What do you guys think of the new official file sizes and quality

It's called bitrate, dumbass.

>>154451074
>HorribleSubs
It's called unedited stream, dumbass.

>>154451112
>>154451344
No, they reencoded using CRF 23.
PuyaSubs also rips CR and there was not change to their quality

>>154451074
Looks like a standard rip to me as banding has always been horrible. Make sure you are using madVR or mpv with a debanding filter and then it should look better.

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>>154451399

>>154451661
Yes thank you for linking something irrelevant from before they started doing this.
Ignore the 110Mb Seiren 720p by HorribleSubs vs 350MB by Puya too familia

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>>154451661
faggot

>>154451661
>Hi10
The fuck

Horriblesubs staff is blaming CR even though other groups can rip video just fine.

>>154451399
>CRF 23
>Time Bokan 24: CRF 26.4
>Classicaloid: CRF 24.7
>BanG Dream!: CRF 23.8
>Spiritpact: CRF 21.3
>Rewrite: CRF 23.9

>>154452806
Where do you see that? I wonder what's happening since PuyaSubs! releases still have the usual file size.

>>154452788
What about them?

>>154452993
>Where do you see that? I wonder what's happening since PuyaSubs! releases still have the usual file size.
#HorribleSubs@Rizon

>>154451074
Absolutely embarassing

In other news HorribleSubs decides to cutdown on bandwidth and blames CR

>>154452806
>>154453130
More like snowfag is a retard who doesn't know what he's talking about

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DAAAAAAAAAAIAZ
OOOOOOOOOOOOONOOOOOOOOOOOOOOREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>tfw you're gonna end up having to pay for a CR account because they're not going to fix this any time soon

>>154454228
It's a thing on CRs end apparently.

>>154454251
It isn't
Read the thread
>>154452053

>>154454228
Just download Puya and paste Horrible's subs on them. Fixed.

>[HorribleSubs] Demi-chan wa Kataritai - 10 [720p].mkv
>141.18MB

The fuck?

>>154454307
I wonder if CR has different video for their US streams now unlike the Spanish streams to save bandwidth.

>>154454228

nah, we'll just use ESL-kun's .ass files and put them on a decent raw. it'll be daijouboo.

>>154454701
Make absolutely no sense to do two different video encodes for the same content.

>>154454762
Doing an encode is trivial compared to distributing it to millions of people.

>>154454820
yeah sure, they just decided to do shitty encodes for the US region at random CRFs, much more likely than HorribleSubs fucking things up

Why even care that much about quality if it isn't blu ray rip?

>>154454900
because it's unwatchable

>>154451074
the funniest thing is that some people actually pay for this

They just got absolutely shafted.

>>154454934
>the funniest thing is that some people actually pay for this
No, people who pay get better quality.
This is 100% on HorribleSubs side of things

>>154454865
Americans like being treated as third worlders, so it almost makes sense.
And then explain why they didn't reencode Urara, which is the only release of theirs not from CR.

>>154454992
because their CR auto rip script is not working?
I never said HorribleSubs did this intentionally, just that they're pretending like it's someone else problem

>>154454979
can someone with a CR subscription confirm this?

>>154455052
https://www.nyaa.se/?user=239789

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>>154454251
>>154454307
It is a thing on CR's end - they've been encoding this new low-bitrate garbage for a while, but HS has been ripping the older higher-bitrate encodes. There's been some change in configuration on CR's end that resulted in HS ripping the low-bitrate garbage instead and they haven't fixed it yet to keep ripping the better encodes as before.

Ultimately though it's only a matter of time before CR stops doing the higher bitrate encodes completely, at which point the only thing left will the low-bitrate garbage, and everyone will be fucked.

>>154455100
this is all your fault

>>154455100
>Ultimately though it's only a matter of time before CR stops doing the higher bitrate encodes completely, at which point the only thing left will the low-bitrate garbage, and everyone will be fucked.
AFAIK the low-bitrate garbage is a different version, the "livestream" version or some shit like that

>>154455100

>implying it won't just cause a resurgence in groups using HS subs on a decent raw

I guess now they live up to their name.

>>154455100
>they've been encoding this new low-bitrate garbage for a while
>Ultimately though it's only a matter of time before CR stops doing the higher bitrate encodes completely, at which point the only thing left will the low-bitrate garbage, and everyone will be fucked
And people actually pay for this shit.

>>154454923
If you can handle 20FPS video, you can handle banding.

>>154455165
It is a different version, but the thing is that from CR's point of view it's their "new and improved" version that "reduces bandwidth usage a lot with no notable reduction in quality!" (which of course is total bollocks). They're in a long process of transitioning everything over to using these new encodes, so it is very much only a matter of time until they're the only option left.

>>154455211
>banding
forget banding m8
the thing is filled with artifacts
it looks like shit on my 42" TV from 4m away

>>154455165
Would that be to reduce server bandwidth/load for when everyone hammers it on release? How long does it take for it to switch over to the higher bitrate encode?

>>154455263
it seems more like you're speculating rather than having any proper info about their future plans.

>>154455318
They just fired their encoders to outsource the work a month ago. Do you think they care?

>>154455263
Let's just say I'm not that pessimistic about it.
And that's not a real quote or even something they implied as far as I'm aware.
Funny how you never apply that level of cynicism to the company you work for

>>154455365
>They just fired their encoders to outsource the work a month ago. Do you think they care?
nice source

>>154455365
>their encoders
lol
since when setting file size and doing 2pass required an actual person?

>>154455416
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-01-19/crunchyroll-parent-company-ellation-lays-off-17-employees/.111220

>>154455416
Did you miss the news here or something.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2017/01/19/there-have-been-layoffs-at-crunchyroll-and-the-company-is-undergoing-restructuring/

>>154455416
There were layoffs. The entirety of QA and a decent % of the San Francisco engineering team were laid off.

Basically, we started working with an outsourcing company (Yopeso), whos CTO was buddy buddy with our head of Product. He became our interim CTO around June and has made horrible decision after horrible decision from a ground level perspective. Decided to get rid of the Project Management team, directly told engineers that he didn't care if they had to work 16 hours on a weekend because they were on salary, etc.

Basically every engineer and ground level employee started asking about conflict of interest and directly asked executives if they were going to be replaced with outsourced engineers, and were repeatedly told we would not be.

Today, they purchased a portion of the outsourcing company. The CEO of that outsourcing company is now permanent CTO at Ellation (Crunchyroll's parent).

They sent us a wonderful FAQ at the end of the day, this part in particular was embarrassingly bad.

Q: Doesn't Simon have a conflict of interest as our CTO?

A: No. Simon's involvement historically was at our request. We agreed to a budget against which we ramped up the Moldova team. Additionally, Simon was involved in our CTO search process, endorsing several candidates along the way. In the end, we decided that the combination of Simon and the Moldova acquisition was the best combination for Ellation. As we move forward, Simon is an employee of Ellation and his incentives are 100% aligned to delivering shareholder value to E

>>154451074
Or better yet, invest in some decent 1TB+ drives so you don't have to deal with space dilemma.

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>>154455318
There's no speculation about this, sadly. Basically, the older higher bitrate versions are used in the Flash player on their website, and they've already started working on moving away from it in favor of a HTML5 player. This in itself would be a good change, but the sad part is that they're transitioning into these new HLS encodes that look like garbage along with it.

>>154455378
>And that's not a real quote or even something they implied as far as I'm aware.

Consider the fact that this is their lead video engineer. He's proud of these new encodes and sees no problem with them whatsoever. Preserving human quality expectations, you see!

It's even sadder when you consider that this is the first time CR is doing anything to their main video encodes since 2011, and what we get is a massive quality downgrade.

>Funny how you never apply that level of cynicism to the company you work for

Well, difference is that I'm actually in charge of digital quality at the company I work for and actually care for said quality. Which is certainly something you can't say about CR - they've obviously never cared much if at all about video quality.

>>154455513
Where does it say they were encoders?
All I got from that article is that CR fire 17 employees from their parent company

>>154455568
This is getting attention, so I just wanted to add something...

These decisions had basically nothing to do with Crunchyroll itself. It has to do with VRV and building out a tech platform for other streaming services from outside companies to sit on top of. That's the direction they're taking the SF office, and pretty much all Crunchyroll client development work will take place in Moldova. The majority of "Crunchyroll" engineering was actually working on VRV and the new tech platform for VRV and eventually Crunchyroll for the last year-2 years. SF will still have the Crunchyroll staff (marketing, customer support, partnerships, etc), and personally I'd expect Crunchyroll itself to be fine and keep growing (though app quality will probably have issues based on my interactions with awful engineers over there).

>>154455568
>>154455556
>>154455513
see >>154455606

>>154455594
They fired the old technical staff for new technical staff.
>We recently closed an acquisition to significantly expand the size of our engineering team. As part of company restructuring efforts, it is with regret that we needed to make some difficult but necessary changes at Ellation. This morning, we parted ways with 17 employees that played important roles in helping us grow the company over the last several years.

>>154455587
It is pure speculation that the HLS encodes will be used as the final version for their HTML5 player.
PuyaSubs managed to rip the "full quality" rip using the HTML5 player as well.

We all know how much you hate CR and Funi and pretty much every other legit anime localization company that you don't work for Daiz

>>154455686
see >>154455606

>>154455778
Firing older more experienced staff for less experienced staff isn't a good way to improve your platform.

>[DefinitelyNotMe] Demi-chan wa Kataritai - 10 VOSTFR [720p].mkv
>141.2 MiB
Looks like it's spreading.

>>154455748
I wonder how PuyaSubs managed to do rip the "full quality" version.

>>154455807
it had fuck all to do with this

>>154455832
>I wonder how PuyaSubs managed to do rip the "full quality" version.
PuyaSubs staff was on HorribleSubs channel on IRC trying to contact them but he was ignored

>>154455832
>Looks like it's spreading.
most of these groups actually use HorribleSubs video.
If it wasn't for Puya HR would just be saying it's CR's fault and everybody would have bought it

>>154455748
>It is pure speculation that the HLS encodes will be used as the final version for their HTML5 player.

Do you really think a company with a track record for not giving a single fuck about quality would develop a new video encode setup if they didn't intend it to replace their old one? And really, that they ever thought these new encodes looked acceptable in comparison to the old ones just reinforces the point about them not giving a toss about quality.

Honestly, it's more likely that they'd increase the bitrate in the new setup than keep their old encodes around in the long run.

And I think I deserve to be a pessimist about the situation considering I've been waiting for legal digital anime companies to care about quality for over 8 years at this point, and I'm still fucking waiting.

>>154455971
>it's more likely that they'd increase the bitrate in the new setup than keep their old encodes around in the long run.
Wouldn't increasing the bitrate of bitrate starved encodes kinda fix the entire issue?

>>154455971
ok so when is HorribleSubs fixing their script?

>>154456070
Yes, it would.

The chances of them doing that in a way that would actually be an improvement over the old encodes though? I wouldn't hold my breath.

>>154455971
>Honestly, it's more likely that they'd increase the bitrate in the new setup than keep their old encodes around in the long run.
Is there any chance of them switching to HEVC or is it still too early?

>>154455878
>PuyaSubs staff was on HorribleSubs channel on IRC trying to contact them but he was ignored
HSL/jaka usually doesn't actually hang on HorribleSubs channel on IRC though. He uses his other nick instead most of the time.

>>154456134
They probably don't have much interest in HEVC thanks to the patent licensing fuckery brought on by the HEVC Advance group. That's something I can't actually blame them about, because fuck HEVC Advance. The HEVC licensing terms were actually pretty nice before them, and they pretty much completely ruined it.

Personally I'm hoping that AV1 will be a viable option some day.

>>154456129
>The chances of them doing that in a way that would actually be an improvement over the old encodes though? I wouldn't hold my breath.

Fair enough, but to be honest just increasing the bitrate would be enough for me.
If I really like a show I just use sushi to retime their subs to bd releases for archiving.

I can't be disappointed by business being a business I am however disappointed with the state of fansubs. People used to do it out of passion for the anime they liked, now it seems they do it just so they can make a parody of the original script and have fun with typesetting that requires a 5GHz 7700k to play without dropped frames

>>154455935
>most of these groups actually use HorribleSubs video.
Isn't DefinitelyNotMe a new CR ripping "group" which rip the French subs?

>>154456368
Doesn't mean they rip the video. And there is also the chance of their script being affected by the same thing that is fucking up with the HorribleSubs one

Time to go back to tv rips.

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So it's time to update the list

>>154456312
>If I really like a show I just use sushi to retime their subs to bd releases for archiving.
>mfw some shows don't have their BD uploaded for free so I have to import them
>some show also only have either DVD release or no retail release (for rent-only) in Japan
Guess I'm fucked until CR realized their "stupidity"

>>154456474
>Time to go back to tv rips.
>mfw no TV rips for Puzzle Dragons Cross and Heybot on Nyaa

>>154456589
>>mfw no TV rips for Puzzle Dragons Cross and Heybot on Nyaa
Just fix your taste in anime and you won't have issues anymore

this is a smart business move by them.
Most of their paying audience, namely Naruto and One Piece fans, do not care about video quality in the slightest.

Are the Japanese streaming sites any better? It seems like you could use a proxy and rip raws from them.

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Wow these new CR rips look horrible

>>154456658
I bet they're hardsubbed.

>>154456719
>japanese
>hard subbed
are you retarded?

>>154456764
No, I'm joking. It's called a joke.

NGU solves this.

>>154456714
I just downloaded that, upscaled to 4k and it still didn't look as bad as your webm

Where we're going, we don't need bitrate.

>>154456888
because he's either baiting or being retarded and not giving libvpx a bitrate to work with, so it's using the default 200kbit/s

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>>154456845
Uh, what?

>>154456658
There's already TV raws on nyaa.

>>154456621
Fuck you. These two are still better than most late-night anime which is airing this season.

>all the shiteaters rejoycing because filesize is "better"
Can't wait for RMVB's glorious return.

>>154456990
Have any links that show them actually saying it's better?

>>154456990
>RMVB

Oh man, that's a blast from the past.
Those were the times.

>>154456975
MadVR® NGU©

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>dat bitrate

>>154457086
>when you have a GTX 1070 and a 7700K and you still can't use that

>>154457150
Why? Works fine on my 2012 toaster.

>>154457086
Oh, I see. Thanks.

>>154457150
What, really? You can't even use it with a CTX 1070?

>>154457186
>Why? Works fine on my 2012 toaster.
NGU? Literally how?

>[HorribleSubs] Sengoku Choujuu Giga - 22 [720p].mkv 43.41 MB
>[HorribleSubs] Sengoku Choujuu Giga - 21 [720p].mkv 40.80 MB
How is this one actually has larger file size now?

>>154457149
looks passable in that shot, but you probably have debanding on.

>>154456977
Not for everything.

>>154457058
Go on the HS website if you can stand up cancerous material.

>>154455100
Thank you for your knowledge lord Daiz.

I just hope HS fixes their script before tuesday

>>154457266
Oh yeah, I just can't live without hyper quality Ai Mai Mi.

>>154457206
NGU is much lighter than NNEDI3. There's something wrong with your GPU's power management settings.

>>154457266
They already said that they won't, so good luck with that ;^)

FAKKU Anime when Daiz?

You faggots needed an intervention and here it is. Stop watching seasonals, wait for BDs.

>>154457481
Considering Fakku prices it would cost at least $25 a month and the only way to watch it would be your browser

>>154457494
but then talking with /a/ about shows as they air is way less fun.

>>154457494
>wait for BDs
For the absolute vast majority of shows we won't get BDs

>>154457539
People rip FAKKU just fine.

I think I'm fucking blind or something but I don't seen any differences when comparing RO subs and Horrible from Seiren.
Do I need to watch something with more action involved to see the difference in bit rate?

>>154457656
Are you watching on your computer?

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I guess we'll have to wait for today's SAO screening to be over before a fix.

>>154457579
It takes a while for some but most do get them these days still.

>>154457699
Yes.

>>154457494
>wait for BDs
Nobody subs BDs

>>154457737
>It takes a while for some but most do get them these days still
No, out 40 shows airing 5 get BDs 2 years later

>>154457779
$N_{\mathrm{samples}} = 1$

>>154454717
Where do you just download the subs?

>>154457779
Should schedule an appointment with your doctor, you're clearly going blind

>>154457794
I just searched on AB for TV series from 2015 with softsubbed BDs, there were 117 results. That's like 90% of the full length stuff.

>>154457921
>That's like 90% of the full length stuff.
Not even close, and irrelevant since more than half of the groups that existed in 2015 are dead now

> <Nepugea> every anime has smaller files now so there is nothing wrong
> <Nepugea> dunno the reason though xP

Why the fuck don't HS just release the sub file and time it to a high quality raw?

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/203154

Did a comparison of Seiren 09 (before) and 10 (after).

>>154458006
That would require manual work. Sushi doesn't solve all problems.

>>154458006
because that would involve human interaction
Retiming is a lot of work.

>>154457976
>Not even close
Please anon, give me accurate numbers then. And BD groups come and go all the time.

>>154458006
They're handed that high quality raw and reencode it.

>>154458006
because..
>We DO NOT and NEVER WILL ever encode any of our releases, which are all direct rips from their respectful owners.

>>154458063
No, it wouldn't
you can literally automate everything

>>154455587
I see you're hard at work killing anime a bit more every day

>>154455100
x Attempted Assassination of HorribleSubs

>>154458078
Fug I thought you said CR.

>>154458039
This hardly shows shit.
Pick better scenes.

>>154458126
suck my dick

>>154458070
>Retiming is a lot of work
All you have to do is just shift the times. That takes like 15 seconds on aegisub.

>>154455606
>in Moldova
I see they're going for quality.

>>154458078
>>154458096
I don't mean re-encode anytthing, I mean literally just release the subtitle file and let people use it on a good raw. Retiming should be minimal as long as the broadcast is the same as what CR gets.

What does a man have to do to get loads of (You)s itt?

>>154458096
Still they could post subs files, so one can get them without downloading the whole video.

>>154458141
except it doesn't work like that when you have TV raws, which are edited from captures of TV broadcasts and don't have the same number of frames depending on how it's edited, so you need to check each transition where there could've been an ad break or some other crap to make sure you're not getting out of sync.

>>154458169
People don't actually care dude, they'll still watch CR and HS even if it's garbage. The people who care can just extract the subs.

>>154458141
You do it then, anon.

>>154458190
be daiz

>>154458169
Not those guys but /a/ could do it and have it released here. Just as long as they don't hardsub. But knowing kikes they might.

>>154458199
Wow, you have to check after 3 ad breaks and shift the subs a max of 3 times, so much fucking work.

>>154458169
Again, not all show have their raw uploaded at least on Nyaa.

>>154455100
Why do people still think this faggot knows what he's talking about?

>>154458248
Missing one or a few frames in the middle. It happens all the time.

>>154458248
Now do that 150 times a week

>>154458169
I just wanted to elaborate that they won't bother to care about doing something extra. at the end of the day they won't even care to release something right on schedule, so you thing they would care about something as this? I highly doubt it

>>154458324
There's such a thing as teamwork.

>>154458248
It's more work than you'd think. Just ask any sub group that still subs TV raws.

And it definitely takes more effort than an automated script which is what HS currently is.

>>154458169
Wasn't there a group that did this in the past and then went crazy and pack it in?

>>154458126
Are you blind?

>>154458414
You mean SenketsuSubs?

>>154458126
http://diff.pics/F9admXNdyEXL/1
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/203159

>>154457150
I'm using NGU with fx6300 and gtx1060

>>154458248
You should do it yourself then, if you think it's that effortless.

>>154458414
>>154458432
More like commiefags bullied him into quitting.

>>154458440
holy fuck

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/203160

By the way, here's some comparisons from the OP of Rewrite episodes 21 and 22:

http://diff.pics/Tb0D8sX0IXXX/1

>>154458516
Do you know if HorribleSubs staff is working on a fix to get the better video or did they give up?

>>154458516
Really nice and crisp new settings. CR are cancer.

>>154458504
They both look like shit, so what does this mean?

>the quality is shitty but just in slightly different places

>>154458432
That might be them. I just remember there was a big stink of drama when they closed up.

>>154458516
Wow, this is just horrible.

>>154458504
>>154458516
This is the future of seasonal anime.

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>>154458516
>those fucking blacks

>>154458483
Fucking cartels.

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Seems to be a problem at CR, used to rip with youtube-dl and size would be normal but now 226MB for 1080p

RIP all those kids shows that don't get TV rips or BD rips, and CR is the best video source

>>154458678
RIP seasonal anime in general. Now we'll have to wait some extra days just to get not shit video quality releases.

>>154458516
I love how the fingers just fucking disappear into a blurry mess.

>>154458700
just like old times.

>>154458719
It was nice while it lasted.

>>154458604
>>>/pol/

>>154458700
Except they will still be bad, because TV quality has gone to shit in the last few years too. CR was often the best source.

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>>154456714
>>154457149
>downloading HorribleShit when there is a decent alternative
For what purpose?

>>154458516
I think they're both terrible but how the fuck can they claim that this newer one is fine?

I bet you all also use vlc

>>154458643
It seems to be ripping the HLS stream now instead of the RTMP stream like before.

>>154458678
>Kids shows
>Some of them have annoying clock on TV rips
>Most of them only have DVD releases or no retail (for rent only) releases in Japan
Fuck.

Guess we could always revive hadena

>>154458854
but the other stream is still available

>>154458798
>I think they're both terrible

Well yeah, CR's old settings aren't exactly great either - they've been literally unchanged since late 2011. They haven't even updated the x264 version for them even once since then. And they've never done anything to fix issues with fucked up sources. And when getting two levels of sources for something, a good one and a bad one, they've consistently used the bad one for reasons unknown (probably solely because it's faster due to being a much smaller download). This is why a lot of TV Tokyo shows look like garbage on CR compared to their TV versions. And of course they've never even tried to do anything about the godawful banding in their encodes.

And now we have these new encodes that fix absolutely nothing and instead just make everything even worse.

>>154458415
There is a difference if you're an autistic "fansubber" but that sort of comparison isn't even the tip of the problem with their videos now.

>>154458909
pls respond >>154458547
nobody says anything on their IRC channel

Daiz, why did you let it come to this?

>>154458440
Holy artefacts.

>>154458959
At the moment they don't care.

>>154458959
They're trying to fix it at the very least.

>>154458986
you're not daiz

>>154459004
Thank you.

>>154458504
>Tokyo MX
Wait a second are you trying to trick me?

Are there no other streaming services, like in different countries?

>>154458643
Do you need a CR account to do this? youtube-dl gives me an error

>>154459244
simulcasted subbed anime releases is pretty much an English only thing

It's not like the high quality streams are gone, right? It's just that people can't figure out how to rip them yet, right?

>>154459287
well, and whatever other languages CR offers.

>>154459294
they'll be gone eventually.

>>154459263
If you don't have premium account you can only download at 480p and the ones that are available to basic users

>>154458909
Why can't they hire someone like you. Having the option of a Hi10p encode straight from the ad-free .ts source (if that's what CR uses) would be glorious.

>>154459294
They are gone from CR, though apparently there's a method of getting the old ones.

>>154459323
I don't care, I just want to download the subs so I can retime them since no one else can be assed to do it. Not working on rewrite 22 for me.

>>154459350
Just get the subs from HS.

>>154459319
>they'll be gone eventually.
Is CR getting any backlash about this from their paying customers?

>>154459350
retime them to what? you can use this: https://www.nyaa.se/?page=torrentinfo&tid=907097

>>154459399
most of their paying customers don't care about video quality.

>>154459350
use --skip-download (will only download subs), if you dont know the rest of the command line you can find in the youtube-dl github

>>154459399
I did a few quick searches in the CR forums, but no one seems to have noticed.

>>154459324
Because most people don't care and no media company is going to hire someone just so sperg out about video encoding.

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>downloading 1080p

>>154459425
>>154459466
Damn, that's really sad.

>>154459319
>other languages
Pretty sure they only do English

>>154459399
>retards who use crunchyroll
>smart enough to even notice
Their customer base are a bunch of fat fujoshi and mentally challenged dependents. They don't know anything other than that they get to watch the latest episodes of Boruto

>>154459399
>>154459466
This is why we need autism.

>>154459499
The 100MiB 720p episode won't be any better

>>154459485
Amazon has godly bitrate an no one even cares.

>>154459499
the 720p streams are also affected.

>>154459512
CrunchyRoll does German, Spanish and French too, translated from Japanese without going through English.

>>154459536
Amazon does mostly live-action where you can't get away with a low bitrate

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>>154458868
Don't wake the beast.

>>154459536
The regular scene still uses screen capture to rip their videos. IIRC no one managed to break their DRM.

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>company takes money for streaming shit
>company pays money for servers to provide streaming
>company realizes most normalfags, plebs, and third worlders are fine with terrible 480p that loads a bit faster on their IE with 50 toolbars
>company switches over to that to save money on servers and infrastructure

Not hard to guess, you faggots. People who sub to CR are fucking Redditors and various scum, they will eat this trash up and pay for it, don't expect a change.

I wish CR would have waited until the end of the season before destroying seasonal anime.

Oh well. Guess I'll just be catching up on the PTW list for now on then.

>>154459567
And their anime video still look awful.

>>154459593
How would you even find out whether it's a screencap or a remux?

the scene is shifty as fuck about explaining their methods

>>154459625
Someone should make a big stink about it on r/anime so they can band together and do their Reddit thing.

Redditors don't care about quality, but if you make a post telling them that they should, then they will for a few weeks at least.

>>154459625
crazy it took them this long to figure that out seeing as yify movie rips are all upscaled 480p and they are the most popular movie ripping group by far

>>154459733
This.

>>154459770
They're not upscales. They're just bitstarved so much they might as well be

How many sub groups are left that do seasonal shit now? I liked anime-koi.

>>154459817
well whatever same difference
the quality is garbage but they're the most popular because "hurr it downloads more faster"

>>154459694
Not at all though.
Or do you mean the "rips"?

>>154459832
Is FFF still active? I stopped watching anime for a while because they stopped subbing Eupho 2

>>154459873
>same difference
It's not really okay to complain about people not understanding digital video encoding when you yourself do not understand it either

Well, fansub is dying, official sub is sucks...
what a year

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>>154459770
Maybe if they moved to H.265 they could starve the rips even more? It's a win-win folks.

>>154459832
Doesn't matter since they'll only sub shit shows like Urara.

>>154459925
not an argument my point still stands

>>154459832
FFF still retimes CR and adds some TS.
Same for commie -honorifics when they're part of the subs
DDY unfortunately thinks they're good enough to edit CR scripts
And GJM does mostly quality subs
That's it

>>154459729
You could see the screen capture popup and "play next" screen at the end of a bunch videos; they sometimes forget to cut it. The quality also correlates.

>>154459832
Well there's Asenshi
GJM and FFF are editing Crunchy subs

If this is official who wants to make a fansub group?

RIP in peace gg
RIP in peace Mazui
RIP in peace Underwater
RIP in peace EveTaku
RIP in peace IB
RIP in peace all the crunchy edit groups that aren't Commie

>>154459973
You could just make one that gets the subs from HS and times it to the TV raw and that would be fine.

>>154459973
I love how things go full cycle, CR are literally reviving fansubs or at least ripping their subs and slapping them over on a better video.

>>154458678
>tfw there aren't any PuyaSubs releases for some of Funi licenses on CR because these titles are English-subbed only
Hoping HS managed to fix this soon and CR will still actually doing the "old version" encodes.

>>154459952
you forgot about Asenshi.

RIP Coalgirls

>>154460020
Slap that .ass

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>>154451074
Horriblesubs has always been ass and had terrible banding. I took this screenshot three fuckin years ago

>>154460020
I appreciate your optimism

>>154460077
yes, but it got worse. Please read the thread.

How long before CR fires all their translators as well and just do orginal rewrites based on what's happening on screen looks like?

>>154459948
Well, yes, your point does stand. But you should learn more about video encoding so that you don't sound like an idiot when you talk.

>>154459954
Well that only really speaks for that video. You can extrapolate that the release groups older content has also been capped, but it's not a perfect method. And what about groups where that never happens? Deflate's Grand Tour 1080p release looks amazing and has no play next shit

>>154460107
but we already have fansubs for this

>>154460107
They already to this in other languages. Also, look at Gabriel Dropout.

>>154460132
yeah, but only a few that is good. Some just use liberal translation that usually bad and weird.

>>154460077
Do people not have deband filters on their video output or something?

>>154459427
I just get a "this is a a sample clip, start your free trial" message.

>>154459952
>GJM does mostly quality subs
That was before Fyurie got infected with the cartel virus. He was one of the best fansub editors before, then he stopped being subtle and started being try-hard and memeing. You could see the exact moment he was CARTELED when he suddenly started shitting on honorifics. GJM is Commie-tier now.

>>154460020
Are we really prepared to let thousands of new timers loose into the wild?

>>154460107
Have you looked at their best Commie impression With GabDrop?

If we show the japs what their hard work looks like now that the americans have changed it could they perhaps stop it? Funi encodes were bastardizing their work before and it looks like they are doing the same with CR now that they bought Funi.

>>154460219
This is pretty amazing fanfiction. I dunno how you see things about me I don't even see. I've only gotten better as an editor over the years. My preference for honorifics has been like this since about 2013. Long before GJM.

>>154460215
You have to be logged in, even if as basic user (don't know if you'll be able to download subs from shows only available to premium users through). What subs do you want? I can upload them for you

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>honorifics are unnecessary

>>154460267
AKAGAMI NO SHIRAYUKI-HIME 2 FUCKING WHEN

>>154460311
When the typesetter's done ruining his life to finish Urara on time every week. ._.

>>154460278
seiren 10, just want to see how hard re-timing subs actually is

>>154460110
>Deflate
That's right, I now remember they managed recently to break the DRM and started making 2160p releases.

>>154459593
I don't know shit, but if the screen capture is lossless wouldn't that theoretically be the exact same as ripping the video? Or what would be different?

>>154460219
GJM and FFF translation is not good at all. Sometimes just weird with unnecessary word.

>>154460335
Are you going to do the BDs when you go back to it or stick to the TV?

>>154460373
lol

>>154460388
Yeah, I definitely want to do the BDs. We have a bunch of minor consistency updates that I want to get in for them, especially for the older episodes. The BDMVs for all 12 volumes are sitting on my seedbox waiting for me.

>>154460346
https://mega.nz/#!F5EmHCIC!vpwZPoNx9tvt5SXEIQ-1YuEOB75FghgWvm7R1VPt3Ng

with the 3 lang that it download

>>154460425
Best of luck getting to them then, looking forward to it now that I know it will be the BDs.

>>154460425
Would you welcome it if due to CR being jews fansubs came back?

>>154460132
Not all subgroups are gg.

By the way, for anyone unaware, this video situation with CR isn't exactly a new development. They've been encoding videos with these new settings for like a year already, testing and rolling them out in various environments.

In the worst case scenario it might be as soon as next week or so when there won't be any higher bitrate options anymore.

>>154460373
You are right - if you're going to filter and encode on your end anyway, whether you're ripping the actual video or taking a lossless screen recording of it doesn't really make for a difference (except that the latter is a much more resource-intensive operation).

>>154460289
They are unnecessary in 95% of anime.

>>154460517
100%. I think our scene getting a revival would be great. There are a lot more materials and tools to help learn very advanced subtitling skills available out there now, especially for typesetting and encoding in particular.

The influx of potentially great staff members would be awesome, in my opinion. Seeing more groups out there again instead of the same <5 would be a nice experience too. Looking at Nyaa and seeing the same names over and over stops being fun after a while.

So in short, yeah, I'd love a revival. Bring it on.

>>154460645
I agree, think it's about time they stop subbing names and common loanwords as well. I mean you can fucking hear them why are they in the subs

>>154460606
depends on how you do the lossless screen recording.
If you use a capture card (that can somehow output lossless video) or play it back on a monitor with exactly the proper framerate, it won't be an issue. If you play back a 23.976 FPS video on a 60 Hz monitor and record that, regardless of whether you only record at 23.976 FPS, you're not going to get the correct timings.

Thanks meme cartel.

>>154460724
Why do you pretend that that would be my reasoning? They aren't unnecessary because you can her them, but because they simply have no real relevance in most anime. You're just being a weebshit now.

>>154460673
>have an autistic scene that goes out of its way to make anybody new feel uncomfortable
>those same people also control the biggest tracker and arbitrarily decide whether or not you deserve even the trusted status
>Looking at Nyaa and seeing the same names over and over stops being fun after a while.
you guys are fucking hilarious

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>>154460784
>they simply have no real relevance in most anime.
Are you for real?
There are certainly ways you can imply in english what they mean, although they often sound forced in. Ignoring them is outright stupid though, you're basically rewriting the script to remove details that were there originally.

>>154460741
Doing the capping at 60Hz wouldn't necessarily be a problem since you should be able to just decimate it back to the correct framerate afterwards. (I haven't tried this out in practice myself, though.)

>>154460784
so what you're saying is that honorifics don't matter because they don't tell us anything about character relationship with each other?

>>154460827
>have an autistic scene that goes out of its way to make anybody new feel uncomfortable
My group hires newbies all the time. What are you on about?

>Looking at Nyaa and seeing the same names over and over stops being fun after a while.
I can't speak for others, but that's what I WANT for the scene. I want more quality subtitles, I don't care where they come from. Don't lump us all together as one entity.

>>154460784
>there is no difference between a chracter talking to his classmate using -san and without any honorific
wew lad

>>154460880
>you're basically rewriting the script to remove details that were there originally.
No you aren't. The concept of Honorifics doesn't exist in the exact same way in english as it does in japanese. When you're translating, you don't leave foreign concepts in the result. Any translation with honorifics, except it they are crucial to the plot, is trash.

>>154460918
>>154460982
No, I'm saying that any relevant character relationship will be expressed in any anime through more than just honorifics.

>>154460880
Quite honestly the most difficult thing in translating honorofics would be that -san is also used between classmates

>>154460214
Well if anon were taking a photo to show off how bad banding was it'd be kind of dumb for him to have a deband filter on, now wouldn't it.

>>154455100
Hey Daiz remember when you told me that no other fansubbers used /a/ regularily

See >>154460267? Why are you such a faggot liar?

>>154460943
>My group hires newbies all the time. What are you on about?
I'm talking about the treatment new groups and one man groups get. I know subgroups protect their own underlings

>>154460827
Someone should put a leash on herkz and gang, they are scaring away prospective new groups that can be groomed to be better to replace old staff that have left the scene.

>>154460943
How long does it take to learn subbing? I think right now I'm really only qualified to be an editor, and likely not a great one at that, but if the need ever arises I think I'd like to be able to pitch in

>>154461022
>he believes Daiz' lies

>>154461022
I've only been using it more recently, and especially with the trip, because of Urara threads. I like taking part in them.

I read occasionally outside of that, but this is the first time I've been particularly active.

>>154460991
>I'm saying that any relevant character relationship will be expressed in any anime through more than just honorifics
So if a character points to a house and say "hey that's a house" you're fine with removing the word house too right?
I mean you can clearly see it's a house

>>154461089
No, because House isn't a foreign concept tha only weebshits are interest in.

>>154461036
I think it's funny that when people do what he does to him he just locks the comments and tweets about it

>>154461003
I find things like "senpai" and "kouhai" to be more difficult, because the concept really doesn't exist in the Anglosphere.

>>154460673
I'm pretty sure it would degenerate into a pissing contest where 10 groups sub the same popular show while anything that wouldn't get 10000 downloads would be left to rot. You know... like in the good old days...

>>154461022
>Well if anon were taking a photo to show off how bad banding was it'd be kind of dumb for him to have a deband filter on, now wouldn't it.

Minor banding isn't a concern in the first place if you're properly filtering your video output though.

>>154457494
I actually enjoy watching anime, so no.

>>154461026
Personally, for me, I give people trouble when they think they know better than the experienced members trying to give them advice, but I recognize there are others who are a lot more spiteful in their approach and I don't agree with that.

>>154461054
Depends what you want to look into doing. I can point you towards some resources if you know what you might be interested in. maybe speak to me on IRC sometime.

>>154461196
Well for starters it seems that there is a sudden demand for timers, so if you've got some rundowns on that I'd really appreciate it

>>154461167
...probably.

Personally, I just want legitimately good subs. That's all I've cared about for a good while now. Download counts and epeen contests really aren't my thing.

>>154461144
So it's foreign concepts now?
Considering that the vast majority of the public isn't into to physics and math should we replace the parts where characters are talking about those with [X talks about math for the next 15s]
or even better just leave unsubbed

>we're still having fansub drama threads
Good, I thought, CR had killed those for good but glad to see it isn't totally the case.

>>154460741
It triggers my autism when the character says "Thanks nee-sama" and the subs show "Thanks <sister's name>".

>>154460267
Older shows like Charlotte and Four Rhythm had honorifics. Re-Kan even had 2 tracks.
>better
You started leaning towards localization more.

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>>154460107
They literally already do this.

>>154461261
>So it's foreign concepts now?
Tell me exactly the one translation for senpai, kouhai, -san, -chan and -kun. Do it.

>Considering that the vast majority of the public isn't into to physics and math should we replace the parts where characters are talking about those with [X talks about math for the next 15s] or even better just leave unsubbed
Math and Physics aren't foreign concepts. Nice strawman.

>>154461315
Now this is autism.

>>154461196
>but I recognize there are others who are a lot more spiteful in their approach and I don't agree with that.
and as long as "those" people keep doing it you won't see new group names unless people leave an already established group to form another

>>154461341
>senpai, kouhai, -san, -chan and -kun. Do it.
If you're Funimation, it's Mr., Mrs., or Ms.

>>154460517
>some titles which I want to watch still not getting subs because it's either kid shows or not popular enough in the West
>another case, a show is picked up by only 1 group but they either stalled or stopped subbing it halfway
I think Jews fansubs came back still won't solve these things.

>>154460645
more like 5% of anime

>>154461401
The ultimate solution, obviously, is to stop being an EOP.

>>154461233
The commie interns guide (http://commiesubs.com/interns/), is actually very helpful for the basics of timing. After that, it's mostly practice. Timing is something that largely comes down to experience.

>>154461303
I didn't edit Charlotte, Mezashite's staff did. With Re-Kan I did dual-tracks more as a service, but decided maintain two edits of every script was unrealistic going forward.

Also I wouldn't ever consider myself more than an average editor, so I'm glad for the compliment above and all, but I think that's overshooting my abilities a bit.

>>154461417
nah.

>>154461348
Yeah, I can appreciate this. It's annoying, for sure. Right now you kind of need a thick skin to get going in fansubbing.

Not going to bother reading the thread, is this just a minor snag or will the majority of shows this season now become unwatchable

I'm going to watch Demi-chan to see how bad it is but to be honest this show looks like shit regardless

>>154461341
>Math and Physics aren't foreign concepts
They actually are for the average person.

>Tell me exactly the one translation for senpai, kouhai, -san, -chan and -kun. Do it.
I didn't say anything about translating them, people who watch anime actually pick up on those, they don't even have to google. Some shows have expository dialogue about honorific treatment and after your 10th show you actually start getting it.

The only valid reason to not include them is also the dumbest one: because you can hear them

>>154460606
I'll wait to panic until it's confirmed that these shitrips will forever be the norm, then. For now I'll just hope that HS can figure something out, since it's all I can do.

>>154461504
>They actually are for the average person.
How is Math a foreign concept in the english language? The one you're translating the anime into?

>I didn't say anything about translating them, people who watch anime actually pick up on those, they don't even have to google. Some shows have expository dialogue about honorific treatment and after your 10th show you actually start getting it.
That's a lot of assumptions going on right there. CR, Funi etc. don't just translate for weebs, but for anyone who wants to watch it, because they are after the big money and even if they weren't. You're not translating if you leave words and suffixes from another language left untranslated, my homosexual nakama.

>The only valid reason to not include them is also the dumbest one: because you can hear them
No, the only "valid" reason to include them is the dumbest one: Do it for the weebs.

>>154461496
video quality sure took a hit
however if you watch it on your tv from a reasonable distance you will likely only notice a difference on dark scenes unless you're looking for it.
If you watch on your computer it's a bit worse since you'll be able to see quite clearly how bitstarved it is, however there are some ways to mitigate that like doubling the image using MadVR and using good filters.

>>154461573
same, CR translation is good this season compare to fansubs's

>>154461620
>That's a lot of assumptions going on right there. CR, Funi etc. don't just translate for weebs, but for anyone who wants to watch it, because they are after the big money and even if they weren't. You're not translating if you leave words and suffixes from another language left untranslated, my homosexual nakama.
But it's harmless, like you said it yourself for people that don't understand those honorifics they can get because of context.
Leaving honorifics is a plus for those that get it and irrelevant for those that don't.

>>154461233
Timing is different from Re-Timing. The first (where you start with a .txt) is very time-consuming and requires a lot of patience. The second one (where you start with timed .ass file) is pretty easy. I do it for shows that has issues on CR like banding. I takes about 5-10 minutes to time a HS episode to Ohys or Leopard.

>>154461629

I watch from a laptop that hooked to 40'+ TV, so any differences is crystal clear to me... esp. on fast action scene

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>>154461631
>CR translation is good this season

>>154460373
only if you don't intend on preserving the ts.

>>154460645
In case you haven't noticed, it's pretty normal for English speakers to use a foreigners honorifics when referring to them, especially in formal matters. Herr doktor, hakase, san, sensei, etc are basically loan words at this point.

>>154460741
>recording on a 60Hz monitor
Just use a virtual monitor that's set to 24Hz refresh rate

>>154461069
I never believed Daiz' lies.

>>154461080
You're not the only one I've seen around on /a/ though, and I'm not much of a hardcore lurker

>>154461162
upperclassman and underclassman are both words

as are senior and junior

>>154461177
First of all, banding removes a fuckload of minor details. Secondly, regardless of it's effect, if anon is documenting it, it would be fucking stupid to process it out before screencapping it.

>>154461629
>however there are some ways to mitigate that like doubling the image using MadVR and using good filters.
upscaling filters do not remove macroblock artifacts, debanding only works on gradients, and loses yet more detail. There is no magic 'undo compression' filter

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>>154461449
>With Re-Kan I did dual-tracks more as a service, but decided maintain two edits of every script was unrealistic going forward.

You know, I built a solution for that which lets you do multiple sub tracks with just a single master script: https://github.com/Daiz/sub

This is what enabled multi-tracking on basically all Underwater shows from 2014 onward. You can even go beyond two with relative ease, like how we had 4 tracks for Saki.

>>154461725
You should try using Sushi for straight re-timing of HS scripts to raws. That'll do it in <30 seconds.

>>154461573
>>154461631
both of you should start looking into sushi just in case
It's a way to automatically retime subs from different video sources using the audio.
It's as good as CR timing

Fyurie whens hacka doll BDs

>>154461746
Allah is Satan, so it's somewhat accurate.

>>154461772
The problem is that I'm largely uninterested in maintaining multiple versions of a script for batches and BDs across all of our shows, and I also cannot force our other editors to work into this flow either. GJM pretty much runs on staff preference for projects.

>>154461746
fucking FFF doesn't even bother to fix this shit because "it's funny"

>>154461772
>First, install Node.js
Kill yourself.

>>154461860
>comedies shouldn't be funny!

>>154461725
The easiest solution ever is simply manually delaying the subs in your player by 10 seconds once the TOKYO DAY OH CHRISTMAS screen pops up. Works every single time.

>>154461808
I actually want to do these in the near future. GJM's having a light season next season unless we hire a bunch of staffers somehow, so my BD output should shoot up in that time.

Also holy shit I'm getting bombarded with captchas...

>>154461876
>translators should be making their own jokes!

>>154461876
I'll take the author's input of what's funny and what isn't over what someone who was refused a decent job and had to settle for translating chinese cartoons thinks, thank you.

>>154461849
>maintaining multiple versions of a script

That's the thing, you don't have to. All the multi-tracking stuff is contained in a single master script file. You never have to manage multiple scripts per episode manually, they're all automatically generated from the master script on muxing, so for batches and BDs you just update the master script and sub handles the rest.