DRAGON BALL SUPER

>>154828508
>Is Sidra the worst Hakaishin
By definition he is the worst.

>>154828527

He's not /ourguy/, half of the DB thread hate the manga, the other half like it.

>>154828508
>then was Vermoud
>now is Sidra

Will Toyo draw every God for Twitter?

>>154828508
Reminder OP is a dumb fuck who made the thread before bump limit.

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Who will he rape, bois?

>>154828759
smugpup

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>>154828508

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>>154828508
>>154828668

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>starting a new thread before the bump limit

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>>154828508
manga black a shit

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>>154828508
>Manga Black is literally Xicor

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>>154828801
>easily ass blasted if something doesn't go his way like a child
Mmm

https://u.nya.is/ehxitj.mp4
>y-y-you're just an appertizer

https://u.nya.is/kcmplb.mp4
>destroys random buildings in a fit of rage

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>>154828508
>toyo is original!

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Leave Black and Zamasu to me!!!

Please guys just stop

This is my thread
I want a nice thread

Just
Stop

>>154828811
>Joker and Harley Quinn knock-offs are actually good
>Vermoud hates evil and loves the pride-troopers
Based.

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>>154828508
>>154828811
I wish the manga was weekly.

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>>154828952
I hope you have a nice thread too, not much I can do about it though.

Zamasu>Cell>Freeza>Buu

>>154829041
good thing that abomination will die

>>154829041
Don't let the haters get to you
#protectourpuppy

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>>154828952
>This is my thread
And you're autistic for making the thread early.

>Jiren isn't gonna be some hack skills enemy like Hit or some "invincible" enemy like Buu
>he's just gonna be straight up strong like Frieza
Can't wait.

>>154829041
Aw I love you smugpupfag

>>154829073
Freeza,Cell,Buu>>>>>>>>Trash>>>Zamasu
ftfy

>>154829107
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA not in the anime

>oh no we need to make more episodes but Hit is already surpassed! He can improve himself and go 10 times stronger in seconds then!
>oh no we need to make more episodes but Black is already surpassed! He can go angry until get an edgy scythe capable to shatter the space and create clones then, after be able to get zenkais even not being severely injured!
>oh no we need to make more episodes but Jiren is already surpassed! He [asspull] then!

>>154828648
A few vocal Toeishills spamming the same copy pasta isn't "half" the thread.

>>154824448

Would be neat if Gohan got the same sometime during the tournament and we would get some sort of explanation for it.

>>154828952

Filter is your best friend

>>154829255
A few vocal Toyoshills spamming the same copy pasta isn't "half" the thread.

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>>154829141
>being this factually correct
wew

>>154829313
You must be new here.

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The manga is such an enigma compared to the anime it's so laughable. No one reviews it, rarely anyone gives it praise, and it's made by some shit fan fiction-tier artist/author. No, it's not "more canon" because Toriyama approves of it. It isn't written by him, nor is it drawn by him. Same goes for the anime, but at least that's more enjoyable than the terribly handled story-telling in the manga. The manga will never become anything outside of V-Jump and the volumes issued. When someone says "Dragon Ball Super," first thing that'll come to their minds is the anime, not the promotional, garbage manga. Toyble's involvement with this series was a huge mistake. He's bringing in material from his AF doujins, and even based one of the new God of Destruction from a GT antagonist. How bad is that? Only Toyble could come up with something like it. Toriyama doesn't care about Toyble, he's simply glad that he doesn't have to draw Dragon Ball anymore himself.

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>>154828801
>>154828846

Toyocucks starting manga v anime wars in the new thread again

Typical

>>154829255
DBS threads are mostly about anime discussion you delusional toyocuck. YOU are the obnoxious vocal minority here.

>>154829255
no cares abou the manga except westcusk. japan prefers te anime more

>>154829348
>mangavados.png
Ok.

>>154829373
Wrong it's about the franchise as a whole, debating and calling each other cucks is what little dumb bitches like you do because you're inesecure about Toei's poor product.

>>154829378
S-Sorry Ken Sama!

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Reminder that Dragon Ball Super is considered the blunder of the century because of Toei's shoddy production

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlrcxeQau1E

>>154829363
First image is clearly a Toeishill post.

>>154829105
It wasn't even that early, and to be fair I wanted out of the anime black vs manga black shitposting

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>>154829348
wow what a wall of text
I don't consider the manga or the anime canon because super is shit. People considered GT canon once.

New Rule: all anime v manga discussion must be done in the form of shitty and stale pasta such as these
>>154829348
>>154828929
>>154828846
>>154828878
>>154828582
Examples right here.

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Anime

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2016/05/09/future-trunks-arc-announced-dragon-ball-super/

>I write an outline of the entire plot, then the script writers break it up into episodes, expanding on things, changing things around, or adding in new bits as need be.

>Even I haven’t checked the final script yet.
>Let’s enjoy this together (laughs)!!

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-history-book-akira-toriyama-introduction/

>I had put Dragon Ball behind me, but seeing how much that live-action film ticked me off, and how I revised that script for the anime movie and complained about the quality of the TV anime, I suppose somewhere along the line it’s become a series I like too much to ever leave alone.

Manga

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-web-version/

>Speaking of the manga, I want to ask you two about how you put the manga together. I hear Toriyama-sensei checks the storyboards for each chapter.
>Toriyama: That’s right.

>Back when Toriyama-sensei was drawing the manga, the animators would use his manga panels as reference, imitating the composition and things like that. And now it seems that the animators are likewise using Toyotaro-sensei‘s manga as reference.
>Toriyama: Oh, that’s good! That should keep them on track!

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2016-10-26/dragon-ball-super-toyotarou/.107579

>Every month, I'll create a storyboard for him to review, and then he'll give me input and suggest changes. When I'm working with Toriyama, there are many portions he gives me props for coming up with, but he is very particular about other things and always points them out for me to correct. And when he corrects me, I think “Wow, I guess I don't completely understand the way he looks at things,” so his corrections and feedback are incredibly accurate and helpful. It's a lot of fun to be able to get closer to his way of thinking

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>154829601

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-book-version/


>I’m really grateful to you. I never thought an artist like you would come along to draw the continuation of my story!

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2016-10-26/dragon-ball-super-toyotarou/.107579

>What is your relationship with the Dragon Ball Super anime?

>At this point, I'm not very involved with it. I think going forward, I'll be more involved, but at this point in time, I actually receive more information from the anime team than I give to them. The anime is a little bit further along than I am, but in the near future I'll be ahead, so the information will be going back to them. Regardless, we'll continue to support one another as we go forward.

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>>154828811
Fixed

>>154829483
450 posts is early. Wait for 500 posts like everyone else which is the bump limit.

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Toyo's Future Trunks Arc started off strong (good art, Trunks training with the Z-Sword, better Dabura fight)

But then I quickly realized it got progressively worse:

- Goku never fights his evil doppelganger
- Zamasu fights Kibito instead of Goku (making his hatred for Goku less personal)
- Zamasu could've just as easily been impressed with Hit than Goku (a mortal beating someone with godly ki)
- No SS Kid Trunks knocking some sense into Future Trunks
- No Human Resistance to give Trunks/Mai motivation
- No Future Yajirobe saving the day. No Future Yajirobe at all
- SSB Vegeta was losing to regular SS Black
- Next trip, SSG Vegeta toys with SSRose Black
- Goku/Vegeta fight Zamasu/Black, instead of Goku/Trunks
- Goku uses the Mafuba instead of Trunks/Mai
- No SSRage Trunks. While it came out of nowhere, at least it made him able to fight somewhat near the same tier as Goku/Vegeta
- Trunks sidelined in his own arc
- Trunks isn't a leader like he is in the anime. No scene of Vegeta seeing Trunks as a leader and being proud
- Black has a less interesting personality in the manga. He also rarely uses his rose sword
- No flashback of Black killing Chi-chi and Goten
- No Goku raging because of the above flashback
- Vegeta is supposed to lose 90% of his power after using SSB (according to Chapter 13), but he uses it with SSG one right after the other without losing any power.
- No "I AM VEGETA-SAMA!!"

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>>154829572
Every single DBS thread are just the same people copying and pasting the same old posts again. There's literally no discussion here and that's why these threads should not be allowed on /a/ when there's no new episode/chapter.

>>154829449
Are u delusional? It's a pic comparing the anime to something else entirely

>>154829730
Toyo's F.Trunks arc is basically a watered-down version of the Anime's

I don't see how anyone can actually find it better

>>154828508
A shitty reboot series with shitty story shitty fillers, shitty animation, shitty cig, and shitty fans

>>154829716
who is making these pastas?

>>154829601
You know this is completely irrelevant ever since DB Room happened right?

Does Buu have the potential to train and become noticeably stronger? He's clearly never trained a day in his life, could he get stronger like Frieza did?

>>154829818
>I don't see how anyone can actually find it better
Better writing than the crap the anime gave us.

>>154829730
>being surprised because this wall of text is new
>"well maybe this one makes sense"
>first shit I read is an inconsistency which isn't inconsistent at all because is explained in the chapter

Sorry toeishill, you lost your chance

>>154829398
>acting as if you are any better right after spouting "toeishill minority" bullshit
Nice hypocrisy

how did bulma start showing so fast?

>>154829953
There was a timeskip.

>>154829885
>training
nigga, if buu absorbs Zeno no training is needed

>>154829885
I always assumed his mind and body were static until he absorbed someone.

>>154829860
>there's a quality control, so the non canon continuity (filled with non canon stuff as SSBKK, Gregory, etc) is canon now!

Yeah no

>>154829907
So just because I enjoy one version over the other (i enjoy both but whatever), I'm a toeishill?

And how is Goku not fighting his evil doppelganger explained in the chapter? They could've easily made an excuse for jt.

>>154829076
You leave smugpup alone, even if he doesn't give a crap about people shitting on him, I do

>>154830057
You guys used to the say the anime was following Toyo's storyboards. What happened to that claim?

>>154830057
> the manga's canon despite it being in V-Jump (a Promotional Magazine), and Toyo calling it a "comicalization"

Yeah no

>>154830068
>dude fighting his evil doppelganger cliche not existing is an inconsistency
OK not even your replies are worth to read.

>>154829255
A lot of strawpoll around social media, 4chan... Etc about Manga vs anime was always a win for the Anime.

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>>154829730
> All that Trunks side-lining

Why does Toyotaro hate Trunks?

>>154830152
>Toriyama doesn't want his (and Toyotaro's) comicalization of his outline being canon because it's published in V-Jump

Yeah nop

>>154829907
>Cherrypicking parts of a post and trying to dismiss all valid points you have no arguments against

That's a nice dodge toyocuck.

Why doesn't Gowasu just use the timering to go back and eliminate Goku before he ever put the tournament idea in Zeno's head or triggered Zamasu.

My favourite thing about mangafags is them thinking DB Super sells the magazine even though we all know the only reason V-Jump sells is Yugioh

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>>154830172
When did I ever say it was an "inconsistency"?

Did you even bother to read the post?

I just meant that not having Goku vs Black is a missed opportunity, and was disappointing

>>154830265
because fuck you

>>154830234
So? Isn't like people actually think original animes aren't better than the original manga.

>>154830239
Toriyama doesn't do anything though. He actually said he was happy he didn't have to anymore.

>>154830265
Because that's fucking stupid.

>>154830239
> V-Jump

I guess DB Heroes is canon now?

>>154830271
Nobody said that Toeishill

>>154829907
He just give his own opinion.

God we can't complain about a damn thing without being called Toyocuck Or Toeishill.

FUCK you! Fuck retards like you!
Low brain!

>thread devolved into muh anime muh manga shitpost war again
The fact that these threads aren't pruned on sight is a fucking mystery.

>>154830256
>Cherrypicking
>trying to dismiss
Looks like you don't even know how to read.

>>154830331
Go look at previous threads. There were a couple of people claiming V-Jump only sells because of Toyo

>>154829907
So he just train really hard to be able to switch?

>>154830316
I never said it's canon simply because is in V-Jump, are you that retarded or just shitposting?

>>154830353
The mods are obviously shitposting too

>>154830406
I wonder if the mods are toeifags or toyofags

>>154830142
What? Why anyone would say that? Seriously, I'm missing some interview?

>>154830396
That's Toyos answer to everything. Next we'll have they trained so hard they can breath in space or some other bullshit

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>be me
>tired of toei's shit with the anime
>recommended the manga by some anons
>said to be several times better than the anime
>signmethefuckup.jpg
>gets around to reading it
>it's even worse than the anime
>rushed story
>fucked up power scaling
>shit choreography in fights
>too many "homages" to the old manga because the artist is a hack who lacks creativity
>bland characters

>>154830291
It's the contrary.

Anime is always more popular than the Manga.
But DBS manga is even worse, the Anime came out before, so people care less about it.

>>154830483
What you mean you haven't trained to breathe in space yet?

>>154830422
They're split otherwise one side would have been banned ages ago

>>154830340
>he give his opinion about the manga but didn't read the fucking manga!
Yeah I know, fucking retarded huh?

>>154830522
Prove it that he didn't read it!
Just because you like a thing doesn't mean that everyone should.

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>>154828878
>>154828922
Exclusive sneak peak at Toyo's version of Zamasu's Light of Justice form

>>154830362
Looks like you're going off on a tangent because someone could read the true intent behind your post.

>>154830451
What is your relationship with the Dragon Ball Super anime?

At this point, I'm not very involved with it. I think going forward, I'll be more involved, but at this point in time, I actually receive more information from the anime team than I give to them. The anime is a little bit further along than I am, but in the near future I'll be ahead, so the information will be going back to them. Regardless, we'll continue to support one another as we go forward.

>Goku just trained to be able to go KKx20?
>Goku and Gohan just trained to be relaxed as SS?
>Vegeta just trained to go SS2?
>Goku just trained to go SS2 AND SS3?
>Gotenks just trained to go SS2 AND SS3?

>That's Tori's answer to everything!!!

>>154830600
What make this worst is that you're probably right.

>>154830234
No manga has won all the ones on /a/ how new r u?

>>154830609

I literally come to these threads to lurk and see if smugpupfag has drawn anything else or is rambling on about random shit, occasionally an interesting discussion pops up of which I join in on, but anything to do with anime manga or power level scaling I immediately ignore

>>154830522
> Didn't read the manga

How the fuck would you even know I didn't read it?

By providing specific points about the manga, that I personally didn't like? Oh wait

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>>154828508
Idk but these are the best waifus
>1. Vados
>2. Marcarita
>3. U10 Angel
>4. Towa
>5. Chronoa

>>154830585
He mentioned how is Vegeta able to switch between SSG and SSB without lose power if there's supposed to be a cooldown, but chapter 21 explains that Vegeta trained trying to master the form so he's not affected anymore, so clearly he didn't read it.

>>154830636
People complained about Vegeta becoming stronger than black by training with more power.

People complain now about vegeta being able to switch form by training.

I personally think that Toyotaro just doesn't want to do the same thing than the Anime.

Not that one is better than the other, Toyotaro just try to tell the same story in a different manner.

Which explain why vegeta has more screentime while Goku and trunks have much less, it was the contrary in the Anime.

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>>154830600
Looks better than this Bio Broly shit.

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>>154830697
Pretty good list.

>>154830601
>the true intent behind your post
Sure dude, you totally catch me, you can read my mind, it's that, right?

>>154830750
He's probably disappointed because the drawback from SSB which was a good idea is no more.

>>154830636
>Goku just trained to be able to go KKx20?
He trained his body to withstand 100x gravity which allowed his body to handle higher Kaioken multipliers. Back then gravity training made sense
>Goku and Gohan just trained to be relaxed as SS?
This made perfect sense. All they did was spend as much time as possible in the form instead of using it during fights.
>Vegeta just trained to go SS2?
At that point everyone knew Super Saiyan had a higher level and Vegeta achieved two of them in a year so given that he had seven years it makes sense he could get the actual ascended Saiyan form
>Goku just trained to go SS2 AND SS3?
Same explanation as Vegeta except that he could do more since he was dead.
>Gotenks just trained to go SS2 AND SS3?
Goten and Trunks were already Super Saiyans and their fusion is their talent combined. Goku also gave them instructions on how to transform.

So as you can see at least Tori explained how they trained while Toyo just says they trained and leaves it at that

>>154830779
You truly have shit taste.

>>154830609
I don't get it
Toyo production may be ahead, that doesn't mean he's doing anime storyboards or something, just like he mentions how anime was ahead at that moment but that doesn't mean he follows anime's storyboards

>>154829730
>- No SSRage Trunks. While it came out of nowhere, at least it made him able to fight somewhat near the same tier as Goku/Vegeta

I'd much rather Trunks be sidelined in his own arc than getting some bullshit powerup that gives him such a ridiculous leap in power.

Super Saiyan God in general is already a huge asspull. Making something that's even more of an asspull give a comparable level of strength is just retarded.

>>154830875
>while Toyo just says they trained and leaves it at that
You just described Toei.

>>154830875
>Toyo just says they trained and leaves it at that
Wrong, Vegeta training to overcome his vital weakness actually drives the plot forward.
What Vegeta did in the anime where he magically powered up (even though 3 years didn't help) after only 6 months of training in the RoSaT was dumb.
If he actually had a reason to improve something it would be a different story like in the manga, but all he did was train hard with a bit of extra drive.

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>>154831018
>Super Saiyan God
>asspull

>>154830772
>Which explain why vegeta has more screentime while Goku and trunks have much less, it was the contrary in the Anime.

No fucking shit, the whole premise of the arc was the return of trunks and the appearance of an evil Goku, the anime actually bothered using that to its advantage and as its guide.

Black in the manga really feels like it could have been someone else instead of Goku., the anime actually gives you a believable reason for him to be chosen and manages to make Zamasu's actions more emotionally engaging that way.

>>154831018
As if Toyotaro isn't able to give a power boost to trunks in a coherent way.

He's just a fanboy about vegeta, goku hasn't even fight black once.

It's already too late to give justice to trunks, if he kill Zamasu, it will be by borrowing goku's Genkidama and nothing else.

Such a let down.

>>154831053
Toriyama showed us how they trained to achieve what they did. Toyotaro just said Vegeta trained to get of his weakness. He didn't describe the training itself.

>>154831113
>Toriyama showed us how they trained to achieve what they did
How does Toriyama have anything to do with Toei's shit for that episode?

>>154831053
He needed to save his son, it's nothing like training to a tournament.

He had something to surpass directly.

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>>154831018
>I'd much rather Trunks be sidelined
>I'd rather have the Human Resistance and Future Yajirobe not exist

Why don't you just say you prefer DBS as the Goku/Vegeta show?

>>154831138
Thanks for proving my point that that is a pure bullshit excuse in comparison to Toyo's take with how Vegeta actually trains to overcome his weakness.

>He trained his body to withstand 100x gravity
So gravity rooms are an excuse but RoSaT isn't?

>All they did was spend as much time as possible in the form instead of using it during fights.
Yeah and Vegeta has been activating the form a lot of times for 4 years so he mastered the transformation.

>At that point everyone knew...
Not an excuse at all. Vegeta just trained.

>he could do more since he was dead.
He just trained as well, but he trained even more.

>Goten and Trunks were already Super Saiyans and Gotenks is talented
So talented that he just trained weeks in RoSaT until be able to go SS2 and SS3, your point?

>Goku also gave them instructions on how to transform.
Is this some kind of Z filler? Because isn't in DB manga.

>>154831170
Almost every single manga chapter for the Trunks arc was centered around Trunks besides 2.

>>154831133
I responded to this >>154830636 where the guy was claiming Toriyama made the same mistake as Toyotaro did. You should learn to follow posts

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>>154831106
>if he kill Zamasu, it will be by borrowing goku's Genkidama and nothing else
How do you know that anon? Are you Toyotaro?

>>154831201
mean to reply >>154830875

>>154830685
Well maybe you read the manga except that pages in which is explained something you ignored in that post, is that what happened?

>>154831217
That has nothing to do with my post specifically about Vegeta's time training in comparison to the manga and anime so fuck off.
Can't think of a comeback as to why Vegeta's training is pure shit in the anime? Take your sweet ass time.

>>154831171
He just used AF for that, not really smart.

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>>154830609
I find these threads more interesting than shows I'm actually invested in that come on at around the same time or around the same place in the week as Dragon Ball Super.

For me Dragon Ball Super is nothing more than clinging onto nostalgia and it comes on at a convenient time. I have however accidentally for a bit of fun gotten too invested in an almost completely made up character as you guys know now as Smugpup.

Sure, watching the show live with a few other fans of the series as long as it's not on Sherming7 (holy shit the fans there are cancer) is pretty fun.

Otherwise Super just feels dull, and subpar to everything else I'm watching in terms of animation quality and storytelling. I don't even know who or what I should be rooting for because everyone comes off as naive, moronic or they have the memories of goldfish and forget what emotion or concerns they just felt a minute ago. I dunno it's just really hard to get behind anyone right now.

I don't have too much hope for the series at the moment, and I'm half prepared for when Smugpup turns out to be a completely unlikable one dimensional character that I'll be rooting against, Of course I'll be sad, but I've had fun.

>>154830683
Do I really mean that much to people here? I honestly thought I just come off as a bit of an attention whore. and I'm not really going to deny it.

Also just reposting the drawing I'm slowly coloring in, didn't like the deep red color I chose for the tassels / legwraps earlier because it reminded me of Gohan so I changed them to white to match his muzzle color.

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Reasons why the manga isn't canon:
> Toriyama lets Toyble create his own OC
> It's in V-Jump (Promotional Mag)
> Toyo's "Comicalization" quote
> It's not a complete work (BoG skipped around, RoF completely absent). Dependent on other works.

Reasons why the Anime isn't canon:
> Toriyama lets Toei create their own OC
> It's Toei?...Toriyama never called Toei his successor (despite Tori being a manga artist, not animator)?
> ???

>>154831284
>AF
Invisible Kaioken was in the Namek arc you newfag.

>>154831309
>Toyo's "Comicalization" quote
He didn't say it's a comicalization of the anime, it's clearly a "comicalization" in regards to Toriyama's Plot Outlines (which was later confirmed in Toyo's interview at Comic Con)

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70% of every Super thread is the same shit, I don't know why I even bother coming here, so I'll just post Lazuli and go to sleep, can you say goodnight to me?

>>154831056
5 Saiyans being pure hearted joining hands to make one turn into a god is pretty fucking asspully, yeah. What about any of that makes any amount of sense?

And you know it's an asspull when Toriyama writes up a new origin for Bardock that has Frieza offhandedly mention Super Saiyan God so it doesn't seem as completely out of nowhere as it is.

>>154831170
The human resistance existing was whatever, but if the lack of it means we don't have those annoying as shit kids, then I'm all for not having them around.

Future Yajirobe being there made no sense.

>Why don't you just say you prefer DBS as the Goku/Vegeta show?

I don't. I've hated Super until very recently where they finally decided to give Gohan and Buu something resembling a spotlight, and I absolutely want to see what Tien/Roshi/17/18/Piccolo/Krillin will get to do.

The Trunks/Zamasu arc was a piss poor way of trying to make someone other than Goku/Vegeta relevant. All it did was make me dislike Trunks due to how nothing involving him made any sense. It was the absolute worst type of fan pandering.

>>154831218
What can he do?
Too late to give him a power up, it will be a let down, he was never able to threat to black and zamasu.

>>154831213
See >>154829730

- Goku/Vegeta fight Zamasu/Black, instead of Goku/Trunks
- Goku uses the Mafuba instead of Trunks/Mai
- No SSRage Trunks. While it came out of nowhere, at least it made him able to fight somewhat near the same tier as Goku/Vegeta
- Trunks sidelined in his own arc
- Trunks isn't a leader like he is in the anime. No scene of Vegeta seeing Trunks as a leader and being proud

>>154831213
This. Pretty much everyone who is complaining about Trunks getting "sidelined" are just impatient because he didn't do much in this new chapter.

>>154831218
Just see his AF to predict the outcome, he takes his ideas there.

>>154831276
> dodging my post this hard

I guess you can't come up with anything other than "lol read the manga" (which if you read the post, I clearly did)

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>>154828508
Am I at where "shit gets real" in Super yet?

>>154831340
>clearly a "comicalization" in regards to Toriyama's Plot Outlines

Yes. "Clearly" if you reach hard enough.

>>154831314
You haven't read AF did you?

>>154830265
The time ring can only go forward and then back, you fuck.

>>154831432
How is he going to comicalize the anime when the manga started one month ahead and was ahead in the plot up until episode 36?

>>154831292
You don't mean THAT much to me, I mean yeah I like your designs and all, but knowing someone who isn't going to jump at someone's neck and call them retarded when someone disagrees with them is just refreshing, that's all. Even if smugpup turns out ot be a complete disappointment I'll remember your version of smugpup.

>>154831106
>if he kill Zamasu, it will be by borrowing goku's Genkidama and nothing else.

So, the coherent power boost?

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>>154831292
>Sure, watching the show live with a few other fans of the series as long as it's not on Sherming7 (holy shit the fans there are cancer) is pretty fun.

>Otherwise Super just feels dull, and subpar to everything else I'm watching in terms of animation quality and storytelling. I don't even know who or what I should be rooting for because everyone comes off as naive, moronic or they have the memories of goldfish and forget what emotion or concerns they just felt a minute ago. I dunno it's just really hard to get behind anyone right now.

>>154831460
says who

>>154831434
His instant bursts of form-dancing is clearly a nod to Goku weaving in Kaioken for the moment of impact.
What Toyo did hear is clearly an homage to the original Namek Saga and doesn't need to have any relationship to the form-dancing in the AF manga.

>>154831512
Gowasu, you ignorant fuck.

>>154831501
A coherent shitty power boost that anyone can have.

Why not having Kaioshin killing zamasu then?

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>>154831359
People always say before a new chapter comes out that "only x thing can happen", but Toyotaro always comes up with something different that nobody would have guessed before.

You are too fixated on what happened in the anime and you're forgetting that Toyotaro already said that the development in the manga will be different.

>>154831515
The pages posted here comparing AF and the manga look too much the same.

>>154829730
- Doesn't need to happen, Goku would have lost and Vegeta doesn't get to shine that much.
- He doesn't hate Goku specifically, but most mortals. He was attacked by a resident of Barbari, thus thinking they were immoral and rash. When he learned that mortals could rival Gods in power (by watching Goku fight) he feared that mortals would drag the gods into their senseless "conflicts" and sought to kill them all
- No he wouldn't. Hit was nothing compared to Super Saiyan Blue, he didn't match up at all.
- I'll admit it was a nice moment, but we've already got some form of interaction/bonding between the two in the cart chapter. Also
- Better to leave them dead than give Trunks his asspulls. Besides that Black/Zamasu are a little more serious in their mission and actively killed them.
- Wasn't he killed by future android 17 and 18?
- No. That's not whats happening at all, Vegeta went to the Hyperbolic Timechamber and removed the Super Saiyan Blue weakness (the one where you lose 90% power if you transform twice. Also don't give me this BS about retcon, Super Saiyan used to drain hard until Goku and Gohan made it normal). Basically whenever he was going to move or attack he would go blue in a splitsecond and then back to Super Saiyan God conserve more power and energy.
- Trunks fighting Black was bullshit and you know it. The fact that he could do anything at all was bullshit
- I'm all in for the concept of SSRage, but it made no sense. How did Trunks gain so much power to even harm guys like Black? What even was it? These questions are not explained, a tiny bit of exposition would have been nice.
- Unfortunately he is, but if making him relevant comes at the cost of several inconsistencies I would not make him relevant. Besides that, I do feel he's going to slay merged Zamasu in the manga regardless
- One of my grievances as well
Continued in next post

>>154831608
That doesn't change the fact that the Momentary Kaioken stems from the original manga material.

>>154831574
>no EX Fusion between SS4 Gogeta with Super Blue Vegetto
ONE JOB

>>154831424
Yes.

>>154831201
>So gravity rooms are an excuse but RoSaT isn't?
Goku's body went from being able to withstand 10x earth's gravity to 100x earth's gravity and this also increased his body's capability to withstand higher levels of Kaioken. I don't get why you think this is an excuse.
>Yeah and Vegeta has been activating the form a lot of times for 4 years so he mastered the transformation.
It only works for the original Super Saiyan . SSB is a further transformation from an alternate route that has stamina issues. You can't get used to that
>Not an excuse at all. Vegeta just trained.
They already knew how to get higher levels and Vegeta given that he had seven years and could also ask Gohan him achieving SSJ2 makes sense
>He just trained as well, but he trained even more.
Dead bodies have advantages that living ones don't. When Goku was dead he didn't suffer from SSJ3 stamina issues.
>So talented that he just trained weeks in RoSaT until be able to go SS2 and SS3, your point?
They were FPSSJs when they were seven while Goku and Vegeta were adults and had to train a lot to get to that power. Besides they can only go SSJ3 as Gotenks which is a fusion and we know Fusions have insane capabilities
>Is this some kind of Z filler? Because isn't in DB manga.
No clue I don't remember whether it's from the manga or anime

>>154831559
Because this is Future Trunks arc, not Shin arc

Trunks being the one killing Zamasu using the power of all the ningen left in U7 is perfect

>>154831309
>Toriyama lets Toyble create his own OC
What? Toyotaro is Toriyama sucessor, they work together. You can't pretend their manga isn't canon because Toriyama works with his pupil.

>It's in V-Jump (Promotional Mag)
Are you pretending Toriyama cares?

>Toyo's "Comicalization" quote
See >>154831340

>BoG skipped
Isn't skipped.

>RoF absent
RoF isn't supposed to be part of DBS. First arc Toriyama created for DBS is Champa arc, Toyotaro retell BoG because he needed to show how Goku didn't absorbed SSG's power in the new continuity, but he don't need retell RoF (specially when he already did special chapters for the movie), RoF is canon except that Goku used SSG instead "beyond god" to fight Freeza.
Also a story not being told means nothing. Where's the manga/anime/movie/anything with Tao Pai Pai killing Mr Satan's master? That's canon, Toriyama said it, but details are a mistery.

>>154831605
Well trunks feels useless in the Manga.

I guess this anon is right then >>154830772

>>154831283
Then why did you respond to me when I was responding to the guy shitting on Toriyama?

>>154831682
Beause you said this:
>>154831053
>>Toyo just says they trained and leaves it at that
Where clearly the anime version had it much much worse so I corrected you.

>>154831640
>Ningen he has no connection with
>Perfect that trunks is just a choice, not the only one who can do it since Kaioshin, Gowasu can do it.

Far from perfect.

>>154831515
Kaioken isn't a transformation.

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>>154831424
I miss him.

>>154831672
>What? Toyotaro is Toriyama sucessor, they work together. You can't pretend their manga isn't canon because Toriyama works with his pupil

Did you forget the interview where Toriyama ENCOURAGES Toyo to include his own OC?

Technically the original point you are criticizing is correct

>>154831741
So? It's clearly a "state" or "form" where it has a stamina drain.
Using it sparingly for the moment of impact is the important factor here.

>>154831735
This, it's so much a let down.

>LOL trunks will kill Zamasu just because he has to do
>It's his arc so killing the bad guy without build up is enough.

>>154831399
I'm serious, you mentioned something which explanation is already in the manga, you simply didn't read it. Now enjoy your (You), this is the last one.

>>154831672
>RoF absent
RoF has Saiyan Beyond God but Toyo brought back SSG.
>RoF is canon except that Goku used SSG instead "beyond god" to fight Freeza
Toyo skipped that and his special chapter literally told us to watch the movie at the end.
>That's canon, Toriyama said it
Toyo never said Goku used SSG to defeat Frieza

>>154831672
>>BoG skipped
>Isn't skipped.

Never said it was completely skipped, but it skipped around...as in jumping from scene to another

>>154831735
Won't happen because it's not Shin/Gowasu arc

>>154831783
Same, he was a frightening motherfucker.

>>154831795
>Did you forget the interview where Toriyama ENCOURAGES Toyo to include his own OC?
Of course you have to add your own content, Toriyama's plot outlines is just some chicken scratch on a paper napkin.

>>154831825
> still no argument
> still clinging to vague "Goku vs Black isn't in the manga because they explain it in the manga"

I don't know what I expected

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>>154831783
>>154831853
>Suck my dick ningens.

>>154831854
Exactly my point

>>154831846
>Lul trunks will kill the villain without build up because the arc use his name so it's epic by default without being forced and rushed

>>154831723
Except that guy and I were comparing the original DB manga and the DBS manga. The anime was irrelevant to what was being discussed.

>>154831911
It's not my fault that arc is so shit

Who wins, 1000 Super Shenrons or Zeno?

>>154831944
It's not irrelevant because you critcized the manga for having the Time Chamber be a bullshit excuse without "explanation" and yet the anime suffered much more.
You can't just point the finger at Toyo when clearly there was a fundamental issue was present in the plot outline that both continuities had.
Besides, like I said earlier: Having Vegeta overcome his weakness is much better than randomly becoming more powerful than a hax zenkai character without explanation.

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>>154831911
>forced and rushed
Mmm

>>154831846
You don't understand.

It feels forced because KAIOSHIN AND GOWASU CAN.
I don't care if they will or not do this, the fact that they can is enough to show that trunks isn't unique in this arc.

>>154829730
Continued from >>154831619
- Anime Black was entertaining, but you can attribute that to his Godawful OP ability of getting more powerful the more damage he receives. He's only smug because he KNOWS they can't beat him, and that he'll eventually triumph.. I bet you if Anime Black didn't have that BS power boost he would be the same as Manga Black. The rose sword is something I liked so it is a flaw of the manga to not use it
- To be honest it's completely irrelevant. Goku gets fucking crushed easily, so why have a rage scene? He didn't kick their asses at all, perhaps maybe Zamasu but lets be honest Goku can do nothing to him.
- Same thing as above
- Already explained, it was removed through extreme training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber
- It was a dumb speech, he says that only Goku could use his saiyan cells to the fullest yet Black zenkais and kicks their asses more. It was a good moment when the episode released but it's dumb when next episode he got his asskicked immediately.

>>154832020
It was epic, asspull but epic. The ost and animation make it up.
The connection he has with the ningen, their revenge was epic.

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>>154831053
>Wrong, Vegeta training to overcome his vital weakness actually drives the plot forward.
What a nice joke, SSJG is not necessary to the plot, it could have been normal SSB instead and it wouldn't have made difference.

This part of the manga is incredibly contrived as hell because toyble really wanted to make a shitty AF reference while fangasming over the form that was swept under the rug as quickly as it was introduced.

And it's not even the fact he is using SSJG at all, it's the fact he very clearly had to backpedal on what he established chapters ago when he could've had SSJG vegeta simply be stronger than black rather than having him transform back and forth between it and SSB.


>If he actually had a reason to improve something it would be a different story like in the manga,
It's not like wanting to kill the asshole who is trying to slaughter your son is enough motivation for him to train harder amirite?

>>154832006
That guy claimed Toriyama's manga had the same problems that people claimed Toyotaro's manga did and I gave my reasons why I thought The original DB didn't have those problems. So yeah the anime is irrelevant to this discussion

>>154832077
>It was epic, asspull but epic.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>154832020
>Trunks can just give the sword to Shin or Gowasu
>They kill Zamasu
>But here's not forced and rushed :-)

>>154831735
His motivation in the manga is different. He wants to get peace back.

>>154832054
The rage was great. We never see goku being this pissed off since namek.

You have shit taste.

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>>154831853
>>154831901

>>154832142
It was irrelevant though. When I see rage it needs to do something, not make the villains laugh and then kick his ass.

>>154832114
Shin is between SS1 and SS2 level and Gowasu isn't even a fighter you fucking retard.

>DBfags actually had an argument that has lasted for months about a shitty anime and manga
You guys make me laugh. DBfags are the most pathetic fanbase on /a/

>>154832092
>he very clearly had to backpedal on what he established chapters ago when he could've had SSJG vegeta simply be stronger than black rather than having him transform back and forth between it and SSB.
This made no sense at all, how can you criticize Vegeta or the writer for having him improve on his own weakness?
Just because you're used to the non explained asspulls of the anime doesn't mean you can trash a well explained use of God Ki and stamina as contrived.

>>154832114
He has connection with them, also trunks was strong enough to face black/zamasu.

In the Manga, he can't do shit to them, so if he kill them, it will not be thanks to his own power.

>>154832077
>It was epic, asspull but epic.
>Trunks pulls a genkidama (technique he never saw) out of his ass without build up because the arc use his name so it's epic by default without being forced and rushed

kek no

>>154832131
>Peace in Deadland
>Implying it's better than caring about humans lives

>>154831292
I agree, right now I find it hard to give a fuck about the characters. You provided a really simple altruistic vision of a character that has yet to appear, and I find that so much easier to get behind because it has a goal and purpose that isn't sociopathic as fuck.

I mean you know a show has completely fucked up when I find myself more interested and willing to support some random anon's furshit headcanon character than any of the characters that have featured in the series for over a decade.

It's fucking shitty writing and pacing and I don't even know which one of the 3 Ts I should be blaming for it, if not all 3. I swear if your fucking smugpup doesn't turn out to be the way you envisioned I'm dropping Super because it has nothing going for it at all.

>>154832178
Who cares, it's the sword that has the power, not Trunks

>>154832201
>so if he kill them, it will not be thanks to his own power.

So, like the anime

>>154832201
>In the Manga, he can't do shit to them, so if he kill them, it will not be thanks to his own power.
Yeah, because he totally used his own power in the anime and didn't borrow it from everyone, right?

>>154831638
>Goku's body...
Excuses. I'm not saying is bad or something, is an excuse. How can Goku do that? He trained, that's the excuse, and works. Vegeta trained as well, that's the excuse, cry if you don't like it.

>It only works for the original Super Saiyan...
>You can't get used to...
Too bad Toyotaro isn't agree (and Toriyama is OK with it) and there's absolute nothing to prove you're right. You thought something which isn't true, deal with it.

>They already knew how to get higher levels
Because he just trained before.

>ask Gohan him achieving SSJ2 makes sense
HAHAHAHAH OK now you're hilarious. Gohan, the kid who screamed for SS2.

>Dead bodies have advantages that living ones don't.
Doesn't change you just train if you want to go SS2 and SS3 as Gotenks did.

>repeating yourself
You can keep talking about how Goten and Trunks are genius, which doesn't change they trained and... poof, new forms. That's how it works, they are so fucking amazing dudes so they surpass weaknesses, they unlock forms, they... that's how it works.

>I don't remember whether it's from the manga or anime
In the manga Goten and Trunks only saw SS3 Goku when he fought fat Boo.

>>154832093
>So yeah the anime is irrelevant to this discussion
No it isn't because you tried to pinpoint the bullshit use of the Time chamber solely on Toyotaro but the truth is that it's present in the plot outlines themselves and is even worse in the anime.
You clearly can't point the blame on Toyotaro in this specific case.

>>154832201
>it will not be thanks to his own power.

Unless you want to say that:

SS Asspull Trunks >>> Vegetto Blue

No, that wasn't his "own power"

>>154832208
He has fight numerous times and was a threat to them.
Trunks Manga is like an audience member at a concert who suddenly sing the last part.

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>>154832246
>Who cares, it's the sword that has the power, not Trunks
Retard.

>>154832246
He used his own power and the other energy.
In the Manga, he's too weak to count on it.

>>154832330
>He has fight numerous times and was a threat to them.

>Can't kill Zamasu because he's immortal
>Can't kill Black because Zenkai magic
>threat

>>154832308
Zamasu was weakened.
But not enough to be handled by any Kaioshin.

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>>154832384
Being a threat doesn't mean killing them or own them.

Why I'm even responding to shitpost?

>>154832347
Unless Trunks had another asspull ability where he can make a lightsaber without ki, no, the sword had the power

>>154832451
He's not a threat then, because he can't do shit to them.

>>154831795
I don't get your point. Master and pupil work in the manga, and the master wants his pupil to be more involved. What's wrong with it?

>>154831828
>RoF has Saiyan Beyond God but Toyo brought back SSG.
That's why I said that part can't be canon anymore, even if other points of RoF aren't necessarily retconned at all.

>Toyo skipped
I know, so?

>Toyo never said Goku used SSG to defeat Frieza
Well OK you can say RoF is an entire mistery on the story as "how Kuririn and Lazuli's wedding was?" or "how much Goku and Chichi fuck?" besides Golden Freeza being a thing, so?

>>154831833
We know BoG was rushed because Toyotaro wanted go straight to the (actual) new arc but that doesn't mean manga isn't canon.

>>154832451
Trunks was never a threat to them, they just didn't kill him because they're shit villains

>>154832469
Did you even watch the Anime?

>>154832398
If a bunch of people, a cat, a flower, and base Vegeta and Goku is more than enough to kill Merged Zamasu, then yes, he was weakened enough to be killed by Shin or Gowasu

>>154832513
>What was garlic attack against black

He was more than a bait, without having off screen fight.

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>>154831879
I'm not talking about that part because something that you want to happen not happening isn't an inconsistency you literal retard. This is the last one, be grateful

>>154832171
>>154831901
>>154831853
Fuck off Zamasu

>>154832517
Yes, Trunks couldn't do shit to Black or Zamasu, even with power ups pulled out of his ass

b-but he tried! So the end of the arc is epic!

>>154832568
You didn't watch the Anime.
Merged zamasu still resisted to trunks SSR
That's shitposting from you

>>154832577
>Daddy help me!
>Oh no, we didn't do shit, don't worry, Goku's here!

Oh my god, so epic

>>154832459
>the sword had the power
It's just a regular sword, it depends on the power of whoever is using it to do more damage retard. If the sword had the power, then even Mai could defeat Merged Zamasu using it.

>>154832606
It's called being persevered.

In the Manga it will be an instant winning.

>>154832577
To be fair, Trunks spends most of the arc being a damsel in distress when its Goku/Vegeta time power hour.

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>People still think FemBroly is from U11
>Toppo didn't know what a Super Saiyan was
>Also this from the OP

>>154829730
trunks and vegeta relationship in the anime is much better

like where he said that he's fighting for his son future

>>154832641
>Shitposting this much

You literally described Manga trunks though.

>>154832620
>A Genkidama with the energy of earth couldn't kill Vegeta
>A Genkidama with the energy of a little group of people and some humans here and there was enough to kill Zamasu
>B-but he resisted so it makes sense

>>154832686
>people still think she's a saiyan

>>154832676
Only in the first time travel, then trunks has SSR in the second one, then Mafuba in the third one.

>>154831018
this why i hate toyo and powerlevelfags they care more about powerlevel than good story and character delovpment

>>154832739
What's funnier is it took an entire UNIVERSE powering the final Genki Dama to kill Kid Buu. Fusion Zamasu going down to that bullshit still leaves a bad taste in my mouth every time I remember it.

>>154832752
>B-b-but coherent is more fun
>Inconsistencies ruin everything
>Not like we're triggered or butthurt about everything.

>>154832747
>then trunks has SSR in the second one
>Didn't do shit
>then Mafuba in the third one.
>Didn't do shit

B-but he tried, right? So it's epic!

Trunks didn't beat Zamasu. Trunks just made Zamasu more powerful which let him kill all mortals in the multiverse. Zeno killed Zamasu. Trunks fucked up.

>>154832642
But for all we know the laser sword is just a condensed genki dama, since when did it scale with powerlevel?

>>154832782
Goku actually ruined himself for that, his arms were fucked up after that.
That was nice.

>>154832701
>Shitposting

Watch the episode again, Trunks and Vegeta couldn't do shit to Zamasu and Goku had to save the day again with the Kaioken

>>154832484
> you seem to be obsessed with this master/pupil

Toyotaro is not Toriyama's protoge/squire/student

When Toyotaro is not drawing Toriyama's drafts and including his own OC, he isn't taking lessons from "his master"

>>154832826
Well goku and Vegeta in the Manga didn't do shit then if we follow your logic.

>>154832833
Should've called on Smunks then

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>>154832686
>Also this from the OP
She's not even in that pic though.
And are you insinuating that's a pic of U6? Champa must have drafted Basil if that's the case.

>>154832588
You literally said "first point" retard

And I mentioned said point.

Whatever you obviously have nothing worth to say/can't argue anyway

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>>154832664
>It's called being persevered
So, like in the manga? He is still facing Black even though he is weaker.

>>154832948
>Offscreen fight

Not him but you should be ashamed of using this as an argument

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>>154832092

Trying to hard mate

>>154832948
He tried to fight them in the Anime TO WIN.

Here, he already know it will lost no matter what, not the same.

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>>154828878

>>154833022
>missing the point

>>154832893
Yet people call it the Goku and Vegeta show

>>154832876
You're right he is his "Chosen Successor"

>>154833095
It's the nobody show right now. It's just a fucking mess of unlikable boring characters doing the same thing over and over and making things worse.

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>>154833053
>even in the face of difficulty or with little or no prospect of success

>>154833022
>Missing the point

Ok then

>>154832876
>Toyotaro draws a lot every month for Toriyama
>Toriyama corrects him
>sometimes when Toriyama think Toyotaro work really needs an improvement he can even redraw some panels and/or add dialogue
>Toriyama and Toyotaro are happy working together

The chosen sucessor is clearly learning a lot thank to our beloved old mangaka, sorry if I look obssesed but that's the truth.

>>154833132
He's persevered about winning even with little success because he know it's possible.

In the Manga, he's either a bait or try to buy times, not really great.

>>154832092
>it's the fact he very clearly had to backpedal on what he established chapters

What?

>>154832764
The Spirit Bomb that killed Kid Buu was earth, Omega Shenron was the universal Spirit Bomb.

>>154831783
I miss goten too

>>154833130
At least we agree on something

>>154833251
I'm a different anon who replied to you though, sorry I was smugpupfag and I butted in.

>>154833198
What the fuck are you talking about. He was buying time for Goku and Vegeta in the anime too.

>>154833215
It was actually King Kai's galaxy

>>154833130
>>154833334
I agree with you anon, but may I ask how are you still able to watch this shit even though it's a boring mess?

>>154833444
Only one time.

Then tried to take them down by himself at their house.

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>tfw still to this day I STILL love this form

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>>154831783
He is smalltime.

>>154833512
Look up and find my post from earlier, that'll explain things.

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>>154832752
>random power ups
>good story

>>154833561
Fucking same anon.

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>Champa confirmed for better God of Destruction than Beerus
Will Beerusfags ever recover?

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Leave the universal power to me but first....MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAI

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>>154833686
>U7 was one the Universes scheduled for deletion
>there's no Goku to convince Zeno to hold the ToP in Trunks' new timeline
>Trunks is going to get deleted in the end anyway after all that bullshit

>>154833214
Toyble made SSB lose 90% if transformed into it in quick sucession, here he tried very clumsily to explain it away but the fact he never hinted towards it being a weakness that could be overcome by training the time it was introduced demostrates this was an afterthought rather than something he always planned, so yes, he is blatantly backpedaling on that.


So yes, this chapter makes it seem like weaknesses only exist when it's convenient for the plot to advance and can be overcome when it's necessary for the plot to move forward, and it sticks out like sore thumb specially when it could have been so easily avoided by having vegeta not turn into SSB at all and having him fight in SSJG to demonstrate his superiority against black.

>>154833561
It may be asspull, but it's also fucking amazing.

I bet that it will get explained eventually as a imperfect SSB.

>>154833823
It will not be in the Manga, it's obvious.

>>154833578
>>154833512

This one
>>154831292
Sorry was in the middle of a game couldn't scroll up to find my own post.

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Bra timeskip when? i bet she will be sucking dick 24/7, like her mother.

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>The new Samurai Jack has more blood than Super

>>154833804
>a character overcomes his own weakness
>"I-it's backpedalling! Toyble is a hack! xD"
stop posting any time.

>>154833509
Maybe in anime filler.

>>154833992
I didn't know Namekians were earthlings

tfw hi

>>154833961
Toyble is the one that wrote th weakness in the first place and never bothered to establish it as something that could be overcome by training, except when it was necessary to get rid of the weakness because it was time for the plot to move forward.

This is just shoddy writing and you're a blind fanboy for even defending it.

>>154834081
Toriyama didn't establish Super Saiyan as a form that could be bettered by training

>>154834081
shoddy writing is trying to bandaid your shit writing by adding in a 10X multiplier even though you very well know Kaiokek hurts you and SSB drains stamina.

>>154834119
He did. Why don't you actually read the orginal Toyblecuck

>>154834021
Not him but curious as about your debate I just rechecked the japanese chapter there.
It seems like they only mention getting people from Earth to for the Genkidama and there's not a single panel of Namekians sharing energy or being talked to.
Lastly the final panel where all the little balls of energy are sent off to Goku only Earth is shown.

>>154834156
Well Super Saiyan blue is just Super Saiyan with god ki
If Toriyama established that Super Saiyan can be improved, then just sprinkling god energy wouldn't remove that shit

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>>154833950
>A hallucination of Majin Vegeta will never tell you to kill yourself.

>>154834156
Yeah, after the Namek arc, "because it was time for the plot to move forward."

>>154833898
Just go watch GT you filthy spic

>>154834156
Not him but yes, SSJ got improved upon in the Time Chamber. What Vegeta did is ideally the same thing.
I also liked how he went in with a mission to train on his weakness, in the anime all he did was just go in for half a day and magically become stronger without any reason.

>>154834199
They already improved SSJ as much as possible.

>all this shitposting
it's time to take a break anons.

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>>154834285
t.salagir

>>154834295
No, I believe Toriyama mentioned SSJ could be improved and that SSJ2 and 3 could be left in the dust by it. There are still plenty of ways to better refine the transformations

Wait, Whis is a guy?

>>154834135
Nice meme but SSB since RoF was established as a form that had great stamina control, and was the reason frieza lost in the first place.

Toyble needed to create the weakness because it sure as hell wasn't something that was evident just by looking at it.

>>154834360
how many universe 8 specials have we got now with absolutely NOTHING for universe 11? And don't forget Vegito and Bra.

>>154834404
>Nice meme but SSB since RoF was established as a form that had great stamina control
Wrong it has Ki Control, which is not the same as Stamina control.
Rewatch Episode 38 when Goku explains to Hit that SSB has stamina issues you idiot.

>>154834404
Actually no. They established that Golden Frieza was an unrefined and untrained form. Goku/Vegeta had experience with SSB, and could maintain it for longer but nowhere is it said that it didn't have stamina drain.

anons it's time to stop angrily typing those keyboards and take a break from the computer enough shitposting it's time to rest.

>>154834385
It was more like regular SSJ is the most balanced with less stamina issues and so it makes no sense to use even higher versions of the regular SSJ, which is something he used in the Cell saga with SSJ full power vs the SSJ stages used by Vegeta and Trunks.

Besides SSJ gives you a x50 power up, if you ever need more power just go SSB (or SSG in the manga) why go 2 and 3 if you got something way better.

>>154834360
>he doesn't deny being a Jose
I voted Trump to keep your kind out

>>154834385
>SSJ could be improved and that SSJ2 and 3 could be left in the dust by it.
By that he meant SSB. It can't really be improved further as Goku and Vegeta noted they couldn't increase their power in a short time period anymore