Why does Kyouko recieve grief for letting familiars eats humans?

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You fail at logic forever.

Holy shit, you're right. I'll write a letter to congress immediately. We need to give every single person arrested for homicide a second trial taking into account the possibility that their victim might not have been one of the bad guys.

>>156793524
Why is Madoka so sexual? Other megukas don't even compare.

>>156793571
Timeline 1 shows that she's naturally a flirtatious alpha. Before Homura neutered her personality, Madoka had a lot of moxie and an effortlessly seductive nature.

>>156792887

Because if Kyouko doesn't do the proper thing then Sayaka won't have sweaty lesbian sex with her afterwards.

>>156793642
Must be her mom's genes.

>>156793546
Kyouko didn't murder the people. The familiars did. Those put in jail have evidence against them for the murder. stopbeing a baka.

>>156792887
This is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read.

>>156793885
By OP's logic if the victims were bad people their deaths weren't really a bad thing so the murderers should still be released. Hell, we should actually give the murderers a medal for helping make the world a better place.

>>156793997
How many victims are bad people when a killer is running rampant?

I don't think what you posted sounded the same as it did in you head.

>>156794218
You are right. Why can't we delete our own threads?

>>156794133
You'd have to check one by one. If they're all bad people the killer is a fucking hero.

>>156792887
Are you serious? This is the worst attempt at protecting Kyouko I've ever seen. I've been on the internet for a while so it shocks me to see someone genuinely employing the reasoning that you are here. Actually, I don't even think a normalfag would ever try to make the argument you just did. I don't even think a child would do it. I can only assume you're trying to make Kyoukofags look bad.

Just to give you a chance to justify your argument, is there anything in the show that suggests that bad people are more prone to being attacked by familiars?

>>156794519
Don't witches feed on bad feelings and shit?

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>>156793524
do not lewd Madoka

>>156792887
Kyoko a CUTE

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>>156793646
this

>>156794679
No, they don't. Witches are created by despair and they wreak destruction. They don't feed off of anything. I admit that I'm not certain of the process through which familiars become witches however I can safely say that I think familiars feeding off of bad people would be something that would've been mentioned if true since Mami so ardently fought for justice.

>>156794968
Oh, alright. I could've sworn there was something about them being drawn to the darkness in people's hearts, but I guess I'm just projecting other mahou shoujos over Madoka.

Kyoko was partially right (more than Sayaka at least) because focusing on witches gave her a longer lifespan than Sayaka which means saving more people.

The most correct answer would be a middle-ground between familiars and witches.

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>>156792887
>bad apple


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JA3_jHwGnNQ

>>156795403
What's with all this Touhou popularity? Isn't it Japanese only?

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>>156795462
Nothing is safe anymore anon. This is the age of the internet.

>>156795462
It's translated since eons.

>>156795561
But I can't seem to find a way to buy this except for importing and then patching. But since these games are so popular here I don't think everybody does that.

How do they get the translated games then?

>>156795632
people just pirate anon-kun

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>>156795661
You know you can go to jail for ten years for that now so be safe.

>>156795293
The whole idea behind Madoka is that everything in the Universe is balanced. Equal amounts of positive create equal amounts of negative. If the Madoka universe were to remain true to its core then neither Kyoko nor Sayaka were more or less right than the other.

It's true that Kyoko lives longer and can thus fight more witches however she also allows the familiars become witches by allowing them to eat a few people. Remember: familiars are part of the product of a witch's creation and all witches were once magical girls. If the Madoka universe is what it's stated to be then the people being killed by familiars will contribute to creating an equality with the number of people the magical girl saved. Damage done by familiar + damage done by witch = help done by magical girl [in magnitude]

Sayaka saves as many as she can but without the grief seeds from witches, she inevitably becomes a witch (even before becoming a witch, she killed those two guys on the train).

To conclude, I believe the most correct answer is neither.

>>156795733
7 proxies

>>156795780
I don't know if this holds up, since Kyoko would be able to kill more witches than Sayaka's total killcount on the long run, for a lesser witch/familiars population

>>156795934
Why would there be a lesser familiar population if familiars don't get killed?

>>156796009
If Kyoko can kill, say, 50 witches in a year and then die, it'd probably be better than Sayaka killing 5 familiars and 5 witches before dying early

>>156795780
Basically there's a food chain.

>>156792887
>being this insane for kyouko

This is similar to how terrorists are born by the way.

>>156796052
Why would she have to die? As long as they keep killing for energy and don't fall into despair they're okay. Why do you assume they're going to die so soon?

>>156796137
That's Sayaka's method.
What I'm saying is the middle ground between self-preservation (focusing on witches) and saving people (focusing on familiars) is the optimal scenario case, but 100% self-preservation is still better than 100% saving people on the long run, for everyone involved.

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>>156796071

>>156796052
I believe it'd be a matter of Kyoko killing 50 witches in a year however you have to remember that 30 of those 50 witches were actually familiars that Kyoko deliberately did not kill. Those 30 familiars collectively killed at least 90 people (each familiar needs about 4-5 people) in order to become witches. So she kills 50 witches but at the same time, she allowed at least 150 people (at most, 250) to die? Whereas Sayaka clearly strives to minimise death.

>>156796137
From my understanding, nobody can stay as a magical girl forever. I can't remember where I read it but eventually, even Kyoko would succumb to despair and become a witch.

>>156796218
But witches kill as much as familiars or even more. So killing witches is a more efficient way to prevent deaths, and killing MORE witches than familiars is even better.

>>156794256
There was a time when people would start a thread and delete it to blame it on the mods.

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>>156796203
Yea, that's generally a good thing. Caring about yourself is what makes the world go round. The only reason people do things is because they have ambitions. In a way it's basically nature that everything would balance out because eventually everything does. These girls need to suffer for the world to go round.

>>156796290
It's true that witches kill indefinitely where familiars only kill to grow however how are you saving people by killing more witches if the only reason those witches exist is because you allowed the familiar to kill 4-5 people instead of killing the familiar?
How can it be better to kill more witches than familiars if you're basically, by deliberately not killing familiars, creating those witches?

>>156796071
I don't quite understand what you mean by this.

>>156797009
Say there are 10 witches and 10 familiars. Witches kill 10 people a month, familiars kill 5 people and then become witches.
You can kill only 10 guys in a month.

Killing 10 witches = 50 deaths after the month and 10 new witches, 0 familiars.

Killing 10 familiars = 100 deaths after the month, still 10 witches, 0 familiars.

Killing 5 witches and 5 familiars = 75 deaths after the month, still 10 witches and 0 familiars.

So, if witches kill more, the only way to improve your efficiency is taking out the witches then the familiars as much as you can, and take measured risks to go after witches or familiars right before they kill (which I didn't take into account here because complicated).

Could also be different if taking out a familiar is less magically expensive than a witch.

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>>156797166
I think the risk of dying plays a huge part in it as well. For instance if I was a magical I would almost never go after actual witches if I could make my deadline on familiars unless I was extremely strong in which case it would be a lot more efficient to go after witches because either way you're a part of the system as a magical anyways so Kyoko is just being rational and making her life easier. Sayaka is the equivalent of a vegan who thinks she's above it all but in all reality is just an idiot.

>>156797166
>You can kill only 10 guys in a month.
There's a limit to how many witches you can kill since witches are typically very strong, yes however familiars are trivially easy to kill from what I saw of Sayaka's attempt to kill one so I'd argue that the number of wit

Why would killing 10 witches result in 50 deaths? 50 deaths for whom? Why would there be no familiars? I don't understand your model here, sorry.

>>156797386
>if I could make my deadline on familiars
There's no "witch/familiar quota" that Kyubey enforces. Magical girls need to hunt witches anyway just for the sake of grief seeds and survival.

>>156797705
I can't think of a more important quota than death.

>>156797642
50 deaths because the 10 remaining familiars kill 10 people. Just take the remaining bad guys to get the total innocent death count.

Yeah, the effort required for familiars is probably lesser which can change the numbers. But in the end, it's the same logic : just by staying alive, you're contributing a lot to witch containment. But just staying alive isn't the best you can do.

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>>156797777
Nice quads

>>156797777
What are you trying to figure out? It's a simple food chain and Kyoko even explains it. What are you trying to pull from any of this.

>>156797744
>I can't think of a more important quota than death.
I don't think we're on the same page so allow me to fully expunge my mental process right now.
When you say "make my deadline on familiars", what I read is "kill the necessary amount of familiars in order to stay alive/keep my job/etc." but why is there a deadline on how many familiars you need to kill? And who or what sets this deadline?

Kyubey doesn't enforce any requirements. The only requirement you have is that you need grief seeds to absorb your despair otherwise you'll become a witch and so, for the sake of grief seeds (and thus, survival), you must hunt witches.

>>156797777
Oh I never finished the line:
There's a limit to how many witches you can kill since witches are typically very strong, yes however familiars are trivially easy to kill from what I saw of Sayaka's attempt to kill one so I'd argue that the number of witches one can kill is limited whereas the number of familiars that can be killed is unlimited. (How many ants can you kill before you have to stop from exhaustion?)

Your argument's sound but it's built on the assumption that killing familiars demands substantial effort whereas in reality, the effort is negligible.

>>156797934
Actually, it's not a simple food chain. This differs from every other case in nature because while magical girls "eat" witches, magical girls can also become witches. This demands a completely new model.

https://wiki.puella-magi.net/Population_dynamics

>>156797934
I think it's also worth stating that when Kyoko says that it's a simple food chain, Kyoko at that time is unaware of the fact that magical girls can become witches. It only resembled a food chain because of her ignorance.

>>156798270
Are you being overly complicated for a reason? You know exactly what I meant when I said deadline anon. I realize Kyubey didn't make any specific requirements but they're literally 404 if they don't do it. Also I realize that it's a little bit more complicated but in the end it's just a food chain. I still don't know what you're actually arguing here? What's the actual point you're trying to make.

>>156798270
The effort certainly isn't negligible either, Sayaka turned into a witch after taking out only familiars for a while.

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>>156798567

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>>156798701
Her death seems so peaceful in a weird way.

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this little camembert here is my raison d'être

>>156799127
Because when she's dead she can't act like the on the rag bitch she normally is.

>>156799129

Camembert fucking stinks, why would you call Mami that?

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>>156799129
I feel sorry for you.

>>156798553
>You know exactly what I meant when I said deadline anon.
No, I actually don't. You're genuinely using words in a way that I'm unfamiliar with.

>Also I realize that it's a little bit more complicated but in the end it's just a food chain.
It's an odd food chain, yes.

>I still don't know what you're actually arguing here? What's the actual point you're trying to make.
Originally, I attempted to argue that Kyoko's method of allowing familiars to become witches in order to defeat those witches for grief seeds was just as good as Sayaka's method of fighting both witches and familiars at any and every opportunity because fate would rearrange the Universe such that the natural balance would be restored however the poster I was arguing with argued that Kyoko's method is better because she saves more people because she's living longer and killing more witches. I wanted to argue against this.

>>156798567
>The effort certainly isn't negligible either, Sayaka turned into a witch after taking out only familiars for a while.
The fact that Sayaka eventually transformed into a witch doesn't discredit my point: that fighting familiars requires negligible effort. What would discredit my point is that Sayaka turned into a witch shortly after hunting only familiars however, while I don't recall there being any real notification of how much time passed between Sayaka and Kyoko's confrontation in the alleyway and Sayaka's transformation, it looks like it might've been a week or so.

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>>156799291
Mami smells like cheese.

>>156800078
Apple-chan if you don't shut the fuck up I will strangle you with kyokos chain spear.

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>>156800131
I gouda make a pun when I can. Stop becoming a muenster.

Sayaka x Homura is my fav OTP

>>156800237
That is it. I will find you and make you choke on cheese.

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>>156800311

>>156792887
>It is wrong yes
You just answered your question by elaborating on it.