Why are Japanese people so null at english? https://my.mixt

>>154346139
>Fuckin' Jeez!
ahaha

Anyways, they speak American better than I speak Nip

Though you'd think a country that's trying to teach all of its children a language would have better results. They probably just need to start teaching earlier, since young kids are incredibly good at picking up languages.

>>154346341
It's got nothing to do with the teaching methods.

Why can you find immigrants who've spent 20+ years living in the states who still barely speak English, despite immersion being the best possible way to learn a language?

It's because, at home, everyone speaks something other than English. They interact in primarily non-English language. They never adapt it, so they never really bother to learn it very well, and they never practice so what they do learn they don't retain.

English in Japan is the same. Once the students leave school, the rest of their life is entirely based in Japanese. Hell, once they are out of English class, the rest of school is all Japanese. They never have enough interaction or practice to actually assimilate any of the language they are learning, beyond understanding some rote vocabulary.

>>154346139
>Of course not! You bastard!
Holy fuck that was cute. The cutest fucking thing I've heard. I can only imagine the reaction of the seiyu when they were told they'd have to speak English.

>>154346852
If they actually were taught early enough to become conversational/fluent then they'd be able to talk with their friends in school, at least.

There are other countries like that which have a native language but teach their kids to be fluent in English, e.g. Wales or most Scandinavian countries.

>>154347092
Scandinavia also has their regular tv OV with subtitles.
The kids actually get to hear English in their daily lives.

AIROVET

>>154347092
Wales doesn't count, the native language there is all but dead.
The overwhelming amout of kids speak english as a first language and no welsh (gaelic?) at all. At best it is taught as a second language at SOME schools.

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>>154348161
Aerovette?

>>154348415
gaelic is ireland not wales

>>154348730
yeah i wasn't sure, hence the question mark

Because different spoken languages often use different phonetics. English often uses certain sounds that Japanese rarely use so they have difficulty with them. It happens in reverse too and this is for nearly all languages.

>>154346341
>Anyways, they speak American better than I speak Nip
No you're wrong.
If you can say TSU, a sound not present in English, then you're better than all of them that can't do the same with L

>>154349625
TSU is present in English, have you never heard of the word tsunami?

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>>154346446
>Fuck off
>行ってらっしゃい

>>154349625
>tsu, a sound not present in English
what the fuck am i reading
tsu is a SYLLABLE that's uncommon in english, but all the sounds it's made from already exist

you should compare it to the Spanish R or the Russian X or something if you want a sound English doesn't have

>>154349676
tsunami is a Japanese loanword anon
and in any case, English speakers just treat the t as silent and pronounce it as "sue-nami"

>>154349676
Or tsundere.

>>154349676
>>154349745
I'm pretty sure tsunami is a loan word (same with other words with the TSU Syllable).

>>154349824
>tsundere
That's a japanese word.

>>154346139
I would love to sit in a High School English class in Japan just die laughing inside.

I don't understand OP's pic though, that's how you say coffee.

>>154349880
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD0PfOaoRPc

>>154349880
>

No its pronounced "coffee"

>>154349908
>"Why is that the only part you can pronounce well?"
Löl

>>154348415
Welsh is a Brythonic language, not Gaelic, which is in the Celtic family.

>>154349625
The alveolar voiceless affricate [ts] sound IS present in English, it just isn't word-initial. It is common in word-final configurations though (e.g. [kaets] for "cats"). The devoiced "u", "i" and "o" are not in English obviously and are pretty unique to Nip.

t. Linguistifag

>>154349676
The loanword treats the t like it's silent.
This isn't correct and you know it.

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>>154350059
That's good to know. So for all these years, I've been pronouncing it incorrectly.

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>>154350011
thank you linguistfag, i love u

>>154350181
>u
If you really did love him, you would spell out the word in its entirety.

>>154350208
shoo shoo prescriptivist

>>154349868
So is tsunami, dear.

>>154350240
What about tsuchinoko?
Don't have an answer to that one huh? Trump 1 - Atheist 0

what about "hot soup"

>>154350011
Do linguists make a distinction between the stereotypical American hard R and the one used in British English?
t. ESL

>>154350353
hatta suuppu

>>154350353
4 dollars, and you better tip me nicely or it won't get to your table before it's lukewarm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDnu0giUS00

>>154350439
Keep this out of /a/.

>>154350378
im not a linguist but:
britain has like 5 million different accents
many of them don't even fucking pronounce R in the first place
there's totally a difference between the normal english R and, say, the spanish R or the french R

IIRC english's R sound is pretty unique, and its TH is also pretty weird and uncommon

>>154350439
Fuck off.

>>154346139
>so null
french detected connard

Can you North American people roll "r"?

like, Doorrrrr

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the only time /pol/ belongs in /a/ is in threads about nazi loli warcriminals

>>154350553
no, unless they learned how to in spanish classes at school

>>154350557
>WW1
>nazi

Fuck off

>>154350609
episode 7 was about a battle that happened in WW2 though

>>154350588
You don't have Spanish at American schools you have spic that is like nigga english but way more retarded

>>154350686
That doesn't matter. It's the old empire with an emperor at the top. National socialism wasn't a thing yet.

>>154350707
>implying spain is still a real country or an international power
mexico is 100x more important than you, the only people who still care about spain-style spanish are the countries that live right next to you

>>154350378
Yes, it's called rhoticity and is common in General American English, but not so much in the many dialects of British English.

Northeastern American English dialects such as those in Boston and New York de-rhoticize the preceding vowel so that there is no [r] sound (that's the IPA trill symbol btw, not the "normal" hard "r", I'm on my phone).

[kar] becomes [ka'] for example.

>>154350553
Yes, and I've never spoken spanish/russian in my life

>>154346139
Because they put no effort to learn it.
You're not going to learn a language in a fucking class as part of mandatory education.

>>154350483
The TH sounds more lispy than any sounds I know from my slavic language.
British pronunciation is insane, some words are completely different from words that look identical.

My favourite example is indict, who thought that was a good idea?

>>154350849
Go and learn english grammar

>>154350922
Why?

I don't need to invade America to find a job

>>154350933
Because I don't like obvious ESLs shitting up my board.

>>154350956
That is USA people for you

>>154350786
Which one of these would that be?
[r] alveolar
[ʙ] bilabial
[ʀ] uvular
[ʜ] voiceless epiglottal
[ʢ] voiced epiglottal

Not that I know what any of those are, I only have a passing acquaintance with IPA, never really got too deep into it.

Thanks for the reply, this stuff is fascinating even if I don't completely get it.

>>154350956
>that i know fucking nothing about it
that's not evidence for anything

>>154350956
Do you know anything at all about Germany/russia/china?

Yeah

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>>154350956

>>154351036
germany owns europe
russia owns the US president
china owns, uh, lots of money from manufacturing shit i guess

>>154350181
I have to get use out of my degree in some way.

>>154350208
Noam-sama would disagree from a pragmatics standpoint.

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>>154351093

>>154351036
Cabbage, wodka, rice.

>>154351372
>a rich and important history
That could be said of practically any country.

>>154346139
My perception of japanese english was completely crushed thanks to NHK satellite TV channel
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/common/player/tv/clip/?lang=en&ver=13&id=iframe-movie&key=%2Fnhkworld%2Fdata%2Fen%2Fnews%2Fmovie%2F20170308_17.xml

>>154351372
Yes but today is a poor shithole full of disgusting whores

It can't be helped

t. Spaniard

>>154351445
>It can't be helped
It can. Leave the euro behind.

>>154351372
Found the Spaniard

>>154351536
i literally just said that nobody cares about "story and culture"

>>154351606
Yeah but you jumped from montezuma sacrifices to subhuman taco makers and cartel sacrifices

>>154351645
im still a burger not a mexican
im just saying that literally nobody cares about spain at all
mexico at least has international importance if only for manufacturing cars and providing cheap labor to the USA

>>154351372
>as well as beautiful women
This is not true

>>154351738
Spain provides food for Europe, so in that sense they have importance as well.

>>154351775
South America provides food for Europe.

>>154351801
I assure you, most of the produce you buy in Europe says "Spain" somewhere.

>>154351428
Is nothing like that, bitch, "mexican" is not a thing, they are just shit at their own language, even if they was a relevant country (they aren't) spic spanish will still be fucking horrid and broken shit, as that anon said, nigga english


Obama was a nigga, why aren't you speaking in nigga?

>>154351957
Why are you speaking such bad English?

>>154351839
No, actually most of it says حَرَام.

>>154351985
I'm mexican

>>154350999
The "normal" r in English is the voiceless alveolar approximant and the IPA symbol is the same as a normal Latin alphabet r but upside down.

What you posted is the alveolar trill (the Spanish rolling rrrr).

In phonetics, there are two variables that determine sounds used for speech: place and type (there are others but I'll keep it simple). For example, alveolar is the place of articulation and it refers to the alveolar ridge right behind your top frontal incisors. Fricative is the type of sound that it is and is noted as being a continuous stream of air that is partially obstructed by whatever place it is being articulated at. A trill is a rapid flapping of the tip of the tongue as air flows over it.

At one point i had to learn ALL sounds and their symbols. It was hard but fun.

>>154349694
How does this even happen

>>154350553
Yes

>>154350588
I never studied Spanish and I can roll my R's.

>>154349908
I hear nothing wrong with this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwIZLdclRws

>>154351988
>diacritics

How do you do that?

This thread is about Japanese English not about tacos thinking they worth shit or trumpfags bitching on them

>>154350884
Why is it so hard? It tells you the pronunciation in the diteshunairy.

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>>154351420
That guy has a big head

>>154351420
But he is not a cute girl

>>154352598
>demo hasn't made a video in 20 years
Fuck that fat fuck

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>>154350707
spain spanish is the england english of the languajes, it have sofiticated and pompous words just for showing of and sounding like a gigantic faggot, you don't know shit my lad!

>>154352726
>rosie

>>154353198
Please forgive me, my good gentleman, but I must inform you that demonyms are not capitalised in Spanish.

>>154350378
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhoticity_in_English

>>154353360
>demonyms are not capitalised in Spanish.

This is the power of mexican culture?

>>154350884
>indict
Literally, French people. English was a perfectly sensible and readable Germanic language until the frogs jumped the pond and took over.

>>154352726
ARE THESE JOJO REFERENCES?

>>154348161
>>154348624

TEACHERS PET

ARE YOU A GAY?

>>154346139
Grisaia is an astonishing funny VN, I forget sometimes.

>>154353804
YES I AM OGAY

>>154353899


OHHH GRAPES

>>154353896

vngen hates it, I wonder why

I must read it some day but shit is too long and have too many sequels/spinoffs

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reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuT7y_W5-P8

>>154353442
Normans weren't actually legit frogs though. They were Vikings who settled in Normandy and assimilated.

>>154352927
Don't worry, the January video will be out next year. Probably.
His movie streams are a load of fun, at least.

>>154353982
I'm fucking diying

>>154354077
I'm still waiting for his Angel's Egg review.

Does he stream regularly? My browser hates uStream and it's a pain in the ass having to disable shit in uMatrix and uBlock just to try watching.

>>154349625
The idea of a whole nation of people with the inability/ great difficulty to say hard r's fascinates me. Even I could pick up on umlauts from Norse language and the lovely TL sounds in Nahutl.

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>not just hiring native English speakers and giving them non-specific instructions to just talk English at each other

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sujF161hziE

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>>154353982
> majin buu hungry

Oh my fucking god

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>>154353982
The times the recognize they're reading a Japanese word is just so precious.

>>154354119
Semi regularly, but there's no real schedule for it. He starts between around midnight and 2am EST, I think.
Then again, I live in the UK, so catching them is almost impossible.

>>154349745
>you should compare it to the Spanish R or the Russian X or something if you want a sound English doesn't have
or try learning the arabic alphabet. it's nearly impossible

>>154354441
It's not that hard if you're a Lovecraft fan

>>154354441
>learning a new writing system
ew no
if the good ol' fashioned American alphabet was good enough for Jesus Christ, it's good enough for me

feecof

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRMzRiKiK9k

>>154354192

that sounds so out of place

EGGUSCUZE ME

>>154354192
The director must be a genius, has any other Nip even thought of using this method to get natural sounding English in their anime?

>>154354726
probably because there are practically no white people in Japan. someone at the studio must have like hired some ESL teachers or something.

>>154354441
That's because it's not an alphabet it's an abjad.

It only codes for consonants, there are no vowels. Hebrew is the sane way along with most Semitic languages

>>154355031
>there are no vowels
>aliph, waw, ya exist

Wew

Dunno dude but I really don't care for Engrish.

>>154346139
>so null at english
This sounds like fake slang from a cyberpunk universe. Where to people use "null" like that?

>>154355184
Those are there to specifically help non-natives learn the writing system.

>>154355644
I don't think you should talk about semetic languages if you don't actually know much about them yourself. Aliph is the first letter in Abjad and a long vowel. Waw and ya are also long vowels. The short vowels are the ones they don't write out but diacritics are used as an aid.

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Whenever Japanese swear in English in animu or in real life it's more cute than offensive 99% of the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zIstQlgnfM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uC4AUyju7k

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>>154355885
>waitu piggu go hooooooom!

>>154349625
Don't Germans pronounce their Z as ts?
Zu is basically tsu.

>>154356186
meanwhile americans pronounce half their S's as Z

>>154356552
Actually, we just said "fuck it" and changed the 's' to 'z'
Ex)
America: Realize, Organize, Plagiarize
Britain: Realise, Organise, Plagiarise

>>154357265
i don't think the British spell "boxez" or "japanese animez"
if you pronounce the s at the end of those words as an actual s instead of a z you sound like some kind of weird spanish accent

>>154357338
You pronounce the final 's' in a word as 'z'? What part of America are you from?

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>>154353982

>>154357415
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0uwefdMHEI9

>>154357415
Not him, but what part are you from? I've lived in the south my whole life and it's common in a lot of words. When the last sound before the s is voiced the s is voiced as well. For example the s in "cats" is unvoiced but the s in "dogs" is voiced just like a z.

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>>154353982

>>154351738
Mexico has the same nominal GDP than Spain and almost three times the population.
It's okay if you don't know shit about them since they're both irrelevant in the grand scale of things, but don't say something as retarded as "mexico at least has international importance" when comparing it to Spain.

>>154346139
English is a disease language and the Nip spirit prevents them from desecrating their souls with it

>>154358379
back to your dragon ball super thread, spic

>>154355813
Ah my mistake. Been like 3 years since I studied it. Thanks for the clarification.

>>154355885
Did they bleep the curses because they can't air those cursewords or because the audience wouldn't know they're cursewords if they weren't bleeped?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sCDI7GFik0

>>154359716
Probably the latter. When I was over there, they played a youtube video on TV of some aspiring Japanese rapper or something and he was dropping f bombs all over the place, with no censorship.

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>>154346446
A best.

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>>154360714
is that shit left to right
what gives

>>154357415
what foreign country are you from?

>>154354726
I remember the Ass Class anime got one of the football players a voice actor that spoke english. Shit was jarring.

>>154354604
1 frame per day

>>154346139
Because being isolated from other countries for so damn long made Japan go crazy as shit

>>154346139
Maybe they don't give a shit about it deep inside

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>>154346139
>IT IS MAMMY OF MAMMY

I like Asa-nee's english

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>>154360753
>book for learning English
>follows English book format
What's the problem?

https://youtu.be/5TXTpik5wf4

>>154363879

>when you "r" so hard you become a pirate and don't even know it

>>154347031
>I can only imagine the reaction of the seiyu when they were told they'd have to de-tune their English.
FTFY

FUCKIN'

J E E Z
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