What's the best manga story wise? >Ichi the Killer >Kokou

The only two I know is Dorehedoro and Akira.
Dorehedororo dtill hasn't revealed the main plot as far as I know.
And akira its more like a "one moment" story, perfect for a movie but not really that great

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Is it bad that Kakihara is my husbando?

Yotsubato and YKK

>no kingdom

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>answering the anon from the 404'd thread

>>158416655
Kingdom is shit, anon. If a manga needs more than 12 volumes to tell its story that means it's shit or not worth someones time.

>>158416787
The story was there since chapter 1 so i dont know what the fuck are you saying

>>158416629
Yes, you degenerate

>>158416527
>remaking the not-so-veiled thread from earlier slightly differently in the hopes the mods won't delete it
Good luck, I guess. Anyway, like >>158416690 , I was in the process of replying about Homunculus, but I didn't save mine and I'm not retyping the whole thing. Basically, I thought it should have been pared down to 2/3 the length, focused on MC, the doctor, and that one homeless guy (no yakuza, no sandy teenager, no ex-ugly ex-girlfriend), and tied MC's sanity more directly into the other stuff going on.

>>158416655
>Kingdom
>best story
Definitely fucking not. 90% of Kingdom's appeal is people getting killed.

>>158417740
The fagotry in the end kinda ruined it for me.

>>158417940
Meaning what? The literal faggotry of the doctor, or the whole "now everyone is me and the girl is dead so I drill five holes in my head" shit?

>>158418108
Both.

>>158416527
Unironically One Piece

>>158416595
you know wrong , they are fighting the final bad guy at the moment (dorohedoro)

>>158416527
Blame

I agree with Ichi the killer , dorohedoro, Akira , nausicaa and soil having really great, developed, complex engrossing plots, for at least a large part of their total length.

I don't agree with homuncukus, freesia or blame though. Haven't read the others. Freesia had a slice-of-life abd episodic plot. Very little overarching structure, intrigue, development within the episodes.
Similar with homuncukus. Both felt aimless.
Blame had a decent plot but not stellar I would say

Other suggestions by me:
Berserk (up until millennium falcon war arc had impeccable plot)
Eden (first 8 volumes had SUBLIME plotting. And still very good by manga standards up to say volume 13)
Ryuguden - extremely well formed story. Intrigue, unexpected development, pathos, catharsis.
Kilico - also effective plot. Achieved remarkable turn around in main characters motivation that actually worked, difficult to pull off.

Naruto actually had very good plotting during the chuunin exam arc , so the first 16 volumes. Very impressive for a shounen manga.

Full metal alchemist has a very developed plot for a shounen manga.

The movie was better.

>>158420952
>friendship power saves the day

>>158416527
>No. 5
Why not №6?

Sangokushi obviously

My favourite manga focus more on character development and atmosphere rather than on the story.
Aku no Hana
Inside Mari
Punpun
Cross Game
Solanin
A Girl on the Shore
Vinland Saga
Shigurui
Onani Master
Chihayafuru
Nana

All very different from each other but I absolutely loved them.

>>158416787
>the unification of china is a shit story
kys

I really like Mafia/political and delinquent story lines so for me sanctuary and sun ken rock were really good reads.

Oyasumi Punpun

>>158421528
t- ching chong

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>No Kurosawa

>no ballroom

>>158416527
>Watashitachi no Shiawase na Jikan
It's embarassing sappy shit

me and the devil blues is great once you get past the first volume

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>>158416527
Ichi was really funny I give you that, is the movie worth watching?

>>158416527
Nice recommendation thread, faggot.

20th Century Boys and Monster? or are they not hipster enough

Long running stuff
Yotsuba
Hinamatsuri

New shit from this past few years
Wave
Dungeon Meshi

Too many shounenshit and survival/death game and it is even getting isekai stuff from LN.

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>>158416527
No Berserk or Vinland saga? OP confirmed retard

>>158416527
>Ichi the Killer
>Homunculus
they were great (also that autistic chapter numbering) What happened to the author? dead?

>>158426225
pre-schierke berserk, you mean

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>>158416527
One Piece

>Dorohedoro
I get more and more lost the more they explain it.

consider the trainwreck and plot development
magi

no vagabond?
I've really enjoyed seeing Musashi grow as a person.

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>>158427710
>tfw you probably won't live to see the end of vagabond

>No Mizukami?
Spirit Circle, Biscuit Hammer and Sengoku Youko

>>158426225
I'd argue that including those is more retarded htan not. They both have abysmal pacing and are beloved for their beginnings more than anything else. Vinland Saga for the last ~50 chapters has just been about a dude and his friends wandering around refusing to fight and miraculously avoiding harm, and is currently being dragged down further by Garm the chuuni faggot. Berserk has been similarly slow and aimless, although not to the same extent.

>>158426225
But Berserk a shit

Teppu is a masterpiece of character writing and there are other aspects of it which are done very well. Natsuo is the most well-written character I know of from anime and manga. Too bad a large majority of consumers of stories can't dig into a story or just don't and judge things mostly on a superficial level, not realizing there's more depth to it. Even then they tend to get things wong, as digging into a story with depth provides a new perspective on things and as such is crucial when judging it. It doesn't help that Teppu is simple in it's presentation and as written before people tend to judge things based on mostly superficial reasons whether subconsciously or not.

>>158431305
I feel like this is a huge exaggeration, but I haven't read Teppu since it ended so there's no way I can debate this properly. Just registering my opinion.

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>>158421324
Because "killer bees" is a stupid threat.

>>158431834
>>158421324
I completely forgot homosexual bee tornadoes existed. What a stupid show.

>>158416527
>Blame!
the story is literally the least good thing about it

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>>158426500
>>158418850

>>158416527
Nausicaa is the only 10/10 manga. Everything about it is pretty much perfect.
Nothing else you mentioned comes even close.

>>158424297
>is the movie worth watching?
I thought it was pretty shitty. One of Miike's worst in my opinion.

>>158418941
I stop reading at the poimt where the girl got kidnapped and alligator got the knife

>>158427710
I miss pre-farming simulator Musashi.

>>158421528
It objectively is.
>balkanization of China never
>that feel
>that awful, horrible feel

>>158431067
Lately Vinland saga has been about Thorifin trying to not fight despite living in a world where literally everyone fights. It's exciting watching him try and and stand by his ideals while also being realistic.

MOTHERFUCKING LEGENDARY KUROSAWA

>>158416527
>Freesia
stop pretending to like this

20th century boys is incredible for the first 2/3rds.

>>158433057
I genuinely like it.

>>158431987
no its pretty incredible, i re-read it every year or so and find new details every time.

>>158432834
That's all well and good as a concept, but the way it's played out has been far from fucking exciting. It's been a lot of preaching and hesitating and smarmy stuff like Hild's dad metaphorically stopping her (and her 11th-century buzzsaws at age 12, holy shit), and I feel like there hasn't been anything major happen, and Yukimura hasn't made this commitment to non-violence actually cost Thorfinn anything more, and so recently we've basically just maintained the status quo while adding party members and going on side quests.

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Shigurui is the best written manga ever.

Not all that surprising given its based on a book.


yeah i read most of OPs list and they cant compete. There is just so much to get out of Shigurui, it not only tells an epic story of ambition, rivalry and revenge but is also a very gritty critique of Japanese society as a whole, not just limited to the feudal society but drawing parallels to modern Japan as well digging pretty deep into the human psyche on the way.

A society of a few sadists and a whole lot of masochists.

This maybe describes the mechanics of authority and obedience we all experience every day the best.

We all got it in us.

>>158433521
>Shigurui is the best written manga ever.

>Not all that surprising given its based on a book.
Stopped reading there.

>>158426225
Plenetes was objectively and subjectively Yukimura's masterpiece.
mostly because he knew when to end it

>>158420926
>Ryuguden
You are my nigga

>>158433521
Rushed to fuck near the end, bunch of characters introduced and nothing comes of it, last fight was like 3 fucking pages and I felt like Irako went down way too easily.

>>158421255
That isn't what happened.

>>158432834
it feels aimless, don't see the point of the series anymore except to promote pacifism

>>158434476
nigga he was blind
he generally won because he was lucky and he really was a one trick pony
when the one armed dude found out his little trick he won

Boku no Pico

>>158432161
The ending was very flawed.

Infact the plot decision to interrupt the war for the giant mold that suddenly ate a continent was an incorrect decision.

Its strengths are so good that it still remains a great manga but it's definitely not flawless or perfect. It could have been better.

>>158433283
>>158435682
Have to disagree with both of you, but then it is only a matter of taste. I absolutely love the later arcs, and find them utterly satisfying.

To each his own I guess!

Bokurano

>>158429411
Go read the book. It's better by miles.

>>158416595
>Dorehedororo dtill hasn't revealed the main plot as far as I know.
It has.
>And akira its more like a "one moment" story, perfect for a movie but not really that great
I thought this, too.

>>158421476
PunPun and Onani Master are both phenomenal. I think I'm the same way, in that I atmosphere and character usually take precedence to story.

I'm gonna namedrop Glaucos since I haven't seen it mentioned very often here. Fantastically atmospheric, especially those last couple of chapters.

Probably Pun Pun in my opinion. It's just a solid, evocative work that always makes me feel like crap reading it

>>158426225
Berserk had some of the best during the Golden Age and Conviction. But it hasn't been as oOod since. Griff's fucking around with his kingdom and Guts' was on that boat for nearly a decade while the RPG party make bad jokes. The Berserker armor looks cool and could have been a great thing for the story by having Guts literally lose all control and accidently kill one of his friends by Schierke just turns him into an empowered Batman.

>>158439088
I just read this the other week. It had its contrivances (that girl who was raped by her teacher who also happened to be her sisters boyfriend was one of the dumbest things I've ever read) but overall I thought it was great. The ending chapters were some serious shit.

>>158441100
*but Schierke

>>158421476
>Onani Master
This is the real answer. Starts out as like a Death Note parody, transitions pretty well into a drama about the dude getting cucked, then into the dude realizing the one guy who cucked him is actually his best friend and he was too stupid to realize he loved him, then it gets into the nerd girl's depression.
>tfw you choke up every time you read MC starts dating the gyaru

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>>158441243
He was never cucked because he was never truly in a relationship. He just mistook that girls friendliness for romantic interest in him. It's something a lot of autistic losers think. Regardless, it's the greatest darkhorse victory love story ever told.

>>158416527
This is a stupid question. It's like asking what the best book or movie is.

>>158441100
The only real fault in Bokurano is how you see the sister say she knew all about the rapes and there's no follow up at all. It seemed like something that just got forgotten about by the author.

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>>158421476
>Inside Mari
Loved Boku no Mari, the turbo-dyke character was great. The mangaka started it when he was finishing Aku no Hana, and the art-style it's the same.

>>158443014
And that guy gets away with it all. And there is no big reveal that Dung Beetle and his sister are actually humans from another earth. It's just "eh, don't trust her" and then Dung Beetle calls her sister and the rest of the crew (or what's left of them at least) just roll with it.

>>158443104
The Teacher was just a shitty character all around. I don't really think the lack of a big reveal is much of an issue though, especially considering the shit the kids had been through by that point.

>>158443182
Yeah, didn't like that "2deep4u" speech he gave the fat kid. Felt good when he was stabbed.

>>158424684
>20th Century Boys
I felt it meandered too much in the middle

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>>158420926
>>158434323
>Ryuguden
I don't know if i would call it a masterpiece but it was one hell of a ride. I wish the rest of pic related would get translated.

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>>158421371
This. Buddha is excellent as well, nothing beats a well executed historical epic.

>>158443104
>>158443182
I thought the teacher as a basic character was passable just because having someone completely fucking shit getting away seemed to fit thematically - the shittiness/imperfection of the world they're saving is relevant, and that's a crucial point for Kirie's (fattie's) arc and internal struggle - but I agree the sister being involved was a stretch that didn't get addressed enough. I thought Dung Beetle and Machi's backstory reveal was fine, since the shocking twist moment had already been used for "you're fighting other earths" to begin with, and they knew someone wasn't registered, so it didn't really need to be a big moment.

>>158441048
Glaucos does a great job of capturing the diving, but I found the autist and pals sort of lacking as characters, the whole sea-child hallucination shit wasn't interesting, and the evil-CEO and timeskip shit were stupid. That guy has real issues with story structure, Shamo was the same way.

My first manga i've ever read through was
Ichi the Killer.

I think i'll never get the same rush as i got from reading it for the first time.

>>158448544
I think the shittiness of the world is highlighted well enough without the teacher but I see how he contributes to it.

>>158449741
Yeah, that was phrased sort of badly, since there's plenty of other horrible shit happening. The thing is, most of the other stuff we see is more generalized (there's depression, there's abuse, there's assassins, etc.), not a singular malicious individual with a developed persona like this, and I can't say it well, but I think the fact that he isn't dealt with in the end, that they save the world but can't/don't rid it of a faggot like this, is in some way substantial.