One Piece

>>158836239

>Will of D
>Muh nakama
>Going Merry
>Haki
>Devil fruits

>>158836239
>There are no "O' MY RUBBER NEN"'s in One Piece
What about Eneru

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>blocks your path
What did I just hear you say about SaNa not being canon, sweetie?

He should have died to the lion fag in the water arc, that was some asspull shit since the guy hit him with killer attacks multiple times

>>158836239
"One Piece exists!" is the single moment the series reached its peak. There are other arcs of comparable quality for sure, but I don't think there's an arc better than Marineford.

>O MY GEAR 269430

Tried reading HXH a few years ago but couldn't get past the first 150 chapters. Just seemed like a generic battle shounen with some edgy moments whereas I was hooked on OP since the first chapter.

>>158836466
Its pretty good mate. Nen is one of the best power systems in any comic book. If you like OP you will definitely enjoy it.

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>>158836368
YOUR SHITPOSTING.....its EVOLVING!!!!

Good shit tho, good shit.

these threads fucking blow because pussy mods won't do anything about shitposters, they've let that faggot repost the same fucking image ten times in every single thread and he's just going to do it in this one. they'll fucking randomly delete singular images that dont affect the thread, and nothing else. mods have ruined these generals

>>158836521
Nen is an asspull concept. You can literally escape death if you just make a deal with it.

>>158836239
O MY NIGHTMARE FORM

>>158836466
How the fuck can you call HxH generic and then pretend One Piece isn't?

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>>158836239
Great. So now on top of shipposters we have to deal with HXH fags. Good job OP, you just opened up a whole new box of cancer.

>>158836621
Nightmare Luffy was time limited and gave him a modest power boost, it didn't bring him back from the dead for no reason.

Remind he Luffy beat enel

With strong enough voltage lightning can melt rubber purely off the heat generated

>>158836684
me how*

>>158836642
It doesn't pretend to be edgy like HXH and is not just about shitty fights. I like the adventure aspect, lighthearted tone, and the world building which HXH seems to lack(from what I gathered of the first 150 chapters). Its a generic epic style story but it doesn't pretend to be anything else, which is why I like it.

>>158836432
>no full fight
>better arc

Choose one

>>158836368
Good lord you're mutating into something this world may not be ready for.

>>158836738
>o my gomu gomu awakening

The properties of gum are already there

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>>158836521

>>158836738
>It doesn't pretend to be edgy like HXH

How do you expect me to take your opinion seriously saying HxH is edgy?

I don't care what you like, one piece is the most generic manga out there to a point they literally copy and past a previous arcs structure and make a new arc based off that e.g Alabasta and dressrosa.

HxH has better pacing and doesn't waste 100 episodes getting party members before the crew actually starts their real adventure

>>158836432
It's a great moment, but Oda's completely right when he calls Marineford a sidetrack. It affects almost nobody in the crew, it's all about the big players in the political world which are usually fairly distant to the actual story.

>>158836239
>There are no "O' MY RUBBER NEN"'s in One Piece
Yes there are, they are just cleverly disguised as lore.

>>158836893
>they literally copy and paste a previous arcs structure and make a new arc based off that e.g Alabasta and dressrosa

I mean, it's a sailing adventure, what do you expect?

>>158836825
>>158836893
Eh. HxH's world doesn't feel real imo, whereas Oda has done such a good job with the world building that there's so much to speculate on and expect. And its comical that you complain about the pacing because at least OP fans gets to enjoy the content on a regular basis and by the time 100 episodes has passed, you guys end up getting only like 5 chapters. And for me, dressrosa was the only time I had trouble with the pacing otherwise it's been smooth sailing for the most part.

>>158836466
For all the fags saying that One Piece is so 'generic'. Tell me, without me asking for recs here mods please read between the lines, what is so generic about it? Also generic isn't bad if it's high quality. I wish One Piece was bottom of the barrel and things would only improve from there but as it stands its one of the few shonen battle manga that doesn't have trash writing. It's genuinely brilliant, self-aware, parody, comedic, yet gets people that aren't too informed on it emotional enough about it to use words like 'nakama' unironically. I like edge though. Why do people hate edge again?

>>158836239
O

>>158836239
I wanna fuck Luffy desu

>>158837034
I prefer gory and violent things to be done on special cases cause thats when it has a lot of impact. If it's done all the time, it just seems unnecessary to me. And for me I find it funny how edgy mangas try to portray the world as all doom and gloom and purposely avoid some of its positive aspects. Just feels imbalanced.

>>158837079
CAPTAIN

Can someone summarize the last 10 chapters I legit didn't understand shit

>>158837157
What manga are you talking about in particular here? I think that just leans on being a poorly written one moreso than it trying to be as edgy as possible

>>158837169
MY

>MY NEN IS STRONGER THAN UR NEN XDDD SORRY GON

Next level power writing

>>158837197
Berserk(though I heard its gotten better), and HXH is unnecessarily gory imo.

>>158836581
yeah but it was shown that logias could train so that their DF activates unconsciously, like Crocodile

>>158837209
RUBBER

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>>158836239
GOODBYE CARROT. Time to go home.

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End game right here, brothers

>>158837257
BROKE

>>158837231
Berserk isn't edgy. He's just cursed. Only the first panel is out of place edgy and that's to set the tone. It's like those early Naruto panels that were toned down in the anime.

>I heard its gotten better
Personally I think it's worse now.

>>158837187
luffy allies with mafia boss
try to kill big mom but they get btfo
jinbei is going to die soon
linlin did nothing wrong
sana is canon

>>158836941
Don't give me that bullshit, recycling a major's arc premise and structure is epitome of laziness.
>>158837001
There's just as much as speculation in the current hxh arc so don't know what you're smoking.

And no the pacing in one piece is trash, how many episodes/chapters did it take for series to finally get it's main crew and sail off on their adventure?

>>158837157
Hunter x Hunter isn't particularly gory or violent. It only gets that reputation compared to kid-friendly shonen. It's usually only as dark as an average OP flashback, just a bit more cynical with philosophies leaning more towards pragmatism with idealism usually being treated as noble but futile but noble.

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>>158837281
End game brothers right here, brothers

>>158837034
>It's genuinely brilliant
>Recycling arcs and dragging it out for years
>BRILLIANT

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>>158837264
But, Uncle Pedro, we still have to escape! And you're obligated to make that HEROIC SACRIFICE that's been foreshadowed ever since you revealed you've had your life shortened by Big Mom.

Better get dying, bitch. I'm going adventuring with Luffy!

>>158837389
Luffy-kun~*

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>luffy went through so much shit for Ace
>the little bitch got taunted and then stopped following luffy like a retard and then died making everything luffy did pointless

Yeah dropped that shit there, how can someone be this selfish and retarded? I even felt like i wasted time watching luffy do all his shit.

>>158837187
They try to assassinate Big Mom. Plan is to distract her (Luffy and a bunch of his mirror clones jump out of the cake) while Brook breaks Carmel's picture, it will make Big Mom cry and lose her invincibility for a few seconds - that's when Capone's men shoot her with poison gas. Meanwhile, Sanji saves his family.
Brook breaks the picture, Big Mom screams, drops on her knees and bleeds, Capone's men prepare to shoot, flashback time.
Big Mom was an unstoppable monster since the age of 5, it made her parents ditch her on Elbaf where Carmel took her in her orphanage with other kids. One day, they all joined in celebrating winter solstice with giants which involved fasting for 12 days. On the 7th day, Big Mom went on a hungry rampage (like CROQUEMBOUCHE) and killed several giants, including one of their leaders. They managed to stop her by giving her the snack she wanted (and Carmel stopped the fire she caused by using Soul Soul fruit), but when Big Mom came to, she didn't remember a thing. Giants wanted to kill her, but Carmel took the children and left Elbaf.
Then it's revealed Carmel was a human trafficker all along who sold children to the Navy, Cipher Pol and such. She wanted to sell Big Mom to CP-0. Then it was Big Mom's 6th birthday, they made her a cake, and she was so happy that she got carried away and ate Carmel and the other kids together with the cake. But she couldn't remember doing it, so she just thought they all left while she was eating.
She was seen by two people: a giant, who left for Elbaf and told everyone that Big Mom ate Carmel and the rest alive, and the cook who made the wedding cake for Pudding's wedding. The cook was a sick bastard who liked what he saw and decided to stick around. Using his own DF, Cook Cook fruit, he made all kinds of food for Big Mom so she wouldn't starve. Together, they founded Big Mom pirates and Totland (the island they were on was Whole Cake Island). 1/2

>>158837352
You've got any actual arguments? What do you consider genuine brilliancy then?

>>158837443
Ace is a bitch, a dick, and an asshole. He's a one man anal porn with fisting on the side. Or through the chest.

Anyways, Ace is actually a shit character and I hate him more than I hate Law.

>>158836239
>There are no "O' MY RUBBER NEN"'s in One Piece
Pell didn't die

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I don't know what feels better that SaNa got this page or the butthurt of the other shippers.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>158837504
>hating law
law is great because he gets constantly abused by the strawhats

fuck ace and sabo though

>>158837187
>>158837455
Big Mom was so strong, she got a 500 million bounty as a kid, and it only went on growing. She became able to use Soul Soul fruit seemingly without eating the fruit (most likely because she ate Carmel). Flashback over.
In the present, Capone's men shoot, but Big Mom's scream is so powerful that it obliterates the rockets mid-air and breaks the mirror they were supposed to use to escape. It also knocks the Tamatebako away, sending it falling down from the plateau. Nami gives Vinsmokes they raid suits, they HENSHIN and fight Big Mom's kids, but there are too many enemies. Capone creates a big castle (called Big Father) and tells the allies to get inside, but it only manages to buy them a little time. Big Mom regains consciousness and attacks the castle, injuring Capone. If the castle is destroyed, Capone dies.

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>>158836368
I once hated you but now, now you're all right.

>>158837560
I just hate how much of an edgy fujobait Law is. Poochie D. Law is accurate.

But I prefer to call him Trafalgar D. Edgehog

>>158837473
>What do you consider genuine brilliancy then?

When an author doesn't have to rely on recycling a previous popular arc then that's the start of writing something good

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>>158837389
Its ok Carrot, I know you're scared shitless cause of facing a Yonkou, which is why I'll send you with my former mink crew back to Zou.

Now that Luffy and the crew have BTFO BigMom and I got my life back, I owe my existence to Luffy and will do whatever it takes to make him Pirate King. Dont cause too much trouble back at home you hear!!

If One Piece was as series that actually did research on elements ENEL would have killed luffy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq-_JzYM6bo

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>>158837623
Sucks for you I guess. Lets agree to disagree cause I genuinely tried getting into HXH and just wasn't the manga for me whereas its probably the opposite for you.

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>>158837545
and heres namis POV in the pupil-edit

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>>158837632
PSH. You couldn't stop me from coming with you guys. What can your old crew do? They'll get half-way to Zou before realizing I'm still with Luffy-kun~. And I ain't scared. I'm shaking 'cause I'm EXCITED! THIS IS FUNZIES!

>>158837721
It's a cartoon.

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>>158837545
>>158837734
You are beyond retarded. Take your fanart back to tumblr. Face it, her eyeline converges on Sanji's face in the edit and into the distance in the original. It was most likely a mistake by Oda, that will be fixed in the volume release/anime.

>>158837734
She should really get that glaucoma checked out.

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>>158837760
No need to put up such a brave act Carrot. I know you wanna travel the seas but I saw how you were shaking from fear when Daifuku almost got you. You can travel with the mink crew and they're defintely not gonna go to Wano. Now excuse me while me and my new best friend help Luffy in his journey.

>>158837623
So who? Which titles? Give me something to work with.

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>>158837623
>recycling a previous popular arc is generic

>>158836684
You know how Devil Fruits can be subservient to others? Well what if some are natural counters to each other? Could be a fun thing to play with.

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>>158837860
Don't worry, Uncle Pedro. You're NOBLE FINAL ACT to save us all will not be forgotten, and will give me more determination to carry on and adventure in your name! Your BRAVE SACRIFICE will move us all! Sure, me and Luffy-Kun~ will mourn, but we will carry on. And when I find a CERTAIN DEAD BIRD BITCH'S fruit, and I get my snow powers, I'll be able to help Luffy reach his goal to be Pirate King better. On your honor, of course!

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>>158837734
A little more to the left.
That's why that autists edit is wrong

People who hate on Marineford are just new and were not on /a/ when the arc was happening. The last stretch of the arc is full of shit hitting the fan week after week after week.

One week, we got Ace's death, the next week we got Blackbeard's arrival, the week after that, Whitebeard dies with the words "One Piece, it exists", the following week Blackbeard got Whitebeard's power. You think it's over? One week later Shanks arrived to end the war.

Being a One Piece on /a/ 7 years ago was a full on blast. Threads were had, capslock were on, shitposting drowned (to some extend). And after what's done is done, Oda decided to take a ONE MONTH hiatus before the time-skip, and the mod stickied the news (to the chagrin of Satoshi Kon fans because the One Piece sticky replaced the sticky about the news of Kon's passing) which reached 4k posts.

You just had to be there.

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>>158838042
>you're still triggered enough to false flag as me
It makes it all worth it, to be honest. Everyone just ignore my retarded little cousin here. He's trying to make SaNa look bad with specious arguments based on fanart.

>>158838089
Marineford was good but >>158836768

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>>158838107
So that's what you are trying to do. I already knew that though.
Stay mad LuNafag.

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>>158836368
TFW SaNafag is getting out-trolled and this dude is actually kind of funny. Keep it up my dude, I'm not even mad anymore.

>>158836466
watch the 2011 anime
Togashi's art is dogshit

>Oda will never top Enies Lobby
why even read bros?

>>158838204
LuNafags are still getting butthurt by his false flag though. It's all good

>>158836368
>sweetie
What does she mean by this?

>>158838250
He topped Enies Lobby two arcs before that.

>>158837545
Which other shippers?

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>>158838336
I'm more of a SaPu myself.

Is the door from PH stronger than Sanji?

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>>158838336
SaPoofags aka L*N*whales

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TFW Oda is right on the precipice of causing massive butthurt by opening the huge can of worms called crew romance. Remember that Oda never said there would be no crew romance, just that "they are in love with adventure".

Ussop and Kaya are clearly gonna end up together. Chopper is already in love. And one of the MAIN THEMES of this arc is romance, and within the next few chapters we will know for sure if Pudding and Sanji are in love(Sanji has been at one point with her but now we are not sure, Pudding may have fallen for him). And if that occurs then it would demolish both the SaNa fanbase and the no-romance whatsoever fanbase. Pushing forward even further, wait as Zoro and Tashigi's relationship will be expanded upon in Wano, as well that of Franky and Robin(matching shirts, and him sleeping on her lap is NOTHING?!).

Finally, last but not least wait as Luffy will either have to choose between Hancock and Nami
as Hancock's past may very well be focused on in the Celestial Dragons Arc. And Nami will probably get some spotlight when Luffy inevitably faces another emotional breakdown(due to loss of crew, death, etc).

From here on out its gonna be the OP is gonna truly be Romance Dawn. Damn it feels good to be an enlightened OP reader.

>>158838579
Vivi is in the Luffybowl too. Don't discount her, even though she wont win!

>>158838579
Chopper got a boner, let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

>>158838636
>Chopper got a boner
hold the fuck up

>>158838579
>(matching shirts, and him sleeping on her lap is NOTHING?!).
That sleeping on her lap bit was an edit. The matching outfits was fun, and they are a very good duo (especially with Brook now), but they haven't shown any real romantic inclinations.

>>158837795
>makes retarded edit
>someone makes a strawpoll to see which /a/ prefers
>everyone votes for the original
>butttriggered madfag floods the poll with votes in his favor, about thirty votes in ten minutes
>continues reposting the screenshot of fake poll results daily

why are you such a loser? it's even worse because the everyone agreed the edit was shit and a new thread was made, yet you keep bringing up the poll. just how triggered are you?

>>158838579
Usopp had a scene that was almost exactly the same as this, in reaction to the same event even.

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>>158836323

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>>158838579
I think LuNa will happen. The hints that are there are definitely NOT explained by both of them being the main male and female roles.
I'm also not ignoring how the rest of the crew acts the same if not more

>>158836239
>There are no "O' MY RUBBER NEN"'s in One Piece
No, there's just "O MY RUBBER BODY, LET ME BLOW AIR INTO IT TO SOMEHOW MAKE IT STRONGER" moments constantly.

At least gear 2 made sense. But, a 1lb rubber brick blown up with air to be 10 feet wide still just weights 1lb.

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>>158838705
>this much damage control
You don't take losing well, do you? Stay upset, L*N*Blimp.

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>>158837795
Feel free to post your hijacked strawpoll daily, I'll just be posting this every time you do.

>>158838579
How is are Nami OR Luffy love interests to eachother?

>>158836239
>hxh has some terrible art that is fixed later
>one piece has a terrible anime that will never be fixed

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>>158838805
top fucking l o l. Thank you for posting this. Your ass must feel like you met up with akainu at a gay mens bathhouse.

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>>158838805
HAHAHAHA. Holy shit the BUTTHURT

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>>158838837
>colorspreads
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>158838847
According to that screenshot there should be 36 other people who frequent these threads who would agree with you that the poll is not fake.

I have not seen a single person besides you vouch for that poll. You're a loser and I hope you get banned for your constant shitposting.

Please stop this One Piece v Hunter X Hunter shit storms. It just makes the fans of both look bad.

>>158838941
who cares

>>158838837
All those color spreads are cropped out of group shots with everyone in them.

>>158837795
>expects anyone to believe 50 people voted in a random strawpoll in a one piece thread

lol what, strawpolls literally never get more than twenty votes in these threads. this is obviously b8

>>158839019
So? Doesn't change the fact that she clearly wants dick as she is placed extremely close to him.

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>>158838922
You seem upset. Don't be. Learn to lose with a little dignity. Learn to choose the winning ship. Embrace SaNa, it will be canon soon. Pic very related.

>>158839059
Do you think male and female characters are magnetically pushed away from each other unless they're romantic interests

>>158839059
And what about the dozens of dozens of other color spreads where she's not placed close to him?

>>158836905
But it's also the arc that entirely sets up the universe we now exist in for the series, without that arc, we'd know nothing about like any of the major players in the world and have no idea of what level Luffy was actually on, it was a set-up that's needed, otherwise we'd just have to settle for a bunch of exposition about stuff people would have wanted to see like we get now

That said, anyone who thinks it is the best arc is retarded, it's the climax, but it's not even close to the best example of what made One Piece great

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>>158838089
>7 years ago
>this can't be right. I'm 99% sure this is bs
>google it
>2009–2010 (Manga)
Jesus christ no.

>One Piece recycles arcs meme
Name one time this happens. If you say Dressrosa recycles Alabasta, you're genuinely retarded. The similarities are only on the surface. If you dig into the differences, you'll understand the story Oda was trying to tell with Dressrosa.

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>>158838728
Fair enough. Though this picture speaks volumes as well.

>>158838579
All memes aside if I was Oda I would be tempted to troll the shippers after watching the massive shitstorms over Naruto and Bleach. Luckily Oda is not me and respects is work too much to do something as retarded as that.

>>158837443
Uh, the alternative is "yeah...sorry" so I think it's for the best, you can't get worse than Sasuke and still be considered a character

>>158839104
>>158839109
Could be nothing sure. But Oda does it often enough where imo he is definitely hinting at something. Whether anything happens or not, I dont know but taken the direction OP is clearly heading at right now, this will probably come up as a later plot point as said >>158838579

>>158839180
SaNafags are the most delu-


I'm done with this retarded fan base

>>158839294
Tbh, no-romance fags will get btfo the hardest which will also be fun to watch.

>>158839285
>imo
You're not even worth talking to.

>>158839177
b-but they go onto an island everytime and there's a villlain and drama and fighting...

The sad thing is the actually HxH threads are about the same level as this thread.

>>158839285
>hinting at something
>in colorspreads
No he is not. This is some Ichiruki level shipping. Embarrassing

>>158836239
O

>>158836738

HxH at least for the first 13 volumes has much less fights than one piece.

>>158839361
The OPM thread earlier was like exactly the same as OPG has been including twin shitposters ruining the thread using the same gimmick. It was impressive.

>>158839362
Oda has a history of using colorspreads to foreshadow plot details. Its funny how in terms of other theories and speculation they are accepted as solid evidence whereas with "shipping" all hell breaks loose.

>>158838772
Your message and image conflict with each other, are you implying you thought Naruto and Sakura was going to happen despite the series going out of its way all throughout its run to make it clear it wasn't?

The sort of interactions people cling on to for shipping are the sort that can be totally taken anyway depending on what the epilogue presents. At this point, you could ship any character with another and it could make perfect sense.

>>158839319
I'm not against romance. I'm sure it will happen at the end but your hints are some of the most retarded shit I have ever seen.
Nami acts like everyone else in the crew acts with Luffy.
Especially the ones who are closes to him(Zoro and Usopp)

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I can't tell if the shipping is ironic or not. I always assumed there were a few shippers in the fanbase, but I figured they just did it for fun and kept it in their own corner of the internet. Now they are actively ruining the little discussion had here. Honestly feel like its some kind of plot to create shipping butthurt on the level of Bleach and Naruto, but Occam's razor says these people are just slightly loony.

>>158839180
Nami is very hot here

>>158839520
I remember when shipping wasn't even allowed in these threads

and for good reason

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>>158839442
Oh really like what? Plead show me what.
Ace death is total bullshit btw. And even if it wasn't that's only just 1 time.
Also how do you explain other colorspreads where Oda seems to be hinted other ships? Pic related is the only one I have saved but there have also been color spreads for Zoro x Nami.
How do you explain those?

>>158836239
agreed yet HxH might be a decent competition for One Piece if its mangaka wasn't a lazy fag.

>>158836323
how is that a "rubber nen" moment? Ruffy inventing another gear during the timeskip is nothing surprising.

>>158839442
>5

I'm surprised, because I remember when OP fans were not shitposters. But, I haven't followed OP for a while. Right, now HXH threads are pure cancer. between 99 vs 11 fags, O my rubber nen shitposters and so on I don't even bother.

>>158839164
You are here forever.

>>158836239
>My shitty WSJ series is better than yours!
Who cares? Shounenshitters need to fuck off already.

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>>158839180
That obvious romantically-interested-tsundere-picks-at-character-flaws trope. Fucking Goda.

Why is Ivankov so based? When I first saw is design before I was even close to Impel Down I absolutely hated him but after marathoning the manga up to the timeskip he's become one of my favorite characters.

>>158839690
>Who cares? Shounenshitters need to fuck off already.

I remember when HxH was more obscure and less people knew about it before the 2011 anime brought in the swath of newfags who constantly want to measure dicks with other shounenshitters.

>>158839690
>muh taste is objectively superior
go back to your harem animus you pillowhugger faggot

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>>158839719
Wtf Luffy x Usopp is canon now

>>158839633
Not the guy you responded to but colorspreads still retain the character and personality of the crew. So it makes sense people would use it for shipping. As for the images you showed, they are all that of Sanji looking at Nami and it is in his character to ogle women. Not here to argue ships but just letting you know why people use them in arguments and why it's valid.

>>158838772
Why did Naruto care for Sakura again? Nobody else did right?

>>158839791
He's not picking at his character flaws he is just saying that there are enemies Luffy can't beat; therefore Luffy needs his power. Learn to read and don't reply to my posts or my posts children ever again.

>>158838818
hxh 2011 isn't all that great either

The problem with One Piece is its terrible world building and hamfisted attempts at tackling social issues without any nuance whatsoever. The world of OP feels artificial, every arc and location has some relation to the strawhats, it's built around them rather than existing as separate beings with their own historical and social context that can fully function without their existence. Also the rich and privileged exploiting the poor done redundantly in the most cringe manner. Let's not forget the shallow one dimensional characters with Sabo being a literal shoehorned replacement for Ace. Terrible twist, it rendered the entirety of post-timeskip meaningless, not to mention the drawn out pacing and cluttering of panels.

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>>158839586
I remember when Naruto discussion was pretty much not tolerated on /a/. One Piece and HxH were accepted without shitposting, and we discussed Bleach just to see how far Kubo was willing to go to fuck with his readers. I don't know what changed, but it was not for the better. /a/ was never perfect, but it was better than it is now. If the archives were around I think it would be pretty easy to prove. I could just be getting too old for this shit though.

>>158839855
>you are wrong
Wow you post definitely helped LuNa there

>>158839886
It's literally the best animated long running shonen adaptation.

>>158839911
Hunter x Hunter 1999 and Yu Yu Hakusho are better. 2011 has no style, no authorial voice behind the animation staff, no soul.

>>158839851
Because MUH SASSGAY

>>158839911
>if I put it in these arbitrary boxes I have something positive to say about it
It's budget as fuck. 99 was much better.

>>158839545
i think Skypiea Nami s the best

>>158839319
>>158839502
>niggas dont know that the romance has already happened and still happening because its pretty much the point of One Piece
stop using words incorrectly

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>>158839829
Wtf SaNa is canon now. The autist was right and Oda will add blushes on the volume

>>158839911
Anyone who argues this is a retard. I'd chop my nuts off to get an anime adaptation of OP as good as HxH 2011.

>>158839976
I understand Naruto caring for the sauce.

>>158839908
Not being able to defeat every enemy by yourself isn't a character flaw(unless you're Onii-sama) but Nami is naming things that are flaws in Luffy's character. Stay retarded tho.

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>>158839889
>The problem with One Piece is its terrible world building
stopped reading here. here is your (you)

>>158839998
I'd rather have studio pierrot handle it

>>158839972
>>158839977
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN5nQsUUtE0

>>158839988
>The autist was right and Oda will add blushes on the volume

The guy's a LuNa fag who's trolling anon. As for that image, Nami flirts with Sanji all the time in order to make him do shit, that really isn't off character. Also given the traditional theme, her response is something that a waitress of that era would normally be expected to do, ie. be modest and shy.

>>158840023
Every crewmember has pointed out those flaws. But j guess you don't see those don't you? Stay retarded. Can't wait for your angry tumblr meltdown when you are "letdown"

>>158839894
>I could just be getting too old for this shit though
I feel you. I used to be here every single day, now it's more like once or twice a week at most and I just speedread the threads

>>158839998
The worst part is that even a Kai won't save it because the base product is terrible. There is nothing to salvage. Why don't the elevens speak up about it?

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>TFW BigMeme is going down this arc.

The butthurt here is gonna be amazing.

>>158840207

lol already, isn't she a yonkou? 4 of the strongest pirates in the world?

>>158840244
>lol

Man, I fucking hate summer.

>>158840255
>linked anon supports your autism posting
>still doesn't match up with your delusions properly so you still find something to nitpick about
You really are something else.

>>158840255
There is such thing as nuance anon.

>>158840067
How does that compare with real cinema?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvNUkqHni6o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i99EXTKcNx0

>>158840244
She's just an overgrown fatass who sits around all day and eats sweets and her children. She's such a weak (((Yonko))) that she has to grovel and rape men into alliances just so her shitty territory doesn't fall apart. While REAL Yonko like Whitebeard, Kaido and Shanks were going up against the very strongest BigMeme was strugggling on the toilet trying to shit out yesterday's sweets. Only reason she never got injured is cause her cannibal face never had the opportunity to meat Whitebeard's fist. She's gonna job so hard that the word jobbing will be synoymous with BigMeme and her failure will inspire countless threads of shitposting.

So yeah, she's about to get BTFO

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>>158836239
O MY BIRD CAGE.

KILL THE CITIZENS SO I MAY FIGHT LAW AND THE RUBBER MAN

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>>158840436
Big Meme is going to get BTFO so hard the entirety of the Big Mom pirates will end up in Luffy's crew.

>people have died waiting for one piss to end

>>158840478
Does he even need to fight Shanks? Does Shanks even care about being pirate king?

>>158840532
Luffy is still asspained Shanks wouldn't take him on his crew so he has to kick his ass before giving him the hat so he'll regret it.

>>158836239
Yeah but do you remember when luffy got up from Lucci's most powerful attack for the third time and used gear second on top of it? I mean fuck I have not even seen HxH but that shit was an undeniable aspull.

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>>158840451
>birdcage
newfag spotted

>>158840641

Nakama power

>>158840067
This really isn't that impressive. That dog face is meme worthy.

>>158840398
Kurapika was my first crush

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What did he mean by this?

What's the D's connection to the weather?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI1cXfp8vjM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV3KJw4rDXo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNRvpLgUjSk

>>158840641
Remember that One Piece is a comedy.

>>158840727
Surely that moment was funny as fuck. Got me laughing for years in the most suspenseful part of the arc.

>>158840663
Exactly

I haven't read One Piece in years. Why is there so much shipping faggotry in One Piece threads nowadays?

>>158840641
Not an asspull. He just toughed it out. An asspull would be if he got back up, an decided to "USE THAT".

>>158840747
my favorite part will forever be ace's death. Oda is a comedic genius

>>158840787

He was near dead and he magically got back up.

>>158840783
Naruto and Bleach ended. Fans of those series came over here, and then just regular shitposters who want attention.

>>158840783
I'm assuming it's women that don't understand the appeal of one piece but know the threads are popular so use it to gain attention so they read one piece without understanding it and just self-insert as an actual attractive woman.

tl;dr talking about shippers is just as bad. Please don't do this.

>>158840796
That was funny as three thousand fucks, but that's not even the peak of Oda's comedic genious. Remember Whitebeard's death? That shit was so unexpected.

Gintama my ass One Piece is where real comedy its at.

>>158840783
Started out as ironic shitposting. And is now unironic.

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What's the biggest asspull Oda did?

Hard Mode: No Gears

>>158840783
The current arc was involves Sanji being forced to marry Big Mom's daughter. Shippers hear that and go crazy.

>>158840863
>Remember Whitebeard's death
No?

>>158840818
He didn't magically get back up. He did it through force of will and determination. Generic hero stuff. Not like a fairy popped up and healed him you know? Not saying its good even though I liked it, but its not an asspull.

>>158840823
As if Naruto fans would ever settle for an inferior product like One Piece. The anime is trash and the manga is only slightly better.

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>>158836368
10/10

>>158840877
This was just a play on Enel's resurrection scene.

>>158840787
>>158840818
It would be ok, but he literally was not able to get back up from the second attack. The fact he got up from that one was cheap, but a tiny bit forgivable. The fact he was at the verge of passing out and magically uses gear 2nd and thoughed it out may not be an asspull by definition, but it sure is cheap as a white slave.

>>158840877
Why would gears even be considered asspulls?

>>158840907
>He didn't magically get back up.
>He did it through force of will and determination.

So, he used the power of plot to get up from an attack that clearly finished him.

>>158840910
>One Piece
>Inferior to Naruto

Maybe in regards to the anime buy the One Piece manga knocks Naruto out of the park.

>>158840885
No wonder you think Ace's death is the peak of comedy in One Piece

>>158840955
it undeniably is

>>158840877
No. That is somewhat believable and wasn't that big a deal when Doffy was beaten later anyways.
Zoro's 9 sword style is the biggest asspull.
The gears actually have some thought into them (even if it's incredibly unrealistic) so I don't mind them but they are definitely asspulls.

>>158840949
>it's the op is better than naruto meme
kill yourself

>>158840941
May I add, it already finished him the second time Lucci did it.

>>158840974
>Zoro's 9 sword style is the biggest asspull.

Yes, this so much.

why didn't whitebeard use his power to heal the wounds of his crew?

>>158840877
Gears is using Luffy's body in a way which gives him advantage. It is not an asspull by any means, if anything, its the most acceptable type of transformation from most shonen. Since it doesnt involve "muh ki just got boosted as fuck lol"

>>158840974
>>158841018
I feel like Oda knows Asura was a huge mistake and that't why it barely show's up.

>>158841025
So now Whitebeard has the power to heal people. What the fuck man.

>>158841030

You're a retard. He just blows air into is shit and becomes suped up. How is that acceptable? And, he uses some bullshit energy later on with Haki anyway.

>>158840974
How are gears asspulls? Also I really don't think Asura is actually Zoro using 9 swords. I think its a visual metaphor.

>>158841057
vibrations man, I don't think anything of significance to an organism without them.

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SaNa train is going fast as fuck.

>>158841045
Better that way. What the fuck was he thinking honestly, even diable jamble makes more sense in One Piece's silly context. What the fuck was that shit Naruto or some shit. Hidden demon my ass get that out of here

>>158841093
>Also I really don't think Asura is actually Zoro using 9 swords. I think its a visual metaphor.

A visual metaphor that oneshots kaku and ripped through his attack? What?

>>158841095
can happen*

>>158841045
Yea. I think it's only been used twice. Against Kaku and the Pacifista on Sabaody.
I still don't know which would rub me the wrong way more. No explanation of it, just completely forget about it and it never shows up in the story, or some bullshit convoluted explanation for it.

>>158841081
He's also made of rubber you going to complain about that too? Its cartoon logic.

>>158841081
I mean it did make sense with gear 3rd and 2nd. Gear 4th makes muscles bigger, so the impact is bigger.

He uses his gummy gigantic muscles to charge up his punches so when they come out they have more impact, like a spring. Not that hard to understand man come on

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HOW MUCH LONGER TILL SPOILERS?!!! I CANT TAKE IT ANYMOREEEEEEEE!!!!!!

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

why do shipperfags ruin everything?

>>158841159

No, but don't act as if that shit is some well thought out masterpiece like you godafags tend to do.

>>158841045
It showed up like twice, didn't it? First time was against Kaku and 2nd time I believe it was against Pica?

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kidd brings down the sun when?

>>158841167

I didn't say it was hard to understand, though. I said why is it more acceptable to blow air from your thumb to your arm, but less acceptable to use magic Chinese energy? Like the faggot poster I responded to said??

Report and hide people, report and hide.

>>158841228
Because magic chinesse energy is never introduced in One Piece at that point. Luffy using his gum propierties to his advantage is, and through the whole series.

>>158841118
Zoro does that all the time though. Dude just gets stronger when he needs to. Enemy gets that shit pushed in so hard its like they're fighting someone with 9 swords and 3 heads is how I always saw it.

>>158841250
Report and hide what, exactly, anon-kun-chan-sama-sensei?

>>158841196
I don't see what you're arguing about then. If it makes sense in the context of the setting/story why is it an asspull?

>>158841228
>>158841281

Ki/Chi/Haki is used in almost every shounen and it being introduced shouldnt have been surprising. Its a huge part of asian culture. I really dont see how Haki is a meme power, its been used pretty creatively by Oda.

>>158841281

It doesn't matter, the point is how is blowing air into your arm like popeye more acceptable than energy bullshit? I prefer the simple devil fruit abilities pre-haki rubber too, but it isn't really any more or less acceptable.

>>158841338
>its been used pretty creatively by Oda.

Jesus Christ you fanboys are will eat whatever Oda shits out? I'm so glad I dropped this garbage series.

Sanji is a shit character. He deserves to die a lonely virgin.

>>158841338
Most fights are a competition to see which haki is stronger now tho

>>158841337

It's on the same level as what that faggot was deriding.

>>158841387
t. Asspained Zorofag
Sanji is a more believable character and deserves to live with what he pulls from the jaws of fate.

>>158841398
Oda never should have had Zoro say that shit about MUH HAKI IS STRONGER THAN YOUR HAKI that was such a fucking mistake. I get that he was trying to show that Zoro can use haki now but it cheapened it for him to say that.

>>158841298

Something happening all the time doesn't make it good though. This was worst because there's no explanation of how it works, not even a pseudo-explanation.

>>158836239
The MC is RUBBER NEN.

>>158841367
Why do you think its not? Having it seperated into categories and making Conquerors haki unique is relatively uncommon. Dont blame me for not actively looking for faults, at least I can enjoy the manga without being a complete autist.

>>158841398
Besides Vergo, I dont really see how most fights are about Haki now. Doffy v Luffy was just as more about their fruits than just haki. Same with Cracker v Luffy. Most major fights now aren't haki slugouts.

I want to cum iinside Killua

>>158841457
>Why do you think its not?

Can't prove a negative. Explain how it's creative since you're claiming it is. Because it's no different than the garbage found in any generic shounen, you're kidding yourself if you don't think so.

>>158841457
>Having it seperated into categories

That's literally so common in battle manga.
even fucking Naruto did this, c'mon.

>>158837340
Sanji c u c k e d yet again

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>>158841531
Just wait until jump fixes our SaNami moment in the full volume, L*N*kek.

>>158841339
Because One Piece is half a gag manga. That makes sense here. It would be different if this was a realistic martial arts manga then all of a sudden the characters start shooting lasers out of their eyes, and summoning energy from the underworld. Context is key.
>>158841398
Besides Vergo what other fight? Zoro vs Pica? I feel like people misunderstand what was going on. It wasn't necessarily about having stronger Haki, but actually being able to cut him. By having tougher Haki than Pica Zoro was able to cut him without breaking his shit.

>>158841367
>I'm afraid of argument. No one should respond to me when I make a statement ever. REEEEEEEE

What else can be said? It's evident enough with how Luffy utilized Haki to come up with Gear 4th that Haki can be used creatively. If you don't want to have people challenge your opinion, then go to echo chamber hugbox like tumblr. And huge chance that you dropped it before Gear 4th, hence your complaint. I also don't see the point of posting in One Piece thread if you have "dropped this garbage series", and since you've made your mind and concluded that the series is "garbage", I don't know what else can try to convince you otherwise, you're most likely just blinded with hate and think "everything in One Piece is shit. No exceptions hurrr duuurrrr!".

>>158841398
>Most
Aside from Zoro vs Pica, I don't see wherever else where that was the case.

>>158841575

So, being a gag manga means you can go half-mast on concepts because it's just a gag? Literally, retard logic. You can't introduce a shitty and generic energy system and then when you ask for an explanation you respond "Well, it's a gag manga" fuck off.

MONET LIVES

>>158841492
Just did. Unlike most applications of Chi/Ki, Haki is seperated into different categories which are completely different than simple "force power". Armament haki is used as a device to counter DF users and can toughen the user. Observation Haki can be used to sense and in high enough applications can be used to predict the future, which gives explanation of fortune telling in OP. And finally conquerors haki is unlike most applications of chi elsewhere because the user is able to dominate others through will alone. That is different from the chi/ki uses we've had in other manga so far.

Sure it's not a completely unoriginal idea but its a shounen manga, what did you expect? We needed some sort of counter to DF powers to explain why characters like Garp, Shanks, and Mihawk can hold their ground so it was a needed power.

Still dont get the butthurt over it, just seems like people wanna get mad over nothing to prove that they are somehow "smarter" reader.

>>158836239

Superior... at sucking dick

>>158841636
And don't forget that Observation Haki can be used to see long distance, like how Usopp developed one when he was sniping Sugar.

>>158841595
>What else can be said? It's evident enough with how Luffy utilized Haki to come up with Gear 4th that Haki can be used creatively.

It's creative because it was used in a retarded power up?

>If you don't want to have people challenge your opinion, then go to echo chamber hugbox like tumblr.

Why would I need to go to Tumblr to call out a retarded mechanic in a manga?

>I also don't see the point of posting in One Piece thread if you have "dropped this garbage series", and since you've made your mind and concluded that the series is "garbage", I don't know what else can try to convince you otherwise, you're most likely just blinded with hate and think "everything in One Piece is shit. No exceptions hurrr duuurrrr!".

This isn't OPG though. Another manga, which I read is being discussed and compared. I don't care that you like Haki or like OP, just don't lie please and try to convince people that Haki is "Thought out". We all know it's not.

>>158841668
>>158836239
Fuck OP for having such a garbage title as /opg/ dealing with butthurt HXH fags is always cancer.

Yeah I get it you like your manga a lot. We like our manga too, no one wants to get into a pointless argument cause such a debate can never be resolved.

>>158841636

So, it can conveniently be used to counter the powers that have been prominent through most of the series. Wow, that doesn't sound like a plot device, especially against Logias which luffy stood no chance against minus the convenient ones like Enel. It's amazing how Haki came right in the nick of time.

You're right, it is different. It's basically 1/2 anti-logia mechanic topped with nonsense sensing ability. Oda also tried to link it to older powers like mantra to make it seem he had Haki planned all along.

>>158841081
>How is that acceptable
Because considering the nature of his body that is made of rubber, it makes sense and it's explained thoroughly in the manga.

>>158841492
>Haki is bullshit energy!
>Why do you think so?
>Can't prove a negative because I say so lol

You made the claim. Burden of proof is on you. And Haki is not an energy, it doesn't run out. It's not a finite energy with a sizable amount like Ki/Reiki/Reiatsu/Furyoku or whatever else. It's an ability. Do Stand owners ever run out of "Stand energy"? They don't, becaue Stand energy doesn't exist.

>>158841636
>Still dont get the butthurt over it, just seems like people wanna get mad over nothing to prove that they are somehow "smarter" reader.

Yet, you're arguing that it's actually smart series despite saying something like that?

>>158841765
>Because considering the nature of his body that is made of rubber, it makes sense and it's explained thoroughly in the manga.

How does being made of rubber mean you can blow air from your fingers? Wut?

>You made the claim. Burden of proof is on you. And Haki is not an energy, it doesn't run out. It's not a finite energy with a sizable amount like Ki/Reiki/Reiatsu/Furyoku or whatever else. It's an ability. Do Stand owners ever run out of "Stand energy"? They don't, becaue Stand energy doesn't exist.

It doesn't even have an explanation, it's just the power of what's convenient for the user. We all know Oda wrote Haki in so Luffy could fight OP DF users convincingly. Because he wrote himself into a corner.

>>158841735
>>158841781
>seem he had Haki planned all along.
Of course he wants us to have the impression. If he didnt then the story wouldn't be coherent and connected. I dont really care that he came up with the idea later on, I'm sure HXH introduced concepts that the author had not originally thought of. Thats not a negative.

However, Oda actually took the time and autism to make sure the power fit in with the story so people don't lose their immersion. Nothing wrong with that. Again, I dont get the anger.

>>158841781
>actually smart series
Never said that and you're putting words into my mouth. I get that you dont like OP and prefer HXH but none of the points you mentioned actually are negatives to the vast majority of readers. Why do butthurt readers of other manga have to be so intent on proving their superiority? Its just manga and entertainment after all.

So is fishman island basically kill whitey the arc?

>>158841668
>Was used in a retarded power-up
No. Haki was used to COME UP with the power up. Without the hardening that Armamaent Haki provides, Luffy wouldn't be able to increase the elasticity of his body. That's the whole point of Gear 4th.

>Why would I need to got to tumblr
Because you just called someone who disagrees with you a fanboy in an overreacting manner.

>Haki is "thought out"
It's been introduced since many volumes ago way before the time skip. And considering the ambitious and strong-willed nature of One Piece characters, it's a power system that fits the universe.

>We all know it's not
Speak for yourself.

>>158841848
>However, Oda actually took the time and autism to make sure the power fit in with the story so people don't lose their immersion. Nothing wrong with that. Again, I dont get the anger.

It doesn't fit the story, though. Majority of OP was DF and the thing about DF is that they were set in stone. You couldn't change them, whatever power you got you were stuck with. Then suddenly some massive magic power that can even the odds? That's not an asspull to you?

>>158841859
>It's been introduced since many volumes ago way before the time skip. And considering the ambitious and strong-willed nature of One Piece characters, it's a power system that fits the universe.

Please tell me you're one of those retards who believes when Shanks scared away the King of the coast and saved luffy he was using Haki.

>No. Haki was used to COME UP with the power up.

So, what? How does that make it smart, because it can rationalize bullshit power ups? Because that's all it's being used for 24/7. There's nothing smart about it.

>>158841848
>Never said that and you're putting words into my mouth.

You said:
>>158841636
>just seems like people wanna get mad over nothing to prove that they are somehow "smarter" reader.

So, why are you arguing that it's actually smart in the first place?

>>158841890
>Some massive magic power that can even the odds? That's not an asspull to you?

Its not because Haki is extremely rare in any area NOT the New World. Conquerors Haki was introduced in the first chapter, mantra back in skypiea, and armament with Garp. Oda just hadn't given names to those things and called it Haki yet. I'm not saying there are no asspulls in One Piece(gears, asura, diable jiambe) but Haki was foreshadowed. I dont read HXH but I'm sure your author has included quite a share of asspulls as well, and that didn't stop you from loving the story.

>>158841933
Obviously Shanks scaring the monster was not originally Haki but Enel reading Luffy's moves and Garp and other characters being able to hurt luffy with blunt attacks was foreshadowing for Haki.

>>158841611
So your complaints are with Haki? What do you have a problem with?

>>158841970
>just seems like people wanna get mad over nothing to prove that they are somehow "smarter" reader.

Never said it was smart. I said that you were giving me the impression that you thought you were a "smarter" reader for not enjoying Haki and gears,etc. I'm not arguing it was smart, I'm implying that you think you're somehow a superior manga reader for not enjoying OP.

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>>158836368
Jesus Christ, this is the best thing I've seen relating to One Piece in a long time.

>>158841972
>Conquerors Haki was introduced in the first chapter

No, it wasn't. Shanks just scared King of the coast away. There's no proof he was using Haki, you retards try so hard to link it when it shows none of the signs (King of the coast did not faint or foam at the mouth)

>>158841988

And, that's the problem. Anything is Haki, because it's vague enough to connect it to any phenomena in the series. I've seen people argue Zoro's Shishi sonson is Haki. It has no parameters, it's a bunch of random things with no actual relationship other than being rubber-stamped as being part of the same parcel.

>>158842030

I don't understand how I gave you that impression. This whole debate started because someone implied luffy blowing air into his arm and making it bigger is much more acceptable than magic energy system.

>>158841817
>It doesn't even have an explanation
Did you even read the last chapter right before the time skip where Rayleigh explains everything?

>How does being made of rubber mean you can blow air from your fingers? Wut?
I'm really thinking hard on how to explain to you the nature of goofiness in One Piece where a rubber man makes his body parts bigger by blowing his finger is acceptable without you being a cocky ass who responds with something along the lines of "HURRR OF COURSE EVERYTHING CAN JUST BE EXPLAINED WITH 'LEL IT'S JUST FICTION IT'S JUST BEING FUNNY/GOOFY, IT'S A GAG/COMEDY LEL WAN PISS FAG'", but seems like the entire tone of One Piece goes over your head.

>it's just the power of what's convenient for the user.
Luffy got injured while in Gear 4th against Big Mom's commander. It's not at all convenient and all powerful hax. Of course you wouldn't know this considering you dropped the manga.

>We all know Oda wrote Haki in so Luffy could fight OP DF users convincingly
There were non DF users introduced way early in the series such as Mihawk people wondered how they go toe-to-toe with Logia users. Haki, the power that has been introduced, is the answer. Oda wouldn't introduce non-Logias who have their names heard around the world if they can't hold off against a Logia.
>Because he wrote himself into a corner.
So the many many volumes and chapters when Haki was shown beforehand don't count somehow? It's natural for the crew to learn Haki in timeskip considering they were about to enter the strongest sea.

>>158842063
I get what you're trying to say but like I said >>158841848, at least Oda made it fit into the story in a coherent way despite your or mine disagreements over whether it was foreshadowing or not. Again I never read HXH but I'm sure it has its share of asspulls which I hope some anons here can point out. But despite those asspulls you are still able to enjoy reading it and thats all that matters for readers of both mangas.
>>158842096
>Jesus Christ you fanboys are will eat whatever Oda shits out? I'm so glad I dropped this garbage series

This gave me the impression.

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>>158841933
No. Mantra in Skypiea and Shanks meeting with Whitebeard.

>So, what? How does that make it smart
Did you even read past the part you greentexted?

>>158842063
>Oda wrote himself into a corner!
>Provided with evidence that there were preceding events tat showed Haki
>HURRR SEE? EVERYTHING IS HAKI!
Rayleigh said it out loud that Observation Haki is known as Mantra in Sky Island.

>There's no proof he was using Haki
If that scene didn't exist, you would call Shanks usage of Haki in his meeting with Whitebeard as "asspull".

>>158842129
>There were non DF users introduced way early in the series such as Mihawk people wondered how they go toe-to-toe with Logia users. Haki, the power that has been introduced, is the answer. Oda wouldn't introduce non-Logias who have their names heard around the world if they can't hold off against a Logia.

When did Mihawk fight a logia user to become famous? What are you talking about? Mihawk was famous because of his swordsmanship and he was strong. His reputation when he was introduced had nothing to do with beating logias FFS.

>So the many many volumes and chapters when Haki was shown beforehand don't count somehow? It's natural for the crew to learn Haki in timeskip considering they were about to enter the strongest sea.

In otherwords it's necessary for plot progression and is thus a plot device. cool.

>Luffy got injured while in Gear 4th against Big Mom's commander. It's not at all convenient and all powerful hax. Of course you wouldn't know this considering you dropped the manga.

Who cares? In the long run is luffy at a disadvantage for using Haki? Obviously not.

>Did you even read the last chapter right before the time skip where Rayleigh explains everything?

TL: Read the manga, So, you can't make sense of it. Gotcha.

>>158842202

Okay, fair enough. I agree.

>>158842218
>If that scene didn't exist, you would call Shanks usage of Haki in his meeting with Whitebeard as "asspull".

Bullshit, because when they met the translations at the time translated Haki. I figured they had some power going on, but whatever.

>Rayleigh said it out loud that Observation Haki is known as Mantra in Sky Island.

Yes, Oda rubber stamped Mantra into the Haki parcel. I'm not disputing that. But, Haki can be linked to anything because the nature of the power is whatever Oda needs for the plot. It has no characteristics that identify it on it's own without Oda telling the reader that it's Haki.

>>158842205
no seriously. Where did he go?

>>158842218

So, Oda having Rayleigh say "Hey, remember that obscure power from Skypiea. . .Yeah, that's Haki" is proof Oda was such a master craftsmen that he planned it all along? Beautiful

>>158842227
>When did Mihawk fight a logia user to become famous? What are you talking about? Mihawk was famous because of his swordsmanship and he was strong. His reputation when he was introduced had nothing to do with beating logias
Holy shit, how can one miss the point this hard? Listen, there are strong non-DF users in One Piece, and Oda would not introduce them as well-known powerhouse if they can't handle different types of opponents, especially DF users, and prominently of the logia type since generally you can't hurt them without Armament Haki. How do they handle a DF-user, especially Logias? Haki. Mihawk wouldn't become the best swordsman who can go toe-to-toe with all the monsters with DF in the New World if he can't use Haki. Same goes to other powerhouse that were introduced pre New World, such as Garp, Shanks, and others.
>FFS.
Oh, you're not from around here, huh?
>Who cares? In the long run is luffy at a disadvantage for using Haki? Obviously not.
You: "I've made a statement!"
Me: "Here's why you are wrong"
You: "Who cares?"

Do you even listen to yourself?

>TL: Read the manga, So, you can't make sense of it. Gotcha.
Jesus fucking fuck. This is the hardest backpedaling I've ever seen. If you don't even bother to read the manga, then don't act like you know shit.

>>158842227
You need reading comprehension. People wondered how non-devil fruit users could compete with devil fruit users. What if there was a logia swordsmen? Or if Mihawk were up against Buggy, how could Mihawk have beaten him, without some kind of counter to the devil fruit ability.
>In otherwords it's necessary for plot progression and is thus a plot device. cool
Everything is a plot device you mong. Oda at least had the foresight to foreshadow or at least uses things that were previously unexplained to his advantage.
>Who cares? In the long run is luffy at a disadvantage for using Haki? Obviously not
No, but now people who aren't swordsman or have a devil fruit can go toe-to-toe with Luffy.

>>158842425
>Holy shit, how can one miss the point this hard? Listen, there are strong non-DF users in One Piece, and Oda would not introduce them as well-known powerhouse if they can't handle different types of opponents,especially DF users, and prominently of the logia type since generally you can't hurt them without Armament Haki. How do they handle a DF-user, especially Logias? Haki. Mihawk wouldn't become the best swordsman who can go toe-to-toe with all the monsters with DF in the New World if he can't use Haki. Same goes to other powerhouse that were introduced pre New World, such as Garp, Shanks, and others.

Except that Mihawk exsisted before any of those characters. Not that it matters, that's on him for being a retard and introducing op characters that require you to add a shitty expansion to deal with. You're logic is ass backwards, something being necessary doesn't make it good retarded. I know it's necessary because of the way Oda made his story that just proves my point that it's a plot device. Cry moar faggot.

>>158842322
>>158842292
In the same arc, Gun Fall said that Roger has the ability to hear the voice of all things. Oda made the explanation of Mantra to be mysterious and connected to the Pirate King so he could do an explanation later on. This is fucking basic storytelling, it's called foreshadowing.

And later on, Rayleigh, Roger's right hand man, gave an infodump on Haki. The wait was paid off.

>Hmph, yeah man, Oda is such a master craftsmen who planned things all along pfffft heh, Beautiful heh heh
You could do without the snarky asshat tone.

gangster gastino confirmed for nakama

>>158842469
>You need reading comprehension. People wondered how non-devil fruit users could compete with devil fruit users. What if there was a logia swordsmen? Or if Mihawk were up against Buggy, how could Mihawk have beaten him, without some kind of counter to the devil fruit ability.

So, it's a plot device

>Everything is a plot device you mong.

Literrally shit taster.

I prefer shippers to this shitty HXH vs OP conversation. Please come back shipperfags!!

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>>158842560
This. It couldn't be more obvious. I can't wait to have his antics become a recurring element of the manga.

>>158842559

How does having one power imply a connection to another? Haki is so ambiguous you could connect it to anything which many people have. Here's a better question, what isn't Haki in OP? Because every non-DF user seems to be Haki now. Guess Rokushiki is Haki too since how else could you explain it amirite?

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>>158842560
>>158842604
WRONG!!!

JIMBE PEDRO PUDDING CONFIRMED FOR NEXT NAKAMA

>>158842559
>Oda made the explanation of Mantra to be mysterious

All powers can be described as mysterious. Saying something is mysterious just makes it open to interpretation and in Haki's case massive interpretation to the point it can move the plot forward without having any real idea what it does. Haki has got to be the stupidest battle shounen power I've ever seen. Irrespective of whether you like One Piece or not if you can't admitt to that then you're probably far gone.

haha seriously though how is luffy going to get out of this situation, he can't just punch his way out can he

>>158836368
11/10

>>158842685

>can he

>>158836323
Asspull/10

>>158842604

only consistent strawhat to pull the keks every chapter

>>158836323
Gear 4 is awesome.

>>158842576
Yes. It's a plot device. Like literally everything that is used to move the plot forward. The problem becomes if a plot device is contrived enough to cause you to lose your suspension of disbelief. Calling something a plot device isn't a criticism. It's just stating a fact. You seem to think a "plot device" is a buzzword for bad writing, but that's not the case. Plot devices are a technique for writers to use.

>>158842536
Garp existed after Logia. So did the CP9.

>that's on him for being a retard and introducing op characters that require you to add a shitty expansion to deal with
Powerful characters and a mysterious power system that were introduced way long before they became common turn out to complement each other and are connected. Sounds like a good setting up that paid off to me.
>something being necessary doesn't make it good
It's not about "being necessary", it's about "making sense", which Haki is the latter.
>I know it's necessary because of the way Oda made his story that just proves my point that it's a plot device
Not anyone else' fault you can't pay attention enough and make the connection.
>Waaahhh I'm losing this argument, better throw insults
Cry moar, faggot.

>>158842576
No, it's an explanation.

>>158842606
>what isn't Haki in OP?
Kinemon, Half of Luffy's crew, half of the fighters in Colosseum, fishmen.

>>158842767
>Garp existed after Logia. So did the CP9.

People who we weren't talking about

>Powerful characters and a mysterious power system that were introduced way long before they became common turn out to complement each other and are connected. Sounds like a good setting up that paid off to me.

Sounds to me like you're a retard. Can you tell me what non DF power Haki can't be linked too? Given it's unpinnable nature I'd wager there is none.

>Not anyone else' fault you can't pay attention enough and make the connection.

The connection requires no thought. What exactly makes Haki distinct enough that you can pull it out of a crowd of powers? Answer is nothing. It's an ambigous use when needed bullshit device.

>Greentexting
Concession accepted fagrag.

>>158842606
>How does having one power imply a connection to another? Haki is so ambiguous you could connect it to anything which many people have. Here's a better question, what isn't Haki in OP? Because every non-DF user seems to be Haki now. Guess Rokushiki is Haki too since how else could you explain it amirite?
You're retarded. Rokushiki isn't haki because it doesn't fit into the rules haki was given too by Rayleigh or literally anything we have seen from haki users.. Rokushiki is just some martial art trained into marines and Cipher Pol members.
Haki isn't ambiguous, there are clearly defined rules to it. Just because some retards argue Zoro's shishi sonson is Haki doesn't mean it's ambiguous.

>>158842767
>No, it's an explanation.

You just said why it was needed, how does that make it good?

>>158838579
NamivHancock for Luffybowl is gonna be awesome. Used to think that it was fairly obvious that Hancock would end up with Luffy but after rereading the manga Nami is a far better choice and I definitely think Oda will head in that direction. She's the only woman so far who has been able to remotely control him so far and make sure he doesn't get himself killed whereas Hancock would let him do whatever he pleased and that is a boring relationship. She's his perfect foil in that she can take care of day-to-day life and finances and make sure that Luffy doesn't die broke and hungry. Also Luffy doesn't seem like the type of guy to stop adventuring so and I doubt he would want anyone but Nami to be his navigator. In return Luffy would continue to protect Nami and make sure she's always happy(like he promised Nami's father figure--Genma). Overall it's a very sweet romance and Oda seems to be heading in that direction. Who knew he had the ability to craft a decent romance?

>>158842854

So, where are the rules and characteristics that prove it cannot be Haki? In your ass?

>>158842760

It's an abusable plot device because it has no clear interpretation and is open to whatever the author needs it to be which makes it abusable. How is that good?

>>158842685
Its really something isn't it. I'm legit stumped. The only thing I can think of is the germa clone army.

>>158842876
>>158842760
You fags are thinking too hard about this shit. Who cares? If you enjoy the manga good for you and if you dont you can fuck off. All of your arguments are subjective and no one will ever win it.

>>158842854
>Just because some retards argue Zoro's shishi sonson is Haki doesn't mean it's ambiguous.

So, if Oda said it was Haki then how would you tell it was intended to be in the first place? It's completely random what is Haki and what is not. You're deluded if you think otherwise.

Generals were a mistake.

>>158842748
No its an asspull. Stop liking things nerd.

>>158842866
All Luffy wants is to be free. Why would he want to be with a woman who can control him?

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>>158842933
I dont care about that stuff, I like the design and think the power is cool.

>>158842958
>All Luffy wants is to be free. Why would he want to be with a woman who can control him?

Cause love is give and take. And Luffy doesn't really mind that Nami controls him cause he lets her do so. She is allowed to control him. Just think its a far better and more nuanced relationship than LuBo

>>158838579
How could Luffy possibly end up with Hancock? The moment he falls in love with her, she will turn him into stone.
For Luffy, it's either Nami or nobody I'd say.

>>158842205
>>158842301
wano kuni

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>>158842958
Luffy knows he's fucked without Nami. At this point she is constantly wiping his ass and making sure he has enough food to eat. Read the part where they land on chocolate island, he doesn't even buy things without her permission.

Also you guys better be careful or the sweetie poster will be extra triggered when she wakes up from bedtime.

>>158842673
You seem to misinterpret the part you greentexted. Oda made, past tense, MADE the explanation mysterious so he could do a full explanation later on, which he did, through Rayleigh. He introduced Haki in Skypiea as Mantra, but what Mantra actually is became a plot point as not only it wasn't fully known what it was, but it also has a connection with Roger's power to "hear the voice of all things". And then Rayleigh infodumped us regarding Haki. Therefore, paid off foreshadowing.

>without having any real idea what it does
Chapter 597.

>Haki has got to be the stupidest battle shonen power I've ever seen
Strengthening your attack and defense, predict your opponents' attacks, and intimidate your opponents (of the cannon fodder level). Wow, never seen powers like those in battle shonen manga before, so stupid, amirite?

>>158842837
>we weren't talking about
I did mention Garp. And Garp, Shanks, and others, actually including DF users as well, serve as examples of strong characters that you might wonder how would they fare against Logia if they are so strong to the point of well known.

>Can you tell me what non DF power Haki can't be linked too?
Rokushiki and Shishi Sonson.
>The connection requires no thought
You definitely don't think at all.
>It's an ambigous use when needed bullshit device
It's a reasonable power that fits the universe and has been shown and built on beforehand.
>Concession accepted fagrag.
How dare someone call you out for acting like an edgy faggot, amirite? And since you threw out insult first, that's a sign of running out of arguments, you conceded first, fagrag.

>>158842856
>How does that make it good?
By showcasing the power of the top players and how they handle DF users, especially logias?

>>158842998
>You seem to misinterpret the part you greentexted. Oda made, past tense, MADE the explanation mysterious so he could do a full explanation later on

You can't prove he purposefully made the connection mysterious. That's your opinion, it could also be there is no connection until he made one later. That's pure speculation.

>Chapter 597.

Doesn't say anything next

>Strengthening your attack and defense, predict your opponents' attacks, and intimidate your opponents (of the cannon fodder level). Wow, never seen powers like those in battle shonen manga before, so stupid, amirite?

No, I have seen them. So, why would it need an entire system named and branded attached to it?

>>158843002
I dont think he will. Just didn't want LuBo shippers to feel neglected cause I think they will get their moments.

>>158843002
Its also important to note Hancock has a really, really shitty personality. She's only goes kyaa kyaa and is friendly to Luffy. Otherwise she's literally punting baby animals and being a total bitch.

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>>158836684
>expects realistic physics in a manga
>expects realistic physics in a manga created by a guy who probably knows jack shit about physics past "lol rubber is an electric insulator xdddd"
>expects realistic physics in a manga with magic fruits and superhuman strength and slingshots outranging rifles

>>158836368
A few things you could add
>aww, sweetie
>She's doing it for HIM
>YES YES YES

4 DAYS AND 20 HOURS UNTIL SPOILERS

>>158843032
>Rokushiki and Shishi Sonson.

Based on what?

>You definitely don't think at all.

You haven't proven anything. So, I really don't have to argue much.

>It's a reasonable power that fits the universe and has been shown and built on beforehand.
The connections are tenuous at best. I mean even within the system, what does armament and being able to predict movement have in common that they need an umbrella term? It's not like luffy's rubber and is ability to stretch or take damage. There's nothing connecting the two.

>How dare someone call you out for acting like an edgy faggot, amirite? And since you threw out insult first, that's a sign of running out of arguments, you conceded first, fagrag.

It's obvious you're anal pained about being called out for being a retard. I don't care who insulted who first, you're fag through and through based soley on the fact you argue like one. Please, cut you balls off so we have less retards like you and jump out the nearest window post haste so we have less of you. What a waste of life, christ.