I am tired of seeing all the dystheist bullshit in anime, tired

>>159082658
But that's the truth.

The church in Spice and Wolf isn't flat out evil, but they are generally portrayed as overbearing and controlling. All the female members of the church were shown as upstanding, good people who held true to their faith, though the men were usually the sub-villain of the book they appear in.

>>159082826
In fantasy anime there's nothing that obliges it to be the "truth".

Shinto = Pagan.

Any big organisation is ripe to be poised as the bad guy, governments included.

>>159082658
Better pay a visit to your local priest's bedroom.

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>>159082658
The church in Matoi was pretty decent, they just hunted ghosts and shit.

Actually the church in a lot of series with vampires/etc. tends to be a good presence, if militant.

>>159082658
>The church in the middle ages didn't need reform and wasn't corrupt
Nigga what

>Wanting anime to portray christians positively when it comes from an island that rooted out and executed christians
Nigga what

>>159083563
I was talking about churches in anime, not in real life.

Even if they might borrow some of the stylistic themes.

>>159082658
Japan's national religion, shinto, is basically pagan. Why are you surprised that they portray other religions negatively? Just look at how the world's biggest Protestant Christian nation, the United States, constantly shits on Catholics.

>>159083668
>pagans shit on them
>Catholics shit on them
Which is why I'm so tired of this one sided narrative in fantasy anime.

>>159083620
They are an established evil or are you an murrican who can't do without Russians as the antagonist?

Anime is not dystheist. It doesn't hate all religion, only organized religion. You can complain that anime often depicts inquisitive churches and oppressive religious orders, but you shouldn't confuse that as hating all forms of spirituality. It only hates a specific subset. Organized religion is pretty much a cult that grew too big.

>>159083750
>Catholics shit on them

No, I'm saying that Protestants shit on them.

>>159083750
The Catholic Church is the largest religious sect on earth. People always take shots at those who are in the limelight. No religious sect is a bigger or easier target than Catholics, especially since Catholics won't suicide bomb you for talking trash about them.

>>159083842
>Anime is not dystheist. It doesn't hate all religion, only organized religion.

I disagree. First, "anime" doesn't hate or like anything, it's a genre. Second, anime overwhelmingly portray shinto shrines positively and non-japanese churches negatively. There is a pretty obvious nationalist element at work here.

>>159082658
You have to wait until churches are all dead. Then they can be idealized as saviors in dystopic lands.

The global media in general is dominated by non catholics. The US (protestant), UK (protestant), China (atheist), Russia (orthodox), Japan (shinto)...none of them have any reason to pull punches when it comes to Catholics.

Japan doesn't even respect its own religion, you can't expect them to respect others.

>>159084046
Where is the glorious Polish empire when you need it.

>>159084046
You forgot ISIS (islam)

wat anime is this, i love shit like this

>>159085448
That furry one from this season.

>>159085394
ISIS isn't a media outlet, anon.

>>159082658
well, that's historically accurate, the inquisition was no joke, also the church being "good" only works when the protagonist or at least one of the main cast is part of it, and even then a corrupt church member will appear somehow

>>159085448
Zero Kara Hajimeru Mahou No Sho, ep. 01

>>159083380
This, you also have to take into account that most anime is aimed at teenagers and teenagers love the whole "oppose the establishment" setting.

>>159083620
>churches in anime should be something they have never been in real life

anon...

>>159085480
fuck that then, I couldn't watch when I saw it was furry shit. wish they just had him as normal dude or something

>>159086067
>pagans should never be able to cast real spells because that didn't happen in real life
Your logic sucks for fantasy.

>>159086167
wrong

>>159086213
No, I am right.

>>159086238
not an argument

>>159086261
I already gave you one, so fuck you.

>>159086439
Nobody implied it had to be Christianity specifically, retard. In fact it almost never is actual Christianity in anime.

>>159086477
It doesn't matter. If it's an Abrahamic religion it's Jew-shit.

>>159086439
>blue-pilled cuck
Nah, you fuck off back to /pol/.

>>159086491
Same thing with Abrahamic religions, they almost never appear in anime.

>>159082658
Name 1 instance in history where the people labeled as "heretics" or "pagans" were actually in the wrong

>>159085394
ISIS has practically no influence on global media, at least in terms of producing fiction tv shows. However, if you said the UAE/Qatar, which do have a strong influence on global sports media (through BeIn Sports, PSG, and Manchester City) you would be correct.

>>159083884
>it's a genre
It's more like a sub-medium if you want to play semantics.

>>159086526
>Abrahamic religions, they almost never appear in anime.

Not directly, of course. But anime is full of churches that are clearly abrahamic, specifically catholic, in all but name.

>>159086579
>>159086526
That is irrelevant, you dumbasses are still thinking only in real life terms. This was about original religions in anime.
Inspired doesn't mean it has to equal.

>>159086531
Mystery of the Druids?

>>159086531
The Aztec empire? I am not a fan at all of Catholicism or of the genocide of the native Americans by Euro imperialism, but human sacrifice is objectively not good.

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>>159082658
40k did it right. Maybe anime will do it too one day.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/28/asia/cardinal-pell-australia/index.html

>>159086491
>Christianity = Judaism

Kill yourself atheist nigger.

>>159088058
It's literally Judaism 2: Electric Boogaloo you dipshit trump-voting redneck degenerate asshat retard peepeehead

>>159088438
Wew, someone is upset.
I used to be upset by religion depictions in anime as well but I got used to it after a while. At least now any slightly positive portrayal is a welcome surprise.

>>159082849
What's the reason for in the anima and manga, sisters and nuns(especially the young and pretty one)
often to have more positive portrait and are show to be understanding and kind than the priest or brothers(the male in general) the male are often show to be vary bad and negative？

>>159091174
Try again in English you subhuman.

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>>159082658
I just watched Rage of Bahamut Genesis, and the demons were evil while the angels were good.

>>159086531
every crusade

>>159092328
Fourth Crusade.

>>159091174
Nothing in particular comes to mind. I guess everyone just wants the attractive nun to also be kind and caring.

>>159083380
fifth post bifth post

Why does this trigger christtards so much? It;s just because it looks cool you dumb niggers. Fuck, you're like those people who get upset anytime someone pokes fun at their religion. Lighten up and don't take everything so damn seriously, if there really is an omnipotent god I don;t think he or she cares if some mortals make fun of other mortals about it.

>>159082658
>I am tired of seeing all the dystheist bullshit in anime, tired of seeing inquisitive churches portrayed as the villains.
It's the same reason why the police is corrupt in Gotham.

If the almighty Church isn't corrupt and actually doing its job helping people, then there is nothing for heroes to do. And if the Churchhad superpowered members to boot, or even a god worth a damn, then there would be no bad guys.

We've had this same fucking thread hundreds of times and we always give you the same answer. Why do you keep making it? Why does it even bother you? It's just fiction.

>>159092298
Of course, the sequel has the humans being the oppressors of both demons and angels, at least at first.

>>159092746
Not all the police in Gotham is corrupt. Commissioner Gordon's a good guy.

>>159092936
>We've had this same fucking thread hundreds of times and we always give you the same answer. Why do you keep making it? Why does it even bother you? It's just fiction.
It's because religious people, deep down, know there is no difference between their own holy texts and complete fiction. So sometimes they get angry at other fiction that are technically a direct competitor to their faith.

>>159092979
>has the humans being the oppressors of both demons and angels
Good. Fuck G*d and Satan. Humanity Uber Alles.

>>159093017
>Not all the police in Gotham is corrupt. Commissioner Gordon's a good guy.
That's like saying "not all costumed maniacs in Gotham are evil, Batman is a good guy"

>>159093079
Batman's a crazed vigilante who serves his own moral code. How can we trust him with protecting the city?

It's not really a religious bias. One of the easiest way to make an antagonist threatening is to grant them "authority" - and historically, in many settings, a dominant religion proves to be one of the more prevalent authority figures.

Kings, emperors, archbishops, CEOs, even teachign staff... The villain is whomever happens to wield the rod in the setting chosen, not religion itself.

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>church are the bad guys
>meanwhile NotMuslim are good multicultural people

I can get behind bad guy church, but at least do the same to the other religions.

>>159086531
The Templars and the excommunicated Fourth Crusaders.

>>159083752
what are you saying? Soviets can't be the antagonists. They aren't even human.

>>159093330
Japan barely knows what Islam is. They're much more familiar with Christianity.

>>159093464
> Soviets can't be the antagonists
Are you forgetting FMP?

>>159082658
And you see a bunch of monks in hentai raping shrine maidens. It's nothing, only because Catholic church's elements look cool.

>>159093330
Can't think of many examples of this in anime at all, especially not with multicultural instead of homogeneous Muslims. Which were you thinking of?

>>159082658
the bible was fake and Jesus was a fictional character
also no anime has ever portrayed the true atrocities towards human civilization that religious groups (both the vatican and the skittles) have caused
now run on back to /pol/ like a good little Christian boy

>>159093707
Don't diss skittles, they're tasty.

>>159082826
Depends on your conception of "good". Looked at within a Darwinian framework "inquisitive" religions are clearly a successful force in our own history and will probably continue to be so considering they out-breed atheists 3:1. Moralistic views of truth/good are pleb tier.

>>159093046
/r/eddit psychoanalysis. It's in every thread
>>159093066
Humanism is for children.
>>159093707
Reddit Revisionism

>>159082658
Jap higher up are scared of letting Christianity spread, they know their atheist and shinto garbage would easily be destroyed by the onslaught of new believers.

>>159093701
There are 'muslims' in E7 but they aren't really depicted as such (they're a fringe religious group that is blamed for violence across the globe and are regularly attacked)
They are also the only organized religion (Church) in the series. The two major players are more neutral than bad, and the Church itself has a number of practices which are discredited by the most important of the two (a superhuman monk)

But they are multicultural. The woman of the two is white with blue eyes (I think), the monk is either brown or tanned (not likely), and a young girl that plays a major role in one episode is black. There's a scattering of background characters too. And, as mentioned, plenty of dissent within the religion itself. They are depicted as 'correct', though, at some fundamental level.
A great depiction of a religion, really.

>>159093880
But Japan had eight Christian Prime Ministers despite the Christian population in Japan lower than 1%.

>>159094076
Weren't those guys more buddhist/shinto?

>>159093330
Well, muslims in Japan are monitored by the Japanese government.

>>159094076
>They are depicted as 'correct', though, at some fundamental level
Is it really a religion when it's a method of communicating with the lifeforms you share your planet with?

>>159094130
Theologically, yes, but they were clearly supposed to be Muslims in terms of analogy and popular depiction. Islam just didn't fit the image they were looking for.
>>159094150
The Vodarac did much more than that, much of which Norb (who could actually communicate) criticized. Namely, trying to fuse a priest to a drive in order to awaken Sakura (which killed at least a few dozen in the process over only a few decades), and locking Sakura away from all human contact when she was actually born to live among humans.

>>159094306
Sakuya*

>>159093849
>/r/eddit psychoanalysis. It's in every thread
Interesting that you didn't say I was wrong.

>>159094346
I implied it. Work on your reading comprehension.

>>159082658
>Seized power over the countries by the means of intimidation
>Accumulates large amounts of wealth, demands more for providing support
>Through calling out to supernatural forces can justify any kind of action including wars against a specific target.
>Eliminates wrongthink, imposes a retarded set of rules for people to follow.
And just look at all the bullshit that happens then orthodox religious invade "pagan" countries. Not to mention the bloodshed that spraws then church desides to have an internal conflict.

If not for the burning of the Alexandria library and dark ages caused by overwhelming control from religious groups,not only humanity would have advanced much faster, but the many ancient records/art could've been saved

>>159094306
Why did they lock up Sakuya, again? I do remember the fusing and that Norb was basically the only success though I seem to remember Dewey fusing himself with a Compac too.

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So who's the best religious character in anime?

>>159094403
Drifters' Jesus

>>159082658
>>159083668
Its because christianity in general is viewed pretty mysteriously by people in Japan as its one of the more "exotic " religions (given they kinda genocided most of the native christian population and had it driven underground). If you look at other series, especially samurai shows, buddhist and shinto priests are sometimes shown as corrupt as well but because its a more decentralized faith its not as damming. Because catholicism is wholly centralized, if something occurs in the church its damming to the whole. The bigger reason however for the church being viewed the way it is is because it really isn't viewed as christian in any way, just as "the big holy church". The big bad/corrupt syndicate who has the trappings of a good guy/organization is an old trope and the church is such a staple in medieval fiction that it just fills the desired role. If you look at it from a Japanese perspective, most "evil churches" in anime aren't even christian in any way, they're just really big, white, extravagant palaces with lots of "cool" crosses with devotion to X God/Goddess(s) of the setting. Clerics aren't even shown as bad most of the time in anime, in fact they are mostly viewed as benifical. Samurai Champloo even talks about the catholic martyrs in Japan, which desu I've never really seen in much historical anime and Kids on the Slope has some pretty good potrayal of Catholics in Japan.

Theres also Maria Watches Over Us which is slightly more accurate, if your into NotYuri

>>159093849
What is it that gives you such faith in the religion you've decided to follow? From an outsider's perspective, all the major religions seem about as plausible as each other on a literal level.

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>>159094443
Yeah, Japan is actually pretty soft on Christianity, especially compared to the West. Japan is soft on religion in general. They're mostly atheists, but not edgy fedora atheists, like we have over here.

The "church is corrupt" twist is just a play on the old Dragon Quest games, where the church was where the hero would go for healing, so he could go back to fighting evil demons.

>>159093707
But atheists (namely the communists of the USSR, eugenicists, etc.) have murdered more people in the last century (60+ million under Stalin alone, etc. etc.) than religious groups of any kind have throughout human history.

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>>159084709
>Where is the glorious Polish empire when you need it.

Same place as all the other Catholic empires.

Catholicism was a mistake.

>>159094556
>From an outsider's perspective, all the major religions seem about as plausible as each other on a literal level.
Even from an atheist perspective, Mormonism and Scientology are objectively less plausible. You can think all religions are bullshit, but there's different levels of bullshit.

>>159094386
They knew she was a Coralian, but they completely misinterpreted her purpose. I think they called her their princess and thought they had to keep her safe in order to preserve their relationship with the Coralians. I suppose that's not wrong.
Dewey fused himself somehow, probably during his time in prison.

>>159094569
b-but all atheists are commie dogs and closet murders/socialists
and catholic priests totally dont like touching little alter boys
gurrr

>>159094556
You've missed the mark entirely.

>>159094605
>>159094386
I haven't watched Eureka 7 in ages, but I remember the plot being retarded, with no one really wanting to kill anyone and the entire thing just being a dumb misunderstanding or something. It's like they created the danger themselves.

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>>159094569
USSR at its worst wasn't "atheist", it was Stalinist. It pretty much borrowed all the trappings of the monotheistic faith (great fatherly figure knows best and loves you if you worship him, icons for every classroom, symbols indicating you belong to the right "faith", obligatory moralistic reading material etc.) and really disliked when evidence-based science was telling it things it didn't want to hear. Pic related is probably the most common face of religion in today's Russia precisely because they're almost the same thing.

>>159094703
I personally follow a non-major religion, but I don't take its dogma as literal truths. I took it that you were more literal about your religion, so I was curious about that. Apologies if I was mistaken.

>>159094598
I don't consider Scientology one of the major world religions; I cede the point on Mormonism.

>>159094840
The plot is great, rewatch it. It functions on a level that is incredibly unique.
>It's like they created the danger themselves.
Yes. Read up on 'dark ecology' to put this into context. Dewey claimed he was saving the planet but he was actually hoping to destroy it because he felt it was defiled. He and likely many others followed the mythologic rituals outlined in the Golden Bough. The Vodarac locked away the girl that was created to cement the bond between humanity and the Coralians. Everybody is wrong in some way but nobody is really 'evil'. I know that AO isn't a favorite, but it depicts Eureka and Renton as wrong, and the Coralians as wrong. Then, it also suggests that the universe is wrong, and that wrongness is universal.

>>159095000
>i dont take it's dogma as literal truths
Disgusting post-modernism. What has made you so afraid of commitment? Why are you such a nihilist? Why are you so against yourself and what you stand for?

>>159082658
>Calling pagans heretics
You are the problem

>>159094886
"Atheist" doesn't mean you don't have faith in anything. It means you disbelieve in a god.

>>159083884
>. Second, anime overwhelmingly portray shinto shrines positively and non-japanese churches negatively. There is a pretty obvious nationalist element at work here.
>This is a bad thing
Good. Fuck your white piggu fairtales.

>>159095172
Right, but "atheist" is not a religion anymore than theist is. It's a label that could be used to describe a religion, like how Buddhism is an atheistic religion.

Modern Atheism as people normally think about it these days, is more of a faith in Science, if you can even call it that.

>>159095124
I have truths which I am committed to and believe in literally; they just don't include any religious dogma. I view the dogma as metaphor, the shadow truth casts even when it can't be observed directly. It's a practice which nourishes the (metaphorical) soul.

>>159095224
>Fuck your white piggu fairytales
>proceed to steal the fuck out of white piggus fairytales for their inferior plebetainment mangos and animus.

Are Nips the niggers of the drawn cartoon industry?

>>159094598
>alien overlord sent in some souls who now posses people
>technically alien overlord hammered together the universe and sent in some creatures, now he watches your every move Big Brother style
The word "plausible" does not apply to any religion in its canonical form. Without the whole spiritual cloak, it sounds indistinguishable from the type of crazy that gets people locked up in a mental asylum.

The christians in this thread need to stop larping and read some more theology, the fedoras need to stop being religious reductionists and blaming problems that were brought on mostly by material conditions, and both need to read more Kierkegaard, history, and philosophy. People who understand their positions don't bitch on an anime board.
t. /lit/

>>159095301
Fuck off, psychobabblist pomo twat. You can't even be ontologically committed.

>>159095344
I've read more theology than you.
t. /a//lit/erate
>history
chech, enjoy your socially appropriate fan fiction.

>>159095252
>more of a faith in Science, if you can even call it that
And considering that science is based on constantly updating and correcting itself as the new data come in, it's the direct opposite of religious faith, which demands unshakeable belief in once revealed, absolute truths. These two mindsets are fundamentally, inherently different.

>>159095355
Not sure where I used psychobabble there, or even postmodernism, but I'm also very well versed in these matters which is why I was curious. I don't know what an ontological commitment would look like either. Regardless, I'm honestly not trying to pick a fight and would be interested in hearing out your reasoning.

>>159094681
The number of people convicted of child molestation is high for any group of people in contact with children for extended periods of time. The rate of child care workers who molest children is much higher than that for priests. Not saying that it doesn't happen, but I don't think that the person's specific occupation has anything to do with it.
That aside, the Catholic Church is riddled with problems, particularly the huge amount of paganism they've integrated into their practices. I respect them for their organizational power, but that's about it.

>>159095326
Nah. The idea of aliens riding around in DC8s, getting dropped in a volcano, and then their spirits being caught with a big machine is much, much stupider than any Abrahamic religion. You're falling into the atheist fallacy of "all religion is equally bullshit". But logic doesn't support that. Scientology asks you to believe more ridiculous things and make more assumptions than other religions do.

Believing that all religions are equally dumb is like believing all lies are equally dumb. Logically speaking, some lies are less plausible than others.

>>159095317
>Steal
I wouldn't call it theft. It's blatantly ripping the theatrical elements out of Christianity and re-purposing it to either shit on the religion as corrupt, or to just prop up some cool looking western cult.

The depth and meaning of the religion is straight up discarded.

It's like calling some one's car shit, and then taking the shell, slapping it over your own car and using it to run over children or make a flamboyant show of it.

>>159095437
>And considering that science is based on constantly updating and correcting itself as the new data come in
Keep telling yourself that, ideologue.
>>159095458
Insincere religiousity and reliance on 'metaphor' is the height of religion for the weak.

You discard the faith and reduce it to psychobabble.

>>159095400
Great, then why are you complaining about religion on an anime board? Take it off this board to somewhere more appropriate. Also,
>Not following historical materialism

>>159095600
This board is perfectly appropriate. /lit/ doesn't understand Eureka Seven and its implications and /his/ is a glorified /sci/.

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>>159095473
I would generally agree with you, but once you get into the realm of literally impossible and completely unproved, things can't really get more impossible. Volcano aliens and many-eyed sentient wheels are equally barking mad; the only difference is that we're more culturally used to the latter. A zombie omnipotent Jew isn't actually more likely to exist than a guy with some alien souls attached to him, but we've been hearing the zombie Jew stories for so long that they sound relatively sane to us now.

>>159095576
I think I get the gist of that, though I don't agree. I admit that faith doesn't have much of a role in my religion, though. To me, faith seems bound up in the literal claims of religion, which as I said before are hard to get behind when they're often so contradictory between religions and yet each religion offers up about as much evidence as the next. How does faith play into your experience of religion?

>>159095726
>impossible
Peak Ideology
>>159095749
>contradictory
Fuck off back to /sci/ or reddit with your psychobabble.

>>159095576
>Keep telling yourself that, ideologue.
That's literally what the scientific method is, retard. There's a reason why nobody pays attention to Aristoteles anymore and Newton isn't considered the absolute authority on physics.

>>159095780
You've lost me. Are you saying the major religions don't contradict each other's dogma? I'm still not sure how this is psychobabble either.

>>159095826
>thats what it is u cant question it its troo!!!
Fuck off, ideologue

Asserting something as correct and self-correcting and all that nonsense is meaningless backpatting.

>>159095914
Contradiction is irrelevant.

>>159095932
Why is it irrelevant? I'm talking about contradictions between their core principles that would make it impossible to faithfully follow more than one religion.

>>159095696
No, its really not. If it were just a discussion about an anime and the faiths within it sure, but this has clearly spiraled off into actual religious debate. People who want to debate that shit can do it elsewhere.

>>159093330
I don't think I've ever seen a single muslim-inspired religion in anime, manga or those isekai light novels

It's always Not!Christianity (and always a botched Catholic version of it) which shows how most authors lack in imagination and history knowledge desu

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The joke is that the Modern Japanese actually eradicated the native Japanese Ainu but pretended they don't. The Japanese only portray churches like that because from their history that's what people in power do.

Trinity Blood has the church portrayed as the good guys if I recall correctly... there's was also this anime about this kid joining a church with this eye thing attached to his hand, where each of the priests(x3) were protagonists...I forget the name though

>>159096017
>I don't think I've ever seen a single muslim-inspired religion in anime, manga or those isekai light novels
>It's always Not!Christianity (and always a botched Catholic version of it) which shows how most authors lack in imagination and history knowledge desu
That might have something to do with Islam not having started a religious civil war in Japan like what the Christians once did. your mistake is assuming that Islam had any real penetration in Japan at all.

>>159095986
Again, back to /r/eddit
>>159095992
Why can't it happen here?

>>159082658
No mention of nuns always being the spec ops soldiers for the church? Where did that meme come from for Japan?

>>159096057
>religious civil war
No such thing exists

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>>159095726
Nah. The idea of an alien race doing impossibly stupid things and an omnipotent being doing impossibly stupid things are entirely different.

Aliens would not have DC-8s. Meanwhile, God could exist and give a bunch of winged human-looking things trumpets. Scientology is asking you to believe that coincidental events JUST HAPPENED TO OCCUR. Abrahamic religions are asking you to believe that an all powerful being planned a bunch of shit out. Can you not see the difference?

>>159096059
Are you unwilling to answer that question, or incapable?

>>159096272
You don't understand me, so why would I answer you?

>>159096059
>Why can't religious debate happen here?
>Anime board
Re-evaluate your stance

>>159096318
So? This recent atomism is the fault of poor moderation. An atomized board is a dull board.

>>159082658
Fuck off, christfag. You are the worst scum in the universe.

>>159096131
Think it's just a subversion of the image of nuns, much like evil clowns are a subversion of comical clowns. I don't think this idea originated in Japan either...

>>159083563
>Wanting anime to portray christians positively when it comes from an island that rooted out and executed christians

Is it any wonder its my favorite country on Earth?

>>159096284
So that you can be understood?

You said not taking a religion's dogma as literal truth is "Disgusting post-modernism". If you think dogma should be taken literally, why are contradictions in literally interpreted dogma "irrelevant"?

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>>159086736
Chuckling because it looks like he was trying to play the harmonica, but then realized he couldn't because he wasn't supposed to use his teeth, so he had them all knocked out but then realized he doesn't have lips

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>>159082658
I'm not even mad about the "evil church" being such a common trope in anime. I imagine it has a lot to do with Christianity being very exotic to the Japanese and Catholocism in general just having a very cool aesthetic that lends them very well to being villains.

What upsets me is that *demons* are so often portrayed as the good guys. You have literally the most evil things you can even imagine, yet they're depicted as the good guys all the time. This is just as annoying as that "the short, skinny guy is actually the strongest and the big, buff dude a jobber" trope. It started out as a subversion of expectations, but now the subversion is so common it has itself become a cliché and playing things straight is actually more surprising than the subversion.

>>159096365
tired of an overused trope in anime? Must be a christfag.

Dat Logical reasoning

>>159096393
>Being this edgy
>Being this reactionary

>>159096393
I take it your top 10 countries is filled with Islamic countries then.

>>159096242
The idea that an omnipotent (and therefore infinitely complex) being just kind of popped out into reality is utterly nonsensical by its very definition. The basic premise asks you to disregard all the natural laws and all the laws of probability. What follows after it is essentially irrelevant because it's all built on an impossibly stupid premise that has already jumped the shark as far as plausibility is concerned.

>>159096454
>pick out a specific trope that isn't all that common in the grander scheme of things
>try to claim you aren't a christfag

>>159096461
Hah, no, all you religionist fuckers need to die.

>>159096460
I'll take edgy, but religionists, especially monotheists, are the most annoying people around. Not only are they 100% wrong about literally everything, they still try to shove their stupid beliefs down your throat anyway.

>>159096521
It seems your talking more about a select few people you have met or seen and not the majority which keep to themselves or mention in passing.

>>159096452
If the church is evil then the whole "demons are bad" thing was obviously propaganda and they were just misunderstood.

>>159096521
>grander scheme of things
>posting on /a/

pick one

>>159096345
>An atomized board is a dull board
An atomized board, if we're using atomized to mean the board is focusing on its stated topic, is a board doing its job

>>159096588
Some people are worse than others, yes, but the moment anyone starts talking (and they love to talk about their fucking god) its all "you're going to hell" and "repent" every other word out of their mouth.

>>159096644
I meant even within /a/, like drill hair or anime set in high schools. There are way more common tropes every season.

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Feudal Japan did nothing wrong.

>>159096521
This is the religion that screams about being attacked and oppressed, just because they're not getting as much special treatment as they use to.

>>159096709
Feudal Japan did a lot of things wrong, not even in relation to just the Christians

>>159096479
>The idea that an omnipotent (and therefore infinitely complex) being just kind of popped out into reality is utterly nonsensical by its very definition
It's the complete opposite. The idea that "the universe just happened" is utterly nonsensical. The idea that an omnipotent being has always existed and created everything is pretty logical.

>The basic premise asks you to disregard all the natural laws and all the laws of probability.
The basic premises asks you to understand that natural laws were created by something beyond them. It's sort of like how humans can write a book and put anything they want in it.

> What follows after it is essentially irrelevant because it's all built on an impossibly stupid premise that has already jumped the shark as far as plausibility is concerned.
You're not listening to the logical part of your brain. You're speaking on your gut feelings, which aren't logical.

>>159096717
What is? I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but if you're implying that I am trying to represent Islam or something similar, you're way off base. I am atheist and I hate those Islamic fuckers too.

>>159096805
I was agreeing to your first part:
>pick out a specific trope that isn't all that common in the grander scheme of things
>try to claim you aren't a christfag

Sorry if I wasn't clear.

>>159096832
Ah, I see. My bad.

>>159096748
Murrica is much worse.

>>159096871
>bill of rights
>free market capitalism
>protestant work ethic
It didn't more things right than wrong.

>>159096693
>Some people are worse than others, yes, but the moment anyone starts talking (and they love to talk about their fucking god) its all "you're going to hell" and "repent" every other word out of their mouth.
Where the hell do you live? What sects are you surrounded by?

>>159096693
fair enough, but it's still a common enough trope that one doesn't have to be a christfag to call it out as cliche.

>>159096909
I'm in California. Yeah, its supposed to be pretty chill here with regards to religion. I can only have nightmares imagining what it must be like in the midwest or the south.

>>159096889
Cherry picking doesn't make my statement any less correct.

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>>159096871
I'm not even a fan of America and I think they exaggerate a lot of their own history as part of the intellectual illness known as American exceptionalism, but you're so wrong it's not even funny.

You do know we're talking about the Japan where the samurai were reduced to an administrative class, but could still pull all kinds of shit on peasants, right? A Japan where putting legal limitations on the ruling classes wasn't even an idea until the Meji Restoration dumped the entire corpus of antiquity and early modernism on them, right?

>>159096871
it's not a fucking contest
why can't we just say this is "X" without some fag coming along going "WELL THIS IS MORE "X" and stars Vin Diesel!"

>>159096889
>Protestant work ethic
Literally the most cancerous thing to happen to the American labor movement, work isn't meant to fetishized. Its necessary, but to pretend it doesn't alienate parents from their children and somehow that "work for the sake of work" is good is destructive.

>>159095150
How did you miss the word "AND"?

>>159097066
I agree. Given that we are all /a/nons, this should be more obvious to all of us aspiring NEETs.

>>159097000
It's like that one fucktard on the playground who is always trying to butt into people's chats or shit. "Yea well I can do that too and even better." When nobody cares and wasn't even interacting with you.

>>159082658
>tired of seeing inquisitive churches portrayed as the villains.
I know, it does get a bit dull seeing something that's the same as reality all the time.

>>159097113
Except people pull this shit well into adulthood

>>159093707
Actually, the church was a very positive organisation for western civilisation. Contrary to the belief, they promoted scientific advancement for exemple. Many atrocities attributed to the church were actually not their responsibility. Witch hunt, for exemple, was mainly led by the law enforcers and the elite, not the church. Crusades were defensive war after 500 years of muslim aggression.

Catholic Church did crimes too, but to treat it as if it was the root of all evil is just using a scapegoat to hide the fact that mankind as a whole can suck too.

>>159097146
>inquisitive churches
Christianity is literally ISIS lite, except they are forced to back down by secular law.

>>159097409
To be fair, they created and acknowledged secular law, because the civilization involved understood the need for separation of church and state.

Islam just hasn't grown out of its teenage years of getting everything it wants and lashing out when it doesn't.

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>>159097409
christian empires
>libraries
>hospitals
>renaissance
>advancements in art, science, and learning

atheist empires
>famine
>gulags
>destruction of the environment
>100s of millions slaughtered

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>>159097320
>Witch hunt, for exemple, was mainly led by the law enforcers and the elite, not the church.
1. Not an argument
2. You're forgetting about the elephant in the room: witch hunts were a protestant thing and most common in America, Scotland and Switzerland. There was this Spanish priest who made a witchhunting manual (that the aforementioned protestants gleefully used) but the Vatican had banned it almost as soon as it came out. In fact, under Charlemagne those who accused others of witchcraft were executed, not the accused.

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>>159097560
>>159097409
This is a Fundamentalist Christian society. Tell me again how they're like ISIS.

>>159097320
>Catholic Church did crimes too, but to treat it as if it was the root of all evil is just using a scapegoat to hide the fact that mankind as a whole can suck too.
True; the Church is not the root of all evil. The reality is that lots of people are shitheads, and any large and powerful organisation is going to wind up with a lot of shitheads in it, who usually take it over, and fuck everything up for everyone else.

But whether it's originally the Church's fault or not, the reality is still that for quite a lot of history, the Church has been run by shitheads fucking things up for everyone. That they're not the only shitheads fucking things up for everyone is kind of beside the point.

>>159097606
>1. Not an argument
Yes. Yes, it is. Just because you say it ain't, doesn't make it so.

>>159097606
While it's true that Charlemagne was strongly against witchhunts, that was on the basis that he believed magic wasn't real. He had no qualms with brutalizing pagans.

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>>159097595
>advancements in art, science, and learning
>what are the dark ages?

>>159097962
Can't blame Catholicism for the Black Death.

>>159097606
Witch hunt was more refering to the strange phase in the renaissance, where you had massive witch hunt. But you right, I wasn't refering to the protestant witch hunting. But this is an argument because people often thinks witch hunting was done by the Church when it wasn't.

By the way, inquisition was also not the murderous psychos we tend to imagine. It was more a police force that led investigations. And they weren't even the one who would judge peoples once they manage to solve a case, that was the state's justice.

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>>159097824
>He had no qualms with brutalizing pagans.
To be fair, they were merely G*rmans.

>>159097962
Dark age was not a fuckin hell hole, this is a stupid belief borned in the mind of people who never studied this part of european history. Like the god damn myth of "prima nocte" ect ect.

>tfw you're a hardcore Catholic and you actually do what your religion to take over the world

That's pretty much what the Gospels say to do, after all.

>>159091174
>sisters and nuns often to have more positive portrait and are show to be understanding and kind than the priest or brothers the male are often show to be vary bad and negative？

Because nuns are women so they have the caretaker need unfulfilled since they have no children or pets to substitute for them. Furthermore women are subordinate to men in church hierarchy and men are the community leaders so women only have reclusive worshiping in nunnery or helping the community jobs. Women are kind and helpful because they can't be assholes since they're weaker than half the society (males) and would get their shit kicked in.

>>159095172
No, it literally means you don't believe in anything, in the context of religion.

>>159098402
>the·ism
>ˈTHēˌizəm/
>noun
>noun: theism
> belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in one god as creator of the universe, intervening in it and sustaining a personal relation to his creatures.
I wonder what "atheism" means.

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>>159098269
Except they're the ones who got taken over. See their submissive pope with this Muslim for example.

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>>159098583
>he fell for the /pol/ meme about "cuckolics"

>>159088438
Oh yes, because kikes fucking LOVE Christianity, right?
Kill yourself, fedorashitter.

Nips are still butthurt about christianity. Mix in with the fanatic crusade against it in the west rubbing off them as a fad to be imitated and that's what you get. Though even in this case the portrayals are usually a lot tamer compared to what you'd see here. The difference comes from the goals, one being entertainment while the other outright propaganda and "education".

>>159098583
I guess Jesus was cucked by his disciples as well then.

>>159098634
Hard to trust a denomination that is riddled with pedophiles. I'd be cautious if I were you.

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>>159097320

>crusades were defensive war after 500 years of aggression

Oh yes peacefully living in your lands is aggression so you deserve to invaded by genocidal religious fanatics who use every dirty trick they can to spread their war cult...

Then you are the bad guy too because ignorant people in the future instantly judge you by your religion.

>>159098786
Christians fucking love and protect Jews though. Muslims in contrast don't.

>>159099233
>Christians fucking love and protect Jews though.
They fucking well don't. Many Christians don't seem to even understand that Christ was a Jew and Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism.

>>159099233
Well that explains why christianty is subverted out of existence.

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>>159099233
>Christians fucking love and protect Jews
Today, perhaps.

>>159099160
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo

>>159099233
You could scarcely be more wrong. It would have been far, far better to be a Jew in Muslim-controlled Spain than Catholic-controlled Spain.

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>lawfags

>>159099339

>"w-why are you fighting back!?"

Just wow.

As expected of someone who believes in magical skydaddy.

>>159099336
>Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
I can't tell if this is parody or intentionally fabricated to trick people.

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>>159099397
Houlala

>>159099433
Hey, remember it's jews we're talking about.

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>>159082658
Just like Islam in current year are also the good guys right?
Medieval European Christians are very comparable to current day sandniggers.
Dumb burger.

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>>159095923
You're a complete moron and you should kill yourself.

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>>159082658

>>159095923
>meaningless
As opposed to what, taking one position and defending it to death no matter what? Because looking at the reply chain that's what you seem to be advocating.

>>159092298
>I just watched Rage of Bahamut Genesis, and the demons were evil while the angels were good.
Both of them are assholes and respectively verge into lawful and chaotic stupid.

Do the Japanese like Paradise Lost?

what did you expect nigga, look up japan's history with the church

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If Japan embraced Christianity they'd be like Korea and we'd probably not get degenerate cartoons

>>159096521
fedora tipping scum, enjoy getting beheaded while they rape your mother and sister

>>159102909
>korea
>not degenerates themselves
dude what?