Dragon Ball Super

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Other thread is full of Gine-hating assholes.

Let's stay here.

I just caught up to the anime, but the thread had quite literally nothing but shitposts in it. Why even have these threads if that's all that happens. I just want to discuss dragonball, dammit.

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Would people like Dragon Ball Super more, if the animation was good and the writing was higher-quality?

>>156125597
Well of course.

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>>156125597
>Would people like Dragon Ball Super more if it was better?

>>156125470
She's worthless, anon. You better pray meme Saiyan is good.

Where are those 2 faggots arguing about bringing back dr. Gero I was thoroughly entertained

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>>156126151
You're taste is the only thing that's worthless

Is there a raw of the new chapter? Link?

>>156126346
>Be a Saiyan
>Is a womanlet coward only good for cutting up meat REAL Saiyan women killed

Yeah, okay.

>>156125283

You already have short sleeves Goku what the fuck are you pulling them back for

>>156126421
It's an intimidation tactic desu.

>>156125597

The writing is fine

People pretend the old series didn't have the same hiccups Super does

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>>156126346
>posting crops of the same image
now that is some shit-tier shitposting

>>156126395
She's the reason Goni got to Earth and wasn't a dick in the first place. Also probably the reason Raditz cared enough about his family to look for his brother, and partially why Bardock wasn't an asshole.

And she did fight, she just didn't enjoy it. She was part of the BD Crew.

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>>156126462
What do you mean? These are profile pics. Was gonna get an opinion on which one would be best.

>>156126477
And that's awful storytelling better. It was thematically stronger when Goku was originally kicked off of his planet for being a weakling no one wanted and became the greatest Saiyan ever. Not that bullshit about Bardock having a bad feeling and Gine making sure his baby boy went someone else safe. Raditz is more in line of what the original Bardock would slightly respect because he's actually Saiyan-like. And I know she fought. She sucked at it thus making her a useless Saiyan and giving her an unnecessary connection with Goku.

Why are we talking about a noncanon literal who

Talk about the canon version of Broly with tits

>>156126477
>She's the reason Goni got to Earth and wasn't dick in the first place
>and wasn't a dick in the first place
Strange, I could've sworn it was the trauma that fixed that.

>>156126590
Fighting despite moral objections is a lot more admirable than Raditz's cowardice.

And a big theme of DBZ has been family. It started out with Goku revealing his son, meeting his brother, embracing the legacy of him d forefathers, eventually becoming a father once more, and then even a grandfather.

Vegeta even gets his own family, paralleling this. Why shouldn't Goku's special traits of relative innocence and ruthlessness come from his parents? The way they're presented even contrasts with his brother, who got the worst qualities of both instead of the best.

>>156126769
So you'd believe a baby hitting its head in a rock turned it good instead of a positive influence from its parents and guardian at a young age? The head trauma probably just knocked the fight out of him.

>>156126781
Because Goku isn't Vegeta. He had his own special thing. Now it's Generic Backstory 101. That's not better. It's boring. Goku is comfortable in his own skin & is glad to begone of Saiyans. Now, all of a sudden, his parents so happened to be the good ones. That's incredibly shitty. Goku forged his OWN family with Gohan and extended it with Chi-Chi and his sons. He didn't need his Saiyan heritage.

>>156126897
He can be influenced by his parents and still be distanced from them. It's just a case of history repeating itself in a way. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Frieza had some kind of reccomection of Bardock upon seeing Goku. At best, King Vegeta got a few insults. Goku's dad even upstaged Vegeta's. It's just a thematic thing.

Besides, even if it's just "Generic backstory", Goku is still the first true hero of the Saiyans. According to Minus, Gine mainly took issue with the whole baby conqueror thing being dangerous for the kids, and Bardock was still an asshole in the original version of his movie. A Byronic hero at best. Goku's the only one to be straight good until post-Buu-resurrection Vegeta

>>156127090
There's the original Super Saiyan God and his 5 friends who fought to destroy all the evil Saiyans on Planet Vegeta, but that was a long time ago. Not knowing he was a Saiyan probably worked to Goku's advantage

>>156127090
That cheapens his bond with Gohan & friends. His parents had fuckall to do with his upbringing and it never should have went there to beging with. Freeza just remembered his face. He didn't know who the fuck Bardock was because he was a loser he never have the time of day for. His honor in being remembered is that he was first to catch a death ball. At least Vegeta had conversation. There's nothing thematic in tearing down what makes Goku special and sets him apart from the Saiyans. Especially when you make it so the Saiyans weren't "as bad" as we thought. That's a teenaged girl's logic. "They were just misunderstood." Goku is not a hero to the Saiyans. He's their anti-thesis. Even fucking Vegeta was baffled by him until the tail-end of the series. He is NOT supposed to represent Saiyans. He become his own man after being deemed trash. Gine worrying about shit like that when her husband is a mass murderer is even more retarded.

>>156127283
I never said he was a hero TO the saiyans. I said he was the only heroic one of them. He doesn't represent Saiyabs, he proves that they aren't destined to be bloody planet pirates. That they CAN be good. He's an anti-stereotype. A black science man. A white rapper. A Muslim peace activist. His parents just kind of show where that potential comes from, or show that he's not an outlier among Saiyans. Any saiyan is capable of being like him.

>>156127398
He was only tamed because he got hit in the head. All it proved was that the Saiyans were so savage that "Kakarotto" had to die just for the possibility of having a decent Saiyan. That's the type of humor Toriyama used to develop. Now there's no subtlety.

>>156127474
Yes, but that was retconned. Meaning it's not correct. Kakarotto was just being a dick, as babies tend to be in the arms of unfamiliar people.

>>156127682
Which falls back into if one considers Minus, there's nothing outstanding about Goku. He's a special little kid with special little parents and everything Goku builds about himself from learning about Raditz to becoming a Super Saiyan that was nothing like the legend described mean nothing. All along, he was tricked to think a certain way. That's not a good look. Toriyama had something good, decent going on and he squandered it with this retcon and made the world so much smaller.

Would Vegeta ever teach Napa or Raditz how to super saiyan?

>>156127811
His parents weren't that special. A higher-low-class Saiyan and a cafeteria worker are basically middle-class citizens at best. And anything "special" about them wasn't really taken advantage of beyond his anime personality genetics.

You're just finding things to get upset about. Just enjoy the show. It's not your job to "improve" it. You're shortening your life.

>>156127879
I didn't try that hard to notice how shitty Minus is. And I'm not particularly angry either. It just sucks how Toriyama had to grace us with this shit. The very being of the chapter changes the dynamics of Goku and 3 arcs worth of storytelling. I'd say you're just trying to make it okay just because but I didn't go there. And, sorry, no. Toriyama went out of his way to make them special. There was nothing wrong with them being faceless losers & having Goku be the reject. We didn't need to spin Saiyans in a positive light. We had Goku for that. Now any pure Saiyan is just misunderstood if they applied themselves apparently. Marginilizes Vegeta's growth too while I'm on. There's nothing special about being the worst type of amoral Saiyan when anyone can do it.

>>156128042
You know, it's almost like it's a metaphor for people. How they can be good or bad. How good influences can come from anywhere. And how it's easier to start out good if you come from a good place. But even if you've been the baddest, evilest, most prideful son of a bitch, those good influences can help redeem you, too, if you find 'em.

But what do I know, right?

>>156126362
Anyone?

Why are there two threads?

>>156128287
It's almost like the original message was solid & inspirational on its own, too and we had unnecessary padding that didn't enhance the narrative in the slightest, resorting to dramatic schlock.

But I'm just trying to rewrite the show, yeah?

>>156128368
You can see it your way, and I can see it mine. Let's just try to remember that neither are objective facts as long as someone dissagrees.

>>156127474
the blow to the head was just what made him forget his early memories of being from another planet.
Radditz had incorrectly assumed that the reason Goku was on earth was because he was assigned to go there, and thus the head bump must have erased his instructions. This is because he didn't know that Goku was sent there by Bardock.

Nothing about Goku's backstory was changed with minus. Bardock still stood up against Frieza and was killed, Bardock was still a pretty decent fighter (Remember that saiyans didn't have many elites, everyone else was "low class") The only thing that minus "retconned" was how old Goku was when he landed on earth.
Do people thing DBM somehow means Bardock didn't fight back against frieza?

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Reminder that Goku's name is "Gokou"
Beerus is "Beers"
Buu is "Boo"
Mr. Satan real name is "Mark"
17 and 18 names are "Lapis" and "Lazuli"
and nobody knows Turtle Hermit's name, same about his sister

>>156128775
It's "Gokuu/Gokuh". Gokou is an improper rominization and doesn't properly pronounce it properly. Beerus and Beers are the same thing. The u is slurred like in Yamcha and Yamucha. There's no difference. One spelling simply gives you proper enunciation.

>>156128775
I'm going to say ss instead of ssj purely to trigger your ocd.

>>156128894
There's no need to say -jin anyway. Saiyan is fine (not that anon, just the same one who's correcting him).

>>156128894
Even Japan writes it as just SS. The -j is a weeb thing

I want to fuck Gine

>>156128989
The Japanese still say and write Saiya-jin. It's only when they use English that they recognize our language doesn't use suffixes so they adjust their grammar.

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Who /bestboy/ here?

>>156129630
He's cute but otherwise a letdown for shota.

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>>156128894
Anon...

>>156129630
he will train one day...

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>>156131113
Goten fans were warned early in Super to give up on him.

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>>156131204
fuck chichi literally

>>156128364
This newfag insisted on making a new thread before the bump limit even though the other thread was already up from previous limit.

>>156134230
Why? Why are these autists doing this?
>implying it isn't one samefag

Everyone is stronger than Goku.

>>156125470
>>156126346
>>156126537
Fuck off Gog. Go back to Kanzenshuu you literal underage cunt.

>>156125536
/a/ is a bad place for discussion

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>Frieza trains for 4 months and becomes God tier
>"He had so much potential and never trained a day in his life!"

>17 trains for around 13 years and becomes God tier
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Offcial U7 contestants ranking:
1. Kakarotto
2. Lapis
3. Buu
4. Kuririn
5. Lazuli
6 Prince Vegeta
7. KamiNailiccolo
8. Kame sennin sama
9. Tien Shinhan
10. Gohan

Should I catch up on the few episodes I'm behind on DB Super or go get some D
Is the 17 episode really worth it?

>>156136970
I'm Bari.

>>156129913
Does a shota need to be anything beyond cute?

>>156125283
Save it

>>156143873
Wew, thread saved

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>>156126452
>The writing is fine

>>156126452
The old series hyped the power ups much more, which made their bulshit more acceptable. Super drops things like 17's training with throw away lines and doesn't even bother referencing his potential that people talk about in these discussions, just say that he got stronger.

>>156127862
Fuck no, he'd just kill them again because they're shitheads. And there'd be no point, they're both weak shits. Super Saiyan is just a multiplier. If you have a PL of 10 and turn into a Super Saiyan, you now have a PL of 500. Raditz's PL was around 1200 and Nappa's was like 4000. They'd make embarrassingly shit Super Saiyans.

>>156140616
Frieza is a mutant alien from a race we know little about.

17 is a teenager with robot parts.

It's fucking retarded.

>>156140695
Dr. Gero is rolling in his grave.

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>>156126452
the writing is not fine
the voice acting is shit
goku is retarded now
the animation is worse than the original dragonball animation (higher quality but the aesthetic is crap)
the old series did not have these hiccups

>>156145362
The anime is fucking trash, but the voice acting is fine. Unless you're a filthy dubfag and you're referring to the Funi voices

>>156145433
nope, i find goku's voice to be overly exaggerated recently.
In DB and DBZ he was a lot less "dialecty"

>>156145479
>i find it to be shit
>therefore it is factually shit
what a cuck

>>156145060

I think there's some power level requirement to achieve super sayan. They would be as strong as Freeza saga Goku.

>>156145362
Too true, the writing is pretty much at an all time low, the series is consistent in one thing and that's being inconsistent too.

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>>156125536
>I just want to discuss dragonball
You are in the wrong place for that.

>>156126781

And yet they never brought back Raditz while some characters died more than 3 times, or made an special episode with Goku meeting Gine and Bardock like he did with Grandpa Gohan.

>>156145362
The seiyuu are great, shut the fuck up.

>>156145201
>17 is a human modified at cellular levels which was stronger than SSJ and Freezer without training with unlimited stamina which allow him to train more than anyone else

FIFY.

Are you tell me that in 40~ hours, Shin and the other Kai's couldn't find ONE fighter in the rest of the universe stronger than Roshi? Even Krillin and Tien are liabilities.

What about other world people? Surely they have a vested interest of not being erased...Pikkon? Olibu? Cell? Freeza?

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>>156145201
You're the retarded one.

Nothing can beat freezer in term of bullshit, 2 month to be SSB tier.

17 had 13 years to do that with unlimited stamina, he's also modified AT CELLULAR LEVELS.

>>156146431
Dead doesn't count, Freezer is also a piece of shit.

Roshi has a lot of technique and tricks to use in a tournament where you can't be killed.

Roshi has gotten more stronger since, and only a few opponent will be SSB tier.

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>>156132643
Why? So you can end up having another Goku look-a-like that gets ruined by chichi?

>>156146645
No you see what you do is kill the Chichi before she ruins the Goku spawn.

>>156146936
Dragonballs. Dying is like going to disney land. You'd just end up with another pocket Goku/Gohan

>>156147030
Right, well how about giving Piccolo the lil thing? I mean Gohan turned out pretty good under him and Goten and Trunks weren't too bad.

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>>156147082
Wouldn't happen. You're having too much wishful thinking. Even if it did happen, you'd never see the fruits of Piccolo's labor because the series wouldn't extend long enough for Goku jr jr.

>>156145362
The writing is actually good in terms of character-building but the consistency of how characters are portrayed in power is out of whack.
This is not a knock on the writing, as they simply don't strive for it, anymore; you can't criticize for for failing to do something that is not their intention. Someone doesn't fail at making a sandwich because they wanted a bagel.
Voice-acting is not shit, objectively.
Animation in the new arc is good. Hiccupy, but good.

>>156146645
Yes I need more kid gokus

>>156125283
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuMYKls0qUM

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Am i the only one who is glad to see 17 this strong?

He was modified at cellular level, unlimited stamina, great potential as stated by Toriyama, we don't know how he trained but he trained.

It's much more logical than freezer being SSB tier in only 2 month, freezer also proved that whis isn't needed to be SSB tier.

I'm just so glad to see him with a different personnality and to see being relevant.

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>>156147167
>Faulconer babies think synth music that took a few minutes to compose is good.
lol.

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traced ouchie

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Let's play a game: Where's Goku's face?

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Dragon Ball Super: Is the newest arc safe from power scaling? After all Master Roshi is fighting too... We talk to the producer.

> We are entering the TV anime’s new “Universe Survival” arc of Dragon Ball Super, the new Dragon Ball anime inspired by Akira Toriyama’s hugely popular manga. We have seen the series’ hero, Son Goku, take part in many intense battles against tough foes throughout Super so far, but in this new arc, we expect to see even more powerful opponents, assembled from across the many universes to participate in the Tournament of Power. With the stage set on such a magnificent scale, we have fans worrying if the series is safe from “power scaling (literally: power inflation),” after all, there are characters such as Master Roshi and Krillin who cannot hope to keep up with the power levels of these increasingly powerful foes. We asked the anime’s producer at Toei Animation, Hiroyuki Sakurada, a range of questions such as “Is the power scaling going to be ok?,” and “Can Master Roshi really fight in such a stage?”

Cont.

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>>156147976
Akira Toriyama’s Ideas will Surpass the Power Scaling Worry

> Dragon Ball is the name of Akira Toriyama’s famous manga that was serialized in Weekly Shonen Jump (Shueisha) from 1984-95. The anime debuted in 1986, and Dragon Ball Super, a completely original story overlooked by Toriyama himself, began in July 2015. It starts after Goku’s fight with Majin Buu and touches on plot points such as meeting with the God of Destruction, Beerus, fighting a revived Frieza and a showdown with Goku Black.

In the new Universe Survival arc, we see a Tournament of Power, in which warriors representing each universe assemble to battle it out. Each universe must assemble 10 warriors to fight in this tournament, and the losing universes will be eradicated. Sakurada tells us that:

> “Regarding the new grand developments of this upcoming arc, when I asked Mr Toriyama how the series will progress, Toriyama himself proposed this new story. Receiving the bare bones of the story from Toriyama, I fleshed out the story and created what you will be seeing on your screens soon.” He also added that the fact there will be over 100 new characters from each universe was tricky indeed.

Zeno, who stands in a position above each universe’s gods, evaluated each universe, assigned them a rank – the results of which were that Goku’s universe, Universe 7, is second from the bottom. The fact that there are even stronger foes in other universes surprised a lot of fans, and resulted in some voices calling that this power scaling ruins the story.

Cont.

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>>156148087
Sakurada tells us this idea of there always being an even stronger power has been with the Dragon Ball series for a long time.

> “Each time a new arc or series begins, the fans always worry about how it will turn out in the end, but Toriyama always seems to break through this issue. Although the scale of this next arc is on another level, there is no fear of any power scaling issues. After all, worlds that I can’t even imagine will be created in the future, so we will work our way through this power scaling issue.”

Isn’t Master Roshi Pretty Strong?

In the promotional artwork for the Universe Survival arc, we can see the warriors chosen to participate. The expected fighters, Goku, Gohan and Vegeta are here, but many fans are surprised to see Master Roshi among the roster. Although he was once the strongest fighter in the past, he has seen very little action in the recent series. Even in Dragon Ball Super, although he had a fight scene against Frieza’s army, he hasn’t really had much show time this series.

Cont.

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>>156148139
When we ask whether Master Roshi can keep up with this power scaling, Sakurada tells us:

> “Isn’t Master Roshi pretty strong? There are things both he and Krillin can do. In addition to the question of Gohan getting his fighting instincts back, we can look forward to how these characters play their roles in this upcoming arc. It was Toriyama’s idea to assemble these ten characters, and I think it’s quite the interesting lineup. But getting all ten members together who are on that promotional image... Please look forward to it!”

In the Tournament of Power, all 10 members from each time fight at the same time in a battle royal. The universe who has the last remaining fighter, or the most remaining fighters at the end of the time limit, will be the victor. As there is a ban on flying, this battle’s focus will move to a primarily tactical based one. Due to this, there will most likely be a place for Krillin and Master Roshi to shine, even though their power level is lower than Goku’s.

In regard to the Universe Survival arc, Sakurada tells us

> “The series’ popular characters will form a team and participate in a dream match against even more powerful opponents from other universes. We will see who will join the team and how they will play their roles. When Dragon Ball was first serialized it was regarded as the best battle action manga in the world. Even now, there are unique qualities about it, and has a charm that exceeds language, generation and time. I hope I can show this same quality in the new Universe Survival arc. Please look forward to the action and excitement that awaits!” There will be an even more grand story, intense battles in this new arc and we think it’s something to really look forward to. As Goku always says, “I’m pretty excited!”

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> The Team in the promotional art might not be the final team

Switching out Fat Buu for Fit Buu? Or a different character entirely?

>>156148232
I wonder who they are dropping Gohan for.

>>156148232
I don't know how he extrapolated that from that.
But yeah the only change is gonna be fatty for fit buu. And that's not really even a change.

>>156148326
That wasn't his entire exchange. Anons jumped on that like retards before he said it might be promotional fluff not 2 minutes later. This quick information age has us fucked.

>>156145362
>the voice acting is shit
Nah kill yourself. Zamasu alone is better than any VA in the series

>>156148232
Buu out Fem Broly in

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>>156126362
>>156128302
http://wasabisyrup.com/archives/KMk__1Hqhj8

>>156146411
>this makes the writing not shit
Okay.

>>156146473
Look at this retard.

Frieza is a mutated member of an alien race we know jack shit about. Who are you to say his race's physiology combined with his freakish mutant potential wouldn't make it possible for him to skyrocket his power so quickly?

Having the androids so strong never made any fucking sense to begin with. They should have been the first arc. Two teenagers being modified "at cellular levels" (which is just nonsense science jargon to gloss over Toriyama having no clue why the androids are so powerful) being somehow stronger than a galactic space tyrant known and feared throughout the fucking UNIVERSE for his unbelievable power and cruelty AND a being who managed to become even stronger than said galactic space tyrant is just fucking stupid, and you're all fucking stupid for eating it up.

>>156147346
>something has to be complicated and take forever to compose to be good
Found the classical-sucking non-musician.

>>156149818
Well, your argument are shit because 17 isn't comparable to a human.

He has 13 years to be strong as fuck.

>>156149897
>Having the androids so strong never made any fucking sense to begin with

So 17 being SSB tier isn't worse than before.

>>156148177
> “Isn’t Master Roshi pretty strong?

Fuck I wish they'd get some more competent people in charge of Super. These people are morons.

>>156149897
>Frieza is a mutated member of an alien race we know jack shit about

2 month, 2 fucking month to be SSB tier, 2 god damn month.

You're the retarded one for eating this shit up.

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>>156128368
No your just a autistic faggot

Kys

>>156149980
Wasn't it Toriyama's idea?

You want someone more competent to work on DBS than the author himself?

>>156150028
>alien race WE KNOW JACK SHIT ABOUT
Maybe they get stronger every time they fucking throw punches. You don't know.

>>156150236
So he should have been able to beat be stronger than goku in the same god damn fight.

>>156150236
Your logic could applie to 17, we don't know precisely how he was modified beside at cellular levels.

>Producer: I don't care aboit power scaling
DROPPED. What the fuck is wrong with this guy?

>>156150330
Where is your logic coming from?

>>156150411
There is nothing Dr. Gero could have done on a cellular level that would make sense for 17 to be so strong and able to become so strong by...what, ranging parks? Stupid, shit, ridiculous, nonsensical writing.

>>156150607
You don't know how he trained.

The point is that you can't compare him to an normal human, gohan stated himself that they were modified at cellular levels to become SUPER HUMAN.

Which mean much and much beyond regular humans like krillin, maybe compable to saiyan.

Yes, the cyborg were already ridiculously powerful before without training, so 17 being SSB tier isn't that bad compared to before.

Unlimited stamina, great potential, 13 to do that, i would take that beside freezer being SSB tier in 2 month indeed

WHAT IF GOKU HAS JUST BEEN HOLDING BACK TO NOT DISCOURAGE EVERYONE BY SMASHING THEM IN 2 SECONDS?!!?!?!??!!?

GUYS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

>>156150926
That's exactly what's been happening and I can't believe people don't understand that

>>156150534
>Producer: I don't care about power scaling, what matter is a exciting and entertaining story

Thank god!

>>156151085
>fuck consistency and making things make sense, let's just make it le fun
I bet you slurp up shit like Multiverse like it's dick.

>>156150926
Well, for 17, he stated that he didn't intend to use SSB against him.

I'm glad 17 is that powerful.

>>156151127
Multiverse is shit, mostly because they're too much in POWERSCALING

>>156151127
>le fun

Holy fuck you guys really ARE all about the shitpost

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>>156151127
>>156151161
Multiverse is better than Super.

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>>156151127
>Butthurt spics

>>156148177
>“Isn’t Master Roshi pretty strong?
No he isn't. He was weak against Tien and couldn't beat Piccolo and was irrelevant against Piccolo JR.
Really guys don't pretend that including him isn't bullshit.

>>156151275
Roshi was able to fight with freezer soldiers.

He's strong and has a lot of dirty tricks to use.

>>156145362
But I like Supers SOL moments more. It gives way more insight into the characters and their lives rather than just focusing on so much fighting all the time.

>>156151222
>call someone a spic for valuing consistency and cohesive storytelling over pretty graphics
People like you are reason shit like the Walking Dead is popular.

>>156151354
Do someone has the screencap with all the youtube comment from spics getting triggered by 17's power?

>>156151321
And that was already bullshit as it is but we let it slide because nobody cared about them.
>He's strong and has a lot of dirty tricks to use.
No he isn't he was weak as hell against Piccolo and after that he told everybody that he was going to retire from martial artist and that everyone else even Yamcha far exceeded him in power. Also his "dirty tricks" can be easily used by everyone else far more effectively.

>>156151354
>MUH SAIYAN DICK

It thanks to you that we got a shitty chapter this month.

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>choose the humans instead of the thing with saiyan genes and have no problem working with goku

>>156151459
almost 25 years has passed since, seeing his student being this strong may had motivated him we don't know.

Wait for his episode before complaining.

>>156151455
>>156151501
I don't give a fuck about the Saiyans, I give a fuck about consistency and a cohesive narrative. Clearly I'm in the wrong place since all you stupid bleating sheep eat up literal shit as long as it's "fun".

>>156151632
>Expecting consistency and a cohesive narrative in DB

Well, you should reread DB, you may hate it now.

>>156151613
He already stated in DB that he stopped training because everyone else became far more powerful than he ever could and no amount of training is gonna make him SS1 tier. Since you know he already is as old as fuck and doesn't even have the excuse of potential that 17 and Frieza have.
Face it Roshi should not be able to touch anyone in the tournament let alone beat them but the writers are gonna make him do that anyway so at the very least they can admit that it's bullshit and doesn't make sense.
>Wait for his episode before complaining.
I can't wait for Roshi to go buff mode and beat SSJB Goku with kaioken and then have a reveal that Roshi was holding back

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>>156151561
>no problem working with goku

>>156151869
People can change their mind you know.

So just wait, we may know more.

>>156152020
Even if he did he shouldn't be able to be at Ginyu tier let alone SSJB tier.

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Would he still be able to ride the flying nimbus?

>>156152125
I am aware of that.

Who know?

Maybe he can trick some opponent!

If you watch the actual ending of DBS, we see roshi using some techiniques.

It may be useful.

Also, not every universe are full of SSB tier fighter.

>>156152221
>Also, not every universe are full of SSB tier fighter.
Yes but their strongest fighters should at least be above fourht form Frieza tier which Roshi wouldn't be able to reach.
>Maybe he can trick some opponent!
Good luck when everyone is faster than you and beat you without even blinking but they're gonna have him beat someone because Toei is retarded like that.
>It may be useful.
It would be more useful if he taught it to someone else far more stronger than him. That way it will be more effective.

>>156152361
>Yes but their strongest fighters should at least be above fourht form Frieza tier which Roshi wouldn't be able to reach.

Maybe we will have opponent as strong as Roshi

>Good luck when everyone is faster than you and beat you without even blinking but they're gonna have him beat someone because Toei is retarded like that.

Goku was injured by a laser

>It would be more useful if he taught it to someone else far more stronger than him. That way it will be more effective.

He may know a shitton of technique, he can't teach all of them in 2 days.

>>156152493
>Maybe we will have opponent as strong as Roshi
Then I'll laugh at whatever universe that was retarded as U7 to bring in someone so weak.
>Goku was injured by a laser
And that caused a shitstorm and is pretty much one of the most retarded moments in super
>He may know a shitton of technique,
Does he even have any technique other than Mafuba and Kamehama which everyone knows at this point?

>>156152732
>Then I'll laugh at whatever universe that was retarded as U7 to bring in someone so weak.
Maybe not every universe has saiyan or alien like freezer

>And that caused a shitstorm and is pretty much one of the most retarded moments in super
He wasn't careful enough, this is why surprise effect is so effective in DBD, it show that even powerful being can be injured if they're too careless, good for me

>Does he even have any technique other than Mafuba and Kamehama which everyone knows at this point?
We don't know, just wait for his episode, we may know more

>>156152860
>Maybe not every universe has saiyan or alien like freezer
No but they should at least have someone stronger than Frieza especially when they have a bigger mortal rating or whatever than U7.
>it show that even powerful being can be injured if they're too careless, good for me
It was retarded not only has Goku fought since he was a kid so he should know this by now but the thing that he got injured from was a laser. Not Frieza's attack nor something that was as strong as him but a laser that stopped mattering back when Vegeta went Oozaru form.
It was retarded and could've been done better.
>We don't know, just wait for his episode, we may know more
Every new technique till now was just a old technique but 10x so I'm not expecting them giving him anything new.

>>156153235
>No but they should at least have someone stronger than Frieza especially when they have a bigger mortal rating or whatever than U7.

avegera doesn't meant that they a have overpowered beings.

>It was retarded not only has Goku fought since he was a kid so he should know this by now but the thing that he got injured from was a laser. Not Frieza's attack nor something that was as strong as him but a laser that stopped mattering back when Vegeta went Oozaru form.
It was retarded and could've been done better.
It could have been done better but the point is that if you're too careless, you can be injured.

>Every new technique till now was just a old technique but 10x so I'm not expecting them giving him anything new.

Maybe it will be different for roshi, mlet's wait for his episode.

>>156125283
>These are the strongest 10 the universe could come up with
The pride troopers won't even have to try

>>156153367
>It could have been done better but the point is that if you're too careless, you can be injured.
They shouldn't have done it in a retarded way and Goku should've learned that lesson back in DB

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How can U7 be the second-weakest when it's already clearly established that they beat U6?
>Toei in charge of continuity

>>156153568
>this stupidity again
Just fuck off.

>>156152732
>Does he even have any technique other than Mafuba and Kamehama which everyone knows at this point?

There was some hypnosis technique too that sent the opponent to sleep, also some kind of paralyzing beam, but that was broken by Goku going Oozaru, so it seems to have a power limit.

>>156153568
This may have gotten you some replies of people calling you retarded the first few times, but its just old now.

>>156151869
Kuririn talked about training with Roshi for the Androids, and the scene where Roshi refused was anime-only. He retired from fighting, it has never been confirmed that he was rusty or weaker than before.

>>156153667
Everyone in there is way more powerful than SSJ Goku let alone Kid Oozaru Goku. It will be useless as shit
>>156153745
So? He was never shown as being more powerful than before in DBZ.

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>>156153981
I can't feel anything because he's a ningen

>>156153981
That's Trunks' powerup, not a child

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>>156153404
>Vegeta's thoughts and feelings
Subjectivity doesn't trump objectivity. The guy takes the heat for Nappa's actions, doesn't feel his first win counts (or the second) and so on. He even goes on to call Goku the best (despite Goku's shit record even outside their fights).

>disagrees
You see? Vegeta argues against the facts and his maker.

>embarrassed Vegeta instead
By eating dirt? Is this where Gohan gets it from? I even see some Yamcha in Goku. Observe.

>>156153950
>Everyone in there is way more powerful than SSJ Goku let alone Kid Oozaru Goku. It will be useless as shit
Just add a "Shin" to the attack or something and make it work. And that only applies to the paralysis beam/kame school secret technique. The sleep fist still could be used either way.

>So? He was never shown as being more powerful than before in DBZ.
He was never confirmed to be weaker though, so they have creative freedom there. Besides we've already seen him stronger than before in Revival F - using a form in combat that he previously only used to power up his Kamehameha. Also with a DBZ-style aura (in the movie version only though). So, it's pretty well established by this point that he isn't rusty and has actually improved.

>>156125470
gine a shit just like bog and berry's taste haha

>>156153981
I'm disappointed because when Gohan was his age he was doing all sorts of cool shit and was a great character in his own right. Goten and Trunks may as well be the same character, they only get development together

>>156126897
>forged his own family
He was tricked into marriage and then raped. The children resulting from this were soundly ignored (left to the care of a 'demon' he was once rivals with). Doesn't even think of his brother, father or mother. Grandpa Gohan? Didn't even keep the promise to apologize for killing him. Sort of like how he lied to Krillin about beating Vegeta in their rematch (the one Goku ducked for many years until forced into it).

>>156127811
>recognizing Minus
What next? Accepting Super?

>>156149505
translated chapter when?

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>>156150059
How did the Pickle fall so low? How many mergers more would it take to make him relevant?

>>156151217
Not by much right now.

Can someone explain Piccolo's character to me? Like what growth has he had? I know accepting Kami is big, but like I don't get him as a character

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>>156154383
Red Eyed Namek Piccolo when?

>>156151321
>>156151459
>>156151275
Roshi has no business being in this. Even the Chinese vampire is more of a capable fighter in power and technique (for the most part). The fucking mime is better than him. Unless he plans on outliving opponents by way of time passage, he shouldn't even matter against regular Frieza soldiers and their blasters.

>>156151561
>no problem working with Goku
A bit of a stretch, perhaps.

>>156154475
What are you saying?
Roshi was only holding back.
Who do you think taught Goku doing it?

>>156153367
>have to wait until shit comes out to know it is shit

>>156145362
The only voice acting I've had a problem with is Shin's and that's not so much the voice part but the acting part. The rest of them have been perfectly fine so far.

>>156154213
>left to the care of a 'demon' he was once rivals with
Wasn't he, you know, dead during that time? Also why would he think of his brother if the only impression he got of him is that he's a total ass?

>>156154520
>who taught Goku shit techniques
Roshi. A weakling and a failure outclassed by a retarded ghoul manlet with only a single strand of hair on its head. Should have brought Yajirobe if they wanted some laughs (and possible usefulness).

>>156154622
>wasn't he dead
Dead beat, rather. This didn't change nor was it ever really going to. Goku is a terrible father, husband, friend, etc. by series end. It is known.

>why would he
He'll talk about redeeming villains (though it means little to him beyond another fight against someone strong so he can get his jollies off), but not his own family (wouldn't even consider it). I suppose it really just comes down to learning just how pathetic Raditz is as a fighter. No real potential for a good scrap from that one. May as well stay dead where Goku is concerned.

When will we see the wan tan dan?

>>156154751
>Goku is a terrible father, husband, friend, etc. by series end. It is known.
0/10 meme.

>>156154751
Geez man did Goku piss in your cereal or something?

>>156154690
Hey man why are you calling Chiaotzu such mean names?

>>156154801
He did, I couldn't even wish his piss out with the Dragon Balls.

>>156150607
The elite of human technology has been shown to dwarf anything else their universe has to offer.
If Bulma can rival Whis' skills with a time machine, why can't Dr Gero do so in combat prowess?

>>156154205
Gohan was never a good character.

Is the Trunks Saga part of the Frieza arc or Androids arc?

>>156153981
The real question is how do we fix his character (without just going for 'just remove him lel')?

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>>156145319
>we're more likely to get almost nothing on the universes IN the ToP for the remainder of Super beyond some quick shots of their fighters before almost all of them get eliminated either off screen or like complete chumps
You know, this is actually a fair point and definitely possible, which would kinda suck since I want to see as much interaction between the gods as possible. Not getting any Quitela-Beerus shenanigans would be a bit of a bummer, to bring an easy example.

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Is she best girl?

Limit x break Survivor release date when?

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>>156153619
>>156153708
ZAMASU

>>156145060
This makes me wonder, how strong are base Trunks and Goten?

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>>156155597
Also posting v4 anime version

>>156149897
The problem you have is you hold the title of "galactic space tyrant known and feared throughout the fucking UNIVERSE for his unbelievable power and cruelty" as having some sort of quantifiable meaning.

To be fair the galaxy IS pretty weak as we now know. I mean if Frieza and his father didn't exist than Ginyu would be the strongest alien in the universe. It's really not saying much at all.

>>156155199
Give him a personality for one thing

>>156155733
Well you're going to have to be more specific than that.

>>156155773
Give him any type of personality. As it stands now, he's not even a character, he's a faceless husk who exists to be a throwback to kid Goku in early Dragon Ball. Give him some defining traits. Trunks has plenty of those. Does Goten care about fighting to protect innocent people, does he just love fighting strong people, does he have aspirations to be something other than a punch jockey? We got to see kid Trunks calling his future self a faggot for sitting around moping and feeling sorry for himself, Moments like that explore a character. Goten doesn't have that. It must be changed or he'll forever he a tiny Goku clone. And even then, he'll be a Goku clone in appearance only.

>>156156002
I wonder why Toriyama's so scared of letting Goten actually be somebody?

>>156155537
Probably not even strong enough to deal with maybe even Krillin, their Super Saiyan forms definitely can't take on Piccolo or 18. They're only a threat when fused, even then, Gotenks is stupid enough to be tricked in some way and rekt.

>>156155199
End of Z had the right idea with him wanting to not look like Goku, just do that earlier and build around him not wanting to be like or compared to Goku, but his own person. Just don't disregard making him a fighter

>>156155648
This list is pretty awful.

>>156154141
>leddit

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>>156126395
>don't be a prick
>your kid survives thanks to that
Gine did everything right. He changed Bardock into a good loving parent.

Go complain with Toriyama if you hate Minus so much.

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>>156156343
>He changed Bardock into a good loving parent.
>He
Learn some respect, faggot.

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Reminder, this is canon.

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>>156156397
I meant she. I apologize, here's a Gine for the trouble.

>>156156039
I wouldn't say he's scared, I think it's more that he has no desire to flesh out certain characters. He probably feels that Goten would just be Goku 2.0. He could make him not that, but I'm not sure he'd be able to do it.

>>156156343
>he
wewlad

>>156156106
Nah it's quite accurate

>>156156343
Wasn't it that Bardock was not as much of a prick as the average Saiyan either in the first place?

>>156155365
i love her so much

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>>156154781
>meme
It is time to wake up, friend. It was never a joke. AT wrote the case to be as such and freely admits that which supposed fans of Goku deny about the reality that is his interpersonal relationships. Like him. Love him. But do it for who he is. Not who you want him to be. Also, accept him for always losing to Vegeta, won't you?

>>156154838
>why
Why not? Does it matter?

>>156154919
It would certainly be amusing to see him go the way of the being that inspired his creation. Punished for his foolishness. Seal him away for a spell. Might help get his mind right.

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I miss him so much, bros

why was he so perfect?

>Ctrl + F
>Toyo
>0 results until now
I am impressed.

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>>156156617
>perfect?
>lost a ningen

>>156156589
Because Chiaotzu should not be bullied

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>>156156589
>It would certainly be amusing to see him go the way of the being that inspired his creation. Punished for his foolishness. Seal him away for a spell. Might help get his mind right.
What are you even trying to say here?

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>>156156617
>perfect?
That isn't Gine.

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>>156156644
kek

>>156156644
Would Buu be considered ningen? Or is Majin its own special snowflake grouping?

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>>156156843
I don't know. Buu, according to Toriyama, was around since the beginning of time... so no(?)

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>>156156531
Yeah, according to Tori.
Gine just finished the job.
>>156156601
Right here.

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I love Torankusu!

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Goku wanted to eliminate this.

>>156157010
I wonder what Gine was like before Bardock.

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>>156157094
A innocent cute Saiyan.

>>156150744

Apparently the cyborgs far exceed Saiyans in potential.

After 12 years of insane training Vegeta got from ascended SSJ1 to SSJ2.

17 is at least 10 times stronger than that now.

The Saiyans needed special GodKi to reach a higher level.
17 watched animals shit on grass.

Meanwhile his Future version didn't get any boost from fighting Trunks and Gohan for years.

>>156156843
I think in Zamasu's autistic mind, anything or anyone that's not him is a ningen.

>>156157118
Well duh but I mean what was her upbringing like, was she bullied for being so soft, was she taken advantage of?

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>>156157225
Pretty much this.

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>>156157227
>was shebullied for being so soft
Probably. She was on Bardock's team before they got together, and she was pretty useless when it came to killing and all that.

>>156157181
>After 12 years of insane training Vegeta got from ascended SSJ1 to SSJ2.

No, Vegeta never achieved SSJ2 on his own. He needed Babidi to make him into a Majin to push him to transform.

Goddamn.
Why don't they just fucking bring Gero back from the fucking dead.
Even if the team for U7...LOL okay i'm sorry I can't continue with that Even if GOKU can't win this one they'll be so far above everyone else because of Gero's mere existence that they won't be in any trouble of dying.

>>156128894
The jin suffix means person or human. Technically, the only Saiya-jins are the hybrids (Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Pan, Bulla, etc)

Goku, Vegeta, Cabba, etc are simply Saiyans because they are not humans, nor people. They are aliens. Mortals, yes, but not native to earth, removing them from the category of Earthling and the subcategory of Human Being aka Person.

>>156157227
She was probably raped by Bardock after he got frustrated with her uselessness. Then she had to become his wife.

>>156157292
Didn't Bardock constantly have to help her ass because she was always up shit creek without a paddle?

>>156157380
Yeah. He had to save her multiple times.

So we all know Shin is full of shit and can't actually tell how strong people are in relation to one another, but how strong is manga Vegito? He seems to be wrecking Zamasu a fair bit easier than he did in the anime.

>>156157350
Wrong. -jin suffix is used for nationalities and, in DB's case, for races.
Saiyan = Saiyajin
Namekian = Namekuseijin

>>156157348
He could go SS2 without the Majin powerup, he just realized that without getting the Majin powerup his SS2 would still be weaker than Goku's after seeing him kill Yakon.

>>156157181
The futures one didn't trained, they ere only having fun, it's different from 17 who claimed that he trained.

Also, like this anon said >>156154864; why not?

>>156140616
Yeah. These are both fucking retarded. If training was all Frieza needed to do, then he would've did it after namek.

And 17 was one of my favorite characters, but fuck this fanservice shit that's ruining him.

>>156157447

Uuuh >>156157350 is right 人 means person / people, just because it's applied to people for nationalities doesn't mean it suddenly stops meaning "Person / People".

>>156156645
It's okay, Tien. I don't buy AT's bullshit. You're definitely not (supposed to be) weaker than Krillin. I'm sure you're not a total fag. AT just can't remember Launch and doesn't care for romance. With you being irrelevant by and large, it is only natural things ended up like this.

>>156156700
Introspect on Goku's namesake.

>>156156773
>still using Goku's body
>female in a shonen
>useless fucking kai
Good luck against Vegeta.

>>156157181
I suppose his Future self just lowered his power. He wanted to die.

>>156157348
>LOL
Bleh.

>SSJ2
You're speaking English, boy. There is no "jin" in "Saiyan".

>didn't achieve it on his own
He did. Didn't need hand-holding for SSB, either (unlike Goku). Did well to avoid the shameful SS3 (Goku's grand error much like when Trunks couldn't stop pumping up his little muscles).

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>>156157583
>Good luck against Vegeta.

>>156157574
I know, dumbass. I'm taking about the "only hybrids are saiyajin" bullcrap.

>>156157447
Why are you even trying to weeb when you don't even have a grasp of the Japanese language?

>>156157639
Welcome to /a/.

>>156157562
>If training was all Frieza needed to do, then he would've did it after namek.
Not necessarily. From what we know about Frieza's character, he was convinced that the power gap between him and Namek SS Goku was small, and when he came back stronger as a cyborg he would have felt that that alone was enough for him to win. It was essentially the same thing that happened in RoF: He unlocks a new form and becomes stronger, and is impatient to beat Goku with it, so rather than training it and becoming comfortable with it, he immediately heads to Earth.

>>156157562
>17 was one of my favorite

Fucking liar;

This guy was basically dead for years and you talk like if you were one of his fans.

17's power is actually great because now he will have a dedicate fandom.

Not just that, he changed so much.

>>156157638
Ok yeah just read the post you're referring to >>156157350. That post is dumb. My bad. You just made it sound like that 人 only refers to nationality.

But yeah 人 literally refers to anything that can be considered a person like as you mentioned with サイヤ人, ナメック星人, 地球人, 獣人

My Apologies, I didn't even read the post you were referring to.

>>156157464
>He could go SS2 without the Majin powerup, he just realized that without getting the Majin powerup his SS2 would still be weaker than Goku's after seeing him kill Yakon.

The fuck? No he didn't you goddamned buffoon.
Goku never went SSJ2 so he had no fucking way to gauge how powerful his SSJ2 form was. Only that he had more then likely achieved it because of the gohan like spike in power.

Vegeta could NEVER equal that because...
HE NEVER ATTAINED SSJ2!!!
He realized that goku has completely surpassed him and that desperation had drove him to accept the Maijin tatoo.

If we go by your logic it makes vegeta into a prideless petty weak little faggot who doesn't believe in his own strength and was willing to cheat for a short boost in power.

>>156157583
>He did
He did not achieve SSJ2 on his own you cunt. Period.

His entire goddamned rant about not getting stronger despite the fact that he did everything in his power including having a peacful happy life like goku outright SCREAMED that he got the majin stamp to get the needed push to go SSJ2.

>>156157619
As before, Vegeta is the natural hard counter to Goku types. Zammy was a prodigy and still only came up even (2-2). West Kai was shit (and female). She's got no chance. Like Ginyu and Goku himself, that body will lead her down a path of pain. It wouldn't even be surprising for her to find a way to reach Buu and get her ass beat by him again (this time being eaten as a cupcake or something).

>>156157825
Goku briefly showed his SS2 power when he blew up Yakon. Also stop getting so butthurt and throwing around insults every time somebody proves they know more about something than you do. Grow up, you whiny little child.

>If we go by your logic it makes vegeta into a prideless petty weak little faggot who doesn't believe in his own strength and was willing to cheat for a short boost in power.
That's literally exactly what happened, he was that desperate to be better than Goku because he knew Goku was only back for a day and he'd never get this shot again. It really isn't difficult and I can't believe you're so fucking stupid that it has to be explained to you. Don't reply.

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>>156157619
>that sass
Love it

Guys, am i the only one who think that 17 has became, more emotionless?

Compared to 18 who was pretty cold compared to him.

Before, he enjoyed life, wanted fun and shit but now, he has most of the time a pokerface.

Even though he has a family and a cool job, he's pretty cold.

Compared to 18 who became visibly a lovely housewife.

17 seems to be more cyborg-like than 18, even though he's the one protecting endangered species.

>>156157825
Goku used SSJ2 against Yakon

If Vegeta didn't had SSJ2 beforehand he would have been weaker than Gohan and he would never have thought that he had a chance against Dabura

>>156157793
>he hasn't had an arc in years
>that means nobody can possibly like him for the arc he was a part of
Are you retarded? I guess Krillin and Tien don't have fans either.

>>156157793
>17's power is actually great because now he will have a dedicate fandom.

His power is cheap bullshit. He will get no new fans because of this shit because, much like the shit with Trunks, WE DON'T SEE HIM EARN IT OR EVEN FULLY BELIEVE HE SHOULD HAVE THAT POWER.

This is a terrible attempt to sell more DBS merch. Nothing more.

The lazy fucking cunts couldn't even give us a few eps of him doing things to show that he gained power on his own. We just got this piss poor fight with no real goddamned stakes that made the SSJB form look even MORE SHITTY WEAK AND OVERDONE so that they could play up a character that basically no one gave three squirts of piss about for fucking decades. Not even people in the fandom gave a shit about him beyond shipping bullshit.

>>156158002
>He will get no new fans

I know people who enjoyed this episode a lot.

Some of them even said that 17 might become their favorite character.

>>156157974
In contrary to them, 17 was basically dead since years
>But he appear in buu's arc, one case but it's a lot

You're retarded

>>156158002
Believe me or not, there is a lot of people who enjoyed to see 17 a lot, your opinion doesn't represent everyone's opinion.

>>156158002
I believe it.

See >>156154864

>>156154864
Specially when even Bulma recognized Gero has one of the greatest scientist.

Bardock is still the greatest scientist

>>156158105
What's your point? "Hurr he can't have fans because he hasn't had an arc since the Cell arc" Do you know how fucking stupid you sound?

>>156157930
>Goku briefly showed his SS2 power when he blew up Yakon. Also stop getting so butthurt and throwing around insults every time somebody proves they know more about something than you do. Grow up, you whiny little child.
Yes stupid. A brief spike in SSJ2 type power but not a full transformation.
He has no goddamned idea how powerful he is so him using the Majin stamp as a quick boost to his power is bullshit.

>That's literally exactly what happened, he was that desperate to be better than Goku because he knew Goku was only back for a day and he'd never get this shot again. It really isn't difficult and I can't believe you're so fucking stupid that it has to be explained to you. Don't reply.
No, bitch. Vegeta would fucking not depend on some shit like that. Not if it was just a little fucking boost of power.
Vegeta did it so he could go full SSJ2.
HE NEVER GOT SSJ2.
His entire goddamned rant at the end was him being pissed that he couldn't go SSJ2.

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>>156158222
He was unlikeable as fuck in cell's arc.

Even in the present time, he was a douchebag.

Now he's likeable and relevant.

U7 needed at least one more god tier fighter, not just Goku and Vegeta.

>>156157964
That was his pride talking.

>>156158253
>A brief spike in SSJ2 type power
So he went SS2. Good, I'm glad you've admitted that you're wrong. I accept your concession.

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>>156158271
DRAGON BALL GT
IT'S FOR YOU AND ME

>>156158277
>he's unlikable so no one is actually a 17 fan
>I decide who should have fans and who shouldn't
Stop posting.

So who's Yurin and why is she at Tien's Dojo?

>>156158349
>So he went SS2.
That's not how it works you cunt.

>>156158376
>I have shit taste
Okay.

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>>156157225
>>156157265

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>>156158489

>>156158403
That's exactly how it works and that's exactly how it went, now get over it. I know better than you. I'm sorry if that makes you butthurt. It will happen more and more in life, particularly because you're so stupid and childish.

>>156158454
>you like what I don't like
>means you have shit taste
Grow up.

>Vegeta never achieved SS2 on his own

I love when people is stupid. Don't you like when

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>>156157036

>>156158588
It's just one brain-dead 14-year-old who can only make stupid claims and spew insults even when people respond to him civilly. Just ignore him.

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>>156158588
>I love when people is stupid.

What will be the thread long argument be next thread?

>>156157825
>still talking about 'Saiya-people'
>improper capitalization and punctuation
Then there's the CAPS and excitability. Poor form, really.

>couldn't go SS2 without Majin
Not unlike the infamous 'power nap' talk, this is nonsense. Exactly how do you figure you learn a transformation from a power boost, boy? Goku's power as a SS2 is what troubled Vegeta in the showing with Yakon. You choose to see it as him finding it troubling as he had not achieved it, when he was counting on Goku not having done so.

The first canon sparks from SS2 Vegeta shows is just resisting Babidi (not during his turning). It is never implied in any way he set Babidi up to score himself this higher state (just needed a quick boost). You should already know he would be complaining vocally about how Gohan and Goku both had it if he didn't. Goku even got it (it was just about a little strength).

NOTE: Allowing for a case where Babidi gifts SS2 (x2), SKW's passive Oozaru (x10) trumps that easily (even before getting into this 'god' business later on).

>>156157887
>period
Would you like a cranberry juice to go with yours?

NOTE: You don't seem to understand the series very well. Consider reading the manga. Be sure to pay close attention to each time Vegeta slaps Goku's shit. Don't go on being an anime-only.

>>156158716
Does this thread have a single thread long argument? Seems to me more like a bunch of smaller arguments strung together.

>>156157350
retard

I'm not following Super, but what are the earhlings up to nowadays? Did my niggas Krillin Tien and Yamcha get some time to shine or are they still the jobbers they became in the last part of Z?

>>156158914
Krillin is on par with SSB Goku

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>>156148139
>there is no fear of any power scaling issues

>>156158914
Krillin just made Gohan job, knocked him out of the ring in a mock 1v1 battle, then proceeded to hold his own against SSB Goku, which caused a shitstorm and the meme "I was holding back" to begin.

Tenshinhan yet to do anything and is due to appear next week with Master Roshi, not this week; Yamcha cucked out of doing anything from the get go.

>>156157930
>thought he only had that one day
Correct. Seeing the proof that Goku's SS2 was stronger than his, he needed to do what it took to close the gap Other World had made between them despite training harder than Goku all that time. It wasn't a huge gap, but it was enough to create problem (and Vegeta is the type to not even be that happy that he simply keeps winning if he wasn't also stronger).

>>156157964
>doesn't finish sentences
More to add, then?

>didn't had
Your tense is all wrong.

>would be weaker
Do you realize this 'tier' business really isn't a thing? Some of you lot say silly shit about 'SS3 tier' and such, but it is just a modifier going by the old 'official' understanding (with no canon explanation of how things work even with SS1, mind you).

>chance against Dabura
Gohan wasn't even (using) SS2 when slapping that tool around. Review the manga, sport. Even were it as you wrongly claim, Vegeta's higher base would see him through against this weakling Dabura just fine (so long as he minded the spit, which was the only thing of concern).

>>156158002
>CAPS
Calm yourself, child.

>>156158253
>is bullshit
It is stated plainly during a brief bit of talking as they fought, fool.

>would not
Clearly he would, as AT wrote him doing that in canon. As before, Vegeta is difficult to please. He beat Goku in their first fight, but wasn't happy about how he won. Being 'stronger' seems to mean more to him than just winning (which he would as the better fighter even if Goku had a slight power advantage).

>his rant was about SS2
What on Earth are you mumbling about?

>>156158349
How generous, you are.

>>156158948
how

and if that's so, does that make Tien literally god?

>>156147976
>>156148087
>>156148139
>>156148177
Apparently even the nips are piss off with the power levels. Otherwise they wouldn't be making these damage control interviews

>>156149505
How come nobody commented on the smugness or good parts of this chapter? It was nonstop shitposting about how it's the worst chapter ever, but it doesn't look bad at all

>>156158969
Cool, i might take time to watch Super then. Earthlings not being relevant is the only thing that holds Z from absolute masterpiece tier

>>156159001
Krillin is stronger than Tien.

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>>156158539
He just needs to read the source material. His reliance on shit dubs from secondary material (or worse) while talking with retards hasn't helped. Clearly.

>>156158620
He can believe what he likes so long as he doesn't forget the score.

>>156159052
This is true, in most scans and leaks, Krillin is labelled as being "The strongest human".

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>>156159026
There's always a lot of shitposting when a new chapter comes out.

>>156155648
Why is Vegetto so weak in the anime version? His and Merged Zamasu's power is said to be unfathomable in the anime.

>>156148232
It's just Fit Buu for Fat Buu. At best Yamcha could join as a joke but I doubt it for the Battle Royale format. Bringing Goten and Trunks would make too much sense for Toei and there's the problem of the PTAs fucking up too much these days. We can't have child abuse like in the good old days.

>>156148316
Gohan's place on the tournament is safe but it's almost confirmed he lost his place as the third guy of this arc. 17 took it away from him. Gohan will job as usual.

>>156157825
You're an idiot and has no idea what he's talking about

YOU INHERITED THE BLOOD OF SAIYA PEOPLE

>>156158002

Trunks actually deserved a powerup for all the shit he has suffered, thats why there were fans who didnt mind his Genkidama mode.

17 is a different case because he was never that popular, there are only fans who want 17 to get better treatment than what he got in GT.

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So what will Toyo do to have Trunks save the day next month? Goku and Vegeta are down, no senzus are left, only Trunks is standing

Will he
>A) Asspull a power up out of nowhere
>B) Somehow stall until fusion ends
>C) Find Goku's button and press it to call Zeno
>D)Do nothing. Goku presses the button on his own, they flee

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>People not understanding how power levels work

>people forgetting the entire concept of being able to lower one's power level at will, something REPEATEDLY stated CONSTANTLY in both the Saiyan saga and the Frieza saga of Dragon Ball Z

>people completely ignoring the decent quality animation and /comfy/ visuals of the episode

The amount of subhumans in the Dragon Ball community is genuinely SCARY and is depressing me to no end.

>Buu trains for a few hours
>already as powerful as gohanbuu was

Dear lord, what could Buu become with 5 months of training like Frieza, or the decade of training 17 did?

>>156159636
There was only one senzu left, iirc.

>>156159770
Vegetto ate that senzu

>>156159570
17 fan here. He didn't really do a whole lot in Z. He had a cool fight with Piccolo and that was it.

I'm also glad they've bumped his power level to be a big player in the tournament.

>>156159790
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

>>156159570
Probably some moron on Toei saw the ratings and the merchandise from the Zamasu arc and thought that those numbers were surely because they brough back some old bishie character and gave him a power up so that mean the Survival Tournament arc needs more nostalgia and to be centered on another old bishie character and then they remembered 17 was alive. They scrapped the idea of Gohan retaking his position as the third strongest guy and center the publicity on 17.

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>>156159881
Fucking Gohanfags.

>>156155537
Yo! Son Goku and Friends Return suggested that they were Frieza-tier by saying Abo and Cado would be a good villain for them

>>156159790
Why did he eat it? He looked fine after the fusion

>>156159969
At least Gohan got building up since the end of the Zamasu arc, better than 17 being as strong as ssjb for no reason. Besides, what happen with 17 and 18 fighting together? 18 is too weak compared to 17 now, like a worm or something. It'd make sense if both have a similar powerlevel and make combos to compensate their weakness. Unless 18 is ssjb-tier too. I don't know what to expect anymore.

>>156159881
To be fair, for some reason Toriyama had laid out a bunch of new information about 17 recently, like the stuff about his family or about the Androids actually being mostly genetically modified with the mechanical parts being irrelevant for their power (the anime had established their mechanical parts were microscopic and that they were genetically modified, but the stuff about them being able to get stronger and how their power didn't rely on the mechanical parts came from these recent interviews).

>>156160110
Yeah, she shot a full powered beam that cut off Zamasu's left side. Guess we gotta wait until a translation. I'm guessing it has something to do with going Blue.
Still think it made Vegetto look like a moron to not use the SSG to SSB trick, but I guess it wouldn't have mattered with the Kamehameha

>>156159881
Nips are obviously more interested in Trunks and 17 than Gohan, and that's completely understandable.

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>>156159636
>D) Do nothing
Not happening.
Also I'll be OK with whatever asspull he gets to save the day. My only problem with the anime was that he got TWO asspulls. He obtains his own special snowflake form and he still loosing to Black and Zamasu, he only does relevant shit after a second aspull, which makes the first one a total unnecessary crap.
Oh I also need an explanation for the asspull. Trunks gets an asspull, saves the day and you know how he did it, that's all I need.

>>156160338
I agree with Trunks but 17 seems like Toei trying to recreate the success of Trunks's return

>>156152208
He shouldn't

>>156160563
or maybe more ideas of the past rehashed like making 17 strong again but without needing a merger

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You guys know how we could avoid all this arguments over powerlevels in the current arc?
You wanna know how?
It is actually pretty simple. What if, and I SHIT YOU FUCKING NOT, what if they would take everybody from their team and give them, oh boy I'm FUCKING SAIYAN IT, a nice time WITH WHIS IN THE FUCKING HYPERBOLIC TIME CHAMBER SO WE CAN BELIEVE THEY ARE THAT STRONG BECAUSE OF GOD TRAINING? WHY IS IT SO HARD TO DO THIS, TOEI? FUCKING WHY? EVEN PICCOLO, YAMCHA AND OTHERS TRAINED WITH KING KAI BEFORE, WHY THEY CAN'T FUCKING TRAIN WITH WHIS IN THE CHAMBER?
FUCK THIS GARBAGE YOURE PUTTING IN YOUR MOUTHS.
O MY RUBBER NEN, LET MY ENEMIES HOLD BACK FOR ME AND LET ME DELIVER EMOTIONAL DAMAGE. REEEE