Redpill me on the 17th angel. Why does he love/care about

>>157066806
Because Shinji is so sweet.

>>157066806
Shinji has been craving for love and his heart is fragile like glass

>>157066806
Androgynous superbeings feel strangely attracted to socially awkward teen boys. See Demian

Because he pitied Shinji for being a large pussy

>>157066806
shinji will literally take any source of actual affection at that point
even dick, apparently
whether it's his feelings going haywire is either here or there. If he was a gay he wouldn't have kept that rei titty on his mind, kissed asuka or fapped to her lifeless body

>>157066806
Because Kaworu is lonely, and people treat him either like a freak or a god, and Shinji is the one who liked him and treated him normally. He admires humanity's will to live and fragility which is represented by Shinji.
And also the boy is cute like dammnnnnn.

>>157067544
That's not the question asked

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>>157066806
If you can't beat them, join them

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>>157066806
He doesn't.
He just wanted to fuck with the guy that killed all of his angel children.

Redpill incoming.
>Why does he love/care about Shinji so much?
He doesn't - or rather he's far too retarded and unintelligent to understand, feel or practice love. Kaworu doesn't know what he talking about or what he's doing. This is why he betrays Shinji and tries to destroy his entire world without any form of regret or remorse. He's a dangerous psychopath at best who will attempt to murder or destroy even those he says loves.

>>157068826
wtf I love Kaworu now, best waifu

>>157068826
Don't listen to the Reifag, he's still buttblasted from 3.33 even though he's had 6 years to get over it.

>>157068826
Pretty much.

>>157068826
If that's true then why did he allow Shinji to kill him?

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>>157069006
>tfw no cute psychopath angel to play piano and have Eva battles with
Fuck.

>>157068826
The Eva timelines exist because Kaworu timetravels upon Shinji's wish anon. You misunderstood episode 24

>>157069161
He lowered his AT field and let Shinji crush him, pretty sure that's not evil.
Even in the drafts where Adam's there he does this.

>>157069294
Exactly so why is >>157068826 saying:
>This is why he betrays Shinji and tries to destroy his entire world without any form of regret or remorse.

>>157068826
This is my image of him but I've never saw anyone else say this.

>>157069350
Because it's a butthurt Reifag who's mad Kaworu solved his waifu's character in one scene or something.

>>157069161
>>157069350

What do you mean? He's retarded and doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. That's why. Even Anno says he didn't have to do it.

Basically, trying to destroy the world and betray your friends is a bad thing to do, okay?

What if your friend told you he loved you, and then stabbed you in the back right afterwards?

>>157069270
What

>>157069350
It's because he observes Eva through Rei-tinted glasses.

>>157066806
Because they wanted to write Devilman but forgot to add the /y/ bait until the end.

>>157069397
Oh everyone thinks that. From mailing lists to evageeks, it's what everyone thinks.

>>157069413
>Even Anno says he didn't have to do it.
No? Anno said Shinji didn't have to kill Kaworu.
That killing Kaworu was technically running away.

To get the good ending in Eva and avoid Instrumentality/impact, it's required you save Kaworu and don't kill him in NGE2.

Basically, trying to destroy the world and betray your friends
He did neither of those things m8.
>

>>157069350
I'd ignore
>>157069045
>>157069294
>>157069405
>>157069414

since it's an insane Kaworufag that keeps stalking /a/ threads to defend Kaworu. Remember to take users like that with a whole hand of salt.

>>157069413
>Even Anno says he didn't have to do it
No, he said Shinji could have walked away.
As for his betrayal it wasn't serious in the first place, which is why he waits for Shinji and doesn't even pay attention to the fight with Unit 01.

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>>157069540
You can stop responding to the troll now.
He'll just start samefagging and talking to people the rest of the thread, occasionally posting Misato and Shinji pictures to pretend he's different people.

>>157069449
Anno wanted to introduced Kaworu way earlier but the production was a fucking mess

>>157069530
It's not one person, everyone's sick of your shit textwall-kun.
Why don't you follow in Robin's footsteps already?

>>157069494
>No? Anno said Shinji didn't have to kill Kaworu.
That's what I said, wasn't it?

It also confirms that Kaworu never had to try destroying the world or Shinji in the first place. It's direct confirmation that Kaworu is an insane psycho.

>>157069596
Posting pictures of that where Rei is being hypocritical and retarded triggers the Reifag.

>>157069540
>try to destroy the world
>stab Shinji and fight him
>IT WAS JUST A PRANK BRO

Kaworufag, please see reason.

>>157069633
>>157069682
Kaworu never tried to destroy the world.
Rei did that.

>>157069626
No, it's just you. I'm not going to bother giving you (yous) beyond this, but know that your style of kaworufag-posting is known. You can't just deflect all discussion which brings up the actual aspects of Kaworu by starting to attack a boogeyman or other characters. You lose by default and make Kaworu fans look insane to other users. Just a warning.

>>157069682
I kek'd even though it's not what happened at all

>>157069703
See episode 24. Take off the fangirl glasses.

Terrible writing

>>157069785
Kaworu never tried to destroy the world in episode 24.
You should watch Eva sometime.

>>157069754
Yes, please stop posting.
We'd like to have a decent Eva thread for once without your autism shitting everything up.

>>157066806
I like how Shinji was super not gay in the manga

>>157069540
>>157069494
Think about it logically and reasonably kaworufags. Just try.

>Kaworu says he loves Shinji
>Is nice to him
So far so good, right? But then
>Betrays him and defines himself as his enemy
>Starts fighting him and harming him with the EVA knife, hurt as hell
>Tries to start an impact event that will destroy everything
>When Kaworu fails, he has Shinji kill him

Don't you think that is a pretty shitty thing to do? Even if the crisis was averted and mankind saved, it destroyed Shinji. Don't you think, at all, that Kaworu is a huge asshole for having done that?

>>157069884
Not at all, Earth belonged to the angels in the first place.
He's just trying to reclaim what's rightfully his from the murderer of his children.

Kaworu didn't do a single thing wrong.

>>157069815
>>157069857
Look Kaworufag, if you don't like Evangelion, why come to a thread about it? He was going to destroy the world. He said so himself. If your only response to this fact is denial and bringing up boogeymen, you need to go.

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>>157069992
If he didn't want what was best for Shinji the explain this scene.

>>157069992
>He was going to destroy the world. He said so himself.
He never said he was going to destroy the world.
Merging with Adam would only destroy the humans, not the world. It would allow the world is be reclaimed by the angels.

If you want to see a destroyed world, look at Rei's cruel actions in EoE.

You should watch Evangelion sometime. It an amazing serious, and you really do it an injustice by only liking a single non-character from it.

>>157066806
he felt sorry for him because he was delicate like glass

>>157069950
Just try at least to see things reasonably. Your overtly defensive over a cartoon character that isn't real at all, what you're doing is sick.

By that logic, he did a bad thing for NOT destroying the humans.

Just admit that he was an asshole to Shinji.

>>157069869
The one where they kiss?
"""breathing problems""

>>157070106
>get proven wrong
>starts sperging out about nonsensical bullshit
Typical Reifag.
Why bother coming to Eva threads when you don't even like the show?

>>157070072
That is Rebuild, and also Rule #1: Kaworu lies.

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>>157070106
>he's bad for trying to destroy the humans!
>he's bad for NOT trying to destroy the humans!
Make up your mind, lmao

>>157070169
While talking to himself on the moon?

>>157069950
He wasn't even trying to do that anon. Kaworu didn't give a shit about the Angels. He was just trying to destroy mankind for no good reason. He never offers them a single thought.

>>157070072
>REBUILD
How about no?

>>157070073
"Destroy the world" here means "destroy all of mankind".

>>157069950
Are we sympathizing with the normal humans or the elderich horrors who were here first?

>>157070270
Humans are cunts anyway.

>>157070205
That's you.

You claim Kaworu isn't bad because trying to destroy mankind is "OK" since he's an Angel.
But Kaworu didn't destroy mankind, so by that logic, he's bad anyway.

Make up your mind, dumbass.

>>157070270
>"Destroy the world" here means "destroy all of mankind"
>gets BTFO so badly he tries to change definitions and backpedal

This is too hilarious.

>>157070163
>kaworufag can't argue back
>starts crying and calls everything nonsensical

>>157070206
He's done worse. Remember that time he told some kid he just met that he loved him, and then tried to kill him and everyone else he loved? Sort of a dick move.

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>>157070281
Angels were the good guys, duh.
The humans and Lilith were the ones who fucked everything up.

Kaworu did nothing wrong trying to purge them from his world.

>>157070281
See >>157070301

Kaworufags are fucking insane. At least this one autist in this thread, he's known for ruining evathreads by spamming gayshit and falseflagging as rei and asukafags.

>>157070380
*Reifags, sorry misspelled.

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Oh great, he's in this thread too.
Abort!

>>157070380
Evafags are cancer eitherways.
you're complaining about someone pissing in an ocean of shit like and OCD retard who thinks they shouldn't mix together.

>>157070315
>takes an often used term literally
>claims victory after having done that, missing the whole point

Stop being retarded Kaworufag. Haven't you noticed that you got BTFO earlier and now rely on cheesy rhetoric like this? Again, reminder that you are a weak ninny who can't own up to the canon. Kaworu did screw over Shinji for no good reason and tried to do the same to the rest as well. He did this, it's canon.

No amount of doujins can make that go away, Kaworufag.

>>157070380
here. This
>>157070410
>>157070439

is the insane Kaworufag who's trying to wriggle away from being called out.

>>157070466
I guess you're right, but look at this crap above. This one Kaworufag is insane.

>>157070469
Kaworu never tried to destroy the world, only humanity. Merging with Adam would have never achieved that. The world would still be fine.

>>157066806
Kaworu doesn't give a shit about Shinji. If he did, he wouldn't have royally fucked him over in episode 24 and other spinoffs like the Rebuilds. He's a poorly written character, he's supposed to represent a theme and a cliche, of a "beautiful tragic", only he isn't good enough a character to pull that off. Fujos pretend otherwise though because of homo shipping.

>>157070567
>Kaworu never tried to destroy the world, only humanity.
>this is somehow good
Wow, what a nice guy. You fucking kaworufags are fucked up. I sincerely hope you're that fucking kaworufag autist because it breaks my heart to think you're all like this.

>>157070630
It is though.
Humans are fuck ups.

>>157070585
Well yeah that and the character exisiting and dying in the same episode and the development suposdely being all over the damn place.

>>157070630
It's just a cartoon, moralfag.
Humans are cunts.

>>157070567
>takes an often used term literally
>claims victory after having done that, missing the whole point

FYI, destroying mankind here is the same as destroying the world. You're human, Shinji is human, and that is literally destroying the world from their perspective. Leave it to a Kaworufag to be a hateful bigot for the sake of kawoshin.

>>157070704
>>157070688
>>157070301
Then I guess you think Kaworu is retarded too, since he thinks humans are good enough to die for. Check mate, you fat landwhale.

HUMANS
HUMANS
HUMANS
HUMANS

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>>157070711
>hateful bigot
It just keeps getting better.

>>157070756
He thinks Shinji is good enough to die for.
Which he is, since he's a total cutie.

>>157070711
>FYI, destroying mankind here is the same as destroying the world
Nope. Destroying the world is the same as destroying the world.
Which Kaworu did not do.

Pick up a dictionary please. You can't just use your own definitions when you're losing.

>>157070567
>>157070843

>yeah everyone would die and shit and the whole world would be messed up due to huge ancient aliens explosions and shit
>BUT IT WOULD STILL BE FINE

Kill yourself autismo.

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>>157070819
Indeed. Kaworu has god-tier taste in waifus.
Just another reason why he's best boy.

>>157070864
Do you think the world didn't exist before humans or something?

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>>157070864
>the whole world would be messed up due to huge ancient aliens explosions and shit
Fanwank. The only thing different is lilin would be gone.

The world would be better off without their pollution and world wars, anyway.
Based angels.

Why do we hate eachother, evafriends? Do we all need a group therepy session, too?

>>157070695
He works as a plot device. The otaku latching onto the character that's supposed to represent how unrealistic relationship fantasies are dangerous for you in the end is just pottery.

>>157070843
You don't seriously think acting autistic helps your argument? Arguing semantics when semantics isn't the topic, and you know perfectly damned well what he meant just makes you look bitter and insane.

>>157070969
>what he meant
Just because you talk to yourself doesn't mean there are more than one of you.

>>157070965
We just hate that retarded kaworufag that keeps spamming every thread.

>>157070938
>>157070959
>what is 2nd Impact
>what is 3rd Impact

Did you idiots watch anything else than

>>157070819
Shinji is a handsome and cute boy. Too bad he has a tiny dick that can't satisfy Kaworu

>>157070959
What's the frog thing that is with Gaghiel? And where's Iruel?

>>157071010
>what is 2nd Impact
Half of the lilin were purged, the world was fine.

>what is 3rd Impact
Rei being a cunt and killing everyone.

That's a kaworufag meme OP. People who care about other people generally don't betray them, try to kill them, or force them to kill them in a horribly traumatic way when it's not necessary.

Kaworu is all about denying reality in favour of fantasy. Hence why Kaworufags will ALWAYS deny the above, even though it literally happened, in favour of some holy idea of "perfect idolized love between two boys".

>>157070965
That's what these threads are.

>>157070965
Because waifu wars

>>157066806
The faggot that Shinji crushed?

I imagine he was just trying to attempt to make Shinji unable to kill him by playing his insecurities.

>>157071052
Kaworu would only want to top.

>>157071052
Thankfully there are other ways a cute boy can please another.

>>157070965
We need to ship out the extremist kaworufag/asukafag combo retard. Yes you, you know who you are.

>>157071008
Your autism isn't helping you kid. Kaworu is shit and you can't deal with it so you keep shitposting in threads like these, interrupting people who actually want to talk about the matter. Sad.

>>157071194
Are you okay?

>>157071080
>Rei being a cunt and killing everyone.
correction: shinji being a cunt and telling rei to kill everyone

>>157071157
Shinji would want to bottom you mean

>>157071158
Shinji could blink and Kaworu would cum in his pants like the massive faggot he is. They're good for each other

>>157070965
Anyone who still delves into these threads is either an overzealous evafag or a participant in the omnipresent waifu war that's surrounded this series. There's literally no room for discussion left about this series, all that's here to talk about is how much we hate each other or how much we hate [Character X]

>>157071244
Fuck off Reifag.
Rei is the reason why everyone is in this mess in the first place.

>>157071244
>>157071080
No one was even killed.

>>157071313
>No one was even killed.

"Instrumentality is the same as being dead"
-Shinji Ikari

"I'm going to force all my children into my womb of instrumentality without them getting any say."
-Rei Ayanami

>>157066806
>Redpill
Fuck off, /pol/ retard.

>>157071352
You don't get to opt out of death.

>>157071244
The Kaworufag only says that because he chases a Reifag boogeyman to deflect from criticism or discussion of his husbando. Just ignore it.

>>157071501
Doesn't make the one that brought you into that death any less of an evil cunt.

>>157071573
>evil cunt

????

Rei did the best she could in the situation. It was either get killed by the army outside or absorbed by the angel inside. She did, however, choose to side with Shinji in the end, ultimately leaving room for Shinji to scrape together the remains.

>>157071244
>>157071542

This. The point of EoE is to have the protagonist, Shinji, lose his faith and will to live and then enact that. Kaworu was one of the ones who helped this happen by ruining his life in episode 24 just before. It has to be Shinji or else it makes no sense.

That said, the Kaworufag is just speaking out of pure hatred of Rei and Reifags since they've called him out before, so now every time EVA is discussed he loses it and starts blaming his mental lynchpin. A curious fact is that Kaworu fans generally don't know much about the Evangelion story or how it progresses, so they don't even know that the instrumentality sequence was planned and started without Rei in EoE, as per SEELE's plan.

Rei's role is to connect with Shinji, talk him out of his suicidal depression, and make him choose life again. That's why Rei leads the conversation and tells Shinji that escapism is bad for him and so on.

>>157071683
Just a little pinpointer, and word of advice: Kaworu fans, especially this one, hates EVA and can't be taken seriously.

He probably hasn't even watched it and just read things about on tumblr.

>this thread
Rei a shit
Kaworu a bad written
Shinji a pussy
end.

>>157071771
this
literally this, the whole Evangelion on a silver plate
Congratulations!

Kaworu loves all people, all mankind. But he can't go against his programming, it's the only reason he exists.

>>157066806
they're both insane

/thread

>>157071771
what a faggy post

>>157071928
what a faggy anon

Sorry, powercut.
>>157069682 You don't have a rebuttal to the fact that Kaworu doesn't merge with Adam even when it was there. You keep repeating he would have killed everyone but you have no proof. It's what he was brought up to do, SEELE tells him to do it and says to take the world back for the angels, he decides not to do it. He priotirizes humans over his own race.
There'd be no cool sequence with Beethoven playing in the background and giant robots if Kaworu was like "lel I give up" on the spot. Every relationship has conflict, that's what Anno meant with Kaworu's betrayal. And in the end Kaworu does what he feels is best since he doesn't know any better. He thinks his continued existence would end humanity.

>>157072269
You had me up until
>lel

You can go back, now

>>157072374
Cool, I won.

>>157066806
I thought he was just going through motions of SEELE's plan but was interrupted by Shinji's vulnerability, and so took the "half assedly fulfilling my predetermined role" route.

He always seems to know and accept he's going to die anyway.

>>157072458
Congratulations, but before you pull out the banner and add another tally to the board please delete the tab and find more anons to defeat in a different thread.

You wouldn't want to have to hear the desperate graspings of your vanquished foes for the next few hours, would you?

>>157072616
Which is why I've been saging.

>>157072481
I forgot to add, I think Kaworu is attracted to Shinji's weakness, as opposed to the strengths that he is chided for lacking by other potential love interests and parental figures.

That sort of love could be tempting, but I could understand why it would freak Shinji's out. He goes from being a young man to a shy girl in that dynamic.

>>157072754
I was under the impression Shinji was already a shy girl

Did we watch the same series?

>>157072950
Couldn't be, there was no one going after him.

>>157072950
Shinji was supposed to be a girl.
Kawoshin is just typical shoujo except genderbent.

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Rei has a crush on Kaworu

>>157073849
Kaworu doesn't fuck dykes

>>157073925
Pretty sure he fucked Shinji, though.

>>157073849
They're siblings, you sick fuck.

>>157071762
>>157071683
Not him but I legitimately don't think Rei is a good character.

Her entire plight hyped up throughout the entire show on who she is, spoonfed to her by Kaworu in a 10 second scene.

Her entire motive in EoE, giving everything to Shinji, only because he was nice to her that one time. Literally the most cliche excuse to like someone which is used in all of harem Anime.

During instrumentality she just becomes a narrator because Anno had no other use for her.
She tells all this shit to Shinji, but it doesn't even matter that it's her telling it to him because we never see any evidence that she would know this stuff.
She knows nothing about communication or human beings, she avoided communicating with others her whole life.

There was nothing to supplement her character arc, you literally had to fanwank what she was thinking and going through.
She becomes a speakerphone in the climax of the series, a plot device.

She is no character in EoE, just words and statements. She's the ultimate example of why Anno's shitty writing and shoddy execution.
He should have let his writing team take care of her like they did for Shinji Misato and Asuka.

>>157074335
Rei was never meant to be anything but a plot device.

>>157074383
After hearing Anno's statements, I guess so.
But it still makes me sad. She could have really been something interesting.

Talk about wasted potential.

>>157074108
Shinji isn't a dyke

>>157071683
Also
>Rei did the best she could in the situation.
is complete bullshit.
She let people get burned alive upstairs as Gendo felt her up.
And don't give me that bullshit that she didn't know.
You're telling me she could sense Shinji "calling her", but not all the people screaming upstairs?

And why force everyone into instrumentality in the most brutal and evil way possible? she literally lied and deceived all of humanity into her womb by using their own weakness.
She showed her distorted creepy face to Shinji making him freak out, cry, and scream, destroying his ego barrier.
She did that shit on purpose.

And then she has the nerve to fucking smile down at him as he looks dead as fuck in her lap. After he's been tortured to oblivion thanks to her.

I'll say it again and say it as many times as I can:
Rei is an evil cunt.

>>157074431
>girl who has shown attraction to girls
>not a dyke

>>157074557
>She let people get burned alive upstairs as Gendo felt her up.
What exactly did you want her to do?

>>157074648
Literally anything other than stand there and moan as Gendo rubbed her tit.

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Anyway, I'm going to bed.
In case this mentally ill fuck responds with his waifu bullshit that fails to debunk any of my points every single time he'll have to wait for my response when I wake the fuck up.
>>157074335
>>157074557

Peace.

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>>157066806
Congrats on the thread, OP!
Straight to the point without further discussion. That's what I good bait should look like. Here have some qts.

>>157074594
He's not a girl or Kaworu wouldn't have fallen for him.

>>157074681
I always assumed that once she got inside instrumentality would began no matter what happened, so at that point people dying above is irrelevant.

>>157074724
>>157074557
>>157074335
I don't think anyone will bother anon, since everyone knows you're an insane Kaworufag who hates on Rei because everyone thinks Kaworu is shit. You should be angry with Anno, not Rei because he made Kaworu shit and kept making him and EVA shit after EoE ended.

>>157075684
see >>157075914

He's probably crying himself to sleep as we write this.

holy shit, I have to rewatch Evangelion

I stopped understanding what was going on after episode 23

>>157075914
Literally says
>Not him but

>>157076153
It's literally him.

>>157075914
This isn't youtube

>>157075914
Did you take your meds today?

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>>157076323
>>157076270
>>157076153
Weren't you going to bed, fucko?

>>157076323
Stop inciting him.

>>157076367
>Everyone who replies to me is one person
I ask again, just because I'm concerned about your health. Did you take your meds already?

>>157076367
I'm thinking about Shinji

>>157071771
Canonical version:

Rei a great
Kaworu a bad written and a shit
Shinji a great
end.

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>>157076465
Shinji is best girl, she deserves way more appreciation than she gets. If everyone just agreed on that there wouldn't be any waifuwars.

>>157076626
Canonical version:

I fucked your nordcuck mother

>>157076670
The only ones who think Shinji is shit are asuakfags and kaworufags. Both Kaworu and Asuakfags will damn Shinji while ignoring the flaws of Asuka, e.g the staunchest Asuka-defender who claims the children can't be blamed for their mistakes will always consider Shinji a pussy. Some even blame Shinji for Asuka's death in EoE, but completely refuse to acknowledge that Asuka killed people in NGE.

The weaker Shinji is, the more popular Asuka and Kaworu get. Like seen with >>157071157 and >>157071052 they need to make Shinji seem like a little bitch to fit in their uke/seme worldview.

https://www.fhi.no/en/mp/mental-health/mental-health/psychological-problems-and-disorders/
Hmmm

>>157076822
Can you believe this isn't the funniest thing I've read today?

>>157076822
This makes no sense. Why would kaworufags hate Shinji when it is stated in the show that they love eachother?

>>157076670
Not a girl

>>157076822
Reifags would hate Shinji as soon as he presented a threat to her popularity.

>>157076902
>>157076897
Kaworufags hate Shinji, since they think Kaworu destroying his psyche for no good reason is a sign of "love". Like Kaworu, they don't think further than their nose. With Shinji reduced to a fuckhole for them fantasize about, they have shown their hate.

>>157076987
>Like Kaworu, they don't think further than their nose
What

>>157076822
Shinji is submissive to Kaworu in canon. He literally behaves like a fag in episode 24, so your argument is invalid

>>157076947
What do you mean? It's clearly a girl (male).

>>157076987
Kaworu is canonically Shinji's only love interest. Moreover he STILL loves him after Kaworu "betrays" him. Moreover he showed Shinji love which made Shinji decide to come back. Moreover he represents love in Shinji's heart by the end in EoE. What can you say to that, faggot?

>>157076902
Look at the Rebuilds for instance. Kaworufags defend that version since it represents the relationship they want, where Shinji is an irredeemable fuckup that Kaworu can be portrayed as the "good guy" for loving/forgiving.

The same goes for NGE, where for Kaworu to be the "good guy", Shinji and mankind must be irredeemable idiots. For instance, golden gems from kaworufags ITT:

>>157077097
>>157071080
>>157070301
>>157070353
>>157070688

all that hate for everything NOT Kaworu, including Shinji - a human.

>>157077097
>thinking Shinji bottoms means you hate him
Not that this is top tier discussion but Reifags never fail to astound me with their warped sense of logic.

>>157077133
I can say you've proven >>157076822 right along with >>157077128 and >>157077097 . You have no connection to Shinji except as a tool for homosexual fantasy.

>>157077198
I've never seen anyone unironically defending rebuilds. Also aren't you supposed to like them, since 2.22 is basically a Reicentered fanfic?

Mods, ban this fucking retard, I swear to God, he's seriously irritating me. This is getting too far, a person can't misunderstand the art this much.

>>157077133
Stop right there anon, unless you want to be called a shipping retard.

>>157077227
You don't blame Kaworu for
- Trying to destroy mankind
- Betraying Shinji
- Stabbing Shinji
- Forcing him to kill him pointlessly

I think that if you actually liked Shinji, and didn't hate his guts, you'd see some problems with Kaworu's behavior towards him.

>>157077300
Leave the mentally insane alone. You see, he's inadequate.

>>157077273
>I've never seen anyone unironically defending rebuilds.
Wow, what a liar.
>Also aren't you supposed to like them, since 2.22 is basically a Reicentered fanfic?
Now you've lost me. Are all you Kaworufags as autistic as this? By autistic I mean that you are completely enclosed in your own worlds.

>>157077301
I don't give a shit, this retard is spouting too much bullshit, time to raid Rei threads.

>>157077301
Is everyone on /a/?

>>157076897
>>157076902
>>157076986
>>157077097
It's funny, there's too much protest here from Kaworufags so obviously that hit a nail.

>>157077315
Yeah because we understand plot conflict.
Anyway that's all addressed here >>157072269

>>157066806
>Kaworu
>Caring about Shinji

Kaworu was manipulating Shinji all the way. He's just a plot device to break and ruin Shinji, but he's wrapped up in yaoi cliches so unfortunately fujoshi misunderstand the whole character.

>>157077434
stop samefagging, reifaggot

>>157066806
>Redpill me

Fuck off kid

Kaworuwhales are subhumans defending garbage piece of trash mary sue character.

>>157077356
You were ecstatic about 2.22
The archives prove it.
>Rei's gunna win the Shinjibowl!1111

>>157077422
None of it is addressed there. These:
- Trying to destroy mankind
- Betraying Shinji
- Stabbing Shinji
- Forcing him to kill him pointlessly

are irrefutable. Because Kaworu failed to do so doesn't change the fact that he tried to do so. When Kaworu failed because Lilith was there and not Adam, he did something worse, he wrecked what was left of Shinji's psyche by forcing him to kill him, unless he wanted to see mankind perish.

Sorry Kaworufag, but I think you could get along with the rest if you were more open to accepting the facts instead of forcing your fanwank into the story like this. You can have your doujins and fanwank, and spinoffs, as long as you accept the canon first.

>>157077517
Just read >>157077356 again, because you're clearly insane.

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>>157069045
3.33 was 6 years ago

>>157077434
Please point out one instance where Kaworu manipulated Shinji.
See, people just say this without understanding what it means.

>>157077596
He's insane what would you expect.

>>157077602
Episode 24, getting close to him and then when he's gained his trust, attack him. Then he manipulated him to killing him as soon as he could no longer achieve his goal for maximum damage.

>>157077473
/thread

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>>157069884
>>Tries to start an impact event that will destroy everything
Wrong. Completely wrong.

He went into dogma expecting to reclaim his original body but found Lilith instead. No-one knows what he really planned to do. Who can really say if he was going to obey Nerv or trigger third impact?

To me it seemed like he intended to be stopped from the begining. It's not that he failed, he was just surprised to find Lilith there. He was always going to let Shinji win though.

>>157077538
You're stupid. I said Kaworu didn't merge even when Adam was there in the drafts. You can't prove he would have. Furthermore he thought he would eradicate humanity if he kept on existing.

>>157077483
>>157077434
These desu. A kaworufag will ruin ANY and ALL EVA threads they get into.

>>157077736
>samefagging this hard

>>157066806
He's literally a christ figure, he loves everyone, sacrifices himself, etc

>>157077723
>>Tries to start an impact event that will destroy everything
>Wrong. Completely wrong.
Nope, not wrong. Kaworu himself says that doing so will wipe out mankind. Nice try but stop lying to yourself for once. Go outside, breathe some air, then come back to us.

>>157077666
>he manipulated him to killing him as soon as he could no longer achieve his goal for maximum damage
Even when Adam was there he asked Shinji to kill him. All of you just say he would have when you can't back up your statement.
And he asked Shinji to kill him because he thought humanity would be eradicated if he lived.

>>157077731
>drafts
In the drafts Kaworu was also a normal human boy. The drafts aren't canon, what happened in episode 24 is. They are discarded ideas that were never used.

I think you need to sober up and realize that when you're literally reaching into non-canon, of explicitly discarded ideas that aren't in the story to back you up here, then you've lost. I'm sorry that Kaworu is shit. I'm sorry that you've been bamboozled by other dishonest Kaworu fans about the character who tried to sell you something that wasn't there in the canon. But it's time that you stop this, and stop ruining the fandom for everyone else with your insistent lies and nonsense.

Kaworu destroyed Shinji. Had Kaworu cared about Shinji, he'd never try to do something that would kill him, or the people he cared about. He'd never physically fight Shinji and stab at his heart, literally and figuratively. Most of all, if Kaworu actually cared, even after being defeated and cornered in Terminal Dogma, he'd refuse to let Shinji kill him because he'd know the pain it would cause.

Basically, Kaworu is evil and that's the canonical character. Good people don't betray their friends and try to murder them.

>>157077780
>doesn't even bother to give counter arguments or examples

Why are you all taking the bait

>>157077883
>Even when Adam was there he asked Shinji to kill him
Never happened. Adam was never there.

Kaworufag, wake up.

>>157077938
Someone's gotta wake up the Kaworufags from their self-destructive dream.

>>157077575
Why am I insane when I have proof?

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>>157077723
>He went into dogma expecting to reclaim his original body
Which he knows will cause the eradication of mankind. Shinji included. He says so in the goddamned episode. I mean, fuck, what's wrong with you? Reading your posts is like reading the posts of someone with schizophrenic delusions.

>>157077978
Drafts you stupid boy. You can't prove he would have merged with Adam except for your butthurt fanwank.

>>157077984
You're insane because you have no proof let alone evidence, and you think you have. You lie to yourself and that's bad. You must have been living under a rock without internet access if you've NEVER seen anyone defend the Rebuilds. You're fucking insane because you claim I am "supposed to like 2.22", because I am not "supposed" to like anything. That's up to me what I like, not your insane delusions. Then at one end, you claim you've never seen people defend the rebuilds unironically, but imply that it's happening in the archives. You're on so many layers of self-deceit and doublethink it's obvious you need professional help.

>>157078045
>drafts
Drafts aren't canon you dimwit. Good job sinking your entire argument. Oh and by the way, landwhale? The fact that Kaworu TRIED and PHYSICALLY FOUGHT to do so is bad enough. That you pretend he "wouldn't have gone through with it" is the only fanwank here.

>>157077780
He says it would, he never says that's what he intends to do though, dumbass.

If you actually watched the show you'd realize SEELE sent him their precisely expecting him to fail. They say as much when he talks to their tablets out on the water. They claim they want Angels to succeed humanity as ruling the earth so he'd go to Dogma and fulfill their dead sea scrolls prophecy. They are lying to him and he knows it. He accepts it though because he thinks humanity are more worthy.

Kaworu is simply playing his part.

>>157077929
What's worse, breaking Shinji's heart or killing all of humanity? Kaworu thought he would do the latter if he lived
>Hurry. I can feel something stirring inside me. I think it's my instinct. Right now, I feel like you did before, I don't even know myself.
And Kaworu has an instinct to merge with Adam even in the drafts, I don't think that's very human.

>>157077978
I'm talking about you, you dumb fuck. You're the one who trying to bait everyone with your delusions. You know what counts? Not your shitty opinion, Anno's.
Anno said Kaworu was a genuine, good guy. His intensions weren't bad, Seele's were. He genuinely loves Shinji and did the only thing in his power so he could keep on living. Yes it did hurt him, yes he did feel betrayed, but that's how it works: you love someone, you're bound to be hurt when they end up leaving you. Shinji is a coward who doesn't want to try to open up to others because he doesn't think the pain is worth it.
That was Kaworu's lesson. Now shut the fuck up with your dumbass threads, Kaworu is fucking dead anyway

>>157078191
pic related

>>157078038
Kaworu never says he intends to trigger the impact. If he wanted to he could beat Shinji quite easily and reclaim the Adam cells from Gendo, he knows all about them. He lets himself die precisely because he has no plans to destroy humanity and his role in SEELE's plans was now over.

>>157078191
>He says it would, he never says that's what he intends to do though, dumbass.
That's fanwank. He just fought his way down there, and was about to merge until he finds out it's Lilith. It's what SEELE has explained too.

>If you actually watched the show you'd realize SEELE sent him their precisely expecting him to fail
"Expects to fail" here then implies that he was trying. Stop tripping yourself up. You will never argue against reality succesfully anon.

>Kaworu is simply playing his part.
Yes, as a plot device. He's an evil character that serves his purpose, he betrays and tries to destroy mankind, and goes out doing maximum psychological damage to Shinji.

Refute that.

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>>157078191
>>157078283
forgot to upload it twice like a retard

watch this scene and then shut up

>>157078246
>WAAAH MY FANTASY IS OK BECAUSE ANNO LIKES KAWORU WAAAH

Well if Anno told you Hitler or Pol Pot were great guys that loved not plotting to mass murder people, would you go along with that as well?

Actions > third party opinion.

Suck it.

>>157078186
They're more canon than your statements which you cant back up.
Here's the facts:
Kaworu waited for Shinji to come,
Kaworu barely paid attention to the fight, when he's the most powerful angel and could have pulverized Shinji in an instant.
Kaworu expresses doubts about what he's doing the whole descent.
Kaworu says he wanted Shinji to defeat Unit 02.
Kaworu lets Shinji grab him and kill him.

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>>157078303
>he thinks SEELE, humans, wanted angels to eradicate them and prevent instrumentality and that the whole Eva series and the attack on Nerv later were their backup plan since they were relying on Kaworu
>not realizing they sent him there to die b/c of the prophecy
>being this retarded
You're a silly bitch, anon.

>>157078205
>What's worse, breaking Shinji's heart or killing all of humanity

What's worse is giving Shinji that ultimatum - threatening to kill humanity if he doesn't kill him. That's evil. He's literally a terrorist holding mankind at gunpoint.

If Kaworu cared about humanity, he'd never try to kill them in the first place. He'd never threaten to do it.
If Kaworu care about Shinji, he'd never have Shinji kill him. He'd never put himself in that position, and got someone else to kill him, or kill himself. Maybe he didn't even have to die, as Anno himself claims.

Check mate.

>>157078355
>Kaworu waited for Shinji to come,
Nope, he didn't wait, he noticed it was Lilith and couldn't do what he wanted. Debunked.

>Kaworu barely paid attention to the fight, when he's the most powerful angel and could have pulverized Shinji in an instant.
Fanwank. He still fought Shinji and hurt him.

>Kaworu expresses doubts about what he's doing the whole descent.
Too little too late, he's already doing the descent. Debunked.

>Kaworu says he wanted Shinji to defeat Unit 02.
After the fact. Like a shitty villain saying "WELL I WANTED YOU TO DEFEAT ME". If he wanted Shinji to defeat EVA02, that is lose, he'd never fight in the first place. Debunked.

>Kaworu lets Shinji grab him and kill him.
Because he's surrounded, has no EVA, and Rei is above. Debunked.

>>157078343
Once again, you have nothing to counter what is being said to you.
Anno's word is God's word, because that's his work. Not yours, making every assumption you make that goes against what he said inaccurate.

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>>157078386
>not realizing that SEELE expected Kaworu to fail
>not realizing that that means Kaworu actually was intending to destroy mankind by reuniting with Adam

You're a retarded fat landwhale (male).

>>157078205
Come on. Be fair. If got a big bomb, and threatened to blow it up IF you didn't kill me, then I'd be a fucking psychopath. Why the fuck would Kaworu threaten to kill all of mankind?

Kaworu is absolute fucking scum, and Kaworufags doubly so for defending him. If Kaworu fans were actually fans of Kaworu's character, they'd accept that he's irredeemably evil. Now stop hating on Shinji as well please, Shinji is the victim here, not Kaworu who is the offender.

>>157078407
There's a thing called drama, yknow? If Kaworu would have killed himself would you have been on the edge of your seat like most viewers were? No.
Actually if he killed himself you'd be calling him even more of a Gary Stu. Miscommunication is a major part of the show, Kaworu didn't care about himself therefore didn't think his death would matter to Shinji, thought he had no options, blah blah. And he wanted to die anyway.

>>157078490
>Once again, you have nothing to counter what is being said to you.
Oh, so that's why I'm the only one with the arguments, and you're the only one with the snark?

You've yet to counter ANY of the facts that has been laid before you. Kaworu DID plot to destroy mankind, and he DID for a fact betray and hurt Shinji, despite claiming that he loved him. Moreover you're just admitting defeat by going with third-party opinion over the actual canon. It's fine if you claim Anno thinks Kaworu is good and all, but the series shows something else.

>>157078526
That's not what's in the series. Seele had a back up plan, Kaworu changed his mind when he met Shinji.
Stop making up shit, it's embarrassing.

>>157078526
>fat landwhale
Stop projecting, NEEtard.
And actually that proves that they expected Kaworu to not merge with Adam by giving himself up.

>>157078647
He did betray him to say his life. He let Shinji kill him so he could live.

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>>157078490
Actually, even Anno admits Kaworu isn't the "nice guy" you're talking about. Canon Kaworu is really that shit, and it's a character that's exclusively for escapist fujos and otakus, the very group Evangelion criticizes.

>>157078643
>There's a thing called drama, yknow? If Kaworu would have killed himself would you have been on the edge of your seat like most viewers were? No.

I'm not saying it's not dramatic. I'm saying drama's the point actually. But the drama of the story makes a strong statement, Kaworu was evil and deserved to die. Misato, the one without a completely ruined psyche that's more clearheaded, is able to tell it like it is: Kaworu deserved to die.

Kaworu isn't a "Gary Stu", he's a psychopath that fujos pretend is a Gary Stu. Then they get sore when they get reminded that canon Kaworu is actually a fucking dick and a plot device.

>>157078683
>That's not what's in the series.
>S-stop making up shit, it's embarrassing.
Actually, it's in this scene: >>157078321
and the scene where they start the descent. Sorry Kaworufag, but it's game over for you. It's always been game over.

>>157078750
>strange fellow
And? Everybody knows he behaves oddly.

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>>157078716
Looks like someone hit a NERV, fat landwhale (male).

>>157078717
So to save Shinji, he tried to kill Shinji. Make sense. Except not, Kaworu could just fuck off or kill himself. Leave Shinji's psyche intact for once.

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>>157066806
My personal view on Kaworu, feel free to discuss about it.

As of EoE, we know that he is an embodiment of "like/love". Thats his personality. He dont act lovable just to shinji, he tries to be a nice guy around everyone.
As he is "love" he loves all humanity, he is impressed by their achievements, he enjoys music, etc. But he knows that, because of his origin, he is fated to either destroy humanity or die before it. He chooses to die instead. (Eva was never about "fighting fate", so there is no reason to assume he could just fuck off and never trigger third impact. That isnt the point of the series.)

The problem is, kaworu, not being really human, has difficulties to understand how humans work, and how they will react. He knew shinji was the only one able to kill him, so he went and befriended his executioner, as a zen way to go off. I think he wanted to send shinji, and all humanity, the message that he was fine dying for humanity to live. I dont think he was acting towards shinji any different than he would act to anyone else in the same position.

But he didnt really understood shinji, and he had no idea how dependent on his "lovely" ways shinji would quickly become, and what his death would mean to the poor boy. Kaworu might not even consider the concept of death the same way as normal humans do, as he gets to tag along as a spirit in the LCL. To shinji, death is something much more permanent and serious.

Not considering anything from rebuilds in my theories, though.

>>157078786
So you think he's going to reveal his plan to Seele? Are you stupid or something? When we hear him think in Central Dogma, he's doubting Seele's plans and then lets Shinji kill him.
And I'm not a Kaworufag.

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The only thing that matters is ASUKA BEST GIRL.
Reifags gtfo out.

>>157078797
It means Kaworu was suppoed to be good, but he wasn't. He failed with Kaworu. It's the only character Anno admits is a failure. We don't need Anno's "word" to confirm that Kaworu is shit though, just watch NGE.

HE LITERALLY TRIES TO DESTROY THE WORLD. Kaworu is shit, end of story.

>>157078847
He didn't try to kill Shinji. He hasn't laid a hand on him, and let him kill him.

>>157078489
>Nope, he didn't wait, he noticed it was Lilith and couldn't do what he wanted. Debunked.
Was talking about before that, where he literally says
>I was waiting for you, Shinji
>Shinji's so late
And you also can't prove he would have merged if Adam was there, you keep on repeating yourself, repeating yourself when the drafts prove you wrong.
>Fanwank. He still fought Shinji and hurt him.
It's not fanwank, it's fact that Kaworu is the strongest angel with the strongest AT field.
>Too little too late, he's already doing the descent. Debunked.
But he decides not to do it because he sees how much humanity wants to live.
> If he wanted Shinji to defeat EVA02, that is lose, he'd never fight in the first place. Debunked.
It's called ACTIONN and DRAMAAA
>Because he's surrounded, has no EVA, and Rei is above. Debunked.
He lowered his AT field voluntarily, could have asked Shinji to let him go, but didn't.
>inb4 "Rei would have killed him!!!!"
Rei likes him and was sad at his death.

>>157078866
Stick to the facts over the fanwank please. Facts are that Kaworu threatened to kill mankind if he wasn't killed. He's a dangerous psychopath that shouldn't be left alive. Misato was right. He is evil, and the fact that he could betray Shinji despite claiming he "loves" him, and then attack him is proof. Good people don't do this, evil people do.

>>157078386
>he thinks SEELE, humans, wanted angels to eradicate them and prevent instrumentality and that the whole Eva series and the attack on Nerv later were their backup plan since they were relying on Kaworu
I mean you'd have to be pretty dumb not to understand this. All 26 episodes are building upon to their attack on Nerv, you constantly hear about the Eva series improvements. It's pretty clear that was always their plan, and it's outright stated the 17th Angel has to be defeated for instrumentality to begin.

>>157078903
Fail is a big word. He just said the character came out a bit different than he intended. I don't care about Kaworu, so I kind of agree with him.
He did say he intended for Rei to be creepy too

>>157078903
That also means Rei's development totally ended at episode 6!!!
And no, "strange fellow" doesn't mean evil it means he wasn't lala perfect bishounen prince.

>>157078960
>Facts are that Kaworu threatened to kill mankind if he wasn't killed
no he didn't
he wanted to be killed so they couldn't recycle his soul for third impact the way they kept doing with Rei

it's not complicated anon

>>157078959
>Was talking about before that, where he literally says
What Kaworu says is irrelevant, what we see happens is. Kaworu lies and is retarded. Trust what you see, not what Kaworu claims - take off the retard kaworufag goggles.

What we see is that the instant Kaworu reaches Lilith, he realizes it isn't Adam and makes that claim. Then immediately after, Shinji busts in. Kaworu never waited for more than a few milliseconds at most. Plus if he wanted to wait for Shinji, then WHY DIDNT HE JUST STOP EARLIER?

He literally went off without him.

>And you also can't prove he...
Wrong. You need to prove that he didn't intend to. Which you can't, because everything he was doing speaks to the fact that he was. Moreover, he says in the end that if Shinji does not kill him, mankind will perish, proving his intent to carry out.

>It's not fanwank
It is, I'm sorry. Even the AT-field bit. Watch EoE and the AT-fields there. He's not even the strongest in NGE, where Rei shows a stronger AT-field afterwards.

>It's called ACTIONN and DRAMAAA
Yeah, I agree, but it's also called "Kaworu is evil to promote drama".

>He lowered his AT field voluntarily, could have asked Shinji to let him go, but didn't.
Because he apparently wants to scar Shinji. If he cared about SHinji, why not go on living? If he needed to die, why not fling himself into the sun?

>Rei likes him and was sad at his death.
Also more fanwank.

>>157078999
>Fail is a big word. He just said the character came out a bit different than he intended
Which is a failure. Kaworu is a failure, and NOT the character Kaworufags pretend he is.

>He did say he intended for Rei to be creepy too
He never did actually.

>>157078847
>no argument except adhom
Goodbye anon.

Humor me guys
What were the Angels trying to accomplish?

>>157079038
>That also means Rei's development totally ended at episode 6!!!
Nope. Read the enitre post: " We don't need Anno's "word" to confirm"
See how you keep fucking up? It's because the whole world and all of reality is against you anon. Everything you say is a lie, and can therefore easily be disproved.

Kaworu is shit because the TELEVISION SERIES proves that he is, no matter what Anno says after the fact. That Kaworufags choose to live in delusion is nothing out of the ordinary.

>>157078999
Kaworu is a failure to attract anything except fujos or dumb people, regardless of what Anno thinks. Also Anno never said that about Rei, Kaworufags be fanwanking again.

Since we're here, this is a reminder that Rebuild Shinji dindu nuffin. NTI was stopped, Shinji and 01 went to sleep, and Kaworu and NERV destroyed the planet and everyone blamed Shinji.

>>157079060
Uh, yes, that's exactly what he did. It's either Shinji killing him, or humanity goes. Either he initiates a Lilith third impact and disappears like that, or Shinji ends it here.

>he wanted to be killed so they couldn't recycle his soul for third impact the way they kept doing with Rei
Why would Shinji killing him stop them from recycling his soul?

Stop making up things and accept the canon.

>>157079261
THIS. Shinji still gets the blame because Kaworufags and Asukafags hate Shinji, and the third Rebuild represents their hatred towards Shinji and Rei to a T. They all wanted to see the entire franchise burn, to see Shinji punished and Rei deleted out of existence after 2.22 for petty shipping reasons, and the third Rebuild gives them that, which explains why Kaworufags and Asukafags collectively rated it a 10/10 once it released. Proof is in the archives, evageeks, everywhere EVA is discussed.

>>157079203
This:
>So to save Shinji, he tried to kill Shinji. Make sense. Except not, Kaworu could just fuck off or kill himself. Leave Shinji's psyche intact for once.

is the argument, numbnuts. You can't say he was trying to "save" Shinji when was threatening to not only kill Shinji, but also EVERYONE ELSE.

>>157078874
>nido
Get the fuck out

>>157079121
>Kaworu lies
No.
>and is retarded
Naive, yeah.
>if he wanted to wait for Shinji, then WHY DIDNT HE JUST STOP EARLIER?
>He literally went off without him.
Because he wanted to check out the giant body in the basement.
>because everything he was doing speaks to the fact that he was....
No I gave facts and you just go "DEBUNKED" >Moreover, he says in the end that if Shinji does not kill him, mankind will perish, proving his intent to carry out.
>proving his intent to carry out
He has an urge to merge. He believes humanity will die if he lives, which is wrong, but it is what he believed.
>He's not even the strongest in NGE, where Rei shows a stronger AT-field afterwards.
Adam is the strongest angel and that is fact.
And his AT field is equal to Rei's.
>Because he apparently wants to scar Shinji. If he cared about Shinji, why not go on living? If he needed to die, why not fling himself into the sun?
Because he can't comprehend why humans want to live. He says this. And if he flew off into the sun that won't make for a very good show.
> Also more fanwank.
Nope, in the scripts.

>>157079427
>dont visit IBs of your own country

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except for the stupidity of this thread

>>157079529
>No.
The fact that he speaks falsely, proves that he does.

>Naive, yeah.
Don't sugarcoat it. He's a blank-minded idiot.

>Because he wanted to check out the giant body in the basement.
Not what he says, not what he intends to do either. Stop fanwanking. He was going there to merge, and through that by his own admission, destroying mankind. He can't plead ignorance here. He knew.

>No I gave facts a
Wrong. You gave fanwank. Don't get upset because you can't counter what I'm saying.

>He believes humanity will die if he lives, which is wrong, but it is what he believed.
Then if he believes that, why can't he kill himself and spare Shinji that pain? Because he's an asshole, that's why. You speak of "urge" to merge, but that simply makes it canon that he has an urge to destroy.

>Adam is the strongest angel and that is fact.
>And his AT field is equal to Rei's.
NGE 24 says otherwise. Rei is technically the second Angel, so at best, he's one of the strongest, not THE strongest. Sorry to shoot down your fanwank, but it's healthy for you.

>Because he can't comprehend why humans want to live. He says this. And if he flew off into the sun that won't make for a very good show.
Maybe, but it would make Kaworu a good person as opposed to the killer sociopath he is in the canon. Accept that he's an asshole.

>Nope, in the scripts.
It's fanwank. Rely on the show, the story in it, and don't make up alternate scenarios that aren't even relevant. So what if Rei felt pity or whatever? What does that even mean?

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>>157066806
Because Kaworu is wish fulfillment for fujoshi girls and gays.

>>157079529
It's really far simpler. Drop the fanwank, consider what makes a person good or not.

Is it "good" for a person to tell someone they love them, and then later betray them? Stab at them with a knife? Threaten to destroy them unless they kill you?

Tell me, would a good person do any of this?

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Every fucking thread. Christ, when will this end?

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>>157078913
>He didn't try to kill Shinji. He hasn't laid a hand on him

No, he just stabbed right at his fucking heart. You know visual metaphors, right? So not only is Kaworu literally stabbing at Shinji with a knife, he's also STABBING HIM IN THE HEART.

Kaworu is a crazy, fucked up retard of an asshole, and it's about time Kaworufags admit they worship a literal psychopath.

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>>157078874
Asuka has the soul of 3DPD, no thanks.

>>157079725
>The fact that he speaks falsely, proves that he does
He says he was waiting for Shinji and he waits for Shinji.
>Don't sugarcoat it. He's a blank-minded idiot.
NO U.
>He was going there to merge
He says this in the drafts:
>I've reached my destination. I have no intent to continue fighting. I never wanted to quarrel with you in the first place.
And he says his continued existence would end humanity, not that he intended to merge.
>Wrong. You gave fanwank.
None of this is fanwank: >>157078355 except maybe the strongest angel part. But by your own admission he's one of the stronger ones, so he could definitely have won that fight.
>why can't he kill himself and spare Shinji that pain?
Because this is NGE and pain is good. And the price of getting close to Kaworu, the person Shinji reveals everything to, is that the hedgehog's dilemma bites you back in full force.
>Maybe, but it would make Kaworu a good person as opposed to the killer sociopath he is in the canon. Accept that he's an asshole.
It makes Kaworu a person who makes mistakes as opposed to a Gary Stu.
Also he says this in the drafts:
>You're the only one who can end my life. If it's by your hand, nothing could bring me greater joy, even death.
>It's fanwank. Rely on the show, the story in it, and don't make up alternate scenarios that aren't even relevant. So what if Rei felt pity or whatever? What does that even mean?
I only brought it up to prove Rei wouldn't have killed him if he tried to leave, he wasn't cornered.

>>157079808
Yes.

>>157080840
>Yes
So let me guess, you're on the spectrum?

>>157079808
>what makes a person good or not
Nothing, retard.
There is no such thing as "good" or "bad" people. Hell, there is even no concept of "good" or "bad" it all depends on your point of view, everything is always beneficial for some and a loss to others. Fucking retard, I didn't give a damn about the whole "Kaworu is eviiil" - stupid argument but this post just triggered me.
End yourself.

>>157081086
>butthurt Kaworufag trying to play it off
Then I guess you don't mind that Kaworu is evil then. Discussion settled.

>>157081120
Yeah whatever, kill yourself. You're a disgrace to your parents and Norway.

>>157081200
>Yeah whatever, kill yourself. You're a disgrace to your parents and Norway.
What? You're mentally insane, stop pretending you're different people already.

>>157081288
Can you stop bumping this thread kudasai?

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>>157080748
>He says he was waiting for Shinji and he waits for Shinji.
He never says that in episode 24. You're delusional. He actively kept Shinji from keeping up with him, and went onwards without Shinji. Picture proof. He was NOT waiting for Shinji at all.

>NO U.
He's retarded. Admit it.

>He says this in the drafts:
He says this in NGE episode 24, on more than one occasion. He says that if Shinji didn't kill him - they would be destroyed.

>None of this is fanwank:
It's all fanwank except the last three which are irrelevant as mentioned earlier.

>Because this is NGE and pain is good. And the price of getting close to Kaworu, the person Shinji reveals everything to, is that the hedgehog's dilemma bites you back in full force.
That's not an argument. We know Kaworu is an evil asshole as part of the story. This is just about you accepting the fact that he is. Yes, it is part of the story that Kaworu is an evil asshole. Deal with it. Your fanwank isn't real.

>It makes Kaworu a person who makes mistakes as opposed to a Gary Stu.
There wasn't any "mistake" here, it was his will, his last will and testament by his own words, and he did threaten to destroy everyone if he didn't get his way. That's not a mistake or an accident, it was premeditated. Kaworu isn't a Gary Stu, he's a retard. We agree here.

>Also he says this in the drafts:
>drafts
Irrelevant. Drafts never happened, the show did.

>I only brought it up to prove Rei wouldn't have killed him if he tried to leave, he wasn't cornered.
Which is again, fanwank on your part. You just can't into metaphors and understanding of context.

Behind Kaworu, Lilith's body.
Before him, a copy of Lilith's body.
Above him, a human with Lilith's soul.

He's completely cornered. Why else would Rei be there? Even if she felt sorry for him (your words/opinion, not mine) then why didn't she stop him getting murdered?

You need to face it, Kaworu is shit.

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>>157066806

>Kaworu: Now, erase me from this world.
>Kaworu: If you dont, you will be the ones who are erased.

That's a threat. You don't unironically threaten people you """love""" with death. The episode shows Kaworu's true colors, a genocidal maniac waiting to happen unless put down.

>>157081442
also below Kaworu is Lilith's black egg.

He's right inside a goddamned hive of angry ants who all want him dead (except Shinji), and the queen is eyeballing him from all angles.

>>157081442
>You're delusional
He was waiting for Shinji to wake up and come with Unit 01, during the fight he went to check out Lilith. Picture related, he seems very regretful.
>He says that if Shinji didn't kill him - they would be destroyed.
Like I said, because he believes that's the case. It's not like he wants to kill them.
>That's not an argument.
How about this, he has no interest in living and has no self worth, so he doesn't believe his life matters to Shinji.
>he did threaten
Jesus Christ stop, this is a 15 year old boy, not a terrorist.
He says this, not very threatening:
>Now, please erase me, otherwise you will be erased.
>The living thing that escape the time of annihilation and that obtains the future is only one.
>And, you are not the one that must die.
>There wasn't any "mistake" here
Yes there was a mistake, he made a mistake thinking his death would solve everything and make things better. Except it didn't.
>Drafts never happened, the show did.
They imply he couldn't have died by his own means.
>He's completely cornered
And you say he could have flew off in the sun. How would he do that if he was cornered? He never believed he was cornered. He wanted to die of his own will, for people's sakes.

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>>157082091
Forgot picture, whoops.

>>157081442
>It's all fanwank except the last three which are irrelevant as mentioned earlier.
It happens directly in the show, it's not fanwank or irrelevant, and it shows Kaworu didn't want to do what he was brought up to do.