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>>154239625
She's actually not the first

There's already another Zesty thread you can salvage, use that one.

>>154235776

iee senpai

>>154239625
I want Velvet to give me a handy jay with her demon hand.

Smug Alisha in today's post-ED segment is cute.

>>154239625
who is econd

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Velvet a best.

Bestria anime when?

>>154239625
Did you just spoil the game for you fucking degenerate?

Kill yourself and never fucking post anymore

>>154239674
>She's actually not the first
She actually is. She coined the title "Lord of Calamity" so she's the first to bear the title.

>>154243654
>he still hasn't played the game
how embarrassing

>>154243654
Nope, not a spoiler at all.

>>154244295
>She coined the title "Lord of Calamity" so she's the first to bear the title.
Is Velvet a chuunibyou?
>what are you?!
>Heh... I'm the "Lord of Calamity", didn't you know?

>>154247103
>Is Velvet a chuunibyou?
There's a bit of that, but she also did it so that regular folks wouldn't get close to her thinking she's some kind of hero and get involved in some dangerous situation. Also to bear all the responsibility of whatever happened after they fucked up Artorious' plan.

>>154245690
I'm playing right now

It's just a polished Zestiria. It still sucks

>>154239625
She show up since her little 2episode aside last season?

>>154239625
It's incredible how much better she look in casual clothing.

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>>154247886
She's still a girl anon.

>>154239674
She coined it and people just labelled other beings who fit LoC as ones before her.

>>154248313
I really really really want to fuck Velvet

>>154248468
>people just labelled other beings who fit LoC as ones before her
Filthy secundaries.

>>154244295

She didn't coin it at all. The people at Hellawes started calling her that because she set the entire fucking town on fire, and she just rolled with it. She used it as a gag some times, and once even used it to empty up a town, so the civvies didn't get killed when the fighting started.

And yeah, she is the very first first Lord of Calamity.

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No, this is her.
How she really looked like.

>>154251269
she looks kinda fat

>>154251269
that snake head

thats what she gets for hissing autisticly at everyone

>>154251269
So, what else is written in that book?

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>>154247794
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2IqMfpZbhY

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>>154253881
That music playing just made me sad. Will Velvet return and get a happy ending?

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>>154251705

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>>154255463
Yeah, if helping the world involved half of them killing themselves

>Velvet will never be your Onee-chan
Kill me.

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fuck

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Will Sorey and Alisha get together? Will Sorey impregnate Alisha and dump his baby batter into her womb and leave behind an heir?

Or will Alisha return as a Seraph and help Velvet destroy Heaven?

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>>154256184
>That blushing

>>154256184
Are these girls? My dick is confused.

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Velvet is a mean girl

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>>154256479
Umm... anon, sit down I have something to tell you...

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>Alisha guaranteed to become the next queen
>rides in front of the armies with Sorey
The het ship-bait is real

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>>154257732
I love it

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>>154257790
She's also going to learn how to Armatize.
This is fucking great.

>>154255317
>That music playing just made me sad
That hit me harder than I would've liked honestly.

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>>154256612

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>>154256028
>That one chick who was fighting the suicidal impulse outside of the room her friends used to kill themselves.
Despite having dampened emotions you could tell she was really scared.

>>154258125

H-hayai...

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Long story short I'm fucking retarded and lost my save and can't recover it. Know this isn't the place but if anyone happens to have a save around when zaveid enters the party that would be amazing.

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>>154239625
>>154243629
>>154248313
nice. very beautiful cute Akame.

>>154251269
>dem thighs
THICC

>>154259747
she's not a cuck like akame though

>>154247498
>Still sucks
Sorey will never land a combo as easy as Velvet.

>>154255463
And it went from there to
>You two are not even considered me as a family. So, I'll kill both of you and sleep like a log afterwards.

Playing Berseria after ignoring Zestiria. Judging from these threads, I'm going to have a better time just ignoring the Zestiria game entirely and watching the anime instead

>>154261960
indeed m8, you wouldn't miss anything from the game

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfP17XAEr-Q

>>154262218
It was this exact moment where I realised that I was going to love this game

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>>154256479
Left: No
Right: Yes, he is best girl and second best boypussy of the second

>>154256564
Are they going to kiss?

>>154262435
They were alone together in a shared bedroom for nine days and Rose is wearing Alisha's shirt, what do you think?

>>154251354
eating souls dose that to you.

>>154256028
its for the greater good. (((the greater good)))

>>154262563
>They were alone together in a shared bedroom for nine days

That's some marathon of lust

>>154263276
>lust
You know, lust is a form of Malevolence as of Berseria.
And they absorbed a lot of Malevolence from the dragon.
So they needed a long time out to get it out of their system.

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>>154256564
Damn, look at Rose's face, there is no way she wasn't getting some sweet princess pussy.

>>154263328
>the real reason for the existence of squires in the anime is not only be a Malevolence container for the shepherd but also be sexual relief to release all the absorbed Malevolence and stress
>the other Shepherds went mad because they couldn't get laid
>Sorey can purify dragons because he already has a Seraphim husbando to help him and his squires can fuck each other and thus they can all contain much more Malevolence than others
Why does this make so much sense?
This is turning into a really lewd Nasu VN scenario.

>Velvet fucked that shota so hard she went into a 1000 year nap
>wakes up, walks around, everyone shits themselves because THE ANCIENT EVIL HAS AWOKEN!!!
>she ends up meeting Sorey and Meebo and having a grand old time, proving the Lord of Calamity and Shepherd can be cool if the Shepherd isn't a sociopath bent on turning humans into hollow automatons.

>>154263608
Well Game Sorey is the one who saved Phi, and hates guys like Artorius. They'd get alone just fine. Although she'd probably wonder why Zaveid isn't wearing a shirt.

Anime Sorey not so much.

>>154263608
>the ancient evil is a girl with a strong shota fetish
Truly a dangerous and ancestral monster.

>>154255317
Maybe in the sequel.

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Playing Velvet's game right now. Just returned to her home town for the first time.

Things arnt going to remain this happy, are they? I bet I am in for tears soon

>>154264547
You are on your way to the top of the highest hill of the roller coaster right now.

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>>154264571
Yep, thats what I thought

>>154264547

The town's not even bad. It's the next part that hits the hardest. You're gonna be crying tears of happiness soon

>>154264771
Speaking of the Aball return, one thing I liked a lot was Rokurou trying to warn Velvet about Niko when they were about to fight. For all the things he does and say about being a deamon, Rokurou is a really cool guy.

>>154256564
[lesbian doujins intensifies]

>>154265348
>Alisha
>doujins
Anon...

>>154256564
Poor (wo)man Rita/Estelle.

>>154265348
>doujins involving girls in Zestiria
>doujins involving yuri
Y-yeah, sure.

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>>154265221

Rokurou is indeed a great guy, but it was Eizen who warned her.

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Velvet has such a cool design. I'd say one of the cooler female characters in anime, if not all fiction

>>154265543
Her hair and her face are fine but her outfit is too busy. it has too many belts, like an old Tetsuya Nomura design Her pirate outfit looks better.

>>154265543

I really like it too. It perfectly grasps the theme of "chaos with purpose".

>>154265593
I have everyone on pirate outfit. My favourite.

>>154265543
>That
>Cool

>>154265670
Show me cool then.

>>154265631
is chaos not inherently without purpose

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>>154265748
That's an over designed garbage that it's all over the place with too many belts, it looks like something out of devianart.

>>154265780
I'll give it to you that it looks like the artist started drawing and never stopped,its obviously not without flaw. But I dont think that image constitutes cool, its really nice though

Is Rose Eleanor's descendant?

>>154265955
No.

>>154265775

Generally speaking, maybe.

But I mean, like Velvet as a character is a constantly changing, unpredictable force of disorder, who stirs conflict everywhere, but still has a clear, stable goal.
And similarly her attire is totally random in detail, but is still strongly defined and gives a harmonious impression as a whole.

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>>154265955
Maybe

>>154265955
Yes, best girl breeds best girl

>>154266154
>Rose
>best girl
The only thing that Rose is best at is being a Mary Sue.

>>154262218
Is that why the birds fly?

>>154239625
Lord of calamity who saved world.

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>>154265748
This

>>154266316
Jesters aren't cool.

>>154266245
Alisha has her beaten in that thanks to the anime.

>>154266316
Hahaha that's amazing. I love it

>>154266364
And overtook her role as top Mary Sue. But even then when I say that Rose was a better Mary Sue I mean that at least Rose eventually took a back seat in the last half of the story so that it could actually progress reach an end.

Alisha on the other hand doesn't allow for that to happen.

>>154262218

Loved that skit where she tells Eleanor to act like a dove and she actually does it the absolute madwoman and without shame

>>154266462
Eleanor is crazy, that's why she wants to steal the shota from Velvet.

>>154266297
A family feud with the world as their battlefield.

>>154239625
She's the first Lord of Calamity who wants to take the virginity of both her little brother and nephew.

>>154266824
So Velvet's problem is incest then?

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>>154266360
>implying

>>154239625
>Escape from a prison island by instigate a riot and then convert it into her hideout much later
>Set a whole town on fire and fucks up the economy and naps a shota on her escape
>Naps the crown prince of Midgand and that said prince wants freedom
>Fake a daemon's death by cutting off the daemon's tail to be present as proof
>Naps a loli and turn an entire village into daemons
>Attempt to assassinate a high priest but crown prince's pet bird ate him but still claim the price on his head

>>154266095
Is it possible to be impregnated by a daemon?

>>154267236
Why not? His body is still functional

>>154267086
Being a bad influence on little malaks isn't cool either.

>>154267292
Still cooler than the 'no fun allowed' Eleanor

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>>154267324
>>154267292
>>154267086

>that part where she holds back Melchior alone, going through mindbreaking pain again and again, just so that the other can have a way back
>She had no way of knowing if they were even alive, yet she never gave up or stopped believing
>All those times she acted indifferent towards the party, but was probably praying "pls don't break, don't break, don't break" the whole time
>When they ask what she was doing, she lies nothing happened
>mfw

Magilou isn't just cool. She's the absolute coolest. No contest.

>>154267560
She even breaks her Oath to tell the world about Velvet. Truly she was the best party member.

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>>154267560
Magilou had a hard life.

>>154267080
More like severe case of Shotacon with some brothercon.

>>154248538
get in line.

>>154256272
What's Alisha sitting on there?

>>154257763
Are Alisha and Sorey going to end up together?

>>154268504
velvet's dick

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>>154268604
No

>>154268604
AlishaxSorey is actually the least popular couple with Nips, bar none. Even Alishafags and waifufags who only care about seeing their boring little princess, don't like her with him.

>>154268604
>>154268844
Alisha will return as a Seraph and this: >>154256272 will become a reality

>>154268886
She's so boring though, by far the worst girl in zesty/berseria.

>>154268886
As much as I want another game with Berubetto, what is she even going to do?

Her whole motivation was to kill Artorius.

>>154268886
Just let her die like a normal human in peace.

>>154268886
Alisha is boring and Alishafags are a meme, that's something that Ufotable had to learn the hard way. I don't see Bamco making the same mistake again with her.

>>154268948
Kill the people who played them all into killing each other with Sorey.

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I WANT TO WATCH MAGILOUS ANIME

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>>154268943
>>154268981

Maybe Bamco is going to misinterpret wanting Alisha back as something the fans want. I mean after all, Eleanor was basically Alisha. Don't see why they wouldn't bring her back, especially since Velvet can tell Alisha all about how she killed her ancestors, Oscar and Teresa.

>>154268948
Innominat is still an issue and the Seraphs in Heaven caused this whole shit to happen in the first place.

>>154269007
>Bamco
>Not making mistakes

They literally made Eleanor as an Alisha 2.0

>>154269057
But Eleanor is a great character

>>154268948
According to the Zestiria guidebook and manga, Sorey and Mikleo actually do make some headway with their dream of seraphim and human co-existence, but there's a group of people in their way who wish to stop them.

>>154269057
>They literally made Eleanor as an Alisha 2.0
But also a fun character with a character arc who actually fits well with the rest of the cast.

>>154269057
Velvet doesn't care about that though. She only cared about her vengeance on ARUTORIOSU.

And Elanor is the best girl.

>>154269108
She loved Arthur-niisan though, I'd say that given the chance of massacring the seraphims and ending the whole malevolence thing, she'd help.

>>154269057
Except Eleanor is a good character and Alisha is just boring. The only thing that Eleanor and Alisha had in common was their moral faggorty and even then Eleanor was more on the human side of that.

>Maybe Bamco is going to misinterpret wanting Alisha back as something the fans want.
According to some anon on 2ch Alisha merchandise sells like shit, which is why you don't see too much of it. Her Alishafags may be loud but they're very small in number.

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Magilou anime when

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>>154269180
I would like to see Edna and Magilou together

>>154269180
Never ever. ;_;

>>154269057
> They literally made Eleanor as an Alisha 2.0
But Eleanor is a good character with really good chimestry when interracting with others.

>>154269180
Magilou is an old hag.

>>154269263
So is Edna.

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>>154269201

>>154269262
>>154269101
Reminder Alisha was literally created to not have any real chemistry with Sorey, which is why their interactions always fall flat.

>>154269263
So is Edna, but she's still smokin' hot

>>154269165
>According to some anon on 2ch

Yeah post the link or it didn't happen. Oh right, you're full of shit

>>154269263
Edna is older than Magilou.

>>154269323
The problem is that she doesn't have chemistry with anyone in the whole game.

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>>154269263
She's 14.

>>154269359
okay
http://tekito.2ch.sc/test/read.cgi/gamechara/1487922943/0-
Also common sense should have clued you in on this. If Alisha was truly popular and her merchandise sold, then why doesn't she have less merchandise than Rose?

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>start playing Tales of Berseria
>expect Tales of Blood: The Blood-Edge
>get family hijinks with Laphicet and his 5 parents

Positive surprise.

>>154269550
*Why does she have less merchandise than Rose?

>>154269371
She had some with Sergei, but yeah she has no chemistry with any of the party members.

That's probably why the anime doesn't allow her to actually hold a conversation with them.

>>154269551
More like two brothers, two sisters and a weird aunt. But yeah, that about sums up my experience as well.

>>154269371
She's not a person, you know. She's a character and was written that way. I don't know why. Maybe it's true that Baba hated her or whatever. It's not really a problem though. Just hire a writer who can do his job properly.

Not that I think the Zestiria-Berseria world will ever get a sequel. I'm just saying.

>>154269551
I loved his skits with Rokurou and Eizen.

>>154269665
>Just hire a writer who can do his job properly.
They tried in the anime, but didn't happen either.

>>154269721
I'm not sure they tried. Who writes the anime?

>>154269371
Too bad that's true with everyone in the Zesty cast except for Edna and Meebo's back and forth. They just happen to be doing the same thing and there is no dynamic.

>>154269665
>b-but Baba
That's a bullshit excuse, it was the scriptwriter who said that, not Baba. And even then some personalities just don't really mesh well with others.

Look at the anime, her interaction with the other characters is dry and devoid of chemistry even with the characters having their personalities altered to suit her it still doesn't work. Alisha is just a shit character.

>It's not really a problem though. Just hire a writer who can do his job properly.
Actually when this happens the proper course of action is to simply get rid of the character. After all it's the writer that created the character not the other way around.

>>154269656
I'd say in the interaction with Laphicet it's kinda like this:
Velvet = Edgy mom
Rokuroh = relaxed dad
Eizen = cool uncle
Magilou = mean older sister
Elenor = nicer older sister

>>154269785
Mikleo and Sorey give off the childhood friend vibe properly through his interactions, you can actually believe they've known each other for years, so at least it's there.

>>154269815
>Velvet Mom
Velvets Onee-san level is way too high for this.

>>154269861
Poor Phi, he's pretty much otoutozoned the whole game.

>>154269785
Sorey, Mikleo, Edna, Zaveid and Dezel had chemistry with one another. Some of the better interactions with Sorey and Mikleo happen before Lailah and Alisha join, then the skits become dry before picking up when Edna joins.

Rose was forced and Lailah had no chemistry with anyone to speak off. Alisha was even worse. With the exception of Edna the female characters were shit. And because they're in almost every skit it made it look like the whole party has no chemistry.

>>154269758
The writer for Zestiria is the president of Ufotable.

>>154269815

Rokurou is more like an older brother to Phi, as they end up treating each other more or less as equal men by the end.

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>>154269861
There isn't really a difference between the two, I feel.
She might as well be a single mom to the original Laphicet too.
Frankly if Japan didn't have such a hang-up for protagonists being youths, you could replace every instance of the word sister with mother in the dialogue and nothing would really change about the story or how people act.

>>154269891
Dezel was just talking about muh animals and muh revenge the whole time, he didn't really connect with anyone.
The skits weren't even funny.

>>154269804
>it was the scriptwriter who said that, not Baba.
It really doesn't matter who's at fault. It was still a fuck up.

>Actually when this happens the proper course of action is to simply get rid of the character.
The inherent problem with this is that if she was really so meaningless, she shouldn't have been created in the first place. But she was. They just didn't know how to deal with her afterwards. Well, not just her. The whole game was a mess. Again, just hire a proper writer/director who can do their job write.

>And even then some personalities just don't really mesh well with others.
Personalities of fictional characters can be changed to some extent. That's no a problem. Even values and principles can be changed given proper context.

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Reminder that Alisha's VA was a Tales fan forever and really wanted to do a role in a Tales game but got shafted because Baba wanted to fuck Rose's VA

Fuck Baba

>>154270113
>Alisha x Edna armatization
SOON.

>>154270058

Not to mention Velvet's intense feelings for Laphi would make a lot more sense if he were her own child.

>>154269926
>The writer for Zestiria is the president of Ufotable.
Well there you go. An in-house writer of unremarkable credentials. They not only kept Alisha boring. They also made everyone else even more boring than they were in the game.

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>>154270058
>>154270168
I actually feel like the story would've hit me 10000 times harder if Velvet actually was Laphicet's mother. It would've made her blind rage and her eventual sacrifice much more sadder than it already was

>>154270197
What kind of man would swipe 100 gald from his little sister?

Why are Japs unable to write a "tragic" story without ripping off Shakespeare and having the heroes sacrifice themselves?

>Velvet dies
>Noctis dies
>Tidus died
>all of Class 0 died
I bet Link dies at the end of BotW

>>154270326
But Velvet is a villain and she sacrifices herself because she knows she only destroys things.

>>154270106

There's this weird pattern going on where people expect all the characters to fulfill a specific type of relationship, disregarding their personalities and goals.

Alisha is a princess, a political figure. Her role in the game was to give a face to her kingdom and grow into the role of a monarch. Appearing distant and burdened was part of this identity. Her playing well together with a band of carefree hippies would've been weird.

>>154270326
>I bet Link dies at the end of BotW
No he died at the beginning of BotW.

>>154270380
Is BotW any good? Never played any Zelda games before

A shame we won't get any /ss/ jealousy between Eleanor and Velvet animated

>>154270326
To be fair, more than half of tales games have the MC sacrifice himself only to maybe come back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCsoHbqPmT4
The bathhouse scene was funny
Phi covered his eye. The purest shota

>>154270113
It's not all bad. She got her own anime out of it.

>>154270076
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEuLft3mtRA
He had some good interactions so long as it wasn't about Rose.

>>154270376
Yeah, people being multifaceted and not sticking to a really specific archetype is weird.

>>154270160
>We didn't get Zaveid Alisha armatization because they didn't have two winds
Goddammit.

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>>154270499
>dubbed

>>154270445
It's just another open world shitfest.

>>154270485
Meanwhile Velvet checked out the goods. As expected of a Lord of Calamity.

>>154270376
>There's this weird pattern going on where people expect all the characters to fulfill a specific type of relationship, disregarding their personalities and goals.
Because their goals don't have restrict their personalities. Maybe you're confusing personalities with values and principles. You can have a moralfag character who is also goofball and likes to joke around. Personalities and principles are two different things.

>>154270106
>It really doesn't matter who's at fault. It was still a fuck up.
It wasn't a fuck up she was genuinely created to not have chemistry, that was the point. Alishafags just went full on conspiracy theorists about it.

>The inherent problem with this is that if she was really so meaningless, she shouldn't have been created in the first place. But she was. They just didn't know how to deal with her afterwards. Well, not just her. The whole game was a mess. Again, just hire a proper writer/director who can do their job write.
She was always meant to the normalfag party member, nothing more.

>Personalities of fictional characters can be changed to some extent. That's no a problem. Even values and principles can be changed given proper context.
And yet they did just that and it made her even worse. The problem that you're thinking that she's supposed to be more than just another party member.

>>154270493
And the anime is shit because they tried to make her more than she was meant to be.

>>154270272
A pirate.

>>154270587
>Because their goals don't have restrict their personalities.

We're talking about a work of fiction. The goal is supposed to represent the personality. It's because the character is who they are, that they've chosen a specific thing as their goal. Unless that comes across clearly, they've failed their purpose in the story.

>>154270532
So basically it got all the praises just because it's a Zelda game? Those 'critics' seems treat it like a second coming of Jesus

>>154270657
>It wasn't a fuck up she was genuinely created to not have chemistry, that was the point.
There was no point. They didn't go anywhere with this.

>She was always meant to the normalfag party member, nothing more.
You have to be in the party to be the normalfag of the party.

>And yet they did just that and it made her even worse.
Along with all the other characters. So what? It just means the anime writer suck.

>>154270587
But their roles can determine the personalities that they have, and a personality is what helps to dictated their values, goals and principles. You can have a moralfag who likes to likes to joke around, but when they're meant to be playing the role of a princess knight that personality doesn't suit their role.

>>154270760
>We're talking about a work of fiction. The goal is supposed to represent the personality.
Their goals represent their principles, their values. Not their personalities. You're mixing things up.

>>154270866
What are principles and values if not another reflection of personality?

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>>154270326
>Noctis died
>the 3 Bros died
>Luna died
>Regis died
Great. I wasted my fucking time. I fucking HATE GAMES THAT COP OUT WITH EVERYONE DYING. I WANT TO BE REWARDED for this shit, not slapped in the face.

>>154270657
Alisha only got a personality in her DLC even if half of it was silly bickering with Rose like highschool girls but I thought that was fun.
Alisha got to act like a little selfish girls like she always wanted to and adding that part to her personality was a nice choice even though the DLC was garbage.

>>154270326
Velvet didn't really die.

>>154270830
>There was no point. They didn't go anywhere with this.
Well Rose partially to blame for this since she kicked out Alisha from the party, and this meant this idea wasn't allowed to be explored. But then again this also erased the problem of her not meshing well with Sorey's group.

>You have to be in the party to be the normalfag of the party.
I'm takling about what Alisha was meant to be, and why she didn't fit in. Not about how she ended up being. As in the game she's just a guest party member, so her being a normalfag doesn't matter.

If you're arguing about the anime though then that's on Ufotable, they're just shit.

>Along with all the other characters. So what? It just means the anime writer suck.
Yeah they changed everyone's personality for her, I never said that the anime didn't suck. Blame Alishafags for not realizing that their waifu was the weakest link.

>>154270847
>But their roles can determine the personalities that they have, and a personality is what helps to dictated their values, goals and principles.
Fiction gives you a lot of freedom in that matter. Huge contrasts between personalities and values (and roles) is a thing.

You can have a moralfag who likes to likes to joke around, but when they're meant to be playing the role of a princess knight that personality doesn't suit their role.
Not at all. It depends on what you're looking for. You want a straight laced kind of knight princess or something more unconventional. You don't have to restrict yourself. And ultimately what matters the most is if the character actually works or not.

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>>154270326
Don't forget about this.

>>154270938
>>the 3 Bros died
What?

>>154271057
>not liking bittersweet endings

>>154270326
Tidus died twice, yuna fucked his corpse and it brough him and sin back.

Blame SE

>>154270950
She had a personality in the main game too, the DLC only gave her something new to bitch about since her problems were dealt with in the main game proper. It's still better than the anime though.

>>154268786
>not talesofyuri

you fucked up

>>154270906
>What are principles and values if not another reflection of personality?
In writing the personality is the outward demeanor. Is that character energetic or stoic, serious or a chill kinda dude? That kinda thing. Principles and values are something more fundamental. Is that character a moralfag or totally amoral? Something like that. While these things relate to each other, there can be huge contrasts. I'm sure you've heard of "a jerk with a heart of gold," for instance.

>>154271180
Lesbians are also homosexuals.

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>>154271135
>Tidus wasn't "real", he was based on Shuyin and "created" by the Fayth in an attempt to recreate Shuyin
>when Yu Yevon is killed, the Fayth goes as well, making Tidus disappear
>he is made "real" at the end of FFX-2
>he fucking kicks a random bomb and dies yet again off-screen
>brought back AGAIN, this time as an alcoholic deadbeat like Jecht
Character Assassination: Squeenix style

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>>154271225
And?

>>154271047
>Not at all. It depends on what you're looking for. You want a straight laced kind of knight princess or something more unconventional.
Not necessarily while it does depend somewaht on what you're looking for, it also depends on how you want the character to come across. You're more likely to take a straight laced princess knight more seriously than an unconventional one. Which was the intention. They wanted people to take Alisha seriously as well as give off the feeling that she was a moralfag, so she was made to be straight-laced. While it sounds pretty to say that there are no restrictions in writing the truth is that there are. The restriction is how you wish for the character to come across.

Principles and values can be highlighted or diminished by a character's personality. The thing about the "jerk with a heart of gold" character is that their "heart of gold" gets dimished by the fact that they're a jerk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1lA_GdLsos

Edna is best

>>154271362
Yuri is redundant because homo includes yuri as well.

>>154270326
>Velvet dies
Velvet is immortal

>>154271044
>Well Rose partially to blame for this since she kicked out Alisha from the party, and this meant this idea wasn't allowed to be explored. But then again this also erased the problem of her not meshing well with Sorey's group.
One problem doesn't fix the other. They just compound on each other. Because it's not like Alisha just disappeared. She was still there, just off-screen doing nothing, highlighting the problem even more.

>I'm takling about what Alisha was meant to be, and why she didn't fit in. Not about how she ended up being. As in the game she's just a guest party member, so her being a normalfag doesn't matter.
Well, the fact that it doesn't matter shows the problem. You write this character this or that way, but why? There has to be a reason. It has to matter. The game has a huge problem of not knowing what the hell to do with the characters. Not just Alisha, so that's probably the most noticeable example.

>Yeah they changed everyone's personality for her, I never said that the anime didn't suck. Blame Alishafags for not realizing that their waifu was the weakest link.
No, blame the writer for sucking. There must be like a thousand ways to fix Alisha's character without breaking everything else. Actually, a good writer could do it while fixing everyone else too.

I finished zestiria but I barely remember shit

Does magilou show up in it? I saw her in a clip posted here

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>>154271385
>KI E RO

>>154271362
yaoi is necessary too, love comes in all corners anon.

>>154239625
Just bought the game on steam. Should I watch the anime before or after playing it?

I watched Persona 4 anime while I still hadnt completed the game and I just didn't care about playing the rest. The anime was far more enjoyable than the mindless grinding.

>>154271323
Didnt know about that last part, like father like son.

>>154271517
Play (Zestiria and) Berseria before watching animes

>>154270485
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8BwONTCqQw

>>154271379
>You're more likely to take a straight laced princess knight more seriously than an unconventional one. Which was the intention. They wanted people to take Alisha seriously
No one ever took Alisha seriously. They treated her like shit and then put her on a bus, and keep shitting on her afterwards. I really doubt the staff had any concrete idea of what to do with her, to be honest.

>Principles and values can be highlighted or diminished by a character's personality. The thing about the "jerk with a heart of gold" character is that their "heart of gold" gets dimished by the fact that they're a jerk.
No, actually contrast highlights the good trait. That's the point of that sort of device.

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repeat after me

>>154271614
>Zestiria
Zestiria is fucking garbage, though.

>>154271674
That's why i put it in parentheses

I think it's ok to just play Berseria and just watch the anime

>>154271438
>One problem doesn't fix the other. They just compound on each other. Because it's not like Alisha just disappeared. She was still there, just off-screen doing nothing, highlighting the problem even more.
Like I said we can't say how Alisha would have come across playing the role she was meant to play in the party because she was kicked out. It could be that it worked wonders to highlight just how otherworldly Sorey and the seraphim are in a good way. We can't say for sure.

>Well, the fact that it doesn't matter shows the problem. You write this character this or that way, but why?
It doesn't matter because the game was altered to include Rose, for all we know they wanted to get rid of her but couldn't because of her VA.

Every character had their arcs erased to include while Alisha's is mostly intact so it's not as though she's the character that suffered the most from Rose's inclusion. From the interview it was Sorey and Mikleo who suffered the most from it.

>No, blame the writer for sucking. There must be like a thousand ways to fix Alisha's character without breaking everything else.
There is a way to fix her, making her a side character and not entertaining the idea that she may be too important or anything even close to a main character. The manga actually did that, but like I said before that's not what Alishafags wanted. They wanted their waifu in the forefront despite the fact that that's not where her character was suited to be.

Just for you here's the manga.http://pastebin.com/wRcC4Erk
FYI the Manga is credited as a being from Bamco so for all we know the writer for ToZ the game made it.

>>154271563
It's in the absolute ass "FFX-3" teaser in the HD port.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK3EfCDbOF4

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Magilou best girl. Magilou anime when?

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>>154270326
>Velvet dies
But she doesn't

>>154263352
Sauce

>>154271651
>No one ever took Alisha seriously. They treated her like shit and then put her on a bus, and keep shitting on her afterwards.
Actually that's not true, the people in the streets take her seriously and her name or rather reputation was used to keep thieves in line. And you hear a lot of NPCs speak highly of her all the time.

Not all the time, a lot of times it can make the times where the character does something good an easily miss-able event especially because of how they normally act.

>>154271215
>Principles and values are something more fundamental. Is that character a moralfag or totally amoral?

I really don't see how that's not a personality question. And I see no reason why the concept of personality should be somehow detached from its real world equivalent in writing, unless you're doing some kind of overtly simplified children's cartoon.

>>154271690
The anime is worse than garbage though.

>>154271754
>tfw no Magilou+Edna adventures

>>154271869
Don't lie, nothing can be worse than zestiria game.

>>154271920
The anime is.
Mary Sues? Check
No Plot? Check
No progression? Check
Barely any characterization or interactions between characters? Check
Boring?Check
Dry as fuck?Check
The anime took the worst parts of the game and magnified it.

>>154271920
Xillia? Tempest? Graces?

>>154272050
Graces had the best opening.

>>154272089
Zestiria (game) has the best opening of all tales by far

>>154272112
But Zesteria's opening didn't get stuck in my head leading to eventually singing along every time I started up the game.

>>154272050
Graces had good combat and lots more content.

>>154271754
More interested in the nude mod. Nude mod for Velvet, Magilou, and Eleanor fucking when? It's been two months now.

>>154271754
I want to put my dick inside her vagina and ejaculate if you know what I mean.

Why did Dezel have to go

>>154272311
Because you aren't allowed to have more than one for each element because the party system is shit.

THERE'S THE PEACE WHEN YOU'RE AT WAR

>>154272311
So that Rose's story could finally reach it's conclusion.

Isn't that just because he and Zaveid had the same moveset?

>>154272386
Dezel has a cooler design than Zaveid though

He's also blind moe

>>154271844
>I really don't see how that's not a personality question.
That's not the point. What I'm trying to say is that your outward demeanor doesn't necessarily go hand in hand with your morals and principles. That's true both in fiction and real life.

It really doesn't matter what you call what. The point is that writers generally think about these things separately because it helps in the writing process. And sometimes what you're going for is a character that shows a huge contrast between their attitude and morals.

Bro Talk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmlSHxdY0Ls

>>154272406
Well to be fair Zaveid has the better personality and does know more about shepherds. In fact it's Zaveid who finally gets the story moving when he decides to get Sorey to speak to Mayvin.

>>154272386
Rose had no story
>surely this shepherd is a bad guy lets kill him
>whoops he's too strong
>oh I gotta save him because the plot demands it
>whoa suddenly I have superpowers
>time to follow him around forever even though I don't really care about his goals and have no reason to join him

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So what's the plot of the third game going to be then? What's the party members going to be?

>>154239625
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAIBFAF6-mY
Never skip OP.

>>154272616
Beating up Seraphs from the Heavenly Realm.

>>154270485
Eleanor has a big booty?

>>154272568
Thing is that's a story, it's just an exceptionally shitty one.

I think that the writers knew it and so were forced to sacrifice Dezel to make it appear to make some lick of sense. Even though his story makes more sense without her.

It's fucking worse when you read her description in the guidebook though. Apparently she assassinated over 1000 people since turning Sparrowfeathers into a assassins.

>>154272616
>Celica as the main character of Berseria

It would've been nice to see the motherly sister to Velvet try to murder her husband for sacrificing her family and her unborn child

>>154271674
>>154271690
Is it that bad? /v/ said it was an ok game

>>154272673
>Oh no this Seraph is actually responsible for killing my dad, ruining our guild and forcing me and my friends to live in the shadows and has been hijacking my body for years
>lol idc it's ok, you're good
At least the anime did Rose's story better. Would've been perfect had she become a hellion though.

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>>154272782
>Rose becomes a Hellion in the anime
>Alisha becomes the Shepherd once Sorey goes to sleep
>Seraph Alisha wakes Sorey up 1000 years later
>They meet Velvet
>They meet Edna and Eizen

This is the only way to fix the clusterfuck that was Rose

>>154271747
Id love a ffxv-like ffx+10 with jecht, braska and auron. But itll never happen

>>154272770
The only people on /v/ that would call Zestiria anything but garbage are PC secondaries who played it as their first Tales.

>>154272782
Anime Rose is still shit, she's just not as shit as game Rose. Though she makes even less sense considering now it's questionable why Sorey even bothered with her at all.

>>154272866
That just makes Alisha into an even bigger Mary Sue cluster fuck than game Rose was, although she's already surpassed Game Rose as top Mary Sue.

>>154272866
Well obviously she would be purified afterwards and then repent by helping the people.
Otherwise she'd just be Rokurou 2.0.

>>154272896
Anime Rose makes plenty of sense. The only problem was her not gathering Malevolence when she lost it at prince Konan.

>>154272896
>now it's questionable why Sorey even bothered with her at all
They were just travelling together, and when he learned she was an assassin he tried to stop her because he's a moralfag and besides he thought she would become a hellion if he didn't stop her. Not the most interesting of reasons but it makes sense enough.

>>154272961
Except Rokurou actually helped people even when he became a hellion. Rose would just be a half-assed rehash of Rokurou and Velvet, and Alisha a Mary Sue by her side they'd have boring adventures together filled with people kissing Alisha's ass, and the complete loss of anything resembling tension.

>>154272943
>That just makes Alisha into an even bigger Mary Sue cluster fuck than game Rose was
Not even close. Sure, Alisha's ideals don't get challenged, but at least she's not an sociopathic murderer. Rose was worse because the game insisted that she was right and just and couldn't do no wrong despite being a horrible person.

>>154272999
That's part of what I meant, anime Rose should have become a hellion, as it stands she's just a half-assed version of Velvet who isn't even an interesting character.

>>154273025
Wasn't she just his ride into Rolance? And didn't he also have more important shit that he should have been doing?

>>154273065
>and Alisha a Mary Sue by her side they'd have boring adventures together filled with people kissing Alisha's ass, and the complete loss of anything resembling tension.

I'd like that. Alisha and Rose comedic SoL advent/u/res

>>154272866
I think it would be for the best if both Alisha and Rose are corpses in a possible sequel. Both of the characters are just shitstorm bait at this point.

>>154273184
>Wasn't she just his ride into Rolance?
Yeah. That's why I said they were just travelling together.

>And didn't he also have more important shit that he should have been doing?
Yeah, and he was doing just that. But then he learned she's an assassin and he had to stop her because that's what a hero moralfag does. It would be weird if he didn't, actually.

>>154273174
Alisha's ideals never get challenged, she never changes or has to grow, or even has to put forth as much effort. She gets everything handed to her on a silver platter while everyone kisses her ass, worships her. And she gets rewards and accolades for doing jack shit.

Actually Rose outright says that murder is wrong, so she's just a hypcocrite, and her bullshit attitude is exactly why Sorey doens't tell her jack shit about his plans. But despite all of that, she did something that anime Alisha has et to do. Took a back seat so that the story could progress.

Alisha is a bigger Mary Sue.

>>154273185
You mean boring SoL adventures, that'd end in 3 episodes.

Is Berseria's story good enough to sit through the not very interesting gameplay?

>>154273251
>Yeah. That's why I said they were just travelling together.
And Sorey could have or rather should have separated from her once they reached their destination, but he wasn't allowed to.

>Yeah, and he was doing just that. But then he learned she's an assassin and he had to stop her because that's what a hero moralfag does.
Almost forgot that the anime forced him into being a moralfag just to include Rose. Would anything have changed if he wasn't there?

>>154273327
The gameplay is really shit, same awful dungeons and fields and the battle system is easier than Zesty.

>>154273313
>Alisha's ideals never get challenged
Didn't I said that?

>she's just a hypcocrite
And the story never calls her out on it and everyone praises her. They do the same with Alisha in the anime, but it's not as bad because Alisha isn't a murderer or even an hypocrite.

Rose is a bigger Mary Sue.

>>154269263
Edna is 300 in Berseria (1300 in Zestiria)
Magilou is 29

>>154273413
>Almost forgot that the anime forced him into being a moralfag just to include Rose.
I don't think that has anything to do with Rose. Considering how the story developed, I think Ufo just wanted to push a more moralistic message than the game.

>Would anything have changed if he wasn't there?
She would have killed the prince. Why would a hero let that happen if he can stop it?

>>154273327

Gameplay , story and character are all good in Berseria i never got bored from fighting and i can't get enough of the skits in the game all the characters have great charisma and the story isn't half bad

Sure it's not original or great but that the games for you , the story is still 7\10 for me tho , the game overall is 9\10

I played zestiria and i can tell already why some people don't like it

>>154267231
She's just the best, right?

>>154273327
You just have to mash A to win since it automatically decides what move you should use. Rest is just upgrading equipment.

Yes, the story is really good, so it's worth it.

>>154273543
>She would have killed the prince
She still did.
He just fell into the lake where she couldn't see him die.
Rose probably would've died too though.

>>154273470

>Edna is 300 in Berseria

where did you get that from ?

>>154273470
I thought that Magilou was implied to be way older than that, like Melchior (of course not as old as a non-human).

>>154273459
>And the story never calls her out on it and everyone praises her.
Mikleo calls her bullshit, Sorey didn't like her attitude and Edna found her annoying. And even when she's being a blatant hypocrite, there's a skit (easily missable) where the characters including Lailah point out how uncomfortable it makes them in a bad way.

Also like I said before Rose does something that Anime Aisha fails time and again to do. She took a back seat in order to let Sorey take the lead and for the story to progress to it's end. She also never stole any of Sorey's accolades, like Alisha did. She also wasn't the one to come up with the idea of how to fight Hedalf and let Sorey handle that, unlike again anime Alisha who never takes the sits down to let Sorey progress the story.

I haven't played Berseria yet, but Eleanor is best girl.

>>154273603
Well he still died but I would give the kill to Desel. Not that it matters though. The point is Sorey just had to try stop her.

>>154273543
>She would have killed the prince. Why would a hero let that happen if he can stop it?
A hero who already went his own way because he had shit to do. My whole problem with Rose's story is that it was unnecessary.

>>154273618
Tales of Festival 2015
Also Berseria guidebook confirms it.
Eizen is 1000
Zaveid 600 (1300 in Zesty)
Edna 300 (1600)

>>154273635
No, she made pledge at the age of 14, which halted her growth, she's in her late 20, between 28-29. After events of Berseria she was forced to take another pledge, that made her, and the Mayvin clan immortal, but she couldn't speak of Innominat and Velvet.
She broke her pledge, highly implied that it happened 700 years later.

>>154273635

nah it said in the novel she's 29-30 it's her it's her official age HOWEVER she lived much longer than the other humans , she lived like several centuries

>>154273737
It's necessary for anime Sorey because he needs the squires to purify dragons and absorb Heldalf's Malevolence.

>>154273752
What was her first pledge?

>>154273663
>Also like I said before Rose does something that Anime Aisha fails time and again to do. She took a back seat in order to let Sorey take the lead and for the story to progress to it's end.
It hasn't ended yet. I'm sure Sorey will get the reins of the story now.

Also, you're exaggerating about Alisha. She didn't appear in the second season at all until episode 19. Blame Rose if Sorey didn't get enough attention before that point.

>>154273752

Oh thanks for the info then ~

What's the difference between a Malak and Seraph? What about Daemons and Hellions?

>>154273857
None.
Just different names.

>>154273752
>Zaveid 600 (1300 in Zesty)
>Edna 300 (1600)
>Zaveid aged 700 years and Edna aged 1300 years.
Huh? Do you have those backwards?

>>154273752

wait this doesn't make sense zavied should be 1600 and edna is 1300 not the opposite

>>154269885
Doesn't stop him from protecting Velvet's smile. Plus Kittybeard was a total bro and was helping Phi get his Velvetto back.

>>154273790
What the fuck are you on about?

>>154273805
And I'm saying that the whole rule is just unnecesary and even stupid. The anime claims that it's connected to Berseria but that inclusion actually creates a plot hole.

We're meant to believe that for 1000 years Sorey was the ONLY shepherd to ever try to purify a dragon with two squires? It just doesn't make any sense. Yeah the idea is there to make Alisha seem necessary, after the last episode and give an excuse to force her to join Sorey but it doesn't make any sense in the grand scheme of things.

And before you bring up Sorey's resonance, Sorey actually grew up at a time where resonance was at it's lowest point.

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>>154273825
Expanding her powers.
This even made Melchior uncomfortable, as the girl was already gifted at young age.
Note that she's using Normin as her arte catalyst. They're meant to just enforce powers.
Melchior is using Malakhim, and his specialty is copying artes, what he was doing for over 100 years.

>>154270545
Truly an evil shotacon.

>>154273857
Seraph are the ones in the heaven realm and malaks are the one in the humans realm , by the time of zest they call them all seraph

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>>154273884
Ah, my bad.
Precisely.
Zaveid is 1600 in Zesty
Edna 1300

>>154273979
Nice, where do you get all this info? Fanbooks?

>>154273969
>We're meant to believe that for 1000 years Sorey was the ONLY shepherd to ever try to purify a dragon with two squires?
The other shepherds and squires weren't gay enough.
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>>154274046
True name novel (Zaveid's age)
Tales festival at 2015 (first word about Edna's age)
Berseria's World Guidance

Leia is best Tales girl.

>>154272686
Velvet would have been an exorcist there, and totally been ready to fight her sister to save the world for Artur-nii.

>>154273828
>It hasn't ended yet. I'm sure Sorey will get the reins of the story now.
I doubt it, Ufotable is a small studio and so because of that they have to produce the anime well ahead of time. As a result, for better or worse they aren't effected by the later viewer reaction, but by their first impression of it.

At the time that the 2nd cour was made Ufotable was under the impression that Alisha was the most popular character.

>Also, you're exaggerating about Alisha.
I'm not, Alisha wasted our time in the first cour, taking up at times half an episode doing absolutely nothing, and in the second cour she again wastes our time for 3 episodes and counting when the story needs to be moving forward there's only 3 more episodes left to the end and the story hasn't even begun moving.

Thing is if the story went back to Sorey after the end of the Rose side quest then it wouldn't be as big a problem, but that didn't happen because of Alisha.

>>154274055
Cock goes where?

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>>154274046
Ah, her backstory and age - True name novel.
I scanned it http://imgur.com/a/ZE90K

You can find some more stuff about rest of the cast in English novel that was added to CE, scanned it as well : http://www.mediafire.com/file/c1apacufm0sufpw/Witch+Tale.pdf

>>154274135
I refuse to believe you typed that with a straight face.

>>154274079
In 1000 years? I fucking doubt it.

>>154270738
Yeah, but the quality of the story doesn't matter on a VA resume, now does it.

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>skipping Eizen because there's no time left
NOOOOOOOOOO THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING

>>154274273
Eizen will probably be the climax, they will leave Kittybeard for a S3.

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>>154274255
How high are the chances of getting a Shepherd with a seraph husbando and also getting two dyke squires?

>>154274329
the chance is about the same as baba fuck that va

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>>154274248
I did.

>>154274201
>I'm not, Alisha wasted our time in the first cour,
And Rose did just the same in the second. You should get over this thing you have against Alisha, man.

>Thing is if the story went back to Sorey after the end of the Rose side quest then it wouldn't be as big a problem.
And that's what happening. Sorey decided to go the North on his own. Alisha is just tagging alone like Rose. Sorey is moving the plot. So get over it.

>>154274264
It does, if a VA voices a genuine stinker that nobody likes or a disliked character it can intentionally negatively effect their career VA.

In the case of Alisha's VA, the reaction from her stalkers might make them want to think twice about using her to voice a character in their work, if the hate for the character ends up spilling over onto the VA. She's lucky that that's not happening here, but she's never going to voice another Tales character or maybe even also Alisha at all after this.