>The most cathartic and climactic scene in the entire ser

By that logic any reuse of a chord progression is plagiarism. I liked the song it fit well. Especially when everyone gets tanged

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Did you know Asuka is a straight up plagiarism of Kushana?

Anno even copied from doujins. What a crappy character.

>>157035453
Kom Susser Tod is a better song than Hey Jude and I'd listen to it over Hey Jude 10 times out of 10

>>157035841
>Anno liked Asuka so much he copied from his favorite doujins, yet managed to create an original and interesting character
>Results in one of the most realistic portrayals of fragile teenagers
>Simple, yet amazing and easily recognizable character design
>She withstands the hardships of loneliness and bravely comes back to face the reality
>The author openly says she's the best girl
Based

>>157036774
Shitty waifu for shitty plebs like yourself.

>>157035841
>nausicaa is doujin

>>157036862
>.
Wow, you sure showed me there, kiddo
Stay mad at my and Anno-san's superior taste

>>157037030
Kill yourself retard.

>>157035453
what is wrong with you op?

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Thank God for Rebuild.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRWnSPgOzHc

>>157038101
Cancer

This scene just made me mad. Komm Susser Tod fit NGE's tone so perfectly but this just felt forced. Like "omg it's like old eva!! wacky music!!" Not to mention it's just a kid's folk song or whatever, not a song about suicide.

>>157035453
Plagiarized how? Hey Jude didn't invent the pop song with chorus accompaniment and what >>157035659 said stands as well. You just don't know anything about music so you're comparing it to the one other song you know that is similar.

Komm Susser Tod is a song about the end of humanity as we know it, and the feeling being conveyed is sad about what's happened but joyful about what's soon to come. One of the major warning signs that a person is about to commit suicide is when somebody who's been acting miserable suddenly brightens up from the relief of knowing they have a plan and the pain will be over soon. (Then they start doing stuff that you might expect of someone who'll be dead in another week: seeing all their friends one last time, spending money recklessly, taking care of unfinished business in general, etc.) You can dislike the song just as a matter of taste but it still captures that irony of looking at death like the magic solution to every problem you've ever had and looking forward to it.

>this is bait in 2017

Boring

>>157041242
Hi Anno! It would be a shame if someone forwarded plagiarism to the beatles now wouldnt it...

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Eva is bad

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>>157035453
>Different melody
>Different chord progression

Hey Jude is in F while Komm Süsser Tod is in A#. Put some effort next time anon.

>>157043492
Boy is Rahxephon boring. I've watched it twice and all I remember is the reptilian mother with weird voice.

can someone give a quick rundown of the end of evangelion. the last episode was fucking retarded

>>157044326
Just watch it anon

>>157035453

They are barely alike

>>157044326
I don't think someone could actually.

>>157044326
>>157046667
>they couldn't understand end of evangelion

people like you actually exist?

my retarded 8 year old brother perfectly understood it

>>157043492
>invincible in battle
this is not a positive thing, its just boring.
>senpai baka
kill yourself

>>157035453
The "religious" apocalypse was always supposed to be an event of joy for believers, he just copied that and many more things, you should had know it by the end.

Simply put, eva is just regurgitated shit by a sad homosexual japanese otaku.

>>157043492
>i don't understand evangelion
>it's bad
>wtf is going on
>dumb plot
>i want something more simple

>nb4 the "Shinji is a pussy" crowd coming in.

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I just started the animu yesterday.
I just started episode 24.

I don't think I've ever seen characters and situation fall apart as hard and as fast as I did in episode 19 on wards.
People said it was more a character drama but I don't think I expected this. I won't praise this for being a masterpiece, but god damn if people weren't right about everything hitting the fan hard.
I love it.

>>157050390
You need to watch the movie, the TV end was botched due to outside pressure

>>157050390
i love it too, but production difficulties objectively gave us a worse product than what it could have been.

they needed a few more episodes in the middle to space out the angel appearances and actually show the cohesion and inward growth of the pilots before they begin to collapse. something to make as actually feel like the three pilots were developing relationships with eachother instead of rei being boring old distant rei like she was in the beginning, and asuka being a cute tsundere into a straight-up hateful unlikable bitch. Shinji and Misato displayed great growth in the middle of the series, the other two pilots desperately needed something like that.

some other things like ritsuko's breakdown needed more than 1 episode and asuka's backstory being revealed earlier and her actually doing something and having character development instead of being catatonic and having like 4 lines in the last 7 episodes and movie is also necessary

further explanations of things like the spear of longinus, dead sea scrolls, SEELE's actual goals, fruit of knowledge/fruit of life, how asuka's mom got involved in the EVA project, etc is needed

it sucks because i love the anime but some of these problems are so apparent and obvious its hard too ignore them. If anyone of you have seen The Wire, imagine if Naymond in season 4 never had the scenes with his dad and mom, but everything else was the same and we were supposed to feel sympathetic for this smart kid who doesn't fit in the ghetto. It's a fucking mess of storytelling.

>>157035453
asuka best

>>157050796
which movies though.
1.0 and 2.0?
Or all the other ones on KissAnime that I've never heard of?

>>157050918
Short bursts of stuff works a lot more to leave more to the imagination, but I agree. Some things could have been explained more.

Moving onto 25.

>>157051153
End of evangelion

>>157051384
what about 1.0 and 2.0, senpai?
I've only heard not to watch 3.0

>>157050390
Watch episode 25 and 26, then End of Evangelion.

>>157050390
>>157051153
Is that you 8gb-kun?

>>157050390
Enjoy the movie.

>>157051422
all the new shit is shit, don't watch it, only watch the original series and end of evangelion

>>157035453
pffft. that nausicaa song was way worse. you know the one.

>>157051634
1.0's Ramiel fight is fucking amazing though so there's that

>>157051551
ye
>>157051609
>>157051634
>>157051519
okay senpai. think I"ll probably stop after 26 for the night though and watch EoE tomorrow. Just marathoned from episode 8 to now so think I need a fucking break

>>157051422
The rebuilds are another full discussion. A lot of hate because there are a lot of changes and an uneasy feeling about it. There is no reason what so ever to watch it as soon as you finish the original run, as it will confuse you, there are a few contradictory stuff, etc.
Finish the series and the EoE movie. Let it sink in, read explanations and theories, come here, try to discuss, build an opinion about it of the next few weeks / months.
When you feel you want see some of the "alternate" eva stuff, go for it.

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>>157051745
actually fuck it, I know what's at the end of 26 and I think it will only serve to make me upset.
As much as I like character dev and monologue, I think i'm honestly gonna have to rewatch 25 before I move on to 26 and EoE

I rarely get baited but you've got me OP. Komm Susser Todd is structurally completely different from Hey Jude. They both open with the same chord progression, then deviate entirely.

>>157051838
>actually fuck it, I know what's at the end of 26 and I think it will only serve to make me upset.

it made everyone mad but it was only made because Anno ran out of money/time. Think of it as a really shitty metaphor for the movie which is the true canon ending.

>>157051838
26 is even more monologue and character development than 25. I think you will like 26, the ending actually has a lot of weight, it just looks silly without context.
But sure, both 25 and 26 are super dense and worth multiple watches.

I remember when i first finished eva. I started around episode 16 at midnight saying "i will only watch one episode tonight and sleep". I finished EoE around 7AM of that day

>>157051921
>Really shitty metaphor.
Although not canon, its pretty clear anno put effort and though on it, and it was a decent closure to the characters, even though it felt too "deus ex machina-y" and "perfect" against the rest of the series.

Plus all monologues can be considered "canon-like behavior".

>>157051986
I don't doubt I'll like it, it's just a lot to take in for my autstic mind to not start scrubbing the video buffer preview for different things and seeing more monologue and I'd rather give it a fair chance again when I'm not tired and burnt out.

>>157051986
>26 is even more monologue and character development
>character development

lets not go that far

does this show even hold up? haven't seen it in well over a decade. been getting the urge to rewatch.

>>157052076
>does this show even hold up? haven't seen it in well over a decade. been getting the urge to rewatch.

It's the best anime, in 2017 and probably in 2027

>>157052076
dont watch it, i did for the first time recently and i cant even get into anything else once I finished it. NGE was the pinnacle of anime and nothing comes fucking close.

>>157051986
how are they "super dense"?

>>157052076
i thought the sephirotic torrent batch was bretty darn gud

>>157052070
Come on anon, Its all about shinji accepting himself, and others. To end his self hate.

Its like the biggest and most expected development in the entire fucking series. Sure, EoE make it much more flashy, but still the same message.

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>>157035453
neon genesis is so boring

how did people end up assigning so much 'symbolism' to it?

>>157052193
>Its all about shinji accepting himself, and others. To end his self hate.

didn't he do that like 4 separate times in the main series?

>>157052153
>pinnacle
>not FLCL

kek

>>157052233
>all of the religious imagery and names are literally just Anno saying there's no meaning and 'IT ROOKS INTERESTING TO JAPANESE PEOPRE'

Here comes the anti-fun squad. It was nice discussing things with you guys for a few moments.

>>157052167
Compared to the average episode, there is a lot more of dialogue, some imagery, some metaphors, some quick changes about subject. It isnt hard to get a little lost and miss up a detail or 2.

Maybe they arent "SUPER" dense as i said, but are certainly worth a rewatch, specially after EoE, to catch things you didnt catch earlier on.

>>157035453
Neon Genesis Evangelion sucks.
The porn is bad because they're all 14.
The characters are not only bad people, but also unlikable. (Compared to say, Char Aznable, who is bad but likable).
The plot is bad.
Anno is a hack and a hypocrite.

>>157052238
Naw, most of the times its just he deciding to try to help others, not even for a altruistic reason, he does it because he fucking NEEDS those praises he recieves. He still hates himself till the ever last episode.

>>157052319
>The porn is bad because they are all 14

Too old?

>>157052076
>21 year old show
>Still has 1-4 threads daily
This kind of stuff dont happen for no reason

>>157052233
it is boring, isn't it?

I only remember the few angel fights. the rest is just BLAH BLAH BLAH I'M SUCH AN OUTCAST ABLOO BLOO

>>157052319
>The porn is bad because they're all 14.
Asuka is 13 for most of it, so its fine.

>>157052367
the angel fights were the most boring parts in my book, did you know there was originally going to be something like 30 angel fights?

>>157052338
im confused about that
You say that, and shinji himself says he's sneaky and manipulative

But prying open Rei's plug seemed to be an automatic reaction, same with white knighting into a volcano for Asuka and cleaning Rei's apartment with only Touji to witness him

Whats he manipulating and not being altruistic about
I mean yeah he's really codependent on asuka but thats it as far as i can see

>>157052358
It's because of renewed interest due to the Rebuilds.

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>>157052238
Sure did. His forgetting doesn't invalidate it and he isn't wrong for forgetting, it's just the same cognitive quirk that allows people to live even if life is mostly trash.

>>157052555
That's the realest and most depressing part of Eva imo.

The characters in the show relapse after every time they seem to make progress.

Real change requires time, effort, and willingness to fuck up a lot on the way...

>>157052426
The real "manipulative" we see in EoE, how he start ignoring misato and rei because he is afraid of them and dont think nothing good will come from it. He dont think their friendship is worth the effort to overcome those hardships. Is that REALLY friendship? Wasnt there just an glimpse of manipulation? While the relationship is in a "stable" level is all cool and nice, but when it reachs a certain critical point, he bails and go for the next best relationship available, in EoE case, asuka.
"Mustnt run away" isnt just a silly thing he says. It was HE who left gendo when he though his relationship with his father was bad, not gendo who sent him away.

>>157052660
Maybe, just maybe, the instrumentality was the turning point. I mean, if that kind of experience dont change you, nothing ever will.
Thats why i see EoE as a happy ending. They already hit rock bottom, time to recover. What happens next is up to you, but i think a healthy life / friendships arent out of reach.

Then comes Anno with the FUCKING Rebuilds.

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>>157052863
Huuuuh
So its friendship thats all flash and no substance.
Easy acts or quick heroic acts but when shit gets real with Kaji's death or Rei being outed as a clone he just holes up.

Okay, i'll take that.

Though the thing with his dad is do we ever really know the context of it?
Shinji says he ran away and then he says his father dumped him at various points in the show but all we ever see of the actual incident was just him crying at a train stop
Unreliable narrators

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>>157035453
REI IS BEST GIRL
ANNO CAN FUCK OFF

>>157052952
Yeah, he comes to a real resolution at the end and while he floats to the surface he even makes peace with the real chance he may not even find his happiness.

And then Shinji choked a bitch on the beach.
Whether those tears afterwards were more tears of (even more) regret or earnest relief I could never figure out

>>157052863
He also seeks attention by deliberately trying to get people to feel sorry for him.
Misato even calls him out on it.
And all that talk about how others don't understand him, when he makes no effort to understand others himself. He runs away from Toji, Rei and Misato when they present problems to him. Anno even said that him killing Kaworu was "running away" because he could have talked him out of it. Though I don't blame him in that situation.

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>mfw for most of the time i knew of Eva i only knew of the meme analysis of the symbolism that turned out to be just window dressing
>mfw the characters have their own layers behind them that's right in front of everyone

but why did the noise in the former get so much attention

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>>157053002
We get context for that, Gendo sent him away at 5ish years old but kept intermittent contact until Shinji stopped showing up. Only vague implications from Shinji's side as to why.

>>157053307
I am not even sure if gendo does send him away. I cant remember it. I see it possible for shinji to have actually fled to his teacher house.

Gendo being about the same autistic retard as shinji, didnt went after him, maybe he sent the old guy some money.

Someone post that one book cover.

>>157053300
Most of the people are stupid

They want to look smart so they try very hard

Symbolism make you look smart without actually needing to "get" the actual point

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>>157053373
There's pretty much no way this was Shinji's idea. Though he likely did take the train ride alone.

I really like the way NGE story is paced, the moodswings of the series. It makes good use of that idea of "you only know how painful is to fall down when you are really high up before".

The story reminds me of a rollercoaster.

It starts in a "neutral position" little bleak, shinji is depressed from the start, rei has some very creepy vibes.
But the things start going up. Shinji saves rei, they smile a lot, asuka pops up and so far she seens a very happy quirky character to lift up the mood. We get what i consider the "happiest moment" in Eva, which is their "dance". It almost feels like the series is a happy saturday morning cartoon for little kids.

Then there is the kiss which seen like a good thing for the first time viewer, but is already the start of the downfall.

After that is a very steep decline till the very end of the series. Shinji almost die twice, everything about toji, asuka mind rape, rei's death, everything about kaworu, EoE...

>>157035453
>>157043789

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKCEiNk198E

>>157043492

>sinister looking, bad posture
missed the point of what an eva unit is, did you?

>plugged in
not just a great touch of realism way ahead of its time, but also a solid world building characterization of the eva unit that plugs a huge contrivance of mecha in almost all other media from fallout to iron man to just about all other anime. They even address it in the series. (nuclear powered eva clone)

>Guns and knives
That are mostly ineffective and is another aspect that grounds the series.

>Actually a shitty monster cloned by a mad scientist and covered in armor
So you didn't miss the point of what an Eva unit is

>gives the pilot panic attacks and traumatizes him for life
Sorry, so you DID miss the point of what the Eva unit is

Let me guess, your 3x3 includes a picture of Kirito standing on a bridge being attacked by 7 guys?

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>>157053962
incredible

>>157053300
I've just put all the symbolism down to aesthetics. Sure you can look at all the reglious symbolism as Anno taking out his frustrations in life on god but really it just looked cool.

Same as the vaginas everywhere

>author intention
>worth shit
2/10 see me after class.

>>157053300
Pretty simple: the average fiction, specially anime, are PLOT driven stories.
People are used to try to go after plot points. Eva actually refuses to explain many plot points. What is adam and lilith, whats the spear of longinus, the s2 engine, so many fucking detais are never explained.
How is the ritual going, why is rei lilith.

People focus on that and end up saying eva makes no sense.

Eva is a character driven story, when you pay attention to that side, it all becomes much easier.

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>>157053300
Because at the time the largest portion of the audience was too young to see the second point as easily as the first.

>>157054177
The godfather of visual nightmare fuel loved vaginal imagery more than even Georgia O'Keeffe, but he didn't make excuses for it like she did. Picture only semi-related because I didn't want to break blueboard rules.

>>157036006
bad taste
bad you

>>157054433
Giger was a fucking amazing artist. Now that you talked about him, i really fucking wish anno made eva design more giger-like.
They already are biomechanical creatures and the fixation to dicks amd vaginas does match with the freud themes anno seem to love so much. It would fit like a glove

>>157054591
Not him but i think that most the bettles musics are boring, and that they are very overrated.

>>157054647
very fresh and original opinion tell me more

>>157054591
I agree with him. I like the beetles but Kom Susser Tod holds a place in my heart for what it added to instrumentality. And depressing lyrics+upbeat song is something I love

>>157054619

Well they might have been under the armor. Adam regenerating when the spear was pulled was very lovecraftian/gigerish. I think that was meant to clue us into what sort of abomination was under the armor. Also realize the limitations of animation and Giger and his style is all in the details, it would have been difficult to convey and execute, even today.

Tangential bonus that came to mind. Sure you've seen it, but just in case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QFwo57WKwg

>>157054924
This is my favourite anime

>>157053764
i personally wanted more slice of life episodes in the middle. i agree wholeheartedly that you need to highest highs to feel the lowest lows, but it never actually felt that happy to begin with. only shinji and misato had a real relationships, even when the 3 pilots were supposed to be 'close', it really didn't feel like it. more episodes to flesh out their relationships and make them deeper (maybe have asuka confide her past and insecurities to shinji or something, have rei and asuka have a womanly/fellow maternal relationship develop) and then have the big collapse later on.

i mean i know anno ran out of time and money but it would have been far better with more meat in the middle of the show.

>>157052070
It puts his time during Instrumentality into context - without it he comes to a quick realization and has a nice chat with his mum.

>>157052367
>I'M SUCH AN OUTCAST
What

>>157036862
4chan probably wouldn't exist if asuka never existed.

>>157052238
>>157052555
And people think the Rebuilds aren't canon because they retread familiar ground.

>>157043492
rahxephon is such a kiddie snoozefest.

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>>157050390
it's a masterpiece. that's why we still talk about it every day twenty years later.

>>157055833
yeah but if they talked, well they probably wouldn't have collapsed

big part of the show is what happens when you DONT talk

to be able to talk substantively you have to be willing to open up about things you wanna talk about

and that just wasnt happening with the show's cast

>>157054924
>Adam regenerating when the spear was pulled was very lovecraftian/gigerish.

that was lilith

>>157056054
Shinji and Misato confided in eachother and it worked well. I'm just saying, if Asuka attempts to trust Shinji/Misato/Rei it would have been better even if she doesn't go all the way through with it. Even if Asuka only barely alludes to her darkest secrets, having her actually bond with Shinji and Rei would have led to a more tragic downfall and made a more sentimental betrayal when Kaji and Misato get back to together.

Seriously, at the top of my head the only scene in the entire series where Misato and Asuka have any sort of friendship shown is at the hot springs after the Magma Diver incident. I just think that the middle of the show needed to be fleshed out more.We didn't need like 5-6 angels in a row. Episode 9 with Shinji and Asuka having to be in perfect sync was great and I thought would lead to an interesting dynamic, but nope, she was still just LOL TSUNDERE ANIME CHICK until Misato fucks Kaji and Shinji catches up his sync tests. Then she's just totally apathetic.

>>157057440
Perhaps the show would have been better without Asuka

>>157057316

I just checked since something doesn't make sense and I re-watched the series not 2 days ago. Is it a dub mistake?

Episode 22

Around the 23 minute mark

Gendo
>Rei, go to Dogma and get the lance

Kozo
>Use the lance of loginus? You can't do that Akari!

Gendo
>There is no other way to destroy a target that remains in orbit beyond the reach of our AT fields, proceed.

Misato
>But I thought if Adam and Eva were to come into contact it would cause the third impact?

... uh.

>>157057984
Why

do you

type

like this

?

>>157058009
Because it would look like shit if it were typed like this.

I just checked since something doesn't make sense and I re-watched the series not 2 days ago. Is it a dub mistake?
Episode 22
Around the 23 minute mark
Gendo
>Rei, go to Dogma and get the lance
Kozo
>Use the lance of loginus? You can't do that Akari!
Gendo
>There is no other way to destroy a target that remains in orbit beyond the reach of our AT fields, proceed.
Misato
>But I thought if Adam and Eva were to come into contact it would cause the third impact?
... uh.

>>157057984
that it was lilith they had in the basement and not adam was top secret.
at the time, Misato wasn't in the loop

>>157057984
The thing on the cross is Lilith. Adam is the embryonic thing that Kaji brings to Gendo in a suitcase back around when Asuka gets introduced, and Gendo later puts it into his hand (which later goes inside of Rei). Misato didn't know shit.

>>157058079
That looks far better.

Anyway through out the show they refer to lilith as adam for reasons.

>>157058185
Why do you

Type like this?

>>157058228
Because I wanted to split up my message into the 2 topics I was referring to. Is that ok?

>>157058279
I

guess

so

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>>157043492
Shinji really is just the fucking worst.

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>>157035453
>listening to the beetles

>>157057984
All Eva units apart from 001 are derived from Adam, they are related to the angels. Lillith is in the basement with the Lance. Misato stupidly believes the meme Gendo made up about if an Angel or Adam-like being makes contact with Lillith it would cause Third Impact. Gendo made this up just so people would help fight the Angels. And anyway, people obsessing over the rules of the Eva universe are fucking stupid, the important thing is the message, not the fantasy science--
>dub
Oh. You're just retarded then.

>>157058185
I've seen it wanked that Fuyutsuki and Gendo call it Adam between themselves because Gendo's office, where they discuss their script and Rei, is bugged and they only care about hiding that one thing.

The reason is that it was Adam until Anno decided it wasn't.

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>>157035453
Daily reminder

>>157043492
Do Rahxephon fans still pretend it wasn't an NGE rip?

The fact that so many books still name the Beatles as “the greatest or most significant or most influential” rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success. The Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worthy of being saved.

>>157060317
Asuka is a bitch and I dont like bitches

>>157051745
I feel happy for you anon, you're about to experience on of the most amazing films you'll ever seen.

I wish I could watch EoE for the first time ever again

>>157060317
>it's another dumbass thinks Rei has no emotions or personality and is totally inhuman despite staggering evidence to the contrary
One could argue no-one is more human than Rei considering Lillith is the progenitor of all humanity.

I think what trips up morons like this anon is the fact there are several Reis throughout the series as Gendo has to give her different/new fragments of Lillith's soul after she 'dies'. That's what accounts for so much of her personality shifts.

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>>157060317
>wanting to fuck a more violent genderbent version of yourself
>totally normal
>wanting to fuck a clone whose body is partially reconstituted from your mother's DNA
>WEIRD AND WRONG
ok

reminder Kaworu is best girl

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>>157060427
Not this shit again

>>157060381
At least some of them rightfully place Pet Sounds above any Beatles shit.

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>>157060317
>let's take the most shallow and basic analysis of the show and glorify it as if it's deep or even accurate

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>>157060670
You tell me what's the d e e p e s t thing in the anime

>>157060747
This whole show was 1 mans struggle to bring his waifu back to life

>>157035453
https://youtu.be/IE1HgcjClx0
This was the better song anyway.

I can't believe most people haven't even heard it because it was only in the shitty recap films.

>>157060427
>no-one is more human than Rei considering Lillith is the progenitor of all humanity
Dude, humans are actual things, in the real world; bible magic god myths are not actually real and don't mean anything in describing human interaction in the real world, think about what you wrote

>>157052076
it ruine anime for me, everything pales in comparison

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>>157061037
Are you fucking insane? Mythology is massively informative about human behavior, we invented those gods, they say a lot about humanity, doubly so since they in turn have informed the thoughts and behaviors of groups that believe them. The difference in Eva is, they're real

. If you can't understand the depth of Rei's humanity you can never understand the significance of EoE, why do you think she chose to grant Shinji his 'wish'? Betray Gendo? It's hugely important, there's a empathic connection there that serves as the series' most essential plot device.

>>157061343
but toilet

>>157058595
Fuck off, Shinji is best and did nothing wrong.
>he is a Marifag
expected

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>this is the first major plot point of the fan declared "better" ending to Eva
>also the last major plot point of EoE
Really made me think

>>157054689
A lot more original than thinking The Beatles are good.

>>157052555
God damn it Shinji, get it together.

>>157058595
Truly.
He could at least be charming and witty to make up for it, instead he's as boring as they come.

>>157061633
>>He could at least be charming and witty to make up for it, instead he's as boring as they come.
>what is creating a character viewers can relate with

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>>157061633
Or you could stop being a retarded shounenfag to make up for your boring posts.
How very unexpected the only people who hate Shinji are shounenfag and Marifag.

>>157061720
>everyone is a depressed wimp
You know, he could've just manned up and got all the pussy while fighting in giant robots

>>157061887
This is 90s japan. Their economy was down the drain and future looking bleak. Of course they were a depressed bunch.

And it was aimed at the japs, of course its going to be some wimp. Thats a given.

>>157061829
I'm no shounenfag, it's just a fact that Shinji is a boring person.
>How very unexpected the only people who hate Shinji are shounenfag and Marifag
Forced meme. People have very real reasons to dislike Shinji, it's not just because they remind him of themselves or they can't self insert or whatever.

>>157061343
didn't read lol

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>>157062234
>tfw half the pleasure I derive from NGE is knowing that I understood it where most don't
You'll never know how much I appreciate your baka-self anon.

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If Komm Susser Tod is a rip of anything, it's of A Whiter Shade of Pale, which, in turn, is a rip off of Bach's music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb3iPP-tHdA

>>157062447
Sweet tiger pic.

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>>157062336
>implying implications
anon-kun, please, you're embarrassing

>>157062033
>is a boring person
Since when everyone has to be entertaining? That's how people act in real life, they don't constantly do funny stuff and joke around. Especially in Shinji's situation when he has no reason to act happy.
>People have very real reasons to dislike Shinji
Fine, not like any was presented yet. "Boring" is not a real reason.

>>157054924
Im several hours too late, but yeah, they would need extremelly high budget for any scene with an Eva under the armor.

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>The most cathartic and climactic scene in the entire series and movie compilation
>a straight up plagiarism of 'Lizard' plays

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdzYMKnGS5Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHdYXUHl06o

why the FUCK is this allowed? i literally couldn't stop laughing. it ruined the entire third movie and franchise.

So, i want to discuss a little about the ending and the whole idea of "coming back from the LCL".
During the komm susser scene, we see even the soldier / scientists that died several minutes / hours before getting tanged. Plus asuka and misato are in the instrumentality, so its safe to assume it works on the dead too.
Asuka herself was actually brought back from the dead with it.

My question is, how far does it go to tang dead people? Would kaji, dead for 8-10 days still get tanged and given a new chance at life? Or is it too late for him?

Why is Eva the GOAT anime?

>>157063570
Because I enjoy it and thats enough for me

>>157036006
AGREED
the beatles are a bunch of overrated faggots

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Anno you fucking fuck, it's been 22 years already

>>157063675
It will be finished after the godzilla rebuilds. Theres only 30 of them to do, easy peasy.

>>157063455
There was no Rei to 'witness' Kaji getting plugged in the head
poor guy is gone

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>>157063675
Kaworu should have been a girl

>>157060427
Lol dude go outside there you actually see real humans Lilith is just your saturday morning cartoon character.

>>157063675
They started working on it just a couple of weeks ago. It'll be a while.

Does Eva need 3 different threads? Fuck off.

>>157061487
not really

Would shinji pray for rei and kaworu? He knows their turth and that they still around.

>>157068669
>pray
Adam and Lilith are no gods

>>157068737
>created humans
>not gods

>>157068840
>created
Humans weren't their creation, they're just vessels

>>157068883
Wrong.
Lilith created humans, and Adam created their equivalent the angels.

>>157068916
>created
Wrong.
Souls (or one soul, which was later split) were created by the First Ancestral Race and inserted into the Chamber of Guf. The seeds of life were programmed to deliver this life to various planets. The spears are FAR's tools programmed to control the work of these seeds.

>>157069057
Do angels have souls?

>>157068737
They end the series as omnipresent spirits that probably know everything about every human. They might not be omnipotent gods, but they certainly can provide consulting.

>>157069085
Yes. Although souls are quite strange.

>>157069057
Wrong.
The First Ancestral Race only created the seeds.

>>157036774
It means Asuka is a fetish puppet made for the author to get off to. That's why he likes her the most.

>>157036890
No that's another doujing called "Bridal Veil".

>>157069141
Wrong. Both seeds of life were given different "fruits" which were destined to spawn different types of creatures. Fruit of knowledge spawned humans and fruit of life spawned angels. It was decided by the creators of these fruits, therefore the First Ancestral Race.

>>157051689
the opening theme is god-tier though?

>>157069281
Wrong.
FAR made the seeds and their fruits, but not the humans and angels made by the seeds.
If anything they're grandparents.

>>157069898
>humans and angels made by the seeds
source please

>>157069974
Evangelion.

>>157069995
>no quote
Opinion discarded.

>>157035453
I'm not hearing it.

>>157070029
>no argument
Post discarded.

>>157070113
>No argument
Not an argument.
>still no quote
Opinion still discarded.

>>157070220
see >>157070113

>>157070238
>still no quote
see >>157070029

>>157060341
I like it, but Rahxephon is very much Eva: Misato Wins edition

>>157068564
>one of if not the most influential and highly regarded bands in music history
>thinking that they are good is an original opinion
What world do you live in, buddy?

>>157070447
>thinking that they are good is an original opinion
not what i said dipshit

>>157052245
>flcl >pinneacle
Nice bait mate

>>157052245
Is there anything more to FLCL than "your dick starts acting up at a certain age"? That's what I got from it. Felt a bit like a PSA.

>>157069974
The manga and the ps2 game, both of which had anno input and are supported for a few extra data books here and there
>b-but not canon source, i only believe it if anno write me a particular letter explaining it.
Thats the best mythology explanation for the series.

>>157070943
a particular quote from said sources, please
also both of these were based on Anno's interviews, therefore aren't that reliable
>b-but muh best we have
"best we have" doesn't mean true

>>157071030
>>157070943
Sorry, meant to say they were ONLY based on some of Anno's interviews and were still made with artistic freedom. We don't have that info in his interviews, therefore the source isn't reliable

>>157068495
Just goes to show how much of a masterpiece Eva actually is.

>>157035453
Eva needed to have more classic music. It goes well with it.

>>157074057
Any more would have been overkill imo

>>157060317
Rei definitely does have some subtle humanity and development
But I agree with everything that said about Asuka too
People should be able to critically analyze the show without being biased torwards their waifu

>>157074179
>People should be able to critically analyze the show without being biased torwards their waifu
20 years of discussion proved thats impossible.

>>157074179
If we critically analyze the show, we actually come to the conclusion that Asuka best represents escapism and regressive/stagnant behavior, and that Rei actually represents personal improvement and the acceptance of reality as a method of learning more about yourself and others.

I think this is fairly obvious from watching NGE, which is why fans of Asuka aggressively try to push the nonsense in the pic related.

>>157062447

Underrated post. Came to post it myself.

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>>157065275

If anything he should have been a guy in a dress. That would have made him even more like Ikuhara.

there's like this one song from a mario game or somethin that reminds me of it but i can't remember what it was. probably the end-credits for some game.

>>157063570
It's not. Original Gundam is.

The only reason Eva is still relevant is because of the movies.

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>>157077152
Funniest thing I've read today

>>157077215
If there was no movies people wouldn't give a shit.

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>>157077279
wew what a lame bait

>>157077394
It's true. Stop getting butthurt.

>>157077279
I watched Eva only a few years ago not because of the movies, and I don't even like the movies. I only watched 1.0

>>157062870
>no reason to act happy
He gets a fucking mech.

>>157074179
>People should be able to critically analyze the show
where the FUCK

do you think you are

>>157052076
I just finished a rewatch the other day, and absolutely.

It's a masterpiece and if nothing else you should watch it just so you'll get why there are threads about it on /a/ every day

>>157077859
Plot twist: it's his mom.

>>157077859
He gets a giant monster posessed by his dead mother that gives him experiences like being stabbed in the eye, boiled alive, eaten whole, witnessing his friend get maimed, etc


just go to bed Kensuke

>>157076876
remembered
it's mario 64 ending theme
https://youtu.be/eVKj3u8JUm0

>>157070853
Well it's whole thing is about growing up.
So trying to act cooler than you are is one of those things, which Naota does often and fails.
Also FLCL likes to be a bit less direct than EVA about sex since they're kids. Haruko doesn't do much to tease him other than sitting overhim on a towel once or twice. The lewd things are Mamimi's job.

>>157065275
Looks exactly like Rei.

>>157078228
>Also FLCL likes to be a bit less direct than EVA about sex
Huh? Sexual scenes in 6 FLCL episodes is like 20 times EVA's sexual metaphors in 26 ep + EoE.

>>157038521
>omg it's like old eva!! wacky music!!
Wacky? I'd say the tone of the music fit the mood pretty well.

>>157046963
omg youre so smart/cool anon :o

>>157076553
Isn't it the exact opposite?

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>>157081446
This is Shinji phallically inserted into his giant robot mother's back with a helical plug stuck into her front transformed into a kilometer length tree with a rabbit extension sinking toward a pussy into Rei's brain while she absorbs all life on Earth through vulvae in her hands.

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>>157085123
This is Haruko sharing a meal with Naota's dad in front of Naota after his dad scratched her crotch with his face. Your point?

>>157050918
This is why the manga is objectively the best version to experience.

>>157086399
Anno didn't even make the manga, shill.

>>157086399
>no iconic music
>no iconic voices
>no iconic scenes in motion
>a whole bunch of the story was changed

'no'

>>157086699
>A whole bunch of the story was changed

Why is this a bad thing? Its supposed to be able to stand on its own as both a manga and an Eva story. It shouldn't need to rely on copying the anime shot for shot

>>157086399
It is the most coherent iteration of the plot since Sadamoto didn't get 3/4ths of it out until after End, giving him opportunity to reconcile a lot of the details that were added as the show went and then after it ended. Just not as good. Even sort of cramped.

bump, OP is a huge faggot

>>157092185
Why do you bump dead shit?

>>157036774
>>Anno liked Asuka so much he copied from his favorite doujins, yet managed to create an original and interesting character
>>Results in one of the most realistic portrayals of fragile teenagers
lmao no he did not what world are you living in that teenagers act like melodramatic and bipolar on a regular basis.
>>Simple, yet amazing and easily recognizable character design
amazing no, simple and easily recognizable ill give you
>>She withstands the hardships of loneliness and bravely comes back to face the reality
so did naruto this cliche is overdone in anime so fucking much
>>The author openly says she's the best girl
>Based
she's mentally unstable and has suffered traumatic events and definitely has PTSD from her mother killing herself, while also compensating for not being able to save her mother by succeeding in everything she does to mask that fact. Shes garbage and if she really existed she would never be able to maintain a relationship due to her overly emotional ways

did that guy with the podunk laptop that started marathoning eva like yesterday or two days ago finish EoE yet

where's his requisite "what the fuck did i just watch" thread

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>>157044326
just read the fucking wiki its not that hard, also disregard the last two episodes of Eva as the movie completely resolves all the details from 24 onwards

>>157056017
the show is 6/10 the movie is 7/10. there are better animes out there

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>>157093545
9/10 and 9/10

>>157052076
>does this show even hold up?
first 12 episodes are generic monster mecha fighting bs then it starts getting interesting when it starts expanding on the actual storyline and develops the characters

>>157069196

>Asuka a fetish puppet for Anno

Ironically, Anno made Rei the stereotypical otaku fetish puppet, though even he couldn't even resist creating one for himself

Rei's doll-like personality is one of the main reasons Asuka hates her. Asuka wants to be the exact opposite of a puppet with her constant independence and rejection of needing anyone besides herself.

started this a few days ago and just finished the last episode.
It was nice and heart warming,
though an odd fucking way to end a series for fucking sure.
EoE begins tomorrow and then after I'll try not to neck myself.
And if that passes I don't know if I'll want to watch the rebuild movies just to understand why they aren't liked.

Should I watch them?

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>>157094187
Rebuild is Evangelion for burgers, its very very hollywood but 2d so I can love my waifus in better quality.

>>157086399

Manga (and book versions of any film in general) involve much less stimulation and are thus more heavily filtered through the reader's imagination to fill in the realization of the action, as well as being independent from acting, cinematographic, or directing flaws. It's also a hell of a lot easier to make a comic than a film as there are far fewer people involved and the vision can be more cohesive.

>>157056017
Correct

>>157063675
The dub really sold this scene.

>>157094187
Watch the rebuilds in a year or so. Don't taint your Eva experience

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>>157050796

EoE is better than the TV end only because it's among the best animated movies ever produced, but ep25+26 are fucking great even by themselves despite by the product of a total studio clusterfuck. The purest expressions of humanity could only be tapped from such situations as Gainax found themselves in while trying to conclude Eva. Without these real-life circumstances I doubt something so masterful would have been created.

All this text walls and actually no pastas, I think Ill finally watch EVA

>>157094187
Dont watch the rebuilds yet. They arent particularly bad, but eva takes a while to "sink in", and the rebuild movies are conflicting, so it will mess up your interpretation of the characters. Read a lot, think a lot, form your own theories and interpretation of the series as a whole.

Pretty much everyone here discuss the original run characters and the rebuild characters as completely different (because in many ways, they are really completely different).

When you feel like it and your opnion on original eva is solid, go for the rebuilds.

Just to ask, are you the 8gb guy?

>>157097523
But anon Rebuild is a sequel

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>>157097336
>i love the TV ending.
>im one of the few that strongly believe TV was indeed a different ending altogether, not "just what happened in shinjis mind"
>i even have solid arguments but 20 years of the same stuff being parroted, no one even acknowledges it.

>>157097565
I know.
Let the new guy enjoy the good parts of eva for now. He can worry about THAT later.

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>>157052076

I first watched Eva nearly 10 years ago. Every couple years since, I've rewatched it to see if my tastes or my life have grown past enjoying it, or if I think any less of it now that I'm older. But every time, it's even better than I remember. I notice something new with each time that just puts my arms behind my head and a big stupid grin on my face as if to say "Anno you magnificent fucking bastard."

>>157097609
TV ending is valid to read as an entirely different ending, because the chain of events regarding Instrumentality is different.

>>157097947
Well, not everyone is as nice as you.

>>157097609
I think it's was supposed to be like EoE but EoE was probably redone a fuckton and that's why Death and Rebirth came out, but Rei does seem Omni-potent in the TV end too
Hard to say which one I like more tbqh

>>157097814
It was my first anime I ever watched and I marathonned it 2 weeks ago. I'm still thinking about it.

What other recommendations do you have given that I don't really watch anime but loved this? I tried watching Kill la Kill because I heard it was good and I'm only a few episodes in. It's alright I guess but Evangelion just seems to stand out way more. It stands out even among normal films/television series'.

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Anno is a fucking hack

>>157098149
Aku no Hana is legitimately amazing
Just ignore /a/, because they love to shit on it for having a rotoscoped artstyle

>>157098149
I'm not sure how you made the connection to go from Evangelion to Kill la Kill.

I just finished marathoning this series. I haven't watched EoE yet.

I'm not sure if I liked it. I mean, I'm pretty sure it was interesting but the last two episodes left a very weird taste in my mouth. I just don't know man, I'm not sure what really happened and I'm not sure if I liked it.

>>157098237
I never watched anime until like I said 2 weeks ago with Neon Genesis Evangelion, but given I spend all my time on the internet and 4chan, it's hard not to know about the popular anime series and anime culture. It was between Kill La Kill, Attack on Titan, or Cowboy Bebop. And I just decided to go with KLK. Like I said, it's just alright but even the first few episodes of EVA had me hooked like I haven't been for any TV show in a long time.

>>157098172
like you read the comics.

>>157098357
Go with Cowboy Bebop next if it's between those. Kill la Kill is fun but it's not really a classic and Attack on Titan is overrated as all hell.

>>157098437
>Kill la Kill is fun but it's not really a classic
KLK is a masterpiece in every sense of the word. How people dislike it is beyond me, but I suppose we all have different tastes.

>>157098357
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. Watch that next and avoid all spoilers.

>>157098252
Just watch End of Evangelion. Trust me.

>>157035453
I don't think you know much about music there op, or even the fact they don't sound the same at all.

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>>157097609
A major element of TV Instrumentality that isn't really represented in EoE is that characters and the image of them held by other characters had become the same entity. The shit is so weird and soft that TV is just as plausibly the hive imagining how Shinji would react while he's already on the beach.

>>157098252
The movie clear some things up, but my understanding of the TV ending goes along those lines:
>Instrumentality happens for reasons explained in EoE
>It is supposed to merge everyone into one consciousness.
>(Here is where i think the TV ending and EoE ending diverge)
>Some people will argue against it, but at least in the TV ending, i think instrumentality is painted as a good thing.
>Everyone is still themselves, but they are mentally stuck together and can see each others problems, so the only thing they can do is talk, heal each other, and "imagine" stuff like the Alternate universe we see in episode 26.
>Shinji still refuses people in his life as hard as he can.
>The voices of his friends slowly convince him to accept it.
>He does, and his friends congratulate him that.
>Its over. It isnt the ending Anno originally created, but it was what he could do without money and time. The mental improvement and overcoming depression / self hate themes are the entire point of the series. Even if the delivery wasnt what he wanted, the message is the same.

Then he got a lot of money and appraise and got the chance to do the original ending, EoE.

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>>157098149

I like to think of Eva as 2001: Space Odyssey, Pink Floyd's The Wall and Mulholland Drive combined into a 90s mecha anime, so check those movies out if you haven't

Anime-wise though I like Planetes, Tatami Galaxy, Gurren Lagann, Welcome to the NHK, Lain, and Steins;Gate, but they aren't all explicitly similar to Eva

>>157098617
>that characters and the image of them held by other characters had become the same entity.
Holy shit, i always thought that, and you are the only person to ever talk about it in years. Its one of my favorite parts of that ending.
The idea of a "misato that exists within shinji", i.e, "how shinji perceives misato" was introduced rather earlier in the series, and only picked up on the TV ending. My understanding on that is that the "real misato", the "misato as seen by shinji", the "misato as seen by ritsuko"... all got merged into one "TRUE misato". The same for all other characters.

Im not even exactly sure what implications it has, its pretty fucking surreal. I love it.

>>157084824
No.

If you posted in this thread w/o saging you're a newfag.

>>157098617
>>157098793
They're all joined together in one big collective consciousness. That's how Asuka knows he beat off.

The Congratulations scene was probably just his ego manifested as familiar faces since his dad was half eaten.

>>157097487

Say goodbye to your current self. You won't be the same on the other side but we of the Eva threads will be here to welcome you once you make it across

>>157098589
>Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. Watch that next and avoid all spoilers.

I think at one point a year or two ago i was somewhat curious and saw on youtube what I presume was the 'final battle' of the anime. im not sure if that counts as a spoiler and im not sure about the 'motive' of the bad guy but i'll check it out.

>>157097487
It's a meme. A very old meme with many, many autistic victims but, still a meme.

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Can the Rebuilds be redeemed after the debacle that was 3.0?

2.0 got a bit too into the GAR zeitgeist of 2009, but it was still enjoyable and showed promise for the next episode.

But I don't know how 4.0 can be salvaged after what 3.0 did to pretty much every aspect of the series. Unless they make the movie 6 hours long.

>>157098998
I believe the endings are different for entire Meta reasons.
Anno believed the TV ending was going to be the end. He had no money, he certainly wasn't sure if the sales would pay off. He had to scrap a lot of his ideas (which later became EoE) and write a new ending.

Sure, some things converge with EoE, but others dont. Going by idea of the smaller the logical steps, the more probable, it is easier to assume that we see Gendo and Yui in the TV ending because its a different ending where he and unit 01 did got instrumentalized, than assuming that everything in EoE happened, gendo is eaten and yui is gone, and its all in shinjis mind.

Plus episode 25 focus on parts of misato and asuka mind that wouldnt be present in shinjis "ego manifestation" of them. Hell, why would he dream about they overcoming their metal problems in the first place if its all on his mind, and not skip to episode 26?

>>157035453
Youre actually fucking retarded

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>>157098172
He never hid the fact that Eva was an amalgam of various other works and influences. There's a lot you can say about him to detract from Evangelion, but originality isn't one of them.

>>157099282
It can only be salvaged by destroying 3.33.

>>157099413
>anno admits he's unoriginal but you can't say he's unoriginal
c'mon anon

>>157098793
A key part of Existentialism is the concept of The Other. Jean Paul Sartre talked about how hell is Other People, where there is a gap between your concept of self and how other people conceive you and the ambiguity that happens when you're not sure if you're on the same page as them and vice versa

instrumentality erases all that and you can understand each other with no misconception -- i guess like that whole Newtype deal in Gundam

>>157098998
>That's how Asuka knows he beat off.

It's been a while, what does Asuka say in the original episodes 25/26 that show this?

I only know that Asuka in the movie knows that Shinji beat off to her and that's the reason for her final line.

>>157099282
>>157099282
My expectations
>Shinji and kaworu just completed the last steps for seeles plan.
>Seele will act, probably will mirror EoE and send the EVA series.
>Massive shit happens, shinji start the 5th (or actually, the 6th) impact. This time it goes through and cleans up the very few humans left.
>There is a lot of epiphanies.
>He remembers about the original run and EoE
>He realizes its all a "forced world" created by his own desires in EoE (he does say, in 2 different moments, he wish he could live it all again in EoE).
>Decide enough is enough, and get this short lived loop to end.
>We get something similar to EoE ending, but this time assured the world will go foward.

>>157099413
>There's a lot you can say about him to detract from Evangelion

like what?

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>>157098617
>>157098793
>>157098998
daily reminder the TV series ending is an alternate ending NOT lining up with EoE

>>157099566
thats actually a nice explanation of the idea i had trying to form inside my mind.
My point still stands. I believe TV instrumentality and EoE instrumentality are totally different, one is actually good, other isnt.

>>157094072
All of that is just Asukafag propaganda though. Noe of that actually happened, Asuka hates dolls because she is one herself, as revealed in her flashback. She then projects her flaws Rei who does not recognize herself in what Asuka is saying. EoE goes on to further cement this by showing that Asuka is just spank material, while the characters with actual agency act around her.

Rei was more popular yes, but there was always more porn of Asuka anyway.

>>157099569
>Asuka say in the original episodes 25/26 that show this
No, because it didnt happen as far as the episodes 25/26 are aware.

>>157099566
>namedropping Sartre for no reason at all
you're just as bad as Anno for all his random Christ imagery anon

the idea of people being unable to understand one another isn't new or exclusive to Sartre, it's been the subject of countless philosophers from Wittgenstein to Aristotle.

>>157099690
So what was Asuka's main segment about in those episodes? That her own hedgehog dilemma is that she was forced to be independent as a child and now it prevents her from depending on others as a teen?

>>157084824
Not at all. Rei best represents positive development traits because she has them, in the same way Asuka doesent. This is why Rei confronts her problems directly with the climax being her confronting and defeating Gendo, while Asuka reverts to a puppet like state because she is unable to deal with reality. Rei is often shown to tell people the truth about themselves or the world, and in instrumentality Rei guides people out from it, while Asuka needs to be guided out from it.

>>157099754
Asuka's main segment is about forcing her to let go of her fake persona she created in order to escape from reality. This happens because the instrumentality project forces people to look inside themselves and others, much like the Angels Arael and Armisael did.

>>157099754
Kinda. Asuka longs for approval as a person, thing she never had as a kid. Her mother would rather love a doll than her.
She believes acting as an adult is the best way to do so.
Her instrumentality case is all about she dropping the pretends, and being herself, the 14 year old kid.
To love herself and others, and to be loved.

She is quite similar to shinji on tbat regard. They both have the same problem, but react differently to it.

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>>157035453
I thought it was Canon in D.

>>157035453
They barely sound alike.

>>157100177
Too symbolistic even for me, and im a sucker for those things.

>>157100351
I think the problem with the symbolism in Evangelion is it's only meaningful when Anno decides he wants it to be

Christian imagery and Hebrew names for things are pointless and only in because it sounds cool to japanese people, but Misato's yellow shirt specifically representing maternal instincts when it appears of the person who wears it (Asuka and Misato) seems pretty obscure when the scenes involving them appear episodes apart.

>>157099282
3.0 was fine, I don't know why you autists hate it so much. God forbid things go to shit in an NGE movie.

>>157099356
It's not all in HIS mind, it's all in THEIR mind. It's a collective consciousness and they're all going through the same thing at once. Those questions lineup with Yui talking to Shinji, but presumably they all heard them regardless.

The only weird thing was Rei; the three of them were together and yet apart somehow. It's like the holy trinity, which actually fits the theme of the show.

>>157100526
Some people believe the tv ending happens in shinjis mind (his, and his mind only) during the ending of EoE. I strongly disagree with that.

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>>157100351
OPEN THIS LONELY HEART TO ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS

When will I ever find a way to speak my heart

When will I ever find a place to call my home

>>157100351
It's "symbolic" you illiterate faggot. Furthermore there are some inconsistencies that don't add up.

>>157100953
Symbolistic is also a word.

>>157100431
This anon gets it. Fucking fans want nothing more than to be spoon fed the same characters and story they got in NGE.

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>>157100431
because they are incapable of learning.

we've done this before

but they can't see

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>>157101166
you're putting ideas in Anno's mind.

It's the 'every protagonist for a piece of literature is an allegory for jesus christ' fallacy

>>157084824
Yeah. It's opposite, but reifags think otherwise.

eva is pretentious garbage

>>157102456
>he didn't understand EVA

>>157099282
>2.0 got too GAR

Fuck you. I would have rather seen them stay the course they set in 2.0 of "fuck you I'm dragging this boat to a happy ending, come hell or high water" than 3.0's complete relapse into
Shinji pussyfaggotry and obtuse retardation from everyone else.

>>157100431
The problem with 3.0 is that it takes place after everything we wanted to see following 2.0, with Kaworu and presumably Seele forces locking down NERV and Unit 01. There could have been suspense, there could have been fucking intrigue. It was the logical continuation of the branch out 2.0 had taken with events.

But no, we need a fucking timeskip. A timeskip that means literally nothing because all the most important characters didn't age. Also everyone died because reasons, but we're not going to explain that any further before dumping even more plot bullshit in your lap so have fun having no emotional attachment to that revelation.

And in the end it's really just a rehash of NGE with all the emotional meaning drained out. Kaworu's willing sacrifice or Shinji's hesitation, while often made fun of for taking forever, was a pretty major element of what made the show great. But nah, in 3.0 it was just tricks and then Kaworu's head blows up like a watermelon while Shinji blubbers uselessly.

And why were they down there again? What was even the point? At this point, I've forgotten, and don't care to remember. It was all so shallow and pointless, all spectacle without any actual value.

>>157102872
>The problem with 3.0 is that it takes place after everything we wanted to see following 2.0
Yeah, I'm pretty sure most of the butthurt is because they got fooled by the previews yet again.

>A timeskip that means literally nothing because all the most important characters didn't age.
This is actually important. It means Mari very well could be a contemporary of Yui. There's also my personal theory that they're partially becoming LCL and they never age because they always see themselves as the same age - they're rematerializing as they see themselves when they went in.

>And why were they down there again?
To kick off Instrumentality.

>It was all so shallow and pointless
I don't see how you can make that claim without knowing the ending: the entire work has to be judged as a whole, especially for something as convoluted as NGE.

>>157103133
>they haven't aged because blah blah blah
Or it could mean that they wanted to timeskip because the plot they wrote demanded time pass, but deathly afraid of making the slightest alteration to their three golden calves.

>You're not allowed to judge it until the next movie comes out!

Well I guess we know why it's taken so fucking long then. That's a bullshit metric and you know it. The film itself can be judged as a piece of media as long as we have the context of how we got there. If the next installment in the franchise redeems 3.0, aside from being a fucking miracle, it won't magically make all the retarded decisions and hack writing in 3.0 magically go away. It will still be the film that ground the entire franchise to a halt for...jesus, has it only been 3 years? It feels like 8.

>>157102872
>Kaworu's willing sacrifice
He got exactly what he wanted in the first place without losing anything of value to him and 3rd Impact still happened. It was even still ahead of schedule, Seele didn't have all the evas they wanted for it.

>>157103317
>That's a bullshit metric and you know it.
No it's not. People who individually critique episodes are pretentious assholes and you know it. These movies are essentially long episodes.

>>157043492
>tumblr
I don't even

>>157035453
Hey Jude was probably just inspiration. The fact that Hey Jude is actually about a son with father issues seems to confirm this.
It's defnitely not a ripoff though, and I view Komm Susser Tod as a superior song even as a Beetles fan.

>>157103658
>I view Komm Susser Tod as a superior song even as a Beetles fan.

Don't ever go to /mu/, pleb. It's a great song but better than the best song the Beatles have ever made?

And it is BEATLES. not beetles. fake fan.

>>157103901
t. Dan Ozzi

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>>157102670
You're pure, unadulterated cancer. Also, >>>/m/

>>157043492
Please dont do this. Rahxephon was a good show that rabid Eva fans can't understand. They act as if Eva came into existence without any sources of inspiration from its creator(s).

>>157105080
Says the anon with no taste.

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I will throw a topic for discussion that still puzzles me today.
What exactly happened to gendo? He is the only one with a visibly different fate during intrumentality. He dont seem to be tanged. After searching and thinking, i found a few theories:

>He partake in instrumentality like everyone else, but because his actions towards shinji, rei and yui, it happened in a different way.
>Yui choose to kill him because of his actions. Hes gone for good and didnt partake in the instrumentality at all.
>Yui absorbed him by eating him, just like she absorbed the s2 engine by eating it. She wont be alone forever in space now and he kind of achieved his dream of getting together back with yui.

So, whats your opinion on that scene?

isnt it based on the bach song from the 18ths?

>>157108612
I always thought he made it to instromentality somehow because he's in shinjis Congratulations scene, but then again so is Yui. She also directly speaks with Shinji during EoE in instromentality so who knows how she got there.

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What I loved best about it is how everything got turned on its head in EoE.

Throughout the entire show we saw the good guy team overcome immeasurable odds to defeat monstrosities beyond human imagination. But in the final act, their base and team, everything they worked so hard to protect, gets crushed (with ease) by a bunch of regular old human soldiers. It's completely disheartening and hit me harder than anything else I've seen in anime. Makes me wish more fiction used this kind of device.

>>157109213
Dont the vice commander say during it that "its not the angels, but humans themselves the greatest enemy of humans."? Or something like that?

>>157097487
Get the platinum edition. Dont watch the dub.