When you're so skilled you bend the rules of space and time.

Bending space and time is easy when you're fat.

>>157077401
yeah but he lost

>>157077639
Well he wasn't the strongest servant so it was only natural.

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>>157077401
Then why is he subservient to a lousy witch?

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>>157079781
>lousy

medea is great

>>157079781
One that he has wished death upon and even managed to kill once.

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>>157077401
You seem to have made a clear error of judgement here.

Best servant is also best girl.

>>157079849
Medea had virtually no character that I can remember during Fate Stay Night.

>>157077401
>skilled
>Isn't just pure concentrated autism that is so autistic the universe gives up and lets you have it.

I'd argue that Kojiro has more determination than EMIYA and on-par with Dantes.

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>>157080121
you just didnt post her

>>157080395
isn't dantes so autistic he gains edge-powers due to sheer autism ?

>>157080495
Yes, that and some sweet magical items. But basically Dantes is Autism Personified and I still argue that Kojiro is that level of autism.

>>157077401
He was also the sexiest boy

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>>157080551
but is he Gil levels of autism - the man who is immune to all the world evils out of sheer ego?

>>157080559
>implying

>>157080395
I mean he created a technique that incorperated elements of the third true magic. By swinging his sword ... a lot.

>>157080690
Well now. That's two different kettle of fish. Gil is the ultimate NEET due to his Egotism. Gil lacks the necessary autism to actually be good at anything other than losing.

>>157077639
That's not really the point. He was basically doubly gimped, by being the servant of a servant and not even having a real NP, and still managed to give Seibah, who was stronger and more resistant, a good fight.

Even though she was also gimped by having a shit master, no mana and no sheath. Is there anyone who isn't gimped?

>>157080729
Second, muh boy. Third is materialization of the soul. Second is the dimensional faggotry.

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>>157080737
>immune to being blackened because of ego
>fights tiamat
>bullies nerds
>protects lolis
>kills lolis
>exists in impossible hellscape that should not be through sheer ego
>better than you at your favorite game

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>>157080495
I'm sorry that you actually believe Medea could even touch Rider's level.

>>157080808
You're right. I even looked it up cause I forgot and still posted the wrong thing ... but yeah, guy loves swinging his sword.

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>King Solomon declared a literal Who the Prince of All Magi.

What the fuck is his end game with this decision?

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>>157080902
waifu powers> snek powers

>>157080864
>protects lolis
>kills lolis

I gotta respect the kind of guy who's autism lets him select which lolis live and die.

>>157081132
he killed an albino loli - and protects a brown loli

make of that what you will

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>>157081056
Oh please FHA rider is perfect waifu.

>>157081202
That he's racist against 2/3rds of the Axis.

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>>157081222
>isnt Medea

i found a flaw already

>>157077639
Literally the only reason he lost was because his sword was a normal weapon and not magical. So it ended up getting bent, which allowed Saber's luck to let her avoid his attack.

Had Caster enchanted his sword, Saber would have died.

>>157081257
he didnt actually take part in WW3 HGW

but he probably would be against the axis - namely cause that HIS realm they are conquering

>>157081344
Illya has a technically German mother and Japanese Father.

Also Gilgamesh would be involved with such petty squabling.

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>>157081262
While I respect your opinion ... It's wrong.

>>157081337
To be fair. He was only good at swordplay.

Any strong attack out of his reach would have taken him down easily.

>>157080690
Couldn't he also carry all the world evils simply because it was his job as a king to be above that?

So yeah ... I guess his ego mostly.

>>157081496
medusa is not even sexy fuck you.

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>>157081836
You clearly lack taste.

>>157080495
>>157080121
Why did Caster kill Rider in UBW? What was her problem?

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>>157080986
Probably because we get along with literally everyone.

>>157081959
Well she wanted to win the war and rider was weak because she was tethered to bitch shinji.

Also didn't souichirou do it on his own behalf?

>>157082073
Caster had a problem with Rider for some reason. Even in the Fate route, she talks shit about her not being one of the 3 great knight classes

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>>157081959
because she attacked kuzukis job - thats just uncool

>>157081496
you make a compelling argument - but you overlook one thing, im not

>>157082141
Caster was being a good wife keeping her man safe?

>>157082139
i guess she doesent like greeks

>>157082266
he didnt need protecting from rider - OHKO

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>>157082139
Really I don't remember it that much.

It's weird cause a rider with a proper master would have been quite a strong servant.

>>157082388
her main weakness is her terrible endurance - but if she can get belerophon she becomes much harder to deal with

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>>157082141
Rider was also part of one of the best fights in the visual novel.

Meanwhile Caster got obliterated easily in most instances she showed up.

>>157077401
>Undodgable strike
>People manage to dodge it

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>>157082473
rider also has the most embarrassing death - while caster at least requires a servant to take out

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>>157082578
I mean it's no Gae Bolg

>>157082587
We all know who's to blame for that ...

>>157082760
Shinji needed a Servant who wasn't a cowardly bitch

>>157082578
>Luck exists as a stat

Everything is bullshit in this chuuniverse.

>>157082917
And saber has A+

>>157082872
Rider needed a master who wasn't a bitch

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>>157083090
but all she got was sakura

>>157082587

Kuzuki was buffed by Caster's magic, you might as well call it a 2v1 fight. He was also skilled enough in hand to hand combat to brute force his way through Saber's Instinct. It's not a shameful loss at all.

Caster on the other hand got the shit beaten out of her by a tiny girl whose combat training amounted to two weeks of street-corner karate class when she was eight.

>>157082453
Too bad Shinji Rider would probably get her shit kicked in by any other Servant in 5th except maybe True Assassin. I would take a nerfed version( Lose a rank in Strength Endurance and Agility, but with a letter increase in Luck) of Deermuid than take whatever Shinji got.

>>157083138
>a support servant who does not specialize in combat lost a fist fight with a magus - and was eliminated by said magus's former servant in a surprise attack
okay

> a melee servant specializing in speed was demolished by a teacher with bonerbuffs - and OHKO's
okay

which one of these seems more shameful?

>>157083127
At least Sakura had a proper mana pool.

>>157083277
>loosing three stat points - for some luck
>worth

how?

and deermund isnt even that bad

>>157083327
the joke is that sakura is a bitch - shes a decent master

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>>157081132
>>157081202
He does not protect Tiné for any reason other than the fact that Enkidu is there, and he doesn't want to leave the war without finishing their fight; at virtually any cost. They really are the best of friends possible. This is the best form of a relationship.

>>157083307
Kuzuki buffed by Caster can fight on a level similar to Assassin. That's no joke.

>>157083393
>He does not protect Tiné for any reason other than the fact that Enkidu is there

but he still protected her - which is more than what he does for his other masters with the possible exception of kirei

>>157083393
Why doesn't Gil act that way in FSN?

>>157077401

>Has sword autism so strong it lets him fight against servants with vastly superior stats and bullshit broken equipment

If skill was a stat his would be EX.

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Also less bitching about powerlevels and more Rider fanart.

>>157083465
that face is out of place

>>157083460
I believe he is actually considered to be the most skilled swordsman in the 5th grail war.

I wonder how he would fair in a swordfight vs a saber Herc or saber Lancelot.

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>>157083497
Well is this better.

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>>157083595
yes

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>>157083438
Because Enkidu isn't there?

>>157083437
Fair enough. But, he didn't just ignore her and fuck off into the normal world as kid Gil *solely* because Enkidu showed up. He only really takes interest in Tiné as a subject/retainer after he realizes that she's a neat person, but he never would have even thought about it had Enkidu not stopped him from chugging his drank.

>>157083307

One of them was instantly killed in a perfect surprise attack by a combatant on par with other Servants, specialised in assassination techniques no less. The other got her ass kicked over the course of a prolonged battle by a teenage girl of slight build even though she could fucking fly.

>>157083693
>perfect surprise attack
he walked in through the door in plain sight, even with memefist that still isnt a sneak attack

Is there a HS/Servant with Rank EX Luck (which already exists)? Couldn't someone like that completely bullshit a Grail War?

I have a jokey fan servant line-up which includes a Lancer Urkel servant with Rank EX Luck, and I'm curious about whether or not that level of Luck is in line with Nasu's view of what Rank EX Luck would be.

>>157083830
>Lancer
>Luck
Pick one. You have forgotten that being lancer is suffering.

>>157083830
luck is the ability to "avoid fate" - so even with ex rank luck hed still get his shit stomped if he fought a stronger servant

>>157083595
post more

Is it bad that I would whore myself to Medea as a sign of loyalty as a master?

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>>157083928
That's the joke. You get like a Jack + Berserker effect from summoning Urkel into Lancer class.

>>157083935
Who says he's "fated" to lose? Yeah, he's fucked if he goes into a fist-fight with EMIYA or something, but if he doesn't, wouldn't he be fine?

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>>157084093
I would since I used to have a massive collection of Rider fanart. However it's on a backup hard drive and the enclosure is broken.

So for now it's just a bunch of easily found ones from some simple google searches.

>>157084154
Or better yet, summoning Assassin before Old Man or Caster summons Fap Arm or whatever Hassan Grail gives me. Team with Kuzuki/Caster with as much loyalty as possible.

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>>157084154
>whore myself to Medea
not at all, its not whoring it you remain faithful and it is the duty of a master to ensure that their servant has adequate mana - through transfer if necessary

unless you mean "whore myself for medea" in which case i would suggest a better choice of career

>>157084204
or in any other fight really - servants tend to be capable of fighting

>>157083830
>>157084204
Medb,Stheno and Euryale have EX Luck. You still beat the shit out of them.

>>157084327
you would still get fap arm most likely - which isnt a bad thing desu. hes pretty strong by Hassan levels

but your plan sounds solid - enjoy the heroes / Gilgamesh inevitably shitting on you - because caster cant have nice things

>>157077639
with style

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Look the best servant is obviously archer.

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>>157084093
Just a final one before I turn in for the night.

Also a final admission that Medea is the kind of woman you would marry and settle down with. But rider is what you'll go for if you want real passion.

>>157084421
What does EX Luck give them? Bullshit dodges, or surviving multiple sure-fatal attacks, or tanking impossible amounts of crap?

>>157084463
Fap arm had a nice hax noble phantasm.

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>>157084706
admission accepted - goodnight snekfag

>>157084706
I think if it's passion you want, you go for Sakura.

For marriage... still Caster.

>>157084706
sleep tight nigga

>>157084788
Sure if you like worms.

>>157084852
Can someone explain the whole worm thing to me.

I mean they drain mana. So that would be a bad thing. So why do the Matous get worms? The hell use is a crest if it drains mana

>>157085022
becuase they can transfer mana - zoucen was draining sakura

kariyas worms powered him

>>157084753
Nothing notable. Luck pretty much only becomes relevant when facing shit like Gae Bolg.

>>157080754
Berserker

>>157085115
Oh.

So how is she so OP in HF?

>>157085295
all the words evils is a hellova drug

>>157085354
right angra mainyu

but

why wasn't Zouken interested in the Akasha thing Tokiomi wanted

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>>157084788
If you want passion you pick Berserker, clearly.

>>157085444
he wants to use the fifth magic to make everyone blissfull or something

the einzberns want to use the third to make everyone perfectly immortal

and the tohsaka want the root

>>157085150
Arguably the visual novel repeatedly states that Berserker can't really bring out his full potential due to mad enhancement gimping his skills.

He's still stupidly OP, but if he was a Saber or Archer class he would probably be even better is the general consensus.

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>>157084788
>>157084706
>not marrying whoever you pick

taste is one thing- but put a ring on it

>>157085564
Illya also disabled Mad Enhancement's stat bonus.

>>157086197
>>157085564
True Assassin?

>>157086345
He was probably at full power yeah. Though his summoning was incomplete he should've became complete after he ate kojirou.

Also Lancer also wasn't gimped except for the first day when kotomine commanded him to only scout out everyone.

Archer wasn't gimped, he had a good master.

Rider under sakura wasn't gimped, but it's not like she ever really demonstrated much of it other than when she fought dark saber.

>>157086345
He was gimped by his loyalty and Zouken being insane

Is it bad that I would want to summon White Berserker and be her housewife and in general follow her lead until a fight happens? Even then she would go Mad.

>>157084706
Rider is marriage material fuck off.
t. Rinfag

Bumpu

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>>157087115
Rider did more than most in HF

Sent Assassin through a wall after he gave Lancer and Saber the slip
Bloodfort's effects amplified considerably the moment she switched back to Sakura
Beat Archer and would've killed/stoned him if the fight wasn't called off
Distracted/fought off Saber Alter and/or Blackened Berserker when they were in the forest (I forget which)
In a bad end slit Shirou's throat so fast he didn't realize what happened (i.e. good at master killing)
Fought Saber Alter
Might as well add from HA being a crack shot with the daggers and hulking out on the Avengers


Medea was never gimped by her masters cause she always could gather her own mana effortlessly
And Lancer basically broke the command spell when he tried to Gay Bulge Saber, so how strong was it really?

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Well at least Medea has a fellow hobbyist now.

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>>157091751

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>>157093721
>GO shitters are from tumblr

I knew it

>>157093941
4th image on google

>>157083550
He held back Berserker Herc with Caster's help and could likely beat Berserkalot (he starts off with no weapons and Madness leaves him wide open to Tsubame Gaeshi). Saber Lancelot would probably go about the same as Arturia (or not depending on his intuition), there's few character that stand a chance against Saber Herc

>>157096099
Sabercelot don't have Instinct, I don't think he can exploit the damaged sword hole like Saber Artoria did.

And Archer Herc would be a stronger fit for him than Saber Herc.

>>157096926
We all know Archer is the best fit for Herc but Saber is nearly as deadly

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>>157077401
VN Tsubame or Anime Tsubame?

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>>157099879
all Geisches are the best Geisches

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>>157077401

>>157077401
>He fought berserker and won.
>He fought archer and archer thought it was too dangerous so he wont go again.
>He fought saber on a 1 on 1 and only lost because his sword bent.
>He fought lancer and lancer backed off.
>His sword was actually just a long sword, not something he was summoned with, and it was pretty strong still.
>Skilled enough to create real magic tier technique going through dimension in order to create his tsubame gaeshi.

This fucker only got killed in HF because he got attacked by surprise.

>>157100419
>attacked by surprise
He was eaten from the inside-out; that's not really a 'surprise attack'. It's just cheating.

>>157100419
>He fought berserker and won.

From Character Material: "As a side note, Kojiro even fended off Berserker once. There is a Japanese proverb that says you can fend off any enemy if you have the right skills. Even if you can't claim victory, you can at least chase them away. Kojiro's style of defense was more of an offensive-defensive style, where instead of protecting himself from his opponent's strikes, he takes the stance of "if you come any closer, I'll probably die but I will most certainly take you with me." Berserker would have been decapitate the moment his weapon reached Kojiro. Of course, Berserker has God Hand: Twelve Labors, so if he had really gone in for the kill, that would have simply been the end of Kojiro. But Illya knew Assassin had Caster behind him, so she chose to avoid charging in recklessly with Berserker."

>>157100844
How the fuck? Is that seriously saying that Kojiro could just ignore or outright overpower God Hand?

>>157101108

Tsubame Gaeshi is an A-rank technique, which is the bare minimum rank needed to bypass God Hand. Meaning that if Berserker charged in, he's eat a TG and lose a life.

>>157101108
It's saying that Kojirou can kill Berserker, but only once. Illya has no desire to waste any of his lives, as Caster is a real threat, so she doesn't have him go for a mutually-assured destruction.

>>157077401
SASAKI

>>157101259
KOOOJIROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

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>>157077401

PV OF KOJIRO DYING TODAY FAGGOTS

GIGIGIGIGIGIGIGI

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>>157102980
Not today brosky, just a new key visual.
It seems like the PV will be show at a later date.

>>157103176
My fucking dick.
When's the PV? Did they say it was later on the site?

>>157103176
What exactly do they gain from not making public the preview?

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>>157103237
Hype closer to the release I guess?

Makes sense if it's the only one they have for a while.

>>157103176
Male characters have noses now, when will females get them?

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>>157103275
Or, perhaps, they have something similar to the crater in the Prillya PV in the HF preview and, seeing the response to that, want to change it before they can get made fun of again. Not outside the realm of possibility.

>>157103223
No date yet. But probably soon.

>>157103311
This, kek. I guess they're trying to distinguish feminine faces, still better than UBW.

>>157103352
We already know all about the current PV, if there was nothing terribly bad people would've probably commented on it.

Part 1 Usual street footage.
Shinji trying to make Shirou fight
Saber vs Rider
Shiro & Saber confronting
Saber raising her face
Part 2
Gilgamesh says: "Is it ten years?"
Lancer VS Hassan
Saber VS Berserker
Ilya appears.
Part 3
Zouken talking
Face from all the characters (Shinji looks bad, Caster is outstanding).
Saber VS Rider again (Rider's chain. Rider pulls Saber to her. Rider appears in the eyes of Saber)
Part 4
Yorokobe shōnen
Lancer VS Hassan
Magical energy while Lancer charge GB.
Temple mural
Hassan's back
Part 5
Monoshizao disappearing on a stone floor.
Kajiura's Logo.
Chapter 1 release 14th october
The animation is apparently better than UBW and the atmosphere is similar to KNK as well.

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>>157103352
Ufotable fucking up like Silver Link like that? With Backgrouno way in hell.
The people that saw it said the quality of the animation and everything is above UBW TV.

>>157103176
Stop peeing, Sakura!!

>>157103399
None of that really sounds "hype" enough to warrant holding it back. Oh, well.

>>157103176
Shinji looks weird in that key image.

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>>157103539
Looks handsome as fuck, as he should.

Assassin is one of the coolest designs in Fate.

>>157103577
it looks like he has shark teeth.

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I'm happy Shinji got to be in a Fate key visual.

Fucking Kuzuki was in UBW S2, even though Shinji was literally the Holy Grail.

>>157103821
Assassin is what I meant, guy who just gets 1 fight.

>>157103821
>UBW S2
>Ilya and berserker get shown prominently in the OP
>think i'm gonna see them do some shit or at least get some good fights
>one episode later...

>>157103877
Same thing for Lancer and Caster in this one.