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Why don't you plebs read more shoujo manga? The plots are

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Why don't you plebs read more shoujo manga? The plots are deep and profound unlike the garbage you usually read about cuckolds with comically oversized swords and genderbent king Arthur loving a Japanese child.
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Josei is better
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>>159800279
>he doesn't get off to knowing that he's reading the same thing as Japanese middle schoolers.
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>>159799645
Seems like you need to go a layer deeper and read actual good manga instead if shoujo/meme tier seinen/ battle shounenshit.
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>>159802367
I suppose you'll tell me to read cuckmanga like Ao no Flag, eh?
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>>159802508
>love polygon
No,its garbage.
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>>159799645
>My fiancé did me in front of my boyfriend
Deep.
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>>159803823
oh it was deep, you better believe it

https://youtu.be/eXwszwz0dF8?t=7s
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I'm reading Nanairo Kakumei
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1. The art style is terrible
2. 3/4ths of the plot is MISUNDERSTANDINGS
3. Josei is better
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>>159799645
>my fiance did me in front of my boyfriend

Much deeper than genderbent King Arthur falling in love with a Japanese boy, I'm sure.
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>>159799645
That seems to be josei.
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>>159799645
>that title
I have the feeling that is not shoujo but as the +18 seal is not there, I can only take your word for it.
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>>159799645
>This is what teen girls read in Japan

Hmm.
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>>159804228
It's probably a Teens Love manga.

God Teens Love sucks. It's practically softcore porn with the same 3 or 4 plots from harlequin novels. They even have oil baron shit.
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>>159804217
>>159804228
I looked it up, it's some teen love shit.
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>>159804088
>The art style is terrible
The artist you posted draws better than 80% of shounen/seinen art you see.
>3/4ths of the plot is MISUNDERSTANDINGS
Wow, that's almost 1/2 of the misunderstandings that plague shounen romance
>Josei is better
They meet in the middle. Josei can we way trashier.
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>>159804744
>God Teens Love sucks
Asshole. Some of use want to jack off to NTR but fat old men isn't exactly a turn on.
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>>159799645
>garbage you usually read about cuckolds
So shoujo and josei? Shit made for men still has to scrap the surface of the sheer amount cuck shit present in many shoujo and josei where teen girls and women blantly cheat on their boyfriends/husbands for that wild rebel piece of meat that is turning her life aroud.
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>>159805324
I believe op is using /sarcasm/ and /irony/. It's an archaic form of language that most modern 4channers can not interpret, I know.
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>>159804194

I believe.
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>>159804744
Harlequin manga is surprisingly monogamous. Even when the girls cheats on her husband/fiance w/e, she stays faithful to the guy she's cheating with. Unlike in base shoujo, teens love, redikomi, hot guys don't orbit around her looking for the opportunity to churn her barely-resistant pussy.
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Is anyone following this? I dropped it when that jackass transferred schools and got to sit next to the heroine, but now I'm just enjoying the ride. A monthly dose of dumb drama is great.
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>>159804194
Anything can qualify as deeper than >genderbent King Arthur falling in love with a Japanese boy
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>>159807240
>literally NTR, reverse Florence Nightengale effect, and reverse harem.
Of course I don't not read it. Takato looks like he's gonna win because of popularity polls. Even though Hayata was established as the male lead in the first volume, and Takato was a sleazebag exbf who drugs her, tries to rape her, and tries to double suicide with her.

The sad thing is that Hayata's previous gf cheated on him too. I hope he finds somebody actually worth it instead of that bitch, but I know he's gonna be strung along like the male-protagonist-but-love-triangle-loser in Fukumenki Noise (although in Yuzu's case he'll likely be Nino's platonic backup boyfriend until he's in his mid 30s post-ending). Bitches be selfish, what can you do?
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>>159805837
>Harlequin manga is surprisingly monogamous. Even when the girls cheats on her husband/fiance w/e, she stays faithful to the guy she's cheating with.
That's not what monogamous means.
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>>159808584
>monogamous
>having a sexual relationship with only one partner at a time.

Cool opinion but it literally does mean that.
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>>159808114
>Takato was a sleazebag exbf who drugs her, tries to rape her, and tries to double suicide with her.
>Takato looks like he's gonna win because of popularity polls.
that's exactly why l don't read shojos, l already have a hard enough time reigning in my misogyny
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>>159808750
>cheats on her husband/fiance
She is having a relationship with both her husband/fiance and her lover, that's more than one partner at a time.
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>>159808908
Forgot to mention that she was boyfriend/girlfriend with the other guy but broke up because she got amnesia (only to before they met, she still knows the exbf) and he needed to transfer to America. She starts dating the guy (exbf) who literally caused her to get amnesia because he visited her in the hospital and helped her recuperate.
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>>159809028
Way to ignore the one word that matters, "sexual".
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>>159809116
There's also
>Fell in love with male lead after hearing his voice
>Goes to America
>Voice has changed

So it looks like crazy NTRguy yandere will win.
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>>159808114
Doesn't this also apply for romance directed at boys too? Look at KniM, did Asuka hook up with anyone after she got rejected? Of course not, I wouldn't even be surprised if she still likes the faggot in the end.

It's just a story for little girls, anon. Don't get too worked up over it. Also Hayato is gonna win. All that drama is just padding, trust me, Takato is a pathetic piece of shit and he knows he'll lose, notice how he shits his pants every time he doubted she'd never get those memories back.
I can't even blame the heroine, she was great before THAT happened. THAT shit is the most retarded thing this author ever made next to the last reveal about Hayato's voice. Where is the police? Why would her parents and her shitty friends let that douchebag near her, let alone try to flirt with her? This whole thing screams forced drama. It's like the author is getting desperate and throwing all kinds of obstacles at the main characters. She also completely forgot about the age gap and made Hayato skip a grade which is a shame because that was my favourite thing in this manga.

Neither boy deserves to end up with Nino. I can forgive Nanoka because THAT and because she's super cute, but Nino is a selfish cunt who always screws up their performances on stage but is forgiven because she's apparently talented. I think Yuzu will win in that too, but eh.

Just try to avoid love triangles if you can't handle too much drama. Read this instead.
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>>159811079
>It's just a story for little girls
Nanoka no Kare is certainly not. Even though it's serialized in Margaret (11-15) the subject matter gets way too crazy. I wouldn't let my 11 year old daughter anywhere near a magazine that serializes Rico Miyagi and Shinjo Mayu.
>Look at KniM, did Asuka hook up with anyone after she got rejected?
No but it's not like she was kept on retainer. I believe Yuzu will keep writing songs for Nino while at the exact same time someone else is balls deep.
I think Takato will win though. I didn't believe otherwise until a couple chapters ago where Nanoka's pussy overloads from being blueballed for 2 years and begs Takato for intimacy.

I've already read pic related. It's prequel manga is absolute trash though. Feel bad for the main nigga since his gf gets stolen by a never ending series of hot dudes and their relationship resets even though they're supposed to be dating.
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>>159811376
Never lose hope, anon. You'll see.
>It's prequel manga is absolute trash though
Glad I dropped it early then. The heroine was too much of a bitch and didn't deserve her man. but hey if they didn't hook up they wouldn't have a daughter that could wrestle bears.
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Anyone ever read Fujiwara-kun wa Daitai Tadashii
>cute girl
>falls in love with Fujiwara-kun
>Fujiwara-kun has a lot of baggage
>Little brother died recently and Fujiwara-kun feels responsible
>Fujiwara-kun's friend finds out about the heroine's crush
>Fujiwara-kun's "friend" agrees to help them get together
>"Friend" is a rich blonde prick
>Flirts with heroine constantly
>Falls in love with heroine in the process
>"Lol we're just making him jealous"
>Decides to stop trying to get them together
>Tries to seduce her and do anything possible to destroy any chance she has with Fujiwara-kun (lying to people and saying they're going out, etc)
>Fujiwara-kun is kinda interested in her but she's apparently his "best friend's" gf
>Author-san portrays this as a light and fluffy love triangle
>Has been going on for 13 chapters now
>Fujiwara-kun wa Daitai Tadashii
WE LITERALLY ALREADY KNOW THAT FUJIWARA-KUN IS GONNA WIN, STOP ALREADY
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>>159812800
This and the manga by the Taiyou no Ie author
>male and female lead get together
>male lead has an overprotective "best friend"
>calls the female lead out to threaten her about hurting his "best friend"
>10 chapters later
>"best friend" is trying to steal the female lead
>rationale is that he's not properly paying attention to her
>male lead is working his ass off at his part-time job to provide for his younger siblings
>"being selfish"
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>>159812911
If you're rich and hot, you're always right. Inb4 women, anons aren't better with their waifus.
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>>159799645
>My fiance did me in front of my boyfriend

That... is this hentai?


Also a lot of shoujo just plainly sucks, which is why the few that manage to stand out get popular. Same with shounen.
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>>159799645
Because your image is related.

Love triangle is trash
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>>159813649
>That... is this hentai?
Shoujo and hentai aren't that different

>Girl: NOOOOO!!!
>Guy: You mouth say no but your body say yes
>Girl: Why does it feel so good?
>Guy; You're already wet
>Girl: It's so embarassing
>(Violent penetration)
>Girl: I'M CUMMING!!!!

The only difference is the guy on hentai is a betamax or a creepy janito instead of a handsome young man.
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>>159813848
The fact that shoujo uses handsome young men to ravish the heroines is already enough to make it superior to hentai.
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>>159808114
>Even though Hayata was established as the male lead in the first volume, and Takato was a sleazebag exbf who drugs her, tries to rape her, and tries to double suicide with her.
This is why shoujo mangakas never try. The recession only make it worse because editors aren't willing to take risks
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>>159813963
True but hentai get directly to the point while shoujo gets convoluted and melodramatic. Both have their strenghts and weaknesses
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>>159813848
>hentai protagonist
>has a harem
>impregnates them
>somehow still comes across as a beta
How do the Japanese do it?
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I find romance manga pretty boring because it reduces the characters' existences to "who fucks who"; I like shoujo manga that doesn't focus on romance like Glass Mask, Ace wo Nerae or Swan or like Basara, Kanata Kara or Meteor Methuselah.
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>>159814118
is glass mask over yet?
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>>159802508
"My fiance did me"
"In front of my boyfriend..."
And you're telling us that you're not a cuck?
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>glass mask

Man their rivalry is so great it makes me want to see them having lesbian sex, forget about the mother killer
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>>159814207
Almost? It was in a long hiatus but it came back recently. Should be over soon. I think it lost its magic a while ago, to be honest; I liked due to the different crazy performances but it's already been 10 volumes of training for the Crimson Goddess.
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>>159814118
>Basara
>Guy rules a province where elaborate death games are held and the citizens are tortured constantly
>tries to murder heroine's boyfriend constantly
>Infiltrates heroine's group as a spy
>Intends to kill everyone
>Eventually defects
>Sells her boyfriend into slavery first
>Forces himself on heroine
>Kisses and gropes her
>She doesn't resist
>End of the manga
>Wants to name her and her boyfriend's kids after him

Fuck that manga. Almost as bad as Anatolia Saga and Ramses (hot guy, constant sexual assault, causes her to miscarry her child, still saves him and empathizes with him, extra story has their grandchildren get together).
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>>159799645
But I do read yuri
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>>159814381
But the poor Blue King only had a mommy complex since the White King was a bitch!
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>>159814118
This. Shoujo manga with an actual storyline plus a romantic subplot end up having the best romances.
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>>159814381
>worst part of manga is when male and female leads are separated
>mangaka goes on to make a manga where the male and female leads are separated for 35 volumes

I loved the double standard of Asagi getting to second base with Tartara, while when that girl (that was set up to be the female love rival equivalent to the Asagi) tried to make a pass at Shuri he pushes her off so hard she goes flying.
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>>159814118
>Meteor Methuselah.
Cuck forever cucked.

Tokyo Crazy Paradise was good except for the two retarded male love rivals (and it should've ended with a bigamy no matter how unlikely).
Angel Sanctuary was good except for best girl doomed to lose, they dyke who wants to fuck best girl, Chad angel trying to NTR second best girl, and second best girl being impregnated by demons via doppelganger NTR in the last volume.
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>>159814768
Arashi is super-boring, though. He was only interested in the flashback when he almost kills the guys that tried to rape Hana but then in the present he barely does shit to Ango. Honestly, Ango and that one crazy guy that almost kills music boy deserved bad ends.
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>>159814960
>Arashi is super-boring, though
Yeah but otherwise you can't have any romance between the 2 lead characters. It's just 35 volumes of him swatting off hime-cut girl, and her pussy being flooded by long hair.
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>>159815095
Pupper dude was the best, though.
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>>159815246
how bout' throw him a bitch that isn't taken then
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>>159799645
There's actually way more cucking in shoujo manga. Cuck.
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>>159815342
I had no idea. I thought 'My fiancé did me in front of my boyfriend" was a fluffy vanilla romcom.
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>>159815342
There isn't real cucking on shoujo because the OTP is carved on stone since chapter 1. No matter how many misuderstandings, rape, jealous bitches and nice guys appear; the OTP will always prevail. Except when the audience complain like Hana Yori Dango and apparently >>159808114
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>>159799645
>Why don't you plebs read more shoujo manga?
It's literally cuckshit or misunderstanding or gay shit 99% of the time.
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>>159815539
I only accept Hana Yori Dango ending thanks to the retcon the mangaka did years later.

>>159815303
He ended up with the serious edgy girl from Summer A.
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>>159811376
>I wouldn't let my 11 year old daughter anywhere near a magazine that serializes Rico Miyagi and Shinjo Mayu
That remind me a poll some years ago among Japanese housewives about mangas they don't want their children to read and the #1 was Hana Yori Dango. Very ironic considering those moms made HYD into the best selling shoujo manga ever and probably drool over the J-drama
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>>159815600
What retcon?
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>>159815539
No thanks, I prefer my pure love stories, even if they are cheesy and idealized.
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>>159815539
There's Hiranaka no Ryuusei, Tonari no Atashi, and a bunch of others.
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God I fucking hate women.
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Josei manga is where it's at.
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>>159815539
>what does it matter how many people rub their dicks on my sandwich?
>only I will be the one who gets to eat it
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>>159815770
Kouki gets cucked HARD
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>>159815539
>There isn't real cucking
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Anyone knows more real edgy shoujo like Life or Limit?
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Zekkyou Gakkyuu is really great for a horror manga targeted at young girls.
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>>159815994
Deep Love series, First Love - Anata ga Watashi o Sabishiku Saseru, Koizora and Watashi no... Megane-kun (these two especially).
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>>159816168
>Watashi no... Megane-kun
>entire series is yandere foreplay
>gratuitous sexual stuff
>somehow still no penetration
>final volume
>heroine randomly gets raped and deflowered by her track senpai who has had a harmless crush on her (was merely fuel for yandere behaviors) for the whole manga
>male lead casually cuts his tendon with the tip of an umbrella the next day
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>>159816006
That manga feels like "Are you afraid of the dark" for girls.
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>>159816168
>Watashi no... Megane-kun
Still the best male yandere series after all these years.
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>>159799645
But OP I've been reading Akagami no Shirayukihime for over 10 years now.
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>>159816272
>a harmless crush
It wasn't that harmless. He was also gradually getting obsessed with her, at least partly due to Megane-kun's crazy influence, and also because he was really full of himself and couldn't stand Chouko choosing another guy over him and track.
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>>159816318
I was gonna say Koroshi Ai, but I realized that he's not really a yandere, he just looks like one.
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>>159816598
Good kind of shoujo manga by the way (because it was serialized from a pixiv artist and not an shoujo industry lemming).
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>>159816470
so who gets cucked in this one?
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>>159816470
>assign a bodyguard who is in love with your waifu to guard your waifu
>while you fuck off for months/years
Zen is the kind of man that would be historically cucked and his wikipedia page would be hilariously pathetic.
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>>159816671
Obi. But the non-cuck still assigns him to be the heroine's personal bodyguard.
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>>159816758
Also doesn't the male lead's brother try to fuck her in the beginning?
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>>159799645
Too many males. I can't stand straight dumb drama.
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>>159799645
The generic romance shoujo is just as bad as the generic battle shounen, if not worse.
Classic cliches include
>beta self-insert MCs who can't choose among their oodles of hot guys (except it's worse here than in harem shounen because they usually have far more angst and whining involved with choosing) or won't just confess/accept a confession when it's an obvious pairing
>gary stu bland main love interest who's good at everything and treats the MC like a pet
>NTR where the MC totally wants it
>many rape or almost rape scenarios where the rapist usually gets off with a bit of admonishment at most
>misunderstandings about stupid shit (but with twice the angst)
>also there's almost no real reason the love interests should like the MC
If the story's a romance shoujo with a focus on drama, then 7 times out of 10 it's probably garbage
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>>159817390
>>beta self-insert MCs who can't choose among their oodles of hot guys (except it's worse here than in harem shounen because they usually have far more angst and whining involved with choosing) or won't just confess/accept a confession when it's an obvious pairing
Usually they choose one and then the rest still keep confessing and kissing and shit. It's pretty funny.
>also there's almost no real reason the love interests should like the MC
Usually the heroine's are females with tits and vaginas.
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>>159799645
I'll tell you why.
The drawings are ugly.
The characters are all super thin and noodly
They have huge fucking lips and eyes and a long and pointy chin.
There's too much sparkles and bubbles and flowers and all kinds of stuff.
The internal monologues are all about "muh feelings and muh hesitation"
The attractive man is often portrayed as an edgy faggy kid with a mysterious aura, dangerous hobbies and an abusive demeanor towards women and they somehow like it or normalize it.
Pacing is generally horrid
Characters change motivations over the littlest thing
Many works include comments from the mangaka, often with ultra shallow advice

One thing I like is how often rape and cuckoldry is portrayed but I can't stand the other things

Only shoujo manga worth reading is comedy
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>>159818800
>dangerous hobbies and an abusive demeanor towards women and they somehow like it or normalize it
What's wrong with that?
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>>159818840
It reeks of immaturity and an inability to deal reasonably with problems. And that character type is everywhere and they never do something interesting or new with them. Needs a bit of nuance to make it a whole character instead of fitting in a premade type
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>>159818800
>mmuh seiennen drawwn so wwell wwaahhh

Fuck off casual, you've haven't even seen 5% of the artwork in the demographic.
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fuck yourselves you fucking japanese motherfuckers
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>>159819436
are you ok?
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>>159819026
>"I love me some mature boy manga!"
>girl trips and her vagina lands on the protagonist's face
Totally agree, my lad.
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>>159819384
You're lying to yourself if you think this kind of art isn't the norm for shoujo
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>>159819547
Are you retarded? That wasn't a comparison
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>>159819026
An abusive demeanor is really hot though. Many women want to be dominated by force. It feels great to be desired so much that the guy can't control himself.

But I would like to see more interesting things done with this kind of character. One reason >>159816318 made an impression on me was because the male lead was a unique combination of strength and weakness despite fitting into the abusive bad boy archetype.
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>>159819384
B-but 3gatsu no lion is more seinen than shoujo, it was even published in a seinen magazine, besides listen to >>159819569
said, he's right.

>>159819547
I never said or implied that. I'm more of a comedy man myself. I tend to read things like Chio-chan, cromartie, nichijou, nichibros, etc. I even like LoveLab and Nozaki-kun. It kinda brightens my day by having stupid fun without the grittyness and heavy themes of other shit, specially when is poorly handled

Shounen manga has a lot of different problems akin to the shoujo issues I described and it's even worse in pacing.
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>>159815539
>>159815674
>Hirunaka no Ryuusei
I will never not be bitter/mad about the ending. It was so obvious that sensei was going to win until the rabid Mamura fans decided to sperg on the author's twitter account that made her close her twitter account for a while. It was at that point that the author decided to completely rush the ending and make Mamura win. What made it worse is that sensei was still pining for Suzume after several years. But it's okay! He ends up with a Suzume clone in the extra chapters!
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Shoujo gave us one of the greatest /m/anga of all time.
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>>159819569
>implying
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>>159799645
>>159800279
If there is a cukold "genre" out there is Josei, and also shoujo. Those are basically seinen and shounen but with female wish fulfilment content.
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>>159819819
>B-but 3gatsu no lion is more seinen than shoujo
I'm saying he thinks demographic intrinsically corresponds to art. 3gatsu looks like shit and yet it's seinen.
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>>159819997
>What made it worse is that sensei was still pining for Suzume after several years.
Yeah that was fucking pathetic. Like, cool, let the guy lose with dignity. He's a grown ass man spending years of his life thinking about this one student he didn't get to fuck.
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>>159820413
When did he say seinen was well drawn, strawmanner-kun?
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>Renai Catalog
>girl keeps sperging out when about to have sex
>keeps telling boyfriend she's ready
>boyfriend keeps getting pushed away
>dating for years
>has pulled him into 2 different love triangles
>one of them included his own little brother
>had enough of this shit
so did the translator apparently because I have no clue what happens next.
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>>159799645
>The plots are deep and profound
Shut up, you skank.
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>>159820530
3gatsu is seinen but looks exactly as he described.
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>>159820614
So? If I said fruit is sweet, the fact that chocolate is sweet doesn't change that fruit is sweet. And he never said seinen is well drawn, so your argument's already retarded.
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>>159820455
This is what I hate about romance manga, especially harems. What's the harm in letting the losers move on?
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>>159814118
Nekota had an interesting premise, but it was worse for this. The characters and plot were bogged down with relationship problems. Machako, Yukke and the pretty boy only became relevant in relation with their love interests and fucked off otherwise. Poor Machako was just something to laugh at until he was paired off with the only other background fodder.

And the tsundere girl's love triangle with FeMC was just trite. She was an alright character as well, but she just provided another obstacle in the main pair's relationship and she was unceremoniously paired off with the asshat boy anyway.
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Still salty that he didn't win.
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>jacking off to fat old men when you could be jacking off to good NTR porn
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>>159821216
nekotas mc was a breath of fresh air compared to other shojo mcs though
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>>159821302
this ended?
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>>159821180
Don't you know that the one girl/guy who you had a major crush on for a few months defines the rest of your life?
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>>159821354
Not yet. She choose Mutsumi by now.
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>>159808114
>Takato looks like he's gonna win because of popularity polls
Wait, seriously? Time to put this down for a while then. I'm still at chapter 12 and I already can't stand that obnoxious son of a bitch. I'm going to wait for this to end because I don't want to waste my time reading 50+ chapters just to see this douchebag win.
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There's lots of bad shoujo manga out there but there's also a ton that I really like. Hana to Yume is my favourite magazine.
I tend to avoid the NTR melodrama stuff, my favourites are either not focused on romance or stupidly adorable love shit.
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>>159821302
who won? I was rooting for the dyke or the guy who didn't give a shit that it was a harem.
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>>159821180
I want to guess it's because they want to have the audience know that their love was real instead of fleeting. If they moved onto another person, it may imply to the audience that they didn't need to spend their precious years on someone they didn't even "truly" love.
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>>159821620
>anitomo
>no triangle drama

Boy are you in for a surprise haha.
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>>159821321
She was straightforward and took charge, which I liked, but she was denser than a neutron star and it was obvious from day one that she only saw Nekota as a cat because she liked him.

Plus she had an actual reason to see him as a cat. Never shows us why the tsundere saw him as a cat specifically though (the psychological reason we know, not the "specifically as a cat" thing)
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>>159821640
Nah it's literally having your cake and eating it too. People self insert like crazy and don't want to see their avatar to lose a backup.
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>>159821624
As far as the story is, she choose the senpai.
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>>159821754
The guy with the parted hair right? Nice. I usually can tell who will win based solely on promotional artwork and this time was no exception.
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>>159821701
>new chapter came out today
>yet another one entirely of the heroine and glasses
>they're playing the king's game
This can only go badly.
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>>159821426
I haven't caught up. Does she still treat Mutsumi like shit after they got together?
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>>159821302
I have the feeling that Mutsumi is a red herring. They will probably brake up in the next chapter and set the romance for Igarashi to win.
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>>159821701
FUCK
Is it just a triangle or is it triangle melodrama? I can tolerate other characters being interested in the leads. I just don't like seeing cheating, breakups because of misunderstanding, etc.
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>>159821847
Pretty much yes. Kae has being hanging around with a random (and probably homo) friend of Mutsumi and tends to left her boyfriend aside for anime/fujoshit stuff. In the last chapter he seemed to be really upset abut that.
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How is it that gay shit is more pure than shoujo? what the fuck happened?
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>>159822152
Fujos want to see innocent boys fall in love because the gayness is the taboo that makes it hot, whereas in normal romance they have to do stuff like rape and cheating to get that forbidden fruit
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>>159820075
End of Evangelion + Legend of Galactic Heroes + Bastard!! + Mobile Suit Gundam = Five Star Monogatari

Does /m/ have threads about it (I doubt)?
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>>159821997
IIRC it's been going on for 20 or so chapters (with some breaks). Glasses-kun has tried to touch her a bunch a kiss a few times, but he's sorta oblivious to why. The male lead's parents think Nanase is dating glasses-kun too.
You shouldn't read the author who wrote Taiyou no Ie's new work either. At least until it's finished.
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I like Hana to Yume because it has the most fantasy/plot-driven stuff but I also like edgier shoujos. It's not good, GOOD but Life is probably one of my favorite manga ever.
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>>159822152
BL is like bad shoujo romance on steroids.
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>>159822554
Some of it's decent but both genres are trashy.
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>>159822550
Japanese bully fantasies come up with some of the craftiest bullying I've ever seen. If I was a Japanese kid I'd definitely replicate those borderline-torture techniques on the dopey kids in my class.
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>>159821624
Kaichou wa Maid-sama would've reached Karekano tier if not for the garbage fire of an ending arc.
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>>159822090
>tends to left her boyfriend aside for anime/fujoshit stuff
at least she doesn't leave him aside for kissing hot boys like most shoujo girlfriends do.
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>>159822576
There's plenty of nice shit m8, you just need to know japanese to access most of it.
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>>159821742
that was covered in an extra i think, she was waiting at the convenience store to apologize to nekota but the cat showed up again
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Seinen will always be the best romance genre. Yes it has shit like the harem genre which is fucking awful, but the vast majority of shoujo and josei are softcore harem already with introducing a plain boring girl then having multiple guys magically fall in love with her.

Seinen consistently introduces me to cute lovey dovey stories with either no drama or just enough drama to keep things interesting but still grounded in reality. Pic related and Fujiyama-san are my two most favorite romance anime/manga ever and they're both seinen.
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>>159822090
Mutsumi deserves so much better.
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Does this count? I read it because it's cute.
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>>159823303
Nah. Seinen has a beauty gap. There's always some scrawny betamax-looking manlet dating a 10/10. Suspension of disbelief broken because I know that girl would cheat eventually.
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>>159822674
I woulld like cocky or serious male leads more if the heroines could catch them off guard and make them blush. Intentionally, not like they say something in passing and they don't know it drives him crazy.

Shoujo romance feels really one sided that way. Like the boy is doing all the work and romancing while the girl just has to be there and maybe confess and it drives him wild.
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>>159823444
Speaking of Horimiya, I was meandering around some shoujo porn manga today, and I'm wondering if I didn't find Hagiwara Daisuke's porn pseudonym? Think this could be from them?
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>>159822909
>At least she set the trash on fire instead of eating it
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>>159823509
You're kidding me. Shoujo and Josei are just as bad, with 10/10 beautiful men all fighting over some girl/woman who's just some plain Jane. It's a problem all Japanese writers have really. Most of the time you'll come out of a harem saying "man, the girls/guys were too good for that faggot/bitch".

Also, God-tier manga you posted, I'm fucking mad I forgot about it. Sadly it's not fully translated and only seems to be one volume. The good die young.
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>>159823560
>if the heroines could catch them off guard and make them blush
that's gay. Tsundere is only a good archetype if the guy can just brute force through the tsun.
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>>159823723
>10/10 beautiful men all fighting over some girl/woman who's just some plain Jane
Far more common than the opposite, truth be told.
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>>159823723
>Sadly it's not fully translated and only seems to be one volume.
Serialization stopped for awhile but it got picked back up. Dunno if anyone's translating, but here's the second tankoubon if you're interested http://freshmanga.se/girl-comic/%E5%A1%A9%E7%94%B0%E5%85%88%E7%94%9F%E3%81%A8%E9%9B%A8%E4%BA%95%E3%81%A1%E3%82%83%E3%82%93-2/
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>>159823779
Protip: 99% of everything is garbage.
Rather than complaining about the 99%, discuss the 1%.

This sort of thing happens in every genre for every demographic and should be seen as a red flag.
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>>159823862
Just the knowledge that this exists makes me a happier man. Thank you anon. Maybe one day it will get translated, but for right now I'll just be happy that there's cute lovey-dovey shit being put to paper.
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Does this shoujo couple have comparable levels of attractiveness? I think he's too hot for her, still.
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>>159823444
Shounen. Doesn't count.
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>>159823509
>weak looking as fuck
>first time he has sex with her is after a few years
>lights off
>covers on
>missionary

Isn't there any middleground between the physical embodiment of the word "cuck" and a 6'7" Japanese nigger with blond hair?
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>>159823743
Then have the male be the tsundere and have the girl brute force her way into his heart. Problem solved.
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>>159824241
I've read some shoujo manga like that. The girl is usually a well-traveled turboslut though.
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>>159823743
Asuka/Kaworu are really 5cute in these djs.
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>>159823935
>attractiveness
It's more like he's stylish as fuck compared to her cute clothing style that makes it look unbalanced. But yeah, this one's legit good.
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>>159824439
Reminds me of Misaki and Nisaka from Love and Lies with that interaction.
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>>159822152
You haven't read enough BL if you think it's purer than shoujo. They have plenty of rape, violence, and NTR.
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>>159823509
Sensei is cute though, if I were his student I'd fall for him too.
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>>159825416
That's probably what anon was implying since Shiota-sensei is josei.
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Can I get some cute shoujo about a younger girl?

I love CCS, but I love the shoujo parts of it more than the mahou parts.
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>>159825676
You should just try reading the other 500000 CLAMP manga.
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>>159825760
But I hate Blood-C and their continued attempts at making a CLAMP extended universe.

I loved Kobato, though.
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>>159825416
Am I too old for student x teacher shoujo if all I can think about is how these niggas be risking their pensions fo bitches they known bout 6 months?
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>>159819997
Mamura best boy eat shit faggot
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>>159825634
My mistake, I thought it was seinen.

Now that he mentions it, I can't think of many hot male leads in seinen. I thought Watashiya Kaworu's Aoki-sensei was cute, but that's probably just my fetish for black-haired glasses guys.
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>Last Shoujo I remember reading was Karin
>Author (Something Yume) went on to make some weird lolicon manga and Karin but with sea monsters.

>Didn't like either of them.

Can I get something like that? I just find heart-melting romance cute.
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>>159825813
Wish and RG Veda (I'm only on vol 3) are okay.
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>>159825948
Neither of those were shoujo. And the sea monster thing devolved into NTR.
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>>159825864
A shoujo bitch asking their teacher out is a red flag to be honest. It's like they just are in love with the concept of "dating a teacher". If the bitch can't wait 3 years she ain't worth it.
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>>159799645
But anon, shoujo (and josei) ARE about cuckolding.
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>>159825997
>Neither of those were shoujo
Oh.

>And the sea monster thing devolved into NTR.
Fffffffffffff
Uck.
Really?
I'm really fucking glad I dropped that when I realized it was just Karin re-told over again.
How the fuck does anyone think that's a good idea?
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>>159826081
>people who reply to threads without clicking on enlarge image
>>>get/out/
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>>159799645
Josei and Shoujo have taught me that all girls want to be stuffed by multiple dicks or at least like to read about it. It's disgusting.
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>>159826098
>How the fuck does anyone think that's a good idea?
I don't know. She gets pinned down, kissed, and felt up by some boy, even pulls the "I've never even done this with MC-kun" line.
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>>159826134
>April 1st is the day when the world is full of lies, however to Kouta, it is his precious imouto’s birthday. His father returned that day after a long time away and told him: “Actually Kouta… you have 364 other imoutos”. He was still confused when his father brought him to Tachibana Gakuen. He was the only guy at the school. The other 365 students were… all his imoutos.
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>>159799645
>unrealistic human interaction
>ugly thin guys as love interest
>dumb female potagonists
All shoujo are shit and those who likes it are subhuman.
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>>159826059
>timeskips

Absolutely disgusting.
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>>159826267
I hate this bitch. I hate that sperg too. I hope she tries this routine on some chad exchange student and gets her pussy pumped full of cum while that little cuntboy watches.
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>>159826171
So is it an actual rape or a Sacred Blacksmith "J-jokes on you guys, I-I wouldn't actually have the female MC of the story get raped, h-aha, ha, please don't cancel me" thing?
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>>159826249
>>ugly thin guys as love interest
Hard to self-insert nigga? Not for me, haha. Maybe you ought to try Accel world.
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>>159819711
I like this aspect about Hot Gimmick. The manga was objectivily shit but Ryoki seemed genuinely autistic, not in the meme way but as a real assburger unable to understand social interaction. He was moe. Shoujo guys are too damn perfect, muh sad past only make them more perfect because give them free card for being complete assholes. To be fair, I'm just a guy so who am I to complain?
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>>159826377
The later. Still cuckshit though. She acts a lot cuter and blushes compared to the blacksmith girl.
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>>159799645
>profound
It's nothing but soap opera garbage, literally. It's always over the top drama like JKs drawing knives out of their ass.
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>>159826402
I read Sensei no Okiniiri because it has some good netori and acceptable rape. Why can't the author stop trying so hard and just go back to that shit? Their manga about the slut and the Buddhist monk is a fucking ripoff of some porn manga too.
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>>159826419
>JKs drawing knives out of their ass
I hate shounen too.
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>>159826467
I watched the J-drama about the Buddhist monk. Dropped after episode 3 only for the 3 episodes rule.
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>>159825933
Good taste.
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>>159826380
No.
I meant what i said. Shoujo guys are disgusting with their deformed overly long limbs, sharp chins, and small eyes.
And i don't self insert
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>>159826635
You mean like men are supposed to be?
>>159826599
Boo, Sekine-kun sucks. The entire manga became some weird guy with misplaced jealousy trying to steal an autistic guy's first actual love on a whim.
The author who draws that really hates men/likes cuckshit.
>Manga about guy who has crush on widow
>Can see and converse with her husband's ghost
>Husband gets fed up with watching himself be cucked by MC
>Possesses MC's body
>Goes on dates with his wife
>Makes it clear that he's stolen MC's body
>She doesn't care and would rather he stay like that, and MC experience soul death

Then there's the one about the timeslipping girl
>Male lead has fiance
>Fiance in love with someone else
>Heroine time slips
>Doppleganger of fiance
>Fiance runs away
>Heroine assumes her identity
>"I need to get back to the future so I can fuck my senpai!"
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>>159823647
You're probably right. I think he writes under the name Kino. I could only find cyka blyat translated pages though.
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>>159821620
I liked Hitomi Genki KINGDOM from Hana to Yume a lot
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>>159817390
>misunderstandings about stupid shit
Fuck this annoys me the most
Obviously there is going to be drama, but if the drama is fueled purely by the characters acting like retards it is infinitely worse.
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>>159826635
But having small eyes is more masculine. You want the guys to have big eyes like bishoujo characters or something?
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>>159827596
Just normal shounen eyes
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>>159827830
That's a girl.
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Bought some Ooshima Yumiko to scan.

https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=35637
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>>159825676
There's a lot of manga about little girls or JCs, if you'r into that.
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>>159821315
>>159804088
>Flower Comics
I don't know much about girls comics but I remember that label for the Amazon reviews on this masterpiece
https://www.amazon.co.jp/product-reviews/B009SHWJUK/
>Rating: 1/5 Stars "Disgusting..."
>This manga leaves the worst taste imaginable in one's mouth after reading.
>It's horrifying how lightly it treats sex crimes.
>The illustrations are disgusting as well. 12 year old girls having sex with men 10 years older and such, it's disgusting.
>I can't believe Shougakukan published this as "shoujo manga."
>Even Shuueisha's ladies' comics aren't this erotic.

>Rating: 1/5 Stars "Awful"
>A 12-year-old girl is molested by an older man, but instead of being traumatized, she continues the relationship with him...while dating his younger brother.
><...>A man who coerces as 12-year-old into sex is a pervert and a criminal. They don't become lovers! It's not something a girl is OK with!
><...>What were the author and publisher thinking?! It's a crime that adults allowed this book to see the light of day.

>Rating: 4/5 Stars "Cute"
>The drawings are really cute!! The girls are all cute and pretty and the boys are all cool!
>Like it says on the back of the book, a "stylish-erotic" type. It has erotic stories and cute stories and even stories that will make you cry--I recommend it!
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>>159799645
well, I read one where the main heroin was raped by someone and fall in love then
is that what women want?
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>>159827596
No, but I'd like it if a lot of them didn't look bored for no reason.

>>159826635
Agreed on most points. I get that ikemen and bishounen are the hot thing for girls, but damn if they don't look samey.
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>>159828163
>12 year old girls having sex with men 10 years older
I love older male/younger female age gap relationships, this is my prime fetish. Those moralfags should fuck off and read something else.
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>>159828163
I love Shiina Chika
>Ao no Binetsu
>The story sets place on a certain southern island. Kakeru, Mana’s brother-in-law, has been demanding her body for two years now. One day, Mana goes swimming in the ocean and meets Akihiro. Akihiro transfers into her class, and the two start going out. Although she is pulled in my Akihiro’s bright and kind personality, her frightening life that she spends with Kakeru ceases to change, and the secrecy makes her suffer. On the other side of the situation, Akihiro senses something isn’t right. Mana and Akihiro go to a summer festival, where Kakeru shows up with his childhood friend Ayano. Upon seeing Kakeru follow Mana, Ayano asks Akihiro, “Don’t you think that Kakeru likes Mana?” Akihiro pulls Kakeru away from Mana, and declares, “Mana is my girlfriend.” However, an angered Kakeru knocks Akihiro down, injures him, and before Akihiro’s eyes begins to hold Mana…

Dude rapes her in front of her boyfriend but by the end of the manga they're all on amicable terms and sympathetic to the guy. He even gets another girl (a mutual childhood friend that he fucks because "muh sad" right after he gets done with the rape). It's hilarious.

Then there's Shoujo no Jikan
>Girl is being bullied
>Wants to learn how to seduce the most popular boy in school
>Her mom forbid her from ever visiting her uncle (he's an erotic novelist)
>She visits him and he teaches her all about sex
>gets the boy
>realizes she wants to be with the uncle
>runs to his house
>sees him FUCKING HER MOM

tfw your dad is a cuck and your uncle was your real dad and you're in a love triangle with your mom.
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Only shojo worth shit would be old stuff from the 70s or something when they were seen with a degree of respect.
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>>159799645
Wish I knew the title but I remember there was one where the schools slut sleeps with both the MC's love interest and the childhood friend. I wish I saved the name because the comments on it were full of rage about the slut.
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>>159828465
So she fucked her uncle who was actually her dad? That's hot.
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This entire thread is perfect evidence why Shoujo/Josei is shit. Women are fucking insane. Stick to Seinen for romance.
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>>159828465
>tfw your dad is a cuck and your uncle was your real dad and you're in a love triangle with your mom
Now that's my kind of story
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>>159828389
>tfw you're a meiji-era gaijin nobleman
>you buy a loli to turn into a dick-craving sex machine
>but all these other guys are getting her wet
>your aristocrat friends keep making her give them blowjobs while you're not watching

Toriko Aigen Shoujo is one of a kind.
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>>159828528
>>159828624
>tfw you're a vampire
>think you're sterile
>you keep knocking up your daughters

The author didn't even realize what the ending actually implied until it was already published.
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>>159828698
Forgot the pic.
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>>159828567
I could point you to any of the 1000s of bottom barrel degenerate pedobait seinen romances but I don't have a vagina so I'm not really motivated to defend those that do.
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>>159828698
>>159828805
The premise is so good, a shame that it's ruined by Osakabe Mashin's shitty art. I'm not fond of the sneering faces she draws on her men.
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Anyone a Komura Ayumi fan? Reading their newest manga? She seems to understand the male mind a lot better than 90% of shounen/seinen mangaka.
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>>159815994
Ai Girl is insane.
>Random NTRguy who hates male lead
>Rapes the sister of male lead's girlfriend/heroine (also has a crush on male lead)
>Next chapter
>Starts living at the heroine and the sister's house
>Fucks the sister day and night
>Causes the heroine to masturbate like crazy
>Drugs the heroine
>Ties her up
>Throws an orgy at their house
>Teases her as she gets wet
>Male lead saves her
>House catches fire and burns down
>Next chapter
>Sister is a literal crackwhore for this guy
>Needle marks on her thigh
>Still wants the heroine's boyfriend for herself
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>>159829125
So girls actually read this shit? Why?
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>>159828509
>shoujo with male:netorare
That's rare, I'd think I'd remember something like that.
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>>159829163
Sex and drama. It's how they try to make real life.
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>>159820404
Thanks dictionary
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>>159828947
Rin is fucking cute I want her to win but I know she won't because it's a yaoi-bait manga.
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>>159829389
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>dat rapeface
I don't think I've ever read a shoujo with a legit pedophile as the male lead before.
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>>159829163
More like stuff like this is the reason even the target demographics don't read shojo anymore.
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>>159829538
What are they reading instead?
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>>159829552
Don't ask me. I'm not an expert on what teenage girls like. Maybe shonen and anime.
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>>159829552
Weekly Shounen Jump is the most popular manga magazine among Japanese teen girls.

Anyway, girls still read shoujo. It's just that shounen has cross-demographic appeal. See how badly Boruto is flopping without Sasuke's DARKNESS
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>>159829165
I saw it years back when I started to look at random shoujo that was on batoto.

There was another one where the MC and her crush adopt a puppy, except the crush was already in a relationship.
>Girl comes from an all girl middle school
>Is a pure and kind girl
>Crush is a guy who was mean to her
>MC sees the guy trying to protect a puppy form the rain
>Decide that they both adopt the puppy
>It's revealed that the guy has been dating someone since middle school
>Said girlfriend is pissed that he's hanging out with another girl
>MC is depressed because the guy is spending more time with his girlfriend.
>Girlfriend is trying to fuck the dude but he can't get it up because he starting thinking about MC
>During this the guy gets a call that the MC is in trouble
>Guy rescues MC and hold her tight while the girlfriend just stands back and watches
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>>159829676
Is there a part where she's pushing someone in a wheelchair? If so, I've read it.

There's also another dog one where the MC and love interest are kinda being scumbags with a shiba and dachsund. Typical "he has a girlfriend" stuff but what's remarkable is that he wants to ditch his girlfriend just because he's kinda gotten tired of her (like, you know, a normal person) and there isn't some grand dramatic reason or character flaw.
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>>159829882
Yeah the mom was in a wheelchair. There was some mother daughter drama about that.
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>>159828465
>Shoujo no Jikan
Wait I'm confused. Did her 'uncle' know she was his kid before he did that stuff?
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>>159830144
he'd have to be pretty dense not to
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>>159808114
>The entire plot summary of this post
Holy shit this is why I love stupid ass Shoujo plots
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>>159821701
You must be one special kind of retard if you get triggered by that cuck. It's fucking obvious he'll get nothing and the main couple are getting their happy ending.
Seriously what's wrong with you autists? Do you get triggered when a second or third girl pines after the main character in a male oriented romance manga? I can understand if it convoluted shit like Nanokashit but this manga is nothing like that. He gets focus for 3 or 4 chapters before going back into being the supporting character.
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>MC is attracted to rapists.

Swow shojo so masterpiece
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posting best current shoujo
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Some recommendations:
Usotoki Rhetoric
Sweet Bitter
Sangatsu wa Ore-sama ni Narimasu
Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki-kun

The last two are under shounen but they're pretty much comedy shoujo. I'd think of more but I've read too much to remember at the moment.
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>>159819997
>liking sensei
fucking garbage taste desu
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>>159825865
>generic boring tsundere with a deadpan sobstory
>waaa my mom was shit to me so every women must be shitty as well!
>but suzume might be different from them so maybe I can fall in love with her
>ever being best boy
Not my fault you have a shit taste
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>>159830418
>liking a shitty tsundere
Even more of a garbage taste
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>>159799645
The only shoujo I occasionally read is Skip Beat but fuck, it seems to never end.

That is the problem with shoujo. Shoujo artists are more famous for longer hiatuses than other genres and some shoujo artists even form real life cults and never work on manga again.
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>>159829423
is this by the same person who did the crossdressing one? Usosutski Lilly or something along those lines?
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>>159830436
>Liking a dumbass who screwed himself over by being a shithead
Feelings for Mamura aside Shishio was just a shitty person
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>>159799645
The only Shoujo manga I like is the one who doesn't take itself seriously such as Ouran or Okobore hime.
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>>159815776
As long as the sandwich washes its cunt between meals...
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>>159830493
The shithead was Suzume's uncle. It was his fault for driving Shishio to edge which resulted to him for breaking up with Suzume because of their circumstances. And this was never resolved 'til the ending of the manga and Suzume never found out why Shishio broke up her. Suddenly Mamura enters in the scene and gets like 5 chapters focused at him while Suzume still has conflicting feelings for sensei. Then all of a sudden, she apparently loves him now after going out a couple of weeks with him. It's pretty obvious that the author favored Shishio more considering 95% of the chapters were focused on him until the sudden attack of the rabid fangirls of the shitty tsundere and the popularity poll which resulted to Mamura ending. Now her new series is exactly the same as HnR but this time, the sensei is set to win.
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>>159830530
>Ouran
God, the male lead was such a faggot and the protagonist probably takes everybody else's cock behind his back.
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>>159830374
It only got good recently. It's been going on too long and the heroine smells of too much cock. At least they finally got rid of that fucking hairpin and Hak doesn't need to feel like such a cuck.
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>>159830738
Glasses should have fucked the main girl. He's the most rational among Ouran High.

Blondie and the Twins don't give off the vibe of boyfriend material in comparison.
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>>159821302
But senpai is best boy
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Is Kamisama Hajimemashita still good? Last thing I remember was the protagonist getting raped, anyone know what chapter that happened in?
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>>159830844
She didn't get raped, just stripped and had her life energy sucked out of her.

I didn't really like that series. The characters were paper-thin. The time travel plot was handled pretty well though.
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>>159830269
>Do you get triggered when a second or third girl pines after the main character in a male oriented romance manga?
No because I'm a man.
>He gets focus for 3 or 4 chapters before going back into being the supporting character.
He has an entire tankoubon cover with the heroine and still continuously shows up. The most recent chapter is about him and the heroine too.
I bet you're fine with Haka and (possibly) Suwa in Namaikizakari too.
These fuckers all take up pages of cute interaction with the couples, in lieu of the male counterpart getting jealous/depressed and the female counterpart acting like an insensitive retard.
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>>159830793
There's a lot of good Ouran NTR hentai, I tell you.
>>159830872
>The time travel plot was handled pretty well though.
>"haha love interest has a woman he can't forget about"
>"let's retcon it so that woman is you lol"
Nah
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>>159808114
Can someone give me a brief summary of what happened in the other chapters? The only translated chapter in other manga sites was up to chapter 12. And please don't tell me this asshole is going to win. I actually liked the main pair because their love is pure as fuck.
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>>159830948
It was handled well in the sense that it was foreshadowed from early on and wrapped up without many inconsistencies, which is more than many time travel stories can say. Now the content of the series and the characters are garbage.
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>>159799645
>garbage you usually read about cuckolds
>"my fiancé did me in front of my boyfriend"
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>>159830844
It's finished, the author already started a new series. I wish she'd go back to Akuma to Dolce.
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>>159830791
It's been good since Zeno showed up. Got really good when Lili showed up
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I really like the art of this manga but the MC was such a fucking Mary sue and a goody two shoes who can do nothing wrong that it's starting to annoy the fuck out of me.
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>>159830969
Okay so long story short the asshole continues to harass them and becomes yandere/tries to rape her a bunch, but an even more yandere 3rd guy shows up and goads Takato into committing a double suicide with Nanoka. Yanderex2 goes into a coma.
She's injured, loses her memory back to before she met Hayato, Hayato goes to America (breaks up with her), and Takato starts dating her after spending time with her helping her recover.
2 years pass
Takato developed a conscience. Still won't kiss her, even though she begs. Hayato comes back. His voice is different and he looks older. Yanderex2 wakes up from his coma, her memories return, and it seems like she tells Takato that she loves him even if he wasn't the guy from her fractured memories.
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>>159799645
Anything that confirms all women are whores like 3dpd are I don't consider manga or anime.
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>>159831113
Why did Keith even try to be a love triangle? That nigger Hebi could make Keith fuck his own asshole with his god puppeteer cheat powers.

Mangaka's new series is pretty good (art) though.
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>>159831169
Gets a little reverse haremy tho.
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Is there a place online where I can find scans of licensed manga like this one?
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>>159831085
I liked NG Life better, even if the protagonist was a sperg unbecoming of a Roman gladiator until page 26 of the final chapter.
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>>159831362
Nigger I've been barking up the Toshokan Sensou tree for years, we're never gonna get rips. You know, for the hell of it I may just translate the chapter from the sequel where Kasahara finally gets deflowered by Doujou, so it may pop up on batoto in the next few days
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>>159831371
>tfw you will never fuck the female reincarnation of your best friend
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>>159831135
>it seems like she tells Takato that she loves him even if he wasn't the guy from her fractured memories
Literally what the fuck am I reading? I actually liked the scene where she tries to move on with Hayato and started to think that she wasn't a bad heroine at all. In fact, I probably liked her better than the other heroines from the shoujo mangas I've read. But reading this, it seems like we're back to goddamn back to square one and there's actually a new guy who made things much worser. (As if Takato isn't enough to ruin everything) It looks like I'm going to put this on hold for now because I don't feel like reading it until the series ends because it looks like the abusive asshole is set to win because of his overwhelming popularity. I never understood why he's that popular in the first place. The guy was a downright possessive cunt. Nothing more, nothing less.

>>159831169
He did? I never got the impression that he was in the love triangle. Sure, he likes the heroine but he seems rooting for her romance with Hiba.

>That nigger Hebi could make Keith fuck his own asshole with his god puppeteer cheat powers
Probably because Hiba thought that Keith will never beat him in the first place considering the MC's panties are wet for him

>>159831287
Is it any good? I hope this heroine isn't a goody two shoes like the previous one.
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Shounen>>>
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>>159831448
>He did? I never got the impression that he was in the love triangle
Yeah remember the valentine's(?) kiss chapter? Where Keith is all set to kiss her if Hiba doesn't and is acting all confrontational. There's little signs here and there.
>Is it any good? I hope this heroine isn't a goody two shoes like the previous one.
She's pretty much the same but smiles less.
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>>159831371
>didn't stop the volcano
Shit manga. XV out of XXX.
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>>159831581
Ah, yeah, Keith probably liked her romantically but I think he never stood a chance so he isn't that much of a threat.

>She's pretty much the same but smiles less
Well, as long as she isn't as annoying as the previous one then I guess I'll give it a try. I don't think it's translated yet though.
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>>159831432
Damn, I need to read the rest one day.

I'll look forward to your translation.
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>>159830374
>can't catch her
0/10 bodyguard. Seppuku now.
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>>159831828
It's hard to catch spilled spaghetti.
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>>159831152
Shoujo was a mistake
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There are some really good shoujo manga if you bother to look and drop some as soon as you detect some bullshit like the art that screams rape here>>159829424 . The problem occurs when you like two suporting characters in a very very shitty manga and hope that maybe, just maybe, they could hook up.
>reads Ookami shoujo
>typical shit, except here they blatantly show how he treats her like a dog and she's okay with it
>shittiest heroine ever too, iirc she even admitted at one point that if he didn't have a pretty face she wouldn't have fallen for him.
>Her friend is the voice of reason and is pretty cute.
>The MC's friend is a total bro with a big heart and always fun to have around.
>Around 45 chapters, best girl is pursued by a stalker and he proposes that she stays at his home and she gets to learns about him a bit.
>He kinds of confesses to her (if i's about love it has to be you, shit like that)
>Later he asks her if they could go out fishing from time to time and she happily accepts
>Best boy gets the best girl. At least something good happened in this shitfest
>Manga ended, check the spoilers now, timeskip happened
>They fucking break up, and offscreen too. He has a restaurant and plans to marry some litterally who, she gets a boyfriend and is a nurse.
>The main pair are of course married and have children. At one point while reading I just skipped their scenes together so I have no idea about their development, nor do I care, but apparently the MC is still an dickhead and the heroine despite making a big deal about going to college and learn glass blowing is a housewife selling accessories on the internet now.
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>Main girl
>Main guy
>But then this other totally hot guy shows up and oh my god what is he doing to me why is it so good but I like main guy aaaaaaah...

Every shoujo/josei. Get better taste /a/.
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I love how one of the post-series chapters has the male lead talk about how he doesn't want his daughter to go near manipulative men too and the FeMC just looks straight at him as he says it. It's like they're just slapping this shitty relationship in our faces.
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>>159832445
Meant for >>159832348

>>159832381
Shounen romance isn't much better. A beauty queen, childhood friend and tomboy all chasing after some literally who is at least energetic, but painfully dull where it counts.
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>>159799645
only rapists like shoujo
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>>159832487
You just made me realize why no straight people can get laid in Japan.
The only good romance is yuri.
(Be it on ice or not.)
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>>159832487
Yeah shounen is shit too. Japs just can't into romance. Seinen is the one category where I can think of having multiple loved romances, whereas the other three I can only think of a couple per. Even then the vast majority of seinen is nothing special, but it has the best batting average at least.
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>>159832490
guilty as charged
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>>159832618
>Japs just can't into romance
So which western romance stories do you recommend?
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>>159832618
I learned Japanese specifically because I love Japanese-style romance, so I disagree. You just have to dig deep for the gems, 90% of everything is shit after all.
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>>159830910
>because I'm a man
Well here's your problem. You're reading shit meant for girls.
Also they don't necessary like the second guy, they like the drama he brings with him. Most rivals in shojo manga only serve to lit a fire under the MC's ass so he could push the relationship further.
I agree that the little shit takes page of cute interaction though, hopefully he gets rejected for good.
>Namaikizakari
I haven't read that. It looks horrible from the summary alone.
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>>159832445
Oh wow.
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>>159832348
The author's new series is garbage
>Neighbor boy coolest guy in school
>Nonchalantly takes her first kiss
>"Hey if you fall for me it won't seem like a missed opportunity"
>She mad
>Tsun tsun
>Goes to the cafe where the guy works
>Randomly falls in love with the Cool Adult Owner
>He's drawn like a background character
>100% guaranteed to be purposeless if not of just getting the first love thing out of the ways
>Gone within 6 chapters
>Male lead probably already in love with her

It may shape up to be wingman cuckmanga but who knows? The point is that the first 7 chapters were completely pointless and you could tell they were pointless as you read them.
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>>159832736
>Well here's your problem. You're reading shit meant for girls.
It's not like I don't understand that, I just don't have to like it either.
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>>159799645
Touched so intimately for the very first time and wracked with guilt and pleasure in front of her boyfriend... A strange boy spies on Juri as she's about to lose her virginity with her boyfriend at school. When she was a child, Juri's father promised his boss that his son would marry Juri one day. She finds out that this engagement was, in fact, not a joke. Completely ready to turn the boy down, who should appear before Juri but Shogo, the guy who'd spied on her with her boyfriend. "You wouldn't want to ruin your father's reputation by revealing your infidelity and breaking this engagement, right?" Threatened, she's forced to re-enact her first time, with Shogo and in front of her boyfriend...
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>>159832827
This sounds more like an exhibitionism fetish manga rather than NTR, if she really isn't in a relationship with her fiance.
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>>159832790
>Gone within 6 chapters
Such is the sad fate of side characters: more fascinating than the possible love interests, but never having true love routes available.
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>>159832858
I want to actually read it now, too bad i cant find it anywhere
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>>159832696
She liked another guy. Things didn't pan out so she fell back on betamax. Get the fuck outta here.
>>159832736
>I haven't read that. It looks horrible from the summary alone.
It's good. There's just this one/two character(s) that keep orbiting around the heroine and randomly running into her by "coincidence" and rehashing the exact same jealousy plot over and over. The author never moves the love triangle forward either. Finally after 60 chapters the main one confessed to her (in front of her boyfriend haha) and then the author ignores it (and continues to) with no resolution in sight.
He doesn't even appear that often it's just the not knowing when he'll strike is the worst.
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>>159832870
nah the nigger had a gf or fiance or something
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>>159832954
I don't care so much about Hina, it's Rei's feelings that are of interest to me. I like seeing his growth as a person and how he learns to love another person.

Hina only had a puppy love crush on baseball-kun so it doesn't count for much. She isn't even aware that Rei is in love with her yet.
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>Forbidden sex with my boyfriend's father! "My boyfriend's in the next room over, yet his father is forcing it inside me..." One day, Hinako meets an older man and cheats on her boyfriend with him... only to find out that he's actually her boyfriend's father! "I know it's wrong, but my body feels so hot and wet. I want 'him...'" What's going to happen in this dangerous love triangle?!
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>>159833013
>Hina only had a puppy love crush on baseball-kun
This is what people say before the DNA test comes back negative.
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>>159833087
That's actually disgusting.
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>>159833087
Thats pretty hot
Imagine being the dad and cucking your son
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>>159832548
YOI was a shoujo in spirit, but it felt underwhelming in the romance department. The skating was more interesting.
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>>159833087
>College student Chisa's been suffering from hot flashes, watery eyes and getting seriously turned on whenever she gets touched. Desperate, she heads to a hospital where she meets three gorgeous doctors, and asks them for treatment. But, to her surprise, she's told she needs to have sex to suppress the symptoms! As part of a "medical checkup", she gets her hot, wet private parts touched by each of the doctors, pleasuring her overly sensitive body to the point of losing her mind...
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>>159833121
I've been imagining it for years.
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>>159833109
Have you seen how innocent a girl Hinata is? She is still a grade-schooler on the inside, like her family said. NTR is not going to be a problem in this manga, not with a tagline like 川の流れのように進む優しいラブストーリー。
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>>159833109
kek
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>>159833121
Is there a term for male oyakodon?
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>>159833087
There's another one where there's only one chapter. One of the few shoujo to earn the "netorare" tag on MU
>Miwa wants to get romantically involved with him, but cannot. Soon she finds herself attracted to his father. A dangerous triangular love affair goes on.

Basically
>Boyfriend can't penetrate her hymen because she finds it to painfaul
>Meets random guy on train
>PHEROMONES
>horny af
>turns out he works at her school
>and he's her boyfriend's dad
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Are there trashy shoujos with focus on the dude or carnivorous female leads? I feel like it'd only happen in an M manga though.
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>>159832827
>>159833087
>>159833130
I'm impressed. I'm starting to doubt which demographic has a more ridiculous premise in their smut stories.
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>>159833303
Yeah, it's "oyakodon".
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>>159833361
>Are there trashy shoujos with focus on the dude or carnivorous female leads
Yes. I'm too tired to list any. Try promiscuous female lead tag or female demographic with male lead tag.
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>>159832548
>The only good romance is yuri.
The beautiful girl who brought me to the peak of pleasure... isn't a girl at all! "I just couldn't help myself," he says in a deep voice, licking my most sensitive area. Shizuka goes to a drinking party, but she can't adjust to the mood. Just then, a stunning woman named Ryou approaches her. They ditch the party to have a drink together and quickly hit it off. Shizuka ends up going to Ryou's place afterward, where Ryou suddenly forces her into a kiss. "She's a lesbian!?" Shizuka thinks so at first, but Ryou's body feels unusually hard below the waist. Could Ryou actually be... a man...!? Shizuka's mind goes blank as Ryou's fingers thrust into her deepest area...!
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>>159833487
What a pure love!
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>>159833487
Ah yeah. Reminds me of that manga that I forgotten the name of where both male and female leads are crossdressers who got together happily.
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Anyone reading that Oda Nobunaga shoujo where he romantically fucks the reverse trap Mitsuhide and rapes the unknowingly lesbian Kicho (legal wife) that is in love with her?
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>>159833571
Yugamira
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>>159833324
>>PHEROMONES
That's such a lousy cheap tactic.
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>>159833735
You just jealous
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It reminds me too much about how fickle women are. I don't need this shit in my escapism as well.
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>>159833721
It's not that, but thanks for the rec. The one I described was an older oneshot manga done in ye olde shoujo art style with the male lead looking like a convincing noble lady and the female lead as a stylish dude.
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>Yuri
Absolutely mediocre. The only place where it's the most well written romance is in the heads of its delusional fans.
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This one is josei, but I really enjoyed it.
>v.1 c.2 by Habanero Scans (817d ago)
Chapter 3 never I guess.
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>>159833757
Nay friend, I prefer a good story to go along with my fap. The bf and the gf sounds like they need to attend proper sex ed classes and use loads of lube instead of just jamming it in.
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>>159834101
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>>159834101
>>159834189
He definitely sounds like a madman.
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>>159799645
shoujo and josei is just sick.
why do you think they call the women that read this "rotten"?
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>>159834359
"rotten" refers to BL, not to shoujo/josei.
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>>159834370
they're the same thing, both have effeminate men with girlish behaviour.
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>>159834445
Have you read the thread at all? You think being sexually dominant towards women like the typical shoujo/josei male lead is girlish behavior?
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>>159834470
Yes. Only women are so superficial, manipulative and capricious.
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>>159834617
How do you expect men to behave towards women, then?
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>>159834629
As men do otherwise, why would you behave differently depending on who you're with?
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>>159834662
So you would behave the same to your girlfriend as you would toward your male buddy?
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>>159819997
>obvious that sensei was going to win until the rabid Mamura fans decided to sperg on the author's twitter account that made her close her twitter account for a while.
Anon pls. No one has translated the mangaka's interviews into english but she changed plans to make Mamura the endgame couple by the second volume. Of course it was going to look like a close race/toss up till the end to keep readers hooked, but she had been dropping Mamura hints for a long time. When she closed/locked her twitter it was because she was busy trying to finish drawing the last few chapters which had extra pages and she didn't need twitter as a distraction.

So are you following Tsubaki-chou Lonely Planet?
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I was in a shoujo binge a year ago, read a crapton of garbage with Dengeki Daisy taking the cake. There were a few good ones, though, like Lovely Complex but I tend to prefer josei romance like Chihayafuru or Nana.
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>>159834682
Yes, as a matter of fact my wife is my best friend.
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>>159799645
Why does she have a boyfriend if she has a fiancee? And why is she fucking one in front of the other
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>>159834875
Women like attention.
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>>159834857
I too am married, but I wouldn't treat my wife the same as I treat men because men and women are different and expect/desire different things.
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>>159834359
Get your moon straight. 腐女子 (fujoshi) is a self-mocking label of BL fans. The first kanji used has the meaning of rotten. It's what >>159834370 said.
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>>159820575
>>had enough of this shit
>so did the translator apparently because I have no clue what happens next.
That happens more often then you think.

Based translators protecting us from disappointing endings. (Thereby distorting our view of the quality of Japanese media.)
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>>159826134
>Josei and Shoujo have taught me that all girls want to be stuffed by multiple dicks or at least like to read about it. It's disgusting.
Nah. They want to be the most desirable women on the planet, so that no man can control himself. (Basically they want to be the most powerful mans child-factory.)
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>>159826225
Impregnating that many women must have been quite the ordeal.

Letting them sync up their periods. Distributing sperm.
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>>159826267
The author thinks this is romantic, when an older person takes advantage of a younger person.
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>>159835301
It is romantic.
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>>159834945
sounds like you got yourself a trophy wife.
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>>159835317
That's not what trophy wife means. Do you fuck your male friends too?
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>>159828624
>tfw your dad is a cuck and your uncle was your real dad and you're in a love triangle with your mom
>Now that's my kind of story
Having your brother inseminate your wife if you are infertile is a viable strategy to get adequate genetic material without fear of fuckery with the sperm sample.
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>>159828768
>The author didn't even realize what the ending actually implied until it was already published.
No birth defects and that he bred himself a loyal chain of fucktoys?
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>>159835348
What will he do when one of his daughters/fucktoys eventually births a son?
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>>159834724
>make Mamura the endgame couple by the second volume
Is that why majority of the chapters were Shishio centric and Mamura barely gets the focus at all? If that's the case, then she's done a pretty shitty job at developing Mamura's character and his relationship with Suzume since he's MIA majority of the time. Only to properly appear in the end after the break up while he tries to get together with Suzume. Even in the chapters when they're going out, Suzume was still thinking of Shishio until the last minute. She only changed her mind on the last chapter. I think everyone who has been properly reading this series knows everything was rushed as fuck. If it were not, I don't think there'd be complaints at the ending at all had the author properly develop Mamura and Suzume's relationship since the beginning if it was her intention to make them the endgame couple.

That being said, yeah I am, I can't help but think that it's a HnR 2.0 due to the similarities but this time, Not!Shishio is dead set to win. I really like it so far but if the Mamura clone wins I'll stop reading any works from the author. Doubt it though since he looks like he's got his own chick which makes me glad. Fumi and Akatsuki were a cute couple.
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>>159826225
Goddamn, not only did he fuck that many women but it sounds like one was born each day of the week, guy's lucky none of them miscarried or gave birth premature ruining the theme
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>>159835480
There's still a hole
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>>159828698
>letting your friends cuck you with your own bought loli
Goddamn when you're that much of a turbo beta, you practically deserve to have her taken
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>>159799645

>Two handsome totally not gay boys have to kill each other with swords that came out of their out of their mothers wombs.
>Plus melodrama

Never again.

An it only gets worst when the MC is a female.
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>>159835480
How would he even know?
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>>159826978
i like sekine though
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>>159835493
I actually agree with >>159830632 (you?) that Yamamori probably favoured Shishio more than Mamura, but making it so that Shishio looked like he had a chance all the way till the very end was what she was doing on purpose in order to make it a compelling love triangle. Nothing more boring than already knowing what's going to happen and sitting through chapters of garbage when one is obviously the endgame. I know most Shishio fans will go to the grave believing that popularity poll crap but honestly, just be mad that Yamamori trolled the Shishio fans. She played us and strung everyone along to the end to keep readership up high. A popularity poll that close to the end? It wasn't going to change anything, I remember Yamamori said that was the publisher's doing to drum up interest and fanaticism for the ending. The ending was rushed because she didn't do it right.

Do you not like Samejima? I actually don't think she's a Suzume clone at all. Her personality is pretty different and much more somber, they just have dark hair and Yamamori's girl characters have a mild case of same face syndrome.

>Mamura clone
Aioi? Which chapter are you up to? Akatsuki's editor Gorou is the '2nd guy' now but yeah this time it's pretty clear cut that Fumi and Akatsuki will end together. That said tclp is very lackluster for me personally.
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>>159835330
sex is a minuscule part of my life. I wouldn't define anybody or anything by it.
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>>159835902
Yeah, that's me. But that's still a really shitty because giving one focus to one character majority of the time and suddenly throwing him out in the last minute because of "muh surprises and originality" isn't compelling. If anything, it's just shit writing. It honestly gave me barely time to get attached to Mamura. Even his backstory was thrown out near the end of the series. Not once did Yamamori resolve the conflict that Suzume's uncle caused and eveything was suddenly okay between Shishio and him at the ending. Even a small revelation would be okay.

She's okay as a character but not enough for me to get attached to her. She feels more like a prize for Shishio after losing in love twice and to make some Shishio fans somewhat feel better because he gets something in the end.

Chapter 30 or something. And yeah, the guy with a black x blonde hair. Gotta agree with you though, it's still decent but it didn't interest me the way HnR got me hooked.
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>>159822374
is this trolling?

also LOGH is shoujo as fuck
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>>159835902
Plus, I don't think that knowing obvious endgame couples are boring. As long as you properly develop the main pair, it can still be good. Kare Kano had an obvious endgame couple right from the start and it's still a great read and considered as one of the best shoujo mangas by many people. A lot of mangas are like this as well. It just really depends on the writing.
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>>159836124
Alot of things about the ending are lacking and rushed because Yamamori wanted to keep up the 'mystery' till the last chapter and then imo, was constrained by the number of pages she could do to fit the tankoubon. Two beers, according to the movie novelization they have enough sense to cut that out.

Oh yeah endgame couples aren't necessarily boring but in a love triangle, if there's one guy who's obviously going to be picked I think it's just a waste of time to read a dozen extra chapters of "maybe guy A or maybe guy B" when I just want the girl to pick someone and get on with actual relationship development.
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>>159805231
>The artist you posted draws better than 80% of shounen/seinen art you see.

really it's not
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>>159799645
>read genre with 90% NTR
>call other people cucks
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I don't think I've ever seen a decent shoujo thread on this site before.
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>>159836700
She should've at least developed Mamura since the early chapters if she already decided on the endgame. That way, a Mamura end would probably be more accepting to me because Yamamori built a proper foundation to their relationship. But instead, he turned out to be the most underdeveloped character within the cast and also had the most underdeveloped relationship with her. Even in the extra chapters, he was still doubting Suzume's decision for choosing him over Shishio after like what? Going out with her for 5-6 years? And still needed Suzume's confirmation. The two beers scene was utterly ridiculous that I do not know whether I laugh or get angry. It turns out Suzume's uncle only had to offer him a beer to make up all the shitty things he did to his old friend.

>I think it's just a waste of time to read a dozen extra chapters of "maybe guy A or maybe guy B" when I just want the girl to pick someone and get on with actual relationship development.
This is where Yamamori fails at. The series focused a bit on the love triangle and more on Shishio's character majority of the chapters. Only to throw him aside and start "developing" Suzume's relationship with Mamura in the last minute. The latter's relationship ended in like 5-10 chapters with the pair barely getting a proper development.
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>>159834776
Nana is actually shoujo, even though it feels like josei
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>>159837103
>I laugh or get angry
*I should laugh or get angry

>>159836700
Also, what was Suzume's friend's name again? Yuyuka? What ever happened to her and the other guy that was designated to be her love interest? I don't think it got resolved at the end either.
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>>159837103
I think Mamura's backstory would have been stupid even if introduced earlier. Just had to accept the lack of build up as a by product of Yamamori dragging out the suspense till the last minute. It's been a while since I read hnr so I couldn't name the exact points but I remember not being surprised she picked Mamura since there were hints they would be more compatible in the long run. Totally agree about the extra chapters where he was still doubting, how could he still be so insecure?

As for Yuyuka, in the extra chapter she and that guy were still together but as usual squabbling because that's their dynamic.
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>>159828389

Same same.
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>>159830969
i think they were fucking.
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>>159837165
How so? Cookie is both shoujo and josei and I don't think shoujo is the target demographic when there are pregnancies and shit like that.

Nobu did not deserve this treatment, I'm glad this series is dead and I won't have to see him being the ultimate cuck raising someone else's daughter.
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If I wanted to see 3D bitchery I would go outside.
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>>159838186
Introducing it at the middle of the story is probably the ideal. Then she could start developing his character at that point. Not that his backstory is compelling in the first place but that would at least make Mamura's character a bit better. I also feel like the extra chapter where Shishio was still pining for Suzume after all those years and still kept the sushi necktie she gave him just added fuel to the fire. It was at that point where I wondered why Yamamori was doing this to her characters.

Well, I'm glad that they at least got together. They're the 2nd pair which I actually cared about in the series.
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>>159838570
Seriously? Fucking dropped. I'm not going to keep up with anymore of this bullshit. I can't believe that this son of a bitch is actually winning even after all the shitty things that he did to the MC and Hayata.
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>>159838694
About Shishio still keeping the sushi tie around I think I agree with what >>159821640 said. That's what Yamamori was trying to achieve but ultimately it was salt in the wound to those who wanted him happy instead of validating his feelings for Suzume.
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>>159836296
The Kare Kano manga is shit and Soichiro is worse than Sasuke. Anno was the only reason why the anime was great
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>>159799645
>Why don't you read more shoujo manga?
Shoujo are mostly romance which is not a bad thing if it wasn't for the fact they complex the hell out of it sometimes.
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>>159835902
>Akatsuki's editor Gorou is the '2nd guy' now
Fucking.
>Get couple together
>"lolololololol jk I'm gonna fuck her"
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>>159840226
This chart is shit. All the red arrows should be pointing to one girl, and one of the red arrows should be pointing to the male lead.
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>>159842588
He's not actively going after her, he told her that he's glad she was the one who came into Akatsuki's life/home. There's a new female temp editor working with Akatsuki too that acts a lot like Fumi. The only person who has to be worried about anything is Gorou losing his job to the new girl.
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>>159799645
>everyone talking about how shoujo is full of NTR and girls worshiping cock
I-I think I want to read some shoujo.
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>>159843139
>He's not actively going after her,
Yet.
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>>159821701
Everson triangle kun came onto the scene I've liked the brothers relationship story bettet
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>>159843139
The way you said it I thought I was behind a chapter. Jeez though, there's already been two "2nd guy" falseflags. The author needs to take a course about writing SOL.
Also Fumi is garbage and I think sensei just wanted a bang maid.
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Liar x Liar is the worst popular josei ever and the heroine should be subject to female genital mutilation
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>>159843392
Shoujo really trained you to expect the worst. Honestly if >yet were the case I'd say so but I really don't think it's going there. If you're reading it you might see what I mean but if you're not then I don't recommend it anyway.
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Does shoujo's themes reveal how shallow, vapid, and whorish women truly are?

Male targeted stories usually feature:
>self-sacrifice and honor
>friendship and brotherhood
>self-improvement, redemption, fighting against all odds for what you believe

Meanwhile female targeted stories are about being taken on a rollercoaster adventure by some handsome mysterious man with Dark Triad personality traits, while also being courted or borderline raped by ten other copy-and-pasted handsome manipulative men.

Fuck women.
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>>159843662
>Shoujo really trained you to expect the worst.
Yamamori wrote that one rage fuel arc in Sugars and I will never forgive them.
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>>159843777
>>self-sacrifice and honor
>>friendship and brotherhood
>>self-improvement, redemption, fighting against all odds for what you believe
Did you timeslip from the 80s?
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>>159843555
You're up to chapter 45? The synopsis for 46 is that the new girl editor is doing very well with Akatsuki so that's why I said the last part about Gorou and his job. This is just another way for Akatsuki to reaffirm he likes Fumi for Fumi and that he wouldn't just like another girl who's similar to her. Very predictable.
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I do think shoujo arc has been getting better. Most shoujos these days is a soft and delicate style that looks pretty appealing compared to the huge eyes of the early 00's. I still think the best style for shoujo was the 80's, though. Swan is a visual masterpiece.
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shojou manga was a mistake
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Anyone read shounen oujo?
Its by far one of my favourite shoujo's
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>>159843834
I didn't realise Sugars was memorable enough for anyone to have strong feelings about it. Which arc are you referring to?
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>>159844412
No this is one of the best and most self-aware shoujo artists there is.
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>>159830382
Usotoki rhetoric is a masterpiece. No love triangle or ntr bullshit. No tsundere pieces of shit. The two leads are the best girl and best boy of the Manga. There relationship isn't romantic at first but more familial.

It's an underrated gem and it's puplished in Hana to yume so you automatically know it's good
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>>159844620
>chapter where JK is trying to romance the older guy who the kuudere broke up with
>gets him to the point where he's starting to feel something for her
>seems like one more push would push him over the edge
>she plans to visit him on valentine's day
>her friend confesses to her
>"Okay I love you now"
>drops older guy in no time at all

I'm usually a fan of interconnected-episodic too. It's my favorite kind of shoujo.
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>>159844870
>Usotoki rhetoric is a masterpiece
Nah. It's good but there are plenty of stories like you're describing. Some love triangle girl shows up later I think and I'm not sure about guys.
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>>159844587
Didn't it get canned?
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>>159845137
Unfortunately yeah it seems so.
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Machida-kun no Sekai anyone? I've been moved to near tears every other chapter by how pure and wonderful everything is. Machida is idealistic perfect 2D in the best way possible and I just want to protect that smile.
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>>159843909
Basically any generic battle shounen features "muh friendship" and "muh right" though
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>>159844934
George Asakura is great
>gyaru heroine
>guy is definition of alpha (gets likened to a lion alpha)
>divorced multiple times
>autistic
>free love hippy
>fucks anyone who comes onto him
>heroine is on same remote island as him for school
>deflowers her
>decide to start dating
>she's gonna "fix" him
>next chapter
>his actual bastard child shows up
>girl he knew 15 years ago shows
>"lol I have a son, cool"
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>>159845092
Love triangle girl was a lesbian
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>>159845400
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>>159845489
>yuri NTR
I'd think niggas would learn after this season.
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>>159845225
Yes, it's good. Love interest may be a former slut though.
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Shoujo does incest better than the genres obsessed with little sisters. Really makes you thunk.
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>>159845726
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>>159845579
She wasn't a lesbian for main girl she was a lesbian for her friend who was about to get married
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>>159845778
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So this is shoujo....
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>>159845646
That was so long ago I forgot about it. She's moe now so it's fine.
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Who's an Ikuemi Ryou fan?
>I Love Her should've ended in bigamy
>Taiyou ga Mite Iru won't end in bigamy
Ikuemi Ryou is so good at making characters that only work as a ffm threesome, and then never delivering (because of the demographic of course)
I wish someone would translate the rest of their stuff.
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Mars is a great manga by Souryo Fuyumi (artist that teeters between josei and seinen)
>male lead is alpha without it being obnoxious or cliche
>probably slightly sociopathic
>non-virgin female lead (because rape)
>more pure than the purest virgin
>yandere NTR bishounen archetype character appears
>trope subverted
>he's not "misunderstood"
>he's a fucking textbook medical psychopath
>female lead is btfo for trying to help him because he's pretty boy

Shoujo where the female lead isn't constantly fellated, and more of a supporting character to the male lead is always fucking spectacular. Like stuff by Narita Minako (Cipher) or Shimizu Reiko. Karekano was good for that reason too.
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>>159846590
>Shimizu Reiko
>tfw your tomboy daughter is actually your girlfriend who de-evolved because of sci-fi
>tfw you realize this and get together
>tfw she's de-evolved back to a child again
>tfw you're a dilf now and need to go through the same wife husbandry shit all over again
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>>159832348
>and the heroine despite making a big deal about going to college and learn glass blowing is a housewife selling accessories on the internet now.
I don't understand how shoujo in general can be so socially conservative while they're made by working women on a male-dominated enviroment.
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>>159845391
I thought generic battle shounen was about born special and having the entire world sucking your dick.
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>>159846590
>Cipher
>tomboy gf tries to fuck Cipher's twin brother in a moment of weakness
>twin brother tips his fedora and bids adieu
Good characters
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>>159847108
i don't remember that
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>Kirei
>playboy female:netorares women because he's the embodiment of this thread (thinks women are cock sluts who will always cheat for a handsome guy)
>never serious
>step sister (uptight morals-chan) falls for him
>they get together
>entire manga is great and super original
>RUINED in the final chapter
>she goes abroad
>protagonist is against it because he doesn't trust women and thinks she'll cheat
>comes home year later
>American Chad follows her
>fucked her while drunk
>basically proof of thesis for the MC's twisted hate
>"lol it's fine"
>"she was half awake and calling your name"
>apparently that makes it fine
>still invite the rapist/international stalker to their wedding
I was seriously enraged. Probably the most I've ever been at a manga. It was the only time I'd seen a protagonist with a functional netori fetish.
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>>159847317
It's really non-focal and takes up couple pages only . It's somewhere towards the end when Cipher is in CA. She goes to the apartment and gets as far as taking off her shirt.
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>>159847512
>Seeing the girls he's fucked get back together with their boyfriends after he pumps and dumps them
>Despite the fact that their boyfriends were publicly cucked
>"Hmmm, this changes my opinion of women slighty."

Nigga the only opinion that should change is your opinion on the desperation of the Japanese male and the female's maximum duration for time without a dick inside them.
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>>159844870
I quite enjoy it, too. I hope it stays good.
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>>159847626
This faggot seems pretty sketchy.
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>>159848034
meant for >>159847839
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>>159846590
I liked it, I don't normally enjoy that sort of melodrama but it's pretty well written.

>Shoujo where the female lead isn't constantly fellated, and more of a supporting character to the male lead is always fucking spectacular.
I don't agree with that. It's best when the female lead has their own unique strengths and personality. If anything it's usually a red flag when the female lead is just a nobody while the male lead is super special, bland self-inserts are cancer.
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I read (most of)Principal a while back and forgot a lot of finer points, but it was really good and depressing as fuck. MC gets thrown into what would be a love triangle situation in any other shoujo, but neither are interested in her and she watches them pining over others/in relationships for a good portion of the manga. Then she ends up with some literally who guy for a while. Good storytelling and subtle portrayal of emotions.

I've also been keeping up with Omoi, Omoware, Furi, Furare. Sakisaka Io. Two MCs, one experienced in love and one not, Two guys. No one likes who likes them back, etc. Typical setup but it gets better as it goes along and the girls' friendship is nice.
The big thing I love it about it is Yuna. She's your average pure, shy heroine, but she's so genuinely nice, learns from her mistakes and gets stronger. She should come off as generic and unremarkable but she doesn't and it's magic. The other MC is good too and both the couples for them are alright but Yuna overshadows everything with how cute she is.

Like this page looks a bit gay, but it actually isn't, because this is the proper human response to Yuna from anyone. I'm a massive yurifag with 4 tabs of high impact hand holding doujins open at this very second and this isn't even 1% gay. If you don't feel this while reading about Yuna being adorable there's something wrong with you.
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>>159845789
>>159845489
Does the lesbian get cured? Shoujo loves to cure lesbians
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>>159848253
>Omoi, Omoware, Furi, Furare
Akari(right?)'s exbf showed up so now it's two love triangles. 4 guys, 2 girls. Fucking weak.
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>>159848229
Shoujo stories with male leads and romance as more of a subplot are the best though.
>Mars
>Five Star Monogatari
>Karekano
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>>159799645
>reading about daddy issues and rapey boyfriends
No thanks
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>>159830828
>>159821302
Igarashi a best. A BEST.
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Madam Petit is okay. Even if it is race-mixing propaganda.
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>>159848491
I.e. you're not old enough to find electra complexes hot yet.
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>>159848488
I think what you're trying to say is that stories where the characters have more going on than just romance are best. I can agree with that.
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>>159848431
That was just a phone call plot device and the other guy after Yuna is such an obvious non contender I really can't care. As long as Yuna gets to keep being cute!
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>>159848253
>She should come off as generic and unremarkable but she doesn't and it's magic. The other MC is good too and both the couples for them are alright but Yuna overshadows everything with how cute she is.

You are in the 1%. Nobody likes Yuna and even less people like Rio.
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>>159848034
Nah son Shiro is only after her powers, and even in the case he fell in love with her, Kanoko and Iwai's relationship is steadily progressing.
Gotta give it to Iwai too, he's smooth as fuck when he needs to be.

"Sensei, why do you allow me to be with you after all...?"
"That's because, probably, I have the very same reason as yours"
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>>159848708
You're not caught up, are you? Her ex has been there for a couple chapters and he's hot and drawn well so it looks like he's staying.
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>>159848728
>Nobody likes Yuna
I refuse to believe this. Yuna is adorable and good.

>>159848793
What the fuck. What's the most recent chapter?
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>>159848845
>Yuna is adorable and good.
Yuna is cliche and willingly plays the backup bitch.
>What the fuck. What's the most recent chapter?
25
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>>159821302
>>159821426
>>159822090
Wait, she actually chose one of them?! I thought harem MCs never did that, and if they did, either the series end or something horrible happens.
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I just kinda read whatever looks interesting to me. My personal favorites (if we're only talking manga in general) include Kase-san, Princess Jellyfish, Tokyo Ghoul, Black Butler, and Girlfriends, among other things.

But if strictly talking about shojo, Yonah of the Dawn and Snow White with Red Hair are pretty great. I also liked Orange, but the author's explanation for the "notes from the future" was unnecessary.
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>>159849128
It's subversion of the genre.
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>>159849205
>Orange
>Girl sends notes back in time to cuck her husband and erase her child from existence
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>>159849205
Black Butler comes off as fujoshit (school arc where they literally called each other fagots) but Sebastian has actually fucked women.
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>>159848996
Yuna is charmingly executed and a sweet person. Either way reliable sources(the two friends I know who read this)tells me there are plenty of other people who think Yuna is as good as I do.

Oh raws, Yeah I haven't kept up to date with the raws on this one. Well that sounds like it'll suck. Now the other guy is going to get drawn out too.
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>>159849205
What do you think of Orange continuing with Suwa's story and in Mirai hinting that Kakeru wants to write a letter to his mother to save her?
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>>159849368
Ciel is an actual faggot though
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>>159849560
I wish Yuna would end up with the other guy and not be such a beta orbital bitch around Rio.
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>>159849579
What the fuck happened to Re Collection?
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>>159849579
Orange needs to stop. It's obvious milking at this point.
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>>159849715
I didn't like Rio for ages but he's gotten better. The other guy is more instantly likable but he's also paper thin and has no chance.
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>>159849998
Imagine her milking it till Kakeru and Naho's baby grows up and thinks "Why does Uncle Suwa look lonely sometimes" and writing a letter to the past to find him a gf.
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>>159799645
Where can I read this?
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I miss maid sama. Too bad it'll never ever get another anime.
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>>159805324

If it was cuck shit it would be the bf going elsewhere. It's cheating, since the MC is the girl.
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>>159850182
Stop. I like Kakeru x Nano more than her and Suwa, but I still feel so bad for him. The more new content we get, the more suffering Suwa gets.
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>>159850905
Naho*
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>>159799645
>Why don't you plebs read more shoujo manga?
Because it's terrible, the art is shit 99% of the time, and it lacks the world building and sense of wonder I've come to appreciate from even the most basic of battle shonen. Also, only faggots and women care about muh feelings as their primary motivators.

Finally, why would I read more shojo/josei when I'm currently reading a lot of Seinen? These answers apply whether your question was serious or sarcastic.
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>>159799645
>My fiance did me in front of my boyfriend
What?
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>>159845726
>>159845778
Yet another shoujo ended so soon. It seems all the good shoujo are either ended early or drag on long enough to become bad.
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>>159848034
God damn I hope not
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>>159850993
You sound like a pleb.
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>>159820075
>>159822374
>>159848488
FSS is not shoujo, what?
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>>159848789
Great. So we know there will be progress after 30 chapters
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does anyone know what the drama in takane to hana is? the scanlators had some drama incoming warning and then they dropped it for like half a year before someone else picked it up and is releasing the chapters pretty slowly
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IS THIS STUFF PORN OR NOT?
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>>159826599
Yes this was great!

>>159826978
You are stupid if you think that whatshisface actually tried to steal Sekine's love interest. He was just trying to push Sekine's buttons because he was annoyed that the dude didn't put any effeort into anything but still succeeded. He would have been less of a dick about it, if he had know that Sekine's aloofness was caused by him having been sexually abused so much, that he was unaware of what actually wanting and loving someone felt like.
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>>159829125
It's tragic that the author died. I actually wanted to know how it ends.
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>>159847097
That's because you're too stupid to understand stories aimed at children though.
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>>159828018
Thanks a bunch, anon, she's great. Are you translating it? If not, you should probably tell Hox once you've scanned it, since he was looking for it to work on.
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>>159799645
maybe I should try more Shoujo for sure.

Shonentrash is boring to me right now because I discovered the romantic comedy genre.
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>>159851159
''Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people''.
The entirety of shojo/josei is predicated on discussing people and has no other aspiration. It is, by definition, aimed at small minded people and thus is the ultimate genre for plebs.
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Romance.

>Josei
Shiota-sensei to Amai-chan
14-sai no Koi (no idea how this is Josei, should be listed under Seinen really)

>Shoujo
Card Captor Sakura
Momokuri (had no fucking clue where to put this one, will throw shoujo a bone)

>Shounen
Kono Oto Tomare!
Gundam Build Fighters
Karakai Jouzu no Takagi-san
Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki-kun
Jitsu wa Watashi wa (The only harem I'll ever love)

>Seinen
Tsurezure Children
Gal Gohan
Tsuki Ga Kirei (personal favorite)
Fujiyama-san wa Shishunki
Kaguya Wants to be Confessed To
Wanko ni Kuchizuke (RIP this author. Loved his romance)
Oh, My Sweet Alien! (See above)
Love Lab (FUCK YOU ROYAL WHERE'S THE NEXT CHAPTER)

These are just off the top of my head. I'm an extremely forgettable person so I know I'm missing a ton of key stories here. That said, everything in that list are anime/manga that I consider the cream of the crop and walked away from smiling. There are some that I would have put up there, but the writing isn't good enough to blow me away and the ending is still up in the air. If it's up there and hasn't ended then I just really like it. It's all my personal taste. Seinen is just the best to me.

There is one story I missed that I wanted to put up here but I completely forgot the name of, if anyone can help remind me. It's about a shy girl who wants to fall in love so she gets this magical bracelet which makes her have to perform lovey-dovey acts on boy (conveniently it's the same boy every time). They get lewdwer and lewder and it was a really cute story.

>>159851914
It's the very first story I mention in this post. Beware, it only has 7 chapters translated like 2 years ago, sadly.
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>>159845225
I love this series, but Machida-kun himself is probably legit retarded. I hope the author gives him a lesson at some point about blindly trusting others because in real life he would get himself badly hurt at some point.
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>>159852136
Oh, and obviously I prefer het. As much as I like to shitpost yurifags and yaoifags, I'm sure there's some great content out there for both.
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I enjoyed Pig Bride. Did anyone else enjoy Pig Bride?
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>>159852136
>14-sai no Koi (no idea how this is Josei, should be listed under Seinen really)
The magazine's seinen, per the publisher's website. The magazine's just weird as fuck so a lot of people, including MU, get confused about what demographic it is.
>Momokuri (had no fucking clue where to put this one, will throw shoujo a bone)
This is a demographic-less web magazine.
>Gundam Build Fighters
>Tsuki ga Kirei
Anime originals don't have these demographics. I guess the manga adaptations have demographics, but I don't think you're talking about those.
I think your list is pretty shit, by the way, but we've got six posts left and I don't care enough to argue.
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>>159845137
It came out with two drama CDs earlier this year. It just has irregular releases.

>>159848253
Yuna is the purest and should be protected from Sakisaka's melodrama bullshit at all costs.

>>159848793
Absolutely not. He was literally only there to tell Akari what a shithead she was when they dated.
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>>159849276
>>159849579
Did the glasses guy and the gyaru-ish girl ever get together? I watched the anime just for them.
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>>159852313
Thanks for the rundown on demographics.

If you think that list is shit you are seriously lost. I can only imagine that you indulge in only the most shitty dramafest anime/manga.
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>>159852136
>I'm an extremely forgettable person
Hah. You mean you're forgetful.
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>>159845876
Shit, I know this is a parody in a manga, but I forgot what. I would have said GSNK, but that's 4-koma only.
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>>159852392
They start dating in the timeline where Kakeru and Naho are a couple.
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I like glorified shoujo by female authors that they publish as seinen, like Atelier of the Pointy Hat or Arte.
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>>159852136
>>Shounen
>Kono Oto Tomare!

I keep forgetting this, keep thinking it was shoujo. It's such a good manga though
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>>159852423
Not that guy but I have to agree, your list is shit.
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>>159853052
Not too surprised. I posted a list of mostly drama-less romances in a thread about shoujo/josei. Now that I think about it i doubt most people in here would like any of those. My bad.
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>>159813848
>this fat old man made me unable to live without thick long and hard megacocks in front of my boyfriend
just doesn't have the same ring to it
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>>159849368

Meh, I was mostly interested in the dark comedy and the campiness of this series. I've read better mystery thrillers, though. Honestly, though, on my personal scale of 1 to Hannibal: The TV Series (the producer of which was gay), this doesn't even register as a 5.
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>>159853148
>>159852423
It's not even about drama - I love Bonnouji, for example, but some of the stuff you posted is barely even romance. I mean, Gal Gohan is literally just a standard-issue gyaru and a standard-issue male-lead, who aren't in a relationship, doing nothing in particular (they cook every other chapter, I guess) with no apparent progression, fleshing out of the characters, or other content. There's not even a particularly interesting dynamic/chemistry between them (which at least Takagi-san has). I mean, she's hot and it's cute when she blushes, but the series is what, one volume in and I'm already bored.
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>>159853633
That's fair enough. I'm easy to please and Gal Gohan is the only tolerable Gyaru manga I've ever found. I'm also a sucker for student/teacher so it goes into my tastes. That's a good criticism to keep it off the list I suppose. It's definitely probably the weakest one on there.

I don't think it's enough to call the list shit though. Bonnouji is one that I forgot and would definitely be on there. Damn good manga, and doesn't drag itself out forever.
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>tfw you love shoujo but don't like "romance manga"
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>>159851460
>He was just trying to push Sekine's buttons because he was annoyed that the dude didn't put any effeort into anything but still succeeded

That's the exact same thing.
>I wasn't trying to impregnate your wife
>I just fucked her a bunch

>>159852055
Writing off stuff just because you aren't brave enough to find gems among shit is the epitome of pleb.
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>>159852353
>Absolutely not. He was literally only there to tell Akari what a shithead she was when they dated.

Do you even read shoujo? Me, I've read enough of it to tell which guys are gonna stick around and be bothers.
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You know that shoujo manga about the anorexic loli that sometimes shows up on bato.to/other sites?
Well the author decided to tank their manga by making another hot guy come out of nowhere, be in love with her, and kiss her while she's on the phone with her boyfriend.

figured I'd save you the rage
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>>159851327
Takane loses all his money and power. Becomes a poorfag and moves into a 1ldk. Newest chapter (51) her childhood friend confesses to her.
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>>159855115
He wasn't even trying to fuck her. He was just hanging out with sara and her grandpa. she even knew he had girlfriends. There was never anything romantic between the two of them.
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>>159853757
Bonnouji is overrated and boring. The female lead is a materialistic shit and the male lead is completely uninteresting if not for the garbage his brother sends him.
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>>159852136
>Wanko
Bentengou was easily best girl in that manga. I do like how FeMC grew a bit of a spine though.
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>>159853850
Well that's fine. There are some decent mystery, slice of life, and horror shoujos out there. Fantasy shoujo isn't too terrible either.
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Who else enjoyed Stepping on Roses for how main guy was a total asshole that manipulated his best friend into falling in love with his wife and in the course turning him 100% yandere?

It was hell of a ride.
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>>159855456
I know, but there's no reason for the author to do any of that except to make that autistic fuck suffer. I got especially mad that the third-wheel guy had gotten way closer to them then he had and Sekine just sees it and walks away.
What's the fucking point? It's not like it was even important to the narrative. Just autist torturing.

At least it's not Perfect World though
>literal bully, cuck, and emotionally torture paraplegic: the manga
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>>159855636
I love the page where the best friend is chopping down the bedroom door with an axe while the main guy was fucking her. It was like a parody of The Shining.
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