Animators have quit. Shows get less episodes due to shortage

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Oh no, Japan ran out of animators. If only there were some other people willing to work for almost nothing.

>>155428607
yeah

>>155428658
That doesn't change much, and Chinese firms are already making their own animation studios.

If anything, this is heading to a scenario where active Japanese animation studios would be halved and Chinese animation studios would start to make projects for Japanese media.

>>155428658
So Japan ran out of resources and now they found the place they can get some again. Sounds familiar.

Time for a restructuring of the industry. Might be a good thing in the end.

>>155428658
Or they they could just start paying animators more.

>>155429076
It takes years to train an animator. It's cheaper and faster to let globalization work its magic.

>>155429109
It takes years to learn a craft. The main issue is making said craft an interesting prospect. Right now, being an animator is a stressful and unrewarding job.

>>155428607
They are working on machines that can draw, there will be no need for many animators anymore, the few they need will be for key frames to establish a baseline and give the drawing emotions since the machines are not good at that.

>>155428607
Industries only collapse when they become obsolete. As long as there are people who want anime, there will be an industry.
What might collapse is the current model of anime existing primarily as advertisement for manga/LN/VN.

If you watched the Kingdom of Dreams and Madness you would understand what's happened to the anime industry. Miyazaki said it best. The modern youth of today have stopped trying. So there is no good animators anymore.

>>155428607
No, but you can expect more and more shows to resemble Kemono Friends in quality, which is a fate worse than death.

>>155428658
Oh boy, more sweatshop animation, my favorite
This always results in a quality product

>>155429176
But basically every single solitary anime created like this has been utter shit.

You can see how completely fucking garbage and plastic DBS has been.

>>155429161
If they want higher wages so bad they should do more than whine on twitter. Otherwise they have no choice but to compete with globalization. It's incredibly unlikely the aforementioned will happen, though, because Japanese culture is incredibly hostile and make it impossible for a Donald Trump to be born.

>>155429208
Your anime is already created in a sweatshop.

>>155429300
That's why I said more

>>155429161
Investors such as Netflix and other studio's will simply decide to have their animation done in countries like Korea, that is just how it goes. I mean other industries have done the same and hardly anyone speaks up to break the cycle. I don't see the Japanese doing it, it is only fans that will complain on twitter and shit about it.

>>155429220
That's the Philipino's fault, the machines will do better, especially in dark and flashy scenes.

>>155429181
Gotta wonder what will replace it though. Original anime have been shit lately, and requiring manga series to be finished or have enough material for x cours could affect manga releases negatively.

I personally don't have any bad shit with anime acting as adverts for LN/VN/WN/manga. It's just the quality and material reach (i.e., having enough story material for a cohesive season ending) that sometimes irks me with some anime shows.

>>155429220
How do these machines work? Do you mean digital animation?

oh cool look its another one of these threads

glad that i've gotten to see at least one every year for that past 10 years

>>155428607
>Anime earning shifts from DVDs and merch to streaming.
Pfft

>>155429220
DBS is animated traditionally, it's the compositing and coloring that's digital.

>>155428607
Good to hear. Only based GodAni, a studio that treats animators like humans, should still alive. Others can burn, no one cares.

>>155429526
Even if anime stop being mere ads for manga, they can still be adaptation. Just no longer primarily funded by publishers. Publishers are generally not that interested in making complete anime series, except in rare cases when there are strong compelling reasons for them to do so.
Perhaps if streaming services like Netflix got big and powerful enough there could be a chance of them funding a complete series. I don't know how big streaming is in Japan so maybe that's a long way off still.

>>155429193
>The modern youth of today have stopped trying
Or in other words, they stopped accepting being treated like garbage.

>>155428658
China isn't a good place for Japanese to find cheap animators and inbetweeners because unlike the Koreans, China have a lot of investors willing to invest in their own cartoon productions, especially right now with their government enforcing capital outflow controls.

The country animators are pretty much busy servicing their own industry, which is why Japan is still using Koreans.

The future is computer generated images. Give animators models to physically manipulate and let them act out key frames while software fills in.

The bulk of work will be front loaded as character design, and on going backgrounds.

This method will allow a massive expansion of the already very extensive market.

>>155429220
Well, that's one way to show you're retarded.

>>155429193
Why would you try when there's no reward?
Only a fool would work hard at something that actively tries to fuck him.

When you hunt the boar, you get boar meat if you work hard. When you animate, someone else gets the boar, no matter how hard you work.

>>155429220
Nanomachines?

>>155428607
This is pretty obvious that the industry is starting to crash in on itself because of too much demand and not enough supply of animators and time to do all these productions they are trying to do at once. Animators getting paid like shit and their environment being a living hell has been said for a long time. Along, with production committees trying to squeeze as much anime that they can out of these studios as possible.

As long as nothing improves on the animators side we are just going get more outsourced anime which leads to a rapid decline of quality even more in anime being shown. Unless, the people they outsourced their stuff too actually get good on doing animations which we know is mainly them outsourcing stuff to Korean which judging by the anime shows quality still isn't good enough to compete with Japan yet.

>>155428607
No surprise. Who the hell would want to be a animator? Long hours of work and the wages are even less than a seiyuu.

>>155428607
Kemono Friends was animated by 5animators over 500days

>>155429109
I think it's the same for most professions out there nowadays. Most people could do just about anything if they were properly trained, but nobody's willing to train anyone.

>>155428607
Japan needs to move over to flash animation.

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>>155429208
Wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuoxHdZgF2M

China is making real strides lately.

The only problem they face is that their stories are kinda cringe AF. But as far as technique goes, they're getting there, at least faster than Korea.

>>155434316
>The only problem they face is that their stories are kinda cringe AF. But as far as technique goes, they're getting there, at least faster than Korea.
The issue is they are damn conservative. And their government isn't shy about censoring content.

>>155432561
>the wages are even less than a seiyuu.
everyone gets paid less than a seiyuu
seiyuus are the ones making the most money in the anime industry

>>155429379
Are you kidding? Japanese studios always outsource to Korea.

>>155434174
it's already dead.

>>155428658
Time to make those faggot chinks remember who's boss.

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>>155432596
Kemono Friends success was a rare rare exception.
Weeabos need to stop being obnoxious over CGI, 2D anime is is no longer profitable, CGI will make it a lot easier for animators, they just need to find a way to make it easier in the eyes.

>>155434453
I think he meant "beginner seiyuus", those that only get a few lines as a bg character mostly.

>>155434316
This.

That new Chinese anime about a former e-sports player looked fucking amazing visually but the story is bad.

>>155434374
Censorship is a small part of the problem. It's the mentality. Just look at >>155434249

Their storytelling hasn't evolved for decades. How many Chinese historical epics or some variant on that can they produce before it gets stale.

I guess if you really like wuxia drama, that's fine because that's the only thing China can do, but if you want anything else, just forget it because it'll just be a copy of some anime.

Most anime is shit. Less shows would be good.

>>155434453
Seiyuu don't get paid shit either. They only make money based on the roles they mainly get from video games, drama cds, attending radio events and a certain percentage they make get off the cds they are involved in. Anime is just a promotional advertisement for them, but doesn't exactly pay the bills. Unless, they are constantly getting a steady supply of work and are very popular they are just a poor as the animators.

>>155428607
No one cares about they studios that arent KyoAni, and KyoAni trains their own animators, provides them housing and pays them well without overworking them.

What's that story about some seiyuu making fun of a b seiyuu by making him believe he's going to be part of some anime?

I just remembered that. It makes me think all seiyuus are grade a pompous assholes.

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>>155428607
Anno and Miyazaki have been preaching that for years.

I for one welcome our new Korean overlords.

>>155429194
>>155432596
>>155429194

If shoddy, amateurish productions like Kemono Friends becomes accepted we can expect anime to turn to CGI shit. Fuck everything.

>>155434603
Not always. Some of the really popular or veteran seiyuu like Megumi Hayashibara do earn a lot from being a seiyuu itself.

>>155434758
Anyone?

>>155434603
and seiyuus have the time to do all that shit because their job is so easy
animators work 25/7 making one anime and they get paid shit

>>155434810
Why animators are ok with this?

>>155434862
They're driven by passion. A lot of them burn out after a while though.

>>155434862

I can't say for Japanese animators but Western animators have been trying to unionize for decades to get better pay and working conditions. Problem is Koreans that work for peanuts will pretty much stop any collective bargaining power that animators have.

>>155429176
Not until Miyazaki dies

>>155434862
You can't beat the market Anon. Nobody can.

>>155434883
Passion doesn't bail he bills. And fuck the big guys taking advantage of them. KyoAni saving anime isn't a joke.

>>155434830
That's a warning sign already. Soon all your favorite manga will have a CG anime adaptation.

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>>155434835
Found it.

https://pastebin.com/ggTgNHTT

Voice actors can be real scumbags.

>Anime might be full CG garbage is the future
Maybe this is a good thing. I can finally stop watching chinese cartoons and get a new hobby

>>155434916
If everything becomes CG, I'll just read the manga.


But wait, CG manga might become a thing as well.

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>>155428658

it's hard to admit but even chinese "people" would do better than japanese animators right now

>>155434953

>During the publicity and promotional campaign for the anime in Osaka, a video was posted on ustream of Ichiki along side Kanemoto. During this video, Ichiki is made to play a "punishment game" and the punishment is being electrocuted while reading off upcoming promotional events.

What the flying fuck. After humiliating the guy with a fake audition they have the audacity to force him into this? That's messed up.

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>>155434953
This reads like some fucked up Otome game.

If Ichiki was also thinking he deserves this, it'd totally be a plot of Otome game.

>>155428658
Emon have demonstrated quite clearly over the last year that letting Chinese people make anime is a bad idea.

>>155435006
>might

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>the anime industry has never been this thriving
>t. oldfag
Retards btfo.
>kaichou, our profits aren't as high as they were 5 years ago, what should we do?
>there's only one thing we can do, shinji-kun, make those good for nothing who only work 12 hours a day work more, we won't tolerate any slacking anymore!
Truly, no one could have predicted it.

Enjoy your CGI anime with shit coloring.

>>155435033
>using legitimate squash and stretch as an example of QUALITY
perma-heem yourself faggot

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To nobody surprise, quality > quantity

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>>155435046
>>155435048
If you want to feel good, they actually gave him a role in an episode.

http://kokoroconnect.wikia.com/wiki/Shiroyama_Shouto

Also he got married to a cute voice actress, so it all worked out in the end.

>>155435117
Based Kyoani. How can other studios even compete?

>>155435105

stay mad baby

>>155429109
Isn't globalization wonderful?
You either drink the corporate cum or die.

>>155435120
Fuck him, he's a cuck.

>>155435117
Animators of Keijo clearly loved what they were doing.

WWW.Working had weirdly just poor animation. They had interesting eyes and overall look, but even comparing to its predecessors it looked really boring, that was weird.

but no really the anime industry is absolutely oversaturated. they need to cut down on animation studios and merge them for more available workforce per studio

the amount of anime they shat out from 2006 to 2017 will make up the backlogs for decades of casual watching

>>155434862
>why are farmers ok with this?
>why are fishermen ok with this?
Because they have no powerful lobbies to influence politics like the middlemen do.

This is why voting is important, next vote ask yourself what the interests of the politican you're gonna vote really are when he gets his funding by all those middlemen who produce nothing. But don't just trust like a brainlet the first person who tells you he's "for the people".

EU is getting fucked big time by this.

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>>155435033
deformation is an artistic tools
a tool that isn't possible in a CGI world

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Animation industry has historically always been pushed forward not by some universal standards, but rather by a relatively small passionate group of people that change how things are done in their respective parts of the industry

>Disney's nine old men.
>Calarts class of '75.
>Takahata's and Miyazaki's Ghibli (and earlier happenings in Toei and Shin-Ei with their senpai's like Yasuo Otsuka)

Right now in Japan, for TV animation, "the group" is Kyoani. They don't (allegedly) treat their staff like shit, and the system works.

Other studios, like Trigger and P.A., want to follow that system, and studios that fail to do so by continuing to treat their staff like shit will eventually crumble (or at least fade into obscurity).

>>155435117
Kyoani fandom had made a weird turn after they start to lose the sales war consistently.

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>>155435163
>Choosing quality over quantity

>>155435144
Corporate cum > Government cum

>>155428607
By 2020? The boom has happened, in actuality it is still going on right now, so a burst has to happen some time in the future. 2020 seems too soon, unless the olympics are the ones to puncture the baloon.

Who needs animators when 3D is the future?

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Animators earn only about $2,300 a month but the real problem is salary for inbetween animators. Most young animators have to start there can be in that position for a couple of years for promotion. The problem is, wages there are unsustainable for living in Tokyo.

>>155428607
After the reading the article, there is one thing I don't get. How come salary isn't going up due to shortage of staff? The job market is always based on supply and demand.

Something doesn't add up right here.

>>155432525
>Too much demand
>Not enough supply

If this was true the animators wouldn't get paid like shit

>>155435189
Voting is to power what lottery is to money. Fuck democracy.

1. There are better paying jobs (multiple times better than the usual rate for every frame) Except it's Pachinko, so nobody wants to do it (no credits, unlike movies/tv)
2. Anime studios are concentrated in tokyo.
--Problem 1: Animation jobs pay shit, therefore it's harder to afford expensive city living
--Problem 2: Animation studios ask "do you live with your parents," during the interview process (you couldn't survive on your own wage). Which leads to limiting the supply of animators to people living immediately within Tokyo and the surrounding commute-able region. (approx 700 animation studios in all of Japan and approx 600 of them are in western Tokyo)
--Problem 3: There are actually would-be animators despite the shit wage, but they don't live in Tokyo (thus, can't mooch off parents while making shit wages). Studios outside of Tokyo exist, but are not very common. Basically Kyoani is an exception for multiple reasons.

>>155435213
Thats why you move to Kyoto and live in KyoAni Dorm.

Or to Nanto and live in PA Works stabble, while working on horse anime.

>>155435189
EU in general is a product of Prussiablob mentality

>>155435213
That's why in-betweeners are mostly offshore now. Nobody give a shit about a pinoy making 900 a month. in-between is basically an internship in Japan.

>>155435191
Trigger is different.

They still use cel animation and are adamant about doing only originals.

While KyoAni adapt shit and rape their digital animation with gradients.

>>155435218
Japan's reaction to more money in anime is... making more anime. Most studios do not have the the industry heft to negotiate for higher rates in their budget, so there's no way for studios to trickle down the money to increase animator wages. Frame and cut rates are more-or-less standard across the industry essentially to due collusion.

>>155435198
We are in this shit because corporations took over governments in the first place

>>155435259
>They still use cel animation
Are you daft? They get their digital composite and coloring done at Sanzigen. Noone makes celluloid sheets anymore.

>>155435259
>cel animation
Nobody does cel animation anymore you retard.

And Kyoani, just like Trigger and 80% of the industry, still animate with pen & paper. This is not one of these backwards Japanese things either. When Disney did Princess and the Frog, and Winnie the Pooh, most animators refused the new pimped out ToonBoom software Disney gave them, because they'd rather draw pen&paper.

>>155435198
>t. american
Don't forget to gurgle it down with a can of Coca-Cola™, friend.

>>155434562
If they do long ass anime about Romance of Three Kingdoms, it's gonna be better then Legend of Galatic Heroes. Japan defated with one show, here we go.

>>155435300
I disagree. It's the opposite.

Maybe anime is failing because you pirate it instead of supporting it. Maybe if you actually had the decency to pay for what you take instead of being a cyber thief the studios could afford to pay their staff more. Just a thought.

>>155435318
Actually a yuropoor.

>>155435219
You see this is where something magical called GLOBALIZATION happens.
You always find people desperate enough to work for breadcrumbs. Especially when you create them.

>>155434834
> do earn a lot from being a seiyuu itself.
If you in top 100 of seiyuu

>>155428658
This is the future we deserve

>>155435213
>Animators earn only about $2,300 a month
>only $2,300
I literally never earned more than €1,100.

Have these nips never heard of sharing an apartment or live with parents to save rent money?

>>155435249
It still is a necessary position for young animators to hone their drawing speed and skills but the problem is it takes some time for them to get good to be promoted to doing key animation. Just a year of doing inbetweens can take its toll on youngsters with little to no savings. It's only the really good ones that get to rise through the ranks quickly or in some cases like Bahi JD, go straight to key animation.

>>155435294
According to the OP article they are only making 12 eps of SnK due to WIT studio heavy workload.
So who exactly is producing more anime when the production staff is stagnant right now?

>>155435354
>Have these nips never heard of sharing an apartment or live with parents to save rent money
That's what a lot of them already do.

>>155435320
except there was a bunch of RoTK related anime already

>>155429526
>Original anime have been shit lately
It's because of money, i think. Now it's much more important to produce mediocre garbage every season than make something good and original once in decade. Look at american tv shows - almost every popular show was made by someone(i'm talking about original idea) who made next to nothing besides that show, but that one show was enough to make kind of fortune. If concept of developing one anime for 5-10 years will be profitable then we will get original masterpieces instead of ads for LN/manga or something like Mayoiga.

>>155435354
¥2,300 YEN in USD is about $20

You cannot live in Toyko, one of the most expensive citys on earth, for $20 a month. That's why they outsource to Koreans and Chinamen who can afford to live on that

>>155435320
Only if they make Caocao the protag.

>>155435373
Because the industry is flushed with cash, which tips the viability calculus, and more projects are getting greenlit. Most studios are seeing increasing workload, and many former subcontracting studios are moving up to head line projects in its own right.

/1d100

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There are a small handful of lucky bastards who do get to make close to $100,000 a year though but these guys are industry legends who almost exclusively work on movies.

>>155435330
That's bullshit considering that legit streaming has brought the majority of the record income for anime this year.

>>155435337
Then you're even more retarded.

>>155435373
WIT studio is shit and was from begining. Your point?

>>155435462
Nah. With how much the gubmint takes from me they should be sending civil servants to suck my dick three times a week.

I'll move eventually though. Fuck Europe.

>all this talk about Kyoani being self-sufficient to such a degree
Isn't Production I.G. also doing roughly the same thing?

>>155435410
They get paid 2300 dollars, not 20 dollars, retard.
2300 yen is pocket change.
>>155435375
Food is cheap as fuck in Tokyo, what the fuck are they spending their money on?

>>155428607
KyoAni is doing better than ever. If shitty studious, making shitty anime, perish, then that is all for the better.

>>155435190
it actually is, just not that often used and is not as evident

>>155428607
>meanwhile Kemono Friends is #1
obviously this turn of events implies a reform will occur within the industry, not a collapse. Japan is bad at business but they're probably not dumb enough to reject welcoming change vs continuing treating animators like slaves and facing an inevitable negativity in their production outputs and income while simultaneously increasing the cost of supplying that means of production

>>155428658
that or we enter the Chinese part of this timeline considering they're already exploiting dumb niggers hard, something the West and allies can't do anymore because its politically incorrect

>>155435491
There are no places as civilized as europe in the world, whether you like it or not.

>>155435503
Production IG aka nowaydays Fujoshi IG is shit that uses a lot of outsourcing, had to change ownership and get bought up and reformed and nowadays just churns low quality shit and milks the daugther studios.

So its more like A-1 atm.

>>155435511
Beats me, but anyway it's usually the junior animators that can't cope with the low salaries. Experienced animators can earn enough to put a roof over their heads. For them, it's the stress of working that may get them to quit the industry.

>>155435476
Exactly what I was implaying. It seems like it is a studio problem taking on more low paying project that they can handle. In a supply and demand market, wages will always go up due to the shortage of staff.

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>>155435320
They did, and apparently it wasn't very good.

Nice Japanese OP by Sasaki though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVoKPIlylek

The best ROTK from China is pretty much the 2010 tv series in my opinion.

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>>155428607
Fucking SnK babbies, my favourite anime will never get a second season, deal with your 12 episodes cunts.

Also, some more shit to discuss on:

http://www.someanithing.com/1

This links you to a sortable table of series that had sold more than 10000 copies in average sales.

2016 has had the least shows that belong to the 10k List.

>>155435543
Shit, so that means Kyoani is the only one with such a level of self-sustainability.

>>155435548
>In a supply and demand market, wages will always go up due to the shortage of staff.
The thing is, it hasn't really gone up for decades. Studios probably don't earn much from their contracted work.

>>155435539
I work in the center of one of Europe's capitals. Every day I walk home and see people vomiting, pissing in street corners throwing trash wherever they please. I see immigrants sleeping right on the central square because there's vents that make it warm. I get harassed by NGO drones and beggars 3-5 times a day.

It's disgusting, it's fucking disgusting. Civilized my ass. Fuck Europe, fuck democracy, fuck the Enlightenment. I wish these people were exterminated.

>>155435543
>milks the daugther studios.

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Urobutcher was right
Puppets are the future

>>155435548
Wit`s first anime was SnK. Anything but "law paying".

The issue was they are new studio with little own proffesional stuff and very dependent on outsourcing. Having all the necessary money and funding, they still fucked up SnK because of scheduling and production issues and simple fact they failed to recruit animators for the project since no one wanted to work for them for such low pay and tiring project. They were recruiting on twitter ffs.

WIT is Productions IG studio created for "mainstream/blockbuster" projects. Thankfully it gains experience so improves bit by bit.

>>155435390
I love one from 90s, but it's not complete story.

>>155435573
A small correction:

>2016 has had the least shows that belong to the 10k List.
That's since 2007.

>>155435535
Seems like what they did will really shake up the industry. 5animators, probably all in-house. Don't even sell BD, selling them as book instead.

I think the BD method isn't just working anymore. Disc sales mean nothing nowadays.

>>155435544
>the stress of working that may get them to quit the industry.
I can understand this. No one with this low grade responsibility and pay should be asked to work more than the regular 8 hours.

>>155435259
Nobody uses cels anymore, and literally everyone uses filters when blending backgrounds and characters, KyoAni just uses them a bit more than other studios. The fact that they manage to make it look beautiful and not out of place just means that they're good at it.

>>155435613
Who controls NUT?

>>155435573
It also had the most shows total dividing the sales between

>>155435617
Yokoyama Mitsuteru.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsuteru_Yokoyama

>>155435590
>hurr why is everything shit even though I don't make anything to make things better? I even pay taxes!
Yeah, fuck the future.
Retard.
You're welcome to fuck off with that attitude.

>>155435675
Founded by an ex-Madhouse producer who worked on Death Parade. That's why you can see some staff who worked on that show appear on Youjo Senki. Hell, the producer even got Death Parade's director to direct the second last episode.

>>155435573
>Shit, so that means Kyoani is the only one with such a level of self-sustainability.
What does financial sustainability matter? KyoAni is not the only one - KyoAni is the only real independent. Others have sponsors, are daugher of corporations or live form project to project which is also fine.

Good initiative was one started by Anime Savior Yamakan to Save Anime - aka creation of Ultra super pictures company created to promote new anime studios and give them environment of artistic freedom. Thus we have Sanzigen, Liden Films, Trigger, Ordet. Plus Trigger gained some experience financing own anime by foreign investments and kickstarter.

Plus, Kyoani by all the greatness is SUBPAR in resources to REAL heavyweight anime studios - Sunrise, Toei, Pierrot even, A-1 and some cases inferior to Madhouse, Mappa, Bones etc.

Because KyoAni with its model is perfect for making its own TV stuff in great quality and consistency. But for example KyoAni simply CANT make a real high budget blockbuster anime movie that would really look rich - nor Silent Voice nor Disappearance, while being great visually cant compete with stuff Sunrise, Toei or even Madhouse can make.

>>155435709
Oh, I will.

>>155434810
Isn't $9,400 dollars high ? or is this yearly or something ?

I blame Tezuka. Animators in same point deserved their shit salary. They're spineless. They will work for food and it's easy for sponsors to abuse them.

>>155434316
>>155434560
Dont pretend japanese stories are any better

>>155435735
Sure, Kyoani movies aren't on the same level as a Ghibli, Hosoda, or flaghsip Production I.G. movies but other than that I'd say they compete well with the top-tier productions of other established studios.

>>155435787
What do you mean? do you only read jap shounen shit or what?

>>155435787
If chink shit is so good why does they need to ripoff nip shit?

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>even Ghibli has problem with finances

>>155435787
>waaahhh japan is not any better please stop hurting us chinky

>>155428607
Thank God, anime will be dead. Now, we can return to our normal, productive lives.

>>155435834
Who is the yakuza in ghibli?

>>155435787
They are.

And this is not coming from a westerner.

I'm a chink myself.

>>155435879
Seconding.

>>155429382
>complains about social inequality or random shit
>cannot even spell Filipino right

>>155428607
Meanwhile, all is well and peaceful in Kyoani.

Speaking more seriously, the industry needs to cut down on the number of shows they make per season. Quality over quantity works better now that the disk sales model is in decline.

>>155435829
>If chink shit is so good why does they need to ripoff nip shit?
That guy's an idiot, but nips did start by ripping chink animation first.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Iron_Fan_(1941_film)

>Its influences were far-reaching; it was swiftly exported to wartime Japan (in 1942), inspiring the 16-year-old Tezuka Osamu to become a comics artist and prompting the Japanese Navy to commission Japan's own first feature-length animated film, 1945's Momotaro's Divine Sea Warriors (the earlier film Momotaro's Sea Eagles is three minutes shy of being feature-length).

>>155435511
>Food is cheap as fuck in Tokyo, what the fuck are they spending their money on?

I would think they were chipping in on electricity, gas, internet, and other amenities.

>>155428607
Crunchyroll will save anime.

>>155435829
Chinese animation used to be good but then the revolution happened and ruined everything.

>>155435949
Pretty much this.

>>155435879
>>155435894
Toshio Suzuki is the producer there, but I'm not sure if he's the guy being referred to.

The Wan family twins Wan Laiming and Wan Guchan with their brothers Wan Chaochen and Wan Dihuan were the first animators in China. After the release of their first "real" cartoon, Uproar in the Studio (1926), they continued to dominate China's animation industry for the next several decades. In the late 1930s, with Shanghai under Japanese occupation, they began work on China's first feature-length animated film. In 1939 the Wan brothers saw Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs and set the standard in attempting to create a film of equal quality for the nation's honor.
The film took three years, 237 artists and 350,000 yuan to make. Although the Disney influence is apparent in much of the animation, there is also a distinct Chinese flavor in the film- a flavor that would grow much stronger with the Wan brothers' subsequent films in the following decades. Rotoscoping was used extensively to save money, and the eyes of the live actors are often visible in the faces of the animated characters.

By 1940 the film would render past 20,000 frames, using up more than 200 thousand pieces of paper (400ream＝500×400). They shot over 18,000 ft (5,500 m) of footage. And the final piece would contain 7,600 ft (2,300 m) of footage which can be shown in 80 minutes. The Wan brothers also invited the following actors and actresses for sound dubbing (白虹),(严月玲),(姜明),(韩兰根),(殷秀岑). At the time they were at the Xinhua Film Company animation department since it was the only remaining production company left during the period of the Japanese occupation. The manager of the company who help financed the film was Zhang Shankun.
Princess Iron Fan became the first animated feature film to be made in China and the 12th worldwide (although it is only the 9th that still survives, as the films of Argentina's animation pioneer Quirino Cristiani are thought to be lost). Upon completion the film was screened by the Chinese union film company.

China has an animation history.

>>155435913
Well I would spend lots of money on hot water myself but everything else?

Anyone knows what are the costs of living in Tokyo?

>>155435990
Toshio Suzuki is retired.
If it is not Miyazaki, Isao Takahata?

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>>155435949
Wan Guchan, of the Wan Brothers and one of the animators of the feature film Princess Iron Fan, began planning the production of Havoc in Heaven after its release in 1941. However, the project was delayed for over a decade after the Japanese capture of Shanghai during the Second Sino-Japanese War, and later by the Chinese Civil War.
Wan Laiming returned to Shanghai as director of Shanghai Animation Film Studio in 1954, and production of Havoc in Heaven resumed shortly thereafter. The first part of the film was completed in 1961 by Wan Laiming and Wan Guchan. The second part was completed in 1964 with the assistance of Wan Chaochen and Wan Dihuan. Both parts of the film were screened together for the first time in 1965. This was the last major animated film of the Second Golden Era of Cinema of China. A year later, the entire industry was effectively shut down by the Cultural Revolution.

>>155436027
Ah, I forgot Suzuki stepped down. It can't be Takahata, he's too nice. It's probably one of the producers for sure, they'd have all the power over the creative staff and run the business side of the studio.

>chink chong will ruin this thread
China don't have so much pro animators. Same problem with Russia. No one can teach others.

>>155428607
>Let's bombard the market with retarded cancerous LN/Manga/Mobage advert
>Oh look! We don't have any animators anymore

Might as well kill the entire industry or let our Netflix/Amazon overlords take hold of this cancerous industry.

>>155436027
>>155435990
Gotta be someone else.

>>155436103
>let our Netflix/Amazon
And this is actually good thing according to japanese animators

That reminds me, when Tattsun came here for the Q&A he mentioned something about most of the money for the BDs going to the BD producers, and that there was no way to actually give your money directly to the people working on the anime at the studio.
The problem is that all the money goes mostly to these middlemen, producers and whatnot. What Romain said in that article is bullshit, buying BDs won't improve the animators' conditions one bit.

>>155435330
Miles, who let you out of cage? Go back to twitter

>>155428607
Here's a solution: Cut off all those shitty Manga Time Kirara and LN adaptations.

>>155436142
To be fair, maybe Satellight has things working a bit differently since they're a more established studio. Also, Romain is an artist, not a producer so his insight into the business aspect won't be as good as a production assistant's.

>>155435198
hahaha, what the fuck

>>155436037
>This was the last major animated film of the Second Golden Era of Cinema of China. A year later, the entire industry was effectively shut down by the Cultural Revolution.
Fucking retarded commies.

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Bahi is right. Animators need to stand up for themselves.

>>155436237
Thank God. Finally, there would be a reason to stop watching anime.

>>155435259
>They still use cel animation
No they don't. No one does. They do digital compositing just like everyone else. You have no idea what you're talking about, pretty much.

The end of anime, a Hayao Miyazaki production


Well guess we will see the rebirth of anime sooner.

>>155434801
Honestly, if nothing else this is just normalization. People tend to forget what insane hours animators are expected to have and basically work themselves to death. Manga industry is also suffering from the same problem.

>>155436203
A real shame.

For 1960s standards, that movie looked pretty good and vibrant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikfn94UFIVU

>>155435259
>Trigger is different.
>They still use cel animation and are adamant about doing only originals.
Why do you lie? Trigger adapted a random LN with Saori Hayami's scene being the only noteworthy thing on it. Only KyoAni does their own thing.

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>>155435078
not really because the answer is to scale BACK to manageable number of shows each season

>>155436203
A real shame.

For 1960s standards, that movie looked pretty good and vibrant.

English subs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu0XosgxCyU

>>155436142
>most of the money for the BDs going to the BD producers, and that there was no way to actually give your money directly to the people working on the anime at the studio.
Were people really so retarded that they thought animation studios directly profit from BD sales?

>>155435218
That article is socialist propaganda. That animator is a well known leftist cuck. Don't pay attention to it.

>>155436224
Are there even unions in Japan? Fucking third world country.

>>155436312
I love Japan. Unions are for commies and should be smashed.

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>animation will be dead in 2030

>>155436312
Artists don't unionize, anon. It's the same problem with video games.

>>155435373
The guy in the article is a propagandist. He has no idea why the new season is 12 episodes only. He's just pushing his pet "cause".

>>155436308
Bet you feel really smart posting that /pol/ falseflagging reddit friend.

>>155436312
They have unions.
But animators aren't organized in unions because multiple reasons

>>155436297
Nah, the answer is making animators capable of bargaining constituting a union.

>>155436312
>unions
Fuck off commie

>>155436312
They do. A union for animators was also formed in 2007. They've been conducting surveys of industry wages.
http://www.janica.jp/

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>>155436338
No wonder both industries are in a shitty state.

>>155435462
>t. communist retard

>>155436361
>>155436332
>>155436374
>Unions mean communism
Now this is prime Murica

>>155436332
>>155436361
>people being willing to be fucked over because of muh capitalism

>>155436338
As if video games aren't leftshit enough. Fuck them, let them suffer.

It seems like it is working.
WIT wanna outsource to freelancer.
Freelancers said no due to shit pay.
They work for other studio.

What exactly is the problem here? Besides we should be rejoicing that we are getting less SnK. It is just going downhill from here.

At least we still have manga and it almost cost nothing to make.

>>155436302
Well, you see retards telling people to buy BDs instead of complaining about these problems all the time.
The truth is that there's nothing people can do about it, other than not buying BDs of anime made by studios that treat their animators like shit (which is most of them).

>>155436380
The very definition of a cuck basically and it's more funnier when it's their main insult of choice, Freud must be jumping in joy in his grave.

>>155436389
I dropped that show, did they ever move that rock?

>>155435511
For the milionth time, you fell for a leftist agitator's ruse! Japan's animator shortage is due to less people lower birthrate these last couple of decades(). It has nothing to do with wages and "sweatshop" working conditions. There are simply less young people than old people in Japan in general.

THE OP IS LINKING A SOCIALIST PROPAGANDA PIECE. /thread

>>155436415
your post is nazi propaganda m8

>>155436332
>>155436361
>Unions are for commies and should be smashed.
Kill yourselves, uncivilized burgers.
>>155436338
>>155436356
Artists are fucking stupid.
>>155436367
And what have they been doing all this time? Probably they represent only a small percentage of animators and hold no power, knowing nips.

>>155436380
>people willing to suffer higher prices and taxes just because the shiteater classes are butthurt again

>>155436378
I'm a yuropoor

>>155436389
>Besides we should be rejoicing that we are getting less SnK
Why? You want more retarded SoL?

>>155436391
Except the sight and life of mangaka.

>>155436415
Hopefully animators get replaced with robots soon.

>>155435535
No one is treating animators like shit in Japan. They get paid what they deserve. Shit animators get shit pay then whine about it on twitter. Typical SJW stuff.

>>155435911
That why i said why does they need to ripoff nip shit

>>155436439
>Why? You want more retarded SoL?
yes.

>>155436065
He stepped down, but he still works there and is the head honcho.

>>155436404
I think you got the wrong psychoanalyst.
Freud said that everyone wants to fuck their mother and tits are metaphorical dicks.
>>155436431
>Artists are fucking stupid.
Well that's always been the case. Artists just hope that some rich person likes their shit enough to sponsor them for life.

>>155436463
>They get paid what they deserve
Sure. Meanwhile illustrators get paid 800$+ for one picture

>>155436439
Yes? SnK is utter shit compared to most SoLs.

>>155436415
>nips stop procreating because they don't have enough money and time to build a family and women don't wanna build families because muh career
>it's all okay, the system is working, idiot, there just aren't enough young people to satisfy work positions in a society closed to other countries
You can't make this shit up.

The real crime here is anime YouTube's making far more money than any anime animator would hope to make.

>>155436470
Every anime season filled with thousand SoL crap
>>155436497
No. Unless you're autist

>>155436439
>less SnK means more SoL
Your logic is retarded. There's more to anime than SoLs and SnK, faggot.

>labor shortage now exists
>Naturally wages will go up in order to meet labor demand
>Implying this won't be a win win for the industry

>>155436520
>what is sustainability

>>155436463
That's the most retarded thing I've read all day.
Animators get paid like shit because they're stupid and can't sell themselves well as a category of workers.

>>155436526
>unless you're <buzzword>
Mhm.

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>>155429382
don't blame us. well blame us a little bit.

back in the days when Philippines were doing in-betweens in a lot of anime, anime was not that famous, so the people who get into animation are traditional artists. but since the anime boom, most of the animators are self-taught in the ways of anime drawing and have no solid fundamental drawing skills and knowledge about anatomy.

and the wages are still stuck in 80s era.

>>155436526
>Every anime season filled with thousand SoL crap
Oh look it's this bullshit again. And of course, it's SnK defenders making this kind of ignorant claim.

>>155436526
>Every anime season filled with thousand SoL crap
good, let's keep it going.

>>155435834
>female discrimination
Stopped reading there. More confirmation that all this hullabaloo is just SJWs scheming for control in the industry. Fuck 'em.

>>155436493
Nice shitposting friendo

>>155436431
Japanese unions are neutered because of nonconfrotation and collision with industry and management.

>>155436563
>SnK defenders
You mean redditors?

>>155436562
>wages are still stuck in 80s era
It's a similar story in Japan really, wages haven't increased much.

>>155436576
Don't blame me for Freud's fetishes

>>155436538
>There's more to anime than SoLs and SnK, faggot.
harems and isekai
fujoshit

>>155436549
Meant to write YouTuber.

>>155436463
That would be true if they worked 8 hours per day. Idiot.
>>155436554
This.

>>155436571
Didn't notice that. Fully agree. Anything that even mentions 'muh womyn' is instantly dead to me.

Ok I have no fucking insight on the business itself (Wow no shit), you autistic fucks that are more ball deep in that shit.

What a studio needs in terms of structure and how many animators would you need to get something mediocre running?

>>155436563
>SnK defenders
>muh subculture war

>>155436312
Unions are cancer.

>>155436415
>There are simply less young people than old people in Japan in general.

Gee, I wonder if this has anything to do with birth rates

>>155435879
>>155435990
Suzuki seems to be the only person it CAN be. Considering they're talking about a person who has been with the company for a long time.

No wonder everyone is going CGI. No offense to those genuinely enjoy it but it sucks.

>>155436599
Those are the people I meant.
Do you honestly think that "market" is sustainable?

>>155436622
You better believe it Reddit-kun

>>155436594
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

>in b4 muh wikipedia

>>155436645
>muh redditor boogieman

>>155436620
An episode of anime is typically 250-350 cuts, plus about 4k frames of in-between.

An average key animator can do 2-3 cuts a day. An in between can make 10 to 20 frames. So a typical episode takes about 100 key animator work days, plus 200 in-between work days. That's just a the line arts.

>>155436571
Typical first world babbie that thinks every place on earth is like his town.
No one likes sjw here but working in a company founded by elderly nips sure as hell isn't paradise for young women.

>>155436584
well, also the keyframes given to us are kinda shit.

there's too little keyframes so inbetweening was a bitch, compared to working in Tooncity (studio for Direct to video Disney movies) inbetweening was easy because there's enough keyframes to work on.

But yes, a gig on drawing Wattpad romance novels being published pays more than doing key animation here, that's why it sucks.

>>155436598
You do know SnK fall under fujoshit right? It is probably the reason why it isn't doing so hot right now since they killed off Levi and pissed off the huge fujoshit fanbase.

>>155436518
Nips stopped procreating when the pill was introduced and women were "emancipated" by law. Don't blame capitalism for what your SJW communist bullshit has wrought.

Who need good animation when anime with bad animation like Konosuba sell and anime with good animation like Flip Flappers flop hard.

>>155436620
Studios are normally set up by producers. Admin staff aside, having a bunch of animators would be enough to get a subcontractor type of studio up and running. They won't be able to make their own show, but are capable of helping out with inbetwens and/or key animation.

>>155436671
It's not a bogieman though. If you look at the Steins;Gate thread, there's people openly admitting to being redditors for example.

>>155436638
More sustainable than animators, at least. Millennials love YouTube and will always provide he views, that's not even considerig the substantial Patreon donations.

>>155430248
In Japan's industry, more 'yes' than 'no'. We all know they are worked to the bone, but that's just one part of the triple combo.
It's not only an underpaid, overworked work force, but a lot of them aren't very skilled to begin with and usually aren't invested in what they are working on. It's clones of clones what are made most of the time, and the company basically prays for their shit anime to earn.
Here's where the 'no' part comes in. The money men also don't see much money. They get scraps of the 'boar' too, with their clones of clones; not wanting to take the risk of making something bold when making some generic clone is sure to at least break even.
It would be corporate greed if their workforce could sustain a living, but at this point, with how notoriously stretched it all is, it's more like corporate desperation than greed.

Think of the boar hunt analogy you made. It's close, but it's more like, they wait for a lightning storm and hide and pray really hard that a stray thunderbolt both hits and cooks the boar for them.

>>155428658
that would honestly make annie may quality shittier. We know the working ethics of Chinks; the dont have one

>>155436578
Yeah, figured as much.
>>155436629
>t. 16yo

>>155436687
>there's too little keyframes so inbetweening was a bitch, compared to working in Tooncity (studio for Direct to video Disney movies) inbetweening was easy because there's enough keyframes to work on.

This is an interesting point, and something that I never thought about. The Japanese approach of limited animation means you guys have much less key poses to draw from. That's pretty demanding, not to mention how anime designs tend to be pretty complicated.

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More like they probably thought they could do 12 episodes of SnK and just expect to rake in the money because it's SnK.

>>155436494
Yes. That has nothing to do with anything here. Typical. /a/nons have no idea how the industry works and get baited by SJW nonsense. Keep your cancer ideology in the US where it belongs.

>>155436696
I fucking hate this so much. Animation is a visual medium first and foremost.

>>155436554
Animators get paid what they deserve.

>>155436494
>what is supply and demand

>>155436695
>you must be 18 to post on this site

>>155436620
All you need is one industry veteran with a resume and connections. The other roles can be filled by contract workers as-needed.

Anime studios exist to negotiate for new projects. Otherwise, they do whatever fits the needs of the specific project. Two shows made by the same studio might have zero staff in common.

>>155436696
>Konosuba
>Flip Flappers
You baiting, right?

>>155436716
There is actually no way for that modell to be sustainable for ~20 years.
And that's not even half of a worklife.
And why are you saying animation isn't sustainable? The pay is shit but the market will persist or even grow through expansion into other countries.
>>155436695
>I have no clue about history and get all my information from /pol/

>>155436764
You're in the minority. Eat shit.

>>155436764
Anime is a multimedia medium. it doesn't rest on a single thing. Hell Eva's tv ending will forever be remembered for what they pulled off with barely any animation.

>>155436797
>>155436812
Fuck off Redditsuba and Kememe Furries.

>>155436696
Konosuba was more experimental with facial expression than Flip Flappers could ever hope to be.

>>155436735
>>155436783
>>155436792
Yes, you can't argue with facts so you retort to plugging your ears and crying about the /pol/ bogeyman instead.

>>155436823
I think you have no idea what "experimental" means, anon.

>>155436470
>>155436497
>>155436558
>>155436563
>>155436568
Oh look it's the moeshit defense force
No other group on this board gets more easily offended

Maybe anime isn't that worth buying anymore.

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>>155436361
>Defending your rights is communism
Fuck off coproratecuck

>>155436702
>>155436675

So basically you have this "Contractor" the guy who pitch the work, then you have this shit load of animation studios that are trying to cannibalize each other in order to get the contract while keeping a low attractive price?

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

As for the cuts, interesting lets see so probably what is happening is they are reducing the ideal 100 to something like 50-75 and forcing the animators to work enough to produce 4-5 cuts a day? Or 3 is like the limit that a human can bear?

>>155436696
You clearly don't understand the difference between drawing and animating if you think Konosuba was poorly animated.

>>155436770
>working 12 hours a day
>basic salary and no overtime is what they deserve when they don't even get time to have a life

>>155436792
Sustainable as in the job is worth the humanity in doing, not sustainable as in the job will necessarily be available in he future. Of course animators have a far longer history as a job market than YouTuber!

The problem with animator addressed here is there are plenty of job openings, just the pay is shit and demeaning and there are no out in sight.

>>155436841
Rights are a communist fiction. People don't have enough in common to have equal rights.

>>155436839
as long as IK get my moe I don't care.

>>155436835
>Bogeyman
Is he good at golf?

>>155436520
>>155436599
Well, we live in a nidicolous times of postmodern, shit like this is everywhere

>>155436841
>unions are about defending your rights, not fucking you in the ass with bureaucratic nonsense
Fuck off you socilaist scum. Unions are a literal cancer. All socialists need to die. Fucking lazy parasites.

>>155436852
>b-but muh poor plebs

>>155436696
>flip floppers
>good animation

they really needed much more work to achieve what they aimed for. what they had shown us is the bare minimum of watchability. same thing happened to kill la kill.

>>155428607
No that's cool, just stop training animators, scheduling properly and giving them real pay. Just keep hiring those talentless CGshit hacks and killing the medium. No one really cares about animation anyways.

>>155436859
By that logic, "deserve" is fiction too.

>>155436845
Yeah, the studios are pitch budget proposal to committee putting together a production. Here is an old example of said proposal
http://bakudon.net/news/2008/02/27/financials-heaven-hell-reality-three-looks-at-the-business-of-animation-production-part-3-an-examination-of-the-production-costs-of-bamboo-blade

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>>155436841
>rights
>real

dont be swallowed by the SPOOK. That's false consciousness

>>155434953
All of them are b actors if you want to be generous, who gives a fuck about any of them?

>>155436885
It is. Nobody deserves shit. "Deserve" itself really means fuck all.

>>155436696
>flipflop
See >>155435117
Should have hired a few competent writer and a better director instead.

>>155436852
Yes, they get paid what they deserve you SJW. Your whining will never change that. Go ruin some other industry with your parasitism. Preferably one in the US. We must keep this disease quarantined.

>>155436845
Reducing cuts is why we saw such a explosive growth in anime shorts under 10 minutes long.

>>155436859
>>155436879
>>155436888
see >>155436380 >>155436404

>>155436886
Thanks I will read it carefully.

>>155436853
>Sustainable as in the job is worth the humanity in doing,
Oh well looks like we used completly different interpretations of sustainable

>>155436845
You can't just tell animators to draw faster, most are already drawing their physical limits, which is why they are forced to work longer 80 hour weeks instead.

There are legendary key animators that could do 5 cuts a day, shirobako even referenced the exact legends because of how rare that is.

>>155434538
You're right and wrong though.
Weebs shouldn't complain about CG. They should complain if it's bad of course, but that's the same with anything. The notion of CG being a death knell comes from inexperienced CG artists and animators who have previously made a dog's breakfast of their shows, like you imply.
But saying 2D is no longer profitable is straight up false when 2D animations the world over are being exactly: profitable. What makes the anime industry stand out in this case is, of course, what were all here to talk about. Poor work conditions, biting off more projects than the companies can chew, it's little wonder 2D anime production could be considered 'unprofitable'.

>Buy 200000 tomatoes in bulk.
>Try to sell them at a profit before they go rotten.

>>155436845
You might find this animator interview of relevance since we're on the topic of cuts.

http://www.pelleas.net/aniTOP/index.php/toshiyuki_inoue_interview
http://www.pelleas.net/aniTOP/index.php/toshiyuki_inoue_interview_part_2

It's an interview with one of the industry's best animators.

>>155435218
>How come salary isn't going up due to shortage of staff? The job market is always based on supply and demand.

Hahahaha

Seriously? Careers are literally the least elastic part of the economy. Someone who dreams of being a key animator isn't going to leave the industry for a season because they couldn't get better than the industry standard wage.

>>155437011
>aniTOP
Wow, that's a name I haven't heard for a long one.

The ultimate goal of society and mankind is to achive a state where no one has to work to live and everyone can dedicate his time to become a better person and ignorants are still arguing people don't "deserve" basic rights and spout nonsense like calling everyone who thinks there are living standards a "commie", "leftie", "cuck" or "socialist".

Arabs are already at that point, even though they don't have the sensibility to achieve the ultimate goal, but that's a different matter.

>>155435330
I dont get how these faggots justify theft. Like seriously

>>155437051
Society and species are not teleological concepts, m8. Your 'ultimate goal' is not my 'ultimate goal'

>>155437051
That's bullshit from start to finish. You belong in a ditch.

The only reason there is an animator shortage in Japan is its general demographic trend: falling birthrates after the 1960s. This whole thing is a bundle of bullshit, made up first-world problems.

>>155436678
Wow, nice projection there, anon.
I am sure you are the authority on elderly nips, seeing that you never met them, talk to them or have ever associate with any of them.

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>>155437051
>The ultimate goal of society
Hold me

>>155436936
No you see if the enemy is for something you have to be against it.
Just completly ignore the reason that social security was implemented first was to stave off socialist/worker's revolutions.
Just ignore that unions strengthen the position of worker's in comparison to their bosses who'd rather import slaves who do it for free.
There's only black and white
>>155436956
Well you clearly don't understand how taxes work.

>>155434538
>>155437002

Speaking of KF. We really can't compare it to your standard anime and it's studio. I think it's closer to this cute little projects that make the normalfags go "so cute, we should support this." I don't watch it but I think it has that Doraemon/casual crowd. Ugly ass full CG anime won't take over anytime soon.

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I think we should leave the non-anime politics out of thread.

>>155437108
Some people say that it's not really a shortage in animators but instead a sudden upsurge of anime projects.

Shows are really produced one after the other with most studios helpless in not giving their animators enough time to rest between projects.

>>155437108
SHhhhhhh.......
Don't let these leafs and burgers know that their life is so empty that they are forced to invent problems to solve to make their life worth living.
Just like how their leaders invent wars for themselves to end.

>>155437130
Of course it's not like I actually had to do taxes or anything. Fucking underage retard.

>>155435755
It's yearly. It's written gigantic on top

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>>155437011
>>155436980
I'm trying to understand where they are cutting to mitigate the costs. So far they make the animators work 12 hours per day with weekends included.

Guess we can throw in the equation old work equipment too?

Also checking the Bamboo blade, given how QUALITY has been showing they are probably jumping process of checking if the animation is all right or not.


“We normally pay around \3,500 for a combined cut, but \4,000 is about right for this. It used to be a good way to make money, with a good worker able to pump out about 100 a month, but recently, the amount of detail has made it more like 50. A lot of higher-level staff also do this in spare time.” (Namiki)

Now this an interesting quote from the interview.

>>155437152
> most studios helpless
No one is forcing studios to get more projects. No one is forcing animators to be animators. This whole thing is fucking bullshit.

Jesus fuck instead of swallowing the /pol/ sperg at least stay on topic or get the fuck out, are the mods asleep?

>>155437161
Tell me more about the "straight white male tax".
You're earning more than the rest so you're paying more than the rest.
The system behind progressive taxation is good. Whether the actual rates are good or should be lower/higher is a completly different matter

>>155437206
remove /pol/ from this site

>>155437199
Of course nobody's forcing them, but do they understand this?

>>155437199
>nobody's forcing you to work
>you could just chose to starve to death

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>>155430156
So, Kemono Friends?

>>155437093
Yes, it is, even though you're too ignorant to understand it.
Being humans a rational species there can be only a natural direction for it.
>>155437107
No, it's not.

>>155437002
People absolutely should complain about CG. It's an insult to anime and needs to fuck off. There's no such thing as good CG anime.

>>155437180
>I'm trying to understand where they are cutting to mitigate the costs.
By keeping salaries low of course, though that's partly because studios aren't getting paid much for their work either . Also, if they hire freelancers they won't have to pay for employee benefits like healthcare.

>>155437214
It's not just that. Women benefit from my money more in terms of healthcare. Immigrants and minorities benefit while often not contributing at all.

Fuck the progressive tax. I'm an educated professional, I don't give two fucks about the proletariat scum. Your "egalitarian" system has zero benefits for me.

>>155437256
>a position as animator is the only available job in the whole of Japan
Fuck me SJWs are so fucking stupid.

>>155437199
Newer studios need more entries for their portfolios.
More established studios need to have their employees "well-oiled".
Dying studios are desperate for more things to do before they file for bankruptcy.

This I agree tho:
>This whole thing is fucking bullshit.
There is something wrong with the very system anime is produced in.

>>155437180
Before the Moe and hd eta, character designs are much less detailed. You can see the hold overs like doreamon, sazee-san. Even though they take longer to draw, pay rate stayed the same because studios can't raise their budget proposal without a lot of clot.

>>155437283
I know you're shitposting but the fact that there are people who sincerely think this way is quite unsettling.