big scene about it.

>>160248513
People who think that women who actually appreciate their femininity are misogynists are fucking retarded. I'm a woman and I'm happy with being feminine. Just because I'm not a butch-dyke doesn't suddenly make me a person with the belief that women are all cock-slaves. The SJWs honestly just love making a problem out of nothing.

Cause western feminism is actually all based in insecurity.
>don't make female characters attractive because it makes me feel bad about myself
Actually being competent, capable or a good person always comes second to that.

>>160251429
What sucks even more is the fact that they don't realise that both genders get sexualised in the media anyway. It's just media-culture: shut up and enjoy it or don't consume it.

>>160244954
Feminists are scared of 2D in the same way they are scared of porn. I takes away the power they have over men.

>>160250245
>still, it's pretty funny that marvel movies make billions and no one buys the comics.
It's because movie industry is out of ideas and churns out only shit, that even Marvel stuff seems refreshing and fun.

>>160250612
What the fuck is wrong with America?

>>160246945
I wish Baiken was my mommy-gf

>>160250612

>But in America, if you find something offensive, then instead of simply voting with your wallet you need to raise a big stink. Get on social media or on TV and tell everyone how terrible this thing you don't like is, berate them for enjoying it and do everything you can to have this thing either changed or stop its production entirely. In America it's not about you avoiding something you like, but making sure that nobody who does like it gets to enjoy it.

Yeah, like certain people boycotted the new Star Wars because there it has a female lead and a black guy as a supportive character.

>>160252987
It's the difference between western culture encouraging individualism while japan encourages collectivism. You are more important than the group vs the group is more important than you.

It's not as simple as just saying one is strictly better than the other though. Sure japan doesn't have people throwing hissyfits over everything they don't like, but never complaining about anything leads to shit like 100 hour work weeks with no overtime, rampant bullying and suicide, failing relationships and birthrates.

>>160246212
>>160246264
>>160247246
"B-BUT MUH INTERNALIZED MIS-AW-JOE-NEE!"

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>>160244954
Because Japan often makes the cast of an action series all-female to appeal to a male audience, and in America you can't do that.

Also, pic related

>>160244954
You just answered your own question.

Nips aren't as self-conscious, so "strong and interesting" female characters come more naturally to them.

Ironically, it's the fact that these characters are MEANT to be appealing to both males and females is what makes them succeed more at creating female characters.

>>160253566
>failing birthrates
That's honestly not so bad. Japan is already one of the most overcrowded countries in the world, and people have to pay exorbitant amounts of money to live out of a bathroom stall. Falling birthrates will help to fix a lot of Japan's problems.

>>160253986
It's bizarre to me that pic related assumes that people who argue about this shit have ever heard of Monkey Island. Good niche content has always transcended discrimination politics and always will.

>>160254167
Not a problem now, but when the low pop generation is workforce age and the high pop generation is at retirement, benefit leeching age, there will be a labor/economic crisis.

>>160244954
Will Japan be the last fortress in the world against the SJW?

>>160254167

Only if you don't consider that it places an exorbitant amount of pressure on the younger generations to fund the pension and health care of retiring workers. It's not sustainable, and everyone knows it.

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>implying feminism makes sense at all

>>160254520
>>160254697
They'll fix it with automation.

>>160254649
Remember when the UN was considering trying to implement a ban on depictions of violence against fictional women in video games or movies? They find western feminists to be morons.

http://nichegamer.com/2016/03/01/japanese-representative-refutes-un-suggestion-to-ban-media-depicting-sexual-violence/

>We are absolutely in agreement that the protection of the rights of women in Japan is important. On the other hand, we think it should be carefully and seriously evaluated whether the measures taken to ensure those protections are valid ones or not. If we are asked to consider whether “Protecting Women’s Rights in Japan” requires us to “Ban the Sale of Manga and Video Games Depicting Sexual Violence,” then we must reply that that is an absolute “no.”

>Reason #1 – The so-called sexual violence in manga and video games is a made-up thing and as such does not threaten the rights of actual people; therefore, it is meaningless in protecting the rights of women.

>Reason #2 – In Japan, and especially when it comes to manga, these are creative fields that women themselves cultivated and worked hard by their own hand to create careers for themselves. If we were to “ban the sale of manga that includes sexual violence,” it would do the opposite and instead create a new avenue of sexism toward women.

>There is nothing to be gained from regulating fictional sexual violence. However, while you’re trying to fix the rights of fictional characters, you’re leaving the human rights of real women in the real world left to rot.

>Manga is a field where women have put in their hard work and effort to cut forward paths and cultivate a place of their own. We believe that in order to protect this place from being trampled on, it will need our continued hard work to pass it on to the next generation, and it is this effort that will link to the greater freedom and rights of women.

>>160254906
I remember this and that's why I said >>160254649

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>>160254906

>>160254603
Counterpoint: Tomboys never win.

>>160255187
It's ok because tomboy a shit

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>>160254701
Are you familiar with the horseshoe effect?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

Because Japan was introduced to the term "feminist" from the outside, in Japanese "feminisuto" means "doing things for women" in general.

Japan sees America as a very feminist country... but sees blue-haired SJWs and "Let me open that for you, ma'am. Oh and to show your gratitude you have to have sex with me." as the same mindset on different sides of the political spectrum.

>>160250979
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>>160251807
Even prostitutes hate and fear things like sexdolls because "it's not a REAL woman"

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Western women are brainwashed trash.

>>160244954
Because within even the female community there's xenophobia against Japan, if it's not western it's not right. They're too stubborn to admit wrong and deny that maybe women outside of their influence might be doing something better than them in one regard.

>>160255456
Well, their fears justified, sex doll might kill their income.

>>160244954

>Hey guys lets talk about feminists and a little bit of anime until we end up talking about comics, movies and politics


This is a /v/ tier thread.

>>160253174
Yes, actually. People in the west, regardless of their political position, simply don't know how to enjoy things.

>>160255659
You see through me so well, senpai.

Why does a thread like this have serious replies on /a/?

>>160255713
Fucking newfag.

>>160252987
Too many moralfags on all sides of the political spectrum clutching their pearls here and fighting culture wars to give their empty lives meaning

>>160255713

Crossboardes think that is ok to talk about politics in here.

>>160253566
>It's the difference between western culture encouraging individualism while japan encourages collectivism
"Western culture" isn't monolithic. Most countries counted as part of The West don't take individualism to America's extreme.

Even the UK is a lot more collectivist than the US is.

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>American feminists get angry about Senran Kagura
>the entire dev team for the series is female
>when asked how they feel about their work they say they are proud of it and 'this is how it should be'
>tfw

>>160254603
Left unrealistic
Right realistic
What is your point?

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The hell is this garbage thread. Go somewhere else to complain about petty politics.

>>160256139
If that's true, then the point is that 3D is inferior in every way.

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>>160256139
Point is that left is so much better.

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Why do Japanese women write the best male characters?

>>160256169
>>160256228
Well then those points are stupid and don't have much to do with the thread

>>160254649
Sjw fear is overblown. They're just internet critics. They have no power unless you give it to them. Be like Japan; if you don't like something don't buy it. Giving them attention is what they want.
>>160250467
Not the same as straight guys though
>>160250979
Those women are batshit. "You're wearing a dress? Oh sweetie, you must be such a cock slut. You need to get woke and wear baggy jeans. Do what we tell you; that's liberation."

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>>160256315
Nigger, this is /a/.

>>160250578
>Chaucer
what the fuck

>>160254603
Needs to be updated now that Steven Universe and Star Vs are a thing.

>>160256362
Yes but this thread isn't really so who cares.

>>160256407
What?

>>160256434
Steven Universe and Star Vs are magical inspired shows where feminity is portrayed positively and the male MC of the former is a whiny, girly shit that literally cries half the time. They're also very tumblr pandering have a shitload of problems themselves.

>>160244954
Too bad Neptune is an annoying Mary Sue

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>>160254603
>Americans can't praise one thing without condemning its opposite

Why is this

>>160256434
I don't watch Steven universe, but star vs the forces of evil has a girl mc who is very feminine but also likes beating the shit out of monsters. it's the one western cartoon that contradicts the right side of that picture. She's like an anime character; shows a bit like urusei yatsura but for kids

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>>160256557
Take that back, freak.

>>160256325
>Sjw fear is overblown.
In Japan? Probably. But you shouldn't ever let your guard down.

>>160256557
What's your fucking problem?
Let me guess, you like Noire.

>>160256842
>implying I care about westaboo shit

>>160256842
>But you shouldn't ever let your guard down.

Call me when they actually start killing their politicians again.

Whoever came up with the notion that sexual attraction is diminishing to women should be sent off to the working fields.

>>160257053
>people actually approve of that psycho
Fuck yeah, democracy!

>>160257035
>>160257053
They're like a cancer. Once they spread, you can't get rid of them and they ruin everything. It's hard to imagine Japan falling for this shit because it's so diametrically opposed to their culture, but still they should be careful.

>>160244954
I dunno, I really like tomboyish girls, I'm kinda ok with the direction society is taking.
Just as long as they're not fat. Fat people are scum.

>likeable
There's your mistake.

>>160254603
This chart is the perfect example of reverse-SJW shit. I hope your kind won't start replacing SJWs once their fad dies out.
Keep your shit politics outside of entertainment.

Also, the bottom left point belongs to anime just as much.

>>160245007
>>160245873
>There's a lot of female writers in Japanese fiction

That's not exclusive to Japan at all. There's a shitload of female writers, usually terrible, in western entertainment business.

What causes the difference is not presence of female creators, but their goals and general attitude. Japanese understand that the purpose of entertainment is to entertain, while western female writers tend to focus on preaching on a soapbox and/or shining their own halos of how progressive they are.

>>160256078
Does anyone have this reaction image but with glowing multicolor face? I lost it from my old reaction images when I got a new computer and I always liked that one.

>>160257585
>I lost it from my old reaction images when I got a new computer
How retarded are you?

>>160257461

It's a hundred percent true though.

The western concept of power is so tied to masculinity, especially in the minds of feminists, that they literally cannot comprehend any other way to appear powerful than to act as male as possible, wear male clothes, male hairstyles, etc. The whole concept of femininity is synonymous with weakness in their minds.

>>160257625
Well my harddrive died, and I was over due for a new processor, gpu, etc. So I just upgraded my whole system. If you got a problem with that then let's throw fisticuffs

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>>160257063
This meme is just a poor understanding of the actual issue; most women want to be sexually attractive, but they want to be sexually attractive at their own leisure. There's more to life than just being sexy, that and being sexy isn't appropriate at all times. Life isn't an ecchi comedy.

>>160257135
I don't think Abe is actually a psycho, anon.

>>160257461
>reverse SJW
Anon, what makes a SJW isn't their politics, it's their dogmatism. Nu-conservatives think they're not SJWs because they don't champion progressive causes, but they're just SJWs of traditionalism.

>>160257522
>Japanese understand that the purpose of entertainment is to entertain
>he genuinely thinks Japanese media creators don't have messages attached to their works

Try telling that to Anno or Miyazaki.

>>160257636
>act as male as possible
How does one act like a man? By being interested in anything other than homemaking and childrearing?

Is not just female characters but in general western writers think the only way to write an interesting character is making them smart mouthed ashholes who cannot interact without throwing "witty" comments to each other.

Hahahaha what is this fucking delusion. Nobody ITT has named 1 well written Japanese female character and yet the weeb gloating continues.

You guys should genuinely start to wonder if all that anime and vidya consumption has tainted your perception of good writing, especially if you claim to posit nepshit and bayonetta as 'well written'. Holy shit.

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They are just mad that Japan is culturally appropriating China and Korea while not taking its fair share of Muslims.

>>160257461
This entire thread is basically 'stop interjecting your politics into my hobby! oh also btw let me tell you what my views are on the matter.'

>>160257737
>There's more to life than just being sexy, that and being sexy isn't appropriate at all times. Life isn't an ecchi comedy.
I agree, but why should this be an issue in fiction?

>>160255544
>Female community
I hate you.

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>>160244954
By embracing sexism you're free to make good characters without having to worry about stuff like
>Is this indecent? Does this make her look bad as a woman?
None of that shit matters for fictional characters because they're not real, so the only thing left to do is to make them as entertaining as possible whether that be through fanservice, good writing, or just overall enjoyment for the consumer
If you want to make a strong character then do it, don't give a shit about gender or any of that other miniscule stuff
If the character being strong works the medium they're in given the premise of the world, the rules, the story, and all the development of said character, it works
making a a female character and making them tough or independant does not make them strong, what they do as characters and how they affect the mediums they're in makes them strong, all within the reason of said medium

>>160257786
>the well-written meme
This is such a vague expression I can't even begin to find a counterargument

>>160257786
> and yet the weeb gloating continues.
>implying japanese people are less capable than westerners
That's racist.

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Because they are mad that the Japanese media and entertainment industry has better long term profits while sticking to the same tried and true formula than Western ones which are now subject to the scrutiny of everyone with a social media account and that anything can trigger anyone.

>this thread
>this post>>160257786
Am I on /v/?

>>160257737
>Try telling that to Anno or Miyazaki

Anno and Miyazaki are outliers. And they're mostly laughed at by people who aren't normalfags.

>>160257636
The go-to feminist show in America is literally one where feminity is praised though. It's more like westerners are focused on agenda first and actual characterization second. Case in point: just look at the America Chavez comic Marvel is shitting out (or better yet, don't).

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>>160258092
Classic. Did they ran something to defend pakis as well?

>>160257970
>>160258049
>>160258109

>still haven't named 1
I mean come on, it can't that hard right? I thought muh glorious nip anime writers are so superior to Western writers writers?

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>>160258092
Why send annoying bitches in the first place? Oh yeah, westerners.

>>160258092
>Stacey
>That same interview implied GuP promotes gangrape
My fucking sides

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>>160258175

>>160244954
law of large numbers; the more female characters you make the more likely you are to make a good female character. there are a shitload of poorly made female characters. I'm sure if you organize them all into a ratio it'd be similar.

>>160258178
Gotta distract the british public from all their famous pedophile celebrities and elected politicians diddling kids.

>>160258141
You have to retarded to think the Japanese reported crime rates are accurate, or you're one of those obsessive edgy fags who hates his own country and puts Japan on some kind of pedestal.

>>160258128
>just look at the America Chavez comic Marvel is shitting out (or better yet, don't).
She looks hot though.

Because they don't feel the need to make their 'strong female' characters look or act like men, or absolute caricatures of 'strong wymyn'.

Women also actually write often enough in JP entertainment. Write, not micromanage. Not whine about something being offensive.

In my region of Canada, recently a horror film expo had an advertisement that showed two barely dressed women tied up and afraid. This was claimed to 'glorify' sexual violence, as if doing the same with men or actually showing a pair of disembodied men wouldn't be 'glorifying violence'. There are no 'strong women' in Western media, just insecure, weak women overly concerned with having an image and ego of strength (e.g., "im fearless!" "im invincible" etc.) By doing this, they dehumanize themselves. They are essentially clinging to a standard of masculinity and appropriating it, while also criticizing it.
Holy fucking shit, it's all a huge mess of actual doublethink.

>>160258245
Even if you QUADRUPLED japan's rates they're still significantly lower

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>>160257954
Do you really want every piece of fiction to revolve around sex?

I mean, look at pic related. Sure the characters are cute, but that's not what the story revolves around. That's what separates well-placed sexuality from the blandness of sexual objectification; we don't forget that the characters are sexual beings, but we also realize that's not all they are.

>>160258128
>outliers
And their works are the ones that will be remembered, not Random High School Ecchi Comedy #551.

>>160258248
The character is drawn to be aesthetically pleasing, but the writing is poor. Sex appeal is not enough to make a character well-written.

>>160258306
How many times are you going to make the same fucking post?

>>160258245
Even if you claim that jap crime rates are 100% made up, there is enough research that shows that the legality of porn decreases sexual assault.

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>>160258245
You have to be equally retarded to think western crime rates are accurate.
The point of that pic still stands, the west is a violent shithole compared to Japan.

>>160258367
>How many times are you going to make the same fucking post?
I only made it once

>>160258367
>That's what separates well-placed sexuality from the blandness of sexual objectification
Jesus could you be any more of a pussy

>>160258367
>Do you really want every piece of fiction to revolve around sex?
Of course not, but I also want fiction that focuses on sex to have the right to exist.

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>>160258367
Go be a fucking woman someplace else.

>>160258367
You sound like a huge tool.

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>>160258175
Name one "well-written" non-capeshit western female character, and then we'll talk.

>>160258248
>dumb beaner
>hot

>>160258608
Cersei Lannister

>>160258456
Could you be any more of a faggot?

>>160258457
I can agree with that.

>>160258600
Tools are useful, anon.

>>160258367
>And their works are the ones that will be remembered, not Random High School Ecchi Comedy #551.


Popularity don't mean shit, nigga. Naruto will probably be remembered too, but that doesn't mean anything.

>>160258351

They literally had to add female only compartments on trains in Japan, and police drop rape charges all the time if they feel like it's too much trouble to pursue, you cannot convince even yourself that Japan is some safe feminist haven.

>>160258402
Don't think there's any evidence showing legal child porn decreases sexual abuse outside spurious correlation.

>>160258423
Sounds like your judgement is clouded by your biases. The police and government in the West are under a lot more scrutiny than Japan, where the society there is almost 1984ish.

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>>160258664
>Rape of Thrones

>>160258683
>Tools are useful
Only for the one using them. Who's using you?

>>160258755
>They literally had to add female only compartments on trains in Japan
Wow almost like they actually try to solve problems instead of pretending they don't exist and blaming the patriarchy.

>>160258608
>deflection
It's ok I already know Japanese cannot into good writing, I just wanted to rustle some weeb jimmies.

>>160258664
>well-written
>power hungry and kills everyone
/tv/fags, everyone.

>>160258248
Have you seen the writing? It makes most haremshit and ecchi anime look like a sacred cow.

Also if you're a man, then the writer and artist want you to check your privilege.

>>160258840
Hey wait I thought Japan didn't have a problem? Never seen anyone move goalposts that quickly.

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>>160258755
Right, the west would never hide crimes from the population. Especially when it comes to big international pedo rings.

Why is this thread still alive?

>>160256630
This
Why is this thread even on /a/? This is tangentially related to anime

>>160258915
Because the mods are asleep.

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>>160258684
Popular or no, some works gain critical acclaim for reasons of merit.

>>160258781
The Chinese.

>>160258865
Likability =/= well written

That being said, since it's GOT, she probably got that way from being raped and abused by men, because that's how most westerners write women.

>>160258897
Now we're getting into some /x/-tier straw grasping, fucking kek. Go ahead and dump your /pol/ infographics and YouTube vids about these crazy undercover pedo rings while avoiding the main subject.

>>160258664
>shit von shit

>>160258933
>she probably got that way from being raped and abused by men, because that's how most westerners write women
King Robert (her husband) did beat her up, but she was already a shit person long before they got married.

>>160258930
Then wake them up.
>>160258933
She actually had an incestuous relationship with her twin brother and all her sons are his instead of the king's, whose real son got aborted by her. I won't say if it's good or bad writing, I'm just explaining her backstory while waiting for the mods to delete this shit thread.

>155 posts in and everyone's too afraid to name 1 (one) single well written Japanese character

Pathetic

inb4 more deflecting

Jesus the cognitive dissonance when it comes to Japan ITT
Why do people like to put it on a pedestal above their own country, Jesus.

>>160259035
>Then wake them up.
Do I look like Moot to you?

>>160258664
Since you set the bar INCREDIBLY low:

Kuroko Koumouri
Shiki Ryougi
The Major
Pope Maximus Ariels
Sir Integra Hellsing
*insert characters from Magical Girl anime here*
Fuck, I'll even say most everyone from Senran Kagura are well written by comparison

>>160258248
Yeah, but there are a billion and one aesthetically pleasing cartoon characters.
And the vast majority of them aren't special snowflake horrifyingly unlikeable man hating bulldykes.

>>160259049
>Why do people like to put it on a pedestal above their own country, Jesus.
Try spending a week in a third world country and you will see why.

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>>160259046
The meme octopus hair girl and her girlfriend.

>>160259046
"Well written" is a spook.

>>160259090
I live in the Third World too friendo

>>160259049
Most of /a/ are social outcasts ie NEETs, autists, etc. It's their way of sticking it to their own people who they were alienated from, by cheering for another country that would likely have rejected them too.

>>160257786
Okay, I'll start. Balsa Yonsa.

>>160259035
>>160259030
Oh wow, I'm literally chuckling at this.

Fuck man, even ecchi characters better written then that. And people call anime degenerate? This shit is arguably the most popular show on TV!

>>160244954
american feminists are fucking retarded and the fact that you CARE what they think is a mistake.

>>160258755
>They literally had to add female only compartments on trains in Japan,
Equivalents exist in the west and have for a long time. We have parking spaces for women, and sexual harassment was always a big topic. The anti-rape condom is a western invention as well. Does that make the west a hell hole for females where they will be raped at every step? Nope, that's just feminist delusion.

>Don't think there's any evidence showing legal child porn decreases sexual abuse outside spurious correlation.
I don't know about cp, but it's pretty sure for normal porn. The whole sexual liberation in the second half of the 20th century lead to decrease of sex crimes and violence. Of course pedos are all psychos and normal results don't apply to them.

>The police and government in the West are under a lot more scrutiny than Japan, where the society there is almost 1984ish.
The police in the west is more likely to bury sex crimes on a massive scale, see UK child rapes. 1984 was written by a brit who felt the ever-rising suppressive nature of UK government, and combined it with stalinism, both which are glorious western culture. If you want to claim a contemporary dystopia, maybe look at the USA: cops kill niggers casually, and the president is a literal raging retard who could fire nuclear missiles into politically unstable regions any time.

>>160259103
>>160259114

So much deflecting. Why are you so afraid to name a single character you personally find to be well written? Because you're afraid on getting called out on your shit taste on an anonymous imageboard? Holy shit that's sad.

>>160258964
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089
Nothing to see here, nope. No kids are being diddled 24/7 in secret by powerful people, nah that's just crazy talk. The UK in particular has no history of pedo rings or named documents going missing, everything is fine and don't you dare use google.

Fucking retard, I bet you're thinking pizzagate or whatever when that's not even the subject or the initial point of the picture that started this.

>>160254906
Also that interview with the character designer of GuP where a BBCuck woman try to force western idealism and he's not amused.

>>160244954
Western feminists deep down have penis envy and hate themselves for being women. Therefore, although masculinity is inherently evil it's okay for a woman to be masculine as it "cancels out" the original sin of having a Y chromosome.

Eastern feminists were about "stop treating us like literal subhuman livestock" and they got what they wanted

>>160259138
You haven't read the books or even watched the show. Your opinion is literally worthless.
>>160259071
Nice memes.

>>160259049
This is 4chan and we're on /a/ of all places, newfag. My God why did the US elections have to open the flood gates to filth like you.

>>160259183
Because they see through your obvious bait.

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how come everyone says that anime girls are better than /co/ and /tv/ shit, but then when asked for examples it's always the same """strong female warriors""" that's basically the exact same as /co/ shit?

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Do I need to start an off topic dump to get this shit deleted?
>>160259051
>Do I look like moot to you?
You look like a huge fag, so yes.
>>160259046
You've been asked to provide your standards for what a well written character is and you've yet to do it.
>>160259138
The show's pretty good and she's a heel so you're supposed to hate her.

>>160259183
>are you so afraid to name a single character you personally find to be well written?
But I just did, they're right there in the picture.

>>160259248
>Do I need to start an off topic dump to get this shit deleted?
Dump lewd lolis.

>>160259232
You asked, I answered.

>You haven't read the books or even watched the show. Your opinion is literally worthless.

An edgy TV show where women regularly get beaten and raped isn't exactly my idea of a good time.

>>160259240
Chino and co. are too pure to be tainted by this shit thread.

That being said they're better written than most /co/ and /tv/ women

>>160259248
Just let the thread run its course, I'm having too much fun right now.

>>160259240
How come you can't even shitpost properly.

>>160259235
Calling someone a newfag is the best way to spot a newfag
sage for this pathetic thread

>>160259237
>it's bait to discuss writing in anime
wew when did this board turn so shit

>>160259248
My standards are simple anon, I'm looking for something better than Balsa the Mary Sue or two melodramatic high school girls with first world problems. I can't believe those were serious responses.

>>160259419
>no u
Cry me a river. Go play pretend on /qa/ by asking for visible sage.

>>160259046
Rin from the recent UBW anime
Basically every chick in Xam'd.
Morbito
Bulma
Battle Angel Alita
Panty and Stocking
Rukia Kuchiki
The antagonist from the first story in the memories movie. The opera singer.
Fay Valentine
Mako from Kill la Kill.

>>160259474
Did the TV broadcast show as much?

>>160259500
>Bulma
>Rukia
Lel

>>160259500
>he's so insecure about his perceptions of well written females that he has to continuously deflect and troll to avoid confronting his shit taste

kek fucking pathetic.

>>160259500
>Tohsaka Anus
wew lad. At least use Arturia the Mary Sue.

>>160259457
>2017
>using Mary Sue unironically

Nigga, you either trollin' or stupid

>>160259604
Boku no Newfag.
go home >>>/r/eddit

>>160259046
These girls >>160259588

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>>160259604
>>160259617
Lurk the fuck more.

>>160259608
Still better than anyone from fucking Rape of Thrones. Also

>Mary Sue

>>160259578
And?
I'm waiting.
Is it because they're fully realized three dimensional important heroines, not the toughest beasts on the planet, and are heterosexuals?

>>160256362
Could've fooled me. I thought I accidentally clicked on /v/ again.

Tell me, why the fuck are we having this conversation on /a/ then? The west doesn't produce any anime or manga.

If sex and sexualization is violence to women, then isn't sexual liberation and the right to dress like a slut institutionalized violence against women?

I never understood it. Even Islam makes more sense. They claim that covering women hair protects them from men.

>>160259673
Rin is the epitome of shit writing, can't tell if you're just baiting.

>>160259662
>>160259682
This can barely be called lewd. Do you want this thread deleted or not?

>>160259711
At least make an attempt to hide from the fact that you obviously browse /v/.

>>160259049
Is it opposite day? Overly shitting on Japan seems to be the norm amongst the neo-/a/ crowd, desperately trying to distance themselves from the country in all ways other than anime. You can tell they haven't even bothered coming up with their own opinion, just repeating posts they've seen before. Typical examples are passing mentions of fax machines, muh dark figures, birth rates. And if they're nice enough to include a source to what they're claiming, it's usually Japan Times, Rocketnews or similar garbage. It's like they don't realize you can praise a country without thinking it's some perfect dreamland. Probably it's just some defense mechanism so they don't have to worry about being perceived as a weeb. Like any country Japan has problems, but it still is one of the least shitty countries I can think of.

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>>160259706
Help dumping any lewd webms you've got.
>>160259750
I'm just dumping everything in my webm folder.

>>160259662
Nevermind, found it.
>Illya pedoshit yuribait
What a huge disappointment.

>>160259760
This topic in itself is /v/

>>160259674
Well, Rukia is a bit of a jobber.

Bulma, however, proves you don't have to be a warrior to be a "strong female character". She's the one that provides most of the tech and common sense since day 1.

>>160259764
>Typical examples are passing mentions of fax machines, muh dark figures, birth rates.
You forgot the war crimes.

>>160259706
Ask the OP.

>>160259738
See that's where most people misunderstand, feminism just want sexual liberation for "real women" i.e. unattractive and jealous fat fucks anything actually attractive is considered evil and sexist.

>>160259777
True. Janitor's being a shitbag today it seems.

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>>160259768
What the fuck did you expect?

>>160259674
No it's more like neither of those characters are anything more than cardboard after thoughts that aren't even relevant in their own media. Try again.

>>160259674
>and are heterosexuals?
Pretry much.

>>160259764
>Probably it's just some defense mechanism so they don't have to worry about being perceived as a weeb.
Yes. Either they feel guilty about liking Japan, or they felt tricked by an initial overly positive perception of Japan. Call it the weeb version of Paris Syndrome.

Most likely they're just shitposting retards, though.

>>160259741
Compared to most western female characters though?

>>160259807
Can't say I blame'em

>>160259764
This isn't /jp/ you dumb autist, you can like anime without worshipping Abe and shitty Jap culture. Even the nips making your favorite anime constantly shoehorn messages of how awful it is to live there for an average nip and you still can't take a hint.

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>>160259853
Stop replying to the bait.

>>160257737
I laughed so hard while reading your bullshit, kek. But I feel disgusted as well.
Just judging by the way you write, you're surely a female or a faggot. In both possibilities, go back to Facebook.

>>160259764
This.

>>160259893
>Japan must be s shit hole because I heard some bad things about it
Watch the local news on TV. Justify how you can live in your current country.

>>160259893
You can also like anime without shitting on Japan because of Filthy Frank's videos

>>160259897
is this anime good? I never read the game because it sounded too edgy, but with extras like this it can't be bad.

>>160259897
>all ecchi anime is about big tits
I want to die.

>>160259938
>taking the middle ground
Now why would anyone want to do that?

>>160259934
It is a lot better where I live than Japan, I can tell you that. I know this because I have friends who live there or used to live there. Unless you live there too, I wonder where you get this glorious image of the country. I hope you aren't one of those deluded by media.

>>160260013
Where do you live?

>>160259940
>>160259993
You should be finding that out by yourself instead of asking dumb fucking questions.

>>160259783
>Well, Rukia is a bit of a jobber.
So. Krillian is a fucking jobber. Doesn't mean he wasn't a fully realized entertaining and well written part of DB(not DBS that shit is trash)
If you equate wins vs losses during fights and fighting prowess to being a good charcter then you're not looking for a strong character. You're looking for a tough heroine.
Two completely different things.

>Bulma, however, proves you don't have to be a warrior to be a "strong female character". She's the one that provides most of the tech and common sense since day 1.
Exactly.
And her contributions to the plot in terms of common sense tech and being one half of Trunks aren't the only thing that makes her a good character.

It seems like a lot of this "strong female character" stuff boils down to "what can she as a person bring to the story". A sort of low self esteem I think.
Hmm.
I think I'm going to use that to talk a few female empowerment types into deepthroating me 9x6 dick.

>>160259828
Stick to your /u/ porn and trash TUFF WIMMINZ BEATING UP DUDES AND BEING THE BESTEST media.
You obviously have some problems you need to work out and think that a woman who isn't the lead or the bestest of the best isn't worth shit.

>>160259830
Ah, of course.
My mistake.
I keep forgetting who often brings this topic up.

>>160259897
But he's just so pathetic

More importantly; is that from Koihime Musou?

>>160260013
>I get my information from disappointed weebs
Kill yourself. I'm not saying that Japan is a paradise. Like every country it has its good and bad sides. I wouldn't want to live in Japan, but I wouldn't want to live in the USA either.

>>160260038
>Grisaia

...oh

>>160260041
Stop trying to defend hetshit, yuri's superiority is in everyone's eyes.

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>>160260053
>not wanting to live in the best country in the world.

>most yuri ecchi scenes are from yuribait shows
Why does Japan do this?

>>160259232
>muh terrible genre fiction!!!

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>>160260155
Girl on girl action is far more appealing that ugly men and their dicks. I do accept feminine dicks though.

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>>160260124
>everyone's eyes
The majority of the population is straight.
Boys were made to love girls and vice-versa. No amount of self hatred for having a dick is going to change that, /u/fag.

>>160260041
You literally choose a character who was nothing more than a ditzy eye candy for one series and an irrelevant side side side side character if not really just an extra that makes an occasional cameo in all the other series. There's almost nothing there to criticize or praise.

Admit that you're just naming small characters because they're safe picks and you're still afraid to name any one that might expose your complete lack of understanding on what good writing is. Unless you genuinely respond with 'Bulma' when people ask you what a well written character is, in which case you should probably read some more books or something.

>>160260196
This is my favorite 2D picture.

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>>160260041
Well I'd hesitate to call anyone from Bleach "fully realized" or "well-written". But you're right about Bulma.

Also, you are trash and I hope you get killed messily

>>160259046
Anemone. An abused female character that isn't so memetically terrible as everything else one sees in the grimdark trash released in Burgerland.

>>160258092
>Mombot
He has a point sometimes, but I still fucking hate his guts for being an obnoxious RPer.

>>160260205
>Bulma
>ditzy
>side side side character

Nigga, you haven't read Dragon Ball in years, have you?

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>>160260184
>>muh terrible genre fiction!!!
My bad, /lit/.

I'm learning a lot from this thread. Things that you don't expect from an anime and manga board.

>>160250245
If DC's sales weren't doing so well I'd say you had a point.

>>160259046
The class prez from Centaur's Worries.

>>160260205
I'm not the person you're arguing with.
But it's quite fucking clear that you don't want well written "strong" female characters. Whatever strong is supposed to mean in this instance.
You want to catch me in a gotcha so you can pretend you're winning some argument.
You want to protect the notion that a "strong woman" is this mythical fantasy that can never be attained or created thus you can eternally bitch from a position of safety.
That's what you want.

I tell you what.

Put up or shut up.
Show me some "strong" heroines form anime and manga. Not super physically capable or whatever. Fully fleshed out compelling and enjoyable characters.

I'll wait.

>>160260196
Well, 7 billion wrongs don't make one right. It's pretty clear nature fucked up at some point, because girls obviously belong with other girls. Yuri is simply the epitome of perfection, no amount of dirty hairy apes, also known as men, can change that.

>>160260287
Like what?

>>160257737
>Nu conservative being SJWs
on both sides they should just be called culture warriors. This shit has been going on as long as I can remember. Left and right bitching about other people not living to their morals. Everyone should just stfu and do what they want and not care.
>how does one act like a man?
lot of women in animedon't give a shit about kids or homemaking. the point is they're allowed to care about apperance and have long hair and wear skirts. certain tumblr types have a fucking hernia if a girl isn't wearing pants and has short hair. Ryoko from KLK is very tomboy and acts like a tough delinquent boy. /a/ loves her. Sailor Moon was(is) very popular with women and girls. It's what got me into anime. They were allowed to both be pretty and kick ass and be friends and have flaws and chase after boys. If that shit was made by tumblr today, they'd all be wearing cargo pants instead of skirts, one of them would have half her head shaved, and one of them would be fat.
>>160258175
>name 1 well written female anime character
entire cast of sailor moon
entire cast of madoka magica
sakura kinomoto
tomouyo daidouji
risa haayes
makoto kusanagi
utena tenjou
anthy himemiya
nanami kiryuu
juri arisugawa
kei & yuri (original dirty pair)
princess tuti / duck
every ghibli & miyazaki girl
teresa & claire from claymore
michiko(michiko to hatchin)
ryoko (KLK)
nearly every woman in FMA (minus maybe Lust, who's not even human so who knows if she counts)
MC from Moribito
Noriko(Gunbuster)
akana & yayoi from psychopass
cast of princess jellyfish
misato katsuragi
most shingeki no kyojin characters
lain
I could go on, but you get the point. youcan nitpick some of these but they exist

>>160260209
More then likely I will.
But not before I've used my massive cock to turn the cunt of some freshly mindfucked man hating feminist dyke into a pulsating, creamy slighly bloody semen dripping murder scene.

I'll post pics of the unconscious fuckmeat on my facebook page.

>>160245607
woah

>>160260406
Why is there no good Mashiro doujin? Only garbage like the one you posted.

>>160260424
/pol/? /r9k/? Or just a faggot?

>>160260285
You don't seem to understand, do you, Mr. Reddit?

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>>160260406

>>160260491
why not all 3?

>>160260287

Really? This is only reminding me that since late 2014, right wing SJWs have been way more obnoxious than their counterparts on the left.

>>160260534
I require proof. I've searched all of ex already. They are all bad.

>>160260424
I'll be sure to enjoy the pictures of your remains once you kill yourself after being cucked by a dyke.

>>160260491
Calling me a sexist, loser, and attacking my sexuality.

Did I make you randy, baby?
Are you tingling a bit?

>>160260575
>not liking nalvas

>>160260575
There are 3 Mashiro doujins. If you didn't enjoy either Nalvas of Studio Tar, then you're a homosexual.

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If you post you're waifu the mods will wake up.

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>>160244954
Just because strong females are in anime it still means it's fiction.

>160260598
>attacking my sexuality
don't even bother giving this newfag the (you)'s he wants

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>>160260598
>2017
>having a sexuality

>>160259049
No, I'm putting Japan above just the democrat states of America and the entire Europe except Poland, not my own country.

>>160260596
I honestly don't think you understand what cucking means.
I also think you're one of those sad loser(ette)s who constantly post that made up dyke cucking story over and over and over again.

But when I kill myself, it won't be over some tomboy lez clam jousting piece of pussy I manipulated turned out and made into daddy's sweet and "pampered" little girl for a few months.

It's going to be from my crushing depression. Shot of morphine, seat facing the sun set, shotgun blast under my chin while 90's rock music plays in the background.

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>attacking my sexuality

What do you think of Male Valkyries?

>>160260746
No one cares, Elliot.

>>160260727
>Poland
Kek

>>160259375
Good posters don't shitpost.

>>160260648
But the same is true in the west according to SJWs.

>>160260340
You haven't been following this thread have you. This entire thread had been nothing but 'lel muh nip writers are so superior to Western writers!!' and then when asked to prove this all I got were mary sues, strong warrior women, cardboard females with overdramatic backstories and just a bunch of utter shit. It only proved to me that /a/ (or I guess I should say /v/ since that's what it looks like around here) doesn't actually know what they're talking about and just wanted to vent their shitty political/social beliefs into their favorite echo chamber and get approval from anonymous strangers on the internet.

That's what this entire thread has been. Oh plus there's this one guy posting shitty webms because he wants this thread deleted so he can return to the cancerous This is your X for tonight threads in the catalog.

>crushing depression
>wants to turn a lesbian into his daddy's girl
how is someone too beta enough to get a straight girl going to even talk to a tomboy dyke without getting his tiny dick kicked in?

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>>160260908

>>160260908
You are so mad right now.

>>160260908
>I don't like the examples you gave me, so they are shit.

>>160260908
>still using the term "mary sue" in fucking 2017

Also if anything, western "strong female characters" are full of the things you just mentioned.

>>160260908
>overdramatic
Back to r/eddit

>>160261030
>you can't use old popular terms
?

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>>160260908

>>160260826
Enjoy your immigrants and Sharia law. Poland will have none of that.

>>160260908
>mary sue
>a term from WESTERN fiction

>>160260908
I too can dismiss your opinion by saying it's shit.

>>160260804
Who?

>>160260927
Straight girls are easy.
Bi girls are easier.
Actual lesbians are relatively challenging, but almost none are good looking enough or worth the effort. It's more of a...ego thing.
Pounding out a chick who only does chicks so thuroughly and so well that I completely own that pussy? Epic.
Bonus points if I get her to cheat on her girlfriend/wife.

>>160261226
>muh muslim boogeymen
>muh degenerate blue atate

>>160260908
Still waiting.

>>160261310
*blue states

>>160259336
Cocoa is better written than Chino. Chino is only an object of the elder sisterly love Cocoa wants to display. Maybe to prove to her elder sister that she can be as great a big sister to someone.

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>>160260905
My guess is how normal it is to show off sexuality every where in japan than the money. That stuff piss them off a lot.

>>160261167
"Mary Sue" much like "edgy" has been twisted into a buzzword that lost all its meaning. Now it's just used as a shorthand for "character I don't like"

>>160260908
Don't you love it when the baiter is the one who gets mad?

>>160261376
>that thumnail
>>>/mlp/

>>160261310
What's your point?

>>160261402
Really?

>>160261376
Global Rule 15, faggot.

>>160261390
So mad, he ignored every example given to him because his ass is in so much pain.

>>160261402
That's just Stocking, anon.

>>160261402
Damit sorry

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Best female character coming through.

>>160261319
Not him but there can no fucking names, because everyone here can (and, I'll bet my ass, most definitely WILL) dismiss them as shit, edgy, etc.

>>160261455
>ignored every example
You know who also ignores every example? Feminists and SJWs

>>160261506
You mean my onahole.

>>160261524
Not speaking for the feminist OP but I will try to listen to reason. Can't help you if cite someone like Rukia, though. I'm blindly biased against casualbait shows.

>>160261524
The fact that they didn't try says that they only want to bitch and win an argument. That's it.
Fuck em.

>>160261724
>Casual bait
>Muh taste is more obscure and thus better then yours.

We get it. You're an idiot.

>in the west, strong female characters are always portrayed as victims of men who are strong because have defeated men
lel

>>160261842
We did. You just ignored them like a fucking moron.

>>160261842
>Muh taste is more obscure and thus better then yours.
I did not say that. I mean I can't agree or refute you when it comes to shows I already don't like. You're awfully defensive when it comes to the subject of conceptual women, though. Very postmodern.

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>>160256139
>right
>realistic
Is this what kids actually think these days? It sounds like you were raised in liberal schools where dressing and acting like a girl is discouraged. West Coast burger spotted.
You need to be 35 to post on 4chan kiddo.

>>160244954
>"strong female" characters
Pic unrelated then.

>>160262193
Nep is female and she is strong. Do you have brain problems?

>>160262193
He never said it was

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>>160244954
A strong female in anime would be someone like Madoka, who embodies pure kindness and absolute good. Or like Neptune who slacks off but cares deeply about her people and is always as strong as she needs to be for their sake.
The definition of strength in the west feels more self absorbed. Kind of hard to explain but you could see it with shit like Frozen where everyone would see Elsa as the strong character and completely ignored her sister.

>>160262271
>Nep is female
True.
>she is strong
Being an annoying bitch does not make you a strong independent woman. Now fuck off.

>>160262303
Well she is strong, normally not independent but becomes so when in her goddess form, and she definitely don't need no man.

>>160244954
America tries too hard. Japs don't care about feminist shit, so rather than being concerned with making a "strong female" they focus on just making a good character.

>>160262041
Are you the person I was talking too?
Was I talking to a We?
No.

Hit the fucking trail then cunt.
That idiot has to back up their bullshit with some fucking examples.

>>160262073
uh huh...