Rem Is Best Girl

>>159459815
Because he is retarded and didn't deserve her love.

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>>159459836
He didn't even deserve Neekoboy

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>>159459815
Subaru made the mistake lots of kids make by persisting after the first tits they saw like a newly hatched duckling following after the first thing they see for the rest of their life.

Now I'm not saying Emilia's a bad girl, and if there was some reciprocation there then I'd have less beef with his decision..

But damn dude when the cute blue-haired jailbait goddess says she wants your fucking babies and the knife ears is unresponsive, fill that bitch up with babies

>>159459815
Emilia can do all that.

>>159459815
I thought she was boring precisely because of all those things you listed. Emilia was also boring, but at least she was a beauty.

>>159459815
>Cute blue bob hair
>Beautiful smile
>Innocent and caring eyes
>Impeccable maid outfit, that she wears everywhere
>Accepts headpats
>Gives you lap pillow
>Loyal
>Twin
>Insanely strong
>Will go berserk to save you
>Emotional backstory
>Will follow you to hell and back
>Will never let you
>Cleans, cooks and does the laundry
>Openly declares her love
>Wants to raise beautiful half-demon children with you and have a simple life
All that is your bullshit?
Wow seriously Rem is the most overrated shit i ever see

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Emilia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shit (Team Rem) > Rem

It's all for the plot. Tappei will probably let Rem and Subaru bw together and Make Emilia die or something.
Now if Tappei wasnt a fucking hack then he'd make a new character that Rem would fall for who wasn't a dumbfuck. Then Emilia would also find someone who is truly mature and like her for better reasons. Subaru just ends alone and has to accept that his greed got the best of him and he has to move on.

>annoying
>can't stand up for her feelings
>is in love with a fag who is in love with someone else
>awful hairstyle and outfit
>is a mindless, generic devoted maid
How is she best girl again?

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Emilia-tan maji tenshi.

>>159460091
Will Emilia ever watch people sleep, try to roofie them, or fake her death for a tragic romance scene?
>>159460597
>>can't stand up for her feelings
But she does. Just not in the anime,

>>159460700
Remfag is acting like a cancer again

How did Remfags become the minority on 4chan? What happened?

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Is Rem a cuck?

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>>159460782
They didn't. Emilia is the shitposters choice.

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>>159459815
> tfw you will never have a blue-haired, elf-like girl tell you she loves you and wants to have a peaceful life raising your babies.
Why even live

>>159460884
>Rem
>elf-like
isn't she an orc or some shit?

>>159460902
This is actually the funniest post I've read this week.

>>159460884
>wants to have a peaceful life raising your babies.
It didn't happen and Rem even rejected that shit, though.

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>>159460810
> slut emilia cheating on MC with some other guy.
Rem a best

>>159460963
That's not Emilia-tan.

>>159460836
This. Real Emiliafags don't exist (at least on 4chan)

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>>159461000
I genuinely like Emilia, and I know other anons who do.

>>159459815
Because rem is shit and a cuck

>>159460958
She rejected it in that particular context. Her later actions make it clear she's still planning to bear his children.

>>159460902
Same shit

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>>159459815
Why are you calling Rem generic?

>>159461083
remove Ferri

>>159461104
Ferris is better than your trash waifu

>>159461083
>Trap thinks those two had sex already
>Decides to cockblock them
Everytime

>>159461055
Yes, she just wants to fuck Rem's hero, not just any guy. She isn't an easy fuck unlike some people might think.

Rem is an easy girl

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>>159461133
>Broke the alliance between the Crusch and Subar- I mean Emilia faction
>Proceeded to tell him to give up on saving his blue oni girlfriend because of his own misery

Fuck him

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>>159461151
I don't know. She'd be a pretty easy fuck for Subaru. He could probably take her any time or place, and she wouldn't resist. Actually, she'd probably orgasm before he even got her panties off.

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>>159461078
>Same shit
umm no sweetie

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>>159461083
>We will never see this couple act lovey dovey ever again
Satella is such a bitch

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>>159461286
>for Subaru
Not every Subaru, though.

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>>159461390
She'd be fine if he smiled while raping her right then and there.

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>>159461390
Dunno anon, those neighbors of theirs heard some pretty lewd stuff.

>>159461441
That Rem is shit. Subaru in that story is also shit since he is not Rem's hero.

>>159459815
>Will never let you
but I want to

>>159461478
Subaru dragging is near dead body to protect Rem was pretty neat though, even if he did it also in arc 4.

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>>159461083
Today I'll remind them

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>>159461596

>>159459815
Too bad she'll lose. Tappei isn't even trying to hide it with the way he has Emilia as his twitter icon and has mostly retweeted fanart concerning Emilia or Emilia x Subaru.

>>159461423
Wouldn't she get suspicious and ask him why he suddenly gives no shit about Emilia, why he starts behaving like a degenerate, why he doesn't want to have tender and passionate lovemaking with her instead, etc.?

>>159459815
>poor
>owned by a gay clown
>cuckold
>Fucking orphan
that's why.

>>159461893
Well the whole "I love Emilia" thing was due to him believing he does not feel like a man worthy enough for Rem. As well as some other factors.

>>159461776
Fanboys are idiots for believing rem is not going to lose because muh popularity when countless side characters have lost in the same exact fashion. Authors dont give a shit.

>>159461893
She didn't ask anything like that when he grabbed her in his sleep. She just realized he didn't actually have the balls to do that kind of thing. If Subaru genuinely chose to push her down and fuck her right then and there, he probably wouldn't meet anything more than token resistance.

>>159461776
That only shows that Tappei has shit taste. Rem is already a winner in my book

>>159461776
Anon Emilia isn't winning either. Subaru has said that if he rejects her feelings, he would be a man with no blood nor tears to shed. I don't know why Emiliafags think Subaru will be calm if she's gone, it's all but confirmed that Subaru will go apeshit, most likely using his authorities to their fullest potential (currently Sloth and Greed) in order to kill Gluttony and take his ability.

>>159462134
>She didn't ask anything like that when he grabbed her in his sleep.
Because he was asleep the whole time and didn't have any control over his action at all? Raping someone isn't something normal Subaru will do so she will question that shit immediately if it happens.

>>159462191
It doesn't matter if Tappei has shit taste or not, because that's reversing cause and effect. Tappei doesn't like Emilia because he has shit taste, Emilia is shit because Tappei likes her.

>>159462397
She didn't realize that at first. And besides, it wouldn't be rape if it were Subaru. Rem would consent almost immediately if Subaru tried something.

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>>159462353
This, Subaru has strangled people just for shittalking about Rem before. Him losing it if there is no way to save her isn't out of the question. That or make Emilia ruler with all his power, but we both know how the Ayamatsu went down.

>>159462191
He's not telling the whole truth anon, even the Q&As and his own writing tell a different story.
>>159462439
Not true at all, Emilia is written how she is for a reason you know.

>>159459815
Less screen time than who?

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>>159462462
>She didn't realize that at first.
She was watching him sleep the whole time.
>Rem would consent almost immediately if Subaru tried something.
She would?

>>159462128
It isn't really "muh popularity", its just how the story is heading and how Tappei talk about Subaru and Rem's relationship in comparison to Subaru and Emilia's. The ones read so far lean heavily on one side. Even narratively the power gap is also lopsided to the Oni, with her being Satella repellent, "You heart's girl" and whatnot. As of right now there isn't much going for Emilia and we're halfway through the story.

>>159462606
>She was watching him sleep the whole time.
Yes. But then he grabbed her, and it took a moment for her to realize that he was still asleep and hadn't woken up.
>She would?
She was disappointed that Subaru was still asleep. She wants the D pretty badly. She's not going to do everything Subaru tells her, and she will be strict with him when it matters, but she's not going to stop him if he sticks his hand down her skirt.

>>159462721
> she will be strict with him when it matters
B E S T
> she's not going to stop him if he sticks his hand down her skirt.
G I R L

>>159462721
>Yes.
Oh and he barely did anything to her besides simply hugging her. It would be too early to question anything.
>she will be strict with him when it matters
For a dense mofo to behave like a rapist, it doesn't sound right at all.
>"Well, please give me a cool hairstyle. One that'll be handsome enough that Emilia-tan can't help but fawn over me."
>The naive boy did not notice his words deeply stabbed into the girl's heart behind him. But even his innocence was something that she loved.

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>>159462714
Really, ever since the whole Witch of Envy Satella looks exactly like Emilia and a dark hand gripping Subaru's heart when he think of Emilia leaving makes me not trust everything that's happening. Also how coincidental that the gospels lead additional archbishops to remove the only thing as of arc 3 that repels Satella away from Subaru.

Well, the only thing that wasn't enhanced using Echidna's power.
>>159462864
>behave like a rapist,
I was exaggerating with the "rape" bit. However, it's very obvious that Rem wouldn't mind if Subaru was a bit forceful with the whole matter. She wants to fuck him. If he wanted to fuck her, then everything is fine.

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If any of you actually bother reading the WN you'd find that Emilia is the cuck, not Rem.

>>159459815
Yeah, yeah we get. Rem is the best waifu for all the lonely mouthbreathers who get a real gf.

Now you have a nice cockhoster.

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>>159463003
>If he wanted to fuck her, then everything is fine.
Again, depending on which Subaru asks to fuck her. A Subaru that does have genuine feelings for her? Yes. But a Subaru who is either all over Emilia or behaves out of his character and just wants to fuck her for no reason? I don't think so.

>>159462353
He never said that and no he wouldn't do any of that. He'll get depressed than move on with his life. He's not you who's entirely life revolve around one thing.

>>159462714
This pure bullshit and vague ass interpretation on your part. Tappei can easily Rem out of equation if he wants because she ain't doing she to stop progression of Subaru and Emilia relationship.

And you if think Subaru is gonna get up and start fucking Rem when she wakes up you don't know writing this story. SubXEmi isn't going away no matter the mental gymnastics. Best your getting is a 3 way relationship or nothing.

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Every thread until Rem wakes up.

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>>159461596
I'll admit I fucking teared up when I first saw this.

>>159462866
>Also how coincidental that the gospels lead additional archbishops to remove the only thing as of arc 3 that repels Satella away from Subaru.
I've been wondering about this. How comes not one but two fucking archbishops showed up at the exact same time just to ambush Crusch's convoy? Ley being there was understandable since he was going after those that killed his pet. But what about Regulus? Why was he even there? And what was his purpose?

>>159463340
Here is the problem with your statement, even Subaru said himself he is not willing to enter any relationship due to Rem, so yes Rem has stopped progression, even further putting into the point is its both Subaru and Emilia contributing to it as well, as Subaru being reluctant, even fearful and Emilia being dense.
>Subaru is gonna get up and start fucking Rem when she wakes up you don't know writing this story
The man has been trying to hold back from touching Rem's souless body even further, projects Rem onto Patarche and Ram as a mechanism to cope, is currently in suicide tower trying to bring his oni back based on loose information given by a Witch. Then there is Carmilla, Subaru visiting Rem's room every night to the point that if he doesn't its a rare sight, and not to mention the handmade wheelchair provided by his own design and money. As well as the fact that Subaru was about ready to spend a nightly celebration with Rem before she got nommed.

>>159463619
dont bother emiliafags man

they are below human

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>>159463340
Not either of them but I hope you do know that Subaru has used Rem's words as part of his way of life. Plus getting depressed over losing Rem is an understatement, he is legitimately a broken man without her around and will probably be even moreso if he truly can't save her. Don't take Rem's fate as "The last bastion of his heart" lightly anon, because when Subaru said Rem fundamentally made him a better man he really meant it

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>>159461596

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Just imagine Subaru trying to fuck rem and getting PTSD flashbacks of when she was all broken and shit.

>>159463619
Right. Did Subaru stil remember the potato when he was having fun with everyone on the trip in arc 5 though?

Why is there no electric magic?

>>159463823
>[Subaru: Now that I think about it, I wonder how it’d be. Even if Rem was awake, I feel like that situation wouldn’t really be any different. Maybe it’d be because of my incompetence. Maybe it’d be because you’d give me your props.]
>Subaru said this while pulling out a chair and then sat down at the side of the bed. The faint moonlight that came in from the gap between the curtains just barely brought the figure of the girl―the girl whose sleeping face was being exposed on top of the bed―into his field of vision.
>Her white face that bathed in the moonlight. Her cherry blossom lips. Her short, blue hair. Her body that was surprisingly rich with feminineness, wrapped in a light night gown. Her chest that went up and down from her systematic breathing. The Sleeping Beauty. >――The girl that has continued to be in a state of slumber like this for more than a whole year now.
>[Subaru: I have so much to tell you today, because an uninvited guest came in with a ridiculous question. First, at the start of my morning, just like always――]
>Subaru wore a calm face as he made a speech towards the sleeping girl. Even though he normally told his stories in a facetious way, the tone of his voice was extremely gentle. He told her about the day’s incident in a cheerful way with a tone that was similar to a considerate tone one would use when talking to a napping baby.
>She did not respond. But even then, his romantic rendezvous could continue throughout the evening every time. Particularly, in this night where he had many things to talk about, Subaru would continue to tell his heartfelt, wild stories to the Sleeping Beauty up until the time when the moon would already be long gone.

Always.

>>159463619
>
Here is the problem with your statement, even Subaru said himself he is not willing to enter any relationship due to Rem, so yes Rem has stopped progression, even further putting into the point is its both Subaru and Emilia contributing to it as well, as Subaru being reluctant, even fearful and Emilia being dense.


NO he's not ready to enter a full blown relationship with her yet because HE is the one not ready.

This does not change the inevitability of it getting there. Moreover one of core concepts of this story has been development of their relationship which has been buliding from day one and is tied to too many things. That's not gonna get drop just for a blue girl and certainly not biggest Emiliafag who is writing this story. Rem can't even put a dent his feeling for Emilia because how he feels about and Emilia are completely different so there no room for her there. In order fro her to even win Tappei had write a non-canon where Emilia ceased to exist so his mind was on her. Every arc has them getting closer so deluding yourself trying find any detail you hope slightly ambiguous and supports SubxRem is just pointless waste of time. Most Japanese fans already see the writing on wall here.

Let's be real if Tappei had been planning to have Rem win he would broken Emilia and Subaru relationship a long time ago or never had it formed. The fact you have project and interpret in his feelings that no way supported by the story shows how you much grasping at straws.

He doesn't view Patarche or Rem as stands in to cope with anything nor does ever once thing of them like that. That is another of your interpretation.

>>159463809
Probably cried alot during sex

>>159459815
Who's Rem?

>>159463905
Electric magic is, what, current manipulation? Isekai does not have it because our reality is dominated by it

>>159464109
That doesn't make sense.

>>159464132
Magic doesn't have to make sense, but if it's properly explained, it's interesting

>>159463731
>Not either of them but I hope you do know that Subaru has used Rem's words as part of his way of life.

That's it exactly. Rem's role ultimately him find his feet again and face Emilia, not form a couple that would eventually displaced Emilia in his heart. In fact as far as he's concerned if he ever stopped loving Emilia it would be a betrayal of his feelings and Rem's sacrifice to him.

In fact here

Arc 4 Ch 27

>――Right now, is Emilia prepared for that?

>Having touched only a fragment of the weight of her past, just how much strength had Subaru’s words and actions lent her up to now?

>A shallow worldview, some insignificant efforts, and his empty proclamations of love. Just how much support could they have truly given her?

>[Subaru: ……Just what… can I even do for you?]

>He liked Emilia. He fell in love with her. He wanted to go on being in love with her, he thought.

>He wanted her to like him. He wanted her to fall in love with him. And he wanted her to go on being in love with him, he thought, too.

>That’s why, he wanted to make her happy. To become her strength. And to take all the pain, and bitterness, and sorrow in her stead.

>Even if he could not bear it, even if she would not let him, he wanted to be her support.

>――Like the girl who brought him back and made him stand, Subaru wanted to do for Emilia what Rem had done for him.

>Like Rem, who loved him with the entirety of her being, in the same way, Subaru wanted to become Emilia’s support.

>Only this way, could Subaru truly fulfill the first promise he made to Rem.

This a lot more deeper from him than you stupid waifwar. This in no way going away.

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To this day I don't understand how Subaru could possibly love Emilia more or the same as he loves Rem. It's unnatural. It simply has to be related to his timetravel relationship with Satella.

Hey, if Emilia has to win (ew) then so be it, but make it coherent please. It's like Tappei was writing about his highschool crush but forgot to consider no one else gives a shit about her. What a hack.

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>>159464025
I believe you are taking this the wrong way, I am not saying the Subaru and Emilia relationship will be abandoned, but based on everything written in the story and the Q&As that Subaru and Emilia's relationship might not be heading in a positive direction. The build up may be there from square one but let me remind you that that very first square may be the foreshadowing of the entire story, being Emilia introducing herself as Satella to Subaru, not to mention the things that bound those two together is Satella, envy, and tragedy. There have been no event culminating to where there is a positive outlook for what is to come. You also need to consider the core concept of this story revolves around themes of tragedy as well. Plus to say Rem didn't put a dent despite the narration literally saying Rem took over a big chunk of his heart. Also I don't see how you think this is a projection or interpretation o his feelings as everything is there and fuelled by the narration itself, with Subaru himself backing it up.

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>>159464211
Yet somehow shortly after this chapter there is the chapter where Otto beats some sense into him regarding this.

Is there guro of Rem?

>>159464204
Where was it explained why there's no electric magic?

>>159464211
I believe you might need to read that passage again if you believe this is something positive, maybe also read all of arc 4 while your at it. There is a reason why chapter 31 aka pic related here >>159463731 came after chapter 27. Which is too, not going away either. Subaru only wanting to show his determined side that shows no weakness only to crumble isn't something to be proud of.

>>159464276
Because love is not monetary obligation where it is decided by who and how much one does what for you. Or competition for that matter. If Subaru came that far away to Arc 3 because of his feelings for Emilia. That is his stake in it. Subaru could continue to do everything in his power for Emilia's sake as Rem has with him, but it's her choice to accept his feelings as it is for him with Rem.

>>159464321
Except there nothing the WN implying what you say. This very fact that Arc 4 further distances the connection between Emilia and Satella, Subaru knows his feelings are being because actually happens to him when he meets Satella it never happens with Emilia. Even if Emilia and Satella are connected Satella shows no interest Emilia ever and even kills her.

Rem has never managed to shaken his heart from Emilia, not in front of her confession where himself checked his own feelings. Rem has come occupy of his heart, but not the space where Emilia is. She can't do so because she entirely different person from Emilia. This something you don't seem to get.

>>159464390
No Otto beats sense into regarding his martyrdom complex and not trust people to share his burdens. That happens near the start of the final loop of the Arc after coming out of Witches Ceremony.

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>>159464631
It's put as positive in the story and how he managed to cope with life and find in direction. So um no.

Arc 4 Ch 18

>The silver visage that appeared within his mind, sent a sweetness into Subaru’s heart.

>It was a radiance that brought warmth to the stagnating Subaru, who had long been frozen in place.

>Silver――was supposed to be a color of coldness, but to Subaru now, it was a source of endless warmth and the strength to march forward. As though mesmerized by this heat,

Emilia is a symbol of warmth and happiness for him. He feels the same about her as Rem does for him. So twisting into waifuwar nonsense isn't gonna work.

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>>159464634
>Arc 4 further distances the connection between Emilia and Satella
Well I guess you have a different interpretation than me
>Even if Emilia and Satella are connected Satella shows no interest Emilia ever and even kills her.
I believe you do know that you need to take into account Puck's contract right? With the intention of killing the RbD user.
>Subaru knows his feelings are being because actually happens to him when he meets Satella it never happens with Emilia.
I believe the word you are trying to say here is manipulated so in response to that is pic related.
>She can't do so because she entirely different person from Emilia.
Ah yes, Subaru stated this as well.
>[Emilia: Yeah. I think that’s right. Subaru will devote himself to that girl for a while, and he might stop caring about me as well.]
>[Subaru: No. Under no circumstances would that…..]
>happen. It shouldn’t happen.
>He swears that his feelings towards Emilia would not waver from now on either. It’s just that his feelings for Emilia were a different part of the entirety of his feelings. Him having strong feelings towards Rem is a fact, and just like Emilia said, if she were to wake up, there was no doubt that he’d become devoted to her.
>However, she says “it’s fine” to Subaru. Then
Just not as convincingly
>>159464788
Not him but you are not putting the whole thing into context here, you do know that after this very passage Subaru said a pale blue light overtook the silver one right?

>>159464788
There is a difference between finding direction and using something to pull said direction. Just saying.

>>159464879
Also to add about heat levels regarding to those two Rem has been stated many times "not warm, but hot" for some reason, make that of what you will. Other than that I shall take my rest.

>>159464879
>Well I guess you have a different interpretation than me.

I'm not interpreting anything though because it's isn't ambiguous.

-Emilia was born 100 year ago and had her own parents.
-Her physical features come from her parents according to Fortuna and nothing else.
-Satella is still a has her own body and spirit
-Satella's goals have nothing to do with her and never even acknowledges Emilia's existence anymore than anyone else. They may still share some relation through bloodline.

>
I believe you do know that you need to take into account Puck's contract right? With the intention of killing the RbD user.

No I don't because nothing in the story implies any connection whatsoever. That is you speculation.

>Ah yes, Subaru stated this as well.

This passage doesn't mean anything. That what Emilia thinks which came from the doubt Roswaal implanted in her. Betty noticed he was up to something again.

>Not him but you are not putting the whole thing into context here, you do know that after this very passage Subaru said a pale blue light overtook the silver one right?

Everything is context and it's not what you mean t all.

From the very same chapter:

>Charmed forth by the silver radiance granting him heat, and pushed from behind him by the sky-blue warmth prompting him to walk forward, Natsuki Subaru, whose story was supposed to have come to an end, once again started off from Zero.

>Because he realized this, because he remembered this, because he had decided to march forth from Zero――before Zero, he must now resolve the Minus of his past.

Basically your just fishing for stuff that isn't there. Tappei isn't gonna upend the relationship he's been building from beginning to satisfy you. This started with Subaru and Emilia for a reason and it's stayed the course for a reason with Rem never affecting his feeling at all. Until Subaru disengages himself you are just making excuses.

>>159465124
You're just splitting hairs about the obvious here for no other reason that want Rem to win.

At this point Subaru have sex with Emilia in front of Rem and never think about her and you still grasp at some straw.

Emilia and Rem are his happiness at end of the day and it's been reinforced throughout the story that "whataboutism" just falls fat on it's face. Emilia is his reason to live as much Subaru is Rem's. This part of the reason why Puck entrust her to him to watch over. The author isn't going back on that.

And between Emilia and Rem, Tappei isn't gonna screw his heroine for someone this story isn't even about. Anyone who is not blind knows that. He gave Remfags the Rem IF for that and you are just going to have accept that.

>>159464696
You effectively also cut the other half of the chapter about this but alright

>>159464025
Why does Subaru project Rem onto Ram and Patarche then?

>>159465207
okay ESL

>>159465425
Not him but you're not the author, stop pretending to know how it will end. You're acting like the story is predicable when it really isn't so you being so sure that Emilia will 'win' because of 'muh first girl must win' rule will only backfire. Then the whole bs about how it doesn't matter how much Rem does, the same counts for Subaru you know?

>>159465207
>This started with Subaru and Emilia for a reason and it's stayed the course for a reason with Rem never affecting his feeling at all.

Lol let me quote tappei here
>It’s often said that characters that go beyond the author’s plans come alive. Subaru is a protagonist that strongly goes towards that trend, but she is the one who jumped over that framework and moved it. Not even a fragment of the initial plot’s top face is left. As a result of love for her springing up, this has become the only character introduction that appears to be favored this much.

Maybe Emilia was suppose to win the in the beginning but seeing how he hit a gold mine with Rem he rewrote the whole plot because his "main heroine" was received poorly.

Ram > Rem

This 7 says so

>>159465898
If Ram didn't have such horrid shit taste in men I would also be on this boat. Nee-sama is amazing.

>>159465430
No I didn't. Otto was never against his feelings for Emilia in the first place, his issue was that Subaru overestimating her which hampered his ability to address her issues and his feelings to reach her. That is another chapter by the way. When he finally decided to be strict with her for own sake like Rem did with him he was finally able to get her to trust him emotionally.

It wasn't bait Tappei put there to say he must fuck Rem ahagasyhhf or something.

>>159465577
None of what I am saying requires me to pretend anything. Even if Emilia end up together that not suggestion it will be the ending because Subaru could still die afterwards. So you would be wrong to think this mutually exclusive. But Suabru and Emilia becoming a couple would not be fortune telling, that's just how the story been building up at least far their relationship goes especially with Emilia now falling him.

Unrequited love between two leading characters becoming requited is general what happens in these when hey are a core part of the plot. That's whole point of their relationship being strengthen by all these conflicts. The only other not to go forward to solely pander to another base, not write his story on bases when these relationship develop.

Besides if Tappei were Remfag, she would be one Emilia's position and Emilia probably wouldn't exist.

>>159465992
Why do you keep implying that tappei -fags any character at all?

>>159466030
Tappei has said Emilia is favorite character. He also had his Emilia avatar on twitter ever since the first LN came out. He retweets a bunch of Emilia fanart, SubEmi fanart and talks about her the most of his character.

Anyone think he would knee her chance to win the Subarubowl so he could pander to potatofags is drinking too much Koolaid

>>159465992
>Besides if Tappei were Remfag, she would be one Emilia's position and Emilia probably wouldn't exist.
I really hope you are joking about this. Because this is really bad logic.

>>159465857
You're quote doesn't imply anything your trying to say. For reference he also reiterated both in volume 1's afterward and Q&A this story about a hapless guy doing his best for the half elf he loves.

It's even brought up in both Arc 3 WN and LN ending narration before the epilogue:


>Many loops of despair and sadness that continued for a long time, finally overcame them and achieved this quiet, peaceful time.

>This is just a story to reach those quiet peaceful time. This is just a story with long lost winding roads, where feelings intervened

>A boy without self confidence, letting his feelings known to a girl without self confidence. This is just a story to try his best for a purpose like that.

Moreover:

>Maybe Emilia was suppose to win the in the beginning but seeing how he hit a gold mine with Rem he rewrote the whole plot because his "main heroine" was received poorly.

Nice asspull but no. Emilia is already well liked in the community and as far any of them are concerned it can go eitherway or both. Unlike you they don't give that much of shit about thsi waifu divisions. Subaru said his piece and proven his actions on that matter, but still making excuses based on wanting him to fuck Oni pussy.

>>159466285
>author is a biased hack
good to know that the author is that retarded

>>159466285
>tappei tries hard to make Emilia more popular
>still can't even come close to Rem's popularity
he gets cucked so hard it's hilarious

>>159466443
And it's good to know your fucking retarded for calling others retard for having a different opinion than you.

You're biased fuck yourself dumbass and are just salty he doesn't agree with you.

>>159466510
tappei is not a reader, he's the author you dumbass

>>159466503
>implying he gives a shit
>implying the JP fanbase gives a shit

Nobody Asian community really gives much of fuck about you penile desires. The only thing getting cucked is you for your pointless shit.

You grasping a so much straws you finally buried yourself in them in desperation.

>>159466598
>Authors are not human with wants and ideas

You're fucking retarded. Subaru and Emilia are MCs incase you didn't know. The story isn't written to be objective to begin with. That's why another guy isn't winning her and another girl isn't wining him.

You're post just another "baww, why isn't he putting who I like first?!"

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>>159459815
I want to massage Rem's feet !

>>159466601
if he is that much of an Emiliafag then he surely gives a fuck about what the audience likes, it's like you can't even comprehend basic human feelings

Emiliafags can't even read the Rem side stories without getting butthurt, but tappei enjoys writing them if you didn't notice. He even says that writing about the Natsuki family makes him extremely happy.

>>159466683
but Subaru loves Rem? So what's your point?

>>159466737

No because writers do not write to "please" a audience by doing whatever the audience demands, doing that would completely destroy any attempt at coherent storytelling.

Writers do change their minds as writing is a evolving process and things might take a direction the author didnt originally planned but in the end a author is just not going to change his work because shippers want their slasfic to be OTP.

>>159466683
why do you always come to these threads for a year now just to argue about how Emilia is going to win? If you were actually convinced about that then you wouldn't try so hard to make others believe your sperglord shit.

>>159466831
>author can write whatever he wants!
>but he can not change this and that because I say so!
this guy

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>>159466737
>if he is that much of an Emiliafag then he surely gives a fuck about what the audience likes, it's like you can't even comprehend basic human feelings

Yeah, guess what? Rem isn't the only character they like. It's not a either or thing. His audience doesn't pressure him to write the story in particular direction, they just like Rem that's all.

You need stop projecting. They aren't as childish as you.

>
Emiliafags can't even read the Rem side stories without getting butthurt, but tappei enjoys writing them if you didn't notice. He even says that writing about the Natsuki family makes him extremely happy.

Except Emiliafags do, at leats the JP ones. JP Remfags draw SubEmi ships. You just fucking small minded fag who's only real investment in this series is seeing Subaru living voraciously through your desires, not Subaru himself or story.

>>159466946
tell me, did you read the Rem side stories?

>>159466866

Emilia is too central to the story to be discarded just for Rei OTP.

Authors can change their mind and have done so, the second Macross F movie was to be about Ranka yet it ended up being another Sheryl movie.

I am saying yes and no because they can change their mind but unless its Seo that names the series after a character and then have said character be run over by a truck as a SHOCKING TWIST and then continues the series as if nothing really happened ... well, I dont think many writers just decide to flush out their series outline.

>>159466977

Meant Rem, time to go to sleep me ...

>>159466774
And he loves Emilia and still loves her now even before Rem got anywhere. It's you fags who arguing against the ship selective arguments and interpretations the don't align anything the character actually feel.

Even your darling Rem knew Subaru loved Emilia, but your still playing the whataboutism that's only amount to nothing.

>>159466831
You got. Remfags around here are so dishonest and pretend to know to why no self-respecting author does that.

They are just butthurt that Rem isn't Emilia position so they make kind of hypocritical arguments and double standards they would make if things were the other way around. They sure hell don't try to play mental gymnastics about any of Subaru's direct feelings about just his equal direct ones to Emilia.

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>>159467078

>>159466946
why do you think the minority is more important than the majority? Most of the "artist" who draw re:zero characters draw them to promote themselves, not because they care about the story or the characters.

>>159467089
>says that Emilia will win because Subaru loves Emilia
>Subaru actually loves Rem too
>No! But Emilia will win because I say so!
I laughed, thanks

>>159466974
Only some of the chapters. It's just pure SoL without any particular direction so it didn't keep my interest for too long. Its cute, but also the kind of thing you only really like that much if your super invested into Rem.

>it's a Rem thread
>ESL Emiliafags get triggered and start to shit it up
every fucking time

>>159467202
>It's just pure SoL
did you read the new ones? they are not pure SoL

>>159467202
you're not even the anon I asked the question, and no the new ones aren't SoL, they feel pretty much like the main story

>>159461028
She isn't actually bad, it's understandable she'd get pissed with Subaru - he's doing things she exactly asked him not to and in the process humiliates her in front of the nobles (when it's the last thing she - an elf - should want). He does many things on his own ignoring and hurting her, has wild fantasies about their relationship and never explains anything to her( we know that the last one isn't his fault, but she doesn't).
Emilia is an Ok character, wot generic isentai heroine design.
The problem is that she is forced by the author on us as the final waifu, when Rem IS better than her in every aspect (except for elfness)

>>159467327
Oni > Elf
Subaru agrees

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>>159467113
Because Emilia not a minority and Tappei doesn't segregate his fans like that. If he were writing his story like that you wouldn't have as it is Re:Zero in first place, just an mess of a story based on waifusim whom plot very little people would actually enjoy the story itself because Tappei made about one girl for your fantasies.

>>159467144
Nice try, but I didn't say that. I've outlined my reasons which are all based on the plot and it's developments around SubEmi including Subaru's own thoughts and only said a Rem ending isn't gonna happen because that isn't the direction of the MU. You're ADHD too pay attention to that it ain't my fault.

>>159467224
>>159467279
Then what is this main story.

>>159467355
But he doesn't.

>>159467327
>e problem is that she is forced by the author on us as the final waifu, when Rem IS better than her in every aspect (except for elfness)

No she isn't unless you're that shallow. Nobody is better than to anyone cares about people rather than tools.

>>159467461
addendum

And Rem is not less generic either. There a dime a dozen loyal maid characters in the industry.

>>159467398
>Because Emilia not a minority
>Rem 85:15 Emilia
not a minority, okay

>just an mess of a story based on waifusim
that's literally what re:zero is. The author did that on purpose by adding 2 romantic interests.

>. I've outlined my reasons which are all based on the plot and it's developments around SubEmi including Subaru's own thoughts and only said a Rem ending isn't gonna happen because that isn't the direction of the MU.
So we're reading 2 different stories then. Rem is the underdog here who works hard, not Emilia. Rem will win.

>>159467419
just read them? there's lots of suffering, mystery, action and world building

>But he doesn't.
he said a few times that he always liked Onis and wanted to know some, he never said anything about elves

>>159467490
>There a dime a dozen loyal maid characters in the industry.
>reduces Rem to just a maid
that's why you're shallow, Emiliafag

>>159467541
>not a minority, okay

Still reading numbers fucking wrong and with out context. But I know you guys are dishonest about this so there no point arguing caring. Reality will continue to bitch smack yu delustional ass.

>that's literally what re:zero is. The author did that on purpose by adding 2 romantic interests.

Re:Zero is typical love triangle you nimrod, but secondary to the actual story. Relationships develop based on the plot not who want to personal suck Subaru's dick.

>So we're reading 2 different stories then. Rem is the underdog here who works hard, not Emilia. Rem will win.

This why you are fucking retard who doesn't understand anything about the story. You actually think working hard is a trait belong one fucking person when everybody in this story works hard. Rem not a underdog of shit outside your headcanon. She not completing with Emilia as far as Subaru is concerned, can you not understand that much?

>just read them? there's lots of suffering, mystery, action and world building

Again you said there a plot wasn't SoL I'm asking you what it is. None of these you listed is plot, just narrative elements.

>he said a few times that he always liked Onis and wanted to know some, he never said anything about elves

He literally said to Emilia in Arc 2 that he thinks it amazing that she is a half elf. What in the world are talking about?

>>159467625
No I'm just playing the same game you are when reduce Emilia ti meaningless buzzterm.

At least I'm not implying that Subaru treats his friends products in a supermarket that can be bought and compared and doesn't appreciate them for themselves.

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Jesus, is this the absolute state of Emiliafags? Reduced to ESLs, shitposters and sophisters? I had never met one until now. Truly fascinating.

>>159468192
But Remfags are king of shitposters and spread lies anon.

>>159468367
Remfags are vocal, I'll give you that. But shitposters? Nah. That's the falseflaggers who constantly posts baits and that one catfag.

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>>159461596
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>159468367
>king of shitposters
are you talking about that one shitposter who creates Rem bait threads so Emiliafags can shit on her? I guess Emiliafags can't even understand the most basic falseflagging

Can someone post the video of rem and emilia's VA mocking betelgeuse's one, please?

>>159464276
Secondaryfag please

If anything, Kirino was the shittiest love interest
Kuroneko was a baka to break up

>>159468471
But some of those guys are actual Remfags. There are only a few Remfags around here who don't go around shitting Emilia and Emiliafags, acknowledge their ship exist, but just like Rem better without twisting anything.

Usually those guys just post pics.

Yes there are Emiliafags who try to trigger Remfags, but lots of Remfags take the bait anyway because they want pretext to start shit.

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>try to find fanart of best political party
>nothing come even close to the superior official art

>>159468772
>But some of those guys are actual Remfags.
No, Remfags just like to talk about Rem, that's all. Then Emiliafags get triggered because nobody talks about Emilia and they start to trashtalk Rem and Remfags. They even go so far to make new threads just to shit on Rem. Don't pretend like you're not one of those type of people, you always come to these threads to "defend" Emilia because the bad bad Remfags don't mention her when thy talk about Rem.

>>159468810
I don't give a shit about Priscilla but her design looks the best. That red-black dress and her hair are just gorgeous.

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>>159468652
She's just another tool for me. We all know the true patrician choice

>>159468898
That's pure bullshit and you know it. Even in this very thread you Remfags shitting Emilia. You're just as bad.

You're plainly dishonest so let's just drop this conversation right here.

EMILIA
MAJI
TUMOR

>>159469047
Remfags talk about Rem -> Emiliafags get mad -> start to shit on Rem -> Remfags get mad -> start to shit on Emilia

yeah, the Remfags are the bad bad guys

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>>159468810
Eh, they pretty good to me. Crusch's boxart might just edge it out a little for me.

Wish the BDs would come over here though.

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It's so hard to be rem

>entire childhood in the shadow of the superior sister
>almost everyone she cares about gets murdered and her sister severely crippled
>lives with an abusive clown that through further trauma manipulates her into being her sister's second again
>finally finds someone genuinely nice to her
>endures a lot of pain and works hard for his sake
>still relegated as second fiddle to an elf

>>159469146
Nice try but no.

You shit on her whenever you want. You don't ever need provocation.

>>159469183
>Rem is the only one who had a hard life and lost people

okay

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>>159469251
Where did you pull that implication out of?

>>159469251
Rem had a hard life and still has a hard life despite working the hardest, you dumbass.

>>159469279
he read the first sentence and got triggered because no mention of Emilia, Emiliafags are so easy to read

>>159468074
>Still reading numbers fucking wrong
I can assure you that the math is correct

>>159469279
Because you write kind of bullet point post for the majority characters here in the story, but your use her tragic backstory as excuse for her to win.

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what are all these re:zero game crossovers recently? I'm not familiar with those, are they all the same game?

>>159469298
Most of characters in this series has a hard life, and even have next to no unlike Rem. She isn't special, so fuck off.

>>159469368
yeah I could write it for other characters, so what?

Most of them had some repireve from life messing with them at least

>>159469411
Rem is special, very special.

>>159469394
That's pretty old news, for that game. Most of crossovers have been mobage gatcha card games.

>>159469394
This one is just the psv version of the mobage that had the collab a while back.

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>that moment when the Ayamatsu was the most well-written part of this franchise
>that moment when it still wasn't edgy and "DARK LORD" enough for me

>>159469448
>Most of them had some repireve from life messing with them at least

No they didn't. Rem had roof over her head, a job, her sister and was actually happy to serve Roswaal. Most of her unhappyiness came from things prior to that.

Meanwhile have Fellt for example who has no family, lives in a dump that has half a roof, needs to steal for a living and doesn't even know her real name. She been like that for 14 years. I can go about other characters but you get the point. Tappei even never made her out to be most tragic character, you just projected that on her as were unique.

>>159469662
Felt has Rom, that's all she needed. Money doesn't make one happy. Rem lived her whole life in her sisters shadow, people told her hundreds of time that she'd be dead if not for Ram fueling her low self-esteem, then when Ram lost her horn she had an ugly thought for a split second that made her live the rest of her live to be Ram's replacement, a life out of guilt. She never was allowed to be herself and and enjoy her life until Subaru changed that. And even then she only lived like that for just a month. Meanwhile Felt is a royal candidate with the strongest knight ever by her side. Yeah, she had/has it so much worse than Rem...

>>159469662
Felt was actually pretty content to live as a rogue with uncle Rom. In a way she is more annoyed now that Reinhard dragged her in the political swamp

>>159459815
I rabu remu!

>>159469878
That's bullshit. Everyone needs a properly life and care. Rem had more than she did and that is fact, but Felt was stronger person becasue she actually lived like shit.

Tappei even says that had he not been writing the story around Subaru and Emilia he would have been doing abut Felt or Henkei. So that shows how he thinks Rem's perceive struggles.

Fact is she doesn't have the hardest, she live a small part of her life in sister's shadow and that stopped when village was destroyed. The rest was her own self-ridden guilt for being a bit happy that she lost her horn. Even though Ram doesn't even care and always treated her will. She didn't have worry about day-to-day necessities whom anyone who's been living actual poverty or homelessness can tell that it is hard than you can ever imagine both mentality and physically.

Rem could eventually retire one day in her life, until Reinhard came along Felt would probably been on streets for the rest of her life despite her best efforts.

>>159469662
Take a chill pill Emiliafag. Rem is simply a beloved character, no need to get your panties in a bunch because she's shown well deserved love.

>>159469959
>Felt was actually pretty content to live as a rogue with uncle Rom

So was Rem under Rsowaal. She didn't need Subaru and actively hated him barging int her life and disputing it.

>>159470231
I'm not in anyway upset. My point is that most of cast deserve that kind of love for the similar reasons your posting. It's just the truth.

But Felt isn't part of your waifu has no desire for MCs dick, unlike potato

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>>159470382
You're clearly upset. It is obvious you're the one replying to any and all posts praising Rem because you're bothered by it. Most of the cast isn't as charismatic as Rem. Even if they were, people don't like Rem because of her backstory, but rather for her characterization after her character arc was concluded.You could give Emilia the cruelest of backstories and no one would care about her still. This isn't a competition to determine who's more pitiable. I'm not the guy you were arguing with btw.

>>159470210
>That's bullshit. Everyone needs a properly life and care.
It's not like Felt was starving, Rom actually provided for her
And QoL is not the absolute meter, like we said Rem suffered despite living in a higher place because she was constantly plagued with guilt and clown shenanigans on top of it

>Tappei even says that had he not been writing the story around Subaru and Emilia he would have been doing abut Felt or Henkei.
Citation needed
>So that shows how he thinks Rem's perceive struggles.
Non-sequitur (check what it means)

>and that stopped when village was destroyed. The rest was her own self-ridden guilt for being a bit happy that she lost her horn
it still counts as these feelings were intentionally fomented by Roswaal

>>159470382
>most of cast deserve that kind of love
ok, not that it changes anything about the discourse

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Emiliafag here.
Just letting you know that all waifus are precious and and we should respect one anothers taste.

Ramfags,Remfags and Emiliafags are all good.

>>159470591
Nah, if anyone upset is it's who some of you are scrambling so hard to defend and anything about her like your doing now. Yes Rem is either the best super waifu like >>159459815 says statement or the most tragic heroine right out of soap opera. Like those tragedy bait Mary Sues.

But I suppose what helps you sleep at night eh?

>>159470769
>or the most tragic heroine right out of soap opera
I didn't make such claim with >>159469183 , I only pointed out that events are still unfair to her
that someone else had it worse in certain metrics doesen't really change that fact

>>159470769
Way to completely misrepresent both OP's and my post to fit your narrative. The other two Emiliafags in this board are afraid to come out now because of you.

I understand, it must be hard to stand by Emilia. It's gonna be ok anon. Take deep breaths.

>>159468471

I'm not a shitposter, bro.

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>>159471103
You post cat
Cat is shit
Therefore you post shit

>>159470618
>It's not like Felt was starving, Rom actually provided for her

Which far less than Roswaal and purely on whatever came across. That's point. Please don't make excuse for actually day-today living hardship.

>And QoL is not the absolute meter, like we said Rem suffered despite living in a higher place because she was constantly plagued with guilt and clown shenanigans on top of it

Mostly self-inflicted rather than anything external. That why her life didn't change significant beyond falling for somebody after Arc 2. She would still be treated the same by her sister and Roswaal with or without Subaru there whom she cherished because they were her family at the present.

Felt literally went from rags to riches in an entirely life changing way however on all fronts.

>Citation needed
Old Q&A don't have on me now.

>Non-sequitur (check what it means)
My point is that if he was writing a story anyone else struggles besides Subaru and Emilia in the MU Rem wouldn't rank after them.

>it still counts as these feelings were intentionally fomented by Roswaal

Not really. If Rem is happy and satisfied with her life she then she is. She could pass her life as she is now.

>ok, not that it changes anything about the discourse

Sure does because it knocks the notion f Rem having it the worst. Just you like her the best doesn't make that aspect true, but you don't seem to be able distinguish the nuance. That why trying to claim Rem has worst than Felt of all people. Actual streetrat

>>159470591
>You could give Emilia the cruelest of backstories
What would it be?

>>159471302
Something edgy like Sasuke's

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>>159471302
Something like this guy's.

>>159470889
> I only pointed out that events are still unfair to her that someone else had it worse in certain metrics doesen't really change that fact

And my point still stands, so what? Life has been unfair almost everyone, but not like it was devoid of happiness for anyone of them: Rem included. Post like that are just misleading nor is it Tappei's style write characters full of nothing but tragedy to make trite caricatures.

>>159470974
I know exactly what OP was talking about. Nothing misunderstand stupidly basic concept.

>The other two Emiliafags in this board are afraid to come out now because of you

I'm pretty condescending comments like this a real reason most don't bother. Remfags can be real assholes most of the time. I just have no fear of comforting or going a long with shitty narratives. The story doesn't revolve around your dead potato like you think it does.

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Ferri has suffered the most. But little Ferri just keeps going forward.

>>159471302
She already had bad and is still suffering from some issues, but she has real friends and companions to alleviate that.

>>159471474
He had it easy the last decade behind Crusch

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Ferri is a strong boy

>>159471525
she also lucked out that the individual with the most plot power was into silver hair

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>>159471561

Crusch-sama healed Ferri

>>159471606
so he didn't suffer the most

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>>159471474
Yeah, I'd rank him number 2 after Felt. But in general it's good idea have tragedy contest as most character's lives sucked before their current ones.

Petra is pretty much the only character with a normal childhood with no losses.

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>>159471455
She's not "my" potato. Rem is for those of refined taste and all, but I'm growing quite fond of Echidona lately.

That was a venomous comment though, daijobu? In comparison, even the catfag >>159471474 is more reasonable than you. Well, your posts only undermine the reputation of Emilia fans so keep 'em coming, I suppose.

>>159471627
>>159471656

First 9 years alone in some dirty basement with little food. That's much worse than 14 years on streets.

>>159471730
But after that he was pretty well and happy with Crusch so it balances out

>>159471589
I'm sorry but meta loic has nothing to do with actual shit childhoods dude. It's like saying Felt or Ferris shit childhood don't matter because the plot made them become Princess and Knight respectively. Or Rem problems don't matter because became a maid of one of the richest lords and one of main character's love interest and got more screen then most characters barring the two leads.

Just stop with the dumb logic.

>>159471656

Ferri is number 1, Felt can be number 2.

>>159471730
Ferris was actually mistreated BY HIS OWN PARENTS BECAUSE OF HIS BIRTH.

Yes, his own parents starve him and all sorts of things. That tips over his favor as badness goes.

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Crusch-sama is so fucking great.

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It was Julius' birthday

>>159472208
Who?

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>>159472208

Excuse me, what is that supposed to be?

>>159472208
Don't know who this is but he's totally gay.

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Reminder that Ram will chew Subaru out

>>159472278
A tumor, catfag has cancer and will die off screen

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Newfag here, what is the difference between the webnovel and the lightnovel from an english speaker's perspective?

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What would you want to do with this cat ?

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>>159465964
Her tsundere tendencies and overprotectiveness are sometimes pretty annoying, though. Also, the way she loves to spoil and pamper her partner the shit out seems very unhealthy. Being too submissive and letting the partner take full control of her will only pave the way for an abusive relationship soon or later.

>>159474402
Castrate, torture and murder

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>>159474437

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>>159474413
>Balls

>>159474413
Ram needs to be saved from Roswaal

>>159474413

You mean like Rem? It just happens that Balls won't abuse Rem so she's lucky

>>159474207
Web novel is free and was written first, this is just my opinion but since it's free from outside influence it is the purest version of the authors vision. The LN adapts the WN into something sold for money, it has some illustrations and up until beggining Arc 4 it was very inline with the WN with just some reader friendly changes. Past Arc 3 it is influenced a lot by the anime, great if you like Emilia because instead of losing scenes like the rest of the cast she actually gained some. I haven't read it yet but maybe those changes were for the better.

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>>159474900
I just finished the anime so ill probably continue with the WN

thank you anon-kun.

>come to Rem thread
>90 percent of it is that one Emiliafag chimping out and posting essays
Everytime.

>>159474739
Doesn't Rem whip Subaru most of the time? Seems to me that Subaru's actually the one that usually gets dominated and is unable to make any comeback to save his life.
>“Pfft. If you’re going to be that mean about it, I’ve got my own ideas, Emilia-tan. Hey, Rem. Let’s have a feast all by ourselves!”
>“No, today’s menu is abble chips with abble salad, abble pie filled with abble jam, and I have freshly squeezed abble juice ready for dessert.”
>“Abbles all the way down?! Damn you, Scarface!”
>Apparently, since he’d returned with nine abbles in his bag, it meant the evening’s menu would be a veritable abble festival. Subaru laughed desperately as the image of the scar-faced shopkeeper smiling and giving him a thumbs-up came to mind.
>“Well, that’s fine, abbles are my favorite fruit, anyway! Being surrounded by abbles is heaven itself! Okay, Rem!! Let’s eat the whole thing up between the two of us!!”
>“Oh, I couldn’t. If you like it so much, I’ll let you have all of it.”
>“You act like you’re cozying up to me, but sometimes you just chuck me over the cliff, you know?!”

>>159475085
https://mega.nz/#!D1FjmCTa!R92enrkAblzKRLV9F2MXf4hS_Oh6qgFz6b9SMuAyNS0
Volume 3 of the LN, its the successful loop of the Witch Beast Arc and is my favorite of the already translated LNs.

Bookmark this google doc, it is updated frequently and currently contains links to every translated chapter out there
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_wOtTltdwZhHK0UKaV1AelPcA-K70SdWPcY3FTBJGnA/mobilebasic#h.1xj0dq7jfako

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>>159475302
This is gold hory shet.

>>159472264
Stop. It's his birthday anon. You want him to kick the bucket or something?

>>159474207
I haven't read all of it yet, but Tappei had a few issues with his writing at first. He didn't handle character introductions so well and often failed to elaborate on certain points regarding character relationships. Or over-elaborated on some details.

So, in an Arc 2 comparison? The LN is mostly a lot better, but the WN still has some plus points. As in, you understand why Subaru was a friendless loser back in Japan. A few details are also presented clearer in the WN, but the LN is mostly better in that regard.

In WN Arc 3? Character introductions are still an issue, but most of the writing issues are fixed. I think it's also a bit gorier than the LN presentation. I haven't read all of the Arc 3 LN yet, so I can't compare everything.

However, there aren't any plot significant changes until after the whale fight, Volume 8 actually. That's the book where the Japanese wiki starts saying the changes are too many to list. A whole loop gets cut out, and Emilia's scene where she fights Petelgeuse alongside Puck actually contradicts events in the WN because of some issues with Puck's contract. This same contract is actually referenced in earlier volumes of the LN, but it seems to be ignored later on while the WN continues to treat it as a plot point.

In Arc 4, events and characterization start diverging a lot more. Some plot points like Puck are dropped, while new ones are introduced or fundamentally altered. In a much more significant way than how things were changed in earlier volumes.
>>159475295
>and is unable to make any comeback to save his life.
He doesn't know how. It's clearly spelled out in the WN that he found Rem to be better than Ram at bantz, because he was never able to formulate a comeback.

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>>159476190
I never thought someone would write me a huge skyscraper of text lole.

This is literally the first anime I watched in 10 years.

>>159476424
To put it simply, I prefer the LN for the first few volumes, but think the WN handled the negative aspects of Subaru's character better. I prefer the WN after a certain point, since the author already improved the issues I originally had with their writing, and a lot of the introduced changes were cuts or extreme changes to some of my favorite scenes.

>>159469183
I miss loli Rem. What are my chances of being able to see her again?

>>159471661
I'm only a bypasser but seriously though, I have no idea why this guy is getting so worked up for. Is it because there's no mentioning of Emilia?

>>159477501
If they animate the backstory novels, or some secret detail of her past is revealed. Otherwise you just better hope Subaru makes a Spica inside her.

>>159477889
I hope little Spica will be as good as her mom. I have high expectations of her now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQngg8iQipk

>>159477883
I hate reading the guy's posts, but I think I know who you're talking about. Basically, the majority of the Re:Zero fanbase here is more than a bit autistic about Rem. They also don't like Emilia much. It's unclear how much these two points are connected, since I'm personally quite genuine about my apathy regarding her.

The guy who gets worked up about Emilia is just an even bigger autist than the rest of us, which I would have previously found unbelievable until he showed up.

>>159459815
>will follow you to hell and back
>didn't ran away with Subaru
she is still best girl.

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>>159461596

>>159461596
Can she hear what he's been saying to her at all? Does she know what he's become now?

>>159475085
Read the Arc 3 Interludes and available Arc 4 chapters on TranslationChicken, then switch to anon when you run out.

>>159479612
I think she experiences sensation to some degree, since Ram can still weakly feel her through their link.

>>159478326
I honestly cannot even bear to look at it due to the lack of any form of respect and just pure toxicity. Not to mention, it sounds like he likes to pretend that he's the author and that his interpretation is always right. Anyways, I'm in the same boat as you about Emilia. Funny enough though, I pretty much like every character but her. I do feel bad about this since she's supposed to one of the main core of the stories, but despite reading all her supposed "best scenes" I can never get myself to like her at all, not even her design.

>>159479784
My main issue is only with how presumptuous he can be. He makes a lot of assumptions and acts like he knows more than he does, to the point where he's tried to contradict me on things that I just read.

>>159479784
same here. I'm not sure what I dislike about Emilia, her personality isn't interesting or fun but I don't hate her for that. I think it's the way she's portrayed through the narration and Subaru that makes me dislike her. It's trying too hard to make her look beautiful, innocent, pure and kind that it annoys me after reading that dozens of times.

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>>159480292
>her personality isn't interesting or fun
I was kinda fond of her character during the first few chapters or episodes. But for some reason, I gradually grow tired of her the more I see her, which is a shame because I initially thought highly of her and actually believed she would become something great.

>>159480292
Well, I'm not going to shit on Emilia's character and make up shit about how she does nothing, is useless, or all that other shit, because that's just not the right issue. She's not even necessarily bland. However, all of these labels are applied for a reason, which is often misinterpreted.

Here's my personal perspective. I feel like I'm being baited when I read her scenes. Like the author really wants me to admire and sympathize with her, to root for her and want to see her smile protected. She has flaws, but I feel like I'm not supposed to look too down on her for them. I'm supposed to want someone to be there for her to help her up.

>>159480744
I think a big problem with her character is that she has a strong start but a really weak follow- up that makes her a disappointment. She's too passive and too reactive instead of proactive. I had no expectations for Rem at all and didn't like her introduction, I thought she'd be just a blue Ram and disappear once the mansion arc ended but she surprised and impressed me more and more as arc 2 went on and then did what I would expect from a great main heroine and not a twin/maid in arc 3.

Is Remon here? Can you give an update for the translation progress for chapter 3?

>>159481289
>then did what I would expect from a great main heroine
that's why Tappei labeled her as a rising heroine, anyone who calls her a side character at this point is wrong.

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>>159459815
agreed

>>159482642
Uh, may I ask what "rising heroine" is? That term sounds new to me.

>>159482642
She was a rising heroine, but then she got eaten.

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>>159482706
where is this one?

Translate https://twitter.com/nezumiironyanko/status/883267900395593728

>>159482813
In the WN era he did character summary for the characters of the first 2 arcs and labeled Rem as Rising Heroine

>>159482706
Mother of god...

>>159483799
Yeah but what does it really mean? Is Rem also a main heroine like Emilia?

>>159481958
Should be done in 2-3 days

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>>159483896

>>159483920
nice, thank you

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>>159482706
Found nee-sama's room.

>>159483799
>>159483896
>>159483991
Then Rem got eaten. She lost her status for good.

>>159483896
It should mean she is a heroine too despite starting as a side character

>>159484095
she's taking a break, carrying Subaru is a tough job. She'll come back and rise again though

>>159484095
Nice assumption you got there

Finally started to read the latest LN. Disappointed to see Subaru's motives weren't to grab at air boob in this version.

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>>159459815

Crusch-sama is the best girl.

>Beautiful long green hair
>Beautiful smile
>Strong beautiful eyes
>Cool uniform
>Insanely strong
>Kind
>Pure
>Divine
>Won't fall for assholes like Subaru
>Rescued Ferri
>Became Ferri's star
>Loves Ferri
>Lives with Ferri
>Is Ferri's best friend
>Ferri is her best friend
>Has daily teatimes with Ferri
>Gets lap pillows from Ferri
>Gives lap pillows to Ferri
>Ferri's future wife
>Based
>Goddess

>>159483920
Remon your room has been found
>>159482706

I wish someone was actually willing to translate the first few Arcs of the WN so people could do proper comparisons.

>>159459815
She is one of the biggest waifu bait characters in existence and everyone fell for it

>>159488285
why? she has fun personality

>>159477889
Will Rigel be able to protect loli Spica from Clind?

>>159488285
So nowawaifubait means "I don't understand why people like this character"

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>>159488592
No. Not in time, anyway.

But he'd be able to make him pay.

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>>159488697
almost

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It's a foregone conclusion

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>>159459815
You know, most of the stuff you wrote would also apply to Emilia, you just gotta change some minor details

>>159490926
Yeah true, just get rid of most of them.

>>159490926
>gives you lap pillow
something else?

>>159490926
It's more about how it all comes together as a complete package.

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Does anyone have that screencap when /a/ went apeshit when Subaru listened to a 20 minute love confession just to say he still loves Emilia? Shit was hilarious

>>159494822

oh fuck I want to see that.

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>>159494822
I'm not going to lie before spoilers I was absolutely furious at that scene. Anime Subaru is the soulless, heartless person WN/LN Subaru was referring to.

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>>159494822
There should be one from earlier but this is all I've got.

>>159495015
Only WN Subaru, as that line isn't in the LN. I've also finally gotten around to reading the latest translated LN to compare some things. There are some pretty major characterization differences, and WN Subaru already seems to have his mind more on Rem than his LN counterpart does in the first few chapters.

Whether it's intentional or not, the WN writing does make it seem like his feelings for Rem were always a lot stronger than they are in the LN.

>>159495462
I'm not surprised. They have to make Rem romance less obvious somehow so the love triangle will still be a thing and stay relevant and the audience will also be looking forward to seeing its conclusion. Otherwise, people won't give a shit about Emilia romance and the love triangle subplot anymore.

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>>159482706
Nice setup, anon

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Rem is cute when she flirts with Subaru.

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>>159495323
Damn i can remember making 2 of those threads.

Truly a shitpost goldmine show

>>159496288
Either that, or WN memeboy supreme just loves Rem more and Emilia less.

>>159497994
Subaru saved both girls. They also saved Subaru. Why would he love each girl unequally?

>>159475295
Some of you exaggerate the Rem whips Subaru way too far. She criticizes him sometimes like everyone does but she doesn't stop or is his keeper.

>>159498945
because each girl in unequal

>>159499313
That and each Subaru is clearly different from the other. WN Subaru seems to have Rem more on his mind than LN Subaru does.

>>159499313
>>159499445
But Rem and Emilia are equal.

>>159499007
Rem seems to be the only one that can shut Subaru up too.
>“Err… Sorry, Subaru, this is an important meeting, so…”
>“…I know that. That’s why I’m getting my head in the game and…”
>Emilia was finding it hard to let him down easy, so Rem dispassionately cut him off for her. “Sister is already attending in the reception room. There is no place there for other servants. Understand?”
Subaru took in Rem’s words and looked back at Emilia.
>“You’re kidding, right? I’m the one who’s out of the loop?”
>“Sorry, Subaru. Rem, lead the way.”
>“Yes. Subaru, please return to your room.”
>After Emilia’s small apology, Rem spoke kindly to Subaru even while in Work Mode. Rem walked off to the upper floor with Emilia behind her. Subaru stayed in place and clicked his tongue.
>“Well, I don’t know much about this world, so I probably wouldn’t be of much use anyway…”

>>159499597
>Rem seems to be the only one that can shut Subaru up too.

Who cares tho? You're talking about a Subaru was pretty immature in some respects, but had he's heart in the right place. He wanted to sincerely be a help to Emilia anyway he could but was clumsy going about it.

I don't think look how "awesome Rem is!" what supposed to be getting out of that scene. Furthermore neither Rem nor Emilia do not understand his insistence in here which he outlines in his monologue. There are more complex interactions driven by multiple individual perspectives going on there and actions make sense if you see things from his POV but realize nobody can understand that because they don't share have his unique experience. The scene isn't written to prop up anyone.

I think this much should be obvious.

>>159479784
>he likes to pretend that he's the author and that his interpretation is always right.

There is no way you can be getting this from posts unless want be absolutely disingenuous.

I deliberately avoided passages that clear weren't ambiguous given both the context and direct statements internally and externally. any reasonable who These same scenes also have reiterating his feelings for Rem so any reasonable person who driven by bias shouldn't reason to argue.

I'm also sick and tired of Remfags taking any Subaru says about Rem at face value, but need twist any statement he makes about Emilia that entirely out of character for him by the same token. Subaru can be an idiot and selfish asshole but he's not a pathological lier. He;s consistent towards people he cares about. This has been an established fact even when through periods of soul-searching which he bare to Rem. Rem herself does not question his love for Emilia, neither does anyone else who see how looks at her. Similarly their also notice how he feels about Rem and don't question his feelings there either. But still have some waifufags running some bogus narrative that isn't there all because they dislike Emilia and like Rem better. A lot of them adhere because Rem deserves him as if Subaru some prize with no say who he should and can love.

If you can't sallow some of you bias and accept a baseline of facts like any somewhat mature individual than you not get any good discussion. This not a story where everything suddenly up grabs and every character motivation is except for the things you like.

Regardless of what direction it goes you gonna have to accept that romance between Subaru and Emilia is there as much as it for Subaru and Rem. Both in same danger of not working out so you can act like thee much as hidden message about that for the both of them. Otherwise you just using interpretation as an excuse to much like generic, edgy as buzzword to sneak the real meaning of your agenda.

>>159499522
They are different people, and WN Subaru thought of kissing Rem in terms of "tongues entwining", as well as Rem being the first person he thought of and wanted to see again when Priscilla's attitude was distressing him. Going by how scenes are presented, WN Subaru is more into Rem than his LN counterpart.

>>159495462
I've started WN (coming from the anime) and I've already read the first few chapters of Arc 4 and I'm not seeing this at all. He's doesn't seem thinking about Rem any more than Emilia in fact he only really talks about Rem when she actually around him. For example remember when he got back to the manor at the end of first loop? He's first instance wasn't go check on Rem, but head up to Roswaal's room. I heard in LN version for Arc 4 he does the opposite, so I think that distinction more in your mind than what is there.

I don't know about Arc 3's WN, but Arc's 4 doesn't display him randomly thinking about Rem in every instance, Emilia seems to be more his mind.

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>>159459815
I'm wondering that too brotha.

>>159500746
Where did I mention Emilia in that post?

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>>159500746
Well it is there. Also in other untranslated chapters, he may or may not be transcriber anon. Also to say that Emilia is more on his mind really is a bold statement to say, because just how often he runs around being "Rem's Hero". Effectively half the arc is Subaru dealing with loss, from Gaaf kidnapping, to Echidna trials, to Carmilla etc. Even the first 30 or so chapters wes just Subaru mourning and plot intros.

>>159501163
I've been too busy to finish the LN yet, so I can't compare how it's presented in the rest. So far, I'm just noticing Subaru's thought processes seem to be portrayed quite differently. His feelings for Emilia are also written differently, but I already knew that from Arc 2.

>>159500975
You implying that his feelings Rem are slight stronger than his Emilia in WN as well as his feelings for Rem being weaker in WN. I'm disagreeing because doesn't see like case either way. It's like Subaru in WN was (at least from what I read) going about Rem all that much.

There instances in LN where he's prioritizing Rem more than he did in LN, so it's not cut an dry as your making it imo. Instead how he looks after rearranged differently rather then lessened.

>>159459815
You are forgetting something

>>159501163
>Effectively half the arc is Subaru dealing with loss, from Gaaf kidnapping, to Echidna trials, to Carmilla etc. Even the first 30 or so chapters wes just Subaru mourning and plot intros.

I've read excerpts from those scenes you mentioned, don't know how accurate it is but many of those instances outside Carmilia he seemed to be thinking about Emilia too. But I don't think this line of discussion all that fruitful. Subaru said that he love both of them right? So don't there really is point comparing about how much he thinks about both of them, especially because they are heavily dependent on context and scene in questions. Subaru seems to be owning up to statement more or less here from what I read.

>>159501306
I'm not making it out to be cut and dry. I'm not even saying he goes on and on about Rem in the WN. I'm saying that there are some differences in how Subaru's general attitude is portrayed. No one here is saying he never thinks of Emilia, as that would be dumb.

I'm saying that how he thinks of Rem and Emilia seems to be noticeably different, which is only natural when the Subaru we're dealing with is noticeably different.