Dragon Ball Super

ahh hmm yes proper new thread etiquette makes me feel good in my pants

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>>157395779
>cucked by Kaioken
>cucked by Super Saiyan
>cucked by Mastered Super Saiyan
>cucked by Super Saiyan 3
>cucked by Super Saiyan God
>cucked by Mastered Super Saiyan Blue

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>>157395897
Goku also nicked one of his favorite moves.

>>157395779
Goku is such a good friend, letting Vegeta think he matters

>>157395779
Doesn't this predictable formula happen every time? It's why I stopped after DBZ. Heck, I wanted to stop after Cell but soldiered through the Buu saga, which was just so ridiculous I regret ever watching it. Ending with Cell was fine, Goku sacrificed himself, Gohan beat Cell and became new protector, Vegeta admitted Goku made an incredible sacrifice and vowed to not fight again. Everybody was done. Story over.

i'll ask again, anyone have the picture of krillin as a spider? i can't find it

Toyocucks BTFO

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>>157395998
IT NEVER FUCKING WORKS
WHY THEY KEEP DOING IT
JUST STOP

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>>157395779
>-I'll kill this asshole!
>+Are you sure, Vegeta?
>-Yes j-just defeat the other Zamasu, I'll beat the black one
>+We can fight together if you want, Veget-
>-SHUT UP LET ME TAKE THE KILL
>+Ok ok... as you wish
>Vegeta is assraped
>needs months of training to overcome the stamina problem because he's still far to master SSB unlike Goku

>>157395779
>useless
No, now both have a way to come across SSB's weakness. Goku seals his ki inside his body and Vegeta only goes SSB in the exact moment he needs so they are in the same terms now.

>>157395897

Vegeta has always been playing catch up. He may be stronger than Goku at base but Goku more than makes up for it with a solid foundation in his training and martial arts disciplines.

All Vegeta ever did was increase his power output and the only time he did something different was in the Super manga where he had to learn to be better with his ki control and transformations, something Goku was already good at thanks to Kaioken and SSJ time chamber training.

>>157396201
This, now Toei made Vegeta's RoTaS trip unless by having Goku overpowered Merged Zamasu and destroy half his face.

While Vegeta and Future Trunks working together couldn't do the same.

Vegeta who was stronger than Black (until he stabbed himself).
Future Trunks who manage to hold off Black and Zamasu (with his asspull transformation) while Goku and Vegeta escaped.

Both lost out to the guy who got defeated by Black twice. Made Vegeta's RoTaS trip and the Father Son Galick Gun pointless. Not to mention fucking over the power scaling.

>>157396406
he told that to vegeta though

Why wouldnt vegeta be the first to do it

>>157396439
Beats me, we don't know how Whis' training went down in the manga continuity.

>>157396331
Uh no, Vegeta was tired in the anime after fighting black, unlike goku who was just stalling with zamasu.

Also, goku fucked up his arms while vegeta was fine after his garlick gun.

Vegeta was stronger but was tired and didn't go all out.

Goku did against zamasu

>>157396201
Nah, it's pretty clear Goku's method is superior. Vegeta couldn't react fast enough to use SSB in bursts against merged Zamasu and was just knocked down in SSG without even getting to transform.

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>>157396473
>Vegeta was tired in the anime after fighting black,

>>157396496
>I'm a baby so details aren't important, i need to be spoonfeeded to know everything

>>157396535
>y-you're a baby because you w-won't attempt my headcanon!!
Top kek

At least there's a bigger butt monkey like Tien to make fun of instead and draw away criticism

>>157396478
No method is flawless, Vegeta can easily switch between SSG and SSB or just use SSB a few seconds without suffer, while Goku is having a bad time to seal successfully his ki.
I bet they will have "full power SSB" mastered at Zeno's tournament, though

>>157396473
This.

At least in the anime, Goku didn't hide something which made him able to be stronger than everyone.

In the mange, he hide it, let Vegeta job, Goku fucking jobbed to zamasu.

Vegeta is still the cannon fodder, Goku is sill the magic protagonist.

At least in the anime, we have team work, a useful Vegeto (Zamasu was weakened after the final kamehameha, Vegeta was about to finish him with his fist), trunks who take the main kill.

In the manga NO, beside giving a power up to Trunks, he give one to Goku.

Oh wait trunks is a healer now, since he's tired after "healing", he will be useless until the end now, great

>>157396560
Toyotaro didn't give detail about how black can use zenkai in the manga even though he use goku's body you dumbfuck

>>157396612
>Toyotaro didn't give detail about how black can use zenkai in the manga
What the fuck does this have to do with my post?

>>157396560
>Details are headcanon
>Why is bulma intelligent? I need explanation for that
>How are children made in DB? I need to see how they did it

>>157396636
You said that details aren't important, the media need to tell us everything.

Toyo didn't for the zenkai but we assumed how it work for black (the soul thing), but I guess we will never know how black can do it since Toyo will never tell us about it

>>157396642
Yes details that only exist in your head, are headcanons. Deal with it.

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>>157396406
My guesses are that Toriyama enjoyed SSBKK in the anime so it will be properly introduced in the canon in the tournament, so this is Toyo's way to explain how Goku will use KK after these years. Probably the anime will say something like "previous SSBKK wasn't perfect but now Goku combined both in a perfect way creating the ultimate real SSBKK!" while the manga will just use the perfect version

>>157396671
>You said that details aren't important
No, I didn't.

>>157396695
Yes you did, it's easy to assume that Vegeta was tired, he had a hard time dealing with black's clones, same as goku who isn't just as strong as Vegeta at this moment.

We don't even know what happened with the clones, it's easy to assume that Vegeta was just more tired.

>Details aren't important, it's incoherent because I say so

>>157396124
ghost kamekaze version works though

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>>157396612
>Goku hide something
Nigga what the fuck you smoke

>team work when Goku and Vegeta aren't supposed to work together in a fight
Yeah no, watch RoF again

>Zamasu was weakened after the final kamehameha, Vegetto was about to finish him with his fist
See >>157396496

>trunks who take the main kill
>implying this will not be the same for the manga

>>157396719
>Yes you did,
Nope.

>it's easy to assume that Vegeta was tired,
Again, nope that's just your headcanon to try and rationalize Toei's shitty writing.

>>157396673
>>157396743

>Only my head
>Detail that explain why this happened easily
>We didn't even see everything in the same media
>Vegeta was fighting against the strongest guy
>Goku against the weakest guy
>Vegeta was never tired
>????

It's also a part of the canon story, fighter are tired when they fight a guy who are close to their strenght, see piccolo vs 17

In your logic, I guess black using zenkai is incoherent


>Goku's body can't use zenkai
>Black can
>Even though it's the same body
>How?
>Toyo never explained this

>>157396612
>Toyotaro didn't give detail about how black can use zenkai in the manga
But that's wrong you retard
Zenkais only tied Black's soul to Goku's body, but he didn't get more power by the zenkai itself because he can't (like Goku)

>>157396768
See >>157396673
>Yes details that only exist in your head, are headcanons. Deal with it.

>>157396779
>>157396782


>Zenkais only tied Black's soul

Nice headcanon

>>157396779
Don't bother Toei shills always shitpost about the manga and lie to defend the anime.

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Cool fight, Toei.

Tanooki beats Frieza any day

>>157396789
Not sure, why you replied to me.

>>157396730
>Nigga what the fuck you smoke
Vegeta know about FSSB when he fused with goku you fucking retard

>Yeah no, watch RoF again
>A retconned movie
>Canon

>implying this will not be the same for the manga
>Trunks is tired
>More tired than goku
>Take the main kill

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>>157396802

>>157396842
What an amazing face

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>>157396842

>>157396779
>Zenkais only tied Black's soul

Never stated in the manga, nice headcanon.

The only part with the "divine soul" is to explain SSR, fucking liar trying to rationalize Toyo's shitty writing

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>>157396682

Hopefully, it won't be another Super Saiyan recolor.

Maybe the anime will use a perfected SSG instead since that form got so little screen time.

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>>157396879
While I don't agree with the incoherent part, I agree that Toyo's writing is boring.

The manga isn't a clusterfuck but it's meh for now, Toyo just do the same thing again and again.

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>>157396878
What was he supposed to do here toeishill? Draw in dot eyes? He's so far away that he doesn't have enough room to draw in facial features without making it ugly. Toyo made the right call, unlike Toei.

>>157396917
I like the manga but Toyo definitely need a good writer, he suck too much toriyama's writing

I can't stop imagine how perfect this arc could have been in the manga if the guy who made your pic was the writer

>>157396894
U6 experimenting on Kale to create Legendary Super Saiyan God when?

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Can someone recolor this to Blue?

>>157396917
>Son Goku praising my strength? I am most honored!!
Jesus Christ this is retarded, Zamasu's entire character is centered around the fact that he hates Ningen. Yet here he's all Goku senpai noticed me!!! :) The fuck?

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>>157396982
How about Lava Goku instead?

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>>157396982

>>157397011
That's a fanfic using images from the manga where the AF version of West Kaioshin was the one that stole Goku's body.

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>>157396789

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>>157396124
it almost worked with Cell

You're sharing a board with a murderer and a rapist.
Just wanted to let you know.

Toei's new things in DB from black's arc:

>Trunks being a leader
>Saiyans protagonist using teamwork against a powerful enemy
>Trunks taking the main kill
>Random humans being useful (even though it's seems off sometimes)
>Incoherent powerscaling

Toyo's new things in DB from black's arc:

>Trunks is dende (so tired that he can't take the main kill now)
>Biggest power up ever made (Guys who one shotted Vegeta's SSB, still fine after Vegeto's punch, jobs more to Goku, bleed thanks to him
>Goku is still the magic protagon...Oh wait, not a new thing
>Coherent powerscaling but still the same shit as before

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>>157396982

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>>157397112
>>Random humans being useful (even though it's seems off sometimes)
More like the villains being incompetent

>>157397063
He's just saying that he has better control of the body for SSR, nothing about gaining strenght.

Nice headcanon

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More proof of Toei being superior. Toriyama's artwork has less detail and pretty much no shading. Toeichads win again

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>>157397112
>>Trunks taking the main kill
>>Random humans being useful (even though it's seems off sometimes)
just as keikaku

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>>157396825
>Vegeta know about FSSB when he fused with goku you fucking retard
Great headcanon

>retconned movie
Not an argument since the movie just reiterate an old thing. Goku and Vegeta don't fight together, that's how they are.

>Trunks is more tired than goku
Sure

>>157397136
Black stated that humans were like nothing to him, that he enjoy their suffering, that's why he take is time to kill them.

Did you forget that at the end, merged zamasu was able to kill EVERYONE?

>>157397185
He destroyed their body at least

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>>157397213
>Black stated that humans were like nothing to him
Clearly that's wrong.

>>157397206
>Great headcanon
It was said by twitterfags who can read moon

>Not an argument since the movie just reiterate an old thing
Watch the anime you dumbfuck

>Sure
>Can only heal one guy at time
>Goku is now stronger than Merged zamasu
>Goku is more tired than trunks
>????

>>157397248
I don't care about this scene, some incoherent scenes can't kill my enjoyement of a anime

>>157397177
>nothing about gaining strenght
>literally lying on the internet

>>157397281
>I don't care about this scene
Good for you then.

>>157397136
are you talking about manga zamasu who is still playing with goku and vegeta even he has a time limit? or still didn't killed trunks

>>157397293
>are you talking about manga zamasu
That's clearly anime Black anon.

>>157397288
>Everytime my cells regenrate, they becomre more and more my own
>My divine soul and my body become one
>Gaining strengh
>?????

Also:

>Toyo: Lul you need zenkai to use SSB(R) actually

>>157397290
Same goes for you, you still watch DB after a random human was able to make a time machine, after a random human was able to make cyborg stronger than the emperor of the universe

>>157397339
Sometimes when I go, I must go

>>157397335
>That's clearly anime Black anon.
Black/Merged zamasu isn't time limited and weren't almost ended by the main protagonist

After Goku and Vegeta defused, Merged Zamasu try to finish them directly, he's not even time limited and was more durable againt Vegeto, in the manga, he still take his time like a retard

>>157397371
Not if i beat the fuck out of you piece of shit

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>>157397112
>Trunks being a filler leader
>lack of Goku and Vegeta saiyan characterization
>random humans being useful, which make the villains a fucking joke

>also implying Trunks taking the main kill will not happen in the manga
>implying incoherent power scaling in toei's animes is a new thing

>also having this flagrant lack of reading comprehension, believing Goku got a power up and Zamasu was fine fighting with Vegetto

>>157397339

Calling Bulma and Gero random humans is like calling Goku a random Earthling.

>>157397339

Not sure how genius creators are comparable to regular humans stopping Universe tier beings from killing someone.
>>157397371
>Black/Merged zamasu isn't time limited
And? That doesn't change the fact that Black was incompetent.

>>157397252
>twitterfags
Post it, then

>Watch the anime you dumbfuck
The anime which reiterated the same thing you mean?

>????
???? He's not as tired as Goku at all as you can see in the chapter.

>>157397369
The scene you quoted was just to explain SSR you dumb fuck

>>157397382
>Not if i beat the fuck out of you piece of shit

>>157397392
>Trunks being a filler leader
>Hate to see trunks being important
Right

>>lack of Goku and Vegeta saiyan characterization
Not like they have their own arc

>>random humans being useful, which make the villains a fucking joke
Humans aren't considered by zamasu and black, I don't acre about some incoherent scenes, black and zamasu can end them easilu as it was showed at the end

>>also having this flagrant lack of reading comprehension, believing Goku got a power up and Zamasu was fine fighting with Vegetto
>Zamasu was weakened
Nice headcanon

>Goku didn't get a powerup
He's stronger than merged zamasu now, he was since the beginning

>>157397422
>Freezer the emperor of the universe
>Surpassed by a scientist

>Gods need time ring to travel time
>Lul bulma can't fuck with time because she can

>>157397422
>And? That doesn't change the fact that Black was incompetent.
Merged zamasu in the manga is now incompetent, job to goku when he should have killed them after being almost ended by Vegeto

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>>157397129
ssred because why the fuck not

>bullshit power-ups

yep, that never happened in the history of db or shounen ever before.

>>157397482
Kill yourself my man

>>157397534
>Not an argument
>Being this triggered

>>157396049
I can't understand the continued fascination with this. Surely only black people and actual children could still think this is compelling.. Right?

>>157397482
>genius creators are comparable to regular humans stopping Universe tier beings from killing someone.

Again, I don't see how genius creators are comparable to regular humans stopping Universe tier beings from killing someone.

>Merged zamasu in the manga is now incompetent
Not sure what this has to do with complaint about anime Black. but since you're changing the subject I'll assume you've given up.

>>157397482
I swear to god I'm gonna fuck you up.
Where do you live?

>>157397339
>you are right, Vegeta, I was weak as fuck, not even able to go SS because I wasn't in my own body
>but then I discovered the zenkai
>yes, when I'm being healed after take damage, my cells and my body are being more tied!

He was talking about his strength and forms sorry if you are just too dumb to understand a manga for kids

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>>157397482

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>>157397552
>Again, I don't see how genius creators are comparable to regular humans stopping Universe tier beings from killing someone.

I'm not comparing them, the "genius" thing seems to be an excuse for Goku, Gero and Bulma to do bullshit for you it seems.

Gero was never aware about Super Saiyans, but he was able to create cyborg stronger than them?????


And, how did she create a time machine?

>>157397558
>Being this triggered

>>157397609
>I'm not comparing them
Sure.
>you still watch DB after a random human was able to make a time machine, after a random human was able to make cyborg stronger than the emperor of the universe
>Gero was never aware about Super Saiyans, but he was able to create cyborg stronger than them?????
>And, how did she create a time machine?
By being genius creators.

>>157397539
Just end your pathetic existence and do us all including yourself a favor

>>157396802
It was the best fight in Super tbqh

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>>157397558
Sorry but I've already unlocked my ultimate form: Super Saiyan 3 Green. You won't stand a chance against me.

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>>157397680
>genius creators
>easy excuse

>>157397686
pic related

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How powerful is he?

>>157395878
How can anyone say that originall dub is better...

>>157397764
God level, because apparently mafuba helps you seal your ki according to cuckataro

>>157397764
his only training is fapping how the fuck can he beat the wizard Tien?

>>157397799
Tien is a cuck

>>157397136
Villains, especially one with the body of Goku rather than alien/god, aren't immune to blinding flashes

>>157397748
>easy excuse
Not really. Bulma being a genius was established in the first chapter of the series, by creating a device that could track the mystical wish granting Dragon Balls.

During the RRA arc we meet Android 8 someone even stronger than Goku was at the time.

But since you're changing the subject I'll assume you've given up defending this >>157397248

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Who would win??

No ring-outs, anything is allowed except outside help

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IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR

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Daily reminder that they have the same age.

>>157397896
A fucking time machine?

Really?

Cybord stronger than people never discovered by Gero?

>you've given up defending this
I don't carre yeah, not the worst thing from the anime.

Rememebr goku and the rabbit to the moon?

Fucking retard

>>157397023
kek

>>157397896
>Comparing android 8 and android stronger than the emperor of the universe

KYS

>>157398078
future trunks is like 14 here and current trunks is like 8

>>157398078
Toei is pathetic

>>157395878
YES this describes it perfectly!

>>157398210
>Toei is pathetic
>Didn't grow up in the same ways
>Who is DB goku

KYS newfag

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>>157397067
Oh, man. That game had the craziest what-if scenarios
>Piccolo killing Cell with Special Beam Cannon
>Krillin using the one-handed spirit bomb to kill Buu and being the savior of the world
>Ginyu shitstomping everything

>>157398078
Future trunks never used time chamber when he was young.

Gravity can obviously fuck up your height, just like with Vegeta

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>>157398135
>A fucking time machine?
Yeah and?

>Cybord stronger than people never discovered by Gero?
You mean like Android 8?

>I don't carre yeah, not the worst thing from the anime.
Oh it's up there.

>Rememebr goku and the rabbit to the moon?
Dragon Ball was pretty much a gag manga then. Calm down dude.

>Fucking retard
Pic related
>>157398172

>>157397067
Shhh Cell, just relax, and enjoy the ride. Just let me give you a little hug and squeeze, and with a little of my experience, you'll be exploding all over the place in no time.

>>157398294
That doesn't explain the fact that he isn't /fit/ tho

>>157397705
I feel sorry for you if you really think this was the best fight.

>>157398294
He was in the rosat for only a few days.

>>157398313
>Shitty meme pic

Yeah, you seems to be retarded enough to compare an android who is like roshi tier and one who can destroy galaxies.

>Dragon Ball was pretty much a gag manga then
It's still is, funny how goku pass from 80K to 3millions in one zenkai

>>157398373
>He was in the rosat for only a few days.
>A few days

>>157398294
Vegeta's just a manlet

>>157398313
>Dragon Ball was pretty much a gag manga then
>Was
>What is Buu's arc

Fucking KYS you fucking newfag

>>157398430
>Yeah, you seems to be retarded
More Ad Hominem top kek

>compare an android who is like roshi tier
How do you know he's Roshi tier?

>one who can destroy galaxies.
Pretty sure 17 and 18 never destroyed galaxies. Freeza was only planet level. Nice try.

>>157398470
>What is Buu's arc
Not the Future Trunks arc which was stated to more dark then the rest of the series.

Besides even though the Majin arc was lighthearted most of time, the only Gag thing that happened was Kuririn breaking the fourth wall.

>>157398430
Kid Trunks, you slow faggot. He was only a few days in the chamber. It's not enough time to fuck his height.

>>157398615
He trained with his dad in the gravity chamber Bulma made

>>157398078
Why is Kid Trunks such a faggot?

>>157395779
is he dodging a bait?

>>157398510
>MUH AD HOMINEM MEME because i have no argument

>How do you know he's Roshi tier?
I said "like", he may be like, we will never know about his strenght

>Pretty sure 17 and 18 never destroyed galaxies. Freeza was only planet level. Nice try.
>Only planet level
Maybe not galaxies level but he was that:
http://www.t5forums.com/forum/the-vs-sections/general-discussion/calcs/174024-dragon-ball-super-calc-frieza-destroys-planet-vegeta

>>157398580
>the only Gag thing that happened was Kuririn breaking the fourth wall
>Only gag

Fucking KYS, you're obviously trolling at this point

>>157398615
He trained with his dad + he stayed a few month in the time chamber you dumbfuck.

Please kys you waste of flesh

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>Merged Zamasu launch his most powerful attack to hurt Vegeto
>Base Goku and Base Vegeta survive to this

Defend this toyocucks

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>>157398641
>MUH AD HOMINEM MEME
>because i have no argument
Oh the irony

>Maybe not galaxies level
Ah backpedaling I see. Top kek

>we will never know about his strenght
He pretty much outclassed Goku, so did the previous Android until it ran out of energy.

>vs forums calcs
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

>>157398671
>no argument
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>>157398752
>most powerful attack
Nice headcanon

Defend this.

>>157398752
Shit, Never though about that.

How the fuck did they survives to this?

>>157398771
>Buu never break the 4th wall
>Only Krillin did

Fucking KYS

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>>157398816
Didn't even make them bleed like Vegetto.

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>>157398816
>Defend this.
It was a punch, not his most powerful attack, and they were about to be killed in the next frame, unlike merged zamasu who take is time, even though he's the who wasn't able to be durable against Vegeto, even though he's the one with the time limit

>Nice headcanon
Then why he didn't do anything else against the guy who overpowered him?

>Pic related, Goku made him bleed, still keep this scratch

Defend this

>>157398671
>He trained with his dad + he stayed a few month in the time chamber you dumbfuck.
He doesn't train there all the time like Vegeta and he only spent a week in the time chamber, retard.

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>>157398920
>He doesn't train there all the time like Vegeta How do you know?

>he only spent a week in the time chamber
>What hours mean for time chamber when a day=a year

Fucking KYS you waste of flesh

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>Every universe in Super has a mirror version of it
>6 and 7 are the only ones that actually look like doppelgangers of each other

>>157398893
>It was a punch,
And? Nappa punched Tien arms off, plus a punch from Merged Zamasu made Vegetto bleed. >>157398848


>Then why he didn't do anything else against the guy who overpowered him?
Because he clearly couldn't their should have made that clear.
He could only rely on the strongest substance in the universe to cancel it out.

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>>157397713
But anon... That's Broly's form

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>>157399002
>And?
It was a punch, when your merged zamasu punch them multiple times but still survives

>Because he clearly couldn't
>He could only rely on the strongest substance
>Lauched with his own power
>Base Goku and Base Vegeta still survives

>>157399108
Wait how can he do dimensional attack like this?

Was it explained?

>>157397705
Goku and Trunks vs Black and Zamasu >>>>>>>>>>>> Goku vs Jobhan

Android 17 vs Goku >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Goku vs Jobhan
>B-but muh on model animation!

Vegetto vs Zamasu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Goku vs Jobhan

>>157399148
Never explained, merged zamasu can because MUH JANEMBA

It's like black's clones all over again, at least it was assumed
>Lul even myself don't know how I did it

>>157399108
>It was a punch,
Nappa punched Tien arm off, plus a punch from Merged Zamasu made Vegetto bleed >>157398848

>when your merged zamasu punch them multiple times but still survives
He is clearly torturing them there unlike the anime where he's clearly was trying to kill them but failed.

>>157399190
To be fair it's cooler and feels like less of an asspull than the energy scythe that cut open a new dimension full of invincible gas-black clones that Goku and Vegeta couldn't beat that came about because Black got mad.

Holy shit I caught up to the manga. Aside from Black losing his cocky personality, this is straight up 100X better than Toe Animation's garbage shitdumpster that was the end of the Black Saga.

>>157398752
I can't defend this I admit.

What was the point of Merged Zamasu using this technique against Vegeto if base goku and base vegeta are still fine after this?

>>157399190
>It's like black's clones all over again,
Except those were stupid and this is pretty cool desu

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>>157396842
And this is to go further beyond

>>157399258
>To be fair it's cooler and feels like less of an asspull
I would agree if it wasn't used against Base Goku and Base Vegeta, which feels like a waste.

Why using it now?

It was assumed against SSB tier fighter in the anime at least, even if it came out of nowhere.

>>157399276
See above

>>157399320
See >>157399234

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How did Beerus-fags react to pic related?

Did they just deny it and claim Shin doesn't know what he's talking about?

>>157396135
I might add
> Let's casually brush off the fact that if we lose, the multiverse ends. Yep, no big deal. Proving which one of us is stronger is definitely more important

>>157399366
>niggerstream translation

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>>157399234
>He is clearly torturing them there unlike the anime where he's clearly was trying to kill them but failed.
No, he punched them directly when they defused, then was about to kill them, until trunks save them, did you watch the anime?

>Merged Zamasu made Vegetto bleed

Pic related, then Base Goku and Base Vegeta survive to his punch.

What about this >>157398752

>>157399453
DESU, I'm mad how Toyo made Vegeta's training useless.

I was fine with the previous chapter but this one made me mad, I expected trunks to do more than healing.

I didn't expect a bullshit way to make Goku the superior protagonist again.

Why toyo why?

>>157399453
The Vegeta SSG shit was stupid too.
Vegeta was losing to black because black was just more powerful than SSB.
Yet somehow depowering into SSG between attacks made him stronger? I could understand if he was losing in stamina, but he was just weaker.

>>157398967
He didn't spend an entire day (a year inside) in the time chamber, dumbass. He was there for only a few hours (a week inside).

>>157397764
As much as he needs to be

viz translation today right?

>>157399500
>DESU, I'm mad how Toyo made Vegeta's training useless.

Both Toyo and Toei made it useless. I guess we can blame Toriyama for this one then.

>>157399536
1 hour is 2 weeks. He spent several months in there, if not a full year.

>>157399567
>Both Toyo and Toei made it useless
They needed Vegeto to kill merged zamasu in the anime, Goku is the one doing everything again while Vegeta's suck his dick

It's much worse in the manga

>>157399530
>I could understand if he was losing in stamina
But that's exactly how it is in the manga you retard.

Vegeta was losing to Black because his SSB was losing stamina like in the tournament. Black had just obtained SS Rose which is equal to SSB in the manga since it's literally the same form.

SSG didn't have the stamina issue and didn't have too big a power gap. The point of Vegeta switching between it and SSB was that his strikes had the full power of SSB and he didn't lose stamina.

Black was no more powerful than Goku as SSB. Only when Vegeta lost his stamina was the playing field not even anymore.

>>157399624
Goku was still doing better against black even before he fused in the anime. Both the anime and the manga pretty much forgot about the training after a couple chapters/episodes of fighting.

>>157397067
Why Cell didn't just used his Perfect Barrier? Atleast Raditz was a retard with no real techniques to save him, huh.

>>157399366
the furries still live in denial

Trunks Arc

First half of the Arc : Manga > Anime

Second Half: Anime > Manga

Black: Anime > Manga

Zamasu: Manga > Anime

Goku & Vegeta: Manga > Anime

Trunks: Anime > Manga

Kaioshin: Manga > Anime

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>>157399567
>I guess we can blame Toriyama
HAHAHA

Toriyama never stated that goku will be as strong as merged zamasu.

The beam clash didn't make sense in the anime indeed but goku needed kaioken to attack merged zamasy physically.

Here, it's just his own strenght, Vegeta's training was useless if Goku was stronger than merged zamasu from the start

>Goku was still doing better against black even before he fused in the anime
No, when vegeta trained in the ROF, Goku didn't do shit against black

>a human would been able to defeat a galactic emperor because he created warriors stronger than the emperor itself
>so literal gods of the universe running away from gas (gas that they can push back with their minds alone) is fine

wait what

>>157398201
>current trunks is like 8

But that is wrong you fucking retard.

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>>157398990
That's because they've barely shown us anything about the other universes.
>>157399366
>niggastream

>>157399703
>Goku & Vegeta: Manga > Anime
I don't agree with this part.

I loved how they cooperate with each other in the episode 65, their Vegeto was also much better

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Why is he so weak in the manga?

I loved how overpowered he was in the anime

His craziness against Vegeto was fun

>>157399367
It's Vegeta. He let Cell absorb 18 just to fester his pride, only to get his ass kicked effortlessly and his Final Flash made a mockery of.

You basically have to dangle Bulma infront of his face to get him to stop going "MUH PRIDE"

>>157399664
Black was shown to be stronger than goku and vegeta many times. And it was also said he was holding back so he could receive enough damage to zenkai. Vegeta lost to base black first and then he was getting his ass kicked by Rose.

Vegeta being able to fight a little longer would have changed nothing.

>>157399707
What goku is doing in the manga is the manga version of the kaioken. In the anime goku wasn't as strong as merged zamasu, but he was stronger than Vegeta, despite vegeta having almost a year of extra training on him.
>Goku didn't do shit against black
Goku got mad when Zamasu insulted his waifu and slapped Black around a good bit, much better than Vegeta was doing at that point. Then his Kamehameha was as strong as Vegeta + Trunks.
Both mediums ignored the fact vegeta trained for months while goku fucked around with the Mafuba.

>>157399436
>he punched them directly when they defused
Exactly he tried to kill and failed. Even after a punch from him made SSB Vegetto bleed.

>then Base Goku and Base Vegeta survive to his punch.

>He is clearly torturing them there unlike the anime where he's clearly was trying to kill them but failed.

Hell even in your pic he's testing out his powers.

>>157399266
>any Black
>not cocky
He's cocky, he's just a savage version of Zamasu (what he's supposed to be), not Freeza+Xicor like he's in the anime
and I'm not bitching about it, I enjoyed a lot his personality in the anime but pretend he's not Xicor and Freeza fusion is stupid

>>157399750
I think you're right, kind of

Vegeta: Anime > Manga

But no way anime Goku Is better than Manga Goku

>>157399703
>Kaioshin: Manga > Anime
Is this counting for just Shin or both Shin and Gowasu? Either way I agree.

>>157399500
>Toyo made Vegeta's training useless.
Literally never happened
See >>157396201 >>157396331

>>157399802
Regular Zamasu is weak

>>157399811
>Goku got mad when Zamasu insulted his waifu
Yeah, it was before VEGETA TRAINING, learn to read

>Then his Kamehameha was as strong as Vegeta + Trunks
Vegeta was fighting black before, didn't use all his strenght for the beam.

Goku was just stalling with zamasu, much weaker than black

For the beam, Vegeta's arms weren't fucked up , goku's arms were after the beam

And indeed, the beam isn't truly coherent but physically, physically, goku needed kaioken

>>157399821
>>He is clearly torturing them there unlike the anime where he's clearly was trying to kill them but failed.
>Let's ignore the next frame in the anime where zamasu was about to end them "KIERO, NINGENS" then trunks save them

>Exactly he tried to kill and failed
Nice headcanon

He tried to end them AFTER THIS PUNCH

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>>157399802
>I loved how overpowered he was in the anime

>>157399896
>Their own way
>Hey Vegeta! Actually I was stronger than black from the start but I will let you get fucked by Black

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>>157399923

I like how SSB hasn't been sullied in the manga, it's an unbeatable transformation.

meanwhile in the anime...

>>157399958
Can confirm Zamasu is worthless

>people don't get it

Merged Zamasu wasn't supposed to be Vegetto tier at all. Goku fighting merged Zamasu alone, his Kamehameha injuring Zamasu, some focus on their fight while other ones are powerless... that's clearly from Toriyama's outline since it's in both versions, that's why Goku and Black never fought in the manga, because if Goku is supposed to struggle with merged Zamasu at the end of the arc (and his strength is the same at the beginning) he must be stronger than Black, so they can't fight, it must be Vegeta who fight and train in order to surpass Black.
Black was supposed to be a challenge for Vegeta while Zamasu is just a weakling so merged Zamasu is slightly stronger than Black and he and Goku fight near to the climax of the arc, that's why merged Zamasu needed a power up in the anime to struggle with Vegetto, because his strength was never supposed to be comparable to SSB Vegetto's, he's just SSB Goku tier (but this make no sense in the anime because Zamasu is already comparable to a SSB/SSA and Black is stronger than SSB Goku and SSB Vegeta together)

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>>157399923
>>157399958

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>>157399959
We'll have to wait and see how Toyo handles pic related.

>>157399959
>I like how SSB hasn't been sullied in the manga, it's an unbeatable transformation.
You what?
In the manga SSB vegeta was getting manhandled by super saiyan blond Black.

>>157399923
super really is shit about graphics and animations

>>157399988
Yeah that was after he asked for a powerup here >>157399958
in response to getting rekted by Goku.

>>157399979
>Vegeta must stay as the eternal jobber
>New things aren't good
>Fusion betweens gods can't be overpowered
>Let's suck saiyanjins cocks again

>>157398752

They aren't under any blocks. Zamasu missed each and every shot.

>>157399946
That was Vegeta fault

>muh pride
>I want to defeat him Kakarotto let me alone

>>157400012
>super really is shit
Fixed for you.

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>>157400019
Yeah, he's sensible, he cried at the end, remember?

Also pic related, physically, goku and co weren't a threat to him

>>157400043
>Zamasu didn't touch them
>Wow what a luck

>>157400044
>DB fanbase didn't grow up, they love eating the same shit again and again right?

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>>157400069
>goku and co weren't a threat to him
See >>157399923
Pic related is after getting overpowered by Trunks and Vegeta

>>157400102

>Couldn't aim
>Zamasu a shit

>>157400029
What do you expect of a weak ass kai?
All the power came from Black and it barely increased because of the power difference, only reason he's doing okay is because he's half immortal now.
also Trunks is a cuck

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Taking requests, give me something good and I'll try my best

>>157400159
Draw Goku

>>157400108
>Physically
Leard to rend ningens

>getting overpowered by Trunks and Vegeta
He seems fine, he seems to be mad about their resistance

Again, i'm talking about pure strenght, beams can level up your energy as it was stated with piccolo and goku vs radditz

Also, I did said that the beams weren't truly incoherent but merged zamasu in the didn't jobbed as much as in the manga

See >>157399802 he's on the ground, on his fucking knees, thanks to physical attacks without kaioken

>>157400159
>that face
>that arm
I'd rather not.

>>157400108
that's because he got cocky and he wasn't hurt by their combined beam...

>>157400208
How would you improve it? Could you draw it your way and I can see?

>>157400156
>Muh cuck buzzword
>My headcanon about fusion potala
>Kai must be weak, only saiyans are allowed to be relevant, except Vegeta the eternal jobber

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>>157400207
>Physically

>>157400207
>beams can level up your energy as it was stated with piccolo and goku vs radditz
So? Zamasu's Ki blast should have leveled up as well.

>>157400029
What the fuck are you saying? Vegeta being a jobber, merged Zamasu struggling Goku and these things are Toriyama outline and are in both versions
I don't care about changes of toei's version the issue is it makes no sense. How can Goku fight merged Zamasu if he was way weaker than Black? Why is merged Zamasu so weak if future Zamasu was also SSB tier? Why make Zamasu struggle with Vegetto because power up if he will be defeated by SSB-like Trunks (who is SSB Vegeta tier)? Why not make Goku fight merged Zamasu with KK the entire fight instead make his vanilla Kamehameha stronger than m-Zamasu's supernova while SSB-like Trunks and SSB Vegeta father-son Garlick gun failed? Both versions can work but Toei just failed

>>157400247
>Well can you do it yourself huh?
But honestly I've seen much worse, the right arm is too long and the face is too narrow otherwise it's okay.

>>157399811
>Black was shown to be stronger than goku and vegeta many times.
*in the anime
In the manga Black was getting his ass kicked as an SS2 by Vegeta who was toying around with him while SSB. Then the stamina drain kicked in when Black became SSR.

Like shit man, stop trying to apply the anime's dumb logic to the manga. It makes sense that Black is only as strong as Goku considering it's his body.

>>157398294
Gohan came out of the HBT just fine

>>157400304
Thanks, yeah I changed the pose a couple times while drawing it so it ended up looking a little off

>>157400343
If you drew it from scratch without reference it's pretty impressive actually. You just have to work on the face and the arm and it will be great.

>>157400263
Merged zamasu was still shocked by the beams you dumbfuck, he didn't react for that.

>>157400293
As I said, Goku just leveled up his strenght faster by going all out, and i've also said that it's incoherent.

But physically, Merged zamasu was never overpowered without surprise kaioken.

In the manga, he's overpowered by normal goku SSB

>>157400303
>Vegeta being a jobber, merged Zamasu struggling Goku and these things are Toriyama outline and are in both versions

Goku never overpowered merged zamasu with his own strenght in the anime, they needed vegeto and marye sue trunks to end him

>How can Goku fight merged Zamasu
They didn't beat him, just damaged him, goku was in better shape because he didn't fough black.

Goku surpass completely merged zamasu in the manga, completely.


>Why is merged Zamasu so weak if future Zamasu was also SSB tier
He's not weak you dumbfuck, he's sensible and was able to put a fight against vegeto

>vanilla Kamehameha
Goku's arms were fucked up

>SSB-like Trunks and SSB Vegeta father-son Garlick gun failed
Vegeta fought black before

>>157400391
is this a naruto refrence???

>>157400383
Yeah I did it from memory, trying to teach myself to do stuff without reference. Thanks

>>157400359
>>157400391
>>157400423
>Triggered toyocucks using the same meme pics because they're mad about their chapter being criticized.

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>>157400207
>>157400263
>Physically

>>157400257
>weak ass kai not weak
>the same faggot who literally wished for a stronger body because he's so shit
Also Goku is way better than that fag Trunks.

>>157400469
Yeah, It was after the final kamehameha, it was also stated that the two sould within him made his unstable
>>157400490

>Also Goku is way better than that fag Trunks.
>What is hybrid saiyans
>Who is gohan

>>157400563
>Yeah, It was after the final kamehameha,
Which did shit to him.

>>157400503
See >>157400467

>>157400582
>Which did shit to him
Nice headcanon, Vegeto was about to end him with his punch, remember when Vegeto said " SAY GOODBYE"?

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>tfw still nothing about Universe 6 nameks

>>157400598
>Vegeto was about to end him with his punch
Exactly because his previous attack didn't do shit.

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>>157400310
>In the manga Black was getting his ass kicked as an SS2 by Vegeta who was toying around with him while SSB. Then the stamina drain kicked in when Black became SSR.
he actually gave Vegeta trouble as SSJB with an inferior transformation Manga makes no fucking sense

>>157400631
>Everything that isn't a killing blow does jack shit
???

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>>157400655

>>157400303
>Why is merged Zamasu so weak if future Zamasu was also SSB tier?
Except in the manga future Zamasu is stated to be weaker than Trunks making him, at best, weaker than SS3, and at worst, worse than SS2.

Which again, makes sense in the manga continuity as Kais have never been shown to reach levels beyond that point 'til Zamasu in the anime.

Stop trying to apply anime logic to the manga you filthy ningen.

>Goku & Vegeta
>Saiyan's Pride
>"Leave it to me!"
>Zamasu goes Madman
>Goku: "Xeno-sama, can you please erase this man?"

>>157400670
Kamehameha is a finishing move. So yeah if it didn't do any visible damage and Vegetto needed do another afterwards then yes it didn't do jack shit.

>>157399601
No he didn't. Read the manga, trunks says they were there for a week.

>>157400681
Again, this is where the stamina drain Vegeta had was becoming evident. It was a big part of Vegeta training to switch to SSG and back.

Black was also in the process of obtaining SSR at this point.

>>157400631
>Exactly because his previous attack didn't do shit.
>Technique can't damage your enemy

Kill yourself you fucking retard

>>157400771
>Ad Hominem
>no argument
Top kek

>>157400742
>A finishing technique can't be used to weaken your opponent before finishing him
???

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>>157399994

we can add more

>>157400799
Ad hominem =/= insult
Try reading on the term you're using before making a fool of yourself, you idiot.

>>157400799
>>Ad Hominem
Then i guess merged zamasu wasn't weakened in the manga, goku is just stronger than him

>>157400841
Toyocucks are retarded underages, leave them be.

Mangafags are respectable at least, they recognize the drop of quality since chapter 23

>>157400689
To add on to that, the difference between Black and future Zamasu in strength is such a huge gap that the power added when they fused would likely not be that much. The main benefits in the manga are a combination of immortality, Black's strength, Zamasu's magical abilities, and that fusing two of the same person seems to make controlling his body to do what he wants easier. It's why Vegito was able to completely curbstomp him. He's strong, but not overpowered to the point that a full-power SSB couldn't hold him off for a while until the fusion wears off.

>>157400841
>>157400841
>Try reading on the term you're using before making a fool of yourself
Right back at you.

>Argument is one that relies on personal attacks rather than reason or substance.

>>157397998
genie

>>157399802
Disadvantages of fusing while transformed. He's immortal but the stamina drain from the black half is still happening while he's SSRose.

>>157400753
>Using retarded translation

Let me help you.

A year=365 days

1 day=a year in rot

a day=24 hours

24 hours=365 days

24 hours=1440 minute

365/1440= 0.23=0,2534722222222222

7*0,2534722222222222= 3,54

A week is 3 minute you fucking retard

Kill yourself

>>157396894
It'll probably be Super Saiyan but with Goku having black hair instead, like the OP kinda shows.

>>157400884
Yes, so we do agree on this. So saying "fuck off retard" isn't an Ad hominem, it's just saying "fuck off retard".
I don't expect a literal mouthbreathing retard like you to understand nuance, though.

>>157400951
>He's immortal but the stamina drain from the black
Say that to the guy who said that merged zamasu wasn't weakened after a final kamehameha in the anime.

In his logic, merged zamasu wasn't weakened in the manga

>>157400962
>more Ad hominem
Top kek

I'll take that as you giving up.

>>157400953
Toyocucks BTFO

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>>157400428
>They didn't beat him, just damaged him
Which is not an argument since I never said the opposite.

>He's not weak you dumbfuck, he's sensible
Are you on drugs or something? A fusion between anime future Zamasu and anime Black would be like merged Zamasu was... at the end. But no, he needed a power up to be that strong, he's naturaly weak.

>vanilla SSB Goku beating the supernova created by two SSB-tier guys is fine because Goku's arms were fucked up
Are you even trying?

>Goku never overpowered merged zamasu with his own strenght in the anime
>Vegeta fought black before but Goku didn't
>Goku surpass COMPLETELY merged zamasu in the manga
Looks like you aren't since you're just lying here
Also these aren't even points


>>157400689
>Except in the manga
I'm talking about the anime you idiot. Manga's version makes sense, while anime's doesn't.

Why do you still keep up with this.

They're literally shitting in your mouth content wise, on the delivery, in EVERY aspect of entertainment. They probably have shitty interns drawing the animations or outsource it to some pajeet company.

>>157401007
Saying "You're fucking retarded" is an insult.
Using something you did or something you said out of context and using it as an argument in a conversation is an Ad hominem.

>>157400819


You know how Toei retconned Hit being stronger than SSBx10 Goku.
Where Goku only needed SSB to defeat his timeskip in in their rematch

People try to rationalize by saying post FT arc Goku and Vegeta are ten time stronger than Champa arc Goku and Vegeta.

So add that aswell.

>>157401039
>supernova created by two SSB-tier guys fused

>>157401065
See >>157400884

>>157401039
>he needed a power up
It was his own strenght you dumb fuck, he was just "holding back" because when he's going all out, he became more unstable and ugly.

>Are you even trying?
Are you retarded?

I've said it's incoherent but your claims is bullshit because it wasn't a normal kamehameha you dumbfuck, please show me a "vanilla" kamehameha where goku couldn't use his arms after that since he has gone beyond his limits

>Looks like you aren't since you're just lying here
>Merged zamasu was never surpassed physically
>Physically
>he's surpassed physically in the manga

>>157401092
See>>157395812

>>157401133
>he was just "holding back
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

> because when he's going all out, he became more unstable and ugly.
Nah that's because Goku fucked up his face.

>>157401092
So I'm right?

>>157400655
You forgot manga Black have fucking god ki even without use god forms?
In the manga Goku and Vegeta can't use god ki in "ningen forms", only a god like Black can, he's a SS with god power, it's equivalent to Goku or Vegeta's SSG. He's already a god by default so his SSG form is just regular SS and then he goes further beyond with SSR

>>157401161
No, you're wrong.

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>>157400957
Nope

>>157401193
See >>157401007

>>157401193
Mind explaining where, instead of linking your post again?

>>157401159
>Nah that's because Goku fucked up his face.
>What is gowasu's words about zamas's and black's soul

>>157401159
Gowasu stated that merged zamasu is unstable, the more powerful he is, the more bio broly shit he became

Because of that, his regeneration was less and less effective, because he was getting mad

>>157401221
My posts explain why
>>157400884
>Argument is one that relies on personal attacks rather than reason or substance.
That describes your post perfectly.

>>157401004
>Say that to the guy who said that merged zamasu wasn't weakened after a final kamehameha in the anime.
Why do niggers keep applying anime logic to the manga?

What Toei does doesn't even make sense half the time. They had Tien job to Master Roshi for fucks sake.

Don't even bring up the anime when trying to contradict the manga. I'm not saying the manga doesn't have inconsistencies, but it's a separate continuity. Zamasu is effectively a different character in the manga than the anime, with different powers, weaknesses, and strength. Stop acting like Zamasu being Vegito level in the anime means he's Vegito level in the manga. Future Zamasu wasn't even SS3 level.

>>157401225
>>157401265
>What is gowasu's words about zamas's and black's soul
Yeah after Goku fucked up his face. Gowasu's words were to explain why he couldn't heal from that.

>>157401286
How is >>157401065
a personal attack?

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>>157401212
that's Zamasu's blade

>>157401333
Nice try
See >>157400771

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>>157401133
>he was just holding back
OK you are full shitposter right now

>vanilla SSB Goku beating the supernova created by two SSB-tier guys fused is fine because Goku fucked up his arms in the process
Nope, it's still bullshit, anon.

>anime merged Zamasu was never surpassed physically
Except he was!

>he was in the manga
He and Goku are struggling the entire fight, physically and energetically, no one is superior, they are equal.
Who cares anyway? That's not even a point, what are you trying?

>>157401364
That's not me, and that post contained an argument in the form of
>>Technique can't damage your enemy
Now answer me, how is >>157401065
a personal attack?

>>157401412
>That's not me,
Sure anon sure.

>that post contained an argument
Not really just pointless green text.

>how is >>157401065
a personal attack?
See >>157401364

>>157401030
They proved numerous times that they don't know shit about the original manga.

Maybe it's the reason why they enjoy the rehashed things from DBS manga, because they're super's baby

>>157401298
>Why do niggers keep applying anime logic to the manga?
>triggered /pol/tard

>They had Tien job to Master Roshi for fucks sake
Tien walked straight to roshi's most powerful attack

>'m not saying the manga doesn't have inconsistencies
Good, that's what I wanted to hear

>but it's a separate continuity. Zamasu is effectively a different character in the manga than the anime, with different powers, weaknesses, and strength. Stop acting like Zamasu being Vegito level in the anime means he's Vegito level in the manga. Future Zamasu wasn't even SS3 level.

Yeah, I agree, personally, I'm just saiying that Merged zamasu is much weaker in the manga than in the anime, which dissapoint me.

I'm not the one who said that it's incoherent

>>157401393
>OK you are full shitposter right now
It was proved that he didn't go all out

>Nope, it's still bullshit, anon.
Goku didn't fought black before, Vegeta did

>Except he was!
You didn't prove it until now beside beam, when in the manga, he's surpassed physically, he's much weaker than his anime counterpart, just admit it

>He and Goku are struggling the entire fight, physically and energetically, no one is superior
Goku has the upper hand in this fight, did you see the scans?

Goku is superior, Goku is only struggling because he has to keep his FSSB

>>157401495
Come back another day. See >>157401497

>>157401393
Anime Merged Zamasu being surpassed by Goku felt more bullshit due to future Zamasu having become essentially SSB in strength.

Is Gohan going to hold back against the WAN TAN DAN?

>>157401495
Just fucking end your life. It's not worth arguing with you toyocucks, it's incredible how fucking far up your ass you all are, you can't form a single fucking argument and even if you somehow find the mental capability to search the definition of an expression on the internet all you are able to do is link to it again and again without even understanding it, or explaining it.
I don't even give a fuck about the manga but all you mangafags make me hate it so much.

>>157401497
>niggers
>/pol/tard
white people can be niggers too you nigger.

>>157401495
see >>157401143

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>>157401524
This desu

>>157401559
>white people can be niggers too you nigger.
Holy fucking newfag, that's snow nigger for you.

Niggers, cucks, just buzzword for shitposting

>>157401558
See >>157401007

>>157401598
See >>157401412

>>157401574
>A kai is finally relevant
Good

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>Toriyama states that SSG gave Goku a permament power boost and the form will never come back again because of this since Goku in base form equals to SSG (the whole Saiyan Beyond God shit)
>Toei mostly respects this but they nerf the power boost shit and also extend it to the other SSJ transformations probably for marketing
>Toyotaro the special snowflake does his own weird thing instead completely ignoring what Toriyama wanted

Defend this Toyocucks

>>157401598
See>>157397080