Would /a/ rather work at SHAFT? http://shaft-web.co.jp/recru

Why would anyone work in anime? you work your ass off and it pays like shit.

>>156621783
>would you rather have a good job at one of most recognized anime studio or a meh job at less recognized studio
gee boss i don't know...

GodAni

>>156621783
>bad or worse
No thanks.

If kyoto is anything nearly similar to what we see in Uchouten Kazoku I'd go there anytime. Comfy as fuck.

>>156621783
Actually, it's two days off at KyoAni, Saturday and Sunday.

>>156621783
>implying people work at SHAFT

>>156621783
How are japs still in recession for over 20 fucking years when they work 60+ hours a week? What a bunch of incompetent retards.

I don't like everything that KyoAni puts out but they're a great model given Japan's horrific work culture (worse than any industrialized country other than maybe burgerland)

>>156621783
>>10 hour workday
>>2 hour break but subject to change
>>No days off
Why is japanese work culture so shit?
Why do they keep shit like this going when it's proved that doesn't improve productivity?

Or you could have all that SHAFT requirements to work at some shit tier manga.

SHAFT doesn't get holidays off? They work on Christmas and New Years and whatever Jap holidays they have over there?

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There is a better deal. Work in A-1 pictures for a month and you will finally be able to kill yourself.

>>156622058
Doesn't say in that website.

>>156622006
Lol, 20+ of those hours they're just picking their nose trying to look like they're passionate about their jobs

>working on anime industry
I`d rather flip burgers @ mcDonalds.

>>156621783
Kyoani because Kyoto is a much better city.

>>156622006
its just one business field and also one that is non productive too

children cartoons sure provide a lot of value to japan's position in global economy...

None because you could get more money doing commissions on deviantart in half of the time they require you to work.

Also
>Doing internships
>Ever
There's more dignity on fast food joints.

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>>156622036

>>156621783
>Overtime work uncommon, but paid
You can stop right there. Even the european studio I work at don't pay overtime. Heck most european studios don't pay overtime.

>>156622187
>weekly manga
real manga is monthly

>>156622153
Because salarymen don't work retarded hours as well right?

>>156622006
Changes in their internal labour market + not much of a real global policy to speak of + slow to change + young people collectively checking out of traditional society + more.

>>156621872

Beats any normie job, really. Having no time to see other people is just a bonus

>>156622029
The ad just doesn't mention days off, doesn't mean you don't get any, OP is trying to ruse.
Both Kyoani and shaft offer the same 8 working hours, except longer break in shaft.

>>156622256
Salarymen don't work the literal worked to death hours anymore. They replaced the xtra houses with company bonding.

>>156622443
Man I'm glad that I'm not japanese alone for that company is your second family meme.

>>156622256
no other job works same kind of slave shifts animators do, you should know it by now

>>156622443
>want to go home and see your family
>forced to drink with your asshole boss
Bravo japan

Still better than a Korean animator's life.

>>156622618
The software industry does.
Not only in Japan, even.

>>156622716
They can't reject those conditions. Coders are so easily replaceable.

>>156622006
Why wouldn't they be after all the industries that led them to rich 80s and 90s got completely fucked over by cheap chink labor? For every compenent jap who works 12 hours per day there are 10 less competent chinks who work same hours while asking for 1/5th of the pay each.

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Working with Shitbo seems like it would get annoying.

>>156622187
how the fuck did it ever come to this? I mean when it started out they surely didnt decide "hey manga drawing should be a 24/7 job", it must have been pushed towards this by asshole editors and spineless pushover artists.

>>156621783
Fuck those Tokyo pricks!

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>>156622187
A not shit version

>>156623384
>not being able to ready japanese
Looks like you're the shit here

>>156623296
There's way too many people wanting to 'make it big' in this industry, and it's not like you need a particularly decent set of skills to succeed, just look at how many awful series and light novels get greenlit and even are in the top sellers.

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>>156621783
I wouldn't want to work in Anime full stop. But I fucking hate taking holidays, so I'll go with SHAFT, plus as dogshit as SHAFTs recent works have been they somehow manage to be better than KyoAni's current serving of tripe, which is just an endless stream of yuri shit.

>>156621783
real talk here
If i had the choice irl i would pick shaft cuz i would probably be able to "animate" their slideshow anime.
I cant animate at the level of quality kyoanus demands and even if i could it would probably take me too long which would make the job very frustrating

>>156623296
Lots of people who can draw and willing to do anything in the industry. If you aren't willing to work those hours, someone else will gladly do it.

>>156621783
Where's the NEET option?

>>156623469
>But I fucking hate taking holidays
What the fuck

>>156623384
With that schedule I would just kill myself.

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>it's the "Dumb coddled western kids who think that they are entitled to 6 hour workdays on creative dreamjobs"

Almost every single game/cartoon/movie you have ever loved involved both it's leading people and the pawns working themselves to death. Japan may run it's salarymen into graves but this "issue" is not exclusive to Japan when it comes to creative fields.

Either pour your heart, soul, health and sanity into a chance to create something that matters or live a comfortable life of being an irrelevant nobody.

3rd option is akin to winning a lottery.

>>156623748
I don't like leaving people to carry the burden themselves while they know I'm apparently comfy at home or somewhere fancy, plus you might get rusty and under perform when you get back.

>>156623471
In SHAFT you would need to draw faster with less time, the quality would be full of QUALITY.
In Kyoani you would have to draw with more time.

Why the fuck would anyone want to live in Japan?

>>156623984

You sound like such a tool.

>>156624012
The weabos. Vacations there would be nice though.

>>156624012
Well I live in mexico and it's awful so Japan doesn't look too bad in comparison.

>>156622153
>children cartoons sure provide a lot of value to japan's position in global economy...
They're doing a great job at marketing the country as a whole to the people that are currently 35 years old or younger.

>>156623978
Or crank out a shitty 8 bit game in a weekend and overcharge for it.

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>>156624083
People are bitter and jealous Anon, what seems like a break from work is actually the beginning of the end of your career.

>>156624119
Unless you are a fucking poorfag that work his ass off for a shitty salary ($600) per week, you have many vacations.

>>156621783
Kyoto is pretty boring.

>>156624012
>great infrastructure
>quiet
>almost no crime
>top comf
>great food
>anime shit everywhere
>game centers
>weeb events
>everyone is polite even if they hate your shit
But of course since some guys here work themselves to death it can't be anything but hell on earth.

>>156624182
I need breaks to clean my head.

>>156624182
Unless you work flipping burgers, replacing someone just because he actually took Holidays off is not really a thing.

>>156624182

What fucking shithole do you work at where you can even come up with this nonsense?

>>156624231

>here

weeb confirmed

>>156624012
I live in a 3rd world shithole and in tge last 5-10 years the west has done absolutely everything it could to completely diminish any respect I had towards it.

If I had a choice I'd rather work myself to death as a Japanese person than slowly rot in the trash cauldron that Europe and America have turned into. Not that I have any.

Also: food.

>>156624231
Spotted the weabo.
>Small houses because there are too many moonies.
>Have to lick you boss'ass.
>Expected to work extra hours without getting paid for it.
>Work yourself to death.
>Moonies don't like to hire gaijins because they complain too much.
>You live to work, say goodbye to free time.

>>156624427

Japanese food is garbage. Only half decent food they produce is noodle based.

Has anyone visited Kyoani studios? I was thinking of dropping by when visiting this summer.

>>156621783
Living in Kyoto is literally my dream, I'd do anything for it

>>156624138
There are literal thousands of those. That's a "lottery" option.

>>156623384
>only eating lunch 2 days a week
>eating 1 meal a day, 3 days in a row
What the fuck.

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>>156624535
They politely tell you to fuck off and give you a map with their store which is like 2 blocks away

>>156623296
Do you have any idea what it takes to draw 14-18 pages a week and also come up with ideas, designs, script and roughs for the next week's chapter? Why do you think the few full time webcomic artists there are in the west put out 3-5 pages per week instead?

For these people to have a life, manga release cycle would have to be 20, at most 25 pages per month. If there are people willing to do 15 per week, they'll be definitely more sought after by publishers.

This is the famous "free market" in a nutshell by the way. That's why those pushing for "free market" economics are either high school/college students or those who would benefit from overworking their employees.

>>156622187
That takes some amazing work ethic.

>>156623471
KyoAni has a department that trains new animators. You might stand a chance.

>>156621783
>No days off
vs
>Days off and paid overtime in fucking asian country
Why would anyone want to work at SHAFT?

>>156623978
>t. underpaid contractor cuck

>>156624484
Not enough grease and salt for your complex burger palate?

>>156623984
If you're the only competent person who can do your job, I can see that.
However, that's not the case at McDonalds, Jamal. You're expendable.

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can I work at Musashino Animation?

>>156622187
I fucking pity their families, assuming they have one.

>>156624592
And that is the reason 99% of weekly manga is shit.
Customers that buy that trash are more to blame than the desperate idiots willing to work those hours.
Why would anyone want to support anything but monthly publishing is beyond me.

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>>156624676

I bet you love sushi, and undercooked to raw seafood.

>>156624592
It really depends on the artstyle. A person like Oda could easily shit out 3-5 pages in a single day, especially with assistants who will ink it and do the backgrounds. And then there are people like Miura doing the crosshatching alone in their basements.

Many of the manga artists can even afford to save enough time to make doujinshi for fun while getting published.

Asian food is delicious, but all is very similar except for Japanese that seems to go for lighter stuff and with not much seasoning.

>>156624676

Cool baseless assumption and non-argument.

Japanese food sucks.

>>156624592
>Implying this is free market
You're a retard. I live in Germany, and this doesn't happen here. You know why? Because the state doesn't allow you to be working 24/7.

This only works if companies hold all the power.

>>156624676
No, I just draw comics for free as a hobby and I'm calling things out for what they are. This is a work environment from 200 years ago.

>>156623384
>weeaboos want this

>>156624119
>eleven hours a day
you would go crazy, that is speaking as a colombian, who knows better

>>156623275
Why hasn't a Japanese Donald Trump showed up?

>>156625016
Yes, unregulated working conditions are a part of the free market. If there are regulations regarding how you should do business, the market is no longer free.

>>156624573
>eating more than one meal a day
you are either fat or just american

>>156625171
That's absolute bullshit. The free market has to abide the laws of the country.

>>156625116
I work 11 hours a day and it's not too bad.
I get 3 days off a week, though.

>>156625016
>I live in Germany, and this doesn't happen here. You know why?
Becuse you are some stupid kid probably working in a service industry and hasn't actually seen shit?

It's not a matter of the law. People anywhere will be willing to work extra to reap the benefits and they will always have opportunities to. No law will ever stop them and they will end up above your sorry ass.

>>156625138
They don't make babies so no japTrump was born yet in country of betas.

>>156623384
This shit better pay in the millions to justify this

>>156625016
germany is not a free market, it is heavily regulated (for example the Bundeskartellamt), germany does not even have real free speech if you never realised.

>>156622426
>normie
Fuck off.

>>156625138
You mean Koizumi?

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>>156625116
I'm also a colombian expat...I have no social life

>>156625138
>>156625138
japan already tried making japan great again back in the 40's...it didn't worked very well.

anyways, the gov. is trying hard to make people leave early from work to keep them from dying but it's hard because that's not the japanese way...

>>156622006
Long hours don't guarantee efficiency. In fact Jap workforce is much less efficient than in most Western countries. As an extreme example, it is considered shamefur to leave before your boss, so a worker might just sit on his desk doing nothing worthwhile and wait until the boss leaves.

>>156624948
I see you've never tried tonkatsu then, and not that supermarket porkchop crap they give you at those chinese all-you-can-eat. I mean the real deal tonkatsu.

>>156625409
so what is it like?, what awaits me fampai?

>>156625216
now try doing that, except without any days off

>>156624231
>everyone is polite even if they hate your shit
Oh boy. As soon as you're fluent in their language, you'll realize they always talking behind your back.

>>156621872
>you work your ass off and it pays like shit.
Like every job in Japan.

KyoAni, easily

How does one even stop mangaka from working 100 hours per week? Kick him out if the job early and he will just keep drawing at home.

It really baffles me how many people here can't grasp the concept of a dream job. Especially considering that most of you are familiar to things like playing online games for 12 hours every single fucking day and actually paying for it (as opposed to getting payed and advancing your career).

Yes it's not a comfort job and people who want a comfort job never choose that route anyways.

>>156625532
I've read about this. Japs learn that they often have to stay at the work place for easily 10+ hours, even if the large bulk of the work is doable in, say, 4 hours. So they basically learn to divide the work over the extremely long hours and work at turtle pace.

>>156625590

I tried some while over there. It's okay. Nothing great.

>>156625811
I just can't fathom working 100 hours a week to draw the equivalent of capeshit.

>>156625811
>considering that most of you are familiar to things like playing online games for 12 hours every single fucking day and actually paying for it (as opposed to getting payed and advancing your career)
I think you got us confused with /v/ or /vg/, son.

>>156621783
Between the two, KyoAni of course.

>>156625811
but anon, the graphic in the thread illustrates a 130h work week and it even sacrifices sleep atleast one day a week, if not even more in busier schedules.

>>156625400
Lay it on me then, how far off am I?

>>156625811
i don't give a shit how much you like your job, if you are working 19 hours a day on your worst day, and 14 on your best, while having only 2 meals a day at best, then you aren't happy, how is that even physically posible?, do you think the power of love for your job is going to sustain you?,are you that retarded?

>>156625811
I do have a dream job, but it doesn't involve me spending all but THREE hours every week working on it. That is absurd

>>156624871
>Not eating fish as soon as you fished it out of the water

>>156622006
Unsurprisingly, 12 hour work days (of which only 8 are paid) and only Sunday off (if that) without vacation doesn't help efficiency. People worked to the brink of suicide aren't very productive, even if they work 12 hours a day.

>>156625811
Working nearly every hour of the week, every single week and still being behind on your deadlines can't be a dream for anyone. Especially considering people like Oda are an extreme rarity. Most of them aren't making the type of money he is, despite the fact that they should be considering almost all their waking hours are spent at work

>>156622443
Karoshi and abusive labor conditions are still a big deal, they just try to find as many loopholes to exploit as possible and do the forced socializing atop that.
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/03/30/national/kansai-electric-employees-owed-%c2%a51-7-billion-overtime-pay/

>The employee, a section chief in his 40s, worked more than 100 hours — sometimes up to 200 hours — of overtime per month prior to his suicide.
For our friends at home, that indicates a 65-90 hour workweek and that's presuming he's not working more overtime off the clock, which is common.

>>156623413
To be fair, the resolution is better too.

>>156624731
I can only think of a couple mangaka who I know for sure are married. Naoko Takeuchi and Togashi are an obvious one, the TLR mangaka famously had legal issues with his wife that caused problems with the series, and Oda has mentioned being married and having a son who likes Precure way more than One Piece.

>>156625952
Capeshit is just jews throwing money away to promote movies and their own agendas. No matter what you think about manga and it's quality, it's still all about passion.

I personally know one artist dude who somehow managed to get ties within marvel. He basically works for 5 days per month, gets his 500-2000 bucks per optional cover for some throwaway tie-in comics and proceeds to jerk off in the remaining time. He's never been popular or drew comics or anything like that either. I bet that sounds more like /a/'s dreamjob.

>>156623384
Jesus christ no wonder most every anime/manga takes place in high school. Adult life in Japan is hell

>>156621873
Calling either unrecognized is retarded.
They're both responsible for enormous unprecedented financial and critical successes

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>working for any Japanese company.

I like to consume Japanese entertainment media. I sure as heck don't want to live in Japan.

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>>156626052
You're SOL unless you manage to make a hit and a bunch of publishers are based in Tokyo, meaning you probably have a higher cost of living and get your puny income skullfucked by basic necessities.

>>156621873
I don't even know which Studio you're insulting here, they're both easily the two largest and most well-known studios alive right now.

>>156626611
>Sunrise
>Toei

>>156622006
working more != higher productivity

it's usually the opposite honestly

>>156626676
who?

>>156622426
>normie
Go back to twitter, faggot.

>>156626052
Around $2000-3000 a month and that's implying you are a top notch animator / illustrator.

Bet for rookies it's even sub $1000

>>156626722
>it's usually the opposite honestly
No it's usually one person doing 20 people job and 19 people doing nothing.

>>156621783
do the guys at shaft get free drugs or do i have to bring my own?

>>156625233
>People anywhere will be willing to work extra to reap the benefits
Pro-tip: working extra won't result in your own benefits unless you're self-employed.

And even then you're better off taking it easy.

>>156625344
>germany is not a free market, it is heavily regulated
Which is a good thing.

>>156626879
The india studio snuggles hashish with their cuts

>>156625306
Even if it did, you wouldn't be able to find time to spend it.

>>156625030
people worked less 200 years ago dumbass

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I wish I could have contributed to the creation of such wonderful loli.

>>156626963
>snuggles
Smuggles

>>156621783
>this will never be you
I can't take it the tears wont stop

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>>156626879
Absolutely do not bring your own, you will get arrested before you can draw your first SHAFT tilt. This includes prescription and OTC medications. Japan does not fuck around with drugs, despite the public understanding of them being "marijuana needle"-tier.

>>156626963
>snuggles hashish
It's a good visual.

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This is why you don't draw mainstream manga. You draw porn.

>easy as fuck to get hired if your drawing skills are above average
>can get hired with below-average art too if you're lucky
>nobody who does it is rich by any means but more than enough for a living
>can always choose to work harder and do doujinshi for more money/exposure
>nobody will kick you out if the tankoubon does not sell but you will get a bunch of bonus dosh if it does
>drawing porn is one if the best ways to perform a self-therapy to the point where many busy artists in the big industry still do it just for the fun of it

>>156625116
You are a retarded monkey

>>156625720
>>156624448
just like anywhere else? good

grow up manchildren

>>156624535
pls buy me k-on shit

>>156621783
>No days off
It doesn't say you get no days off anywhere.
Business hours are subject to change, not your break time
It's a normal ass 8 hours job and you're making it sound like slave driving hellhole on purpose.

>>156627370
Just try to be sociable and friendly. Like an anime harem protagonist.

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>>156627434
If it doesn't say it it's probably because it doesn't have it.

>>156622212
Overtime laws are bullshit everywhere because they can call it anything an specialist job and deny any overtime pay for it.

>>156627203
Good luck competing with the thousands of artists posting excellent illustrations (a good chunk of which is porn) on pixiv for free, aiming for exactly the same.

>>156621783
I wouldn't want to work at any place in japan due to that wierd monthly pay thing.

>>156627203
>more than enough for a living
>nobody will kick you out if the tankoubon does not sell
Literally lies.

>>156621783
I'd rather work at my current job
>65k a year
>6 hour workday 7 if I take a lunch
Always home by 3.

>>156622187
This kills the Oda.

>>156627434
p-please stop ruining my shitposting

>>156624012
Maybe being japanese means working to death but at least I know I will have a decently paid stable job.
Working in my country usually means being an underpaid slave who could lose his job at any given time because of shit economy.

>>156627883
Next time, go live in a normal country with social benefits instead.

>>156625344

the only regulation that free-market requires is anti-thrust and the like regulations to keep competition unimpeded. Everything else is seen as government interference and shunned by most free market economists specially worker protection laws.

As a capitalist friend of mine would say "people should be free to choose to be be fucked over by an exploitative employer".

I didn't agree with him but at least he wasn't cynical like the pretend-capitalists in this thread.

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This reminds me of that jap documentary about some old guy who had a sushi place where they made a bunch of kids work for free 8 hours a day for 2 like years because it was such an honour to work under a Yamato sushi expert

>>156627964
Moving countries isn't as easy as it sounds, my man.

>>156627964
Yeah because you simply choose where you are born in you fucking retard

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>>156622187
>>156623384

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So I already know that people in the anime industry are paid like shit, but how much do mangaka usually earn? normal mangaka no monsters like Toriyama or Oda.
I mean the wages can't be THAT bad if Miura and Togashi are constatly taking breaks

>>156621783
Kyoani sounds pretty good desu

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>>156627883
>decently paid stable job.
In Japan it's become increasingly common to hire temporary workers on contracts. They get none of the stability or benefits of being a traditional employee, their hours are subject to the whim of the employers (a la zero hour contracts), and can be terminated at any time for any arbitrary reason. They almost never get hired on as full-time proper employees. They're referred to as "permatemps." The gov't tried to remedy this back in 2012 by putting a limit on contracts that stated that a temp workers must be hired on as a regular employee after five continuous years of service with a company.

4.5 years later, there was a mass firing of temp workers.

>>156628183
Good work.

>>156628183
saturday and sunday should be filled with shitpost

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KyoAni's new building is pretty much done. Wonder what they'll use it for.

>>156628242
>wages can't be THAT bad if Miura and Togashi are constatly taking breaks
>Listing two highly famous and successful mangaka, both of whom get royalties out the ass and one of whom is married to an even more famous and successful mangaka who also gets royalties out the ass

Think slightly more than not at all.

>>156628156
You should have done your homework when you decided to be born in your flesh avatar.

>>156621783
>8 hour workday
>Paid vacation days
>Paid overtime
Wow, it's almost like working with KyoAni is like working in a fucking civilized country.

>>156628242
People you've named have been set for life for years. Even midrange manga pays well, but good luck "making it" in the industry. You are either well off or back at the publisher's stepps if the series fails.

>>156628529
Work harder, not smarter.

>>156628478
What kind of royalties does Miura gets? In all that time he was doing nothing he only had that 90's anime and the three movies later

>>156625811
>comfort job
Does that even exist?

>>156628654
Japan's corporate system is so fucked up that it crushes souls yet still has lower productivity than most of Europe.

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>KyoAni is the only studio that treats their employees like humans
>Still produce the most visually impressive anime in the industry
https://youtu.be/0CJeDetA45Q

>>156628679
Oh, yeah. He "only" has a world famous franchise that has been shitting out merchendize for years.
>ppht this manga title has only had 3 separate anime releases, what a disgrace

You are fucking retarded.

I bet if half the nip animators died suddenly for no reason or committed a mass suicide, we'd just get one or two short anime series less per season.
Might have to perhaps put up with a slight increase in QUALITY, but that's not really bothering the Japanese themselves, and it won't bother gaijins stealing animu either.

>>156628850
>happy employees produce better results

Really fires up the old think tank.

>>156626971
I think the idea is that he'd a couple years like this and collect a large sum of money, then spend the next few years taking it easy and spending his money.

>>156628850
>Still
It's a well known fact that hours worked correlates inversely with productivity per hour. This is why France, home of the 35 hour workweek, is one of the most productive countries in the world. I'm citing The Economist when I say that French salarymen could take every friday of the week off and still get more work done than their British counterparts. Such a shame about the high unemployment though.

It's likely that KyoAni produces a lot of visually impressive anime BECAUSE they treat their employees well. If only they learned how to license good source material to apply that amazing art to.

>>156629091
Next step is to become a CG-animator and work on some CG-anime that will outsell everything.

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>>156629248
>CG-anime
Do you think this is a motherfucking game?

>>156628679
Video games, TCGs, figures, other assorted bits of merch, etc.

>>156629303
Guilty Gear Xrd can do pseudo-2D CG well.

>>156629303
You have to unlock some basic skill as animator before you can switch to the cg-animator skill tree.

>>156629025
There's no need to be so mean

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>op posts 2 job vacancies with decent conditions and normal ass work hours
>all of /a/ rants about poor nip animators overworking themselves to death
What?
What's a good vacancy for you fucking neets, then, 1 hour a day?

>>156629642
Probably the fact Western standards are the stereotypical 9-5, 40 hr/week, Mon-Friday with weekends and holidays off. At least that's why I was a little surprised by this, though it's no secret Japanese and Asian countries always do stuff like this.

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>>156629642
I got the impression that only a few people were complaining about the studio positions and the rest was "being a mangaka is more bullshit" and "working in Japan in general is bullshit."

>>156629817
Both ads are offering 40 hours a week, they just don't count lunch break as work, which sounds reasonable to me, that's how it is at my job.
I also like how work hours at Shaft are 12-22, don't have to wake up early and deal with rush hour bullshit.

>>156629213
That's kind of what the Welcome to the NHK author did. Last I heard he started a cult.

>>156629972
They both list the schedule, KyoAni is from 9 to 6 meaning it includes lunch break, probably an hour or 30 minutes.

>>156621783
You didn't tell me which one pays better per work hour.

>>156621873
And then there's this /v/ermin.

>>156630117
>経験や能力に応じて、当社規定による
Depends on your experience and quality of output.

Let's be honest. Nobody in this thread would ever be skilled enough to pass KyoAni's interview anyways.

Even if they trully don't overwork their people then it's merely because all of them have already busted their balls studying at universities, working as trainees (a.k.a. for free) or getting experience by working 12 hour shifts on other studios. Probably everything at once. And some good ol nepotism on top of that.

>>156630782
Surely there's some frog animator browsing /a/ right now who wants to make some animu in Japon and who'd like to get hired by those anime studios. Then he can tweet about how awesome it is working there while he's trying to subsist on one pack of ramen every two days.

Manga artist here, sorry do not have any more time to post

>>156630990
Get back to work. The manuscript should be finished since last year.

>>156621783
I'm shit at drawing so I guess I'd be going to Shaft either way

>>156630990
See you again next week!

>>156622187
I draw manga and I dont work as hard like this wtf bro

>>156628016
Jiro Dreams of Sushi? I remember people beating their meat to the Cinematography.

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GodAni

>>156632180
It reminded me of the live action parts of EoE

>>156621872
>and it pays like shit.
If you're a Korean slave worker

>>156621783
Shaft. It's less shitty.

We need to start seriously buying anime if they have such surplus of artists.

>>156628183
My schedule did look like this one day

>>156623748
I work 7 on 7 off. That week off fucking sucks.

>>156628242
it's essentially all royalties at a flat 10% of cover price of copies printed. per-page rates range from "less than the cost of your assistant, who you need to shit out 20 pages a week" to "less than the cost of ink and paper".

>>156621783
Both sucks.

>>156628458
They'll probably move the studio and shop from the rented building to this new one.

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>>156623384
why the fuck bother living

just sudoku and roll for a better life next time

>>156624676
>Not enough grease and salt for your complex burger palate?
Ironic considering Japan has the highest salt consumption per person in the world.

>>156621783
Kyoani must be a really competitive workplace though, you'd have to be really talented to be promoted and stand out from your peers. That's why those who cant keep up tend to leave the studio to seek senior positions just like poor Noriko Takao who got butthurt after seeing her underling named Naoko Yamada get the director position before her.

I live like 5 minutes from Madhouse, so that would be ideal.

>>156627370
t. literal wageslave

>>156628183
Needs to have some moments where you wake up during the night. Shitpost for an hour, and go back to sleep.

>>156621942
Hibike Euphonium is set in Uji, a town where KyoAni is located. So area looks pretty much like in the show.

Hard mode: would you rather
1) work at Shaft
2) work at WIT
3) kill yourself

Real answer:

Studio Nut. THE NEW AGE IS UPON US! GHIBLI IS NO MORE! RISE!!!! RISE!!!!

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>>156627370
>Japs are so beta that they will actually defend their shit tier working conditions and shitty collectivist society

>>156625016
German industry employs slave labor of "zeitarbeiters" pretty much excempt from regulations, underpaid and threated as slaves. The main purpose of "regulations" there are is to prevent all companies firing the Germans for hiring the more productive slaves. So unable to do that, they just relocate to Poland and likes.

>>156625197
Anyone in the middleclass in the 1st world should be eating 3 times a day.

>>156650074
Ehh. its kinda opposite - KyoAni has an elder god animator Sensei`s like Kigami and others that mentor the new animators and teach them. And most of good animators in KyoAni eventually go path to episode directors and eventually series directors themselves.

I hope Fujita, Ogawa and Yamamura make direction debuts eventually next.

>>156651569
Fujita is likely to be next to get own show.

http://studiodomo.jp/wordpress/creator-database/haruka-fujita/

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Not only are Kyoani one of the best they seem to be the most generous in the industry.

How the fuck do they do it, All while producing top quality anime with the least animators.

When will Mamada fuck off from kyoani?

>>156651934
by not making 4-6 fucking shows per year

>>156626259
>Not eating fish while it's still alive.

>>156621783
The one that spends their time animating thicc lolis

>>156621783
KyoAni requirements include being actually able to draw though, it's harder to get in.

>>156626749
>>156625363
normalfags

>>156656802
It wasn't that hard now, was it.

>>156621783
SHAFT, I don't care about being worked to death I just want to work for best studio

>>156621783
Naturally I choose Kyoto, the true capital of Nihon.

>>156622058
SHAFT will do two shows in a season, they've done three in a season at least once, I don't think KyoAni ever does more than one unless your talking a movie or web anime or something at the same time as a tv series.

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>be japanese
>live as a neet and waste away
>or become the 18hr/day wageslave
>or try living out in the boonies where the town is dead before you arrive
>or join the yakuza

Surely there's some comfy middleground somewhere.

>>156657297
>Learn Engrish and work overseas

>>156656981
Wait, you mean there are anime studios that don't require drawing skill to be hired?

>>156657297
I don't see how the boonies isn't the comfy option.

>"""""""""""8 hour workday"""""""""""""
does this include (totally not compulsory) unpaid overtime?

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>>156627018

>>156622716
>>156622886
Do we live in the same country? Finding a well paying and not retarded programming job is relatively easy because programmers have started getting a reputation as job hoppers if the job is bad. The only companies that don't have their programmers leave for a better job are ones that have good conditions and even then they'll still leave eventually because you'll most likely make better pay by switching jobs than waiting for a promotion.

>>156621783

DEEN

Are there any other studios besides KyoAni that are based outside of Tokyo?

>>156651405
/fit/ here and I beg to differ

>>156621783
what anime is this

got downloads?

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>All of those people hating on the concept of losing yourself in hard work

It would be easy to just call everyone a NEET but I genuinely remember times when I would share those sentiments without a second thought.

Is this an age thing? Am I getting too old for this place? Ever since I realized what I want to do in my life I've been cursing not the fact that I would need to sacrifice my free time but the fact that no matter how hard I want it, my mind seems to be incapable of actually working on something for 6-12 hours unless it's a menial grind. At least not in the home environment and I don't have any other yet.

I've even considered moving out to the village with almost no access to the internet or distractions just in hopes that it may actually help me train myself.

Being able to lose yourself in something you chose not out of necessity but out of love and work hard and see your creation and be recognized for your hard work (if not by the masses then by your co-workers at least) and all that stuff feels like a true bliss to me.

A lot of people seem to give Japan shit for that and it is perfectly understandable because imposing such a lifestyle on a person by force would turn his life into hell and yet I am infinitely jealous of the fact that their society can teach people such work ethics.

>>156624231
>everyone is polite even if they hate your shit
This is called "hypocricy" and it's considered a sin in most cultures. Why are you putting it in a list of good points?

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>>156621783
Would rather work for the best guys in the industry

>>156662503
I have no idea what you mean
As I grow older I grow more and more bitter about having to work all day when I want the freedom to go take a walk if I want or take a break when I'm tired or do whatever when I want
>Being able to lose yourself in something you chose not out of necessity but out of love
Sure but most people don't get to choose jobs they love

>>156629220
>French salarymen could take every friday of the week off
and spend it burning tires.

>>156662619
Nice background.

>>156621783
kyoani sounds better schedule-wise but id rather work at shaft and help produce output of actual artistic value

i can quit once i get burned out

>>156662716
>Sure but most people don't get to choose jobs they love
Yeah, but that's not really the case in the context of this thread. People don't just become animators and comic artists because they have fallen into it. Those are the jobs people go out of their way to acquire out of passion, not because they have ever been easy to master, comfortable or guaranteed a decent income.

You guys are in fucking lala land. Animator work hours aren`t regulated or measured. They will use you for as many hours as you can stay at the studio.

>>156661708
GoHands and Animation Do(KyoAni's Osaka studio) in Osaka
Liden Films Kyoto
PA Works in Touyama
Ufotable has a Tokushima studio

>>156621872
>you work your ass off and it pays like shit.
Welcome to Japan. Not just an anime industry thing. Might as well be doing something you're passionate about, as it's going to suck regardless.

>>156659195
having been in Japan's rural areas in many times.
Rural areas are mostly poor and not a good place to raise young children.
It is good for retirement, but remember the nearby hospital might be tens of km away

>>156622058
He's talking about paid holiday that you can book off, on top of national holidays

>>156662503
I love the idea of completely dedicating myself to something I love and work obsessively for weeks at a time. What I hate are extractive corporations that simply see their employees as value equations to maximize, which is where hard-working people usually end up.

>>156626676
>implying anybody gives a shit about gundam anymore
>nobody who likes LL cares about sunrise
>STILL NO HORIZON S3
FUCK SUNRISE

>>156662810
>bakemonogatari S67 or bakemonigatari clone #55
>artistic value

>>156665781
From everything I've seen it really looks like Japanese corporations don't involve themselves with creative process nearly as hard as they do in the west. They can demand artists to omit or change things, they dictate how long the series runs but that's small-talk compared to the west where comic books are basically a proxy to promote decades old franchises.

>>156657097
>three shows a season
>flashbacks to 2014
>Hana delay
>Mekakucity looking like shit
>Nisekoi's final episodes looking like shit

never again

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I'd work at shaft but I couldn't handle the smell of curry and indian spices all day

>>156621783
Wow, KyoAni seems like a decent company by human standards.

>>156668241
Why are Indians so ugly?

>>156667572
It's always different from one franchise to another. The ones that the producers believe will actually generate lots of money will have lots of committee decisions heaped upon, like including this and that shit, a cameo by this character that is apparently popular, a role for that voice actor that needs to be promoted, the inclusion of this and that song, and so on.

The most souless anime genre is definitelly the idolshit genre, nothing more than pandering trash brewed in a meeting room full of executives, idolshit shows are the equivalent of Disney superhero movies.

KyoAni so my name isn't on the slideshows of quality that shaft churns out.

>>156668857
Because they poo in the streets and make bad anime

>>156664019
>Rural areas are mostly poor and not a good place to raise young children.
>implying degenerate megapolises like Tokyo are a good place

what the hell
arcadian sanctuary of peace and quiet is better by a mile

>>156621783
>2 hour break but subject to change
So two half hour breaks and an hour for lunch?

That's more genrous than the EWTD which is 30mins per 4hours.

Wouldn't be happy with the 7 day work week unless I was cut into profit share, in which case GET BACK TO WORK, YOU.

>>156662503
Of all the things to idealise, don't choose working. 12 hour days and working through the weekends is just miserable. The only reason anyone would subject themselves to this kind of slavery is for money.

>>156665918
They're giving us CG S3 you damn pleb. Fuck your other shit.

>>156626879
that shaft is long dead unfortunately

What is this thread even? Work? As if you whiny fuckers could work 5 hours without running out of breath.
And as if you have any artistic talent to be even accepted into DEEN. Sage.

>>156666087
He's right though.

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>>156621783
>work for Aniplex in literal sweat shop conditions and die of exhaustion
>work for Yamada and get treated like an actual human being. get hugs for good work
Real tough decision here

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For me, it has to be ComfyAni

>>156622100
Literally better pay and conditions too.

>>156672913
Can you draw? Then you don't get any "good hugs".

>>156622100
Funny enough, even though Kyoani's pay is better compared to the rest of the industry, a job working at McDonalds still has a better salary. So you're right in all sense.

>>156624636
You had to pay really high to be admitted into the school though.

>>156628242
togashi is loaded and married to a millionaire.

>>156629972
>Both ads are offering 40 hours a week
Don't know how you pulled this out of your ass. American education at work I guess.

>>156673235
>a job working at McDonalds still has a better salary.
SOURCE.
You cannot be fucking serious! If that's true, the anime industry shouldn't even exist. Flipping burgers is THE quintessential highschool/college side job. If a professional job pays less than a fucking side job, it has no reason to exist.

>>156622426
This is exactly what Miyazaki was saying.

>>156674341
Normie jobs are bad?

>>156621872
You can draw anime accurate ero doujins.

>>156674308
It's dumb otaku who make shit for their fellow dumb otaku to get paid in money from dumb otaku. It's a small niche subculture that panders and subsists on itself.

>>156675523
Faggots who don't interact with people are prominent in the industry, and it shows.

>>156675729
And Miyazaki is a commie faggot so who cares

>>156677004
Everyone, because Miyazaki's opinion is still worth a lot.

>>156677604
Tell that to the flopping garbage that was Kaguya and the dead Studio Shitbli