Why does every isekai manga have to have fucking slaves? Is

>>157693262
In most cases they don't even fuck their own slaves. Japanese "men" are sissies.

Because it's literally another world based on the middle ages, you dumb shit.

>>157693408
You can literally buy a slave right now, from the comfort of your 21st century home.

Just because they fucking exist doesn't mean you have to purchase one.

In case you didn't realize, isekai is the pinnacle of self insert wish fulfillment drivel.

>>157693262
These girls actually outmaneuvered him perfectly though.

They don't want to become sex slaves so they established the terms of their slavery contract themselves and coaxed him into agreeing with it. But as battle slaves they don't need to worry about dying either since MC is an ungodly overpowered motherfucker. It's the best arrangement they could ask for.

>>157693262
Yes.

at least there's no adventurer's guild and jrpg elemen-OH WAIT

>>157693581
He doesnt want slaves though
Why dont they go their own way?

>>157693723
Because muh honor

>>157693532
No you can't. In most of the free world owning a slave is against the law. If you're talking about Russian mail order brides then HARR HARR HARR, those bitches are not slaves and you have another thing coming if you believe that.

>>157693746
I dont like this

>>157693262
>Why does every isekai manga have to have fucking slaves?
Because it is better to enslave criminals and orphans to make use of them instead of throwing them into jail and orphanages that wastes taxpayer's money.

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>>157693532
But slaves are commonplace in the other world, if others think it's perfectly okay to own slaves obviously I should adopt the same mindset, because who ever heard of having your own moral compass? Living in harmony with society should always be your number one priority, that's just how us "virtuous Japanese" roll, yep!

>>157693849
What's wrong with owning slaves though?

>>157693846
Same goes for enemies. A life in dignified slavery is better than having your head chopped off because you're of no worth. Of course, the exact system of slavery would depend where exactly you're captive and you might just end up being raped to death by a donkey or something.

>>157693880
Nothing.
Especially if they're degenerate beastkin filth. Trash should know their place in the world, they should be thankful to be serving humanity in the first place.

Wortenia Senki

>>157694000
Thank you!

>>157694000
Is this the meme isekai where a Japanese high schooler murders a bunch of trained soldiers with his bare hands because muh deadly Japanese martial arts training folded one thousand times?

>>157693262
>Why does every isekai manga have to have fucking slaves?

Let's see
Most isekai that has slaves have evil nobles, merchants, slavers making a living out and enriching themselves selling manpower.
Most of them are somewhere in the middle ages period which doesn't have the slavery is bad mindset.
Enslaving POWs, criminals, and orphans are a good way to utilize useless and sometimes detrimental undesirables.

>>157693905
Wortenia Senki

It's pretty okay so far if you ignore the fact that the MC is a complete sociopath who didn't bat an eye after murdering a dozen humans, some who were innocent bystanders, with his bare hands. Ignoring that bit of poor characterization, there's nothing too bad about it yet.

>Slavery is widespread
>Slaves are treated awfully by everyone because of this, no one really likes being a slave
>Characters have been in slavery for a long time and have been treated poorly
>They hate their master and the situation they're in.
>But as soon as special snowflake MC shows a little bit of kindness they become so submissive that they will lick his boots clean and have no intention of gaining any sort of freedom or own end to themselves.

This is why isekai with slaves are so fucking stupid.

>>157694175
>>It's pretty okay so far if you ignore the fact that the MC is a complete sociopath who didn't bat an eye after murdering a dozen humans, some who were innocent bystanders, with his bare hands
That sounds great, actually. Is it an actual character trait of his, or is it just piss-poor writing?

>>157693262
Didn't he tell them to fuck off later?

>>157694231
Some say the former, I feel the latter. But either way, it's only the lack of reaction that felt wrong to me, the rest about the situation is pretty plausible and once the moment is past it's no longer an issue.

>>157694267
You post this every thread and it's shitty every time.

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>>157694265
Took a peek at the first chapter, it's shit, alright.

>>157694195
Except that's is actually realistic?
The slaves know that their lot in life is fucked and they're highly unlikely to ever taste freedom so as soon as they get a master who seems to treat them even slightly better than average they'll go into full boot-licking mode to curry favor and leave a favorable impression so they don't get sold off again.
What about this scenario doesn't make sense?

>>157694267
>Good:

>- Mushoku Tensei
>- Overlord
>- Shield Hero


>GOOD

Hahahahaa.
Cancer.

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>>157694195
Anon, please. Tell us what you think a slave would do in such a situation?
Run off and get killed?
Fight back and get killed?
Be a snarky cunt that either gets raped, beaten, killed or sold off?

>>157694370
By the genre's standards, they certainly are.

>>157694410
They're garbage.
Shield Hero especially.

>>157694384
Take the MC up on his offer to free themselves?

>>157694384
Sometimes the MC is so fucking generous he not only offers them freedom but a whole bunch of money to get them started in life.

But they don't take the offer because "MUH MASTER TOO KIND I WANT TO FOLLOW YOU FOREVER".

>>157694438
Not by modern isekai standards and you know it.

>>157694443
>>157694451
Oh, well that explains it.

>>157694359
>and they're highly unlikely to ever taste freedom
Except, you know, the guy literally tells them to fuck off.

>>157694359
>>157694384
You guys all think that it would be impossible to run away? Really? You think it's impossible for refugees to find peace in another country when they get invaded as well?

The super special MC is giving you a chance to have new life at some place better than this one with your own freedom. Any sane person would choose the chance to leave.

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>>157694267

>okay
>Re:Zero

>>157694443
>be slave to an overpowered MC overflowing with wealth who provides you three square meals a day and pampers you in return for completing trivial tasks
>or be freed and end up on the streets with not a copper coin to your name to either starve to death or get enslaved again
Gosh this is such a hard decision to make.

Isekais are based on medieval fantasy tropes.

Medieval fantasy features slavery, magic, elves, orcs, etc

Its fucking standard. Whitewashed history that's being taught in US removes all the negative parts of medieval life. War/slavery/rape was common in medieval life.

>>157694443
>Slave taking the offer to free themselves
>Only to be captured by human traffickers and become slaves again
Yeah, definitely better than serving under and sucking up to a kind and generous master.

>>157694267
>Good
>I'm a Spider
That's some next level shit taste.

>>157694539

>or be freed and end up on the streets with not a copper coin to your name
He offered them a literal sackful of money and they're both powerful mages.

>>157694516
>You guys all think that it would be impossible to run away? Really? You think it's impossible for refugees to find peace in another country when they get invaded as well?
Are you retarded, anon?
A refugee is not a slave. Refugees can take half their belongings with them as they leave, food, clothes, tools, wealth. Things that can help them start again, or continue their lives. What does a slave have? Where does the slave go? Who do they seek help from? Slaves are almost always branded or marked in some manner, so they'd have to stay hidden and slave hunters would be after them at every step, looking to turn them into a brutal example of what happens to slaves who try to escape. They have no wealth, no food, no clothing, no tools. They may not even speak the local language.

>>157694574
By your retarded logic, civilians shouldn't exist because they'd get caught by human traffickers and sold into slavery.

>>157694451
Even if they were offered to be freed and given money to start over, only a few would risk it.
Being a slave to a strong kind and generous person guarantees security, food, clothing. shelter and immunity from falling into slavery again and sold to a worse master.

>>157694637
This happens to poor civilians all the time, yes.

Not just in isekai but in real life.

>>157694624
Why are you talking about things you didn't read?

The slaves in question are former nobles, well educated and powerful mages. They are offered freedom and a shit-ton of cash.

>>157693262
>so beta that they can't imagine girls willingly forming a relationship with them?
Yes.
If you'd been around women you'd understand.

>>157693262
Two reasons:
1. Easy way to show the MC's moral superiority, by not condoning slavery.
2. Otaku are so beta that they can't imagine girls willingly approaching them.

>>157694267
Will we ever get an isekai like Escaflowne again?

>>157693262
>Why does every isekai manga have to have fucking slaves?
To emphasize how kind and civilized the MC is in the most shoehorned way possible.

>>157694670
Except they're not fucking peasants, they're powerful magicians and they wouldn't be poor, they were offered a sackload of money.
>>157694669
>Even if they were offered to be freed and given money to start over, only a few would risk it.
Yeah, sure. When given the choice to continue to be a slave or to start anew with a sizeable amount of money, most people would prefer to stay in bondage and hope master doesn't fuck them over too hard.

>>157694267
Offical tier list
>not garbage ranging from okay to great.
- Digimon
- Escaflowne
- El Hazard
- The Twelve Kingdoms
- Rayearth
- Now and Then, Here and There
- Zero no Tsukaima
- Muv-Luv Unlimited/Muv-Luv Alternative
>complete garbage
- Mushoku Tensei
- Kenkyo Kenjitsu
- Overlord
- Shield Hero
- I'm a Spider
- Evil God Average
- Oda Nobuna
- Re:Zero
- Grimgar
- The Faraway Paladin
- Konosuba
- No Game No Life
- Youjo Senki
- Dungeon Defense
- Mondaiji
>Bad
- Release that Witch
- Bluesteel Blasphemer
- Mixed Bathing in Another Dimension
- In Another World With My Smartphone
- How A Realist Hero Rebuilt the Kingdom
- Slime Tensei
- My Pet Is a Holy Maiden
- Koihime Musou
- Dog Days
- Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear
- Knights and Magic
- Duel Savior
- Eien no Aselia
- Tsuki ga Michibiku
- Arifureta
- Death March
- Re: Monster
- World Teacher
- Word Master
- Dungeon Seeker
- Master of Monster
- Gun Ota
- Nidome no Yuusha
- Seirei Gensouki
- Anything with "Cheat" in the title
- Anything about Skill Taking
- Anything about Slaves
- Sword Art Online
- Danmachi
- UchiMusume
- Ore ga Heroine
- Infinite Dendrogram
- Paying to Win VRMMO
- Sevens
- Utawarerumono

Ftfy

>>157694514
>>157694516
Have you ever heard of learned helplessness?

>>157693262

>Is Japan so beta that they can't imagine girls willingly forming a relationship with them?

Well it's not like they fuck slaves in those shitsekais. It's just the first thing which comes into their minds about medieval age while writing another shitsekai and trying to be "unique and not like others", and add something "new".

Common medieval things like kings, knights, castles are so common in your usual shitsekai that they have to look at something "new" without understanding that it's still same unoriginal shit.

>>157694637
Ever heard of slave raids? Barbary slave raids? Arab slave trade? Dnieper/Viking/North-Eastern European slavery? All of them involved a shit-ton of attacks on civilian communities, specifically kidnapping people and forcing them into slavery.

>>157694678
>Why are you talking about things you didn't read?
If you're talking about the manga specifically, then mention it. If you're talking loosely about slaves running away, then I'll assume you're talking about slaves running away. I'm not psychic, you know.

>>157694734
>1. Easy way to show the MC's moral superiority, by not condoning slavery.
Except they always end up as spineless hypocritical cowards who are unwilling to clearly condemn slavery and are willing to indulge in it if their slave insists that they are "happy" with the arrangement.

>>157694743
what part? the setting? if that's the case I can go for it.

if it's a girl falling on everyone's cock, yeah, I can pass on that.

Hitomi made watching that show painful

>>157694776
We're not talking about the specific situation in the OP, but a general what if scenario.

>>157694776
>Recently freed slave with a ton of money
>Get mugged by ruffians and drunks
>Get caught by slavers
>Get sold to a more abusive owner

>>157694124
yes

>>157693262
I'd be fine with it if they actually treated them like slaves.

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>>157693905
I can't believe this guy is 16 Senki

>>157693581
>It's the best arrangement they could ask for.
Except for not being some asshole's slaves, right?

>>157694863
>OH MAN BEING A FREE PERSON WITH A TON OF MONEY SURE SUCKS BECAUSE YOU MIGHT GET KIDNAPPED AND ENSLAVED
Or you could, you know, use that fucking money and take countermeasures.

>>157694933
And how exactly does the slavery harm them? They clearly want to follow the asshole around, so why not do it like that?

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>>157694195
Or you could be this guy and use them as raw material for SCIENCE.

>>157694863
Or
>Be slave forever
>Rely everything on one person's whim over everything you do.
>If master dies then what?
>Super powerful guy is nice but will he forever? Remember when you were nice to people you first met and then hated them when they did something wrong now think if that was your master who had absolute power over you

Anyone would rather take a chance with your life, nothing is fucking safe.

>>157694808
Have you ever heard of not talking about things you didn't read? They haven't even been slaves for long. And the slaves in isekai are almost never portrayed to be institutionalized.

>>157694820
>Ever heard of slave raids?
Ever heard of civilians still existing in this world despite that because nobody wants to be a fucking slave? Ever heard of slave revolts, runaway slaves?
>>157694863
>Recently freed slave with a ton of money
>Get mugged by ruffians and drunks
>ruffians and drunks are now fucking dead because they were powerful magicians in the first place and not fucking stupid enough to wander into whatever dark alley your scenario takes place in

Oops.

This thread smells of burgerclaps

>>157695008
>And the slaves in isekai are almost never portrayed to be institutionalized.
Huh what? Slavery in isekai is almost ALWAYS institutionalized, complete with slavery laws, markets, and contracts.

>>157693788
You know slavery exists illegally in every country that has it banned, right?

>>157693849
Cellar anarchist, go and stay go.

The funny thing, is that in China, which was Japan's primary cultural influence, slavery though practiced by the Zhou largely fell out of fashion following the Qin Dynasty, and unlike other large civilizations in Europe and the Middle East, China was not a heavily slave-based society.

They did have occasional limited use for "slaves", such as eunuchs who were the property of the imperial court, or putting prisoners taken in war into indentured servitude, again the property of the court. But the average person was not allowed to own slaves, multiple emperors issued edicts reiterating the outlawing of slavery, and on the whole China did not have large profitable slave trading institutions like, for example, the Romans did.

Given that it's pretty interesting Japan's obsession with slaves and slavers.

>>157695057
That's a far cry from your average citizen not even batting an eye at the idea of slavery and slave auctions being held in the public square.

>>157695090
I guess that's why I never see slaves in all those Chinese WN.

>>157693262
the only reason you find the idea of slavery to be offensive is because some kike in public schools pushing a black-victimhood narrative brainwashed you into believing that it's against the rules to own another human being. Never mind the fact that you basically are owned by your parents, by your career, by your government through various forms of social contracts, peer pressure, and other forms of coercion.

>>157693262
Why the fuck are you idiots falling for such a bait topic?

>>157695090
>Given that it's pretty interesting Japan's obsession with slaves and slavers
It's a subtle form of nationalism, really.

Japanese writers seize on the most cliched, famous faults of historical western civilization, of which slavery is a. biggie, and blow them up to a cartoonish degree in their fictional isekai civilization obviously loosely based off medieval Europe so that their enlightened Japanese protagonists can swoop in and display how obviously superior the Japanese moral fiber is.

>>157695160
People want to talk about the isekaishit but can't do it openly.

>>157695008
I have read it. It does not take years for someone to develop learned helplessness it depends on how strong the punishments are and how little locus of control they have.

comfort women

>>157694267
Where's muh boy Hifumi?

>>157694480
Nah, I'd say that Shield Hero is bad enough to warrant being bottom-tier.

>>157695199
>People want to talk about the isekaishit but can't do it openly
Who's fucking stopping them?

>>157695157
No, people are sick of it since it's literally EVERYWHERE in isekai

This is an isekai thread where people complain about isekai knowing that it has good potential but writers are so fucking unimaginative that it's ridiculous. And also slavery is always looked down on by the MC which is almost always the author's self-insert.

/pol/ is going all out in this thread
>slavers dindu nuffin
You should "dindu nuffin" to yourselves.

>>157694451
>But they don't take the offer because "MUH MASTER TOO KIND I WANT TO FOLLOW YOU FOREVER".

oh fuck off you stupid cunt. lets objectively look at what being the slave of a japanese protag means

>you get to eat like a king
>you get wealth. positions, power
>you can wear the best clothing
>your housing and medical costs are taken care of
>you pretty much dont have to do any kind of real work

this is basically the end game goal of ever single fucking person on this planet who works some dead end job and you're gonna pretend its some 'terrible thing' because you cant stop associating the word slavery with what a handful of assholes did to some black guys for like 10 years on some god forsake sugar plantation in the 1700s.

>>157693262

Yes, exactly that. It's because they need a reason why the girl wouldn't run the fuck away.

The thinking is that "Oh, she'll like me when she REALLY gets to know me." because no sane woman would stick around the would-be reader without crying rape.

I'll add that slaves have REALLY low standards, too. "Not being beaten" and "not being raped to sleep every night" are miracles for them. You have to understand that the reader is so pathetic, they can't even pretend to be particularly likeable.

It's like being awarded a prize for being Japanese. Or have every girl about to jump on your dick, because you're literally the only man in existence.

Oh, wait. The last one is actually an isekai manga, Parallel Fantasy. (It's also the plot of World End Harem, with the hilarious note that the protagonist doesn't want to fuck anyone.)

>>157694963
They can't reach some mutually beneficial agreement where they follow the guy around without being his property?

>>157695046
You just noticed?

>>157694933
>BEING A SLAVE IS BAD BECAUSE BEING A SLAVE IS BAD

you are literally retarded.

>>157695290
I just popped in thinking it'll be another one of those fairly civil isekai threads.
Turns out it's burgerclap primetime.

>>157693262

>Reads isekai
>Complains because about the poor writhing

I bet you watch hentai and then complain because is lewd.

>>157693262

Of course not, that's why the MC has to save them and give the girls a debt of gratitude because the author doesn't understand how people mingle together.

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>>157693839
>>157693746
I like this!

Imagine, you're stuck in a place where every other fucko is perfectly willing to kill you for three pieces of copper. Slave, especially the sort with magical compacts, are EXTREMELY convenient.
All that's left is for the author to either make things boring or not. As a narrative (pragmative) device, slavery is acceptable in Other Worlds.

>>157695323
More like
>being in /a/
>complain because some anons don't like you're opinion

>>157695250
slavery is looked down on by the mc for the same reasons the mc will claim to 'not be a lolicon' while the author constantly throws little girls at the mc. It's something the author has to state so he isnt critized by normies.

>>157695261

Basically this.

>>157694329
There's like five chapters of the manga. At the very least plow through that much.

>>157695254
What's fucking stopping you from taking the goddamn offer of freedom and then following the MC anyways as an equal companion?

It's not like the non-slave part of the harem doesn't get the same perks except, you know, they're not bound by contract to obey his every word.

>>157695195
>famous faults of historical civilization
FTFY
Bonus: France & UK decided to decided to get rid of slavery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_slavery&oldid=782374916#Abolitionist_movements

Bonus:

>The history of slavery spans many cultures, nationalities, and religions from ancient times to the present day. However the social, economic, and legal positions of slaves were vastly different in different systems of slavery in different times and places.[1]
>Slavery can be traced back to the earliest records, such as the Mesopotamian Code of Hammurabi (c. 1860 BC), which refers to it as an established institution, and it was common among ancient peoples such as the Sumerians, Ancient Egyptians, Akkadians, Elamites, Assyrians, Babylonians, Hattians, Hittites, Amorites, Ancient Greeks, Canaanites, Eblaites, Hurrians, Mitanni, Israelites, Persians, Medes, Kassites, Luwians, Moabites, Edomites, Ammonites, Armenians, Chaldeans, Philistines, Scythians, Nubians and Kushites, among others.[2]

>>157695381
That's pretty hard. I mean, look at Rance. It's not isekai but if you only look at the slave part, it's retarded.

>>157694832
The setting definitely, Hitomi made it unbearable to watch sometimes. We really do need more mechas with gritty melee combat instead of the pewpew laser shit we get nowadays. The only recent one I can think of is IBO.

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>>157693262
>fuck morals, time to buy some hot slaves
>won't fuck them tho
Every single time.

>>157695460
>>157695253
Take your shit back to the trash where it goes.

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>>157695444
I can't say about Rance, but slavery is the kind of thing that make sense in most settings, even sci-fi depending on the tech level and particularities of travel. If power is decentralized in any way and 'moral' laws can't be upheld or observed to be broken, nothing stops anyone from running their own slave beatboxing ring.

>>157695147
Basically in Imperial China there just wasn't really a great economic need for slaves since labor was in plentiful supply, the major philosophies were all opposed to slavery, and so slaves weren't really seen in noticeable numbers aside from after major foreign conquests when they needed to find something to do with prisoners, and even in those cases they were typically gradually eased out of bondage and into freedom over time.

Big exceptions would probably be the massive use of forced labor by the Qin emperor to build walls and shit, the later use of forced labor to build the Grand Canal, the expansion of slavery by the Mongols when they took over and established the Yuan dynasty (later rolled back by the Ming dynasty) and again by the Manchus when they took over and established the Qing dynasty (they rolled that back later).

>>157695195
Notwithstanding the whole "trade Chinese lives for coal" thing in WW2 of course.

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When Death March anime is going to air?

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Slaves are cute.

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>>157695485
They are BATTLE slaves
Very convenient

so is the MC going to fight against the princess or with the princess? because he's reasoning with the another isekai person from the kingdom is fucking gold

>are you a murder in the japan?
>no, why?
>why can you kill a person so easily
>geez, i dunno? i mean he attack me, treat me like shit and threaten me to become his tool so i wonder why i can kill a person?

for all the build up for the princess, she makes me thinks that she is some OP person or whatever

>>157695432
The point isn't the reality of history, but the popular conception of it in Japan.
>oh Japanese people have NEVER owned slaves before, that's immoral!
>but it was a pretty big thing in the west once wasn't it? Didn't America even fight a whole war over it?

>>157694267
>Great
>Good
>Okay
This is completely wrong. There was a reason the old list didn't make pronouncements of quality and just noted classifications.

>>157695424
>as an equal companion?
Who says they want to be equal? Maybe they're fine with being just a subordinate, perhaps even finding pride in being a slave to such a benevolent person.

>>157695266
As a peer?
Seems like some people here don't like that.
Nor isekai authors.

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>>157695550

>>157695664

That's scary, man! If a girl is your peer, she might have standards! She might leave you for a guy who isn't a piece of shit, relatively speaking.

>>157693262
Most Isekai are in a vaguely middle ages world. Why wouldn't there be slaves? The bigger issue is more the average writer of Isekai has no bloody clue how the hell slavery tends to actually work.

>>157695401
Is this a stealth insult thrown in Death March's direction? Because hoo boy is it ever so guilty of both.

>>157694267
>>157694789
>Classic tier
- Digimon
- Escaflowne
- El Hazard
- The Twelve Kingdoms
- Rayearth
- Dunbine
- Tenchi Muyo Isekai no Seikishi Monogatari
- Now and Then, Here and There
- Zero no Tsukaima
- Duel Savior
- Muv-Luv Unlimited/Muv-Luv Alternative

>Archetype tier
- Mushoku Tensei
- Kenkyo Kenjitsu
- Overlord
- Shield Hero
- I'm a Spider
- Evil God Average
- Oda Nobuna
- Log Horizon
- Release that Witch

>Atypical tier
- Re:Zero
- Grimgar
- The Faraway Paladin
- Konosuba
- Youjo Senki
- Dungeon Defense
- Mondaiji
>Fun garbage tier
- Arifureta
- Bluesteel Blasphemer
- Mixed Bathing in Another Dimension
- In Another World With My Smartphone
- How A Realist Hero Rebuilt the Kingdom
- Slime Tensei
- Koihime Musou
- Dog Days
- Knights and Magic
- Eien no Aselia
- Tsuki ga Michibiku

>Total garbage tier
- Death March
- Re: Monster
- World Teacher
- Word Master
- Dungeon Seeker
- Master of Monster
- Gun Ota
- Nidome no Yuusha
- Seirei Gensouki
- Anything with "Cheat" in the title
- Anything about Skill Taking
- Anything about Slaves

>Not isekai tier
- Inuyasha
- Sword Art Online
- Danmachi
- UchiMusume
- Ore ga Heroine
- Infinite Dendrogram
- Paying to Win VRMMO
- Sevens
- Utawarerumono
- .hack

FTFY

>>157695713
What, you're telling me slaves aren't all kemonomimi maids who are intensely loyal to their master?

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>>157695550
>>157695701
There are characters sometime made to be fluffed up.

>>157695664
>>157695661
Or a servant. There are plenty of ways to be subservient to someone without degrading your humanity and becoming someone's chattel.

>>157695784
>without degrading your humanity
You say that like most slaves in isekai are humans.

>>157695746
What is the point of putting Release That Witch anywhere but garbage tier. Not only is is poorly written, it is also a Chink novel.

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>>157695764
Very fluffed up.

>>157695749
>kemonomimi

Honestly even this wouldn't be that terrible if the writer had any idea how the hell to make the slavery functional. Most slaves are going to be doing hard labor not maid work or the likes. They tend to make the MC too over the top, The slavery too vague, And don't really explain the laws or logic of the setting other then maybe for a page before the hero saved them. Bad writing in other words ruins it.

>>157695851
That just depends on the setting's definition of person.

>>157695707
>That's scary, man!
>Letting a women think she is your peer

That is the fastest way to get so much bullshit tossed at you it isn't even funny. Equal relationships not even once anon.

>buy sex slave
>MC actively runs away from having sex with her

>>157695249
The mods that delete them on sight.

>>157695540
Why won't he just fuck his loli harem?

>>157695421
i feel like shit about the medic boy

>>157696453
Because he's not a lolicon.

>>157695604
>Didn't America fight a war over it.
A bit. The main focus of the American Civil War was the expansion of federal powers, attempting to modernize the south (Because industry > slave/agriculture society), breaking up the social stagnation in the south, and a little bit of other stuff.

I wouldn't say the United States fought a war over it. I would say the United States fought a war that had slavery as one of its topics and was used heavily as propaganda to support the Union.

>>157695574
I think they dont mind having sex with mc though

>>157695746
>- Eien no Aselia
On the subject I actually liked how Yuuto actually needed to learn new world language (both in speech and writing) despite the fact that Desire could magically translate it for him. I was disappointed when Seinarukana dropped it and made entire Time Tree to speak Japanese.

>>157696364
>buy sex slave
>mc fucks her
>buy regular slave
>fucks her too
Slave Harem is shit but at least he actually fucked his slaves.

>>157693262
Of course. Just like those isekais where the boring otaku protag gets transported along with the super popular girl in his class who he soon realizes has a crush on him. Or she was a bully and gets killed. These are wish fulfillment.

>>157696759
Other than Arifureta when does this even happen.

>>157696806
Kumo Desu ga
>oh I'm just a lonely otaku girl who everyone hated reincarnated into a spider
>huh what do you mean I was actually the unapproachable school idol that all the guys had a crush on

>>157696597
Aselia never got a restored content version in English, did it?

>>157696843
No. But considering how EnS "aged poorly" I think nothing of value was lost.

>>157696838
She was never anything but a spider.

>>157696453
Why would he fuck kids when he can get real women? He isn't a degenerate.

>>157696806
If you go deep enough into the bowls of the internet you'll find a shit ton of it. Not even getting into the autism of Chinese Isekai.

>>157696641
Honestly that is something I kind of wish would happen more in going to another world style stories. The protagonist going native and honestly rebuilding his life and dealing with the new society he lives in social mores.

>>157696641
>but at least he actually fucked his slaves
Did he? I thought it was R15 not R18, and he never got further than molesting them.

>>157696530

Stop spewing revisionist history please. The Civil War was almost entirely about slavery, every founding Confederate document says so clearly, often multiple times. Pretending it was about the FEDERAL OVERREACH is stupid, because the god damn Confederate Constitution says that every future territory of the Confederacy would be mandated to have Slavery even if they didn't want it. They were exercising more fucking federal overreach in slavery's preservation than the Union had during the entire Abolitionist movement up to that point!

Deal with it.

>>157696976
>he doesn't know
Filthy secondary

>>157697120
>Revisionist history
The fuck are you talking about. The Civil War was not almost entirely about slavery.

Slavery was part of the reason why the Civil War was fought, but it was not the main focus. Hell the North didn't even give two fucks about slaves post-war or they wouldn't have let Jim Crow take effect or let alot of work done during Reconstruction get undone..

>>157697108
He fucked all his slaves.

>>157697182
She's literally got fake memories.

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>>157694370
>>157694438
>>157695243

>>157696838
>what do you mean i was the spider all along?

>>157693262
Slavery was normal worldwide for most of human history, in fact something like >98% of recorded human history included slavery

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>>157696510
Yeah. Kind of a dickish way to kill him, what with the pause taken just to verbally abuse him beforehand.
Still, he was an enemy all the same. Can be somewhat excused by circumstances, if you consider the MC was a little bit off-put by the situation.

>>157697263

Please explain how slavery was not the main focus of the Civil War when the stated reasons of the states themselves for their secession all included text about the fact that the North was going to take away Slavery as the specific point of contention? Or that the Confederacy's vice president said that the "natural law," that was slavery was literally the cornerstone of the entire nation?

Better yet, don't explain, because your explanation will be bullshit. The Civil War was, in all actual SUBSTANCE, about Slavery, the ideological ether you were talking about was tertiary to that issue. Period.

>>157695460
Why are you assuming I condone muslims? Why are you assuming I only associate slavery with whites?

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>school idol hinted to like loser MC
>when they actually reunite in the other world it turns out she not only likes him, she's fucking crazy yandere possessive over him despite displaying zero crazy traits up til then
Wew lad.

>>157698131
>fucking crazy yandere

I love this archetype more then I really should. But they always fuck it up.

>>157698131
>pic related

>>157693262
1. Fuel for submission fetish.
2. It's super easy to make slave girls sympathetic.
3. It's super easy to make MC score Nice Guy Points by having him treat slave girls like human beings.
4. Therefore slave girls immediately fall in love with protag Because He's Kind™.
5. Showing morally superior Japanese character go against filthy barbarians' customs in the other world strokes readers' national pride.

In other words it's just another crappy stock element put in isekai to pleasure the reader and avoid actually writing something properly.

>>157698222
Asuna might be yandere as fuck but she ain't the school idol at all.

>>157695460

People have used religion to justify owning slaves for two thousand years fuckhead. The idea that slavery was God's Will or else HE would have already freed them was a popular one among moral cowards during the American Antebellum period. How many Muslims own ZERO slaves exactly? The answer is most of them, just like by the time of the Civil War most Christians owned ZERO slaves despite them using Christianity to justify their crap.

The religion isn't the problem, its the fucking backwater third-world tinpot governments and cowardly/lazy people who won't get off their asses to do something about it that allow psychos get away with moral evil. Cut out the FUCKING LIBTARDS IGNORE WHEN AKMED DOES IT crap, you sound like an asshole.

>>157695304
are you retard?
being a slave is always bad
literally no benefit unless you are a masochist

>>157697752
The Civil War was about the preservation of the Union numbnuts, but I can't form an argument against someone who won't listen to reason.

>>157694267
>Aselia
>bad
>faraway paladin
>ok
Fuck you

>>157694984
what's this
I kinda have a taste for some edgefest recently if this is Mc

>>157698448
It's just a bad rewrite of >>157695746 with a complete misunderstanding of what the tiers meant.

>>157694984
>>157698469
Ouroboros Records.

Do people like Himekishi ga Classmate?
I like it but never see it talked about on here. The slavery mechanic is nice too.

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Is Neptunia isekai?

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>>157698469
Ouroboros

Why is it that slavery is so predominant is medieval based isekai instead of serfdom?

>>157698684
Because it's hotter.

>>157698684
Lazy writing

>>157693408
The Middle Ages ended slavery you dingus, serfdom replaced it.

>>157695195>>157695604


I see you've completely forgotten about the comfort women and various other slaves the Japanese liked having in WWII. It seems more likely that the cliche is more linked to their own slavery practices and especially so given the similarities in that the Japanese insist the sex slaves totally weren't raped.

>>157698684
Never mind that, serfdom might as well be nonexistent as far as isekai is concerned.
I've never seen it mentioned even in isekai where the MC is in charge of a kingdom or country.
Every farmer owns their own plot of land and nobles collect their wealth entirely from taxes it seems.

>>157698684
Personal property and ownership can be layered.
In the first place, the societies we see in most Isekai is either Classical or Early Renaissance.
We see a lot of stuff which is more in line with the (mid) Roman Empire or 16thC mainland Europe.

>>157695746
>Dunbine
My brother.

>>157698684
its the evil aristocrats. who run over orphans or elves with horse carts for fun.

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Stop bitching and post cute girls.

>>157698839
Are you implying that a common orphan or a filthy elf's life is worth more than the dirt on a noble's shoe? What foolishness!

>>157698399

Well, it was about that on the Union side, sure. On the Confederate side it was about preserving slavery. Which is what we were talking about. Also, since the Confederacy attacked first to start the war and the Union remained intact despite their protestations until they did (and REALLY technically the union ALWAYS remained intact because the Confederacy was never recognized as a nation and by legal definition were never anything but an unlawful rebellion being perpetrated by outlaws), I would say the Confederacy's motive is the more prescient one.

>>157698810
I don't remember seeing much Roman Empire but indeed most of them are early renaissance.

>>157695578
I can't tell if that paraphrasing is sarcasm or not which is probably a bad sign for the genre's writing standards.

Is there any isekai with a HRE clone?

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Is this decent isekai?

>>157694267
>Utawarerumono
spoilers, fag.

>>157699095
Nips don't know what a
>Holy
>Roman
>Empire
is.

>>157699054
Visually, it's rare, but politically and economically, 90% of the 'empires' we see in Isekai is based on the heydays of Rome&Buds.

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>>157699147
>>157699095

>>157698810
>In the first place, the societies we see in most Isekai is either Classical or Early Renaissance.
On what basis? Most of what we see in isekai is just Dragon Quest.
>We see a lot of stuff which is more in line with the (mid) Roman Empire or 16thC mainland Europe.
You mean they manage to be simultaneously too early and too late somehow?

>>157699123
I guess?
You can't call it a shitty harem because people seem to understand the idea that you can't fuck a 2 year old, and I don't really think that it's possible to self-insert into the MC, unless you're really that much of a stereotypical bullied kid. It really does take having a shit life to the next level. People like him would be dead several times over by our age.

>>157694124

Still bettterthan op cheat ability.

>>157693295

>In most cases they don't even fuck their own slaves. Japanese "men" are sissies.

I remember Shieldbro explained he dont fuck his slave because he dont want children.

>>157698878
She's supposed to have a frog face, but she looks like this?
I have been deceived

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>>157699123
Even this far, I can't decide if it is.
Progress is very concentrated, with little to no obvious skips to allow background growth. It could do with taking a step back from seeing the MC micromanage everything.

At the latest point of the translation for the novel, the MC is finally in a position to take a breather (background characters are even conspiring in that direction).

>>157699008
To add to this anon's arguments I'd like to point out that the Confederacy actually thought the states has TOO MUCH rights specifically because New York would not allow slaveowners to keep their slaves if they brought them with them into New York. So the states rights argument that gets touted around is entirely bullshit since whether or not they cared about them was entirely based on if it allowed slavery.
Peculiar back then was a synonym for beloved so when the Confederacy calls slavery it's peculiar institution they are meaning that slavery was the core, sacred, and beloved moral of their entire society.

>>157699123
don't know, dropped it as soon as the daughters of the talking carriage appeared. as far as i read it was decent but it was in a slippery slope when i stopped reading

>>157693942
>raped to death by a donkey
How is this a thing? I mean I don't think horses, donkeys, etc would have a sexual desire for a wildly different species, are they drugged or coerced into it by spreading certain smell on the would-be victim? How does this even works?

>>157699158
>90% of the 'empires' we see in Isekai is based on the heydays of Rome&Buds.
Why the Romans in particular? Do they have a slave economy, an "emperor" that pretends to merely be a first citizen, legions raised from the provinces and augmented with barbarians, what?

>>157699315
Often, often, often, and often, yes.

>>157694267

I love when in Escaflowne that schoolgirl is useless, she cant use the mecha, her tarot dont work and never learn how fight.

>>157695096
>far cry
>far cry5 in the US

A -HA!

>>157694124
To be fair jujitsu shits on most martial arts irl there's no reason it wouldn't be decent in another world too.

>>157699314
Don't you remember that guy being fucked to death by a horse awhile back?

>>157695096
Whoever said anything about public auctions?
Dude's point is that banning something doesn't get you rid of it. It throttles the market and drives it underground.
You can buy slaves. Right now.
Why are you still a virgin, then?

>>157699380
>Often
They take the time to talk about how beast people are discriminated against and used as slaves, but we only ever see them being domestic servants, we never see vast agricultural estates or factories being worked by slaves taken as prisoners of war.
>often
The emperor is always an emperor. I can't think of any king or emperor in any isekai who pretended to be merely a private citizen.
>often
I don't recall isekai imperial armies being primarily provincials rather than from the heartlands.
>and often
How often do we see roving hordes of barbarian raiders in isekai?

>>157699236
He was given permission to fuck melty to leave a child and sent back to his world but refused. Also had he fucked raphtalia during the waves, with her eventual pregnancy and birth they would be down one person on the team. And they can barely deal with the waves with 3 people.

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>>157698923
Blue blood pls, if they lead better lives then it means more future taxes. If they are old enough to bleed then they are old enough for the mines/cash crop plantation.
Maybe even abuse the definition of slaves to dodge taxes to the kingdom.

>>157699480
Is that horse a sexual deviant? Why aren't more people fucked by horses on a regular basis?

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>>157699250
Ryou is adorable.

>>157699195
Not him , but they mix and match elements since they have the usual bad grasp of history that we do as westerners combined with not actually being westerners so their knowledge is even more garbled. Imagine the average (western) person trying to make period accurate entirely from pop culture references of japan's history. It's rightfully a garbled mess.
>>157699314
>>157699610
The hips move on their own once you get them started. ( No, seriously, that's why the dude died as he couldn't stop the horse once it got started)

Romans used to have specially trained monkeys and other creatures to rape slaves as part of the entertainment at a colosseum. I don't recall if any were specifically for fucking them to death.
The first recorded serial killer has a myth about her being publicly raped to death by a specially trained giraffe which is false but an entirely believable thing given the stuff romans would get up to.
As an interesting side note of trivia the Ancient Egyptians were apparently world renowned as masters at having sex with crocodiles.

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>>157699920
>world renowned as masters at having sex with crocodiles.

>>157698353
Depends on the kind of slavery. If you happen to be a world respected scholar who has taught the dukes heir for the past 20 years and has any and everything he wants handed to him it's not too terrible especially if you have laws protecting you from physical harm.

If you happen to be the "Work till you drop all day everyday" Type then you are fucked.

>>157698839
There is no words for how much I hate this. I mean sure some noblemen being a jackass can work. But once you make everyone of them like this it just looks stupid as hell.

>>157700205
>But once you make everyone of them like this it just looks stupid as hell.
Welcome to medieval age I guess.

>>157700052

There is a difference between Chattel Slavery and other kinds that have existed in history, this is true. The Janissaries were slaves and they basically ran the country at at least one point.

That being said, even if you are a slave with perks and creature comforts and legal protections, I'd argue that its still pretty shitty to be defined by society as being a lesser being than some other beings, and having insurmountable limits placed on your life because of that status as a lesser being.

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>>157699123
I'd say it's pretty good. Well above average.
The MC has a personality and goals that aren't just become the strongest, return to earth, or make a harem.
Those are typically the 3 worst reasons to base a novel around and all.

Time progresses in a decent manner (he's about to turn 11 as of chapter 189), although some would consider not growing up faster to be a flaw.

The world has some actual thought given to it as well.
There isn't much in the ways of romance for harem—basically just girls promising to fuck when he becomes an adult—which can be a plus or minus depending on how much you value that.

Overall I just consider it fun to read, though.
The art's also nice.

>>157693849
They do this, but then impose Japanese values everywhere else so I don't get it

>>157700298
It wasn't nearly that bad. You had some jackasses certainly. But there was easily cases of nobles helping people out and doing their jobs. It wasn't nearly as over the top as isekai makes it look.

>>157699557
The leader not telling the protagonist he is the leader and giving him advice is one of the most common tropes there is in Japan

>>157700572
>I'd argue that its still pretty shitty to be defined by society as being a lesser being than some other beings

Yeah. Still I can think of far far worse fates to have.

>>157693849
Honestly I kind of wish I could find a novel with this premise. Dude finds himself in another world and has to figure out all the social mores and politics without fucking himself over.

>>157700831

I think "Dude goes to Isekai Slave World and realizes its fucked up so he starts the Abolitionist Movement," would be a better premise.

>>157694195
>But as soon as special snowflake MC shows a little bit of kindness they become so submissive that they will lick his boots clean
Pretty much true about all anime, even the antagonists
>"You will NEVER understand! When I was banned from the public library, only Lord Villain-sama showed me any kindness! That's why, even though I know his ways are evil, I will die for him!"

>>157701033
I'm more kind of thinking the general idea of a Isekai protag actually changing in personality due to being in an entirely other social environment. One of the things they never really really go into is the geopolitical environment and the likes.

Like lets say he starts the Abolitionist Movement. How would he plan on rounding up support? What happens when richer household slaves get annoyed? Does he go all Spartacus instead? Basically most novels like this lacks a lot of political grounding. Even though being from another world they should easily be able to do almost anything from kick starting monopolies to defining germ theory. Novels like this makes the protagonists too static in my mind. I kind of want to see one where both sides wind up changed by interaction. Instead of just the protagonist bull-rushes everyone with cheap powers without anything of themselves changing due to it.

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>fucking slaves

>>157699236
Shieldbro fucked everyone in the ending. At least his mortal alts did.