>a NEET gets run over by truck-kun >and gets isekai'd

>>157353239
When a new fad delivers all of the same wish-fulfillment highs in a new setting that's just as easy to write.

Protip: isekai isn't popular because people like it a lot. It's popular because it's really fucking easy to write. Like, really, really easy. Any amateur with some spare time can pump out 500 pages worth of isekai fiction where even 10 pages of a real story might stumble them. The amateur publishing market is consequently flooded with them, and since they're easy to write, they also pull in casual fans that find themselves inspired to create from other's work.

We only see about the top .01% of isekai that float to the top by popular recognition, get republished as an LN, then adapted as an anime. The fad is fueled by the ease of creating the subject material, sort of like the popularity of shitty chinese manufacturing.

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Never.
Enjoy your stay.

When we get tired of the cute girls.

>>157353239
>a NEET
lost me there

>>157353323
What's the western equivalent of isekai then?

Another worthless thread by a phonefag.

Why do you watch what you don't like?
Do you get angry at all the romance anime as well, despite the fact that there is no one forcing you to watch them?

He didn't get run over.
Also Steal isn't cheating or OP.

>>157353420
Cop shows, probably.

>>157353429
Every shitsekai show is potentially a production slot that could've gone to something better instead.

>>157353420
Urban fantasy or post apocalyptic, probably.

>>157353483
No, it's an advertisement for an LN series. If your "something better" was promising to money lenders, they'd finance it as well. The amount of anime being produced per season has increased to an extraordinary degree.
Furthermore, isekai only make up a very small part of the total amount of anime being produced. You are being dramatic over nothing.

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>>157353239
Name literally one anime that does this.
Note that I said anime and not web novel.

>>157353473
I think the pic was only a reaction image, anon, and not an example. Kazuma only meets two things in that list.

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>>157353239
>and he knows how to make mayo too
My sides. I watched the first season of SAO to see what the fuss was about and holy shit it was bad. Could not bring myself to watch the second season. How can that shit be so popular?
Konosuba on the other hand was hilarious. S3 when?

>>157353566
>every single dumb trope
>hilarious
Meh

>>157353239
You know, I notice that even though Konosuba tries to rag on every other dumb trope present in isekai there's a shocking lack of Japanese food wank, satirical or otherwise. Which is especially weird given how hedonistic Kazuma is.

>>157353420
I wouldn't know. For an equivalent, you'd be looking at some fanfiction template scenario so ubiquitous that anyone with a keyboard could write something for it. Probably some permutation of smut.

I should also point out that isekai being a big deal in Japan is part because otaku culture is very, very visually-oriented, but many fans don't really have the skills to contribute visually. A big, popular prose fad brings all the people with no other creative skills into the participatory nature of creating amateur content.

Comparable western subcultures already tend to be more prose-focused than visual, and there's a long historical context for that, but it also means that you're less likely to see a singular, dominating long-term fad like isekai.

>>157353239
>When will it end, /a/?
Considering that the last two notable examples of this genre were parodies - probably soon.

>>157353761
Considering that we're getting theee of them next season - probably not.

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>>157353780
But are they getting watched?
Remember when every other anime was a clone of Evangelion? That ended rather quick.

>>157353420
Procedural crime show with a 'case of the week' formula and very slight character development over the course of entire seasons.

>>157353780
Didn't Kadokawa just ban Isekaishitu from their next novel competition?

>>157353908
This isn't the first time it has happened. Most competitions ban isekai from these contests, and have for a while now.

>>157353706

I think it's because the author expanded on the worlds cuisine itself, usually for the typical isekai it's just western food before the MC comes in and introduces the wonders of soy sauce.

>>157353420

Crime shows, turn on TV and have a look there is tons of them with the same bland formulas and the difference between them is on the same level as isekais.

>>157353420
Police drama

>>157353927
>I think it's because the author expanded on the worlds cuisine itself, usually for the typical isekai it's just western food before the MC comes in and introduces the wonders of soy sauce.
More like the other Japanese have already introduced the world to the wonders of Japanese cuisine before Kazuma ever even arrived.

Explain to me Mayo.

Why do the Japanese love it so much they have to make it in their fiction?

>>157353474
>>157353879
>>157353968
>>157353973
Is there a decent anime police drama or crime show?

>>157353992

I had jap mayo once it was pretty nice.

>>157353239
Personally see no problems here.

>>157353992
Jap mayo is sweetened and has a fuckload of sugar. It doesn't taste anything like real mayo.

>>157354015
Some would say Detective Conan is decent.

>>157354015
Patlabor

>>157353968
>Crime shows
Except The Wire and Sopranos exist.

>>157354048
>>157354016
>Its sweetened and fuckload of sugar
>Doesn't taste anything like real mayo
>Nothing like real mayo.
Thanks for the explanation. Japs continue to have shit taste.

>>157354109
There's a context to it Jap mayo is basically western ketchup, and is used much the same way. It's 'the sweet thing' people with no culinary appreciation put on everything. Just like ketchup in the west, parents douse their kid's food with it to make them eat, so there's the association of someone putting tonnes of mayo on everything with being childish or having childish tastes. The cute anime girl dousing her rice in mayo is like the american neckbeard putting ketchup on his well-done steak.

It's a denigrating character detail because jap mayo is a 'low brow' condiment for kids and uncultured urbanites.

>>157354048
Is your definition of "real mayo" the one found in the US? Because it's very different from the original French one.

>>157354198
Are you seriously triggered by the word 'real' with regards to a shitty condiment?

>>157354233
Yes.

Chikyuu Tenseisha no Koroshikata

Why was this discontinued?
It was a great read

>>157354233
If you can care enough to call Japanese mayo "[unlike] real majo", then you should permit others to care enough to correct you on what real majo is.

>>157353420
Something vs zombie

>>157354293
>majo
*mayo
I need more sleep.

>>157353420
Post apocalyptic with a dash of either sci-fi or zombies or even your good old kawadodee&clones

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>>157354293
>majo
Witches get stitches

>>157354193
>Ketchup
>Sweet
>Ketchup
>No culinary appreciation.
Are you implying Ketchup is sweet and a shit?

>>157354193
This. Fantasy people being amazed by nip mayo is telling the nip audience 'look how much more cultured and mature you are compared to these barbarians', and the japs love being racist.

>>157354344
To most people ketchup and soy sauce are two different things.

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>>157353239
Quit bitching. You aren't old enough to remember, but LN fads were much worse 10 years ago.

>>157354198
Mayo originated in Spain not France, so get out of here loser. The US mayo is different from the original Spanish one.

Why the fuck are you fucks arguing about mayo and ketchup when both are sacrilegious to anything culinary.

>>157354048
>>157354109
Except isekai MC always use legit mayo recipes to create their mayo.

Of course you can just chalk that up to Narou authors having no fucking idea that their precious nip mayo is actually nowhere close to the real thing and automatically assuming that the first thing that comes up when they google mayo recipe will taste just like the stuff they buy at the konbini.

>>157354344
Nigga do you know how much high fructose corn syrup they put in that shit like come on.

>>157354388
Do you know nothing about google?
If a Japanese person googles mayo recipes, they will get recipes for Japanese mayo.

>>157354370
Aside from Hidan no Aria every one of those LN is better than 99% of the schlock that came after them.

>>157354412
Ketchup can describe many different things.

>>157354370
All of them are fundamentally different.
One is a fantasy isekai, another a shonen battle with power levels, One an romcom SoL, one is a gag manga.

>>157353520
>The amount of anime being produced per season has increased to an extraordinary degree.
This. I used to watch nearly everything that airs and before it was 7-10 shows at most. Now seasons are full of different shows and I'm not even able to check out every first episode now.

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>>157354387
Mayo and Ketchup are some serious shit.

As long as we can agree Mustard is fucking shit we're all good.

>>157354370
>Flat and has a complex about it
So all Japanese women? Of course they're going to write about what they know.

>>157353566
tbf the first arc of SAO was decent

>>157353239
Kazuma didn't get run over by a truck though. He died of embarrassment from NOT getting ran over. And it was a tractor not a truck.

>>157354415
Recipes always tend towards being more faithful to the original than adjusting towards popular tastes.

Same thing would happen to an American googling pasta recipes.

>>157354370
>Zero no Tsukaima
That was a rather fun isekai,

>>157354506
Yeah, the intro episodes were pretty good. Then the actual plot started.

>>157354519
>Goes into shock and pisses himself
>Has heart attack in hospital and dies while the doctors and nurses laugh at him

I don't blame Aqua for laughing at his death.

>>157354506
Fuck no it ain't.
I started liking SAO after it went into notIsekai Alicization

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>>157353239
might I also remember you and everyone else that this canonically happenes every night?

>>157354506
Liz episode was the best. Fuck Asuna

>>157354652
Even in games you can never get away from Asuna.

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>>157354652
>I LOVE YOU
>HUH WHAT DID YOU SAY

>>157354572
>spoiler
But then it all went to shit after Admin bossfight.

>>157354458
So are most of the series people bitch about now.
SAO is largely a drama about a guy who plays video games, Konosuba is primarily a comedy, ReMonster is self insert wank, Log Horizon is macro management wanking, a bunch of other series are sol hijinks. Isekei is just a plot device, not the factor which decides the quality of the work.

>>157354506
I also watched it when I was underage and I thought it was the best thing ever. Just as the years passed I realized how horribly wrong I was the second part of season one was absolute shit even then though

So with Akasic Records selling well LN wise. I expect acktually there to be a Battle Harem where MC uses anti magical abilities to become the strongest.

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>>157353239
>nice and modest
>strong
have we been watching the same anime? He's a huge dick to most of the chicks all the time and he isn't strong either

>>157354792
I don't think OP is talking about Konosuba specifically but to be fair most of the girls fall for Kazuma due to that tiny glimmer of kindness under all his dickassery.

He's also a pretty good fighter even if he isn't straight up strong.

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>get isekaid
>in a fantasy world with your usual settings: guild, adventurers, demon lord, various races, could be medieval/semi advance with techno magic
>wonder why you have a tremendous amount of power and shit, get used to it
>never fall with any girls because you deem it pointless
>along the way you discovered that you are the demon lord
>your life become dismal and bland
>made a contract with some deity that you will kill your fellow demon lord in order to become human
>you become weaker every time you slain a demon lord
>you will never have a permanent party members because they keep dying in every demon lord encounter except you

>>157354792
OP is talking about isekai in general, not Konosuba which is an obvious parody.

>>157354792

He most likely did but the point of that post flew over your head.

>>157354792
OP only posted konosuba pic because the series specifically makes fun of the stereotypes that he has described

>>157353239
Name 3 (three) isekai that has all of this. Dumb phoneposter.

>>157354870
>along the way you discovered that you are the demon lord
>your life become dismal and bland
>made a contract with some deity that you will kill your fellow demon lord in order to become human
>you become weaker every time you slain a demon lord
>you will never have a permanent party members because they keep dying in every demon lord encounter except you
What kind of pansy moralfag are you? Just revel in that shit. Why piss it all away?

>>157354924
This, tbf. If I ever got isekai'd and became the demon lord instead of the hero, I'd roll with that shit gladly, in a heartbeat.

>>157353239
But mayonnaise is amazing
I feel you tho

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>>157354487
Do japs mix those two?
In Russia some people here do this (we call it ketchunes) and I was always wondering how common it is for others.

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>>157354905
I can name a bunch that do everything aside from truck-kun but the only one that does all of them I can name off the top of my head has is Seirei Gensouki.

>>157354962
I'm surprised there aren't more isekai about being the demon lord rather than a hero

>>157355102
It's called thousand island dressing senpai.

>>157354720
>SAO is largely a drama about a guy who plays video games
No anon, SAO isn't isekai since it's VRMMO but it is still a self-insert wank.

>>157355153
Thanks

>>157355102
Mayo and Ketchup mixed together exist in the states Anon. We call it Fry Sauce.

Its good man.

>>157355149
Agreed. Though I suppose Overlord counts?
I only just finished watching that last night. Albest is so much better than Shittier it's unbelievable. Also, I really want to read ahead now.

desu, I think it's an idea with a lot of potential, but I worry that an anime will come along to try it out and ruin the idea by being a shitty isekai parody rather than playing it straight.

>>157354924
I'll just roll with it by resigning as a demon lord and going on a journey.

>>157353323
>i isn't popular because people like it a lot
This is wrong and you're not making much sense. It is the audience asking for it because they like it a lot. Especially since it managed to pull in people with different fulfilling needs and variety like Shoujo/otome reincarnation, Edge/revenge wank, Modern Technology wank and so on.
Simple demand and supply.

Is there an isekai where MC got betrayed by his party members whom he journeyed until the end?

Or when an MC got summoned, he murdered everyone because he is not going to be a little bitch accepting orders from random strangers?

>>157355256
You sound kind of edgy, my man. Take it easy, maybe?

>>157354506
>>157354962
>tbf
Fuck off.

>>157355256
Yes Nidome no Yusha and Wortenia Senki. Be careful the first one though its edge is sharp.

>>157355256
Check these two
Nidome no yuusha and summoned slaughterer.

If you want suffering, read Eliza

>>157355300
To be fair, you're allowed to hate common internet abbreviations.
However, wouldn't you rather not waste your effort on something so trivial? It just makes you look like a cunt, mate.

>>157355340

>It just makes you look like a cunt, mate.

He clearly is one.

>>157355340
I'd rather be a cunt than accept this newest evasion of the filter.

>>157355394
>evasion of the filter
OK, you've lost me. Don't know what you're talking about, I was just using a common term. At this point, I don't care enough to figure out whatever nonsense you're spouting.

On the subject of demon-lord isekai, I'll reiterate. If something comes out that plays it straight, it'd be fantastic (and I'm looking forwards to Overlord season 2 because of this), but I fear the next big one to explore the idea will be a shitty "funny" parody.

>>157353908
They also banned female protagonists and child protagonists don't know why people are focusing on the isekai part since it ain't going anywhere anytime soon.

>>157355477
>Don't know what you're talking about,
To be honest, when abbreviated is filtered to desu. The filter was applied because /a/ complained about all the crossboarders using this shorthand (and others) inflationary to shitpost.
To avoid the filter, people started looking for alternatives, adding or changing one of the letters.
Do you understand now, newfag?

>>157355507
>child protagonists
This is the worst.
A 10yr old getting taken seriously by a 40 year old.
This is straight up uncreative writing.

>>157355530
>newfag
Been here since '06, friendo. I just lurk a hell of a lot more than I post.

To be both honest and fair, I'm still confused as to why you're getting so booty-blasted. Have you considered calming down and talking about isekai ITT?

>>157355102
Here's called salsa rosa

>>157353761
That was a test run to win over and familiarize 'normalfags' with narou WNs. Next season you'll be getting something more advanced and when they finally grab you by the pussy only after that will you get the highest grade wish-fulfillment.

>>157353968
>>157354297
And then I remembered Zombie Crime Solving Dramas already exist and not even poorly smushing them together is original.

>>157355608
>Been here since '06, friendo. I just lurk a hell of a lot more than I post.
I'm pretty sure you don't really lurk all that much, otherwise you'd already have known that.
Just avoid twitter speak in the future for the sake of /a/.

>>157355564
>10 year old getting taken seriously by a 40 year old is uncreative writing
What is wrong with this? Stranger things have happened in the world A 11 year old boy who fought in the American Civil War became a Sergeant by order of his Colonel in his regiment.

What's the point of RPG mechanics over traditional "magic exists"? Completely kills all immersion.

>>157354625
He didnt jerk off to Aqua, both were facing the other way and Aqua just thought nothing about his rusling at night

>>157355728
Easier writing. You shouldn't ask this question, Anon unless you're retarded.

>>157354085
The Wire is even worse once you get over its pull factor.

>>157355728

Magic often needs to be explained and limitations need to be established, RPG mechanics tells you exactly how strong somebody is and handwaves abilities to the point of it just works.

Because Isekai's couldn't be lazy enough as it is.

>>157355728
>Completely kills all immersion.
Why does one type of unrealistic magic kill it for you but not the other?

>>157355728
Because it requires less worldbuilding.
"lol it's fucking game mechanics deal with it" requires even less justification than "its magic I don't have to explain shit" since everyone knows how RPGs are supposed to work. Not everyone knows how your esoteric magic system works on the other hand.

Is it possible to do RPG mechanic style worldbuilding and have it be creative and interesting?

>>157355952
Yes.

>>157355913
Because of a little something called 'suspension of disbelief' dumbass. Throwing fireballs is fine. Having a little window pop up for you to select fireball and seeing enemy HP doesn't work for anything that isn't a VR/MMO world setting.

>>157355952
No.
Inb4 "but muh spider".

>>157355952

It is but you have to put in work, probably more work than simply making up a magic system from scratch.

>>157355831
It's easier to just smash your hands on the keyboard but that doesn't translate to better stories.

>>157355952
Yes. Its called DnD turned into a Novel.

>>157356017
Magic systems aren't even that complicated. Isn't it just pump mana points, say some fancy words in a foreign language and out comes the spell?

>>157355991
Why not? Magical non-human beings might process their thoughts in a visual form such as a menu or HP bar.

>>157355991
>I can suspend my disbelief for people emitting flames from their bare hands but not doing it through a floating UI

>>157353239
I will never get Nip obsession with Mayo

>>157356072

Mana points sounds more RPG than magic.

>>157355663
>11 year old boy
>American Civil War
I don't believe you anon

>>157356067
Does any series other than Overlord do this?

>>157356128
Slayers, Goblin Slayer, Lodoss War are all DnD turned into Novels.

>>157356091
It would be an evolutionary failure to have your health represented in a visual format for everyone to see.

>>157355952
Yes, but you'd have to find a way to minimize or outright remove 'status'.

>>157356128
Goburin Slayer.

>>157356126
He would be older by now.

>>157356113
Yes that's right. Are you genuinely this retarded even though I spoonfed you a key phrase you should look up?

>>157355663

That 11 year old boy didn't start out being treated as an equal though. He definitely had to put in the work become accomplished to become respected.

>>157355256
Grimgar, which I still think is insanely underrated a both an anime and LN. I get that the world building was fairly weak but the show was actually good, and the source material is incredible.

>>157356233
He probably just looked cute and whored himself out.

>>157356256

That doesn't earn respect all that earns is a worn out asshole.

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>>157355952
>>157356067
>DnD turned into a Novel.
That's pretty much The Chronicles of a Lost Man in His Forties Founding a Nation.

Possibly also Overlord.

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>>157356126
>I don't believe you Anon
Then you don't know American history. Lance Sergeant. John Clem 1863, United States Army (Union)

There is also a shit load of other young child lads like him.

>>157356091
There's one problem with that
How the fuck would that being be able to visualize HP/MP/whatever the fuck it is when it is an abstract idea.

ie, how the fuck would anon know he has 200HP or how much damage would a stab wound to the gut do?

>>157356233
>>157356256
>>157356197
The youngest American General for the Union during the Civil War was only 20 years old, Galusha Pennypacker.

>>157353822
Best phase

>>157356352
Same way your intelligence is interpreted as a single number, the IQ, except with magic and without a long and tedious test.

>>157356352
The same way you can tell a slightly injured person from a severely injured person?

>>157356441
How would you tell that slightly injured person A has only 1hp left while severely injured person B has 100+hp left?

>>157356498
Magic.

>>157356498
>Slightly injured
>1 HP left
That is, at a minimum, 50% injured.

Consider the following:

Isekai is basically the colonialist power fantasy repackaged into an acceptable fantasy form.

>>157356429
IQ isn't an accurate reflection of intelligence though since it's primary function is screening for mental impairment rather than accurately measuring your upwards total intellect.

Basically it's not a linear numeric value for how smart you are.

>>157356521
>That is, at a minimum, 50% injured.
What if person A has only a maximum of 2HP?

>>157356530
It's escapism through a blank sheet spoiled hero repackaged into an easily accessible fantasy package for mass consumption.

>>157356530
You mean Gate?

>>157356530
No, it's a personal power fantasy based on the realities that the readers commonly experience (usually video games).
The colonialist power fantasy is more patriotic and relies on your race and education and the capabilities of your nation as a whole.
In isekai you run on stats that have nothing to do with your race, you have cheat skills that have nothing to do with your education and you win while on your own and cut off from your nation's support.

>>157356589
It ain't real colonialism if it's not white colonialism

>>157356620
>The colonialist power fantasy is more patriotic and relies on your race and education and the capabilities of your nation as a whole
What do you think the wanking of muh modern nipponese values and amazing Nippon cuisine is about?
Not to mention "modern knowledge cheat".

>>157353239
so is this anime good to watch ?

>>157356668

Yes.

>>157356665
>What do you think the wanking of muh modern nipponese values and amazing Nippon cuisine is about?
That tends to be only a small part of the isekai.
>Not to mention "modern knowledge cheat".
This tends to be even less important.

>>157356668
No.

>>157356635
The entire plot of Shingeki no Kyojin is a metaphor for Japanese colonialism.

>>157356668
Maybe.

>>157356668

I don't know.

>>157356680
>>157356698
>>157356707
please rell me

>>157356668
It's hit or mis the show. It has nothing but it's jokes so if you don't think that it's funny you'll ask for your time back because it's shit.

>>157356728
Can you repeat the question?

>>157356091
I can forgive magic users casting from books, chanting from memory, dancing around, waving a wand or hands or straight out visualization in fantasy but casting from a status menu is out of the question.

Just imagine
>Vanguard slashing orcs and goblins
>Magic users sit at the back with refreshments while twiddling their finders at a glowing thing.

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>>157356691
>This tends to be even less important.
No, that's actually a very defining part of the genre. It's just that most authors are awful at portraying it so it ends up something like pic related.

My personal favorite example is when an isekai protag literally invents "strategy" in a world that already has countries and standing armies.

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>>157356703
how?

>>157356828
The whole part about a tiny island nation taking over the mainland until gracefully retreading and now the ungrateful mainland hates them despite the fact that they were so much more prosperous under the island nations rule that they try to hide this fact from the people with propaganda.

How is it not obvious?

>>157356918
Korea?

>>157356779
Standing armies does not mean that you have good strategy. If a country is used to infighting and basically local troop deployment, and if they are suddenly expected to participate in a war effort hundreds of kilometers away, across difficult terrain even, then they would probably have no idea about how to move their armies there while keeping them as a cohesive unit and how to feed them.
If the protagonist is good at this sort of thing, then I can imagine him being able to help out an experienced power tremendously.

>>157356918
Dropped SnK after it was clear titan shifting was getting out of hand. If that's the case, what a pretentious way of showing it, honestly,

>>157355102
>In Russia some people here do this
Я думал я один такой идиот.

>>157357032
>Standing armies does not mean that you have good strategy.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I'm not talking about "good strategy" but rather like I said the "entire concept of strategy" as in doing anything other than just running up and hitting each other until the side with more dudes wins is considered underhanded and unethical apparently.

>If the protagonist is good at this sort of thing,
As good as an average Japanese young adult can be I guess.

>>157357025
East Asian "Co-Prosperity" Sphere

>>157357183
I don't think you understand that strategy and tactics are two different things.

>>157357183
You sure you don't mean tactics?

>>157357212
Fair point, I guess. Tactics would be more accurate, but I had the word strategy in my head because that's actually what the translation used.

That being said I'll own up to it and rephrase my original statement to "the protagonist literally invented tactics" if that's acceptable. Does that make the premise any less retarded though or are you just trying to catch me on semantics?

>>157357276
As I said, strategy is something that many small nations are not really used to having to deal with. Moving a large group of people over far distances comes all sorts of unexpected problems.
But on the topic of tactics, I agree with you. No modern man should even try to argue with medieval or ancient people on how to move on the battlefield. Even researchers dedicated to this sort of thing don't really understand how a roman Legion operated.

>>157353822
.... How many people watched those midnight anine is never an important metric to consider their success

>>157354015
Psycho-pass?

>>157357369
>all those grammar mistakes
Fuck my life.

>>157356530
This.

I can't believe they make it.

And even worse, there are some who localize that and import it.

In countries that were devastated by or exploited others through colonialism!

Why isn't there any more isekai where heroes/reincarnators gets fucked up by the world they are in due to their actions trying to make it into another earth?

>>157357212
Strategy and Tactics aren't that much different from one another. Its mostly a size thing that separates them.

Strategy = Use of all resources to accomplish long term goals. General plan often planned by the head powers of a group.
Tactics = Use of limited resources to accomplish short term goals that bridge a path to long term ones. Small plan formed by a section of the head power group and having their stuff done with their permission.

Examples:
Strategy = Contain the economic growth of a foreign nation and its crop yields. This would include persuading foreign powers not to buy that nations crops.

Tactics = To contain the growth of the foreign nation and its crop yields, setting up organized raids at night to burn their crops. Or preventing items of trade from arriving via sabotage.

>>157357484
Because edgelords like you would rather complain than produce something yourself.

>>157357540
I would love to but it blew up spectacularly.
I can't write dialog for shit.

>>157357369
Right, many other series have delt with the concept of modernizing logistics, but I'm not talking about anything nearly as sophisticated as that. I'm talking about "I reincarnated from a different world and I'm the first person to use pitfalls because even though everybody knew about them, they just thought it wasn't fair" which would be on the same level as the pic I posted where the guy invents holding a weapon in each hand.

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>>157353706
>there's a shocking lack of Japanese food wank

that's because the author used food as a punchline to a different joke. everything in Konosuba's world has XP when you consume it. The higher class the item to eat, the tastier and more xp earned, of course high xp items FIGHT HARDER to live when you come to harvest them, most of those items being monsters or veggies which will kill you to avoid a dinner plate.

(coincidently, most farmers in fantasy ausieland, are absurdly high leveled, because harvest time is literally a life and death battle, and yes, food trying to kill it's farmer to prevent harvesting is another one of aqua's tragic accidents via resurrecting the wrong person and giving them an explosively overpowered cheat)

>>157355952
Fate/Stay Night.

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>>157357540
Not that anon, but I genuinely tried and it always ended in weird fetish porn. This must be what the author of Re:Monster feels like. He at least had the guts to go public with his fapfic though.

>>157354344
>Are you implying Ketchup is sweet and a shit?
Ketchup is almost 1/5 sugar. If you're on any type of diet or diabetic it's usually the first condiment NOT on the diet's list of acceptable condiments (usually right next to Mayo, mostly because most mayo is absurdly high in fat/cholesterol).

>>157357714
>FSN
>RPG mechanics
u wot

>>157357792
>muh rank B riding

>>157354792
https://youtu.be/H0gNDAA_TIk

Still waiting on the revenge fantast isekai boom. Fuck these isekai for moralfags.

>>157353239
Who are you quoting?

>>157357870
>revenge fantast isekai boom
It wouldn't take off.

>>157357849
>grades are an RPG mechanic
I guess school is one big MMO.

>>157357870
>Still waiting on the revenge fantast isekai boom

you mean like shield bro, arifureta, or whatever the name of that stupid arifureta clone was?

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>Wasn’t the <Black People> beasts without any reasoning? Wasn’t they the same like monster, a disaster that was mankind’s natural enemy……?
Arifureta please.

>>157357924

you missed the joke; FSN uses "grades" for abilities in it's poorly defined RPG mechanic, which has zero actual application in the game or anime.

>>157357974
>Expecting anything out from MTLs and ESLs

>>157357983
You missed the point; grades are not an RPG mechanic.

>anon - lv 16 faggot
>english: E

>>157357904
Fucking nips. They'll pay for this.

>>157357870
>revenge isekai
Dungeon Seeker
Nidome no Yuusha
Rise of the Shield Hero

Three right off the top of my head, but there's plenty which just have really edgy protags even if they're not explicitly about revenge.

>>157357974
Are you reading an MTL WN or the official LN translation? Just curious.

>>157354506
No, it was mediocre at best.
Idiots just love it because it had potential and makes them imagine how good the set pieces could be, but upon any amount of closer inspection, you should realise that it all falls apart and every aspect is handled incredibly poorly.
This delusion then extends to the rest of the show, and people think all of SAO is good because it has things that could be cool, and this tricks them into ignoring all of the tangible details.

>>157358135
The grammar should give it away, shouldn't it?

>>157357924
>>157357849
Also classes.
Also alignments.
If that was not enough, Rin an even fucking Arthur speak in RPG terms when explaining to Shirou how magic works. You wouldn't know it, because you are a secondary. Fuck secondaries.

>>157358210
>butthurt retard who wasted their already worthless time playing a shitty eroge

The etymology of "Secondaries" comes from the superior ability of these individuals to delay gratification, and thus receive two marshmallows. This ability highly correlates with success, education, health and weight control. In this context, it refers to their ability to wait for a superior release in a superior medium (anime).

>In these studies, a child was offered a choice between one small reward provided immediately or two small rewards if they waited for a short period: approximately 15 minutes, during which the tester leave the room and then return. (The reward was sometimes a marshmallow, but often a cookie or a pretzel.) In follow-up studies, the researchers found that children who were able to wait longer for the preferred rewards tended to have better life outcomes, as measured by SAT scores,[2] educational attainment,[3] body mass index (BMI),[4] and other life measures.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experiment

It is not surprising at all that bitter "primaries" who are often unintelligent, overweight, and unsuccessful at life, would attempt to turn it into a pejorative.

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>>157353420
The American equivalent would be the self insert action hero movie. Disrespected middle-aged loser stumbles into conflict with mighty evil organization and wins at everything through the power of self-righteous anger and violence. A narcissist's wet dream. Trumpistan loves this shit, they sell it in thousands of variations, consume it daily for their whole life.

>>157353420
Shitty self-insert romance? Ala Twilight and 50 shades.

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>>157353420
>>157358398
Pretty sure it would be supernational romance young adult fiction instead.

>>157358398
>Trumpistan
Eurocuck please

>>157356314
>young child lads like him
I respectfully disagree.

This is obviously a chronologically-disadvantaged 18 year old
you should be ashamed for bringing attention to this man's disability and by extension questioning the American military's rigorous qualification standards

>>157353239
Didn't Kazuma smack his shit sideways and sell off that OP skill?

>>157353239
>run over by truck-kun
>run over
>truck-kun
>posting konosuba
Stopped reading.

Can't we just have a fantasy setting WITHOUT the MC coming from another world

>>157358671
Sure. Try to watch stuff other than what's trending on the frontpage and you'll find some.

>>157358671
>Can't we just have a fantasy setting WITHOUT the MC coming from another world
How new are you?

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>>157358671
yes you can

>>157358671
Did you somehow miss the fact that the most common genre after isekai is fantasy battle harems?

>>157353239
>Zero no Tsukaima MC gets isekai'd
>gets cheat power
>nobody complains

>>157358600
If you kept reading you'd see how stupid you really are.

>>157353420
Well in the 50 through 70's "average dude gets transported to a fantasy world where they are ultra badass" was very popular in weastern fantasy, before being displaced by "just rip of Tolkien" in the 80's.

>>157358883
No one on post Hiro /a/ actually watched ZnT.

>>157353239
Japanese Mayo is thr best in the world!

>>157358883
znt was garbage

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>>157358671
No

>>157353239

Don't forget gets turned into a shitty light novel with 5+ volumes of literal nothing happening due to the MC handling it with his superior japanese mannerisms while feeding his harem of catgirls fried chicken.

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>>157358713
Goblin Slayer

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>>157359071
Does this count as isekai then?

>>157359244
>5+ volumes of feeding a harem of catgirls friend chicken
I'd read the shit out of that.

>Isekai in my porn
I can't run away.

>>157359252

Where can I read volume 3+

>>157359274
Yes.

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>>157359316
>Isekai in my porn
Good enough excuse to post this.

>>157355256
If you want edge, go read Dungeon Seeker

>>157353239
The joke is that the people who read that stuff don't want high level literature but just something they can read fast and easy while taking the train to school.

>>157358883
It wasn't a cliche yet.

>>157359416
Yes, it was.

>>157359431
Name 5 isekai series that was out around the time the ZnT anime aired.

>>157359366
Wait, what?

>>157359394
If the idea's interesting enough, does the level of literature matter?

>>157359516
MC has a mind control power that allows him to turn girls into his slaves by touching them. Apparently teleporting his jizz onto the face of a demon loli that was attacking them counts as touching.

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>>157353239
holy fuck i love konosuba
>kadokawa=juden

>>157359532
Of course it does, execution always matters more than ideas.

>>157359489
My internet has currently crashed at some 2/KB/s, and it's not my favorite anime time frame, but I'll try:
>12 Kingdoms
(this anime by the way has a character who even recognizes the cliche and thinks she is the protagonist)
>Tweeny Witches
>Zipang (arguably)
>Viewtiful Joe
>Digimon

>>157356779
>I see. I never thought of it before. If you hold weapon in both your hands you can fight two opponents at once!!
There is probably a real WN that has this line.

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>>157353239
It will never end unless you can convince 90% of mangaka and light novel authors to quit self inserting themselves.

>muh mayonese
>muh rice with soy sauce
>MUH MAGICAL KATANA
>muh "gotta tell everyone I come from a different world (despite it actually being another universe) for no reason at all"

>>157357623
Is there anything the damegami won't ruin? I can't even imagine how someone could fuck up so bad.

>>157360247
It's easily solvable. Give the state a monopoly over commercial publishing. Everyone who doesn't pass strict creative control is free to publish their shit on Narou for free, but selling it on Comiket or signing a contract with foreign publisher is a criminal offence punished by exile.

>>157354015
Ghost in the shell ?

>>157360247
>mangaka
Apparently, most manga magazine editors have Isekai on a blacklist

>>157360755
Not Shounen Jump, though. Gotta teach readers to love isekai while they are young.

>>157360247
How about you give them a reason not to?
>VR
There, problem solved.

>>157354487
wtf did you just said about mustard?

>>157361468
Dumb ESL poster.

>>157354487
> hating mustard

fuck is wrong with you

>>157361042
ESPECIALLY WSJ.

>>157354487
Ketchup is for children. It's literally just sugar
Mayonnaise is for fat americans
Mustard is the real deal.

>>157358398
>random trump shit thrown in

Go away

>>157361657
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Side_Story:_The_Case_of_Being_Reincarnated_as_Yamcha

>>157361984
>It is official
I always thought it was a self-published doujin

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>>157360533
>Is there anything the damegami won't ruin? I can't even imagine how someone could fuck up so bad.
>below average intelligence.

Gee, I wonder why.

>>157361681
>Mustard is the real deal.
Kind of agree.
Personally I'm more of fan of old fashioned grain mustard.

>>157359366
you know who translates this?

>>157353420
pre-seinfeld sitcoms

>>157362823
nothing more delicious than aqua crying. I don't know why but I just can't get enough of it.

>>157360092
Shank one nigga twice, shank two niggas once, yo

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>>157357946
>>157358074
Im still waiting for lastest chapter. They shallnot deny me the best boy.

>>157353474
Cop shows are not wish fulfillment because generally the main characters are depressed sack of shits with horrible lives you never want to end up as.

>>157355769
If Aqua was facing away from him how would she know if he was facing the other way.

>>157353420
Poor loser gets access to high society and games the rich people system with his super-effective burger flipper street smarts.

Most of them are class A cringe material.

>>157358398
>Insulting Die Hard

It teaches good values you fucking eurocuck. Hell it even teaches racial unity through stopping euroshit terrorist.

>>157366619
>terrorist

>>157358398
I can feel the ass pains from here. No red blooded american could possibly hate this movie. the only people who hate this movie are fucking eurotrash snowflakes and east german communist sympathizers.

fuck you.

>>157366397
>Scyth as a weapon
OW THE EDGE

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>>157355202
>Albitch better than Shalltear
lol

>>157356067
He said creative and interesting, not nauseatingly derivative and shitty.

>>157367127
L'Arc is not edgy though, he's what motoyasu would have been if he was more bro and less feminist.

>>157354506
GGO arc was best arc proof me wrong

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>>157353420

Still Isekai?

>>157359071
In the 80s?
Like what?

>>157354870
>>along the way you discovered that you are the demon lord
>well shit, I'm a fucking demon!
>party like it's 1666

>>157355507
>female protagonists
Really?
That's kinda dumb.

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>>157356779
Does this bit oversatirize WNs, or are such sentences normal?

>>157353420
West has varying audiences where all age groups have people with plenty of free time to spend on entertainment and thus many different types of shows are made.
You cant compare japan vs west like that.

>>157370547
Yes, normal boy from normal world thrown into magical realm. The character doesn't have to be reborn or be permanently stuck in an alternate world for it to be considered isekai.

I'm still waiting for an american director to pick up the isekai genre and start pumping out easy bake oven movies.

>>157367152
Anon please
You just like flat kissless virgin grannies

>>157373306
Justice is flat.

>>157371528
You say that like that isn't the case for Japan as well.
Hell, one of isekai'd biggest target demographics (the sad sacks of shit that call themselves "salarymen") have the LEAST free time in Japanese society.

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rate my wife

>>157371528
>West has varying audiences where all age groups have people with plenty of free time to spend on entertainment and thus many different types of shows are made
>anime is the only type of entertainment to exist in Japan and isekai is the only type of anime that gets made

>>157374880
Pray tell what entertainment average salaryman consume?

>>157354015
Detective Kindaichi

>>157374908
They read manga and play phone games

>>157353420
Dystopian societies

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>MC gets hit by a car and wakes up in Isekai land
>its actually his super rich family obliging him in a simulation because he's now kind of retarded/insane

When?

>>157354870
Are you mixing some shit together or did that demon guy really get isekaid? Also creepy old stuttering man was a bro.

>>157374908
>what is fucking seinen
I hope you realize that it is in fact younger salarymen that consume and pay for all of /a/'s favorite anime. Because despite how much we joke about it NEETs aren't exactly a demographic with the most disposable income at hand.

>>157373332
Sure thing mr pedo, how about you go turn yourself in?

>>157375269
At the rate they get pumped out, we'll see this eventually. I look forward to it.

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>>157355108
> 「Thus, with that in mind, I intend to make a dish called omelette rice today. You can use whichever type of rice you prefer, whether it’s short or long grain. The minimum required ingredients needed for this dish are onions[tamanegi], salt, pepper, and a homemade seasoning called tomato ketchup. Also, butter is necessary to further enhance its taste. Afterwards you can also add other toppings such as green peas, ham, mushrooms, and so on to your liking.」

>The ingredients needed to make the omelette rice were already arranged on the kitchen table.

>「Then, let’s start cooking at once. The typical way is to first, prepare a rice called butter rice.」

>Rio taught them how to prepare the butter rice.

>Since the Seirei no Tami also knew how to add flavour to white rice, they did not seem surprised in that regard.

>「Frying the butter rice with tomato ketchup will create chicken rice that will become the base for omelette rice. But, butter rice can also be turned into a different dish, called pilaf, by cooking it with different seasonings. You can enjoy this pilaf rice with different sauces and gravy added on top. I will save that dish for a future class.」

>The women raised minute voices of admiration at the variety of uses for the butter rice

>「While waiting for the butter rice to be cooked, we will prepare tomato ketchup. The ingredients that we’ll need are tomatoes, onions[tamanegi], garlic, sugar, salt, pepper, bay leaf, cayenne peppers, consomme, and cinnamon.」

>Glancing at the required ingredients arranged on the table, he skillfully began preparing tomato ketchup while explaining the required amounts and procedure.

>「Tomato ketchup is very flexible as it can be used in a variety of dishes. Because it can be preserved for a long time, it’s convenient to prepare some beforehand and store it.」

Holy shit this is revolutionary. An isekai that wanks ketchup instead of mayo? Amazing.

>>157375269
>>157375611
Isn't this literally the plot to a filler arc of Yugioh?

>>157358883
Saito got a cheat power but iirc there wasn't even anything special about him, the cheat power came from being Louise's familiar. His cheat power is also tame as fuck honestly and not necessarily broken. It just made him versatile.

>>157374420
>salarymen have the LEAST free time
Office jobs in Japan consist mainly of sitting behind your desk and being unproductive. Something as simple as sending a e-mail can take a half of a workday.

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>>157375750
There aren't people who actually enjoy the food scenes in isekais, or any genre for that matter, is there? They make me want to shove my head through my monitor.

>>157358883
They never called it a "cheat" power or did anything to try to make it into an IRL videogame.

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>>157376341
I thought this one was cute

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>>157375750
>Afterwards you can also add other toppings such as green peas, ham, mushrooms, and so on to your liking.
I can improve this recipe with one slight twist: leave all of these and throw the fucking rice away.

Offical tier list

>Classic tier
- Digimon
- Escaflowne
- El Hazard
- The Twelve Kingdoms
- Rayearth
- Now and Then, Here and There
- Zero no Tsukaima
- Muv-Luv Unlimited/Muv-Luv Alternative

>Archetype tier
- Mushoku Tensei
- Kenkyo Kenjitsu
- Overlord
- Shield Hero
- I'm a Spider
- Evil God Average
- Oda Nobuna
- Release that Witch

>Atypical tier
- Re:Zero
- Grimgar
- The Faraway Paladin
- Konosuba
- Youjo Senki
- Dungeon Defense

>Fun garbage tier
- Arifureta
- Koihime Musou
- How A Realist Hero Rebuilt the Kingdom
- Tsuki ga Michibiku
- Slime Tensei
- Dog Days
- Knights and Magic
- Mixed Bathing in Another Dimension
- In Another World With My Smartphone
- Duel Savior
- Eien no Aselia

>Total garbage tier
- Death March
- Re: Monster
- World Teacher
- Word Master
- Dungeon Seeker
- Master of Monster
- Gun Ota
- Nidome no Yuusha
- Seirei Gensouki
- Anything with "Cheat" in the title
- Anything about Skill Taking
- Anything about Slaves

>Not isekai tier
- Sword Art Online
- Danmachi
- UchiMusume
- Ore ga Heroine
- Infinite Dendrogram
- Pay to Win VRMMO
- Sevens

>>157376898
Move Aselia to Atypical though.

>>157376735
I suggest renaming archetype tier, atypical tier and not isekai tier into archetype garbage tier, atypical garbage tier and garbage not isekai tier respectively. I understand the last name sounds crude, but "not isekai garbage" would make it seem that the tier is not for garbage.

>>157353566
> Season 3
> He doesn't know

a-anon

>>157376945
The only atypical thing about it is the puny size of its script, but if you remember it's a game, not a novel it will seem typical too.

>>157376898
Hey you are missing Tanaka.
Having not a harem, not romantical interests kinda made it much more fun then other self-insert shit.

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>>157353420
Isekai

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>>157374561
The best.

>>157376898
Arifureta is true garbage no matter how you spin it. What's so fun about reading a guy that made a fucking car because he can and wipes cities without any consideration for drawbacks? It's just haremshit for chuunis. Fun garbage is like that isekai where the guy becomes a vending machine in a fantasy setting.

>>157354458
You can use a different setting all you like but if the material you're writing is the same shit with copy and pasted dialogue from every other light novel, chances are you're an uninspired, talentless faggot.

>>157376106
He even had to train or he'd easily get wrecked by people more skilled than him. His ability only got him as far as mid tier shitter level in terms of skill with a weapon.

There's very little GOOD fantasy that takes place on Earth. It's almost always alternate worlds, lost continents, or so far in the past/future that the world is completely unrecognizable as Earth. And this is really how it SHOULD be. Just because something is "isekai" doesn't make it bad.

The real problem is just lazy authors using the same skeleton for the story, namely, the MC dies, god takes pity on MC and reincarnates him, MC proceeds to steamroll the other world. The video game status screen shit is simply because it makes it easy to quantify how strong particular characters are. Using descriptive language isn't going to drive home how strong the Demon Lord is, unless you use up entire chapters where he wrecks other powerful characters or unleashes some terribly destructive attack on something. Throwing a stat dump drives the point home with no effort required. It's lazy, but what do you expect from people raised in the modern age?

>>157377506
That is because quite alot of those writers come from a fanfiction site which went down.
At that time the japanese hadn't really a good alternative, so quite alot of them just moved over to Narou and of course they write self-insert fiction.

The i died and god revived me, is the staple for the 'get revived in anime x world with cheat powers'

>>157377506
>Just because something is "isekai" doesn't make it bad.
But why does it always need to be a "normal highschool boy" who's totally boring who gets thrown into this world? Isekai means that. The regular guy gets pushed into an irregular world.

What people want is a straight fantasy show without any of the game mechanic bullshit.

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>>157353420
We invented it.
We just called it "Narnia" and it was way more believable while still being wish fulfillment fantasy.

is soy sauce that good?

>>157377876
not really. I don't know why these people suffer from soy sauce withdrawal.

>>157377506
>There's very little GOOD fantasy that takes place on Earth.
Because on Earth you can't get away with magic, even Harry Potter has you go to another world.

>>157377876

It's flavoured liquid salt.

If you like salt then yes it's really that good.

>>157377876
Yes it is.
Pair it with fried fish and it's heaven.

>>157353239
Konosuba had some funny schlock for first 5 episodes. Rest are unfunny garbage.

>>157377754
>What people want is a straight fantasy
According to Narou top, no, isekai is exactly what they want. I ctrl+fed through top 300 or so novels and less than 20 lacked isekai tag.

>>157377754
>But why does it always need to be a "normal highschool boy" who's totally boring who gets thrown into this world? Isekai means that. The regular guy gets pushed into an irregular world
Because self insertion.
>What people want is a straight fantasy show without any of the game mechanic bullshit.
I think you're confusing your own opinion with that of everyone else's. Obviously isekai wouldn't exist if nobody wanted it.

>>157378018
Otaku aren't people.

>>157378188
Ishihara pls go

>>157371839
There already are, aren't they?

I saw one of the Percy Jackson movies on an airplane, and the plot/setting was basically 'isekai' from what I remember. And there's a whole movie franchise of those movies.

I'm sure there are others. They are mostly for the Young Adult audience, though, so you and I probably aren't aware of them because they aren't targeted for our demographic.

There's also the whole "dystopian future where young person fights against muh system" that's probably bigger for the western world than an isekai setting is. The Hunger Games, Divergent, Maze Runner, etc. There's shit tons of Young Adult movies and books set in that kind of universe.