I think when people hear the name Mari Okada, it gonna be synonymous

OORRRRUUUPPHHHAAANSSS NAMIDA

How bad is this show? I watched the first episode when it started airing and was too bored to continue.

>>155412615
>This show is Gundam in name only. it divulges from what actually is a Gundam show, and for the worst.

You sound like the dumbasses who complained Gundam 00 S1 wasn't Gundam enough, so they doubled down on dumb Gundamisms in S2 and look how that turned out.

There's enough Gundam being Gundam out there. Let it different creators try different things with the franchise.

SEED is good

>>155412844
>Strangely enough, I liked it despite the MCs get ded ending. I kinda figured that this was the Gundam where the writers asked "What if the Gundam and its group gets defeated for good, and they die? Will anything good come out of it?" It is a different take compared to the usual Gundam show, but it's a good one IMO. Probably still one of the black sheep of the franchise, but still a worthy entry.

>>155412884
This. And so is Destiny

>>155412844
I agree for the most part it was always a Gundam from the perspective of the merc group that would usually be a minor/mid level element in any other series

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>>155412615
> getting upset over a childrens show yet still watching all 50 episodes because " reasons"

>>155412797
At least IBO had the best ED in the entire franchise

>>155412872
Ironically enough the first three or so episodes were the only decent ones of season 1. Season 2 has been a clusterfuck where basically nothing the protagonists did mattered.
Go watch something fun like 00 or G Gundam instead.

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>>155412615
>I think when people hear the name Mari Okada, it gonna be synonymous with trash
Lupin fans knew this already

>>155413049
All of the OP/ED were on point

>>155412872
A lot of nothing happens then there's a decent battle where the story progresses, then more nothing happens. If the show was condensed to 24 episodes it would have been pretty decent.

>>155412844
It felt more like they were going a certain way with S2 then part way through figured out it wasn't going to go into season 3 so they decided to kill everyone off to wrap shit up.

>>155413102
Season two had two high points
The mobile armor battle which ended up being a big waste of time in the story as it fulfilled no purpose, and killing Jizzly, that was a good episode.

>>155413049
Wait never mind, I just remembered G NO RECONGUISTAAAAAAAAAAA

She also did the DTB second season, didn't she?
What a bitch.

>>155412615

>I think when people hear the name Mari Okada, it gonna be synonymous with trash.

That's been the case for a while. I can't think of any other anime staff that instantly makes large swaths of people feel dread.

>>155412933
>What if the Gundam and its group gets defeated for good, and they die
>What is Zeta?

>>155413496
Did she? If so, why does she still have a job? Should have been booted from the industry after that.

>>155413012
I've watched every other gundam, I'm not going to stop now, I persevered through Seed, Destiny and Age, I'm not going to be hindered by something like this
that said
IBO is fucking awful

>>155413623
IIRC, Zeta's group actually won their battle even tho the MC got brain-zapped.

Barbatos' group flat-out lost in the end, even though their non-pilot staff managed to get away safely.

>>155413627
She should be booted after ruining Gundam, IBO had all the fucking makings of being one of the best in the series, and she fucked it all up.

The plot(beginning)
The characters
The premise

She needs to get the same treatment as the guy who directed Aldnoah Zero. Go on Hiatus for 2 years because no one will hire you, and watch your 2017 resurgence flop.

>>155413727
Aldnoah had so much going for it, too. Sigh.

>>155413727
>The characters
I'd argue that no character really had any character other than atra
everyone else just did things as the plot demanded
especially the last half of the last episode when they just decide they're good guys now and they like people and things are fine because we can't end with a sad "the empire marches on" note

>>155413603
>large swaths of people
It's just a few memers on /a/ and /m/

I warned people about Okada but homos on this board told me how great she is and that Hanasaku Iroha, True Tears, AnoHana, etc. are all masterpieces, that I had never watched an Okada show and was memeing, that I had shit taste, that Mayoiga was actually good because it's a comedy....

Fuck all of you.

>>155413496
>>155413627
According to ANN she is only credited for a few episodes, she probably had little to no involvement in writing the overall story.

>>155413909

>series composer

>>155413823
Yea I'm not touching anymore of her stuff after this.
She really but women two steps back.

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>>155413823
>People tried to convince others that Mayoiga was a comedy and all of the bullshit was intentional

>>155412615

SEED was much better than IBO by default for having an opening by T.M Revolution.

IBO didn't have a single good OP/ED, SPYAIR's felt more like incoherent noise than an actual music.

Nah

IBO is probably top 3 for gundam AUs

its just that most of them are p. terrible

>>155413909
Oh, that explains it, then.

Because whoever fucked up DTB doesn't belong in the industry at all, seriously.

>>155413727
No the industry loves Okada too much. Literally everything she does aside from ano hana has under-performed or flopped. Though the dude who did aldnoah has a guaranteed hit with the idolshit show they are doing probably in or next spring.

>>155413823
mayoiga wasn't as bad as people were implying it was
which is for the worse
if it was a trainwreck, it might've been somewhat fun, but it was plainly just not good and everyone was touting it as a horrible fuck up trainwreck, when mostly it was just boring

>>155413715
Most of their pilots were dead, incapacitated or missing. All that remained of their fleet was the damaged Argama. They beat the Titans, but Axis was the only real winner. In ZZ it kinda gets better, but you're essentially just watching Anaheim Electronics private special ops unit try and fail to resist Zeon (see:Dublin) until Glemy starts a civil war and Neo Zeon mostly kills each other off. AEUG also failed in its goal to get more autonomy to the Spacenoids and move political power to space, which is why CCA ends up happening. Zeta's end is a complete and utter loss for the AEUG (don't accomplish their goals and most of their organization is destroyed) and they never truly recover

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>>155414008
>everyone had fun with Mayoiga while it was airing
>then everyone decided it was fake fun and the show didn't mean to do it

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>Watch a show with a meme director like Okada or Urobuchi
>Get a bad show

Wow, was that so hard to understand?

>>155412872
I would not say it's horrible but most of the plot feels like it's fucking pointless.
S1 was alright with being an escort mission, a bit too drawn out, but alright. Surely S2 must be better? Fuck you, have fuck knows how many episodes of stuff happening that does not matter in the long run at all.

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>>155414128

>>155414008
Mayoiga is satire though.

Is it good? Fuck no.

>>155414128
I didn't have fun
everyone was shitposting like crazy, having fun with the shitposting, but not realizing that they were shitposting about a boring show

>>155414256
samurai flamenco was genuinely great though
I don't mean this as a trainwreck thing, it's just a poorly constructed rollercoaster that has too many wicked sharp turns

>>155414264

This. Like that whole "Rangers" posting joke. Why was that even funny?

>>155412615
For god's sake, fuck off, /m/. You're pathetic.

>>155414088
I guess it's a case of winning the battle but losing the war in Zeta, then.

If that's the case, you could say IBO was the opposite; Tekkadan lost the final big battle, but managed to find places to live for those that survived (which was mostly their objective anyway).

What went wrong with Aldnoah Zero? Only caught two episodes but didn't have the time for more that season.

>>155412615
>literally almost as bad as GSD
Thanks Okada.
>>155412878
Hi Okada.

>>155414422

S1 was okay, S2 started strong but went to shit and the ending was even worse than IBO's

There is literally nothing wrong with SEED

However Destiny is trash

>>155414594
>apes both Wing and 0079
>has no identity of its own
>recycled stock footage fights
>HD remaster actually makes Hirai's art style and character designs actually worse
>sub-plot with N-Jammers never really explored
>retarded nihilist big bad Char clone
Seed started okay and got progressively dumber. But was entertaining I guess. Still probably would rank 2000s and onwards Gundam TV shows as:

00 S1 > G-Reco = 00 S2 > Seed > GBF > AGE > GBF Try > Seed-Destiny = IBO.

>>155412615
>"Using that technique could destroy you!" cliché
>The madman uses it
>Is actually destroyed by it

There were a lot of asspulls but if there's one thing IBO did well it was press the theme that kids playing at war don't get out that easy. A lot of this felt like stabs at things like SEED, a series with a bunch of teenage gebius pilots that survive the unsurvivable (mostly Kira).

Instead it took child soldiers that wanted to fight a qar to earn the good life and repeatedly brow beat them with "that isn't how the real world ." not always perfectly but generally well done imo.

>>155414422
For me, I just found the show mediocre and boring. It just played by the books and felt really typical and forgettable.

>>155412615
>It divulges from what actually is a Gundam show, and for the worst.

It pisses me off that this sort of complaint is what caused 00 S2 after the fantastic S1 it had.

You want to know what makes a gundam show gundam? The mere detail that there's a mech that's called a gundam.

>>155414720
then don't use fucking gundams ms. okada. Use a different mech, make your fucking own but don't use gundams.

Gundams have a symbolism for a fucking reason. They're meant to represent change and hope.

>>155414594
Flay

Twilight Axis' director (Kim, Se Jun) has some pretty good shows under his belt, I hope it turns out okay at least, IBO left me pretty disappointed.

>>155414834
shut up okada, you're actually telling me that IBO had a good ending. Rustal turning good was the biggest slap in the face to the audience.

>>155412615
Does she did the 1st season?

>>155414720

Stop bullshitting. The entire first season Tekkadan got through with literally 1 named character loss and shat all over the intergalactic empire, who were portrayed as cartoonishly evil, corrupt, and stupid. They fought pirates so flat that they were literally inhuman monstrosities and shit was just slow as fuck and humorless and boring until the last, last battle.

It wasn't until the whole Earth Branch arc in S2 that Tekkadan actually started suffering meaningful losses, and even then they continued to muscle their way through.

See, here's the thing. Let's say that Okada wanted to portray that message. Why waste FIFTY EPISODES making everyone watch these stupid shitters who have no goal or plan or anything? Why build them up as the row row fight da power underdog pitted against a huge, corrupt The Man constantly? The series literally ends with that, with Kudelia saying "they fought magnificently for their human dignity and for change" and all this other garbage, like these kids are supposed to be ideological heroes, when all 50 episodes they were not, when they didn't even know what the fuck they were fighting for.

So if Okada was trying to say what you THINK she was trying to say, she did a really bad job with it and pussied out at the last moment and tried to have it both ways, with Tekkadan being noble and having accomplished something with their bullshit meaningless violence.

No, I don't buy it.... the more likely explanation is Mari Okada is just a shit writer.

>>155414693
SEED had the best Char clone you faggot.

>>155414693
Was 00 really that interesting? MC seemed dull and Celestial Being never really hooked me with its missions.

are we hitting the point where the people that grew up with SEED are going to start defending it like what happened with Wing?

>>155415074
Nope.
>>155415081
>Ore ga Gundam MC
>Boring
Nope.

>>155415107
wing wasn't even fucking bad.

>>155415140
it wasn't good either

>>155415081
00 was way more interesting than IBO

>>155415164
Still better then Seed, Seed Destiny, AGE, GBF Try, Victory, G, and especially this steaming pile of shit that Okada gave us.

The Gundam this time around seemed really meh. Not a fan of the big mace whatever it had, especially not after the sex that was the Unicorn and Banshee.

>>155415081
>>155415140
>>155415164

00 S1 is basically Wing but done right.

>>155415198
I'll give you everything on that list but G, but they're so separate of a thing that it's apples and oranges
but just because it's better than the detritus of the series doesn't make it good or worth defending

>>155415206
I'll give the most credit for avoiding beam weapons, but the huge focus on only melee weaponry got kind of boring

>>155413909

Is this the new Okada Defense Force meme? SHE WAS IN CHARGE OF SERIES COMPOSITION. Even if she only personally wrote a few episodes, she is responsible for the direction of the whole plot.

>>155415256
yea but they fucking introduce the dansleif, which is even more retarded.

>>155415198
>GBF Try
Just because the fights and characters weren't as amazing as the first GBF, doesn't mean it was bad.

some people are just salty because Rustal didn't take out his family Gundam and died pointlessly in a 1v1 with murder midget. That's why IBO isn't Gundam enough for some.

>>155415206
One of the few things IBO did well was play around with the idea of the main gundam being some elegant weapon. There was even the episode in S1 where Mika had a fucking katana and couldn't figure out how to use it, then he grabbed a giant metal club and said, yeah this is good.

>>155415329
no, it being bad is what made it bad

>>155414326
>poorly constructed
Samflam was very well constructed

>>155415300
Keep crying I loved rustal constantly bombarding the little fuckers. Any other outcome than the government laying down the law and squashing their shit would have been underwhelming

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>>155415081
>protagonist was originally a brain washed child soldier used by a jihdaist mercenary who lost his country
>timeskips to the present time where he switches his belief in God with Gundam and works for a paramilitary ideological force that forces an insane if super genius man's plan for unification of the human race and all political groups via terrorism and forced intervention with military force
>Unlike Mika, Setsuna despite his PTSD, trauma, and scarred mental condition still functions somewhat like a human being and even pulls a gun on his squad-mate for threatening to try and remove him from being a Gundam pilot
>Displays actual emotions when the time calls for it (rage, anger, confusion, naivety, tone of voice, etc...) when he needs too
>Becomes a Gundam
It was pretty interesting. Especially since its the only series in UC or AU that manages to do convincing politics and politicking with a fair degree of accuracy which the rest of the franchise has honestly failed at.

Even the second season which doesn't live up to the first still has the benefits of great production values, animation, fights, and cool scenes and largely stays consistent with its themes even if it moves toward a more traditional Gundam plot and I loved the movie too.

I'm biased but I thought 00 was pretty good.

>>155414417
If Axis wasn't involved it would be an extremely Pyrrhic victory and the Feddies probably still wouldn't have given a shit or implemented the AEUG's goals anyway. Zeta was a darker ending in every way, imo. Mika and Guts were already dead on the inside and were waiting to die in a blaze of glory. Meanwhile in Zeta you could see Kamille was sick and tired of fighting and was already starting to break when Scirocco got to him. In IBO they got everything they wanted even though they lost and most of Tekkadan still manages to escape. So, whenever people in these threads try to say IBO was the first to have such a dark ending, I can only roll my eyes when Gundam's first sequel was much, much darker

>>155415329

Try definitely was bad, though. Did you see the generals on /m/? Pretty much the first half of the first cour was "I'm so hyped" "This could be interesting" then it started to be "they'll probably develop this stuff more in the second half" and by the end of the series, every general thread for every new ep was 800 posts of just "what went wrong?" "kill me" "why do I still watch this?" it was amazing.

>>155415395
Patrick was the best 00

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God the lesbian mom ending was really gross. Plus imaging emotionless Mikazuki having sex is uncomfortable.

Also how old was Atra during the series if she got as tall as Kudelia after the timeskip? She had to have been like 15 and pregnant.

>>155415384
a fucking leaf.

don't think i don't know.

>>155414693
Yeah, I agree with most of this

>>155415357
But his Gundam was an elegant weapon, he just didn't know how else to fight with it. That's sort of the problem. They could have made it this hodgepodge monstrosity of a machine that's as jank looking as Mika himself, but instead they went with a sleek machine with a stupidly oversized hunk of metal that's both boring and doesn't make much of a visual impact when trying to be all tough and brutish.

>>155415469
Of kill myself if I was a leaf before some dog fucker government employee did

>>155412615
it had so much potential...but they just trashed it with overusing dainsleif,

>>155412615
IBO is good like SAO, as long as you only watch the 1st season.

The 2nd season can be thrown in the trash and burned. They'd have been better off had they made G-Reco longer, there was more to that than IBO had. But what could you expect from a shit writer.

>>155415434
I'm just sad they didn't go full stupid, get both kudelia and atra pregnant, as well as have mcgillis sire an heir

>>155415433
>Patrick getting his waifu Kati
It was pure kino.

>>155415081
The first episode of S2 and the one where he springs Al and Marina sold me forever on Setsuna. I'd watch an entire show with just him as the only pilot who spends half his time infiltrating bases in fast, violent raids before making a daring escape in a hobo Gundam he barely keeps together with duct tape and GN particles.

>>155415434
>>155415608
Someone shoop that MTV show logo with timeskip Atra and Kudelia with shota Mika son in it

What is it called? 16 and pregnant?

>>155415605
>IBO is good like SAO, as long as you only watch the 1st season.

Are you serious? SAO's first season was awful from the first episode and IBO's S1 was just a 25 episode long escort mission that felt comprised entirely of filler arcs starring characters nobody gave a fuck about.

>>155415608
>Galli hiding his pregnancy from Julietta
>"How will she react if she learns it's Fareed's"
>Manage to convince her it's hers.

fund it.

>>155415410
That just sounds like /m/ forcing memes to enjoy something as a fake trainwreck rather than not feel as hyped as they were for the first show.

I watched it on my own and had a fine time. It didn't make me run up he walls in excitement, but it wasn't bad.

>>155415081
00 S1 was great, S2 went in the generic direction by having an incredibly clear antagonist group from start to finish, A-laws was just Titans 2.0 and the mech designs got worse.

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>>155415641
>>155415395

>>155415673
Everyone knows the first season of SAO refers only to the Aincrad arc because the Alfheim arc doesn't exist.

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>>155415729
>00 pre Raiser not sexy
>Arios not sexy
>Saravee not sexy
>Arche not a monstrous baddy Gundam design
>not liking Reborns
You and I are enemies.

>>155415641
Solid Snake Setsuna was pretty rad. Don't forget the episode where they used a Gundam's face to bust battery-kun out of prison in season 2.

>>155415728

If you thought it was fine there's really nothing I can say to convince you, but Try being bad is not a meme. It actually was very bad. And nobody wanted to hate Try. In fact a lot of people were biased against GBF before it aired, saying the franchise had gone full toy commercial, that it was 4 babbyz, whatever. But it won everybody over. And when Try was announced the hype on /m/ was real. That show had so much goodwill and everybody wanted to love it. But it was genuine shit.

Now if you want to know why it was shit, I can tell you, but you thought it was fine and all the hate is just a meme, so why bother.

>>155414877
Well, they did bring change in the end and they gave hope for those who survived.

Wasn't Aquarion ruined by her as well?

>>155415641
Setsuna was fine. It was Marina who was wasted.

At least now people won't shit on Gundam AGE anymore. I don't actually think it's that bad.

>>155415897
Yea, but you have to understand that this made no sense.

All of Rustal actions up to then, made him a clear cut villian, why would he give up power and influence. That why people are mad. Monkey also become a fucking hero when she did jack shit. So much plot armor was given to Iok, Monky and Rustal.

>>155415897
This, anon is just butt blasted that the pilots and Orga got killed. Everyone who survived is objectively better off and working jobs more productive than being fucking mercs

>>155414128
It was only good because of the cliffhangers in each episode. When you rethink about the show as a whole, it was a huge clusterfuck bullshit and the ending made it worse than it should be.

>>155415982
1/3rd of age is good
another 1/3rd is bland but inoffensive
the last 1/3rd is actually the worst thing gundam has ever produced, this includes S/D and IBO
the strength of flit pulls that show above those other two, but not very far above.

>>155415982
As a whole AGE isn't bad, just mediocre.
Same as IBO.

>>155412615
SEED isn't that bad
I think you mean Destiny

>>155415839
>>00 pre Raiser not sexy
Eh reminded me too much of a football player with its big shoulderpad GN drives.
>>Arios not sexy
Eh I liked its precursor Kyrios more.
>>Seravee not sexy
Again, I liked Virtue more
>>Arche not a monstrous baddy Gundam design
Eh, I didn't really like it
>>not liking Reborns
I actually liked that one.

>>155414877
>Gundams have a symbolism for a fucking reason. They're meant to represent change and hope.
Please watch something other than AUs. I can maybe buy them standing for hope, but Gundam has always tried to play things somewhat realistically and tends to have bittersweet endings. However, I don't think what Okada has done really fits the bill either. The protagonists facing a complete loss, but having the antagonists do everything they want for little to no reason or interlude as to why comes off as cheapening the whole conflict, not as bittersweet. That kind of end worked for 00 S1 because the whole point of CB was to unite the world, but IBO completely lacks that context, and instead has the context of a Reforming McGillis vs. a status quo defending Rustal. Having the status quo guy reform everything after he just crushed all his opposition for practically no reason just doesn't make sense. It feels like there's something missing in between. IBO isn't realistic either, it just replaced beams with Dainsleifs and gave them all to one side even though its tech that's been around for centuries. Most of the characters act unrealistically. The way the plot moves forward is extremely unrealistic. Even the Gundams are superpowered despite what anons are saying. The only thing that can stop a Gundam +AV in this series is either another Gundam +AV or a Dainsleif, which are strong enough to takedown an entire ship in one shot. Otherwise they actually are able to solo entire fleets. The realism is just as bad as the other AUs, but people think it's realistic because
>muh kinetic fighting

>>155412615
>it divulges from what actually is a gundam show
Gundam has always been about the brutality of war, dude. This is probably one of the best examples of how shit war can be for people. Rustal magically deciding he wants to reform stuff was bullshit, but this is a gundam show both in name and spirit whether or not the writing itself is bad or how you personally feel about the series.

>>155415864
Because you can't without exaggerating what passes for bad quality entertainment. You are but memes.

>>155416068
>Eh reminded me too much of a football player with its big shoulderpad GN drives.
you just said everything I love about 00 in one sentence, and said it in a derogative tone

>>155415864
Try was better because it was more hotblooded and it had crazy shit like the moon getting blown up and half the earth getting destroyed. The only problems are Sekai and the harem aspect, but it's not like Sei was good in the first place

>>155416114

This is what I get for trying to engage with you civilly. If that's how you want it to be, then fine. You just have shit taste.

>>155416134
Then you know what must be done, there can be no UNDERSTANDING, only violence.

>>155416142
>Try was better because it was more hotblooded
the shonen attacks were cringeworthy as fuck

So what's the general consensus on Thunderbolt?

>>155416145
Being polite is no excuse for being wrong. If your entire argument is 'because I was roped into groupthink and can't defend my opinions to someone who doesn't already disagree with me,' then don't try in the first place and save yourself the embarrassment.

>>155416234
Pretty to look at, eh plot for S1, S2 has batshit stupid plot so brace for newtype buddhist cults.

>>155416173
there can still be hope, anon, just tell me what your favorite gundam is and we can go from there

>>155415989
IBO never had a clear villain.
It did what G-Reco wanted to do, only better since you had only two factions to focus.

>>155416293
Gundam Mk II in terms of aesthetics.

>>155413727
What happened? Didn't direct Fate/zero?

>>155416234
The jazz is too hipster pretentious for my tastes.

>>155416142
>Try was better because it was more hotblooded

Actually that's one of the problems.
GBF was hotblooded but without forcing it.
BFT tryed to be like G Gundam and failed damn hard at it.

>>155416142
>Try was better because it was more hotblooded

"Hotbloodedness" needs to make sense in the context of the show. This isn't GaoGaiGar or some shit. Everybody else is playing a game with rules and then you got this guy just yelling and doing asspull Dragonball Z moves that are fifty times more powerful? That's just stupid. Sekai was completely out of tone with the rest of the show.

>and it had crazy shit like the moon getting blown up and half the earth getting destroyed.

That was some of the worst shit in Try. That's basically Naruto. Fuck,. they even had transforming into big spirit animals and shit. If the entire show had had this kind of tone, like G Gundam, it would have been OK, but everything else is still grounded like the first season.

>The only problems are Sekai and the harem aspect, but it's not like Sei was good in the first place

See, Sei was not the greatest main character, but he had two things. The first is that he had an actual journey. Sei grew. Sei in the beginning was incompetent and could only do one thing well, alone. But through the journey he learned to stand on his own and work with others.

Second, Sei was a true Gundam fan. He loved Gundam, lived and breathed Gundam. His strategies and lines were all from the franchise.

Sekai?
By the end of the series Sekai had learned nothing, didn't know what Gundam was, had no interest in the people around him, or Gundam or even really gunpla battle. And this isn't just speculation. HE ACTUALLY SAYS THIS HIMSELF IN THE SHOW.. This is the main character! He is the biggest problem with the show.

>setup up Mika as a crippled farmer
>Kill him off anyway

I wanted a cripple farmer end

>>155416254

Your entire argument is "well I liked it."
I would have been glad to elaborate my viewpoint if you had not revealed yourself to be retarded.
Shit taste pls go.

>>155416435
he was a weirdo psychopath that even the people who some what liked him. And eve. Then saw him as an attack dog to bail them out of the shit when things went south. Being killed so they could escape was the best thing he could have done

>>155415012
>meaningful losses
Did you forget how many kids died in Edmonton arc? They lost like 50+ kids which was a pretty good chunk of their entire organization at the time. Just because they're not named characters doesn't mean they're not taking meaningful losses. I mean Shino, Lafter and Azee definitely should've died last season, but its not as if Tekkadan wasn't taking losses the entire trip to Earth. The only reason they even made it was good battle tactics in Space, quick diplo maneuvering during the whole Dort situation and a shit ton of kids losing their lives on Earth.

I do agree with the rest of your post. IBO was trying to set itself up as the anti-Gurren Lagann, but they ended up pussying out most of the time and tried to have it both ways. By Season 2 Tekkadan really had no reason to be involved in the plot and they had to railroad the plot hard even though Tekkadan was written to be essentially aimless after they pretty much achieved all their goals in Season 1. Okada a shit. Nagai a shit, I'm never gonna touch anything made by these two hacks again

>>155416416
And hell a lot of the later fights in GBF were dull because they went for the more hotblooded approach and ended everything with the punch instead of sword/beam rifle/etc. The best fight from the original GBF series was the two Argentinian brothers against Meijin.

>>155416533
>Did you forget how many kids died in Edmonton arc? They lost like 50+ kids which was a pretty good chunk of their entire organization at the time. Just because they're not named characters doesn't mean they're not taking meaningful losses.

They were nameless shitters who didn't even exist before that battle where they died.
And then in the first episode of S1 it turned out that because of their success at Edmonton they got a whole bunch of fresh meat to replace the nameless shitters.

It was meaningless.

>>155416597

*first episode of S2

>>155416526
Yeah, I didn't think it was so bad. But I'm not the one saying it was actually, as in on some objective level, a bad show because of meme magic alone. You could have elaborated your viewpoint a dozen times over, but your didn't, and can't without revealing that it's just your opinions, and worse it's one that you just harped from a bunch of morons echoing each other's stupidity like a bunch of /tv/ posters on the next average movie made out to be the worst thing ever.

>>155416713
>meme magic
fuck off back to /pol/ or kill yourself

>>155416713
don't try to pull some shit about just because the prevailing opinion disagrees with your personal opinion means that it's just memes

>>155416870
I just did, and you can't do a damn thing to stop me.

>>155416813
QED

>>155413012
>children's show
>a child gets pulverized into a pulp while others get shot in the head in the first episode
pottery

>>155416530
He was shown to like farming. It could have shown "child-soldier redemption" DEEP symbolism.

But then again season 2 was just story arcs mashed together to make some resemblance of a story

>>155416318
>IBO never had a clear villain.
>It did what G-Reco wanted to do, only better
OH I AM LAFFIN'
The problem with G-Reco was that it didn't have enough time. The problem with IBO was that it had more than enough time and wasted it for everyone

>>155416713

But it was objectively bad. For many reasons. Like its protagonist, a bland invincible retard who has all the bitches on his jock. Or the terribly constructed fights. Or the lack of character development. These are real issues.

And these things were offered to be explained to you. But you were too much of a fucking moron and with each post you make you continue to show that you are a retard. Because you, yourself, have no defense of the show except "well it wasn't that bad to me" and "everyone who disagrees with me is memeing." You are pretty much everything wrong with /a/, your shitty fucking attitude, like you are so much better when you are actually ten times as obnoxious and you don't know anything.

>>155416997
How nice, you put words like bland and terrible in front of something and that's the great explanation we've all been waiting for. That you think these opinions and skewed sense of something at worst being mediocre or unmemorable is bad or terrible was some great knowledge you were just waiting to enlighten us with if not for the big meanie is laughable. Get over yourself and get the fuck back to /m/.

holy fuck I can't believe I watched 50 episodes of this shit. To be honest I expected the terrorist kids to fucking wreck everyone. too bad everyone important dies.

>>155413049
You misspelled Turn-A Gundam

>>155414128
It's one of those shows when while it's airing you are hooked into continuing but then after it's over you realize it really was just a bunch of bullshit that didn't mean anything and it was a waste of time

>>155417167
>expected the terrorist kids to fucking wreck everyone
Go watch 00 or Wing if you wanted to see that

>>155417664
>Go watch 00 S2*
fixed
S1 had the giant desert battle where they were all almost captured and the finale which was glorious to watch when every nation they pissed off managed to get their hands on mobile suits of similar levels.

I hope the next AU series doesn't end up being this shit like IBO

>>155417803
Thunderbolt is already shit.

>>155417167
you watched a show where the protagonists are explicitly named after a group of fucked up okinawan child suicide soldiers that got butchered by the american army, expecting them to win?

Is it too much to ask for catchy openings again? GBF Try was the last with good ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH01VxE0hw0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqbn6zndZgU

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So we can all agree the inter-orbital Dainsleif siege was the final nail in Tekkadan's coffin, but what was the first?

I think Tekkadan's fall started with the loss of Biscuit, personally. Not because Biscuit was a brilliant character, but because Biscuit was the only orphan with the balls to actually approach Orga and tell him to slam on the brakes.

He was their brain trust, the little voice in the back of everyone's head that whispers, "Hol up, Chief."

Merribit would ho and hum and twist her tits, but she never actually stuck to her guns. Eugene occupied Biscuit's chair in his absence, but he was only a slightly more abrasive sheep than the rest.

I know Biscuit's death happened during the race to S1's climax, but it would have been interesting to see Orga really notice his absence during the S1/S2 interval.

No moping or anything. Just a simple realization on Orga's part that without Biscuit, his orders are being met with a lot less resistance. If Orga noticed this was a problem, it would have shown he's developing as a leader.

Maybe we could have had a short scene where he uses his new connections to interview a potential 'replacement'. The character wouldn't have to be too complex - just gutsy enough to be the one "No-Man" in a ship full of "Yes-Men."

It's the 10th anniversary of 00 and the ending of IBO made me feel like IBO is 00's retarded fetal alcohol baby brother trying to imitate his older brother's cool.

The ending of 00 worked because CB had goals. We also got to learn about CB. We watched the Gundam Meisters grow from dudes who only tolerated each other because it was for the job, to real comrades. We watched the technology creep until the other nations were able to match them. Would have defeated them easily if not for Trans Am. And the ending, though everyone got their shit kicked in, seemed optimistic. Though they all "died," this is what they had expected and their goal was to unify the world, which worked. The problems of the world still exist, the world is united but moving towards an uncertain direction. And somewhere out there CB might still be fighting.

Contrast that to IBO.

In IBO the "good guys" are supposedly this band of brothers, muh family, whatever. But we don't see that. There are almost no convincing relationships in IBO. In fact Rustal Elion, the cold fascist power player, seems to give more of a shit about his men than Orga does about his family. All the characters just feed each other negatively and never fucking learn. They're all unlikable. They all have no goals, literally just fighting for the sake of fighting. And then they get creamed by a guy presented as a ruthless war criminal who only wants the power. But wait, it turns out that guy is actually an incredibly wise, benevolent dictator, and he actually accomplishes everything that the "heroes" wanted, only he actually does those things rather than sit in a fucking office all day(Jewdelia) or just aimlessly murdering people(Tekkadan). The heroes accomplished NOTHING. There is no ambiguity, it was a complete net positive that Rustal won. Tekkadan is fucking finished. The guy who is still "out there" is Ride, a useless shithead nobody likes who shat all over the memory of his friends.

What a shitfest.

>>155418018
If Eugene had stepped and filled that role maybe things would have been different

>>155418031

Tekkadan major flaw was not having a single smart person to lead them, all Orga had was good intentions and guts. But then again, if there was someone smart enough to play space chess and win there, he probably wouldn't be in that base working as a child soldier.

>>155416318
What, no. Did you even watch G-Reco? IBO did the absolute opposite.
>G:Reco: most aren't villainous, mainly a few jackasses ruining shit while the rest were bumbling around precisely because most of the people haven't had to deal with this kind of shit for ages
>IBO: varying degrees of villainy, both the main characters and the enemies have done their fair share of shit because it's a shithole and you do what you do to survive; they're not good people, but not clear cut evil either
IBO never had a clear villain, but it was for an entirely different reason from G-Reco.

Guys can we get back to shitting on Okada

>>155418018
>but what was the first?
Muh kings of Mars

>>155418018

Crossing Rustal Elion.

>>155416952
>The problem with G-Reco was that it didn't have enough time.
Yeah after they reached the moon the show just went full fastforward and stayed that way all the way to the final episode.

>>155414128
Mayoiga and the threads were fun at the start, but the more answers it provided the worst it became.

>>155413980
>>155415297
Source?
She isn't listed as such on either ANN or japanese Wikipedia.

damn /a/ became more cancerous toward IBO than /m/

Sorry no shounen ending here losers!

>>155414027
Are you counting Turn A and G-reco as AUs?

>>155414128
>it was fake fun
Nobody claimed it was fake fun. People had fun with valvrave THREADS and valvrave the series is shit. Same thing, mayoiga IS shit. That's why people had fun messing around with it in the threads. You're an idiot if you call it fake fun just because you can't separate the shows from their threads .

>Dont Show Almiria on time skip
>Even Gali dont mention his sister in the time skip
>Ride goes full Mika/Orga route again
>Evil mechanic gets all data from Mika and Akihiro data and MacGilly AV implant technology.
No wonder Rustal dont need a large army anymore.
This is fucking bait for a sequel

>>155415198
>Victory

Nope

>>155418698
I would, yeah
maybe include turn a and g-reco as the same au but they're not UC for sure

>>155414027
>IBO is probably top 3 for gundam AUs
I think you mean bottom 3. AUs tend to be worse than most UCs, but at least they are usually written alright and don't give its audience massive blueballs

>>155412615
>it divulges from what actually is a Gundam show
I don't think you even know what that is, so fuck off.

A lot of you faggots hated the series before the first episode even aired.
Don't pretend to offer objective commentary.

>>155418826
The only thing Victory did wrong was its shaky start. After the Shrike team got introduced it was a great ride

>>155418918

Nice try, shithead.

>it's over
>people still are tied down to talk about it instead of leaving
I feel your pain
>>155415300
>MC is so broken they had to invent a clashing weapon to justify it and ruin tension
I enjoyed Dansleif spam though it was fun beamspam
>>155418018
Joining McGillis.
Main issue is King of Mars leading to leaving after dealing with Jasley and getting politically involved in shit they had no need of being in.

>>155418018

Yeah, Biscuit's death was the first step in their fall. He was the one to question the need to pursue violence as a job, and that's what ended up doing the organization in.

>>155413049
But that's wrong you fucking retard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik1Mr1jJwzM

>>155418976
>Orga chases after being kings of mars and runs Tekkadan into the ground
>Kudelia sat on her ass the entire season and basically becomes the lesbian queen of mars
Really fires up my neurons.

>>155418018
They had a person like that: Takaki. Problem was that Takaki went to Earth and didn't stay on Mars with Orga, and ended up getting rolled over by Bearded Man and it cost him Aston and, in effect, the loss of the entire Earth branch. The events Takaki lived through before bailing on Tekkadan were a microcosm of what ended up happening to Tekkadan as a whole.

>>155419062
shit taste

>>155419125
Typical IBO shitter can't appreciate the high quality of UC era OPs and EDs.

>>155415982

Today I will remind them

>vagans could have left Mars any fucking time
>main villain's motivation makes no sense from either a "he is a madman who must be stopped" or a "he had no choice" point of view but the show tries both
>understanding=kill every named vagan character
>super pilot=shout a lot and instantly win anyway
>racist grandpa is dealt with by mind-raping him psychic visions

>>155412615
Boy you sure are mad. How does it feel to be the minority?

>>155419154
>anything related to gundam
>high quality
Well memed.

>>155418018
>>155419007
The sad thing is, even with Biscuit's death being pointless in the long run, they could still have saved the story with Orga's death. That should have been a 2nd wake-up call for the Tekkadan. Too bad Orga's death happened so damn late in the game that there's no more time left to look at the impacts as it's time to tie up the loose ends.

And yeah, Meribit and Eugene were wasted characters as well.

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Reminder that even impregnating a loli wasn't enough to keep Mikazuki from wanting to live after Orga died. They were the true OTP of IBO all the way to the end.

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Hey guys, do you think the spin off manga will end better than main IBO?
I mean current plot is meh, and no scans or third volume, but it can't be worse, right?
>>155418730
Expect Hathaway's Flash in a few years.

>>155419412
What is the spinoff even about?

>>155418730

OVA maybe. There's not enough big-name pilots or machines for a movie or a sequel.

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VOTOMS > gundam

>>155419473
Grey: Digital Target > VOTOMS

Macross > All

>>155418918
Fuck off. I really wanted to enjoy the series when it started and tried to ignore the shitposters. First season was alright. It felt like the chickened out with the lack of deaths at the end, but I was looking forward to a Season 2. When season 2 came it, I thought it was a blast. By the time we reached the MA arc I was intrigued by what was going on, but started to realize that they weren't gonna have time to finish the series if they kept going on at this pace. After that point the writing dropped the ball completely and just rushed through haphazardly to get to the ending.

They started to make characters act completely retarded or out of character for the plot to move forward. Most of the drama was always cheap whether in Season 1 or 2, but I tried to look forward to the revolution stuff they were hyping up for the entire show. Then McGillis does his retarded coup, but I'm hoping there's more to it than that, like a hidden MA. I mean why else would they bring out an MA if they weren't gonna use it later? By the time Shino died, I started to take a long look back at the series, and I realized that most of the writing was needlessly stretched out and padded, and they tended to just build up plotlines only to just drop them later on. I still held on for hope that characters would stop acting stupid, but it never ended and I'm not just talking about Tekkadan and McGillis, but some of the stuff Rustal and Iok did were downright stupid and nonsensical for the sake of forcing the plot to go one way. When Season 2 tried to push for its ending it just exposed the flaws in Season 1 to me and made the whole thing seem pointless.

All in all I wish G-Reco got the two seasons and Tekkadan got one. I think both stories would be better if they had done this instead.

>>155412976
woah stop there, Seed is decent, Destiny should not exist.

>>155419514
>macrossfag trying to talk shit after the travesty known as delta
heh

>>155419496
Grey is fucking solid too

>>155415982
IBO is garbage but I will forever be mad about Yurin not being saved and that bland blonde bitch winning that Flitbowl. Due to broadcasting rights they couldn't even show up in Gundam Valhalla as a couple.

>>155419080
Nah, Eugene could've filled that role but they made him act out of character as another one of Tekkadan's Yes menn until almost the very end of the series

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>>155419578
that was bad, but the real love story tragedy lies elsewhere

the episode with the cow in turn a gundam ruined it for me

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>>155419621
Eugene was too close to the center to be That Guy, plus they made no secret of his idol worship of Orga. Takaki was far enough away from the center of power he could have been the naysmith and gotten away with it. But again, he went to Earth and got curbstomped so bad after being forced into a power position that he bailed on Tekkadan anyway.

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>>155416068
>00 Gundam
>reminds me of a football player with its big shoulderpad GN Drives
Irregardless is still sexy.
>I like Kyrios more
Arios is still fine and Harute is better then both.
>Virtue more.
Hell naw.
>I didn't really like it.
Arche is fantastic but I guess its an acquired taste to some people.

>>155419662
Shit I forgot about that one too. But seriously, if Yurin had won then Flit would never had gone down his genocidal path and actually UNDERSTANDING close to the conflict might have happened earlier.

>>155416938
>It's the "it's not children's show because there's blood and nudity" argument
You understand tits and blood are the definite teenage bait? This is literally the same argument people defending Naruto used to shout.

>>155419227
I wish Orga died instead of Biscuit, and that they were turned into background/supporting characters instead of Kudelia in Season 2. Tekkadan already achieved their goals in Season 1, there was literally no reason for their involvement in Season 2. The plot had to railroad them into it by making everyone act like retards during the Jasley arc

>>155415839
00 and Raiser are pleb tier. The only sexy Gundam Setsuna ever piloted was Sexia.

>>155419443
I dunno, some former Gjallarhorn kid turned mobster, a hitman who never killed and some mobster's daughter are trying to piece together some gundam frame back to it's original state while dealing with shady mafia shit. Only 4 chapters in english and it's mostly dealing with getting a hit set on them or something.
>>155418918
Didn't even discuss it or what with site until ep 10, sorry. Was actually alright with it then.

>>155418381
I'm up for it.
God she's shit.

>>155417875
That's not AU, that's UC.

>>155413102
>nothing the protagonists did mattered
No tekkadan means no ghallahjorn getting damaged, which means no rustal reform, which means no martian indipendence, or abolishment of slavery.

>>155419828
Wrong.

>>155419888
It's AU UC.

>>155419960
but why did rustal reform

>>155419998
Now you're just making shit up. You sound like one of those butthurt Feddiefags when Unicorn aired, screaming about "muh canon".

>>155419998
>animated by Sunrise
Its canon. There's no black and white, only exception is Origins which directly contradicts the original series/movies and Zeta and other subsequent works set after the TV series/movies.

>>155412872
First few episodes were good, Naze's episode in season 2 was good. The rest was so offensively bad that you actually have to be a shit eating retard (fujos are included) to enjoy it.

>>155419787
I still am trying to remember.
Why did they leave after killing him? Boss was chill with them.
Why did they go straight for McGillis instead of thinking their plan out?
Why did Iok go full retard for that one arc when most of his other shit was "tame" (as in not outright douchebag behaviour, dude fucked up a plan and was hoping for McGillis to cry with proxy war and dashing stupidly to death on two occasions, but even I find that arc stupid).
>>155420000
To kep some sembelance of power. By going democratic and helping those reforms, he could still keep Gjallarhorn strong despite losing lots of fleets and now has more control with Earth sphere and good publicity.
More independence on Mars and no Human debris removes the likelyhood of another Tekkadan from popping up.
Helps everyone, mainly himself though.

Wow, in all of Gundam's history there has not been a single AU that wasn't shit. Build Fighters doesn't count.

>>155419983
It's not wrong.

>>155414962
> Rustal turning good
IBO was mediocre at best, but people complaining about shit that never happened because they cant understand a show with the subtlety of american sitcom certainly does not help.

>>155420102
no, but why did the clearly evil imperialistic rustal reform it
I'm not asking why one would reform, why did rustal reform

>>155419473
I watched the main series and it was pretty shit towards the ending. The OVA's better be fucking awesome because otherwise I don't really understand what the fame is all about.

>>155417892
>the protagonists are explicitly named after a group of fucked up okinawan child suicide soldiers that got butchered by the american army
Not the anon you were typing at, but source on this? I'm curious.

>>155420119
Yes you are.

>>155420037
Technological differences between it and what was capable during the OYW are too great to be canon.

>>155420145
He wasn't imperialistic, he'd said repeatedly throughout the season that Gjallarhorn needed reform, he just didn't agree with McGillis being the one heading it up using an outside agency as his muscle.

>>155420171
You're just jealous because my taste > your taste.

This was legitimately worse than G-Saviour.

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>>155420118
Rinko OVA when?

>>155420189
It takes place almost 20 years after the OYW, knucklehead.

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>>155420196
Nah. I bet you don't even fap to Gundams.

>>155413102
00 is a cheap copy of Code Geass.

>>155420133
>gundams being the super powered machines they are, vastly superior to grunts
But that was still the case here.
They had to introduce physical projectile beamspam to fix the antagonist's power level. Against grunts they just kept OHKO to them all with no issue with maces or unlocked limiter.
Dansleif was still bullshit, and Gusion got fucked out of screentime for most of its appearance too. Designs are nice, give me a proper IBO fighter and I'm down with them.

>>155420118
Turn A was pretty good, though I don't know if it's technically AU, I don't think Tomino knows either.

>>155420236
I'm talking about Thunderbolt.

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>>155420202
Bad things happen when you tell lies, anon.

>>155420262
Thunderbolt hasn't shown anything untoward with extremely late OYW tech. 08th MS Team's tech was on par with Thunderbolt's.

>>155420152
Armour Hunter is my personal favourite, you're bound to enjoy it

>>155420236
Thunderbolt S2 It takes place only 6 months after anon. Atlas doesn't really fit with what happened around then (0080, 0083, Zeta).
>>155420296
Huh, everything can be solved with shooting a man or hiring hits. Even our heroes realised this back in episode 2/3.

>>155420354
It's on my list next. I hope it's more low-key as the twists with Chirico were really off-putting to me.

>>155420296
I wish that was a lie.

>>155420120
I think the problem is that the show paints it as good with the upbeat tone. However little things like Rustal's immense smugness, Kudelia and Eugene only just tolerating Rustal's shit because of their situation, Ride leading an insurgency group, the whole engineer who was into cyber experiments looking pleased as ever, all suggest that things aren't as nice as they seem on the surface. It feel like its almost as if it was taken from Julietta's point of view. She feels guilty about the whole incident and pities Tekkadan, but even with her knowledge of what Rustal is capable of tries to paint it as a happy end. Its kind of like those US History books that tell you all the horrible shit that's happened and feels sympathetic, but tells you everything is bright and cheery and okay now that all that history is in the past

>>155419998
No, it's UC, plain and simple. Stop trying to apply Marvel/DC logic to gundam. If they tell you it's UC, it's UC, that's it. Gundam never gave much shit about whether the various works may fit or not. They're about the broad strokes. There is no AU UC, it's UC and AUs.

>>155414140
>meme director like Okada or Urobuchi
>director

>>155420326
bullshit

>>155420240
wtf there are ayys in Geas?

>>155420715
If it's plain ol UC then WHY THE FUCK aren't their kits in the UC lineup?

THUNDERBOLT ISN'T CANON

PLAIN AND SIMPLE

>>155412872
Depends on if you already like Gundam or not. If you are a long term fan of the series and expect certain things from it then you are probably not going to enjoy it because it does things differently. If you are new to the series and don't expect epic fights every episode then you are probably going to enjoy it for what it is. That said S1 is kinda dull and S2 has a whole lotta talking and scheming.

>>155413823
I've seen people pretend Iroha and Ano Hana were good, but who the fuck pretends True Tears was good?

>>155420961
Sunrise's absolute policy is if something is adpated to TV, film, etc...for animating, its canon. That's it. Guess what Thunderbolt got? An OVA anime series. Its canon.

Was this worse than TRY?
I think it was.

>>155420961
>Gundam never gave much shit about whether the various works may fit or not.
>Stop trying to apply Marvel/DC logic to gundam
Get these two things into your thick skull. Gundam doesn't care. Stop trying to nitpicking and dig up bullshit "proofs". Because again, when it comes to continuity, they've always been just 'hey you want more stories from this verse, here's more stories'. They're not Marvel/DC where they try to do major reboots etc to accommodate new changes. Gundam doesn't care, they just add more stuff to the verse.

You're the one trying to make things difficult by forcing a different mindset into this.

>>155414693
Put GBF above G-Reco and you got a deal

>>155412615
Your opinion is shit and you should feel like shit

>>155420119
>what is Quanta

>>155421244
HELL NO

FUMINA CANCER IS RUNNING RAMPANT

We got old 30-40 old guys buying kits of a teenage girl and modding her naked and shit

Thanks sunrise way to sexualize a 14 year old by giving her DD's and a appealing appearance.

Why do people suck 00s dick so much? I watched it recently for the first time and it's super generic.

>>155420119
00 > ELS Qan[t]a > Exia = Astrea > 00 Raiser > 00 Seven Swords > Qan[t]a

>>155413715
>Zeta's group actually won

>Their Top Ace are missing and braindead
>Half their forces gone
>Only one operational battleship left
>The federation has 0 combat capabilites
>Neo-Zeon still at large


Do you even watch Z? By the end of the 3 way battle Neo-Zeon emerge victorious with nothing to stop them they rolfstomp everyone and nearly won if not for Glemy and his rebellion

>People trusted Okada after every other series she did
>Somehow Gundam is the show that makes people want to avoid her now

Ok.

SEED IS THE BEST GUNDAM SERIES OF THE 00'S
THERE I SAID IT

>>155421442

Because 00 does a lot of things right. It's not perfect. It has flaws. It stumbles. But the sheer scope of it, the fact that it's an AU that successfully sets up its own universe and does a great job of worldbuilding, the character development, the 10/10 mech designs and animation, the slickness of its direction and surprising effectiveness at juggling its ensemble cast far better than even most UC entries, it's great.

>>155421442
Sup IBO cocksucker.

>>155421588
okay but how old are you

>>155415398
>tfw Kamille was so desperate to end the war he willing to crash his Gundam onto the enemy mobile suit.

>>155421558

I always shat on her but people just said I hated her due to "memeing."

>>155414693
Anyone who rates G-Reco that high despite the awful story, mech designs, and pacing is literally full of shit.

>>155421558
>though AoiHana was shit
>M3 was shit
I never trusted her to begin with.

>>155421588
This is true in japan. They fucking love Seed. Even with all the bullshit asspulls. As long as it looks cool! Jesus seed sucks.

>>155414027
>IBO is probably top 3 for gundam AUs
>Not X, G and 00

>>155421634
1488 years old

Turn A Gundam is the best Gundam anyways, and that's despite its flaccid resolution.

>Mari Okada took a literal dump on lupin and gundam

what treasured franchise will the madwomen ruin next?

>>155421558
Because previously, people get to hide behind the defence that is 'complaining about melodrama in a soap opera'.

>>155421720
AWGX is so fucking good
second best gundam show after 0079

>>155421442
The fact that people praise the movie gives me aids.
The MC turns into a fucking alien gundam human concoction

>>155421741
Seeing that most directors are male in Japan, literally all franchise is up in the air.

>tfw you enjoyed IBO

>>155421741
She'll team up with Nagai again for Raildex.

>>155421741
Attack on titan please. Shit needs to die already.

>>155421785
but anon
he is gundam

>>155420133
The people praising it for being different are retards. Novelty on its own is worthless if you're replacing something decent, but played out with fresh garbage.

>>155421821
Eh it's already dying, they wiped out all the titans on the island and are now fighting humans.

So Mika and Orga died? Was it a honorable death at least?

>>155421417
This is a buttmad fujo post, right?

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>>155421802

>>155421903
Orga was gunned down and Mika died in his gundam

IBO really flew off the rails after the MA arc.
They should've just kept going with the mobile armors and calamity war shit with Choco's main plan for MUH BAEL involving reviving them so he can live out his chunni Agnika Kaieru dreams.

Would've worked out much better than then constant cases of characters acting oddly for plot retardation reasons. I always thought the setup of Teiwaz by Arianhod was a giant asspull.

I watched the first episode of this then completely forgot about it did the 2 main guys end up being EvilSimon and EvilKamina like people were speculating

>>155421802
I'm sorry to hear about your disability.

>>155421988
they ended up being nobodies that achieved nothing then died

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>>155419311
Yeah in the end Mika was simply too damaged to carry on, not even a child could have changed that, dead was the best end he could get, the guy couldn’t really work without Orga

>>155421802
>tfw when you have no face for that

>IBO season 1 was a legitimate 2/10 where 75% of the time nothing happened and Kudelia was worthless
>IBO season 2 a legitimate 5/10 at best then took a nose-dive getting even shittier

And to believe there are apologists and fans of this garbage show.

>>155421558
I never saw an Okada show before this, so I just assumed you anons were just a bunch of shitposters. I was so, so wrong and you were so, so right. I can't apologize enough. You tried to warn us. All I can do now is avoid Okada and Nagai shows like a plague.

>>155421738
So, 14

>>155422045
they died heroic deaths that changed the world forever

>>155422142
did we watch the same show?

>>155421611
Dunno, I didn't really think that any of the stuff you just mentioned was particularly outstanding or anything.

>>155421630
Funny thing is, it's probably thanks to people like you, going on and on about how IBO is the worst Gundam of all time and how every other show is so much better that it raised my expectations to unrealistic high levels.

>>155412615
qq more faggot.
G-Rectum still a shit.
I hope IBO gets a movie just to piss you off.

>>155422069
So you were one of the fucking idiots screaming "stop memeing about Okada"? We already have a small group is retards here who like garbage melodrama and inconsistent writing, we don't need more people defending this shit.

>>155421988
More like anti-Simon and anti-Kamina. Also showed that when your Kamina lives for too long, the heroes never have to think for themselves and end up suffering for it

>>155422190
Sup dumb IBO cocksucker.

>>155422211
Their working on the G-Reco movies so that isn't going to happen.

>>155422242
Nah, I wasn't. I just thought you were shitposters and ignored your warning. I didn't realize how bad it was until it was too late

Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans
Good:
- Earth vs Mars tensions
- no faggy beamspam, emphasis on melee and viscerally pleasing fights.
- some very cool Gundam design, maybe some best in entire series
- 1st OP (RAISE YOUR FLAG)
- War in Edmonton and Mobile Armor arcs were interesting

Bad
- everything else.

>>155422258
Even if it is the worst gundam, and I am not disputing that, the other shows are apparently not that much better.
What a terrible shitty franchise

>>155414877
>They're meant to represent change and hope.
The shapeshifting mech known as the white devil didn't represent change and hope for the zeeks

>>155422390
>no faggy beamspam
Until Dainsleifspam replaced it

>>155422345
You need to develop the skill to tell who is lying and who is correct based on how they tore and explain things. It lets you sort through things much better here.

>>155422431
Your bait is still stale and shitty, anon.

>>155422438
>The shapeshifting mech known as the white devil didn't represent change and hope for the zeeks
>shapeshifting mech
I need that screencap again

>>155420821
>cannot provide evidence to support claim
Thanks for paying attention.

>>155422431
if you can't see the difference in quality between IBO and 00 then you're retarded

>>155421417
>We got old 30-40 old guys buying kits of a teenage girl and modding her naked and shit
30-40 year old guys plow teen poon all the time.

>>155422458
true that.

i hated how the severity and illegality of dainsleif use was completely thrown out the window after the first time they used it on Turbines. It ended up becoming Arianhod's LOL I WIN button. We were robbed of a fucking good final fight worst of all.

>>155422390
I'd add the last fight too, it was really silly but still fun to watch.

>>155422458
Completely different concept. Dainsleifs are beam weapons done right.

>>155422584
I'm pretty sure he's the same kusoposter that keeps downplaying IBO's god awful production values and saying it has "better" visuals then 00.

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>>155421802
I actually did enjoy IBO for the most part, even the ending didn't really disappoint me except in lack of certain details post-battle. It certainly wasn't as contemptuous an ending as Wing got.

>>155422702
Literally shit-taste: the post.

>>155422702
How do you configure your taste buds to enjoy the taste of shit?

>>155422702
I bet you unironically enjoyed VVV and A/Z too.

>>155422584
I never said that there is no difference between IBO and 00, I just don't think it's this amazing master piece /a/ makes it out to be. It's overall pretty average. Literally the only thing in the show that stuck with me is Lockon's death, which was far better done than anything in IBO combined.

>>155418031
How stupid do you have to be to think 00 is cool? It's one thing to think IBO is retarded, it's another to claim 00 is above that.

>>155422913
Am I the only one who thought the ending was pretty good? It redeemed Mika a little for me, and he was the worst part of this show. Underdeveloped MC who didn't get screentime to grow, and the few times he did he shuts down people before they can ever really say anything that would make him ponder on something that doesn't immediately fit in his world view.

Reminder that the G Gundam method of piloting a mobile suit makes the most sense

not even trying to shitpost here, but what was the fucking morale of the story, I legit cant see it, at the end tekkadan got nothing, orga and co died for nothing, and kudelia ended up shaking hands with the man who killed his autistic midget pimp

>>155423061
war is bad ;_;

>>155421802
To be fair I don't understand most of the posts in this thread when anons either mention names or other gundam series. I never watch em.
But yeah, I think I enjoy IBO for what it is.

>>155422671
>Dainsleifs are beam weapons done right
How? There's a brief loading time and its kinetic. Otherwise it works exactly the same way.

I guess this is how Zeon felt when feddies first deployed beams, but even they figured out the tech and mass produced it within a month of the Feds mass producing the GMs. Meanwhile Dainsleifs are century old tech that everyone knows how to make but doesn't use because of Gjallajorn taboo, except Gjallajorn breaks their own rules to win

>>155423061
never take a deal from pedophiles

>>155422702
Wing had a great ending. The last scene between Relena and Heero was adorable

>>155423021
Everything in G Gundam makes the most sense when you think about it

>>155423061
It's just a badly done Scarface.

>>155423016
I'm sure there are other retards around.

>>155422765
>>155422782
>>155422913
Samefag

>>155423061
They crippled Gjallahorn so much it forced them to change, morale of the story is that your life might be shit but if you'll try hard enough you might force some change for others, are people really so blind they can't see that?

>>155423120
>Otherwise it works exactly the same way.
No it doesn't. Dainsleifs are stationary and require either assistance or special, bulky, machinery to load and a single Dainsleif isn't that powerful, which is why they are generally deployed in teams.
In the UC, a single mobile suit with a beam weapon can sink a fucking fleet.

Conceptually they are entirely different.

>>155421802
Yeah it was good, even if the first half of the first season was dull and the ending wasn't all that great. Give it a year or so and people will stop calling it the worst Gundam ever, it's just /a/ being /a/.

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>>155415605

>only watch the first season

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What was the best part of IBO and why was it Atra going baby crazy?

>>155423623
Dainslief doesn't require a power source and you can literally spam a million of them from miles away and instantly rape everything. It's fucking bullshit.

>>155421738
>nazi memer loves Seed
Why am I not surprised. Looks like their shit taste applies to everything.

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>>155422171
apparently not

you might want to watch it again

>>155423802
>doesn't require a power source
Yes but they require MS-sized special metal rods and the second part of your post can be applied to beam weapons as well only difference is that even tiny mobile suits can have 'em.

>>155423914
The ammo is literally metal sticks made of rapeanium that they have an unlimited supply of.

>>155423021
I wholeheartedly disagree
from the ground tilting when you tilt your chest/head, to the lack of haptic feedback and limited space to run/walk in, it just ends up messy
the best thing to do is have a control system that's heavily aided by computers and algorithms aided by surveillance of ground type and shape

>>155423381
ppl just shitposting

I think most people understand this

>>155423771
this meme makes no sense

nice to test out your photoshop skills tho

>>155423381

No they didn't. They actually made Gjallarhorn even stronger in the end.

>>155423941
How does that matter? The ammo is still fucking huge and it's impossible to carry a large amount of it into combat or reload during a direct fire fight. Again conceptually beam weapons and Dainsleif are completely different. Their only similarity is that they hit hard and are long ranged.

>>155423363
Nope.