Why haven't you watched the most influential anime since

I don't watch shit anime.

I don't watch good anime.

>>155820437
But OP wasn't talking about Evangelion.

Which anime specifically did it influence?

>>155820391
It's a 7/10 at BEST.

Fucking deal with it.

>>155820547
yuki yuna

>Not knowing that Madoka surpassed what Evangelion did with ease.

>>155820547
I dunno. Yuki Yuna?

>>155820507
You're right, the OP pic isn't Eva, it's madoka shit.

File: 1476689439440.jpg (2MB, 5000x3374px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 5000x3374px

I've already watched K-On many times.

>>155820730
>Ritsu with hair down
uh, no.

>>155820547
Raising Project, for sure.

>>155820716
Madoka is pretty much an all around better anime than Eva. I hate to break it to you.

>>155820779
>Ritsu with hairband
uh, boring

File: 1409346942478.jpg (29KB, 279x304px) Image search: [Google]

29KB, 279x304px

>>155820862
Where is the empirical proof?

>>155820391
Alien 9 influenced Madoka, therefore Alien 9 influenced everything Madoka influenced and more.

>>155820391
Already seen Oreimo though.

Madoka caused a big rift in the anime industry not seen since Eva and it even effected /a/. Remember all the threads when Rem got dumped? Imagine that but every day.

>>155820862
>>>/trash/

>>155820391
Madoka is overrated grimdark trash at best, pseudo intellectual garbage at worst.

>>155820391
Watched it for the first time a few months ago and it was pretty good, but not great

>>155821048
When people say it's overrated that's when you know it's going to be good.

>>155820956
Life is all about perspective. You see anime girl with a hairband, I see anime girl with a forehead. The cutest forehead that would feel as smooth as a bowling ball as I push her hair back and lean in to tell her that despite everything, my love for her persists. No homo though

>>155820862
>My anime > shit
And I should be impressed because?

File: IMG_7199.png (777KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

777KB, 1280x720px

Reminder that episode ten of Madoka is considered to be one of if not the greatest single anime episode of all time.

>>155820391
Except it is already declining.
Magireco will be a flop. Eva is still going strong.

>>155821129
Madonna actually was overrated though. Not half the show Eva was.
It had an interesting early twist and a nice flashy ending but the majority of the show was the same note over and over.

>>155821414
Name three other series besides Madoka that are at least five years old and get daily threads.

>>155821456
You have no clue what you're talking about. Evangelion was a simple anime compared to Madoka. Any sort of symbolic meaning in Eva is all for show where as Madoka is filled with all kinds of hidden meaning and lore.

>>155821577
JJBA
Fate
SNK
HxH

I like Eva but I'm not going to sit here and try convincing myself it was better than Madoka.

>>155821682
Out of those how many of them are still getting new content made?

>>155821747
All of them if you don't count HiatusxHiatus being on Hiatus forever as no new content.

>>155821456
>phoneposter
Glad to know we can ignore your opinions now.

>>155820547
That magical girl show with the boy being turned into a girl and died by a car after being beat up.

>>155821789
So if they're getting new content then it's pretty obvious people will still be talking about them. What has Madoka had?

>>155820862
That's not much of an accomplishment.

>>155821577
You can say ten years at this point.

>>155821129
"overrated" on /a/ is code for "reddit likes it"

>>155821577
Mental illness containment threads shouldn't count.

>>155820391
>madoka
>influential

Even trash like sao was more influential

File: 1474509866438.png (727KB, 707x1000px) Image search: [Google]

727KB, 707x1000px

>everything popular must be either masterpiece of writing or overrated garbage.
It was quite simple, but pretty and that's about it.
Anyways I'd rather see daily threads about this than evashit.

File: 1466736778044.jpg (48KB, 550x800px) Image search: [Google]

48KB, 550x800px

>>155820391
Madoka is Hegel to Eva's Nietzsche. They actually complement each other really well

>>155822693
It's kind of like the opposites attract thing.

Good = Madoka
Shit = Eva

>>155820391

I don't know if I would call Madoka "influential" it's certainly great and anyone who denies that is a bit delusional. I miss when people who watched anime didn't have these hipster princess complexes. It's a great series.

File: uff.jpg (25KB, 280x205px) Image search: [Google]

25KB, 280x205px

>>155820391
>expect cute girls fight monsters and shit
>its actually some cartoonish fuckery
>yuri yandere

>>155820391

Seen it. I still think it's overrated hot garbage.

>>155820547
Yuki Yuna
Wixosss
Ikusei Keikaku
And probably others.

It's still a bad anime.

>>155824263
right, everyone uses it as inspiration because it is so terrible

>>155821894
Just manga.

>>155820593
>>155820677
I thought we were talking about Madoka, not Soukyuu no Fafner.

Madoka is just a poor man's Utena.
Everything it tried to do, Utena did it better 20 years ago.
It's a 4/10 at best. Only someone completely new to anime could be impressed.

>>155824619
This is some bait if I've ever seen it.

>>155821577
Fate
K-On
Yuru Yuri
Saki
Haruhi
Index

Your move now.

>>155824643
No, it's reality.
The fact that Madotards keep bringing up Evangelion instead of Utena just shows what kind of cancerous newshits with no knowledge of the medium they are.

>>155824619
>everyone gets fucked by a curry stained dick: the series
>good

>>155820391
>influential
I never got that part. Sure it was famous when it first aired, thanks to cheap shock factor, but it inspired under 10 anime. Every time someone tries to list all of the madoka inspired shows, they can only name 5-6 shows.

>>155824685
>fate
Still gets new content

>K-on
Not everyday threads

>Yuri Yuri
>Saki
Not even half as popular or profitable

>Haruhi
Not discussed every day or even every other day

>Index
New content is still being made

It's just Eva and Madoka

SAO is more influential than Madoka will ever be.

>>155824619
Name three things in common with the two shows, with the obvious exception of both being about magical girls.

>>155824801
It's still relatively new compared to Eva. It doesn't have the years Eva has behind it's belt and it already had that many. That's actually an accomplishment and that's still not the complete list of anime it's inspired.

Fun fact: Madoka also had budget problems

>>155824825
>at least five years old and get daily threads
Why are you moving the goalpost? Lurk /a/ more if you think the frequency of Keion and Haruhi are less than Madoka. Both of those series are also more influential and game changing than Madoka.

>>155824825
That's silly because both Eva and Madoka get new content.

>>155824864
>Both of those series are also more influential and game changing than Madoka.

No. In the amount of time Madoka has had its already surpassed them and the wave it caused in the anime industry while airing is the biggest yet out of any anime ever created especially following episode ten.

>>155824872
>little spinoff series counting as new content that half the time doesn't even feature the main cast

Compare that to Index like you argued for example where the main story is still being continued to this day.

>>155824849
The amount of Isekai shit spawned after SAO is insane.

>>155824861
Both are about childish hopes and dreams being crushed by reality.
Both use fairy tales elements such as Witches as metaphors.
Both are about selfishness and selflessness
Both end with the MC sacrificing herself
In both the memory of the MC fades after the end

>>155824937
There's the rebuilds and new Madoka projects and you can say the same for Fate since most of the new content are spinoffs.

Name 3 (three) shows that Madoka influenced and the specific aspect of them that demonstrates said influence.

>>155824864
Haruhi might have a slight advantage in march sales but it's got a huge lead on Madoka for how minuscule that is. When the new movie or series is made that will be a thing of the past and maybe even before that.

>>155824976
The Eva and Madoja movies were a while ago. The main story to index is literally still being made. It's not an accomplishment that people are still discussing a series that is currently being made.

>>155824907
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Five years after Haruhi and K-On the market was already flooded with LN adaptions/school club SoLs and CGDCTs respectively.
Madoka's influence is laughable.

>>155825041
Eva 4.44 is being made.
The continuation of Madoka is also currently being made.

>>155825046
>thinking that highschool anime wasn't a thing of it's own

You've got to be a bigger idiot than I thought if you actually think every school anime made after Haruhi is influenced by it.

>>155825080
Yea but nobody is talking about that yet now are they? Everybody is still discussing the shit that happened in the original series years after the fact because that's what good anime do.

>>155824907
What is Madoka "wave" you are talking about?
Haruhi
>one of the few early LNshit success
>yamakan became a household name, saving anime meme, founded USP (trigger, ordet, sanzigen etc)
>open the floodgate of LNshit (check pre haruhi and post haruhi on the number of LN adaptation)

Keion
>so polarizing that "moeshit" got coined
>get blamed for starting 4girls club trend
>launched yamada career, went on to make TLS and KNK

Now look Shinbo career post Madoka?

>>155820391
but I already watched ryuki, anon

>>155825136
The amount of goal shifting in this is awful to the point where you've been proven wrong so many times the criteria you set out is completely different from what you started with.

You just said it's not an accomplishment that people are still discussing a series that is currently being made.
People will obviously talk about events that happened beforehand because they don't have content to discuss about the future. F/SN's story, things that happen before NT, etc, etc are all things that are still discussed about.

Is it really this hard to admit you're wrong?

>>155820391
Yeah, no. That title goes to Haruhi, considering it started the trend of LN adaptations. Madoka was all too specific to influence anything at all.

>Madoka is the most influential anime since Evangelion!
>What anime did it specifically influence?
>Yuuki Yuuna.
Hilarious. Sword Art Online was probably more influential than Madoka.

>>155825266
All you have to do is compare what came before and what came after.

Have there even been 7 series that tried to be the next Madoka?

/a/ saw it when it aired, OP. Why do you think otherwise? Are you stupid?

>>155825202
I honestly don't even know what you're trying to argue anymore. I don't think I'm wrong I just don't understand what your argument is?

>>155825167
>career

Now you're just changing the argument and Urobuchi who wrote Madoka is very successful.

>>155825202
>People will obviously talk about events that happened beforehand because they don't have content to discuss about the future

Or they just won't discuss the series at all for months on end like many older anime. You can't compare FSN to Madoka and Eva in terms of that because FSN is getting new series made every god damn month so it hasent really had a long period with no new content to see if people will still discuss it and sale with Index.

>>155825440
Same with Index*

>>155825378
Ok lets ignore the director.
I am still waiting for the so called Madoka "wave" you are talking about. What did it helped to influence?

>>155825456
The Index fanbase can't discuss their series at all without new content. Anytime something new isn't being shoved down their throats the threads are completely dead.

>>155825470
Can't you just read the thread? A bunch of anime has already been posted and were you even alive around the time Madoka was airing? It was literally everywhere that had to do with anime and everybody was talking about it.

>>155825549
It's still everywhere. Go to any anime event and there's Madoka shit everywhere.

>>155822947
>>155822693
>hegel
>liking pretentious convoluted shit

>not picking the superior kant.

>>155825330
Listen I get that discussions tend to get off track but all I've been doing is literally pointing out factual things that just aren't true with your posts. If there's any confusion feel free to list them.
>>155825440
I don't believe people will not discuss a series if new content is coming. And while I can get your point with Eva, Madoka is a very recent franchise that's getting new content all the time also.

>>155825549
So just yuki yuna and mahoiku

Damm sure is more influential than haruhi and keion. Even shit like SAO and those isekai garbage have more influence than madoka. Madoka is just a fad.

>>155825580
>Madoka
>getting new content
Wew

Also it's already ten years old.

File: 25652-004-D6933228.jpg (44KB, 319x300px) Image search: [Google]

44KB, 319x300px

>>155825614
Wow holy shit Madoka's 10 years old
>tfw 2017 was 20 years ago

>>155825607
You don't realize how long ago Madoka was made do you?

File: s010.jpg (89KB, 869x1087px) Image search: [Google]

89KB, 869x1087px

>>155820391
Watched it, didn't expect a lot, still disapointed
the plot and characters are very weak, there's nothing interesting about anything that happens
the movie is ok but the anime is very mediocre

>>155825676
>I hate something that's popular

So you're telling us you're an average /a/non?

>>155825614
it came out in 2011,and you are a retard. you are a clear shill shit like cowboy bebop,and trigun,and lupin are more influential then madokrap

>>155825705
I don't hate it and I don't care if It's popular or not, i'm just telling my honest opinion on it
not everyone shapes his tastes according to what is popular or not
undertale is a great videogame

>>155825711
Nobody gives two fucks about any of the anime you mentioned. They were slightly more popular in America but other than that and hipsters who pretend it's there favorite anime because of the shitty music nobody cares.

99% of he Bebop fans who claim it has the best soundtrack of all time are hipster fucks and don't really even listen to Jazz.

File: Anno.jpg (24KB, 275x270px) Image search: [Google]

24KB, 275x270px

Reminder that Anno loved Madoka and his waifu is Homuhomu

>>155825771
Their*

File: 269603.jpg (2MB, 4536x3180px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 4536x3180px

>>155820391

But I have watched TTGL, OP.

>>155825725
That's not your honest opinion though. I guarantee you loved it.

If there was some genie that could somehow make this bet work I'd bet 5k that nobody in this entire thread enjoyed Bebop more than they enjoyed Madoka assuming they watched both all the way through.

>>155825668
Haruhi - 2006
Keion - 2009
Madoka - 2011

Both Haruhi and Keion has lasting impact in just 6years. What is Madoka legacy? A so-so movie and a mobage that will most likely flop.

File: sailormoon-artbook-3-59.jpg (863KB, 2486x1740px) Image search: [Google]

863KB, 2486x1740px

Posting superior magical girl anime that deconstructed the genre better than madoka did
also with superior yurishit too

>>155825899

You'd lose that 5.

>>155825922
Madoka has already had a lasting impact? What are you even trying to argue anon. It was considered an instant classic.

>>155825953
what did people like about madoka ?

>>155825931
>they mainly all straight
>only gay pair are degenerate sluts who are in no way faithful to each other
How exactly is it superior?

>>155825953
I thought we were discussing lasting impact and influence to the industry.

>>155825939
I guarantee I'd win that bet because

1: you haven't seen Madoka all the way through or at all

2: you're pretending you hate Madoka because that's the cool thing to do


As a kid I'd always turn bebop off and go to bed after Inuyasha. Yea, that's how Much I disliked it and only got around to watching it later and still found it to be stylish but very average.

From a reviewers standpoint and no favoritism Madoka would blow it away.

>>155826039
If another Haruhi and Madoka season started airing tomorrow Madoka is bringing in the bigger numbers. That's just how it is. Most people in the real world don't care about Haruhi anymore.

Shaft > Kyoto

>>155826040

No doubt you've concocted this assumed certainty because you feel bad that a lot of anons are talking shit about something that you love very much. I empathize.

1. I watched it when it was airing (all the way through; although I didn't watch the movies, so you could take me there if you want).

2. I don't hate Madoka. Per your bet, I merely enjoyed Bebop a fair bit more. But I do recognize that Madoka is distinctly artful, and tightly executed.

I won't speak for any reviewers.

>>155825975
>all straight
2 gay couple, + usagi is def bi, so half of them aren't straight
>no way faithful to each other
kill yourself my man, haruka flirts with a lot of characters, but she shares her preys with her wife, if that's not faithful love, I don't know what is

>>155826193
Yeah, you're delusional and a degenerate.
You're damn right you don't know what faithful love is.

>>155826164
I realize it's cool to say you enjoyed Bebop and who knows maybe you actually did a little bit but you're really going to sit here and tell me you had a better time watching Bebop over Madoka? Like if you think back to watching both of them and the emotions they made you feel in that moment your going to tell me Bebop is what got you? I honestly can't believe it anon. It just doesn't make sense to me.

>>155826227
Not him but madoka made me feel nothing, the characters are empty and bland, i didn't give a single fuck about any character

>>155826253
I can tell by the way you said that you're just trying to act cool. I can say that about any show.

>>155826227

>I honestly can't believe it anon. It just doesn't make sense to me.
We all have things that we feel this way about, so again, I empathize.

It's not even that I don't appreciate the emotional arc of the show. The central reason I don't have an abiding fondness for it is because I've never been interested in Mahou Shoujo. And since much of Madoka's appeal derives from Urobuchi's understanding and subversion of the genre, that's a big strike against it.

>>155826322
>>155825815
>you aren't allowed to dislike something I like, you're just pretending to dislike it because it's popular

>>155826336
>I've never been interested in Mahou Shoujo
You literally don't have to be to enjoy Madoka.

>since much of Madoka's appeal derives from Urobuchi's understanding and subversion of the genre, that's a big strike against it

No it's actually not. It's actually a good thing.

>>155826394
Because you are. I don't believe for one second any anime fan could hate Madoka.

>>155826455
>Because you are. I don't believe for one second any anime fan could hate Madoka.
I seriously hope that's some sort of ironic statement or a bait

Madoka's a masterpiece of a series, but let's be honest here, it's not that influential outside of its genre.

>>155820391
i have. it was ok. solid 7/10

>>155826480
Well it's not and like I said before if we had magic that could make this bet work I'd bet money against it and I'd win. You did enjoy Madoka.

Tell me what you hated about it. I'd love to knowZ

>>155826455

>No it's actually not. It's actually a good thing.
I meant it's a strike against it for me personally, because I'm not interested in MS.

>You literally don't have to be to enjoy Madoka.
Sure, for many people that's true. Not in my case.

Anyway anon I'm going to go to sleep but I just want you to know that I respect that you love Madoka, and I know many other people feel the same way. Be well.

CCS blows Madoka out of the fucking water, it's not even funny.

>>155826559
You talk all this smack but I guarantee you enjoyed it.

>>155826601
wew

>>155826559
So in other words you are a retarded shonen fightehpowa u8-cun who feels insecure watching little girls with strong powers recking your ass.

>>155826539
It's just mediocre. The characters don't feel real, don't act like humans, they feel like puppets, so the drama doesn't work.
The plot has all kind of foreshadowing elements but they're not subtle in any way, so it gives away all kind of events that happens later in the story.
And even if it's relatively short, nothing really happens, most scenes are the characters talking about the previous events that happened in the story. In fact, the whole anime is just :
> some event happens >kyubei explains what happened and explains some rules about the contract / magical girl stuff > characters react to it > repeat ad infinitum
the pacing is terrible
it has a lot of strong qualities, but it just didn't get the basic stuff right, like proper storytelling

File: 1491115776057.png (114KB, 258x258px) Image search: [Google]

114KB, 258x258px

>>155826618

I did. I never denied that. See >>155826164.

And while I think it's funny you put it that way, I don't know how you interpret my posts as smack-talk. Now see >>155826674 is smack.

>>155826674
You took the words right out of my mouth:

>>155826720
I don't get how you'd even know any of that if you hated the show.

>>155826781
you got me

>>155826704
Why do you do this. It makes no sense.
You're not welcome here. No one enjoys you ruining threads.

>>155826704
If you're delusional.

>haven't
Literally everyone on this board has seen this crap

So what is supposed to be so amazing about this anime ? Everybody claims that it is the best thing ever but nobody bothers to explain why

>>155820391
is it bad that I only read the porn that comes out of this?

>>155827584
It's twelve episodes! There's literally no reason not to watch it.

>>155827770
It's the only good thing that comes out of it, since everything else is just trash

>>155825676
>that comic
I don't get it

I just started rewatching it.
Holy shit the first three episodes are so clumsily handled.

>enter Madoka thread
>100 posts of people shitposting like they're on /v/ arguing about Souls games
>50 additional posts from some sperg dumping shitty ecchi and doujins
Why are Madoka threads so awful?

>>155820547
frip frappers

File: Screenshot from 2017-04-13 12-24-11.png (582KB, 991x407px) Image search: [Google]

582KB, 991x407px

mmmh really activates your almonds

>>155827919
Because it was one of the most normalfag-attracting anime in the history of /a/.

>>155827979
>show about 14 year old girls selling their souls, dressing in skimpy outfits, and being eviscerated by monsters or transforming into said monsters
>attracting normies

>>155824862
Madokas biggest problem is that it relies only on shock factor. The first viewing is good, but once you rewatch it, it doesn't hold up at all. That makes it a bad show. I have rewatched eva 4 times, and I always pick up new and interesting things. It's sad that many shows are copying such a shallow show as Madoka.

>>155828053
Of course it did. It was extremely popular among normalfags because of
>muh grimderp
>muh deconstruction

I watched it, it was good but too short.
Need LOOOOOOONG works

>>155828064
Top tier fight scenes though. Mami v Homura, Sayaka v Kyoko and Homura v Walpurgisnacht are all 10/10

File: 58074348_p4.jpg (100KB, 593x733px) Image search: [Google]

100KB, 593x733px

>>155828138
The fights are great.

>>155828064
>shock factor
when mami dies and ????
and even that scene was so badly telegraphed it ruined itself

File: 267Ulquiorra_profile.png (307KB, 595x480px) Image search: [Google]

307KB, 595x480px

>>155827979
>normalfag-attracting

How can an anime be so bad that even the yuri shit that comes out of it be shit

>>155828138
>>155828175
too bad most of the fights made no sense
but i guess that It's EPIc and SUPER COOl that the magical girls fight each other, it's drama, action right ?

>>155828244
>made no sense
"No"

>>155828094
you have a warped sense of what normalfag is
or just seem to be the kind of idiot that parrots words thinking they are standard pejoratives,
normalfags dont get off to cartoons anon,
go out on the street and ask them yourself.

There are two kinds of people in this thread.

1: those who enjoyed Madoka
2: those who haven't got around to watching Madoka yet

>>155828198
Shock factor is cheap way of making the audience think that the show is great. Every episode, you get some shocking and dark twist. That is the shows gimmick. But it falls apart, when you know the twist. Then you start noticing bad characterization, plotholes, lousy writing, etc. A good show is supposed to get better with every rewatch, while Madoka gets worse, once the shock wears off.

>>155828331
Kill yourself. The only anime that get better with every watch would be SoL and maybe comedy anime. Anybody whose watched any type of mystery series knows that wouldn't work. Part of Madok is figuring out what the fucks going on. Just because you already know because you've watched the series doesn't make it a bad show.

>>155828331
You always judge a series by the first time you've watched it because that's the way it was meant to be viewed.

>>155828408
I'm talking about the shock factor wearing off, revealing a poorly made, one trick pony.

>>155828467
>shock value wearing off

The entire story was good. The "shock value" only made it better.

>>155828331
What plot holes

>>155828451
No, I judge a show very critically. If the show has flaws, I call it out on it. And a cheap gimmick like shock factor is something I will call out.

Also, the first viewing can be misleading. To correctly evaluate a show, you need a second look, to see what it does right and what it does wrong.

Bitching about shock value would be like saying you hate Clannad because of forced romance and the shock value from the deaths. It's part of the fucking story!

File: __akemi_homura_and_akuma_homura_mahou_shoujo_madoka_magica_and_mahou_shoujo_madoka_magica_movie_drawn_by_apita_apitaro__13e9e5a6e0d6ff6e0ee8426542ac4a60.jpg (383KB, 2836x1595px) Image search: [Google]

383KB, 2836x1595px

>>155828522

>>155828580
people were calling clannad "forced drama" back when it aired,
just saying

>>155828638
Good answer.

>>155828572
>Also, the first viewing can be misleading. To correctly evaluate a show, you need a second look, to see what it does right and what it does wrong.

Maybe if your an idiot who has to over analyze every popular show you watch for the specific purpose of being picky and finding ways to shit on it then maybe but for normal people Madoka was great.

Also I could take your bullshit shock value argument and apply it to pretty much any god damn anime that exists.

Let's skip the fact that Madoka had

>excellent music
>interesting characters
>shock value which is a good thing
>good story
>etc

>>155828580
Clannaids is pure trash so you're not really helping your argument.

>>155828638
I want to fill those plot holes

>>155828672
Which shows you people will always hate on good anime just because it's good and they can't stand the fact that everybody including them likes it.

>>155828690
>>155828712
nani

File: IMG_7200.jpg (52KB, 1024x842px) Image search: [Google]

52KB, 1024x842px

>>155828721

>>155828746
People gotta fix them posts.

>>155828777
Just making the thread look cleaner than correcting it in a separate post. It kinda ruins the purpose when you link it.

>>155828712
>Maybe if your an idiot who has to over analyze every popular show you watch
It's called appreciating shows with nuanced characterization and different layers of interpretation.
Truly good writing shines and grows with repeated viewings, something as shallow and gimmicky as Madoka doesn't. In my opinion isn't even good during the first viewing, not with those cardboard cutouts characters that never behave like a real human would, but that's just me.

>>155820547
pretty much the second coming of grimdark mahou shojo

>>155828871
>f grimdark mahou shojo
i recall that one with the boy mahour shojo, was there more?

File: 60719706_p0.png (390KB, 1080x1920px) Image search: [Google]

390KB, 1080x1920px

>>155820391
I found a superior mahou shoujo series

>>155828888
Exactly, it isn't influential at the slightest.
Magireco and Concept Movie would be the final nail in the coffin of this franchise.

>>155828198
>mami dies
>shock factor

I always thought Mami's death felt really insignificant. Maybe because it was only the third episode and it wasn't enough time for me to form an emotional connection with her. My initial thoughts were pretty much just "Oh, she died?". Later episodes, especially 10-12, hit me emotionally much harder.

>>155828355
>none didn't need to happen & could've be avoided is what you mean.
fair enough, I get your point
still I felt that the fight between the character didn't feel natural, they felt forced in some way

What does it say about Madoka and its fan that mahou shoujo for little girls like Card Captor Sakura, Doremi, Princess Tutu and Heartcatch Pretty Cure are infinitely better written, with superior characterization and more mature treatment of issues like loss, grief, growing up, etc?

>>155828859
Which one behaved in a manner that no real human would?

The one with low self-esteem who entertained childish dreams of being a superhero and winning her crush's heart, and who falls into suicidal depression when those fragile dreams crash around her ears along with her sense of self-worth?

The desperately lonely one who got sloppy and distracted after finally making some friends, and who has a mental breakdown after learning that everything she ever believed in was a lie?

The one who put up a facade of being overly callous and standoffish as a defense mechanism to keep herself from being betrayed by people close to her, and from realizing that she had nothing to live for?

The one with the crippling case of yuri oneitis that drives her crazy?

Or perhaps the shy one who spends the whole show wondering aloud what the fuck is going on and what she's supposed to be doing about it?

>>155829044
>Bebe is an ancient evil from a parallel reality that you've never experienced and have no way of knowing about, but trust me when I say that we're all living in the matrix with fake memories of our entire lives, and Bebe is the reason for it because I've seen it all before which I also have literally no way of verifying, so please stand aside and let me shoot your surrogate imouto in the head pls.
>"no"

>forced

>>155828859
Name three great anime anon.

>>155828859
>watched the anime twice

You loved it idiot.

>>155825922
>Keion
>having lasting impact

I'm just going to come out and say it because everybody else is scared.

Madoka is the all around best anime on earth right now.

>>155829279
When you really think about it yea, I guess it's kinda true.

I'm just going to come out and say it because everybody else is scared.
Madoka is an anime with great art direction, but the poor pacing, terrible characters, weak plot, lack of proper storytelling and all around mediocrity makes it a forgettable average anime

>>155829071
You really aren't helping your case summing up their entire characters in one sentence.
Madoka especially is probably the most shallow, one note and unrealistic lead in the entire magical girl genre.
>>155829133
Akage no Anne, Rose of Versailles, Utena.
>>155829203
No, I watched it once. There was nothing to gain from another viewing.

>>155829379
>being this much of a hipster

I never understood the satisfaction you get from claiming you hate legendary series. Do you just like to cause arguments?

>>155829279
I enjoyed sword art online more than madoka

>>155829417
>if you like something that's popular, you're a normie
>if you dislike something that's popular, you're a hipster
nobody wins

>>155829398
>watched the series all the way through

You enjoyed it.

Also that anon didn't describe their entire character. Even I could see that.

>>155829398
>good characters require a novel to explain their motivations, and have arcs that are impossible to state succinctly
I seriously hope that you're being ironic right now, anon, because that's fucking wrong.

>>155829458
>watched the series all the way through
>You enjoyed it.

and if that guy stopped watching halfway through, you'd say that he can't post his opinion on the series since he didn't finish it

I watched it when it aired... Only been a couple years r-right?

>>155820391
>influential
The only place it was "influential" was in bringing redditor /u/faggots to /a/.

>>155829455
Normie is a meme term because nobody is normal and Hipsters do in fact exist. That's the difference.

>>155824907
>the wave it caused in the anime industry while airing is the biggest yet out of any anime ever created
even kemono friends beat it. madoka is irrelevant

>>155820391
I have watched harem series with a better plot than Madoka's.

>>155829522
so people that like things only because they are popular don't exist according to you ?

>>155829455
>>155829569
stop replying to blatant bait you dumb fucking eslposter

>>155829522
yeah no normie is definitely a real-life archetype

>>155829503
Anon, I'm not an idiot okay. I know you enjoyed the series just because you're in this thread. The fact that you admitted to watching the entire thing is just a bonus.

>>155829071
>Or perhaps the shy one who spends the whole show wondering aloud what the fuck is going on and what she's supposed to be doing about it?
Great, you admit the MC is a plot device while pointing out how shallow and artificial the rest of the cast is.

>>155829460
Their motivations are only there so the victimizing hits the simple-minded viewers in the feelz harder. You summed up everything there is to the characters along with all the nuance they have in one sentence. Also their arcs don't lead anywhere.

>>155829563
You're completely missing the point of madoka, it's a yuri harem anime hidden behind a 2deep4you plot so you can act like an intellectual in these threads to justify your depravity

>>155829569
I can just tell if somebody genuinely doesn't like a series but that's nobody in this thread. It's all for attention and just so they can feel superior.

>>155829627
Oh now I get it. Madoka isn't different from harem shows in term of enjoying. You either enjoy it or don't, is that right? People have to be retarded if they believe it is deep.

Saying you hate Madoka is like saying you hate orgasms. Yea you can say it but nobody is going to actually believe you.

>>155829708
Saying you enjoy Madoka is like saying you enjoy a kick in the balls. Yea you can say it but nobody is going to actually believe you.

>>155829708
Well I dont hate it. Ive just had better orgasms.

>>155829730
I would say you're full of shit.

>>155829751
Saying that on 4chan is like saying that to a girl that just dumped you. Yea you can say it but she's not going to believe you just because it's convenient for your argument.

>>155821747
Jojo motherfucker.

Manga still ongoing. New anime most likely in 2018. AND daily threads. If anything, Jojo is more alive then Madoka and Eva

>>155829618
>their characterization isn't "valid" characterization because it serves a purpose in evoking emotion in the viewer
What the fuck, so what emotion does the writer need to aim for in order for characterization to be "real?" Is haremshit or moeblob OK if its meant to induce laughter instead of tears?

Furthermore, you are under the (mistaken) impression that I need to type out whole paragraphs in order to fully explain these characters' backstories. You can do the same with the "greats" of english literature

>Hamlet is a young prince who is consumed with rage and a lust for revenge over the unjust death of his father, and for the perceived betrayal of his mother in marrying his fathers' murderer so soon after his death, and his disregard for his own well-being as well as that of those around him results in copious amounts of collateral damage as well as his own death. Whether or not his victory was worth it is uncertain.

>Macbeth is a young noble with dreams of leading his country to peace and prosperity, who is seduced by his ambitious wifes' plans to seize power by force and rule the land, but in an ironic twist the once-murderous wife is driven insane by guilt while the once-reluctant Macbeth goes on to become a vicious dictator who must be put down in an armed rebellion led by his former friends

>Tyrion Lannister hates himself and his genetic deformities but his his pain behind a penchant for alcohol and cheap women, who are the only things that he allows to grow close to him after being traumatized during his youth by a brutal punishment at the hands of his abusive father for getting too close to people he shouldn't have. The tension following this event and a general sense of resentment over his extreme competency being overlooked due to favoritism leads him to murder his father and sever all ties with his family before attempting to join forces with those who would overthrow their power.

>>155829808
Thanks for prooving my point. The only reason people discuss it is because new content is being made. Madoka will be discussed forever even if nothing new is ever made again.

https://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=animeatt&attid=7858

>>155829133
I'll give you six:

Cowboy Bebop
Haibane Renmei
Haruhi Suzumiya
Cromartie High School
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
Little Witch Academia

>>155820662
>>155820391
To give OP credit: I did find Madoka overall better than Eva. Both are overrated shows, with Eva the worst for being overly pretentious. But for Madoka, I only had one problem with the series. One. But the movie made up for that, even though the movie is a double sided coin

>>155829893
I read none of it but I agree with that guy

>>155829908
Haruhi is literally the only worthy anime you mentioned that could maybe even compete with Madoka.

>>155829868
Forever is a silly word anon. We do not know what a year, or a decade, brings.

But to give you credit: I'd thake Madoka longevity over Evangelion. And at least Madoka didn't squander its potential the way Haruhi did.

Daily Reminder that HomuHomu Did Nothing Wrong

>an Evangelion copy cat is the most influential thing since Evangelion
I call bullshit.

>>155829961
at least evangelion was good and had original elements

>>155828331
>Agatha Christie wrote bad books
Yeah no. Fuck off.

File: IMG_7201.gif (213KB, 394x332px) Image search: [Google]

213KB, 394x332px

>>155829984
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YpuRcmPnSTM

>>155829938
Normies still talk about Bebop. More people still remember Cromartie.

Jojo almost always finds a way, with Part 2 having one of the best protags ever. Haibane Renmei is still a popular choice on /a/ recommended listings.

I think the only exception would be LWA, but, I think I overall liked the OVA far more then Madoka - though I will admit Madoka is more thought provoking than LWA

>>155830038
There is nothing wrong with Bebop, only contrarians say otherwise

>>155829984
Yes, that's what I'm implying.

>>155830060
It was boring? The action was good a lot of the time but the entire thing all together is pretty boring.

>>155830101
>durr if people aren't shooting at each other it sucks
you've gotta be at least 18 to post here, my man

None of the elements of the plot make any sense
reminder that the whole plot twist is that madoka somehow is super strong because of homura timeline's fuckery and that somehow she can make an impossible wish that defeats kyubei's plan, and that somehow kyubei doesn't refuse her wish even when he knew what was gonna happen

all the plot wholes are filled with "somehow" and "by the way it works like that", since the watcher doesn't know anything about the predetermined rules of the universe, you cannot get invested in the story or characters, making it all pointless

>>155830140
Kyubey thought that Madoka would pop like a balloon eventually after making her wish like all other magical girls, he didn't expect her to actually be strong enough to preemptively destroy her own witch

>>155830157
why would madoka pop ? The wishes never had limitations in the first place, why was madoka able to break the wishes limitation such an important plot device when we don't know them ?

>>155830101
Jesus christ you sound underage

Wait you watch an ACTUAL boring anime like Lain

I think Madoka was too good. I honestly shouldn't be haveing that much fun watching anime.

>>155829860
Who are you quoting?

>>155830213
Bebop and Lain were boring but Lain was comfy.

>>155829946
she literally converted madoka from a strong confident girl into a simpering jellyfish

There are hundreds of legit posts pointing out this anime's flaws in this thread but not a single one defending
the only argument supporting it are
"It's popular"
the plot isn't good
the characters aren't good
the setting isn't good
the art is good
and there's nothing original or interesting about it

>>155830343
Yea but you still watched the entire series and enjoyed it like everybody else.

I think Madoka is a series that is best appreciated when the viewer is not watching superficially. People who point to it's grimdark or shock value as the cause of its success are people who watched it superficially.

I regret watching Madoka. It was amazing when I watched it but now all other anime don't seem that good.

>>155830455
Watching Madoka is a curse.

>>155829984
Evangelion is the most unoriginal thing in all of Anime

>>155829133
I can name more great anime:
>Legend of the galactic heroes
>Neon genesis Evangelion
>Ghost in the shell: Stand Alone Complex
>Haibane renmei
>Serial experiments Lain
>Kaiba
>Tatami galaxy
>Berserk
>Utena
>Trigun
>welcome to the NHK
These shows stand the test of rewatching, and offer more than Madoka can ever dream of.

>>155830384
It's best watched when you realize just how amazing of a magical prostitute Madoka is.

I have watched Ideon Be Invoked though.

>>155830487
It's good, something that doesn't usually happens in anime, so it's orignal

File: IMG_5877.jpg (67KB, 1000x867px) Image search: [Google]

67KB, 1000x867px

>>155830499
All those anime.

>>155830515
Watch more Anime. It's dogshit.

>>155830499
I like now you named the best anime you could possibly think of yet none of them really compare to Madoka and in fact have more problems.

>>155830535
well, i'm comparing it to madoka, so yeah It's good

>>155820391
>2017
>still thinking Madoka is relevant

>>155830191
>Why would Madoka pop
Because she doesn't actually like being God, she says so herself, and eventually the unhappiness would pile up until it cracked her soul gem. She outright states this. That's what Kyubey was hoping would happen because a god-tier magical girl releases god-tier amounts of energy becoming a god-tier witch, and if that witch happens to destroy earth he doesn't give a fuck, there's literally infinite other planets to find alien magical girls to fuck with as replacements. Kyubeys fuckup was that Madoka was so strong that she defeated her own despair, and his fuckup was because nobody could predict how powerful she had become due to Homura's time fuckery, and he underestimated it.

>>155830572
The creator of Eva praised Madoka, so no it isn't.

>>155830624
but her wish was to remove the concept of witches, so there is no reason for her to become a god tier witch

It's funny how everybody is trying to compare Madoka a twelve episode anime with 20/80+ episode anime just to even stand a chance.

File: IMG_9656.jpg (70KB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

70KB, 1280x720px

>>155830505
The series is an allegory for the high school student sex trade industry in Japan.

>>155830651
Her wish was to save magical girls from becoming witches, she doesn't erase the concept of witches she just traps them at the moment of their birth, and Kyubey didn't figure on her being so powerful she could apply it to herself too successfully when her own time came

Friendly reminder that Homura did nothing wrong <3

>>155830659
[citation needed]

>>155830689
>Her wish was to save magical girls from becoming witches
by default, that would apply to her, there is no reason that kyubei would ever think the opposite, on top of that he is the one that explained to the viewer why madoka was so strong, so since he knows how the time fuckery works, he should know what kind of power it gives

>>155830632
>Source: my ass

File: image.jpg (34KB, 625x626px) Image search: [Google]

34KB, 625x626px

>>155830570
>>155830530
2 (you)'s coming right up.

>>155830530
>>155830570
Nice contrarianism

>>155830140
Is he actually allowed to refuse wishes, though, provided they would work? I never got the impression that it was at his discretion which wishes went through.

>>155830786
>>155830808

See
>>155830652

File: 80ms.jpg (923KB, 1084x1249px) Image search: [Google]

923KB, 1084x1249px

It goes like this.

>almost 300 replies in a bait thread

you people are easier than your mothers

>>155830846
I don't believe he is. It's part of the contract formed.

File: IMG_7203.jpg (174KB, 738x890px) Image search: [Google]

174KB, 738x890px

>>155830849
You didn't add this?

>>155830847
So? What does more bait prove?

>>155830735
>By default that would apply to her
No, why would you assume something like that? The entire point of Kyubey granting these wishes is that they're poisoned in such a way as to subvert what you asked for in the first place.
>I wish to save my friends from becoming witches
>I could save everyone but myself
Is Kyubey's exact MO, in fact that was the entire point of Sayaka's plotline.

Also Kyubey even tells the viewer (by way of Madoka) that he isn't sure about what's going to happen when he grants the wish or if Madoka is even strong enough to make it work properly, and he tells Homura that his kind really has no basis for judging how powerful Madoka has actually become because they can't perceive all timelines like she can and are thus restricted to theory and spitballing.

Why are Madokafags so obnoxious?

Cute, bandwagon anime.

>>155830846
it feels like he can't refuse the wishes, but there is no explanation on why, didn't his specie create the concept of wishes ? Why would they create something that flawed ?

>>155820391
>influential
fucking WEW lad.

>>155830868
>I can't accept how popular Madoka is so this is obviously a bait thread

I finally watched Madoka after putting it off for so long, it was pretty good but thats it. Kyubei was the best character in it by far.
I was still shocked by Mamis death as I always thought that she hung herself, so when she got gobbled up it got me.

>>155830952
I believe it's because they consider human emotion something that they can harness and control. Even after Madoka becomes a god they're still trying to find some way to use her to their benefit. They don't realize that human emotions are too dangerous to fuck around with until Homura rewrites everything again in Rebellion, but it's too late at that point.

>>155830968
It's for intelligent people only, sorry.

>>155830952
Because they want to prolong the universe and found that method to be acceptable. Go rewatch episode 11 where they talk about all this stuff.

>>155831005
they did since the beggining of humanity, and only once somehow the power of emotions was too strong ?
>They don't realize that human emotions are too dangerous to fuck around
the thing that defeated them is the timeline fuckery tho, emotions had nothing to do with the plot

>>155820978
This.

Madoka is a poor man's Alien 9.

>>155830971
If the OP writes something so hyperbolic as "the most influential anime since Evangelion" it's obviously bait, dumbass. Evangelion was a great anime. So was Madoka. But only retards would compare their "influence"

>>155831079
But Madoka is obviously better and makes it look like a complete joke?

>>155831062
But the time fuckery isn't what got the Kyubeys ultra-bullied, that was Homura falling in love and yandere'ing herself into becoming the devil. Plus, the time-fuckery is also rooted in Homura's love, so it ultimately all comes down to the Kyubeys not understanding what they were messing with when it came to how intensely insane crippled girls can love other girls.

>>155831100
because of we compare madoka and evangelion on any other basis than their "influence", the evangelion would win on every point becuase there's nothing good about madoka outside of the fact that it is popular

>>155830968
Space Warrior Baldios

>>155831100
>But only retards would compare their "influence"

Because Eva didn't really influence that much if you think about it.

File: 1449081047257.jpg (894KB, 1104x2282px) Image search: [Google]

894KB, 1104x2282px

>>155830849
Fixed edition.

>>155831100
Because Madoka is a passing fad.
It didn't influence or change the industry in any way. Eva success made the late night anime market viable. Rei and Asuka also became character template that people copy.

>>155831199

That's not what i said, dumbass. Madoka is way better than your average anime, even if you only take into account the excellent voice acting and ost

>>155831295
>Eva success made the late night anime market viable
No it didn't you stupid idiot.

>>155831272
I'm sorry. It is just annoying seeing that fucking retard trying to bait the so called ACK he is so obsessed with daily just to ruin threads. This thread is shit but it doesn't have to become super shit.

>influence of chinese cartoons on their """""industry"""""
this thread is retarded

>>155831334
the average anime has characters and plot that make sense, so no, It's below the average anime, since it can't even get the basic stuff right

>>155831394
Sailor Moon is just a dumb shoujo magical girl show for kids. Madoka is far better in every way.

Can we all agree that Cowboy Bebop has a better soundtrack than all of them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcTVu3N12no

>>155831429
madoka is infinitely dumber since it tries to be smart and fails
sailor moon is sweet and simple

>>155831450
flcl has excellent soundtrack

File: fwn-tvan-1.png (4KB, 500x380px) Image search: [Google]

4KB, 500x380px

>>155831400
Go check Eva released date dumbass

>>155828053
>normies
thanks for proving his point

Boku no Pico

>>155831419
fucking this

if you want to take anime seriously why don't you discuss the two shows instead of taking sides and calling each other "contrarians"?

>whole plot twist of the series is that human emotions cannot be controlled
>character are breadsticks with makeup that don't act like normal human beings

File: 1491479675664.jpg (151KB, 1919x1080px) Image search: [Google]

151KB, 1919x1080px

The meducas are a part of Araragi's harem.

>>155831668
they're teenage girls, of couse they don't act like normal human beings

>>155831712
and I expected them to act like teenage girls, not emotionless autists

>>155831690
>daisuki

aside from that, good observation anon. Definitely better than 90% posts in this thread

>>155831744
Why are you taking my shitposts seriously, guy?

>>155831788
more than 90% if this thread are shitposts, i don't even care anymore

Megane Homura > Homura

>>155830632
even if that's true most evafags think that Anno is a hack, you're not helping your case in here

>>155831295
I'll believe you when it passes but everybody still lives and talks about Madoka and it'll continue forever in my opinion.

>>155831844
megane anything > anything

>>155831450
Kill yourself you fucking hipster. Nobody actually listens to Jazz. Madoka obviously has the better soundtrack.

>>155831911
>evafag posing as madokafag

so you guys arent even remotely interested in Magia Record?

File: IMG_9657.jpg (18KB, 480x272px) Image search: [Google]

18KB, 480x272px

>>155831744
>emotionless autists
Madoka's reaction to Mami's death in episode 4 is one of the more emotionally authentic responses to a death in an anime. It's one thing to suddenly kill a character, it's another to have that death weigh on the characters and story to the extent that Mami's did.

>>155820391
Started it four separate times months/years apart. It can never hold my interest during the first episode.

>>155831980
you take too much effort in your baits

>>155831496
That's just your opinion and I guarantee you don't watch Sailor moon you pepperoni fagget. The truth is you enjoyed Madoka but you're pretending you hate it for attention. Nobody in this thread believes you didn't enjoy Madoka.

>>155831988
That's called ADHD.

>>155831935
this thread is so full of strawman arguments and name-calling that I'm pretty sure it's just Evafags and Madokafags LARPing as each other to prove that the opposing fandom is retarded

File: shieldbro.png (901KB, 938x529px) Image search: [Google]

901KB, 938x529px

mai waifu

>>155831893
This

>>155831911
The soundtrack from Madoka was average at best you fucking plebeian.

>>155831980
not even close, I don't even care about mami, and her death was completely irrelevant to the plot
it was just there to say "hey it's a magical girl anime but we're MATURE not like the other ones, hey have a character die"

>>155832144
it has latin chorus so It's immediately amazing, the same applies to reference to religion, it doesn't have to be good

>>155832144
Are you kidding me you tomato soup fuckface? If you're going on how well the music fits the series the soundtrack to Madoka is legendary. You're on drugs.

>>155832142
Homura could definitely beat Sayaka and probably Kyouko, and the film showed she could hold her own against Mami thanks to her resourcefulness.

>>155832175
>>155831911
>thinking madoka's soundtrack is better than bebops
Could you be any more of a shitter?

>>155832185
Maybe Sayaka if she was lucky but Kyoko is better suited to take her down than even Mami.

>>155832181
It's not. Like I said, average at best. I bet you think the Inception soundtrack is epic as well.

I'm glad that finally we all agree that madoka is complete shit, please mods, nuke the threads

>>155832223
I dislike madoka's soundtrack but the inception soundtrack is a 100 times worse

>>155832199
>muhh jazz

Kill yourself. Madoka especially destroys the Bebop soundtrack. If you want something to compare the greatness of Madoka to soundtrack wise maybe Inuyasha but Bebop? Get outta here.

File: 1491969685734.jpg (65KB, 641x581px) Image search: [Google]

65KB, 641x581px

>>155821577
Madoka doesn't even get 4 threads a week nigger

>>155832229
>look how different from everybody else I am
>I'm an individual!

>>155832313
everyone in this thread is currently shitting on madoka, the others are just shitposting / baiting

>>155832300
You're obviously new because I post here everyday and I always post something in a Madoka thread.

>>155831744
>everyone except Homura is in a nonstop state of emotional breakdown
>the entire plot is these feelings causing them to turn into monsters
>but they're acting like emotionless autists
Why am I even taking this bait?

>>155832352
>shitposting / baiting

How about no. I realize you can't get it through your thick head but Madoka is a popular anime and has a ton of fans and I guarantee everybody in this thread has watched it and are fans. The nature of /a/ just promotes pretending you hate popular anime for attention.