Waited a good while so I could rewatch Rezero. This arc is cringy

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>>156663698
>re:zero
>watch
The adaptation was shit, I've watched it about 2-3 times but I can't anymore. The show fails to portray too many small details that make the LN/WN so good.

>>156665582
Just like every written story ever written and rewritten for the screen in the history of ever, ever.

Thanks for telling us something we didnt know.

>>156665582
So is she smelling his actual scent or is it mixed in with the witch's?

People rewatch this garbage?

>>156668559
>J-Just read the source material anon!

>>156668559
I liked it enough to rewatch it

>>156665582
Rem is weird.

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>>156663698
It's the best part, i amost expected the show to get self aware at ths point.
Subaru basically turns into an hooligan here, just starting fights, constantly screaming, starting fights for his baby boy ego and all that during a probably one of the most important political events in this town.
If an actual retard was in a situation like that he still would need to give his all to be this embarrasing. Shitting his pants there would be less embarrasing.

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>>156663698
This wouldn't be so bad if only happened at the very beginning of the show.
The real problem with this scene is how they completely trashed Subaru's character development up to that point.
He was supposed to have matured into a fairly acceptable guy during the previous arc, instead he instantly became even more retarded than he was before.

>>156668509
cum, precum and smegma mixed

>>156672077
Someone who always shamelessly tries to steal a guy away from another girl and even makes him cheat on that girl is obviously not right in the head.

>>156673691
Never saw a more fitting picture.
During this part i constantly thought he would realise how stupid he's behaving, but this moment never really came.
He actually went to fight this knight guy, tried to cheap like a scumbag and still lost to make it even more embarassing.
After that he start started to scream a lot because Emilia got rid of him, still thinking it wasn't his fault.
Actually your picture would be better if there was 1 missing spike for this part.

>>156663698
The fact that people got suprised by this development and did not see the obvious witch fuckery, psychology and inner monoluge just shows how poorly handled the adaptation has been.

Basically the anime was shit.

>>156674087
Emilia pls

>>156674087
Well it isnt really her fault considering Subaru and her act like couple before they confessed to each other. Plus his entire I love Emilia shtick was just him going on about how he his not worthy of a man for Rem and to establish his sense of normality.

>>156674087
>makes him cheat
that's typical women's behavior

>>156672077
Weird but lovable.
>>156672586
Don't bully the elf.

>>156673691
That's the problem with adaptions that don't have enough to time to show everything, especially when he was even more of a sperg in the WN. He has to act like a jackass in those scenes because the plot falls apart without it. The reason why he acted like a jackass in the original is for a number of reasons. Obsession, delusion, jealousy, possible Witch-related BS, and last but not least, he's more of a jackass in the original.
>>156674412
Well, they acted a bit closer than just "good friends". However, by the time Rem pries the confession out of him, they've been clearly looking like a couple.

>>156673030
I completely agree. I like how they brought him low. The fact that real cringes and pity are earned shows how well they did their job at portraying him at his worst.

Doesnt stop these feels though.

>>156673691
I think it was character development though. Seriously, the guy had experienced literal death several times, hes bound to crack a few times along the way. But he is the MC, he has to have slower overall development or he is peak early.

>>156674467
You cant cheat with a woman you never have romantic implications for or with

>>156674412
>he his not worthy of a man for Rem
>is okay with Rem as his SECOND wife or mistress.
???

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>>156674798
>you never have romantic implications for or with

>>156674826
He thought that was a joke at first, but decided to take it seriously later.

>>156674826
Subaru was never the one who wanted that though, he was more than happy to spend the rest of his life with Rem. Rem was at fault for not wanting to villify Emilia.

>>156674907
I hope you do know the part right after that was him slitting his own throat with a dagger.

>>156675006
>I hope you do know the part right after that was him slitting his own throat with a dagger.
So? Doesn't mean that Subaru doesn't love Emilia in that scene and onwards.

>>156675079
Romantically after all the shady stuff implied with it and evidence to point to the contrary? I dunno about that. He loves Emilia but to say their relationship is romantic is a bit of a strech especially with the year gap of arc 4-5.

>>156674087
There's one incredibly obvious point this development always makes me think of. If Rem never got eaten, and Emilia had a normal mature understanding of relationships, Rem would have completely torpedoed Subaru's chances with Emilia. Most people would react poorly to someone even asking for their approval.

>>156675278
>mfw that was Rem's plan all along

>>156675278
>implying a servant and her harmless pranks could do shit to her master.

>>156675342
anon lets fuck

LETS FUCK

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>>156672586
I fixed it for you anon

>>156675700
Put yourself in Emilia's shoes and pretend you're not actually a retard. This guy, who was being a total sperg earlier, saves your life and tells you he loves. He's finally acting cool about the whole thing, and says he'll be patient and wait until you feel the same way.

Oh, but he also wants to bang your maid and is going to try to convince you to go along with this, and doesn't seem like he's particularly willing to just drop the whole idea.

>>156674087
>makes him cheat
Stop passing responsibility.

>>156675914
I will find you

>>156675914
I really hate anime Rem. They turned her from lovely, snarky bitch into moeblob

>>156675942
Oh, and if you do anything to upset this guy, like reject or fight with him, there's a high chance he's going to run crying over to his maid slut to dry his tears in her busom.

>>156676025
and cuddle you

>>156677083
>he's going to run crying over to his maid
Is she his Mom?

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>>156677311
No that's his wife, that's what wives do. Not like Rem is any different when i comes to Subaru regarding that though.

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I love Emilia

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>>156677311
Yes, if your mom was an unrelated girl your age and wanted to fuck you.

>>156677504
How comes Subaru always becomes a crybaby every time Rem's with him but becomes a strong and reliable man when he's with Emilia? Why is Rem such a bad influence on Subaru?

>>156677504
>>156677311
Speaking of mom, what about his real mother back in Japan? He's not dead right unlike Kazuma

>>156677748
If you replace Subaru being a strong and reliable man to an absolute jackass then yes. Rem his a bad influence to Subaru in regards to her being the reason why he hasn't set an entire country on fire and titled Natsuki "The Butcher" Subaru yet.

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>>156665582
>pretending you read the LN

Why lie?

>>156677748
>a strong and reliable man when he's with Emilia?
nice one, anon I laughed

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>>156677748
He's plenty reliable with Rem. Sometimes he just needs a good cry and someone to talk about his troubles to, and he's not so concerned about looking cool in front of his Rem. It helps him relieve his stress and recharge.

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>>156677916
What about her?

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>>156677916
Arc 4, trial one. Also
>Q: Now that their eldest son Subaru has been summoned to another world, what’s the situation in the Natsuki household? They seem like a couple that it wouldn’t be too surprising if they chased after him to the other world.
>A: They’re enduring the disappearance of their eldest son somehow or other. The police investigation has no leads, and Kenichi is trying to comfort Naoko but it’s not that effective. They’re passing each day tearfully.

>>156677919
>in regards to her being the reason why he hasn't set an entire country on fire
Reinhard was the one to make him go cray cray and destroy the country, not Emilia you wiseass.

>>156675278
>>156675942
>normal mature understanding of relationships
How is expecting someone to wait for you in any way normal or mature?

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>>156677916
Being sad

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>>156677748
His very first big and genuine achievement, killing the white whale, was with and thanks to Rem. I think he's at his best when he's with her.

>>156678176
What made Subaru angry at Reinhardt? Who has it he couldn't singlehandedly save?

>>156678250
>What made Subaru angry at Reinhardt?
Envy? Did you even read the story at all?

>>156678176
Nothing wise about it, he burned an entire country due to jealousy and that jealousy is directed at Reinhardt for saving Emilia and Subaru wanting to be the one who saved Emilia by himself with no help.

>>156678072
>>156678091
>>156678201
this is the reason I moved out. Less worry from parents after the first year

>>156678344
Why was the reason he was so envious? Who did Subaru push to become king?

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>>156678193
I never said it was. I'm saying Subaru already had a bad track record with promises, and his prior talk of sticking entirely on Emilia's route and having no interest in other girls is clearly bullshit.

He would have already made out with Rem if he hadn't been interrupted. So, when he says "I'm going to wait for you to fall in love with me" you can't exactly trust him to not start shit with the maid while he "waits".

>>156678229
>I think he's at his best when he's with her.
>Cries like a bitch every time Rem or anything related to her is brought up.
>Mans up and acts like a true leader to save everyone when he's with Emilia.
I don't think so anon.

>>156678580
He gives Rem the credit for making him into a man.

>>156678500
>uses details from non-canon If story as arguments.

>>156678389
Asian rarely moves out

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>>156678580
>Cries like a bitch every time Rem or anything related to her is brought up.
>Mans up and acts like a true leader to save everyone when he's with Emilia.
Not even true

>>156678661
>non-canon
That's not how it works.

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>>156678580
I believe you are mixing the fact that you know, Subaru COULD be crying because she got her soul eaten and Subaru COULD be grieving about it? Even then he doesn't cry he just visits her bedside and talks to get everyday.

>>156678661
Oh? Backed into a corner already? Alright, arc 3, Subaru working towards being Rem's hero. Arc 4 and 5 where he uses Rem's ideals to make him into a better man even being labled a hero in arc 5 because of it. Then there is arc 4 first and second trial. Then there was his Rem battlecry, arc 3 where Subaru gave her all the credit for the whale battle and him aiming to be a better man for her sake.

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>>156678580
https://lemonwater123.wordpress.com/2016/12/19/arc-3-subaru-reacts-to-the-arrival-of-more-whales/

Nice hole you've dug yourself there.

>>156677916
>>156678091
>>156678201
>>156678538
WoE is a bitch

>>156679078
>— Well now, isn’t it about time for you to give up?
>It’s face nearly unseen, the dim shadow grinned widely, and it’s familiar voice urged him to give up. At those words, Subaru accepted the weight of the situation before his eyes.
>Around him, Subaru could see that some of the knights had fallen to their knees as well.
>They, too, had come to understand that the situation was impossible. Their spirit to even begin to fight back had been stolen away, the strength was leaving their eyes, the willpower to hold their weapons was being blown out.
>Suddenly, looking around him, as he sank into the voice of despair standing next to him, he noticed.
>Right next to him, thrown from the ground dragon as he had been, was Rem. Lying on her side, she was raising her head, her delicate face shadowed with grief.
>Strong cheeks and pale lips, trembling eyelids. Looking closely like this, her eyelashes are quite long, he noted quietly.
>…I like it way better when she’s smiling, he thought.
>So…
>“I don’t ever want to hear from you again.”
>He roughly threw off the familiar arm around his shoulder.
>As the shadow frowned in surprise at his action, he smiled at it, and then hit it with a right straight as hard as he could – the shadow shattered, and at the same time, his body stopped trembling.
>Worthless. Pathetic. There was no time to lose his way, no time to slow down.
>So what if there were two more whales?
>His limbs still moved. He could raise his head, and he could still see. He could speak, he could make himself heard. Rem was here. Rem was still alive. It was way too soon to be giving up hope on saving everything.
>…Stand up.

If this isn't him turning into a man I dunno what is.

>>156678927
My point still stands that Subaru's become much more prone to crying and whining due to Rem like in From Zero, that fake death "confession", the encounter with Carmilla, and not to mention all those Subaru's attempts to strangle everyone just because they spoke ill of Rem.

>>156679226
Whenever I read that scene the shadow always feels like Satella whispering into his ear.

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>>156679367
So you wouldn't get pissed if someone spoke ill or was disrespectful to the person you care about a lot and that person was completely defenseless at that time?

>>156679807
I would get mad for sure, but not to the point where I end up strangling those people. What Subaru does for Rem's sakes though is very bad and unhealthy.

>>156679367
Well yeah, he found himself someone who he can talk almost all his problems to, this isn't him being less of a man but more about emphasizing that Subaru can only show his flaws and weaknesses to Rem, From Zero being the parallel of episode 11, prank thinking Rem was dying. The Carmilla scene if a bad example as that's the moment where he actually stood back up to assault a Witch for using her authority on him. Also if this is him whining:

>Subaru: “Who knows... am I worn out? ...But I haven't done anything yet.”
>This loop has seen Subaru battered around entirely, without him reaching even a single correct
>answer. He was in no position to be saying that he was worn out.
>Everyone would anguish more. Everyone would hurt more. Why did everyone have to suffer? The answer there was obvious.
>Subaru: “Because I'm weak.”
>Rem: “—”
>Subaru: “Because my ability is lacking.”
>Rem: “—”
>Subaru: “If I were stronger, smarter, a man who could do more... things'd be over without everyone suffering, sorrowing, hurting...”

---

>Subaru: “I'll let you see my weakness. I'll let you see my frailty. I'll let you see that I'm a pathetic, worthless bastard. —But I'll never let you see me giving up.”
>Subaru is a hero, Rem had said.
>I will act being as Rem's hero, Natsuki Subaru had decided.
>Ever since they shared their promise, Subaru had resolved.
>—That in this world, this universe, the only time he could show his weakness, was when with Rem.
>When with the Rem who knew Subaru was weak, but even so believed in his efforts to act with strength, was the only time Subaru could go without hiding the fact he was weak.
>Not to Emilia, not to Beatrice, not to anyone else could he show it.
>The only person could a Subaru who needed to be strong show his weakness to was Rem.
>Subaru: “My weakness belongs to Rem. She hides all of my weakness, and in exchange even if I have to grapple it in tight, I'm not letting my surrender happen.”

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>>156680023
He only strangled Roswaal though. Do't tell me he didn't deserve it.

>>156680023
I'm pretty sure Rem is the closest thing to a healthy relationship he has. Emilia/Subaru is a contender to the least healthy relationship ever.

>>156680211
>I'm pretty sure Rem is the closest thing to a healthy relationship he has.
The fact that Subaru ignores his need for sleep and spends time talking to the potato from night to morning is already unhealthy to begin with.

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>>156663698
:)

>>156680451
Leave the broken man alone, he's just mourning for his loss for fuck sakes.

>>156680451
Wouldn't you if your girlfriend got her soul eaten? If anything that just displays how committed Subaru is, lack of sleep from spending nights with her while earning money AND intense training from Gaaf and Clind?

It just defeats your point of him being less of a man when it comes to Rem.

>>156663698
>This arc is cringy as fuck when I know whats coming.
The whole show is cringy as fuck - and I'm saying it as someone who loved the premise.
The execution is just as retarded as millions of other Japanese LNs.
It's yet another fucking wasted opportunity, a cool premised bogged down by typical Japanese writing, full of badly imposed self-inserting, plot moving at snail's pace, retarded characters, lazy worldbuilding etc. It's not even unique in this regard - it's like a lot of isekai novels are made with this cut-and-paste cookie-cutter template.

Like, look, let's suppose that there's only the anime in existence, alright?
Throughout the entirety of Re:Zero, how many characters got proper character development? How many important plotlines were resolved or at least moved forward? How much actually important to the plot lore did the world of Re:Zero get? Hell, how much actually competent worldbuilding it got?
Zero. Re:Zero, if you excuse me the tasteless joke.
And as someone familiar with the orginal source material, I can guaran-fucking-tee you - it doesn't get any better in the LN.
It's fucking trash. Two nukes simply weren't enough.

>>156680924
>And as someone familiar with the orginal source material, I can guaran-fucking-tee you - it doesn't get any better in the LN.
you fucking liar

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Which is the better Subaru.

Ultra jaded Echidna fag, loving husband who gave up on everyone else, or elf stalker "i fucking hate that sword saint" Subaru?

>>156681095
MU

Out of the IFs Ayamatsu is the most interesting.

>>156681029
Point out the exact fucking moment where it gets better, because it fucking doesn't.
>inb4 you say "when Subaru's parents are introduced"

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>>156681095
Echidnafag is trying to force a broken girl into a position of ultimate responsibility, while sabotaging other candidates to recruit their knights. Elf stalker is Emilia's monkey's paw who destroyed a country and left her in charge of its ruins, when she's not equipped to handle any of it.

So, I'd say Rem's meat dildo is the best.

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>>156681484
Arc 1 chapter 1. Where they actually made him character inherently villainous but with morals.

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>>156680476
REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>156681484
>>inb4 you say "when Subaru's parents are introduced"
I hope you do know that Subaru's parent were simulated and never introduced. But your criticism is coming from a person who never bothered to read the novels so.

>>156681497
>mfw Rem was dumb and rejected Subaru's proposal, let him return to Emilia again, and get herself nom'ed perhaps eternally.

>>156681693
>inherently villainous
That's just called "not being a pussy" and actually being able to talk to people beyond "o-okay" and spilling spaghetti.
Try pulling the other one, it's got bells on.

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>>156681484
Not him but:

I like the foreshadowing he does, plenty of shit is hinted at and we get to theorize based on it. Like how Subaru is not the only person from earth, and there's many more like them but most are considered liars, and how some people in the underworld like in Elsa's backstory ask her if she's a descendant from a "summoned person" due to her black hair, which seems to be a trait from summoned people. I do agree that it's taking it's sweet time to reveal concrete stuff, but since they're in the tower of the sage now's a good chance for it, especially since we just got the witch backstory explaining what lead them into acquiring their power, and their motivations or how they were prior to it.

The character banter is fun, a lot of them are fairly colorful and it's fun to read. Subaru's parents deal being addressed instead of just being glanced over, and how he was bottling it up in order not to think about it instead of simply having forgotten or not cared enough for them. And stuff along those lines.

Also the world building is good, what are you on about? Plenty of stories explain even more about it, like how Kararagi has a giant lake that connects to many other places and the city near it is the most prosper one, how the founder of Karargi is also from earth from way ago, having united the tribes of the region in there, the politics and the way each country acts, so far the south country not having much info on it, but since it's on lockdown it makes sense, plus having fought Lugunica for years. The candidates all also get some charaterization and explanation for their mindset, like Crusch's past involving the past prince of the country and his death.

There's lots of good stuff. Plus the source material also adds more info on what's going on, where the anime rushed most of it. But that's common for any LN/book adaptation.

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>>156681837
>That's just called "not being a pussy" and actually being able to talk to people beyond "o-okay" and spilling spaghetti.

You really have not read the novels have you? Because I don't think calling Emilia an easy fuck and Rem/Ram prostitute battle-maid whores not being a jackass. Or you know, the time he tried manipulating a Wilhelm who was mourning for his dead wife in the beginning of arc 3.

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>>156681826
fuck tappei if that goes through, Rem deserves happiness

>>156681484
The entire series is watching Subaru's development as a person. Completely powerless teenager who has to re-live his nightmares over and over again for sake of others. Over the anime series so arc 1-3 was him arriving at the conclusion that's what he should do, arc 4 onwards was Emilia's development and for some other characters to be introduced, get some backstory, etc.

Though I do agree a lot of characters developed out of nowhere, the actual complex plot stuff comes past arc 5 and I think you'd know that if you've actually read it.

>>156681957
>Happy endings
>In Re:Zero

Please

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>>156681957
Fourier deserved happiness but instead he got aids

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>>156680476
How the fuck could he even refuse that? Or why would he?

Everything with Emilia has been him just falling head over heels for her constantly when she barely does anything and is like "lol I don't know what you mean"

The guy has problems because people don't believe him and he cant talk about his ability, but then she ends up being the one who actually understands and just listens to him outfight and hes just like "Nah"

This guy is fucking killing me.

>>156682074
If you've read the "From Zero" chapter

>Nobody made expectations for Subaru. She is the only person who didn’t abandon him and didn’t accept the Subaru who abandoned even himself.
>This is the “curse” that Subaru cast on her.

-----

>[Rem: You woke up with a smile, told me the words I wanted to hear the most when I wanted to hear them the most, from the person I wanted to hear them from the most.]
>The frequency of the “curse” that Subaru cast on her is spoken from her mouth.
>That “curse” profoundly and gently restrained her heart with the chains called faith, and she was tied by them like this now as well.

----

>Because he only continued to show his unattractive side…
>Because Subaru himself cast an everlasting “curse” on her…
>He had an obligation to fulfill that duty.

-----

>He raises his face, looks forward, and then looks into Rem’s eyes. She calmly and kindly waits for Subaru to let out his answer.
>Because Subaru wanted to be the Natsuki Subaru that she loves…
>[Subaru: ??I love Emilia.]
>[Rem: ??Yes.]
>Rem responds to Subaru’s confession by nodding with a smile that made it seem as if she knew everything.
>And while knowing how cruel he was being to her smile and her kindness

Which is further emphasized

>Did he really have enough merit to him for a girl as well-done as Rem to love him so much?
>Even now he had to wonder it. That said, he was simultaneously thinking that he'd have to become a man who matched up to that merit.

Basically he thinks of himself as a man not worthy of Rem.

>>156682069
>that secondary character from a side story

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>>156682000
Well he did state that a story with a good ending, is more satisfying if the characters struggled to get there/suffered for it. So for all we know, things may end up ok.

>>156682074
Not like it matters, she became Subaru's girlfriend anyways.

>>156681958
>Though I do agree a lot of characters developed out of nowhere
Which ones? Only one I can think of is Otto, but that was more because we never really knew him in the first place

>>156682175
>Subaru's second girlfriend
ftfy.

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>>156682232
Anon, Subaru can't have a second girlfriend if he never had a first girlfriend to begin with. Subaru never had any girls attracted to him before he got isekai'd, or friends for that matter.

>>156682344
He's been dating Emilia though right?

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>>156682402
>He's been dating Emilia though right?

>>156682402
nope, they aren't dating

>>156682196
I think Otto got consistent development, the problem is there were timeskips and it was as if he was developing consistently regardless of fact Subaru was going back in time.

I think Betty's development kinda came out of nowhere, even though the backstory explained it -- it felt forced.

>>156682467
>Betty's development kinda came out of nowhere
Which part?

>>156682540
End of arc 4 to arc 5, the whole "love me too!!!" thing felt forced.

>>156682443
>>156682457
What are you talking about? Subaru even joked about the baby thing with Emilia and Joshua. Why would Subaru even make that kind of joke if he and Emilia weren't a couple?

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>>156682633
But that was explained. It wasn't from that point, it was from ages ago.

Betty was stuck in a dirty library for years on end, waiting for someone to fulfill her mother's orders, and for 400 years she felt lonely since nobody fit that request. In comes Subaru, who ignores anything related to her knowledge or her own power and just wants to get along with her, he is not the person or at least not so far, but he is showing interest in HER.

Then Subaru comes in and proves to her that she can break out of it instead of blindly clinging to that promise which has no future, without even faking being the person she was waiting for, and she wants unconditional love to make up for all the years of solitude and sadness she felt. Asking to be loved after such circumstances makes plenty of sense. and it was being set up for a while.

>>156682872
you know, you still need two people to call it "dating", Emilia isn't one of them

>>156682872
>Why would Subaru even make that kind of joke if he and Emilia weren't a couple?

Doesn't he do stuff like that throughout the whole series anyways?

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>>156682872
Isn't he still waiting for her to realize her own feelings? They haven't really made any progress, aside from the part where Emilia claims that she has someone in her heart already, and wants to fight for it, but they're not really dating.

Plus in arc 6, Subaru states that even if Emilia came to reciprocate, he wouldn't be able to love her back in full because he's still hung up about Rem, and wants her to return before putting any sort of focus on dating her. He also states that if she doesn't wake up he doesn't think he'll ever be able to answer Emilia back if she does love him back, no matter how much time passes.

Basically Rem needs to wake up before he's on the right mindset for it.

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>>156682141
>Implying it doesn't count

>>156682877
Not him but the entire development of that spanning an entire chapter rather than gradually building it up in arc 2-4 is what is jarring, I wanted more fatheru and daughteru moments between the two to really sell the point.

>>156683014
that sounds so wrong without the actual context of Rem's situation, it's like his goal is to break Rem's heart

>>156683051
I think there may have been more moments between the two, like in the side stories and stuff like that, Plus all the times that Subaru stubbornly called to her for dinner and such times or pestered her.

>>156683014
I can just see it now, Rem finally wakes up
>subaru-kun you sav-
>I love emilia

>>156683089
Well that is implying that Subaru actually ever gets the drive go for Emilia once his precious blueberry wakes up.

>[Emilia: Yeah. I think that’s right. Subaru will devote himself to that girl for a while, and he might stop caring about me as well.]
>[Subaru: No. Under no circumstances would that…..]
>happen. It shouldn’t happen.
>He swears that his feelings towards Emilia would not waver from now on either.
>It’s just that his feelings for Emilia were a different part of the entirety of his feelings. Him having strong feelings towards Rem is a fact, and just like Emilia said, if she were to wake up, there was no doubt that he’d become devoted to her.
>However, she says “it’s fine” to Subaru. Then

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>>156683089
>>156683163
The thing is, Subaru is showing too many signs of caring a little too much about Rem to focus on Emilia if she wakes up.

Hell, he couldn't even refute the argument that if Rem woke up he'd devote himself to her, or more like he was in denial about it thinking "there's no way that's going to happen". Plus, he wanted to go to the tower to be there for when Rem wakes up, even though he had no need to and could have even stayed behind, as he calls it "his selfish desire" to be the one to do it.

>>156683240
yeah I know, I thought that the way you put it was just kind of misleading

basically this
>>156683163

>>156683014
Despite being a potato, the maid still manages to be a homewrecker and leave bad influence on Subaru and Emilia's relationship. Seriously can that potato just disappear for good already? It's getting irritating as things become a lot more complicated just because of her.

>>156683263
I hope we get a little timeskip after she wakes up and room for side stories, dates and shit

>>156683263
It's pretty obvious RE:Zero is going to end with either a threesome (Subaru is a very greedy person) or with Subaru alone.

>>156683410
stop passing responsibilities

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>>156683410
REEEEEEEEEEE Rem is destroying my otp that is shitty anyways

>>156663698
Did you lose a bet?

>>156683443
Its probably going to end up with Subaru standing on a pile of bodies due to how the third trial was like

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>>156680451
>Not losing sleep over diligently taking care of your waifu
>This is an indication of a unhealthy relationship

>>156683263
>he wanted to go to the tower to be there for when Rem wakes up, even though he had no need to and could have even stayed behind

I think its more the fact he is the only one who can do it via his save scumming ability. He can't tell Petra about it so he voices his <opinion> rather than the fact logically he would be the one most likely able to do it.

>>156681948
That's the WN, and they took his jackassery in stride by replying with banter. But yeah, he told Emilia he was sure the maids were fucking Roswaal. Not in those exact words, but he did that. He's not villainous, so much as he's the type of guy who would spit on Roswaal's chair. Right in front of him.
>>156685296
It's his internal monologue that says most of that shit about wanting Rem's praise despite the fact someone more competent might be better suited. Which is kind of funny, since one of the things Subaru complains to Rem about is how the other girls praise him

>>156685296
Actually Subaru said to Petra that he'd rather let Reinhardt do the mission if it didn't involve Rem.

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>>156685459
>>156685499
shit I guess I better reread

>>156685459
>Which is kind of funny, since one of the things Subaru complains to Rem about is how the other girls praise him
well, he's basically getting praised for putting on a mask in front of everyone, I don't think anyone would like that kind of praise

I'm watching it for the first time and I'm at episode 15 now. Honestly I'm having a very hard time continuing with this series.

Subaru is extremely unlikeable, the series tries very hard to be dark and edgy, making characters "despair", but it just comes across as trying too hard and much of the characters actions make little sense or feel extremely forced.

I finnish what I start, but I'm not enjoying this one. Will this thing get any better in the last 10 episodes?

>>156685906
See
>>156665582
>>156674250
The anime is shit.

>>156685459
>He's not villainous, so much as he's the type of guy who would spit on Roswaal's chair. Right in front of him.

People wonder why the maids killed him

>>156685700
Wonder why he's incapable of behaving normally in front of everyone. Perhaps it has something to do with his "I won't show my weakness" BS with that maid.

>>156686365
He's pretty capable but he just acts like an ass around Emilia.

>>156686493
>like an ass around Emilia
so the norm?

>>156686365
"Hey Emilia, remember when I killed the whale and then saved you from the with cult? In actuality I gave up on you and everyone in the mansion and village"

>>156686617
He really memes around Emilia, its a reason why people hate Emilia so much

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>>156686365
Depends who he's talking to most of the time he's a pretty alright guy

>>156686658
Emilia also doesn't have a single discernible personality trait despite Subaru putting her on a pedestal the whole time purely for being the main girl.

>>156673030
Yea. Subaru could've just stayed him and fucked Rem all day, right in front of Ram.

>>156686749
well, she's naive and kinda and innocent
a generic LN heroine

>>156686884
That's the
>have a nice summer
response to the question. "She's nice".

new chapter when?

>>156686944
Fine. She's also rich.

>>156686749
Does Subaru know shes the main girl?

>>156690952
No, he thought she was the main girl in the beginning but that's when he thought the world was some sort of fantasy.

>>156690407
No she's not. She has no money except what Roswaal gives her as a benefactor. Roswaal is rich.

>>156688460
This week is going to be full of assignments, so I wouldn't expect much until next week

>>156691222
He still calls her the main heroine at times, if I recall correctly.

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>>156690952

Well considering the witch of whatever literally grabs his heart and shit, I think the truth is that the only reason why he's interested in emilia is because she's related to Satella

>>156694765
I don't think that's the only reason. He's got more reasons than that. However, his connection to Satella is probably involved somehow.

>>156686798
or fuck her in the guest house and having 'ringas' post sex

>Shitty groundhogs day mechanic.
>Main character obsesses over the most bland female in the series with zero personality.
>Rem and Ram constantly wear their maid outfits even when they aren't doing maid work
>Stupid system of magic
>Villains don't have clear motivation

Wait, so why was this super popular last year I don't get it.

>>156695334
It had some interesting ideas, and people started shilling the WN and talking about its original scenes. Spoiling the plot and shit. That seems to be a large part of how it got popular here.

As for Rem and Ram constantly wearing maid outfits, that's just how they were raised by the clown.

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>>156686798
Are you trying to get Subaru killed? Ram already punished him for sleeping with Rem.

>>156695754
He just needs to knock her up, so Ram has to accept their relationship.

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>>156695334
>Villains don't have clear motivations
This is bait.

>>156696451
He's a meme villain

>>156696451
If you think about it, most of the villains have very dumb motivations. They're just following their strategy guide.

So is arc 4 finished with the latest summary?

>>156668559
>not rewatching the most important anime since evangelion

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>>156698972
>since evangelion
Hey, fuck you.

>>156665582
Is there an adaptation of any kind of media that everyone agrees is better than the original?

>>156691222
I wonder if Subaru would call Rem the main girl if she were the first girl he met after arriving in the different world. Or would he give that title to someone that could fuel his fetishes like Emilia rather than a maid?

>>156700320
Emilia is unique, Rem isn't she has twin

>>156700733
Yeah, but she's got bigger boobs. Which seems to be one of the gags the LN introduced. The Re:Zeropedia actually mentions she used to have a complex about it, while not mentioning the confession scene at all.

>>156700733
Except she's different from her twin in almost every way but early arc WN asshole Subaru didn't differentiate the two just thought of them as "maids"

>>156695754

I dont think the clown dick loving whore has any right to stop subaru from sleeping with Rem.

If Rem had to choose between Subaru and Ram who would she choose?

>>156701257
Both.

>>156701305
indecisive and adulterous man's mindset

>>156701091
That "whore" is Rem's sister so. And even if Ram can't stop Subaru from sleeping with her sister, she will most likely use her Clairvoyance Divine Protection to disturb those two. So those two horny teens are destined to be cockblocked, one way or another, really.

>>156701594
>POV fucking your twin sister
doujin when?

I don't have money for shit, where can i read the manga?

>>156701692
Clairvoyance doesn't work on everyone, so technically she'd be POV fucking Subaru through Rem's eyes.

>>156702595
It actually mostly works on bugs and stuff. Their twin connection on the other hand, that is rife for making Ram feel everything.

>>156700316
K-On!

>>156663698
>>I feel so bad for Emilia.
Don't be. At least subaru has grown from this arc.

>>156680476
Wow, I'm glad I dropped this.

>>156707249
Just had to make sure he didn't have a monopoly on saying stupid shit to just Emilia. Rem promptly sort of files that under 'That's nice Subaru-kun' and keeps on doing what she'd been doing.

>>156686944
Fine, fine. She's there to be the romantic false lead he eventually gets over

>>156708335
They should have included this. I was actually pretty disgusted by anime Rem, because that faking her death scene is what cements her as something other than a tool that exists just for Subaru's convenience.

>>156686749
Aside from being pretty levelled head, studious, diligent, courageous romantically dense, a fairly socially awkward. compassionate and terrible.

Honestly do the author and most the real fans and take your waifu loving was and drop the show already.

>>156716126
How many of those traits actually stand out among the full cast? Is there anyone who isn't courageous in this story? Emilia almost seems to be the most cowardly person at her power level.

>>156680476
Have 0 idea how people stand this corny forced romantic bullshit. Really
What part of all of this was necessary to the plot? She was going to get rejected it served no purpose to write it this strongly. None of it they just want the otaku to get a new waifu and buy merch. They are succeeding in baiting everyone into falling in love with her

>>156682872
Don't be too surprised. This what Remtards here do. They don't read the story only a narrative conforms to what they want. Even Ram, Rem, Crusch and Wilhelm sees that he loves Emilia but Remfags still need make up shit to hold on to their delusions. And they desperate want to believe Rem was serious about polygamy because it gets in the way of fantasy of Rem winning like the AU.

>>156718235
Nodoby's traits stand among anybody, they just exist to define their characters. This stupid question, it's not competition

>>156718642
Subaru fell in love with her though and confessed to her like 2 days later so it had it's porpuse

>>156718656
Read first what they were talking about, esl-kun. Subaru and Emilia are not a couple no matter how you look at it, just because Subaru loves her doesn't mean they are dating.

>>156718739
I know it's not a competition. It's just my observation that when someone says someone has a bland personality, it's not because they don't have any real personality traits. It's because those traits don't stand out in the same manner of those of other characters.

Of I were to tell you what Emilia's actual stand out character trait was, I'd say it's that she gets upset and angry sometimes. Those are her most memorable moments to me. I hope she gets upset and angry more often.

>>156663698
I don't understand why she didn't just use force to shut him the fuck up. Would that have jeopardized her already tenuous standing?

>>156718913
Not him but I like how you contradict the first "trait" he mentioned

>pretty levelled head
>she gets upset and angry sometimes
kek, Emilia hasn't noticeable traits, just what she need to count as a character, pretty boring desu

>>156719027
She tries it in the WN. Subaru gets beaned with large chunk of ice, and he starts angrily shouting even louder until he realizes who did it. Then he starts praising her for it, and how she's truly an old-fashioned heroine. It's kind of funny seeing how he gets angry about certain things, but immediately forgives it and labels it as a plus point if it's Emilia.

>>156663698
You could feed 20 african families with all the spaghetti Subaru spilled on this scene alone

>>156719031
I think she worked best when she opposed Roswaal and someone said her scenes with Regulus are good too, so maybe we need to pair her up with more assholes

>>156719031
Well, I didn't bother thinking of how he described Emilia, and decided to focus on what actually stood out about Emilia. Emilia being level headed, gentle, kind, or brave doesn't really stand out in the cast. Getting angry and upset is what Emilia does best, and those are the times I like her best. None of this "thanks for letting me defeat you" altered scenes. I'd rather it be more frantic and brutal, because Puck couldn't help her, like I hear the original version of her killing a finger was.

>>156719277
Well, she is paired with Subaru?

>>156719277
It depends on how she reacts to Regulus. There's a certain amount and type of upset and anger I like. Her poor understanding actually helps contribute to that aspect of her at times.

Honestly, I kind of wish she wasn't made out to be so powerful. I prefer reading about Otto fight to more powerful characters like Emilia, Roswaal, Fortuna, or Garfiel. The process just seems more interesting. I hope Regulus can at least force Emilia to rely on her wits.

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>>156719277
Emilia is best paired with Arch so she could be the proper lewd elf she was meant to be. Too bad he died of cancer.

>>156708441
I just hope woman who really deserves his love eventually will get it . His mum

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>>156722427
Fuck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0thpEyEwi80

Found the EmiliaTrope.

>>156723253
Huh, that's actually a pretty good match.

>>156718656
Subaru might love Rem but he would end up with Emilia for sure. It's been established that Rem will always be second to Emilia, especially when it comes to romance so there is no way Rem would win Subaru. So rest assured.

>>156723253
Holy shit that's almost spot on

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>>156723253
This is Subaru and Emilia's relationship in a nutshell. No wonder I fucking hate it.

>>156722603
like tears in rain scoob

>>156723593
way to talk out of your ass

>>156723253
>Emiliatards are threatened by their self insert love interest actually being an equal to the MC
Tell me something I didn't know.

>>156724788
>the first girl Subaru met in the different world.
>his first love interest.
>his first kiss.
>his first "I love you".
>his first priority (Subaru chose to save Emilia over Rem twice kek).
>perhaps his first wife.

>>156725305
way to talk out of your ass

>>156724100
It's kind of obvious in a world where Regulus is the only guy who'd ever show romantic interest in her, aside from an outsider like Subaru.
>>156725305
>>his first "I love you".
I'm pretty sure Rem scored that one.

>>156725305
>his first priority (Subaru chose to save Emilia over Rem twice kek).

Confirmed for not reading or watching

>>156725690
>I'm pretty sure Rem scored that one.
>I love Emilia.

>>156725941
That's not "I love you". That's telling someone else that.

>>156724100
I never felt it was that bad, perhaps because her being mentally a child and her special talent, her magic, only get revealed once Subaru's obsession has already calmed down a notch.
She may have been an outside entity who Subaru could charm with his ways but so was everyone else to a degree so she didn't stick out that way.

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"I'm the future, Emilia"

>>156725978
That means Emilia is always the first one Subaru wants to say "I love you" to, not Rem.

>>156726080
It's just slightly delayed. The second they arrive at the mansion, she immediately becomes 100% that.

>>156726289
She was first he wanted to say it to, but not the first he did.

>>156726289
way to talk out of your ass

>>156726334
Unlike Rem, Emilia was the one Subaru willingly said that to so it still counts.

>>156686685
What's the context for this?

>>156726645
fuck off with your head canon

>>156726645
Pretty sure Subaru was more than willing to confess to Rem. The whole you make you make my heart flutter was a thing. Or the fact he nudges Rem during the Wilhelm talk.

>>156726702
Yet he didn't say it to her only until getting pranked. So that means pretty much nothing anon.

>>156726080
It's probably not the most offensive example, but it was obvious at the mansion. Especially with all the shit about how she doesn't believe anyone could be attracted to her, which becomes immediately obvious. I don't really like that kind of thing. In setting, there's pretty much no one who would go for Emilia who isn't Subaru or some complete scum like Regulus, and that's also how Emilia sees it.

I mean, Rem might have no other love interest besides Subaru, but she doesn't act like she thinks someone being attracted to her is impossible. Same goes for Ram, really. She's not interested in anyone but Roswaal, even if she knows she's got other options.

>>156726773
read the Rem confession again and then read the emilia "confession" again

The general conseus is that the shorter Rem confession carried a lot more weight and emotion than the autistic screaming of I love you at a crying girl on the floor

>>156726814
Well that and their Rem/Ram fanclub was a thing

>>156726814
>Same goes for Ram, really. She's not interested in anyone but Roswaal
There was Garf but its really a different situation

>>156726814
It shows up a little bit before the mansion too with the hilariously ironic
>oh wow, you come from a country without prejudice
Then for some reason when they make it to the mansion you learn that she's been isolated and hasn't even been to the town and the whole thing just becomes stupid.

>>156726861
>than the autistic screaming of I love you at a crying girl on the floor
Which scene are you even talking about? Episode 25 was so fucking good and unforgettable. You must have very shit taste if you think otherwise.

>>156723253
Emilia is literally a mind of a child (14 years old but her childhood ended at 8 or something) in the body of an adult

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>>156727083
It happens later. It wasn't a good confession but it was a good scene.

>>156727083
okay we are talking about different things here you damn animeonly

>Episode 25 was so fucking good and unforgettable
now you talking crazy

>fake happy ending
>woo the witch cult was defeated and now everything is perfect
lame and forgettable

>>156726915
Well, yeah. If you think about it, Petra's affection for Subaru has even more competition.

>>156727083
>Episode 25 was so fucking good and unforgettable.
It was a very forgettable episode, nobody ever talks about it

>>156727238
its a good scene that makes you really see the chemistry (especially the lack of chemistry) between the two characters, its not romantic in any sense though.

>>156727303
It pretty much shows that they're both going to have to work really hard if it's ever going to work out. I suppose that's romantic.

>>156727303
Their one and only commonality is that neither of them have any fucking idea what it is that they want. That's just par for the course for LN MC and LN girl though.

Rem's far from great, but she does have a pretty good idea of what she wants.

>>156727238
>>156727303
They did fight a bit at the beginning of that scene, but everything wrong with their relationship got resolved in the end as Subaru gave a kiss to Emilia and reassured her that he would always love her.

>Subaru: “I love you.”
>Emilia: “—”
>Subaru: “No matter what bad things I see of you, no matter what arguments we get into, I'm
unchangingly going to keep loving you. That'll never change no matter what happens—and so I am always believing in you. If you're going to ask why.”

That was so fucking good.

>>156727409
It would be more romantic if the basis of their relationship wasn't him idealizing her and putting her on a pedestal and her feeling that he is the only person who could possibly love her. Their relationship is the most fantastic component of the fantasy world.

>>156727532
>That'll never change no matter what happens
that flag though, rip

>>156727532
Well to me it came off as Subaru forcing himself upon her, so in line with all of his earlier behavior. Subaru's motives of the confession weren't because romantic reasons but of "give her support/confidence so she can complete the trials. Additionally Emilia was in no position to refuse him, she was still in shock of losing her only "family" member Puck and traumatized from the Trials.

After reading spoilers and spotty translations I believe that this will lead into another broken promise. The broken promise that destroys their relationship and becomes the "i wish i never met you" future Emilia said in the third trial.

>>156727815
>The broken promise that destroys their relationship and becomes the "i wish i never met you" future Emilia said in the third trial.
Perhaps that will lead to a second emotional climax between them, perhaps not in the same loop but they really need another scene

>>156727546
Maybe. I think the point is to grow past that.
>>156727532
Honestly, I felt a lot of what Subaru was saying wasn't a very consistent or coherent point. There were times he loved her, but didn't believe in her, so it's silly to say he believes in her because he loves her. If we actually look at the situation, he only truly started believing in Emilia once his other bridges were burned. He didn't believe in her because he loved her, he believed in her because he needed to believe in her.

Which really has nothing to do with whether he loves her or not, though I do honestly believe he does love her. I do get the vague impression that the bite doesn't quite match up to the bark. I'm just not sure to what degree that difference might be.

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>>156728545
Though to further this thought, I don't think Subaru's love for Rem is too ideal either. It's held back for the opposite reasons to his love for Emilia. Instead of loudly declaring his undying love and devotion, and and saying lots of shit which he has wavered on multiple times, he's a bit too quiet and reticent about Rem. He doesn't seem too comfortable when people see him with her, and he never seems too eager to discuss his feelings for her.

If Subaru was comfortable with being as loud and public with Rem as he is with Emilia, that would be when Emilia's status might be threatened.

>>156729285
>that would be when Emilia's status might be threatened.
doubt[x]

At the end of Arc 4, the only one we can say Subaru truly loves is Rem. Rem was the girl Subaru wanted to see most, and her appearance in the Arc was the turning point where he starts his successful loop just like in Arc 3.

>>156729580
It isn't the matter of Subaru not loving Rem or him going true love and all that. It mostly on the reason that he acts like a blob of putty wherever Rem is mentioned and him going on about him not being worthy and whatnot, pretty sure he feels guilty for having a girl well done has her like him .

>>156729725
I was going off which girl he is more emotionally attached too as a way to gauge "love". The line "Rem being the girl, the only person he can expose his weakness to" puts her in the lead in the Subarubowl in my opinion, try to imagine post Arc 3 Subaru without Rem. He would be a complete trainwreck.

>>156729580
I like to keep my personal preferences out of any serious discussion. I feel Subaru's love for Rem is somewhat held back by his reticence to express it more openly. He wants to be seen as the guy who loves Emilia, and acts so as to be seen that way. His belief that he should love Emilia has resulted in a sincere improvement in their relationship, even if it was largely founded on delusion.

However, if the same attitude were to be aimed at Rem, I get the feeling that things might get a lot more intense a lot faster. I think the Natsuki Rem timeline illustrates a bit of how that'd go.

>>156729285
>If Subaru was comfortable with being as loud and public with Rem as he is with Emilia,
Literally impossible because his feelings for Rem are nowhere near as passionate and enthusiastic as those for Emilia. So unless something changes, Rem will keep being Subaru's second choice indefinitely.

>>156730024
>He wants to be seen as the guy who loves Emilia
I think this is the crux of it
He legitimately does have feelings for Emilia, but he's overall more concerned about looking like someone who loves Emilia than being someone who truly does love Emilia. Arc 3 was this in spades, it pops up here and there in arc 4 with his inconsistency in how he feels about her (realising he has less faith in her than fucking Roswaal does, 'i love you so I'm always believing in you' which is demonstrably not true, the whole broken promise debacle etc). It's like he's accepted 'loving Emilia' as a core part of his own identity and is scrambling to keep it that way.

>>156730076
Are the animeonly's flooding in again?

>>156730414
Not sure what I said is wrong. As of now, Subaru's feelings for Rem are very platonic and again not not as enthusiastic as those for Emilia. Otherwise, he would have dropped Emilia long time ago.

>>156730024
Well he announced himself as "Emilia's white knight", and I don't think he is going to go back on it for a multitude of reasons including the fact he does actually care for her. I believe his reluctances is from the "wtf, i suppose to love Emilia" feeling during the pre-whitewhale post From:Zero phase, really the only time he and Rem could be in public.

He was reluctant because he didn't know his true feelings for Rem at the moment and the feign death scene is where he "discovered" them but we can't know for a fact how he would act with her in public with her being a soul less potato.

Rem being eaten and absent from the triangle really complicates "who is winning".

When Subaru basically refuses explicitly define who he loves more to Emilia in Arc 5 and 6, so I can't say Emilia's position is being threatened when it seems that Rem already has a superior position.
>^going back to >>156729285

>>156730076
Can you please lay off the bait?

>>156730024
At least Subaru never denied to Ferris that he and Rem were going to fuck each other. We have that right?

One day Subaru will remember that Satella is his real silver haired half elf waifu and promptly dump Emilia on a street corner.

>>156673691
this chart is so fucking true, show started off amazing then he went full blown Shonen MC, then he suffered some more to put him in his place and when it got better he became Naruto

>>156730076
>So unless something changes
The whole discussion assumes a change. Subaru is very much capable of being passionate and enthusiastic about Rem in the IF, so it's not like he's wired in a way that it's impossible.
>>156730405
Well, if he believes in it strongly enough, it's possible to make it more real. I think that's part of the point. But yeah, Arc 2 and 3 definitely have moments where the shit he says about his feelings for Emilia are proven to be blatant BS by the end of the Arc, the kind of shit about having no interest in other girls and not straying from her route. However, Arc 4 has him more seriously trying to make the shit he says into reality by the end. So that's a step up.

Turning lies into wishes by believing in them, like Emilia said. I guess we'll see how far that can go.
>>156730650
>very platonic
At the very least, he's shown a desire to kiss her on multiple occasions, and is definitely attracted to her even if she doesn't match his type as perfectly as Emilia.

>>156730764
Well, Ferris never asked that. He assumed they had already fucked. Or rather, that Rem had made him into a man, and that question irritated Subaru. Partially because the answer was both yes and no.

>>156730852
>he's shown a desire to kiss her on multiple occasions
Only once and it was spur of the moment so Subaru would have reacted differently if Rem hadn't pulled a prank on him.

>in the IF
The only way Subaru's feelings for Rem could become enthusiastic is them running away from Emilia or Emilia somehow being erased from existence. But that's not gonna happen in the MU so.

>>156674784
A character needs to hit their lowest before their making their greatest leap into success and getting over it by getting into their final confrontation. Not have that rock bottom every two episodes just to rise for any stupid occasion

>>156731073
>Only once and it was spur of the moment so Subaru would have reacted differently if Rem hadn't pulled a prank on him.
Twice. The Carmilla scene mentioned Subaru knew what "Rem" was doing, and what he himself was going to do there. He wanted to kiss Rem in that scene, and would have done so if it were actually Rem.

Isn't that obvious that Subaru forces himself to "love" Emilia because he's afraid of losing his purpose in the fantasy world? I mean from his POV, he was summoned out of nowhere into a fantasy world, then meets a girl that totally looks like his dream fantasy girl, she and him then die and he respawns and learns that he has the RbD ability. I mean that guy must think that she's his designated damsel in distress heroine he must save. That's also the reason he lost his shit in ep 13 when he was afraid that Emilia might reject him or think that he's useless. If he ever stops "loving" Emilia he will have to go back to his old boring world so he keeps trying to force a relationship with her and keep spouting how much he "loves" her while his actions do not fit his words. Rem is in this case his actual love interest, someone he would have interest in regardless in which world he would have met her and because he isn't afraid of what might happen if he doesn't tell everyone that he loves her he keeps it more private and quite. The whole point of loving two girls is that he can develop and learn more about himself and get rid of his delusions. The way the story progresses makes it really seem like once Rem wakes up, shit will go down really fast. Emilia knows already that Subaru and Rem are gonna be very close then but once she sees the difference in how he treats both girls she will understand that Subaru was lying the whole time about "loving" her and that's gonna be the next broken promise and the WoE trigger.

>>156731220
not just kiss but french her

>>156731270
>Isn't that obvious that Subaru forces himself to "love" Emilia because he's afraid of losing his purpose in the fantasy world? I mean from his POV, he was summoned out of nowhere into a fantasy world, then meets a girl that totally looks like his dream fantasy girl, she and him then die and he respawns and learns that he has the RbD ability. I mean that guy must think that she's his designated damsel in distress heroine he must save. That's also the reason he lost his shit in ep 13 when he was afraid that Emilia might reject him or think that he's useless. If he ever stops "loving" Emilia he will have to go back to his old boring world so he keeps trying to force a relationship with her and keep spouting how much he "loves" her while his actions do not fit his words.
That's a bit of a crack theory m8

>>156731220
He was pretty broken at that point so he didn't bother to react or dodge. Also Rem always being the one to take charge in their relationship means Subaru's feelings for her are very platonic apparently.

>>156731270
>Isn't that obvious that Subaru forces himself to "love" Emilia because he's afraid of losing his purpose in the fantasy world?
Well, this part is at least somewhat true in how the WN portrays things. However, I don't think it's impossible for it to grow past that.

>>156731353
>Isn't that obvious that Subaru forces himself to "love" Emilia because he's afraid of losing his purpose in the fantasy world?
Similar to Rem and Subaru's fear of becoming worthless.

>>156731396
Did he ever ask himself what his purpose is in that new world? Why he has the RbD ability? Why he and Emilia died on the first day he arrived there?

I mean if he never though about that then it's just shit writing.

>>156731363
I'm pretty sure the lines suggest he was likely to do more than just sit there and take it. The LN may have made that point slightly more ambiguous. However, the WN doesn't just reflect on what Rem is doing, but also what Subaru knows he's probably going to do himself.

It's pretty evident that Subaru *wants* to love Emilia, but wanting to love semone like an expectation is something pretty artificial in the first place.

>>156731363
stop with your shitty bait, people like you (its probably just you) are the reasons we can't have nice threads.

>Subaru/Rem's relationship
>platonic in any way
[Rem: Is it okay...if I ask for a selfish favor…?]
[Subaru: …! Say it, say anything. I’ll listen to anything because I’ll do it…]
[Rem: Say “I love you”...]
Rem spilled these words out with a faint, frail voice while looking up at Subaru.
In her vision which had become blurred by the swell of tears that gushed up, she saw Subaru shake his head. After that, Subaru brought his face close to her and said,
[Subaru: I love you(suki da)]
[-----------]
[Subaru: I love you(daisuki da). Isn’t that obvious...If you aren’t with me, I can’t live on…]
It was his true feelings. If you were to say that this was when he spilled everything out, that wouldn’t be an exaggeration and would be an accurate statement. If it wasn’t for her, he wouldn’t come this far. If she were to disappear, he would not be able to live on.

>>156731435
The whole "he will have to go back to his boring old world if he stops loving her" makes it a crack theory, maybe he meant to say "he thought if he stops loving her than he would be sent back". I quoted too much but the rest of the stuff is more or less correct.

>>156731482
There's a point where he suddenly realizes that he's never really thought deeply about RbD and that he somehow failed to realize it was obviously connected to the Witch, despite it being a fairly obvious conclusion. He only realizes it when Rem comments on his smell increasing when he returns.

His conclusion was that he might have been given a subconscious aversion to questioning its source.

>>156731645
>he thought if he stops loving her than he would be sent back
well yeah that's what I meant to say, because he'd lose his purpose in the fantasy world he'd get sent back

>>156731645
>Rem: Say “I love you”...
Now if she hadn't asked him to say this.

>>156731533
Using a broken and desperate Subaru to prove that Subaru wanted to kiss Rem is unfair but whatever.

>>156731750
Anon he wanted to kiss her when he was pretty happy that she actually tricked him and wasn't dying at all. He also thought about he wouldn't mind drinking body fluids if they were hers so

>>156723253
Thanks for the vid, completely summarizes 2000 words of autism in a readable and family friendly way.

>>156731728
I think if the anime focused a bit more on the fact he was a <purpose-less> NEET back in the real(?) world, his motivations for latching onto Emilia, the pure innocent naive maiden damsel in distress as his purpose would be more clear.

>>156731750
I don't see how that nullifies the line "those were his true feelings".

Subaru could not bear to live in a near future where Rem would cease to exist. Along with knowing this fact since long ago, her existence still has become sooo much more important to him, compared to long ago. So,
[Subaru: In the future where I talk while smiling, I need you…I don’t want this]
[Subaru: ….Isn’t the answer obvious? I won’t let you go to anyone else’s side.]
Wiping off her tears that were suspended on her eyelids, Subaru looked straight at Rem and said:
[Subaru: You are mine. I won’t let anyone have you.]

>>156731750
>Now if she hadn't asked him to say this.
Well, she never asked for the "I won't let anyone else have you" parts. I don't think platonic relationships trigger that kind of possessive speech.

Of course, it's that kind of shit that makes it obvious that Subaru is Envy. Like how Subaru gets has a headmate for every Authority. Geuse for Sloth, and Regulus for Greed. However, he had Satella before he had any other.

>>156731826
>He also thought
Doesn't mean he would actually do it if those things were given to him.

>Anon he wanted to kiss her when he was pretty happy that she actually tricked him and wasn't dying at all.
>Only once and it was spur of the moment so Subaru would have reacted differently if Rem hadn't pulled a prank on him.

If we have Ram as a precedent for contracts manipulating people's emotions, what are the chances that Subaru is in a contract that is ensuring he'll love Emilia?

>>156731965
>let me ignore facts and create my own head canon!

>>156731935
>>156731961
Do you forget that people's emotions tend to be amplified and exaggerated tremendously when they are panicking? Subaru's feelings for Rem are strong but at the same they are platonic.

>>156663698
>people actually think Re:Shit is good
>especially since they butchered the adaptation of a shitty novel
lel

>>156732101
>wants to kiss her
>wants to touch her
>would drink her body fluids
>it's stated that these are his true feelings
>it's all platonic guys!!
anon please,that was enough for today

>>156732017
He's definitely got some kind of contract, but the details are unclear. However, if he's got any purpose in the world, it definitely involves sticking close to Emilia. Sticking by her is what puts Subaru in place to move up in the world and acquire new powers. How does Satella expect him to kill her otherwise?
>>156732101
He said the jealous boyfriend shit after he had calmed down a bit.

>>156732101
You don't know how human relationships work do you? Remember that time where he was mind broken and cried when anyone but Rem was by his side? Or when he held Rem's hand the entire time during the negotiation scene? Or that time Rem was in a coma before him and he slit his own throat without hesitation to go back and save her?

People don't love each other because they said "I love you", they love each other because of their emotions.

Next thing you are going to say is that his "I love you" wasn't sincere

>>156732101
He doesn't deny to Emilia that he'll probably spend more time with Rem than her. Though she says she'll try to steal him back, I doubt she could as his love for her was fetish fuelled and thus weaker than originally thought.

>>156732362
It depends on what she tries, I guess. Maybe Emilia will give Subaru a love confession after Rem wakes up.

>>156732322
>Remember that time where he was mind broken and cried when anyone but Rem was by his side?
>This is to prove that their relationship is not platonic!

>Or when he held Rem's hand the entire time during the negotiation scene?
I'm glad that scene was changed in the LN and anime because it would otherwise give people false impression of their relationship.

>Or that time Rem was in a coma before him and he slit his own throat without hesitation to go back and save her?
>Subaru's feelings for Rem are strong but at the same they are platonic.

>>156732362
>He doesn't deny to Emilia that he'll probably spend more time with Rem than her.
So Subaru wanting to spend more time with Rem means he will want to fuck her now? Wow.

>>156732578
>was going in for the kiss
>platonic

>>156732578
Why would Subaru feel guilty about saying he had platonic feelings for Rem?
>it would otherwise give people false impression of their relationship.
That's the thing. It wasn't a false impression.

>>156732637
Now if Rem or Carmilla didn't attempt to kiss Subaru.

>>156732655
The anime and LN, which are canon according to the author, are making Subaru's feelings for Rem more and more platonic so that's most likely the impression they want the audience to have.

>>156731645
>Isn’t that obvious
This is an important part, isn't it? Even Subaru acknowledges that it's obvious by that point.

>>156732778
Yeah and its the same canon LN where SUbaru and Rem slept together acted like a couple and went on dates during arc 2-3. Also where Subaru acts like the jealous boyfriend an arc sooner with Diaz and Liliana. Or the time he tried to get Rem drunk for reasons.

>>156732778
The anime has moments which contradict the LN. The anime can't be canon to the LN unless it's rewriting history. The LN also has some questionable changes with Puck and other details that don't make much sense. Given that he was able to fight Roswaal in a massive battle at one point, without hurting Emilia in the process, he should have the power to take out the Witch Cult. Without the contract explanation, the earlier lack of participation makes little sense.

I prefer the version which doesn't create unnecessary plot holes.

>>156732962
How can you be this desperate anon? Subaru didn't even have that kind of relationship with Rem during arc 2-3. And you still used those scenes to prove Subaru's feelings are not platonic? I swear man.

>>156733005
Those scenes might have been revised and explained later on. But anyway in terms of depicting characters' relationships, both anime and LN have been pretty spot-on so far.

>>156732962
Not him but it looks like you're getting desperate just a agree to disagree and end the discussion

>>156733198
>anime
>spot-on
No

>>156733198
LN is actually close to WN for Rems feelings. Whitefox is just filled with copious amounts of Emiliafags
Subaru never outright killed himself when a close friend of his died. He endangered the entirety of Arc 3 just so that he can save Rem, sadly the checkpoint moved. If the relationship was just "platonic" then why is it described that she occupies a large portion of his heart?
Besides that his love for Emilia is fetish fuel, he believed he reincarnated into the typical isekai hero and Emilia was his heroine, it was a false love until recently. Emilia doesn't even understand him that much, she needed Puck hax for the arc 2 comfort scene

Why are you idiots trying to argue with a moron that has literally not read anything and only watched the anime. The reason it seems like he's trying to argue using completely contextless ignorant hearsay is because he is. Oh, and he can't read or type english either so 90% of what you say doesn't matter.

>>156733198
>>156733412
>Not him, but let me say the exact same thing in the exact same typo-ridden way with a complete lack of understanding conveniently not within a minute of each other

>>156733572
We can't help it

>>156733988
At least start the argument with this and tell him he played himself because apparently Subaru only platonically loves Emilia too.

>Subaru: “Love her, love her a lot. I love her as much as I love you, Emilia-tan.”

Wait, isn't Emilia the author's waifu? But Rem and Subaru have a more authentic romance? Where is it going with this?

>>156734111
The author doesn't have a specific waifu, or if he does he's not saying. I'm highly suspect it might actually be Ram, but he's said all the girls are his, Crusch is his wife, Felt is dangerously good, etc...

>>156734109
>Subaru's love for Rem is not platonic!
>But his love for Emilia is definitely platonic even though he said he loved both equally!
You are a fool for treating Subaru's words too seriously. His actions so far have never proven his feelings for Rem are not platonic.

>>156734311
You said his love for Rem is platonic, he loves Rem as much as Emilia so your logic is that his love for Emilia is platonic. Everything he has done with or to Emilia he has done with or to Rem, and you say that's platonic.

>>156734311
Seeing you copy my posting style is pretty funny, you're like the Roswaal to my Hector. Unfortunately it doesn't work if you, like Roswaal, can't think for yourself and are mostly a retarded clown who tries to copy what others have written. And Roswaal at least fucking reads the book.

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