>"FlipFlappers sold bad so it's a bad anime hahaha"

>flipflappers is a fun anime so its a good anime in my book

>love live lacks substance so i dont particularly like it

why do you care about sales

Who are you quoting? Why are you quoting twice?

>>156868998
>>156833694
Why did you repost this?

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Remove the /u/ school episode (that stuff doesn't sell, too lewd)
Add an idol episode instead.
Bang. Now FliFla has sold 5K+ BDs.

I'd probably watch Flip Flappers if people didn't only talk about the yuribait and how pretty it is. If that's all anyone can talk about then I figure it isn't anything interesting.

The back half of Flip Flappers is what makes it a bad anime. The opening episodic episodes are great, but once the plot takes center stage it nose dives. They didn't have a clue what they were doing.

>>156868998
Your shitty thread died after like 60 posts, why would you remake it?

>>156869147
You clearly didn't browse the threads when it was airing. The threads tend to be filled with a bunch of speculations, way more than about how pretty the art is. And the yuribait bitching is mainly because of that one faggot. And it's usually the much later threads.

>>156868998
Flipflappers more like Flipfloppers!

>>156869126
FF sold shit because of shit writing not genre, dumb tripfag.

>>156869258
>Preorders at rock-bottom during the lol so random episodes
>Spike up when the plot finally starts

Really makes you think. Too bad by that point everyone except 883 dropped the show already.

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Flip Flappers sold bad but was also a bad show.

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>>156868998
Meanwhile: KF has sold so good that /a/ stopped making stalker threads altogether because it just gets derailed every. single. time

>>156869352
All anime has shit writing.

>>156868998
Put your trip back on, you filthy pinoy.

>>156869357
Why do the Japs have the worst taste? Anime is wasted on them.

flip flappers was amazing, what are you on about

>>156869417
What are KF's numbers right now? I haven't been keeping track.

>>156869406
I'm sick of your shit, Guu.

>>156869417
Really? Is that why they hasn't showed up lately?

>>156868998
FlipFlappers was not that great. Bad, no; it was pretty mediocre though.

>>156869352
studio dumb newfuck

>>156870941
Most likely, those threads got hijacked by /v/ years ago.

>>156868998
To be completely fair and objective, they are both shit.

>>156869118
>not knowing Flip faggots are attention seeking retards

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>>156869636
Oh yeah? Well, what are you going to do about it?

only bad threads with clickbaity premises get replies with hahahah

Is there a worse fanbase than Flip Flappers?

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lesbians are destined to fail

>>156868998
All anime is shit, duh.

>>156869417
Good, stalker threads have always been cancer anyway.

>>156874045
Either a show is good enough to watch trough or its not. Either people buy the bds or they dont.
It is black and white.

>>156868998
Love Live is more fun

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>>156875489
This

>>156868998
BDrips never

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>>156875489
>he watches anime for fun and not to appreciate the art and culture

>>156876575
>implying appreciating art and culture is not fun

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>>156872194
To be completely shit and fair, they are both objective.

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>Cockona

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>>156876881
Be objective are fair, both to shit and completely they.

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>>156868998
>people don't like flifla because of it's sales rankings
lmao

>>156869417
good riddance i say

>>156868998
>the only anime ever existed are the ones with an all girls cast

>>156868998
They're both bad regardless of their sales. Happy?

>>156868998
Did the one guy who released the BDMV vol 1-3 ever release volume 4?

>>156868998
https://www.tokyotosho.info/details.php?id=1093332

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Did you all expect Salt to be the good guy?

So how did vol. 1 sell only 883 copies again? I know it wasn't that popular in Japan and barely got advertised at all, but something must have gone very wrong if you can't even sell 1000 copies.

>>156879633
Google [ReinForce] Flip Flappers – 07 (BDRip 1920×1080 x264 FLAC).mkv

>>156881114
The first few episodes were all over the place. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of nips lost interest.

Is there any link to the Flip Flappers ost anywhere?

>>156881348
Then why did so many westerners, at least on /a/, like it then? I kind of liked the show (at least initally) but its fanbase ended up loving the show as if it was the second coming of Christ or something. Almost cult-like in its devotion to the anime.

>>156881573
Did you see the threads?

IT became a circle jerk of people seeing this as a super deep show, with meanings to be found it the smallest of things.

I watched it, didn't mind it, but it wasn't that great, had some cool moments but was a mess in the end.

>>156881652
To this day I still understand why it got so little promotion in Japan in the first place. Given that it was an original, the more promotions it should have got. Even YoI had somewhat more hype before it aired.

>Did you see the threads?
Yeah, and the small-but-vocal fanbase loved the show to the point of creepiness. They looked much like Kyousougigafags, only more numerous and more vocal.

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Flipflappers just wasn't written well. Why do you write a useless character like the loli into a one cour series? The writing did nothing with her. What was the point of her? Time that went into the loli could've gone into anything else more usefully.

Love Live is shit because it's a shitty idolm@ster clone with worse writing and more objectionably no BEST IDORRUS. These days more of the idolshit they pump out is failing than printing sales, so maybe they'll stop thinking just shoving some jpop idols into something will make it sell after blunders like Idol Jihen (Prime Minister did nothing wrong. except the corrupt coordination of a city-wide traffic jam, I'll give you that one)

>>156881853
>Time that went into the loli
What time? she had three lines and roughly a minute of screen time throughout the whole show, people just assumed she'd be important due to her blink-and-you-miss-it appearance in the OP.

>>156869406
THIS
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>>156881573
Different writing conventions.
In the west, there's a holy goddamn rule of fiction writing (especially in scifi and fantasy) that you directly explain as little as possible, and that any explanation of the setting is deferred at least until act 2. If you get an act-1 infodump, your author doesn't know what they're doing. Western anime fans complain about this in anime all the goddamn time, but the nips do not.

"Show, don't tell" isn't something that's prioritized nearly as much in Japan, and they are far more accepting of infodumps in general and that sort of upfront "explain everything right away" sort of storytelling. They are averse to being kept in the dark about essential setting elements, like Flip Flappers did.

Japan disliked Flip Flapper's approach to storytelling because it deferred explanation too long. The west loved Flip Flapper's approach to storytelling because it didn't try to explain. But then the actual money-making arms of the franchise weren't marketed to the west, their primary vendor doesn't ship internationally, and most of their promotion of both the series and its merchandise was Japan-only, so the fact that the west liked it is obviously unplanned and unwelcome.

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>>156880903
No, I loved what they did with him in the later episodes.

>>156882212
>Western anime fans complain about this in anime all the goddamn time, but the nips do not.
So is that why hipsters tend to love "deep shows"?

Also, when I said "lacked promotion", I was referring to Japan, not the West. Apparently, the show wasn't promoted well in Japan. Is ther eany reason for that?

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>>156882212
/thread

>>156882212
You learn in a low level English uni class that you can't expect the reader to figure things out themselves. Good writers (off the top of my head, Tennessee Williams) balance reading at a surface level and subtleness that makes both reading and digging enjoyable.

So no, it isn't because of different writing conventions, but that the writer or director didn't make Flip Flappers didn't balance obscurity and "low brow" enjoyment, so it flopped hard, yet had a decent small cult following.

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>>156882320
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>>156882395
Is this better then?

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>>156882347
>freshman referencing his 1st year undergrad lectures
Okay bud, I'm sure you've got it all figured out.

the show sucked

>>156882505
That's not a nice thing to say about Love Live!

>>156882463
I'm just saying it's basic level knowledge. It's true anime tends to explain things way too much and too simply, but going completely "show, don't tell" is wrong too.

>>156882446
No, why does this exist?

>>156869258
this. was pretty intrigued by the first few episodes but then it got more and more meh

I really wanted to like Flip Flappers but it just got worse and worse each episode

>>156882710
Ask the director, he was the one that drew them

>>156882710
The original scenario for episode 8 early in the show's planning was a sci-fi zombie apocalypse on a train, but was scrapped and replaced with mecha instead.

>>156882858
>on a train
Now I understand why they scrapped it.

>>156869126
>5k+
Kek. The sales are so bad the dream number is one that barely pays the bills.

>>156882320
I want to fuck this.

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>>156869417
>KF not only saves Japanese zoos and promotes better awareness for endangered animals, but is also saving /a/ from shitposting and bad threads
Sasuga Tatsuki.

>>156882212
In Western writing you have to give enough information where the audience isn't lost in the first episode. Flip Flappers couldn't even do that.

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>>156883643
DELET

>>156882212
>They are averse to being kept in the dark about essential setting elements, like Flip
That isn't to say it can't work in Japan. Kemono Friends shows that Japan can be accepting of being kept in the dark in regard to the setting so long as they still have an incentive to care about it which may be due to the characters currently living in it. I think the key to having this method work however, is to have the cast be generally equally unaware of the setting of the show and to provide a bit of a disconnect between what the viewer is seeing and how the characters interact with their surroundings. If the viewer can infer about what has happened to lead up to the events of the show, they will be more interested in seeing if they were right or not. Speculation can go a long way in garnering interest in a series, and if there's plenty of room to speculate, there's definitely going to be a spread through word of mouth about the show to others.

>>156883872
>Kemono Friends
KF spent most of its first episode with Serval explaining the setting to Kaban. It was a direct exposition dump that went over all of the important facets of what Friends are, how they come to be, what Sandstar is, what the layout of the Park is, what Ceruleans are, how Ceruleans are fought, and so on.

Most of this was covered in a straight monologue that spanned almost 10 minutes.