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>Vampire Knight >tragic "muh true love died but at

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>Vampire Knight
>tragic "muh true love died but at least I have his child now" ending
>author makes sequel
>heroine is married, fucked, and impregnated by the love triangle's loser

Why do shoujo mangaka have such large, gargantuan balls compared to their shounen counterparts?
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>>160024201

I actually never finished this manga, who won the childhood friend or the ancestor.childhood friend was better
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>>160024299
Ancestor impregnated her, died. Childhood friend orbited until her daughter grew up and then married her, had a kid. After some years childhood friend is killed and then she kills herself to bring back ancestor.

New series is ancestor's daughter + her half brother telling ancestor stories about how he'd been cucked.
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>>160024380
>Ancestor impregnated her

Now I remember why I dropped it.
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>>160024496
Shoujo love triangle manga are best read after completion, once you've read who wins.
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>>160024201
>author makes sequel
But why
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Speaking of vampire shoujo, did Junketsu + Kareshi end okay or did it just become a Japanese bootleg Twilight?
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>>160024822
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>>160024201
I've never been so mad reading a manga. Kaname is such a fucking faggot.
Zero was easily best boy
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>>160024201
Some women like the fantasy of being desired by all the hot guys + bad shojo angst

I hated this crapfest so fucking much, but it was funny to see the fans explode when you called it anime Twilight
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>>160024969
>Some women like the fantasy of being desired by all the hot guys + bad shojo angst
No shit, but the same goes for men. Yet we still get series where the waifu dies and the MC spends the rest of his life moping like some fuckface nu-male instead of knocking up the other girl, let alone having children with both the original waifu and the 2nd place finisher.
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>>160024969
>the fans explode when you called it anime Twilight

But it came out before twilight, so twilight is the western vampire knight.
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I loved how much of a cunt Zero was.
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>>160024201
Because shoujo is not about what men want. It's about what women want.

Guys want pure virginal waifus. Girls want bishies to fuck them.
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>>160024380
>ancestor's daughter + her half brother + ancestor

Incest? picked up.
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>>160024201
I always liked the Ancestor the best. I still remember when we first found out they were related. What a wild ride.
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>>160025141
Yeah thst's why I said angst. Male fantasy usually have all the girls impregnated instead of cucking one and then forcing her to raise a kid that's not her. That kind of shitty trope is more shoujo than loser guy harem.
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>>160025269
Nigga I don't want to be a homeless bum either.
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Because the core themes in shoujo are generally based on more realistic things, so it's both more appealing and appalling, depending on where you stand on romance cliches.
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>>160024201
I've never read or watched this but I've always been kind of interested. It sounds like a hilarious trainwreck, and I say this as someone who loves shoujo melodrama.
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Vampire Knight is the worst thing ever.

Can't believe it got a sequel.
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>>160025141
Bitches like the idea that they have such a massive impact upon their man's life that if she dies or leaves that no other woman will ever take her place and he'll fall apart or die without her.

Gets their pantsu all soaked and vanished.
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>>160025412
>That kind of shitty trope
Harem endings are shit unrealistic writing and should probably take a page from shoujo's book. You've actually got a lot of historical precedence for legal wives to raise the children of mistresses.
>>160025278
Nah, his daughter used to be in love with the guy that cucked him, so the only thing remaining would be yaoi with the offspring of said cucking.
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>>160025539
>legal wives to raise the children of mistresses.
Bunny Black is great.
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>>160024201
Vampire Knight was fucking awful. I don't thing it's possible to put more retarded forced drama in a manga.

>author makes sequel
I'd rather poke my balls with a soldering iron, or read twilight
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>>160025764
>read twilight
This is just from what I know after reading the parody easter egg from TW3, but doesn't Twilight end up with her being in love with the werewolf but pregnant with the vampire's child? That seems worse.
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>>160025454
>hilarious trainwreck
if by hilarious you mean infuriating then yes
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>>160025829
Well at least Twilight characters take breaks from angsting from time to time.
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>>160024201
Oh fuck, this got a sequel? My sides.
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>>160025829
Nah, she's in love and pregnant with the vampire's child, but the werewolf ends up falling in love with their newborn baby via some imprinting bullshit.
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>>160025956
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SquaringTheLoveTriangle

It's a pretty common trope.
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>>160025829
Twilight is more or less a vampire fanfic, you can't really take it seriously unless you're a 13 year old girl. What makes Vampire Knight worse is that it actually has some okay writing, but the author chose to make every character an insufferable self-hating piece of shit and insist that you empathize with them.
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>>160024201
Who in their right mind would greenlight a sequel? Didn't the author manage to piss off just about everyone with the ending?

Or is this the second coming of HYD and Japan's shit taste is at work again?
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>>160024201
At least no Truck
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>>160026340
>Who in their right mind would greenlight a sequel?
People who wanna make mad ¥¥¥?
The sequel makes it so the other guy wins anyways.
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>>160024201
At least we got the Aidou x Sayori parts from it. Those are pretty much the only parts I give a shit about in the sequel.
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>>160026340
It's basically Negima/UQ Holder for girls. Sequel only came 2 years after the original ended, and has better writing, but since the end of the first was so shit it is doomed to be shit as well.
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incest is the purest form of love
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seinen vampire knight is worse
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>>160025141
Hey fuck you, Roman deserved his girl.
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>>160027818
God, I hated the MC in Comet Lucifer, literally anyone else would make for a better protagonist.
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>>160026675
My nigga. They're the only reason I'm reading the sequel.

Every chapter included the the main trio and their fucking boring angst and love triangle. I hoped Zero would get away from the toxic brothers and get with Maria, even though she loved his brother, but nope.
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>>160027963
Even this man?
I loved this waifufag so much.
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>>160028215
Literally anyone besides the actual protagonist.
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Japan can only make decent ending once in a blue moon. Be it manga or anime most of the time I end up feeling like taking a dump would be more interesting
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I remember this vaguely
Who won in the end? I remember the girls brother and some other silver haired guy were after her but that's all.
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>>160029107
Read the thread nigga.
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It was shit.
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>>160024380
>how he'd been cucked
According to OP's summary, how did he get cucked? On the contrary, the silver haired guy had to see how the girl he liked choose another faggot first and even had his child, only to get his chance after insisting like a retard and after her loved one died.

The only thing he got was the leftovers of the previous guy.
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>>160030247
To add to this, she made Zero wait 50 years or something after Kaname died before she even considered him.
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>>160030306
Pffff....this is more pathetic than you average shonen harem protagonist.
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>>160030306
>>160030247
So? Zero had sex with her way more, spent way more time with her, and she killed herself when he died.
Obviously it'd be considered cucking stories if you went into a coma and woke up learning that your wife bred with someone else and is dead now because she wanted to follow that someone else. Especially if he was the same nigger you (from your pov) just btfo in a love triangle.
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>>160030477
>she killed herself when he died.
She didn't, she waited a long time before killing herself.
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>>160030477
I thought she just went to sleep so Kaname could live as a human and would come back when Kaname dies of old age.
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>>160030542
>>160030576
I don't know, op seems to imply "following him in death. The fact that they were together far longer and had a more established relationship doesn't change either waythough.
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>>160030477
>Zero had sex with her way more
Still he came in second and got the previous guy's leftovers as prize for his "perseverance". He was just a second choice, a second alternative for the main girl to resort to and nothing more. The only winner is the one who arrives in first place.
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>>160030247
Because the dude was essentially comatose and never officially broke up and she got pumped full of another man's semen. Cuckolding isn't a 4-dimensional art based on an objective merit:pathos system.
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>>160030858
Yeah keep telling yourself that while you pay your ex-wife and her new boyfriend alimony.
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>>160030858
>"Winner" gets cucked in death

Zero is the true winner here
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>>160030868
This may change the main picture. Still he got picked up as a second option and had to see the woman he liked raise the child of hers and his rival before hoping to get a chance.

>>160030911
>>160030900
A dead person is not there to actively defend himself anymore. He lost when he was competing (actively) against someone alive. He only came to learn how "winning" feels like when he competed against no one being physically present, and even so, he had encountered problems to achieve that "victory" because he was blocked for 50 years by a woman (probably clinging to her first love's memory), according to this >>160030306
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>>160030911
Zero essentially only got the chance cause Kaname was "dead", otherwise he wouldn't have gotten anything.
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>>160031434
Literally doesn't matter. Another man's child based through his waifu's vagina, ergo, he. is. a. cuck.
Your "what-ifs" have not weight here.
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>>160031531
>"Wow I'm awake, where's my gf?"
>"Hey I'm her son. She fucked that other guy that you competed against and married him, somethign you were unable to do. Haha and now she's also gone since he died. "
>not a cuck

delusion
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>>160031541
So Zero was indeed cucked by Kaname. You do know Yuuki and Kaname had a kid first and that makes it so that Zero helped raise their kid?
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>>160031531
She knew he wasn't dead and fucked the other guy anyways. True love is faithful love.
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>>160025529
The same goes for men when you reverse the genders what are you on about?
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>>160031630
You do know that time is linear? No matter what happens it's the last man standing that achieves victory, especially if there was no mutual breakup or anything.
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>>160024201
In the shoujo world this is a cop out so the girl doesn't have to choice. She has a it both ways so all the shippers can be happy.
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>>160031770
>all the shippers can be happy
Judging by how people are replying in the thread, it didn't really work that well.

Why not just marry both or have one as the concubine?
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>>160024201
Written by women
Shounen writes to appeal to young male self inserts where every girl loves them and only them, if they don't they just don't know it yet
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>>160031903
Because we're men and self-insert as the winner when we read shoujo. Ante baka.
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>>160031903
>Why not just marry both or have one as the concubine?
That's hedonist. Women only have a set number of eggs.
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Do we have a shoujo thread up, or this it?
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>>160024201
>>160024380
>sequel
>ancestor story again
can the ancestor just die already?
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>>160032521
>Zero shippers
Don't worry, it's a flimsy framing mechanism to tell the cucking story.
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>>160031630
>Zero helped raise their kid
But that kid fell in love with him so Kaname double cucked. Couldn't even be his daughterus first love.
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>>160032405
Are the japs afraid of std's
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>This hasn't updated in months
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>>160034314
Manga translations are dead.
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>>160034341
Really? Where can I get the raws then?
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>>160034440
No. I mean in general.
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>>160024201
>Why do shoujo mangaka have such large, gargantuan balls compared to their shounen counterparts?
This thread is the answer to this question. Men are pathetic autists.
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>>160034314
Awful reverse harem kendo manga. Faggots are still deluded because the drop off into shit was so slow.
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>>160025745
3 in EN never.
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>>160034572
There's no harem though. Nao gave up and it's not like the two leads are interested in anyone else.
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>>160034779
>Nao gave up
Bullshit. He still interjects himself at every turn (like he has for 40+ chapters) and his entire family is in love with her. Hime too. I wish she'd get cucked.
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>>160033609
There aren't any black people in japan.
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>>160035315
Hime likes Nao.


He gave up but still isn't over it. I dunno what you expected even JWWW had the rest of the harem still obviously in love with the MC even after he got with the main the girl and started having sex.
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>>160035414
Yoko didn't give a shit. Fuji does.
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>>160032611
>zero shippers
no. it just having a child with your ancestor is just fucked up.
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>>160036587
When did /a/ get so casual? We all ancestors nigger.
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>>160036587
>not wanting to do it with your descendants
pleb taste
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>>160035403
Try walking around Kabukicho in Tokyo.
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>>160036783
>>160037044
having sex with your grandfather/grandmother is just fucked up
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>>160037082
Not for this guy.
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>>160037082
Clearly you don't belong here in /a/
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>>160037082
Did you know that Japanese law allows you to marry your great-grandparents?
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>>160037527
sharia law?
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Zerofags never recovered
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>>160025745
Which one is the legal wife? The one of the far right, right? Please don't let it be the old hag.
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>>160037779

Anon got it wrong, it's actually great-great grandparent. Japan employs a degree of kinship system.
So conceivably a 20 year old nip could marry their 70 year old great-great grandparent if their parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents all had kids around 15.
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>>160038013
The hag (legal wife) can go loli mode too. Far right is your first daughter, who is best girl even though you don't get to fuck her.
>she's a kid, less than ten
>sees you making out with her mom
>gets curious
>asks for a kiss like that too
>jokingly you're like "haha sure"
>start kissing her
>Chad instincts activate
>grab her by the wast
>stick your tongue down her thought
>wife pulls you away
>"wtf nigga"
>daughter in a daze
>trots off to her room
>masturbates for the first time that night
>father complex locked
Poetry.
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>>160037900
Zerofags are winning and I hate it.
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>>160037044
Tomaru Sawagoe ends up a castrato doesn't he?
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>>160038431
*throat
*waist
been drinking, orz
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1caZJtPXSME

This series is my guilty pleasure at least anime wise. I enjoyed the OP/ED. I'm turning into a lonely josei, jesus.
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>>160038431
Father/daughter incest is fucking disgusting.
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Wait, so her brother/husband was still in a coma when she decided to give up and fuck Zero? That's cold.
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>>160038703
Faggot detected. Go back to tumblr.
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Oh boy. The silver haired guy is truly pathetic

"Hey...Yuki...We will never become like that?...Just to see...Let's try holding hands"

This guy is the pinnacle of cuckoldry. He still sticks to that bitch despite her having thoughts for no one but the Kaname guy, and spending the whole shit despairing over him, while this fuck tries to push her to make her enter a relationship with him by practically begging her until she finally gave up.

This fucker serves as nothing but a hug pillow where she buries her head to weep yet he insists he's "happy" leading the life of a cuck.

But more than him, her whining about wanting to make the silver haired guy "smile" ("happy" or whatever) despite being her the one who hurts him the most by relegating him to a tear-wiping handkerchief is the most annoying part of this shit
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>>160038797
Thas bitches. To be fair she did the exact same thing for the entire prequel
>"I love you so much!"
>kisses other man
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>>160038797
She had been waiting for 50 years.
This thread is giving me "Boku dake ga inai machi" vibes.
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>>160038817
Make me, faggot.
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>>160038861
>her having thoughts for no one but the Kaname
He's pathetic but this is simply untrue. We just need to admit she's a loose bitch with enough room for two cocks, and both Kaname and Zero are giant cucks (Kaname the technical cuckold because he literally is awoken by his wife's child that she had with another man).
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>>160038861
Truly, he should have gotten together with her daughter instead, just to give the middle finger to them both.
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>>160038961
Sure, but they're all immortal. 50 years is a drop in the bucket. What did the daughter have to say about it?
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>>160038961
>She had been waiting for 50 years.
Absolutely nothing for a vampire.
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>>160039141
>editing out the NTR

that was a fun season
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>>160039102
Gave her approval and fellated the FeMC, like all the rest.

Watch Vampire Knight Memories end with Kaname bringing that bitch back to life and making a third kid.
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I love seeing the SJWs lose their shit because they just found out this had incest in it.
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>>160039272
Didn't this mangaka also make that one with the chick who likes it that her bf is a shota. And when he grew up he got a spell to shotacize him again? That bitch.
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>>160039387
SJWs will approve of incest in 80-90 years. It'll be the next disenfranchised group after they finish up with polygamy.
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>>160039272
How? Kaname is just a normal human and they seem to have no idea where Yuki's corpse is. For all we know she could've turned into dust like Zero.
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>>160039622
>SJWs will approve of incest in 80-90 years
Implying they don't do it already
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>>160039622
Polygamy in terms of an "SJW" is if the ones involved are all men or if there is one woman and the rest are men.

But if its just one guy and lots of women, even if they all have sex with each other, its just a harem.

No seriously fuck SJWs and their shit attempts at hiding their kinks.
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>>160039102
>>160039141
Yuuki could wait for 5000 years and Kaname still wouldn't wake up, and she knew about it. She's the one who brought him back to life by sacrificing her own.
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>>160039947
>implying that's bad
Nigger, a dead body ain't nuthin but a hunk of meat.
But man, Sweden gets bored so easily.
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>>160032025
But women can also have multiple sex partners in one session and not burn out after the first orgasm

For men having multiple ejaculations just increases their PSA and chances of getting prostate cancer
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>>160040060
She should kill herself immediately then. That's what love is. Don't pretend like Kaname wouldn't.
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>>160039947
Please tell me you be joking? Whose vagina to I have to pull out or penis I have to kick in.

Victims of incest are most kids being diddled by adults and necrophilia and literally fucking a corpse who can't consent.
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>>160039622
There is nothing wrong with polygamy. You only think it is because of Western morals, but for us humans it's perfectly "natural" (for lack of a better word; everything that exists is natural).
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>>160040103
>She should kill herself immediately then
She was pregnant with Kaname's child.
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>>160040076
Why would you have sex for pleasure?
>>160040026
>muh sjw boogeyman
Chill, fuck one good enough and they completely forget about that shit. You can have 7 other bitches and they won't make a peep. They're like America's otaku.
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>>160040148
>Victims of incest are most kids being diddled by adults
No one is trying to legalize that.
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>>160040204
She should kill herself after raising her child. That's true love.
>"you've learned all I can teach, now I will be joining your father"
Don't think Kaname wouldn't.
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>>160040262
That talking point "in cases of rape or incest" never made sense to me because without rape incest is just consensual intercourse with fellow homo sapiens.
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>>160040165
I don't think there's anything wrong with polygamy. It's essentially a pipe dream without cultist practices, but it's not entirely impossible (read Honeymoon Salad). I'm pissed off that SJWs think there is now, and I'll likely be dead before they change their minds
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>>160040284
>should
Why? Because of muh NTR?
Kaname himself asked them to stay together before "dying" and Yuuki had feelings for Zero too. It made perfect sense for her to wake him up after Zero's death.
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>>160040060
>brought him back to life by sacrificing her own

How did that work? Could she have kidnapped and sacrificed homeless people to the same effect? Or is it something uniquely specific to her own life?
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>>160040397
It's not really good writing for character to change from a pragmatist (well, can't be with my true love so I'll fuck this orbital nu-male) to a romantic (my true nu-male love is dead so I shall die too!) so drastically.
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>>160040076
Bitches who have two doms are hedonist as fuck.
If you want polyamory you need one dom and a bunch of subs. Otherwise it's fucking gross like pic related. Being fucked by two different people is degenerate. Fucking two different people isn't.
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>>160024380
>Ancestor impregnated her, died. Childhood friend orbited until her daughter grew up and then married her, had a kid. After some years childhood friend is killed and then she kills herself to bring back ancestor.
Why do women authors confuse writing their own published manga with writing fanfics?
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>>160024201
Women are rather horrifying in their tastes. I mean shit, shounenfags just dream about fighting badguys with the bros and messing around. Shoujolovers are into convoluted daytime soap opera shit.
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>>160040857
You've got it backwards. Fanfic compositions are inherently conducive to the writing style of women.
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>>160040916
>shounenfags just dream about fighting badguys with the bros and messing around
Sounds pretty pathetic. Won't prepare you for corporate America at all.
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>>160040916
I'd believe you if shounen manga didn't have some of the worst shipping wars around.
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>>160040970
As opposed to thinking about DramaTM all day? Apply that to office politics and you an HR nightmare.

This is why you don't have enough American women in managerial positions because they're too busy with muh DRAMA.
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>>160041080
Treat them as cautionary tales
>Keep your wife from ever meeting your boss
>Don't believe that "staying late" bullshit
>When she answers the phone and it's "nobody", it's somebody
>If she's over 30 bring a chastity belt
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>>160041297
But I don't care if she cheats on me.
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>>160041518
Then do the opposite
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>>160040970
>wanting anything to do with corporate america

My little boomer can't be this cucked!
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>>160041009
Shounen has shipping wars because young boys are largely asexual so the "no hugging no kissing" policy exists to keep the focus on battle/comedy and push romance to the end where everyone is paired up and married with 2.5 children. That and fujos.
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>>160041990
>country is basically a corpocracy
>not wanting to be involved

You have no ambition
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>>160042335
Depends. Shounen battle/romcom ratio is pretty much directly inverse to shoujo's. Shoujo has a lot of fujobait action and mahou shoujo action, nobody scanlates it though.
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>>160024201
why nobody cant make good shojo like Ouran High School Host Club anymore?
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>>160043498
Seemed like regular ol cuckmanga to me.
>envious nu-male love interest
>insensitive heroine
>their friends constantly trying to put their dick in her
>her barely resisting even though love interest is watching
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>>160043498
It's mostly fujoshit because shipping all the guys with each other.

One of the twins went gay because Haruhi went with that blonde guy.

Haruhi was one of those muh strong leads that the guys fall all over but doesnt give a shit about them and chooses that blonde guy at the last minute.
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>>160043834
Reminds me of Morinaga Ai's last two awful haremshits (hockey club especially). Morinaga Ai really disappointed me when their writing style became so unimaginative, compared too their amazing and original past stuff.

But then I found out that all of the past stuff was serialized in other, more niche mags and my disappointment turned to respect. What a pro.
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>>160044016
>Morinaga Ai
I love their male characters who casually cheat and fuck and it's treated like nbd. The fucking deutertagonist of Boku to Kanojo no XXX cheats constantly in the bg and it's not even a big deal. I love female authors that hate themselves, it makes for great comedy.
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>>160044016
>>160044392
>their
Is there a reason you are referring to her in the plural?
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>>160044449
>plural
>what is a pronoun

ESL-kun.
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>>160044512
It's a she, there's no reason to refer to her works as "their".
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>>160044532
>It's
She's a she, there's no reason to refer to her as "it's".
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>>160044560
>Morinaga Ai really disappointed me when their writing style
>I love their male characters
This really sounds fine to you?
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>>160043685
>>160043834
the only shojo manga that i finished was Ouran Host Club and Fruit Basket.
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>>160044593
Yes.
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>>160044665
Okay.

I just don't see any reason for it if she is a female. I thought you were implying she is genderqueer or something.
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>>160044681
>the day has come where I can't tell the difference between tumblr and /pol/
What damp dark hole did you crawl out from, sir?
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>>160044736
Ask that to the person referring to a female with gender-neutral pronouns.
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>>160044751
Women can't write for shit hence I'm not using "her" in a statement of praise because it's an oxymoron.
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>>160044751
Also subconsciously I dissociate mangaka from their disgusting 3DPD bodies.
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>>160044800
>>160044836
All right, that makes more sense.

I raised up the genderqueer thing since I know of at least one shoujo mangaka who is ("X gender" as they say in Japan).
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>>160044736
Why do women want to fuck wolves?
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>>160044937
Women want to fuck animals of all kinds, and it seems to be common among both Western and Japanese women. Might be maternal instinct combined with a inherent desire for exotic and powerful dick.
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>>160044736
>>160044937
>>160045023
Alpha Wolves
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It feels good getting all that happy Zero.
I hated the thought of it at first but the sequel is comfy. The lighter mood makes it seem like she realized where the original started going downhill.
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Am I retarded or does anyone else not know if Zero's kid is a boy or a girl
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>>160045142
Her womb has tasted the seed of two men. The sequel is inherent trash.
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>>160045208
Boy. So that he can remind Kaname that his daddy went balls deep into his girlfriend, and so Kaname can't have a rebound romance and find happiness like Yuuki because the only girl left is his flesh and blood daughter.
Can't let the self-inserters panic.
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>>160045221
>implying Yuki was the best waifu even while pure

Yuki was trash superior only to Ruka.
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>>160045305
Sequel is from the pov of whipped cuckold bitchboy Kaname so we don't have any other pickings.
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>>160045284
>implying incest stops him

Has it been mentioned how fucking weird it was that the Juri clone wanted Zero?
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>>160045332
>he thinks the sequel isn't 80% flashbacks to times when Kaname was in a coma
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>>160045284
>only girl left is his flesh and blood daughter.
He fucked his niece with few reservations.
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>>160045387
>>160045339
Completely different and you know it. He won't end up with his own daughter. Readers wouldn't be able to jerk to his undying devotion to their avatar Yuki if he ended up with someone else.
>>160045357
Doesn't matter, there's still going to be a resolution on the current time. Kaname will still end up never having sex again.
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>>160045357
>flashbacks
>Zero watching Yuki hung up on her ex
>present
>Kaname hearing about Yuki getting fucked by another man

Really it's a lose-lose for anyone who wants Yuki as a waifu.
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>>160045475
Right now he's mooning over the mysterious girl he can't quite remember but you're right. Kaname will end up dying in his human body a handholdless lonely old fuck pining for his dead not-niece. I'll just keep reading for the not-Kuran cast because it's fun.
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>thinking Yuki's cuckery is the worst thing that happened to Zero when he cannibalized his twin
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>>160045598
Shoujo tip: anything involving the heroine > anything else
What, Karekano, Mars, and Cipher? Only 3 I can think of where the dude has other important things in his life besides some chick.
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>>160045845
Shirayukihime's author was forcibly giving them different tasks to try and avoid this. I don't know if she really succeeded though.
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Glad I stopped following the series after the sequel of anime.
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>>160045023
>Women want to fuck animals of all kinds, and it seems to be common among both Western and Japanese women.
This desu.
I've found that women don't mind fucking more monstrous things. For example, when it comes to aliens in fiction I notice men want something pretty much human but maybe with some exotic shit to it like green or blue skin, tentacle head instead of hair, etc. Meanwhile women seem to like the less humanoid things. I think it might have to do with a fantasy of being ravaged.

It might also be a cultural thing stemming from old movies and novels featuring women being kidnapped by monsters that really just hit it off.
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>>160045504

Kaname fucked his generations-niece. Juri fucked her brother. So apparently all this is okay but parent-child isn't.

Hey of you gonna degeneracy at least own up to it and go whole-hog.

Same problem with Ranma's mangaka saying we shouldn't have to think about female Ranma getting pregnant. Except for those animals getting turned into women which is fine apparently.
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>>160024380
What the fuck
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>>160024201
Female authors are into NTR, nothing more.
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>>160024201
>Vampire
Fuck them, I want werewolf's.

pls no wolf guy
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>>160024201
They don't. They're just cuck fantasies.
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>>160025222
Nobody cares who came first though. Everyone knows what Twilight is while few people know Vampire Knight in comparison.
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>>160025269
Not all of them. There's good shoujo manga out there that somebody with a brain can actually read and enjoy unlike this derivative trash.
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>>160025539
And shoujo's are soooooo realistic. Give me a break you fucking retard... shoujos are about as realistic as your typical over-the-top Mexishit telenovelas.
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>>160031675
Not really, we don't give a shit about that kind of garbage when we die.
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>>160024201
Why would you put yourself through more of this garbage?
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>tfw Vampire Knight is the reason you drop things over the smallest shit

I should have stopped when things turned south
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>>160031971
Shojo writes to appeal to young female self inserts where every boy loves them and only them, if they don't they just don't know it yet
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Modern shojo is trash which is why it's so unpopular nowadays. Young female nip readers have mostly moved on to Shonen or Seinen.

Shojo hasn't been good since the 90s ended.
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I have only read Fruit basket and KareKano. Is there more shoujo manga like these?
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>>160040165
The laws against polygamy exist for a reason...and it's not because it's unfair towards women or whatever. It's because it's downright child abuse considering that most people don't have the financial means to maintain a big amount of children.
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>>160040916
>shounenfags just dream about fighting badguys with the bros and messing around.
LOL no, you clearly haven't read Ai Kora which is about a crazy fetishist who is obsessed with female body parts.

You also haven't read that one where that guy travels back in time and rapes/kills the girl he loves or whatever(forgot the name it's long)

Guy shit is way more horrifying. Shoujo shit is just bitches loving being the center of attraction it's nothing major by comparison.
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>>160024380
I'm confused by just reading that.
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Trash series i dont mind one win and the other lose but make one of them cuck and yuki bitch who fucked both of them
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>>160042335
>young boys are largely asexual
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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>>160043498
Ouran is shit. Why can't they make good shojo like Kodomo no Omocha anymore?
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>newest chapter is about the headmaster
>it's about him nonchalantly dying
>Yori is already dead and gone

FUCK
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>>160024201
>implying the other guy wouldn't just fuck off and do something else instead of wasting his time taking care of someone else's kid
Holy fucking shit. Do women actually think men think like this?
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>>160051498
Never mind I missed a chapter
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>>160051522
>Do women actually think men think like this?
Absolutely not.
This is something more along the lines of an abused womans fantasy.
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>>160024201
>balls
How is it ballsy when your audience doesn't give a fuck about loyalty? Women are not like autistic manchildren, after all.
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>>160051928
>audience doesn't give a fuck about loyalty
That makes this audience worse than autistic manchildren. At least they're easy to spot and avoid.
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>>160044736
>the day has come where I can't tell the difference between tumblr and /pol/
>implying there's a big difference, if there is one.
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>>160038817
>>160038703
father/daughter shit is pretty disgusting, no way around it
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Kaname > Zero

Yuuki agreed, don't bother her about it.
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>>160038465
>Zerofags winning
How so? he spent most of his life trying to be Yuuki's left overs, raised her and Kaname's kid and when finally she gives him attention was because she gave up on Kaname waking up. Yuuki thought about Kaname for most of her life, he impregnated her first. Incest wins as the purest form of love.
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>>160053023
>>>/t/umblr/
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>>160045888
>Shirayukihime
Author just made another guy in love with her so now it's a reverse harem
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>>160050574
No, they have balls. If the author was male it'd be cuck fantasy.
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>>160050924
Nice reading comprehension , Mexican.
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>>160025141
>Yet we still get series where the waifu dies and the MC spends the rest of his life moping like some fuckface nu-male instead of knocking up the other girl
Imagine how mad the otaku would get at not one, but two heroines not being virgins anymore.
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>>160051301
You haven't read all the ones with abortion and drugs, have you? Fucking casual. Shoujo is just as edgy.
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>>160051522
Go outside. People have stepchildren .
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>>160054978
Because he married her, spent years with her, was followed by her in death, and probably fucked her 100s of times.
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>>160044800
This is probably the last board you should write this on, given the impact of female mangaka on the medium.
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>>160055582
See pic related: thread. I don't think I need to worry about writing shit about female mangaka
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>>160055398
>>160051301
Shounen edgy shit is simply escapism for kids, shoujo edgy shit is there to turn your heart into cold steel so you can in the future crush your children dreams while you force them to study.
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>>160055656
>See pic related: thread.
what
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>>160055722
Every single person is shitting on female authors. Go back to tumblr if you want them to be respected.
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>>160024201
>Why do shoujo mangaka have such large, gargantuan balls compared to their shounen counterparts?
Because they don't care about muh purity.
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>read shoujo manhwa
>nip girl goes to korea to transfer school give birth because she got impregnated by her teacher
>MLG guy falls in love with girl
>girl falls in love with MLG guy
>MLG guy finds out about the baby after it's already too late
>locked into a romance
>wins a Starcraft event while she's giving birth
>runs to the hospital and says he'll be the baby's daddy

At least it couldn't be any worse than this?
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>>160055816
It's not the fact that she got fucked by two guys, it's the fact that she moved on to another love interest after the first one died instead of being foreveralone like a shounen protagonist would.
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NTR
>person A being cheated on by Person B
>Persona A hates it if they find out

Cuck
>a stupid meme
>faggots who have no self worth and get off to their 'wife' (a whore) cheating on them

Why do people keep using cuck in the wrong context especially when it's different things.
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>>160057035
Because language is alive and NTR doesn't necessarily mean its literal definition and has evolved to typically represent jealousy and inferiority accompanied with the feeling of being "deprived" a person you love by another person.
>tfw stupid gaijin try to correct a language they know nothing about.
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>>160024201
>female mangaaka makes heroine an unfaithful loose slut

What a shocker. Is there any shoujo that doesn't end up being hot garbage?
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>>160025141
Men and women aren't the same. If a woman is widowed, she should stay faithful and never touch another man. If a man is widowed, he has every right to find a cuter, younger woman and start putting babies in her.
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>>160059612
Okay, Muhammad
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>>160059672
Okay yurocuckold.
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>>160059556
Yes.
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It's always female authors. Don't get me wrong, there are some good ones out there. Hiromu Hrakawa and Ohtaka Shinobu have produced to of my favorite shonens, well before Magi went to shit anyway in Ohtaka's case. And even in the romance genre where most of this degenerate shit is you still have authors like Kaoru Mori and the author for Shiraiyukihime who while I don't know her name, I do know it's a female. But on the other hand, the majority of female written stories especially ones with romance go full fucking degenerate.
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>>160059870
Prove it.

>>160059924
I've found female mangaka/authors make great series when they don't touch romance, but once romance is involved they ruin everything. I can appreciate some good, wholesome degeneracy but the shit women come up with somehow is always worse. Especially when it's presented as good and not ad the degenerate shit it is.
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>>160060155
FMA handled romance pretty well. Mostly because it wasn't the main focus and slowly happened in the background without love triangles, drama, NTR bait or whatever else. That author also is handling romance pretty will in her ongoing series Silver Spoon where while romance plays a bigger role, it's actually a well developed and sweet romance without any of the bullshit I just mentioned.
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>>160059924
>the author for Shiraiyukihime
Shiraiyukihime is a reverse harem nigger.
>but once romance is involved they ruin everything
Female authors have more diverse romance. I can read the exact some saltine cracker romance in 10,000 different shounen/seinen manga, whereas in shoujo and josei you have piles of shit with rare gemstones in between.
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>>160061110
>Shiraiyukihime is a reverse harem
It literally isn't though. She and Zen are in a relationship. The only other guy interested in her is Obi and he knows his place and supports the them.
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>>160061243
Nah, latest chapter Obi hugged the fuck outta her and in the newest extra (88.5) Ryuu grew up and is now also in love with her.
3 makes a harem. Possibly a supporting harem, but a harem nonetheless.
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>>160062156
Why do prince/king x peasant poorfag manga never result in the love rivals being beheaded for trying to fuck the head of state's lover?
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>>160062156
Zen is suck a cuck

>Hey, I love your girlfriend.
>Good, that's why I know you'll protect her so I'll assign you to watch over her 24/7 for the next 2 years while I'm hundreds of miles away.

If the characters acted like real people Shirayuki would reunite with Zen already impregnated with her second child.
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I thought Yona was alright for a shojo manga.
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Just once I'd like a triangle-kun to confess to the female lead and her boyfriend round up all his niggas and jump his ass, put him in the hospital. Like in real life.
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>>160024201
I can't believe I wasted a week of my life watching this piece of shit's TV series when I was younger.
God damn it sucked
and it was gay as fuck
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>>160024201
I actually liked this for a short while.
The art was decent (by shojo standards), it wasn't afraid to show violence or action and the MC was believeably weak and needed rescue.
It went to shit quickly of course but I thought it was still one if the better shojo pieces made.
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>>160062156
Hugging doesn't mean harem. She's literally head over heals in love with Zen and he feels the same way. They are also in an actual relationship. And that grown up shota has zero chance. That said Zen is a cuck. Sure, let the guy who's in love with your woman be her personal guard and be at her side while your miles and miles away. What could possibly go wrong?
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>>160063431
I liked NG Life but when I started to read Yona I felt like Hak was such a pitiable cuck and there's literally no reason to degrade himself as Yona's bitchboy without getting anything out of it.
I read to the second volume until I noticed the "harem" tag, so I bailed before Hak became even more of a masochistic subhuman.

Does it get any better or is my assumption that Yona gets flirted with by hot guys and is hung up on her ex, as Hak just stands there like a bitch going "muh hime-sama"? I read some of the latest chapters and it seems like she's finally into Hak, but it's after 19 volumes so I don't know if the journey is worth it.
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>>160063581
>Hugging doesn't mean harem

That was a response to you saying "Obi knows his place". Bodyguards aren't supposed to embrace the person they're guarding, especially if she's the prince's gf.

>She's literally head over heals in love with Zen and he feels the same way. They are also in an actual relationship. And that grown up shota has zero chance

How does that have any bearing on if it's a harem or not? In the layman's harems, usually nobody besides main girl has a chance, and the MC only has feelings for said main girl as well. How does this differ?
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>>160063535
>The art was decent (by shojo standards)
Read some deeper stuff (although to be fair deeper stuff doesn't get scanlated). I'd rate Vampire Knight a 5.2/10.
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>>160063808
Maybe we have different definitions of harem. She never returns any of his advances and shows zero interest in him as anything beyond a friend.

That aside the anon who originally posted that Shiraiyuki was a drama free romance is wrong. The inclusion of Obi and his obvious desire to fuck her while Zen just lets it happen is such a shoujo thing. In reality Obi would have been fucking beheaded for constantly trying to fuck and touching Zen's girlfriend by any supposed prince with a set of balls. Lucky for him Zen's a shoujo prince so he could probably get away with fucking her and he's still be forgiven.
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>>160064001
*just in terms of shoujo though.
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>>160064028
>Maybe we have different definitions of harem.
You don't think something like Jitsu wa Watashi Wa is a harem?

>In reality Obi would have been fucking beheaded for constantly trying to fuck and touching Zen's girlfriend by any supposed prince with a set of balls

tfw Sun King manga.
>male lead is "ruthless king of the world"
>hot guy kidnaps queen
>forces himself on her
>cries about something and gets all emo
>queen starts thinking "hey maybe he's fundamentally not such a bad guy"
>sun king rescues her
>hot guy's country's standard of living is improved and they receive economic aid
>exact same thing happens in the next arc
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>>160064028
>read Sabaku no Harem
>manga is literally about slave girl in Middle-Eastern harem
>goes wherever the fuck she wants
>gets assaulted by her husband's brothers, her husband's retainers, random hot political rivals, random hot bandits
>all of them get away with it
>none are stoned to death
>all the other girls in the harem are basically drawn with 0 facial features and you never see her husband interact with any of them

Mangas about literal harems and concubines being essentially reverse harems are hilarious.
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>>160063237
Zen should've pumped her full of his fluids by now, but I bet he still won't do it even though they reunited.
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