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>Character is an atheist >Meets + talks to god face-to-face

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>Character is an atheist
>Meets + talks to god face-to-face
>Still an atheist
Why do the japanese think this is a thing
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Why is the MC a loli?
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Not every omnipotent being has to be god
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>>154220954
>Character is an atheist
>Serves in WWI
Why do the japanese think this is a thing
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>>154220976
god wanted her to starve in the orphan gutters and turn to faith for comfort
except god is a retard and reincarnated her into the body of an anime orphan with ULTIMATE MAGICAL POWER instead of a normal pleb anime orphan
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One more god rejected.
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>>154220977
This, but sonzai-ekksu isn't even that. He was talking about how so and so many billion people was allready too much.
His system isn't perfect either so there is that.

>>154220954
If you met a "god" in a similar circumstance would you be arrogant enough to know which one it is out of all possible religions? How could you be sure you even met a god?
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>>154220954
In Salaryman's case it's established right away that he's some sort of sociopath and his denial of Being X is probably more out of pride and arrogance than a logical evaluation.
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She is like 15 now on the novels, right?
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>>154220954
something-something-its-not-god-its-some-rational-overarching-consciousness-not-a-big-bearded-dude-in-the-sky
>>154220976
Because it wouldn't sell otherwise.
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>>154220954
She's agnostic at this point desu.
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>>154220954
It didn't jive with his personal interpretation of what "god" would be (the expert he is), so he immediately discounted it out of hand.

Meanwhile "sonzai eccxu" is legit warping reality.

Now we wait for the big reveal that being x is really just something stupid and the mc was totally rite guise lol dumbass theists amirite *tips fedora*

Zipperheads never portray gods well.
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So the anime shows X like some sort of malevolent alien entity. The manga literally acknowledges the existence of god but he's just part of a larger pantheon of other gods that humanity has believed in.

Where does the LN stand?
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>actually believing that Being X is God

FUCKING LMAO
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>>154220954
Will you convert if God what you meet will Shinto, Hindu or some ancient deity?
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>>154220954
Because the Japanese still have their bronze age religions and you shouldn't compare their use of the word "god" with the one in abrahamic religions
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>>154220954
Faith = you BELIEVE in something that might not even exist for all you know
he met god and at that point its no longer faith, he knows god exist, he saw god
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>>154221028
More like
>god wanted him to think he had a chance by giving him special power that can be used for war in a warring country
>so that god can break his will fighting because war is hell
I mean, since he's a cute girl he can just turn to prostitution and fuck his into a rich family if all else fails.
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>>154222009
>loli
>prostitute
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God is a idea not a being.
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>>154222039
>loli
>not prostitute
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>>154220954
>Meets + talks to god face-to-face
1. What god exactly? Christian? One from the many Shinto gods? Buddha? Allah?
2. What prove there is that it's a god at all?
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>>154220954
There's something called alatrist and deist, you know.
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>>154220954
a being with such amazing powers is not proof of a god

also why the fuck are the big boys of the empire constantly throwing tanya into risky buisness.
she has showed herself to be a great tactician and should not be put in danger.

she prepared a way to bomb a city and still abide to the old ethic rules.
(we know she prepared this since she knew that a world war would definitely start blowing up city's sooner or later, but remember this is unprecedented for the world she is in)

A strong fighter is worth 10 man. a brilliant tactician much more.
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Can someone please explain why the fuck did she join the military?
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>>154222240
>a being with such amazing powers is not proof of a god
Despite it being literally what we classify Gods as, yeah.
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>>154222249
Military offers high pay.
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>>154222257
No. It's what we call god-like.

To be an actual god in needs to be an object of faith.
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>>154222249
She had +A magical power. So instead by recruited by force she entered by will so she climb rnaks faster
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>>154222249
>>154222266
And since she was discovered to have high magic levels, she knew she would have been drafted anyhow, so taking the initiative and becoming an officer becomes the best option.
This was explained in episode 1.
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>>154222240
>why the fuck are the big boys of the empire constantly throwing tanya into risky buisness.
Didn't they wanted her dead out of jealousy?
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>>154222088

>turned someone loli
>can change worlds
>can add magic to worlds
>can stop time
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>>154222291
>It's a God but not.
Well you blew my argument out the airlock.
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>>154222240
>also why the fuck are the big boys of the empire constantly throwing tanya into risky buisness.
because she's one of the, if not the most powerful mages they have, it'd be foolish not to use her.
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>>154222307
you sure?

it seemed to me they are pretty happy to use her papers.

jealousy would probably prevent that
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>>154221898
Same as manga. The manga is pretty faithful to the LN unlike the anime. Though i do like how the anime handles being x since in the LN its silly.
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>>154222332
so she is worth 100 man

she can still die very easily and then they lost not only a great fighter but an amazing tactician that could win more battles by sheer outmaneuvering.

i am just saying that they are using here pretty willy nilly
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>>154221769
>Zipperheads never portray gods well.
Kagerou Daze exists, and isn't secretly written by a foreigner, so you're wrong.
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>>154222330
i can take an ant ant use an airplane to fly it to the other side of the world.

maybe thats all what this guy is doing.
maybe he is a 4th dimensional being

do we know he created everything there is and ever will be ?
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>>154220954

Isn't kami a japanese shinto concept tho?

Pic related, this is a god in japan.
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>>154220954
it isn't actual God if you can meet him
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>>154222400

You could ask him.
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>>154220954
Do you believe in your bed? You know it's real so you don't need to believe in it.
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>>154222414
kami means god.

Japanese people are polytheistic but they have their version of Adam and Eve them being Izanagi and Izanami
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Well I mean god probably does exist but I doubt it's going to be the kind of god that any of our puny little brains can ever hope to conceive.

Fuck. God probably has a 4D waifu and pleasuring itself to non-concepts. Doesn't even realize that we humans are alive let alone created us.
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>>154222332
Soldiers win battles but tacticians win wars. Do they just lack mages or do they have so many outstanding tacticians that they have to ignore a brilliant mind like Tanya's?
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>>154222332
Its not specifically that she is amazing, its because she is leading currently the only fast deployment mage unit. Her units whole point is to be put into places where they need troops as fast as possible.
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>>154222336
>being x since in the LN its silly.
Explain
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the true redpill is accepting there is no superior being that cares about you and you're just tiny molecules in a vast amount of space you can't even comprehend
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>>154221943
This. People are stubborn and close-minded and atheists are no different. Making excuses in front of evidence is nothing out of the ordinary.
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>>154222653
Its literally old testament god, and later budha appears too.
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>>154220954
>god
How you know that is a god?
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>>154222603
Tactics aren't effective without soldiers. Why waste hundreds or even thousands of Soldiers dying to accomplish an objective when Tanya and her team can accomplish it with minimal friendly casualties?
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>>154220954
Being X isn't powerful enough to be god
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>>154220954
I always found it interesting that people assume that if a superior being exists it MUST be worshipped.
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>>154220977
why atheists are so dumb?
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>>154222249
>military
>cum bucket
take your pick.
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Question, on episode 5 where she is training the mages. Was the sole point of her training just make people quit or it was actually training?
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>>154222804
Yes
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>>154222309
Some powerful but perfectly human magician could do this too.
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Funny random trivia Poland (Dakiam) tried to fight german tanks with horses
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>>154222747
And what if Tanya died? Do the empire have so many good tacticians they can dismiss Tanya as expendable, even though she has demonstrated that she can win them much more by planning ahead? In battle, a stray bullet can kill anyone, even the best fighters.
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>>154222889
Wouldn't her super-powered passive forcefield prevent that?
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>>154221769
>Zipperheads never portray gods well.
More like they don't portray gods according to what westerners would expect.
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>>154222804
She wanted them to quit but eventually trained them seriously when they wouldn't so she could have effective meatshields
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Why was there so much crying about muh warcrimes last episode
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>>154222916
Shit, I forgot Tanya is a super powerful magical loli with a FUCKING INVINCIBLE shield.
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>>154223001
good christians dont kill other good christians.
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>>154223016
Yes they do.
Just declare the other guy to be a non-believer or having weak faith and off you go.
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>>154222309
And?

There is literally endless possibilities for who it could be. Including some insane AI running a simulation of multiple worlds.
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>>154222889
She has shown to be a super-competent strategist and a super-competent battlefield commander with a super-magic jewel computer that allows her to shoot magical superexplosion beams.
They can use her for both at the same time, and win the war thus far faster than normal.

Ironically, the reason why Tanya will never get a constant desk job is because she's too competent as a battlefield commander.
She has only herself to blame. And all her attempts to gain a safe position are thwarted by herself trying to make herself look not like a coward, always saying yes to all assignments.
This causes the higher-ups to erroneously believe that she wants to be at the front-lines and lead directly instead of sitting at strategic command.

Her former life and experience as sarariman where he was always trying to prove himself to be invaluable to his superiors by getting a high management job doesn't work the same in a wartime setting where their nation is beset by all sides from enemies and need everyone they can get to win the war.

Now if only the Empire had the Izetta-settings Germanian Empire's cloning technology.
Then the Empire would be able to send a horde of Tanya-loli-clones against their enemies and preserve the original Tanya at strategic HQ.
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>>154220954
She does not believe in existence of Being X, she KNOW that Being X does exist. Knowledge and faith are opposite things.
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>>154223068

And how is that not a God for all intents and purposes?
Your attempt to define and put it in some strawman form with neat limits so you can then beat it isn't really anything more than autistic mental masturbation about rocks and their weight.
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>>154221028
im pretty sure in the manga it says satan gave her magic
can anyone verify this?
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>>154223480
>artificial intelligence
>god
>artificial
That's Deus ex machina, not god of any kind.
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>>154223668
No, that's just a god coming out of a contraption.
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>>154223668

It has god powers in whatever world it resides. A god it is.
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>>154220954
Reminder that those weren't civilians in the city they were fucking Rebuplicans and Tanya did nothing wrong she was following orders.
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>>154223505
So there's a Being Y that wants to fuck with Being X's plan?
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Does sonzai ekkusu watch her schlick?
Would he enjoy it
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Tanya is a SuperLoli. Even though she's been exposed to an act of divine intervention, she continues to valiantly call Mysterious Being X an evil piece of shit whose divinity she won't recognize. It isn't a god of love like it pretends to be, it's merely a devilish and wanton tyrant that Tanya refuses to bend the knee to. Free Will grants her the power to reject this God Hand even though the entire world is targeting her thanks to Mysterious Being X declaring her to be the target of DEUS VULT. Truly, his greatest mistake was leaving Tanya alive, because a magic loli has the power to surpass even God.
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>>154223859

>pssst
>hey kid
>want some power to fight sonzai ekusu?
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>>154223707
If I have an ant farm it not means I'm a god.
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>>154220954
She talks face to face with God and burns a village to the ground.

Who would believe in a shitty God like that?
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>>154223873
It's an experiment.
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>>154220983
> no atheists in foxholes meme

This needs to die.
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>>154223931

If the ant farm is elaborate enough to be an actual universe, you might as well be one to them.
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>>154223931
To the ants, you're god (as long as they aren't free to escape and eat you alive).

If some fifth-dimensional being comes to fuck up with your life, it's god for you, even if that fifth-dimensional being is in turn being fucked up by some eight-dimensional being for shit and giggles and incomprehensible goals.
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>>154223994
>>154224007
Yeah. And then there's this little one ant who says "fuck you, I don't believe you're a god" and he's right.
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>>154224126

You are projecting your euphoric super intelligence too hard, anon.
protip; tanya is cute unlike your ugly ass.
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>>154224157
>hurr durr
As expected from super intelligent being.
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>>154224126
kill yourself tanya
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>>154224189

Hey, you're the guy "disproving" gods of various kinds here, not me.
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>>154222885
Dakia is clearly Romania, have you seen the map?

The world is kind of different than ours (Germany and Austria-Hungary are a big super empire with poland inside it)

As an Italian i'm offended that they don't show us being incompetent against imperials because of a shit general, it's always fun to see us eat shit.
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>>154224478
Also i just realized
It's called Dakia cause the ancient roman province in modern romania was called Dacia.
Clever.
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>>154224478

It's not even that weird. Dakia is just the old name for that region.
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>>154224478
the Dakian commander seems to look like Cadorna at least
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>>154223787
Nobody is wrong on war, only war is wrong here.
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>>154224618
It would be fun if suddendly Not-Italy declared war on the empire and they had another front to fight on.

If they had Not-Cadorna as a general it would be as easy as the Dakia episode but with a Not-Diaz it would be interesting.

The Frenchies have magical horses, the scandinavians have magical skis; would the italians have magical flying pizzas or something?
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>>154224884
Honestly it'd be some form of UFO saucer
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>>154220954
>a god that takes personal offense to a Chicago school fedora atheist and goes out of his way to make his life harder, just to try to get him to belief
>when it doesn't work, he cheats by making MC have to rely on divine miracles


I'm inclined to agree with Tanya. He's a shitty god. True faith doesn't require proof to exist. This god is harming his own cause every time he makes an appearance.
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>>154225029
That's because it's not God, it's the Devil. God doesn't give a fuck he's not even paying attention.
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>>154220954
>Character is an atheist
>Meets + talks to god face-to-face
>Several times
>Still an atheist
Why do the Americans think this is a thing?
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>>154220954
If Sonazi Ecksu really wanted to make him suffer, should have made him born a girl in the notMiddleEast. He (she) would be married by this age to an alpha male in the desert considering the time period.
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>>154225301
No but him into a Starship troopers kind of setting

Have him face Zerg or Tyranids, that should put teach him a thing or two.
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>>154220976
God blessed him.
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>>154225512
That would be even more fantastic. Show literal hell on earth psychological horror and struggle for survival.
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>>154225301
Sonzai X's goal isn't to make her suffer, it's to make her believe in God and make her spread the same belief to others, whether she wants it or not.
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>>154225224

Why wouldn't it be a thing? I'd still deny it because it's not my god.
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>>154222257
You are watching a medium where beings with unimaginable supernatural powers are incredibly common but you just straight up go
>nope, has to be THE GOD
the moment there's yet another of those.
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>>154225676
Is Tanya going to give virgin birth the new age Jesus? History has shown that when God only communicates to male prophets. Only exception was Mary.
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>>154224311
It is not the real God unless it is the ultimate source of all reality. Your logic could make the angels gods. Being incomprehensible powerful is not the goalpost, heathen
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>>154222414
Shinto has no creator god, it's just a degenerate pagan religion were everything has a god and if you take care of your onahole long enough it too can be a god.
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>>154222723
Well if we want to get technical the old testament god was originally a war god in a pantheon.
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>>154225781
>History has shown that when God only communicates to male prophets.
More proof this isn't God.
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>>154225814
Having power over life, death and time lapse is not something any lower divine being can do. Also we don't know if the current reality is the same universe and time line because in Salaryman timeline, no mages existed and Japan was shown as normal like our current world.

To phase matter across the multi-verse with time compression is no small feat, it obliterates the laws of physics.
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>>154225867
> Talking to a rib
Do you sing to your chicken thighs? No. Why should God?
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>>154225823
Monotheistic religions are fucking low-tier beliefs.
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>>154225867
Why was Mary so special then? Also we don't know if our history is true or fabricated. For all we know female prophets were discarded as heathens.
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>>154225888
>Having power over life, death and time lapse is not something any lower divine being can do.
This is literally just you declaring your own headcanon as truth.
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>>154225750
>WAAH IT'S NOT MUH GAWD!
This shit is why you get religious wars.
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Friendly reminder that Deities are just attention thirsty whores seeking pious (You)s.
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>>154225960
Then why don't see a competing deity of equal power as Sonzai X trying to sway Tanya to do his bidding? We would assume other beings of equal or more power would be interested in gaining believers and followers.

Unless Sonazi X is the real god.
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>>154225814

If no higher power exerts it's presence or otherwise an angel could very well suffice pretending to be a god (to lower beings) and they wouldn't know it. I think there was this pretty boy that tried doing something like that but ended up in a fiery place. It's ultimately a matter of power levels. So for X-kun has shown himself to be on top.
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>>154220954
How does he know it's god, rather than a super advanced alien that's fucking with him?
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>>154222367
Welcome to WW1 and WW2 Germany, bleeding your aces dry rather than allow them to rest because you're surrounded by more numerous ennemies.

Also they already have Tanya's memoire, and if Tanya was higher up the ladder she would definitely butt heads with everyone and threatens everyone's position, it's safer to just have her as a tactical consultant (or whatever he is) and send her on the front.

>>154220954
Not only sonzai X is a dick, but even if it's an omnipotent God you don't know what kind of God he actually is. Does he stick to the Catholic creed ? Protestant creed ? Orthodox creed ? Islamic creed ? Etc. Heck he could just apply his own fucking rules that nobody knows, he exists in multiple worlds after all.

So yeah, not worshipping him is not necessarily idiotic. Especially when you consider how horrible that God is.
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>>154225906
A first girl was a Lilith.
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Let's be honest here, if a god did exist and you met him when you died the first I'd have to ask is if hell or a near equivalent to eternal damnation for non-believers existed.

Shit's fucked. At that point I'm just going to bend over and take it.
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>>154225987

Exactly, because retards like you think your god is the one true god.
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>>154226078
Lilith was traded in for a rib eye cum dumpster.
Smartest thing Adam ever did.
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>>154222088
>Christian? One from the many Shinto gods? Buddha? Allah?

You know the Christian God = Jewish God = Islamic God, right? The whole point of capitalizing the name and all is to make sure even the most illiterate fucks get that.
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>>154226011
Maybe the actual god doesn't give a fuck about some petty scuffles like this. Maybe there isn't a god in the first place but X is just more powerful than humans and thus able to fuck with them. Maybe other beings like X are doing this shit in other universes and this one is just X's pet project. Like people playing Sim City.

It's incredibly simplistic and lazy to just say "welp he's god" when you see someone do things you didn't know were possible. The laziest answer imaginable.
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>>154225823
>degenerate pagan religion
Yeah and look at all the strife it's caused in the world compared to, say, Christianity and Islam..
Oh wait
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>>154226158
I was think that she go, because of too much tsundere.
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>>154226178
Except there was no capitalized god anywhere in the post you quoted or the OP.
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>>154225823

t.race traitors buying into a kike religion.
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>>154225888
That is not necessarily what happened. What we know is a cross-reality being who can manipulate information in the mind and in material components has whisped away a salaryman's consciousness into a baby in a different reality for the sake of seeing that will MAKE him worship it. That doesn't make it the God.
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>>154226196

Religion is strongly intertwined with culture. I wouldn't say imperial japan didn't fuck shit up for the short time it had the chance to...
But you have your reasons to hate things I guess.
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>>154226234
Allah - kami-sama in Japanese - God in English.
Arabic has a different word for god, just like a generic god is kami in Japanese and god in English.
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>>154220954
I would be. It's the ultimate form of saying fuck you god, you are useless, unnecessary and shouldn't exist.
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>>154226027
A superadvanced alien that made him reborn with magical powers in a world and can talk and interfere with him and has granted him a mighty powerful relic is by all rights a god.
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>>154226286

You can apply asspull logic like that to disprove or prove anything.
Post-modernism was a mistake.
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>>154225888
>any powerful magician is a god
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>>154226261
Not to mention the kikes were not monotheistic in the beginning, they just rewrote their shit to say that when the Yhwh sect gained the upper hand.
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>>154226325
Nah, it just is a superadvanced alien that can reborn people with magical powers, can talk and interfere, and grant relics.

They may look like gods to us, but so do we to ants.
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>>154226332
A being with sufficiently advanced technology = wizard = god
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>>154226341
A magician utilizes the arcane rules of the universe to bend reality to his whim. An angel bends the rules to create miracles. A God changes them whenever because fuck you I'm God.
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>>154226341

A common theme for powerful wizards is the whole dethroning God thing and taking his place, so yeah.
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>>154226363
Just because I ain't worshiping some gawd of some other people ain't meaning that it ain't nu gawd.
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>>154226108
You have clearly failed to infer what I'm saying. I'm all for everyone having whatever gods they want, there is no true god, any one that displays sufficient worth is worthy of being called a god.
If Thor walked down the road carrying a car on his shoulders, I'd acknowledge him. If Xoltl showed up at my door asking my help to carry some bones down under for him, I'd acknowledge him as a god. If Yahweh was lounging on my lawn sipping a rum and coke and says "Dude, I'm the one and only God, praise me" I'd call the cops on his divine ass unless he moved it off my lawn.
A god is only worth worshiping if they prove their divinity, and any that can and do are worth praising for it. Break reason, be acknowledged as a god is how I'd sum it up.
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>>154226398
You have absolutely no basis to claim X has done anything besides using the rules of the universe like a magician. Are you saying you are 100% aware of how the universe works and can declare when something goes beyond that like only a god would be able to?
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>>154226341
If you are powerful enough, yes.
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>>154226419
So yeah, it's a human magician conducting experiment. Glad we finally agreed.
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>>154222938
Not at all. Gods are almost always just immortal superwizards, and whenever they are portrayed as proper transcendent entities, nothing is ever said about them, and they usually just look like big dumb ghosts, translucent and everything.

I mean, i'm not saying they shouldn't be powerful, i'm saying that they should be powerful because they're gods, not the other way around. Power should be a side effect of sheer cosmic importance.
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>>154226490
> Using the rules of the universe
> Breaking the cycle of life and death
> Breaking the flow of time
> Simple wizardry
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>>154226531

Ergo, God for tanya and company.
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>>154220954
>die
>some pompous omnipotent fuckwit singles you out
>says he's god
>obviously incompetent in how he handles the spiritual logistics of beings he created in the first place
>you don't believe he's god
>he starts to cry like a little bitch and strongarms you into respecting him

Can you honestly blame the guy? Even you'd be sad as fuck knowing this pitiful motherfucker was your god.
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>>154226332
>Post-modermeme

>When I'm holding an explicit objective standard

>When I'm not kneeling to whatever power or pleasure passes me by

Go sit in the corner, /a/non
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>>154220954
>It's more powerful than me it must be God!
Why can't it be an alien? Oh that's right God didn't create aliens so they can't exist.
Why can't it be a god of sorts? Oh that's right that kind of thinking doesn't fit into the one true God absolute truth since all other gods have been factually debunked by the one true God.
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>>154226558
>for tanya
Except it isn't.
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>>154226543
You are simply treating life and death and time as something that only a god can manipulate, but there's nothing to back this claim up. You just decided you want to call X a god which makes you unable to consider all the other possibilities.
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>>154226589
What should a god be able to do to prove that he's not "just" an omnipotent being?
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>>154226562
This.
Hubris of man and all that.
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I think we are all forgetting the true big question here. Does Tanya have pubic hair yet?
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>>154226589
No, you're just retarded and using MUH HEADCANON to tip harder than the leaning tower of faggots.

If X is not God then there will be evidence that points to it being true. There isn't. Until you find it then you're just being stupid.
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>>154226580

How so? A person not accepting god's existence and his existence are two separate things and I'm not sure what's so hard to grasp about that.
Molested by a priest by chance?
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>>154222961
What kind of training did she give them to be so good? Are the ones that passes the illusion test the leaders?

>>154225840
Wait what?
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So like. Does Being X have thousands if not million simulations of multiple worlds where he puts a single non-believer in there just to prove a point?

Is Tanya just a drop in the heretical ocean of poor sods reincarnated into a different world.
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>>154222804
She tried to make the training so hard that they'd all quit.
It backfired and instead she marine bootcamp'd them, giving them special ops hellweek like training producing a pretty damn elite regiment, the best of the best.
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>>154226671
According to science historians, the sheep goat of Abrahamic religion that is being worshiped today was some warrior deity in an Israelite pantheon.
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>>154226543
>>154226640
Well you could argue that Sonzai X is probably an incredibly powerful cosmic being among other rather than an all-powerful omnipotent cosmic entity. Heck he could even be the Devil or a similar entity for all we know.

The only thing we know is that Sonzai X is a thing and that he has incredible powers. We don't know if he's the only of his kind, if he's immortal or not, or even if he's omnipotent and he sure does not appear to be omniscient.

So yeah, there are legit reasons to doubt that he is God, in the same way the abrahamic one is.
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>>154226665
>any existence = god
>not accepting = accepting
Kill yourself and meet your creator.
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> huuurrrrr she's the one responsible for everything bad in the world durrrr
will this loser be a huge pain in the loli ass?
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You secondaries literally can't bother with canon and prefer talking over each other's heads with your headcanons? Salaryman recognizes Sonzai Exxu's powers, but due to how screwed up the world is, he concluded that an omnipotent but malevolent being must be the Devil instead of God.
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>>154226739
his survival is an asspull tbqh
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>>154226758
Yeah, it's a miracle he survived.
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>>154226640
The only "evidence" for him being god, or even A god is that he says so himself. That's it. You can post le tipping meme all you want, but just calling him god because that's how you want to define one is boring and lazy.
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>>154226758
You could say it's almost like a deus ex machina.
To be honest I saw it coming a mile away. It does seem impossible for him to survive, but Sonzai X has done things more crazy than that.
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>>154226739
>vlc

Why are you even here?
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>>154226793
> Only evidence
> Literally everything that happens around Tanya's life is influenced by X
If you're going to lie at least put some effort into it.
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>>154226816
why would i rename a file for a guy like you?
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>>154226671
The jews were originally polytheistic and didn't become monotheistic until around the babylonian exile. Yhwh was a "holy warrior" type of a god and eventually won over the rest, possibly because they felt the need for a strong warrior god who would save them from their suffering. This is why there are remnants of polytheism in the old testament (plural forms when referring to god, god behaving very inconsistently etc). All of the myths and such are taken from older sources as well, pretty much everything the jews are telling you and themselves about their history is fabrication and powerfantasies.
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>>154226851
>i
As expected.
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>meets god
I see people falling for the Demiurge scam again and again I find it just plain sad.
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>>154226737

>dat edge

Also, whatever entity X is in this story does not affect our world whatsoever, so your crusade against muh raillegions is misplaced.
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>>154226533

The japanese concept of what a god is, isn't an omnipotent guy, the majority of japanese are shintoist and shinto gods that you would actually pray to have more in common with mortals then the abrahamic god does. Shinto gods are either spirits of the land or animals or even just random dudes. While they can be powerful they can have biases, be tricked, not know things, get their position usurped or even be killed.
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>>154226897
K Y S
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>>154226739
So is this guy praying to sonzai X or some other "god"? Are we going to see a clash between X and Y at some point?
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>>154226829
You don't seem to get it. We all know X is capable of incredible things, the question is whether he is a god like he claims or just a powerful being.
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An almighty being has the possibility of being a god but a god isn't always an almighty being.
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>>154226886
>>154226886
>>154226726

Anyone have a list of the other gods in true gods sect?
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>>154226901
Demiurge is cute. CUTE.

I will not allow you to bully him.
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>>154226948
Until we're shown otherwise, it's safe to assume that the guy saw Entity X, who might or might not be God, the Devil, just a functionary in a vast incomprehensible bureaucracy, an annoyed artificial intelligence running a weird simulation, an autistic being at the center of the universe dreaming all of reality or a powerful alien wizard with reality-altering powers.
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>Be an asshole
>Die
>"God" call you out on living like an asshole
>"Fuck you you're the asshole and you suck at your job!"
Perfect.
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>>154226948
that was X obviously, who else hating Tanya? Everyone loves her, well maybe except that hipster with suglasses
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>>154227037
He's not wrong though. If Being X was God then he fucking sucked at his job.
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>>154227028
>>154227043
Ah well, would be interesting if there was another entity trying to influence the republic side making this entire thing just a giant pissing contest.
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>>154226533
why?
christian gods are boring
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Here's a better question. If Being X was a god, what particular religion's god do you want the guy to be of?
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>>154226615
make you believe it by wishing it true seems like a straightforward solution
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>>154226615

Make a rock that can't be lifted, then lift it.

>god btfo forever by Logic
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>>154227037
>"God" call
calls, fag.

>Be an asshole
He's not though.
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>>154227109
But than you'd just argue that he used cheap mind control powers to make him believe that he's a god.
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>>154227012
Look at him.
This is the cunt that makes your life miserable and turns you into a magical loli. Disgusting.
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>>154227138
Can't he just quantum theory string schroedinger cat-something something and do both at the same time?
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>>154227149
no I wouldn't because I'd be cheaply mind controlled into not doing so
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>>154227141

Even MC admits it.
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>>154227177
So in short, the biggest mistake that deities ever made was free will?
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>>154227175

Nope

He won't be good if he needs to cheat.

Hence god can't exist.
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>>154227218
>implying free will exists
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>>154227149
>>154227177
seriously, an omnipotent entity doesn't need proof and proof would be impossible

it'd simply wave a magic wand and the concepts of truth and logic would disappear and after that it'd make a sandwich too big for it to eat and eat it

the fact that there are rules that allow one to think about a thing at all makes it not omnipotent
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>>154223913
That snake was my favourite character in the Bible.
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>>154227037
If assholes like the MC exist then "God" must be doing a really shitty job.
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>>154227218
well if they needed people to believe in them to the exclusion of other concerns it certainly was
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>>154227225
If he can cheat despite it being impossible to cheat, then why ought it not be proof of divine powers?
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>>154223859
>>154223913
No, it was another deity telling G-d to spice things up a little, since Tanya didn't find faith.
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>>154227233
Why should being able to think disprove another being's omnipotence?
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proof of god is literally impossible
it can always be a trick
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>>154227542
Wouldn't that just be obstinate self-delusions?
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>>154227542
And it is for that reason that you are to rely on faith. X can't be God because he subverts this obvious point
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>>154227284

The idea being the rock thing is essentially strawman omnipotence and beat it. Solution isn't allowed.
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>>154227542
By those standards proof of anything is impossible
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Sonzai Eksu can't be god because he's self-admittedly incompetent piece of shit who can't manage 7 billion people.
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>>154227767
Well he could've just drowned everyone except for one dudes family
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The idea of an omnipotent being existing isn't hard to swallow.
However, the idea of an omnipotent being existing yet somehow be really petty and incompetent is.

I believe that's the kicker here.
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>>154227732
correct
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>>154227798
There are gorrillions of stars in our universe alone, if he can't manage just 7 billion fuckwits then what is he even good for?
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>>154227807
>>154227767
These.
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>>154227676
Why not make a rock that he can't lift, then make himself stronger so that he can lift the rock?
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>>154220954
Having proof of a higher lifeform that claims to be God doesn't mean you have to believe that it's God, nor does it mean he is automatically worthy of worship.
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>>154227807
God from the bible can be hella spiteful man
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>>154220954
>implying X is a god
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>>154227978
Yes well that's why the Christian God is really hard to swallow.

I believe that there's a higher being out there certainly. But I genuinely doubt that it's any of the stupid shit that humanity has conceived.
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>>154227483
if you can reason about a thing according to a predetermined set of rules then you've limited to things behavior

the concept of omnipotence is incoherent, you can't believe in it and the idea that things can be proven logically at the same time
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>>154227732
t. David Hume
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>>154227088
They don't have to be "christian gods", as if there were more than one anyways.

I'm just saying that there should be something more fundamental that distinguishes a god from any fuckwit with magical powers.

Take 40k for example. The chaos gods aren't really that strong. Sure, they have a lot of power, but that power doesn't let them make a mockery of realspace. They're stuck in the warp, required to sup at the emotions of mortals to survive. Like psychic maggots. Most of their work is done through their followers, and despite their apparent intelligence, they're constricted by their very own chaotic nature, constantly infighting and doing everything inefficiently. Which is why chaos undivided is such a problem. But here's the thing. The chaos gods are actual transcendent entities.

They exist outside of reality, and cannot be killed by mundane means. They transcend time and space, as seen with slaanesh's retroactive existence. They also represent more than just themselves. They're living ideas. It doesn't matter what khorne is, or what he looks like, or what you call him, or even who he is. He's just the blood god, chaos god of violence and murder. You can no more be rid of him than you can be rid of violence itself. He's fundamental, and therefore, the highest kind of existence, yet extremely limited. But if khorne isn't a god, then nothing is.
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>>154228158
Except necrons could permanently shut the warp outside the material realm if they put their backs to it.
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>>154220954
Existence X is a low-mid bureaucrat in the hierarchy in charge of reincarnating people, also petty as hell, he's salaryman-tier in the divine hierarchy.
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>>154227616
logic makes a lot religious concepts impossible in principal so if you did encounter proof of them that would mean that all human sensory information and reasoning are unreliable and you would have no choice but to believe in random things

the "I think therefore I am" line is about how you need to have basic logic to be able to believe in anything at all but basic logic should tell you that omnipotence can't exist so a god can either remake logic to allow for its own omnipotence but as long as the universe has math in it the idea of an omnipotent being can't be believed in for any reason other than not thinking too hard about it
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Should I read the LN?
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>>154228212
Yeah, and chaos would be fucked. But khorne will still be a god. Until he starves anyways.
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>>154228245
So a higher-dimensional sarariman is angry about a lower-dimensional sarariman for being an asshole when he laid off a low-ranking same-dimensional sarariman?

It's sararimen all the way up. Like turtles.
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>>154228300
I would honestly love it if this turned out to be the case.
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>>154228158
there's a difference between "a god" and "god"

"a god" means there are multiple gods, with varying strengths and weaknesses, often they can even be killed and mortals can become gods etc.
it's a spectrum of godliness

"god" is the literal supreme being. no one else is in any way "god"

being X might be "a god", but he is not "god"
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>>154228322
Why did you arbitrarily define that if there are multiple gods, that they can be killed by mortals who then become gods?
Why can't they just be multiple immortal and unbeatable omnipotent beings doing their omnipotent things?
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>>154228398
Not that guy but he just said "often", not that it is necessarily the case.
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>>154228398

Because religion is poison and it's stupidity must be rooted out.
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>>154228158
nothing you just said sounds any different from "powerful wizards" at all

and saying Chrisitans have one god is weird considering the amount of bullshit that's going on

there's Michael who has the same powers as YHWH, then there are three dudes who are all one dude to say nothing of the esoteric stuff

basically modern chrsitianity is not the whole of christian mythology and no amount of retcon is going to make that time people worshiped christ's holy vagina go away
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The problem with a god in the religious sense is the concept of omnipotence itself.

By its mere definition, omnipotence cannot be contained nor understood within the confines of simple logic. You could say that by logic omnipotence is illogical. And it is in this incomprehensibility which completely contradicts the idea of these higher beings conforming to the qualities and level of sentience of man. They grasp this world and whatever unseen world they can see beyond on a scale we can never truly understand so by running them under the sights of our mortal lenses we essentially strip them down of what they really are.
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Isn't Being X just the incarnation of the Evil Genius that Descartes described in his cogito ergo sum ?
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>>154228398
Yeah, and you can actually have more than infinite power (nesting infinities within other infinities, to infinity). And contain infinity within a finite value (super tasks).

Further proof that infinity is a made up concept, but that's not really important right now.
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>>154228506
Nah he's Demiurge.
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>>154228497

> nothing you just said sounds any different from "powerful wizards" at all

Explain to me how a wizard can be like khorne then. Without becoming a part of khorne.
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>>154228587
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>>154220954
It's not 'God' just something with God like powers.
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>implying any of this is happening
salaryman is just lying in a coma dreaming
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>>154228506
cogito is just a term or phrase he used
he didn't describe an evil genius either, rather an evil demon
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>>154228498
God why is omnipotence so fucking stupid?
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>>154228681
>in b4 "but in his dream being X is God"-fags
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>>154228279
Yes, no, and maybe.
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>>154228587
>GYAHAHAH
>AT LAST I HAVE SUCCEED IN BECOMING A BEING OF PURE ENERGY
>NOW I SHALL SPREAD MYSELF ACROSS THE COSMOS!
>...and so he did

saying something is fundamental or an idea isn't saying anything other than someone has a relatively common power source
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>>154228681
>got hit by a fucking train
>coma
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>>154228746
Technically we are all just energy.
>2011
>believing in matter
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>>154228758
>got hit by a fucking train
he didn't get hit by a train
he was already in a coma by then, as evidenced by him talking to Being X
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>>154228726

Exactly.
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>>154228697
That's the same, I just did a shitty translation from French to English, the Evil Demon is called Malin Genie, which can be translated to evil genius
And the Cogito is the name of the thesis where he say we're all just mind, everything exterior to our mind can't be believed
Being X have control over everything except Tanya's mind, exactly like the evil demon, that's what I meant when I posted it, but I must admit I wasn't really clear
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>>154222414
The MC is very into western philosophy and probably is thinking western, monotheistic god when rejecting Being X, which also gels with how being x sees itself.
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>>154228838
He did, and you are a secondary.
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>>154222885
They had anti tank rifles and light cannons.
Cavalry charges at tanks is propaganda, mate.
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>>154220954
If a god can't convince someone that he's a god with a sound logical argument, then he's not fit to be called a god.

What sort of argument? Don't ask me, I'm not god.
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>>154220954
The issue isn't that Tanya refuses to acknowledge that Sonzai X isn't some nigh-omnipotent being that might as well be God. Rather, she refuses to acknowledge that he is some divine being that deserves to be revered and venerated just because he claims to be God.
Also, the fact that he has to go through so many hoops to try and get someone to have faith in him honestly makes him a pathetically incompetent cunt and thinking of someone such as him being the supreme God-creator of the universe is depressing rather than inspiring.
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>>154229922
Akuma desu.
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>>154222885
>Funny random trivia
Polish cavalrymen were drawing penises on German tanks with their sabers. They also used slingshots to snipe tank commanders lurking from their hatches.
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Reminder that civilians are a legitimate strategic target
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>>154220954
his logic behind it is that if he was to recognize/worship/give praise to said deity, then he would be empowering that deity.

by refusing to recognize said deity, he is trying to lessen the influence of it.


>>154220983
if you read it, the common belief among soldiers pictured is that the "god" of the battlefield is the heavy artillery.
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>>154230618
Well at that point artillery did kill most soldiers on the battlefield. Disease still killed more than artillery though.

>select all tiles with cat furniture
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>>154220954
The stupid fuck explains the upper limits and some of the parameters he works within.

The stupid fuck being Being X.

If Being X had identified itself as Abaddon or some shit none of you wound be calling him a Fedora tipper but rather a good Christian denying Satan.

All Tanya did was utilize Bayesian logic in order to deduce from the situation he found himself in that Being X was not god.

As simple as that.

Being X is no more God than Molecule Man is in Marvel.
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>>154222240
She showed herself also as a outstanding field officer. Adapting to situations and getting missions done. You can have the best strategy...without good field officers its worthless.
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>>154231123
The whole fedora meme is the stupidest shit that has been conceived in the recent years anyway. Because of that some people now get a kneejerk reaction when they see "god" being critiqued in any way, no matter if it's a fictional setting or not. When they see things like "being X isn't god, but only pretends to be" they don't think about it in the context of the show, in their mind it transforms into "god is only pretending to be god" and resort to posting le hat joke.jpg
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>>154226196
Oh no..
I would pick Cristianity or Islam any time compared to what Nationalism, Liberalism and Socialism had done to the world.
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>>154220954
>>Meets + talks to god face-to-face

Haha, your tricks have no use on me, Being X.
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>>154231613
There's literally nothing wrong with nationalism.
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>>154220954
Well, in the manga he believes he is the devil, or something like the devil.

Would make sense since the "god" from the manga seemed to be much more of a jerk than in the anime.
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>>154231613
All islamic countries are shit though while there are good countries based on nationalism and liberalism.
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>>154231293

>implying fedora fags are not being triggered by sonzai x ITT
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Come on you fags. How can you not respect a god that turns you into a little girl voiced by Aoi Yuuki.

Shit like that should be revered.
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>>154231986
Found the fedoraposter.
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>>154232048
The only reason I would worship being X, even if he wasn't omnipotent and else
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>>154232048
This, based sonzai X giving us battle lolis.
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>>154220954
>Atheists are retarded in anime.

Just like in real life.
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>>154225823
I think this was supposed to be a joke.
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>>154220954
If you were someone who doesn't believe in ghosts and you met one of them, would you instantly be convinced that they're real or think it's just someone pulling a prank on you?
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>>154231293
It's funny how people nowadays are so afraid of being labeled fedora worshippers that some of them became hardcore Christians.
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>>154226886
Fight me u heathen fedora bitch.
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>Tells his soldier to gun downs civilians because "They will make new soldiers later on"
Yeeeeeah and once news get out that you gunned down civilians then that wont make the other side hate you even more.
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>>154233109
It doesn't matter how much the other side hates you if they're all dead.

The problem is that breaking war law tends to damage relations with everyone in the world. NotGermany can't afford to wage war against eeeeeeeveryone.
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>>154220954
Stealing Pratchett's joke and using it unironically
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>>154223068
And your mom can be an ayyy lmao that installed vamipiric engines in xer/xis basement and is slowly converting your life energy into space fuel so xt can finally escape from Earth.
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>>154226462
>If Yahweh was lounging on my lawn sipping a rum and coke and says "Dude, I'm the one and only God, praise me" I'd call the cops on his divine ass unless he moved it off my lawn.
I laughed harder than I should have.
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>>154226578
OP used small letter "god" though. As he should seeing as kami can also mean powerful but not all-powerful deities (see shinto religion).
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>>154226974
>or just a powerful being.
That's what gods from non-monotheic religions are though. Haven't you seen people killing gods in your animu?
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>>154226930
Anta-wa馬鹿です、先輩。
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>>154227807
Japanese gods aren't omnipotent though. How new are all people posting in this thread?
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>>154220954
If it were God, why would he be so desperate to try and convince one single prick about how great he is? Because it's not God.
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>>154228027
It can be stupid to us only because we are too inferior to understand it.
>>154227807
It can only seem to be petty because we don't have the whole picture.

Though yeah I believe in a first mover who doesn't really care about us.
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>>154222414
that's like saying "Allah" is an Islamic concept
it's just the Arabic word for god, and Christians in Egypt or whatever still call christiangod Allah

Same idea for Kami in nip
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>>154236219
If he's God, I think he more than deserves a vacation by fucking with an atheist.
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>>154236219
What if it is the Abrahamic God, who itself never claimed that it was all-powerful and all-wise, and the claims were just from its followers?
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>>154226533
That's simply you thinking that your view of what a god is the only good one
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>>154236219
It's just some Shinto nobody who's desperate for followers
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>>154228998
I think you may be retarded. Even niggers should be able to understand his theory/joke.
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>>154229922
>Rather, she refuses to acknowledge that he is some divine being that deserves to be revered and venerated just because he claims to be God.
Exactly, I dropped it after 3 eps, but iirc she says mitomeru, so it may be something like people who know Trump resides in the white hows, but don't want to acknowledge him.
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>>154222885
Nice alternative history you have here.
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>>154230479
>legitimate
Depending on definition. Logically (in some situations) it's not a bad idea to attack them to gain upper hand. Ethically, most people agree that it's morally corrupt.
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>>154227183
>every complex imaginable
>lolita complex is a a complex
>he is now a loli
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>>154236219
>powerful magical being shows up when you die
>reincarnates you into a magical loli
>"hey fuckass you better start worshiping me or im not reincarnating you again next time and you'll die permanently"
you saying you wouldn't?
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>>154220954
he didn't deny Being X is a god. he denied the Being X is God. infact he insinuated that Being X is infact the Devil. which Being X pretty much is.
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>tanya will kill beingX
>but BeingX has a important role in the reincarnation cycle
>Tanya is forced in to the role
>Tanya is now a "god"
>thats why in the LN there are no records of here
>because the people who where there to see it happening still cant grasp their minds around what happend.
>therefore they decided to cover up the whole thing.

everybody who dies will be at the mercy of a salaryman in the body of a loli god.
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>he doesn't worship Being X as the one true god
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>>154234605
>It doesn't matter how much the other side hates you if they're all dead.
But people hating them for doing this will be more numerous than people hating them if they showed some mercy.
Nothing irritates me more than making stupid edgy decisions, because "muh (flawed) logic". It's so rarely that author knows that carrot + stick always works the best.
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>>154236219
>desperate
Maybe he's just playing with an ant because why not?
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>>154236857
Tanya would do a better job at being god than Being X could.
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>>154236318
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kami
Though yeah it can also mean any superior being. Just like God and god (but without the easy G vs g differentiation. Wait until you get deeper into buddhism, the same term can have a bazillion meanings there, that's where shit gets really silly.
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>>154231613

There is no contradiction between christianity and nationalism.
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>>154236905
The Empire has officially warned the citizens of the town three times, which means that officially, there are no innocent citizens in the town anymore, only partisans, and it has recorded proof that the partisans are executing prisoners.

By the letter of the law, the international community has nothing to condone the Empire for, which is what matters a lot to the Empire, because that means that its enemies cannot justify their invasions into the Empire as trying to stop the Empire from committing war crimes.

Of course, a quick analysis will show that the citizens would have never had enough time anyway to evacuate that quickly, and after the war's over, there will be Hell for it to anyone who ordered the purging of that town.

But it's the now that counts the most, and getting rid of all those partisans and their family members so that they won't harbor feelings of vengeance and become a thorn to the vulnerable underside of the Empire will ensure that the plan of the Republic to make a long drawn-out war will fail.
Nothing is more dangerous than people who have nothing more to lose, and would just want to see you dead, even at the cost of their own life.

Fortunately for the Empire, Tanya lived a former life, and can offer a solution, even if it is dirty and definitely against the spirit of the law.
But then again, it's war, and everyone's going to use every advantage to win it.
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>>154236857

Sounds a lot like madoka
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>>154237384
>that officially, there are no innocent citizens
Doesn't matter. People will still sympathise with them. Creating martyrs is never a good idea. Best would be to crush their spirits as quick as you can and then awe everyone with your mercy and humanitarianism.
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>>154237384
>Of course, a quick analysis will show that the citizens would have never had enough time anyway to evacuate that quickly, and after the war's over, there will be Hell for it to anyone who ordered the purging of that town.
If it's so obvious, enemies can use it against you in propaganda war. Pretty shitty decision.
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>>154220954
>not realizing there are in fact people that willfully stupid

Do you even mankind?
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>>154237091
Buddhism is just about taking it easy, man.
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>>154237445
Madoka is a good example of a god-like existence that isn't a god, just like Being X.
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>>154237384
>But it's the now that counts the most, and getting rid of all those partisans and their family members so that they won't harbor feelings of vengeance and become a thorn to the vulnerable underside of the Empire will ensure that the plan of the Republic to make a long drawn-out war will fail.
Except now all their relatives who lived elsewhere will hate Empire and if you just precision bombed a few places you could get them to give up while killing only a few people thus creating almost no future enemies. Hell Tanya seems so OP that dropping amidst them and just giving a few dozen of them non-fatal gunshot wounds would be enough to break such rabble. Are you 18 yo edgy kid who prefers violence to superior solutions or what?
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>>154237549
The Empire's diplomats can and will show that they dindu nuffing wrong and totally held up to international war laws. That's what matters.
So the other nations will have to keep making covert operations, send "volunteers" or supply their allies indirectly, instead of officially entering the war fully on their side and just crush the Empire through numerical superiority.
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>>154233109
>>154234605
>>154236905

Actually to make a real life comparison, when Germany made their first tank rush against France (I don't remember what specific place, it was very risky mission where they drove the long way through some forest and got away with it, look it up if you want to know) they had the chance to wipe out the brittish, but Hitler choose to let them escape. The very same people later came back as part of the elite forces that led the attack on D-day. Historians are pretty much in agreement that this mercy of Hitler was a very bad decision strategically.

tl:dr
Tanya did the right thing.

Also being X already turned everyone against her, so better just kill as many as possible. There's no risking to create more enemies when you're up against the entire world already.
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>>154237569
Depends which sect.
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>>154237710
Nah man law doesn't matter all that much, you can also appeal to the basic feelings of your citizens/other countries. Making up excuses is way easier than you think. You don't need a real reason to shape enemy's image.
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>>154237384

The old president of Syria used this same method to get rid of the muslim brotherhood in the 70s (or early 80s?). One month artillery bombardment until nothing was left, an entire city erased from the map. It worked wonders, the muslim brotherhood still has no power in Syria, and the international community didn't care.
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>>154237709
There's a 50% chance that it will also just demoralize the civilians into giving up from becoming partisans when they learn that the Empire's quite willing to raze entire towns with their inhabitants if it's more convenient for them than to keep a garrison back to control the area.
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>>154237745
>part of the elite forces that led the attack on D-day. Historians are pretty much in agreement that this mercy of Hitler was a very bad decision strategically.
Nice bullshit, by this time Germans were already beaten. Even if the troops made a difference on this front, Russians would whittle them down sooner or later. Also not showing mercy would probably inflate allies' ranks with more volunteers than you killed more likely than not.
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>>154237091

There is no concept of god in Buddhism. Buddha himself said that the question about the universe and the god is irrelevant in the path to get away from suffering. So in a sense, Buddhism is an atheistic religion. Kinda weird.
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>>154237928
Yeah, it leads to a more guerilla based combat where you don't even know who to retaliate against.
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>>154237995
>reading comprehension
"The same term" as in "one term'
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>>154237868
>Nobody cares when 34123th warlord kills people in Africa.
Really makes you think.
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>>154238067

Just to be clear, shinto and the teaching of Buddha has a lot of differences.
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>>154238014
Not anymore, if they're all dead.
After all, thanks to Tanya, the Empire found a loophole to ensure that its soldiers are allowed to shoot everyone dead, no matter if they're in uniform or not without breaking international laws.
It's really important to keep up the law.
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>>154238141
Just to be clear, it was just a digression, because first part of my comment reminded my of how many definitions some Buddhist terms have.
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>>154237868
>One month artillery bombardment until nothing was left, an entire city erased from the map. It worked wonders

Damn. Why didn't this happen more? Why didn't Russia just bombed the shit out of Georgia back in the days? Why didn't the Americans flatten the entire Iraq?
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>>154238194
>Not anymore, if they're all dead.
1)Kill a few (or none, using Tanya's power and precision) people and make at most a few sworn enemies
2)Obliterate a whole town and make sworn enemies of all relatives of a whole town (and potentially create a powerful guerilla force of unrelated people if public opinion gets manipulated enough)
Choose wisely.
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>>154238219

Yeah, I totally get that. Just pointing it out. And in the east, at least the place that is not infested by Abrahamic religions, the concept of god is kinda similar to ancient Rome/Greece's plus they believe in the divinity of sky (Chinese concept). Gods are not omnipotent like the Abrahamic Gods.
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>>154238325

Which is why legitimacy of the action is important, and Tanya provided the legitimacy.
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>>154226745
You know the reason why he calls him Sonzai X is because the doesn't believe he's either god or the devil
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>>154238325
Tanya hates fighting in an urban area full of hiding places for the enemy.
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>>154237967

Yeah, you know I'm not so sure. Nazism and fascism is on the rise again, WW2 was a huge propaganda victory, it really made an impression that lasts. The Axis also won the body count. It would have looked even better with those brittish taken down.
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>>154238226
Better question yet why no one started nuclear war yet? There must be at least one decent person out there.
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>>154238396
Why not go with option 1 though? What do you lose? It only happened because author wanted to show how ruthless she is but couldn't think of a sensible scenario.
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>>154220954
japs do not take religion seriously
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>>154227732
Math says hi
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>>154238419

Because you can't prevent a retaliation? If a country somehow invented a perfect missile shield, I bet you that it will 100% willing to use ICBM on another nuclear power.
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>>154238411
Seems less dangerous than landing amidst a legitimate army.
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>>154238506
I hope you are joking.
>>154238506
>If a country somehow invented a perfect missile shield, I bet you that it will 100% willing to use ICBM on another nuclear power.
>not using planet buster on Earth
Filthy casuls.
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>>154238477

Well, technically they did go for option 1. They issued an evacuation and gave the civilian time to evacuate before they bombed the shit out of the town. They are just dumb not to evacuate. You can always return to the town if you want to, but there is only 1 life for one person. But no, ignoring the warning and stay is the best choice amirite?
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>>154238588
>not using planet buster on Earth
>using weapon that can kill yourself

A rope is enough, mate. You don't need nuclear for that. I can even donate you a rope if you really want to do it.
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>>154238502
>we are tricking ourself into thinking we are doing some proofs, but we make crucial logic mistakes
I guess he meant something like this.
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>>154238658
Nah, I want us all to go together.
Brb making death star.
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>>154238607
It's obviously retarded, but making martyrs just because some people are retarded is how regimes fall.
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>>154238535
A legitimate army is one that she can shell with her artillery spells without impunity until they surrender.

Fighting in a town where she has to first check if that guy in civilian clothes is just a normal harmless civilian (do not kill, it's forbidden) or a partisan (can be killed, it's okay) who wants to kill her is a fucking nuisance that could actually kill her in the end.

The trick was to officially turn all the civilians into partisans.
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>>154225921
Yep, have you ever seen something that can do everything? There is not anything in the world that can do everything.
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>>154238419
Every nuclear launch site is not actually functional. If you threw the switches, it wouldn't do anything except signal for the men in black to come in and erase you because you know the secret. There is literally NO situation where launching an ICBM provides any sort of benefit to anyone.
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>>154238754
Remember when she landed amidst HQ and stopped all bullets with ease? Do you even shock and awe? Breaking civilians with psychological warfare would be so laughably easy.
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>>154238733

They are not martyrs. They are militias and belligerents by definition. You have to understand that the law is stated that way and Tanya had the evidence that they are targeting combat units. Due to that, resentment and vengeance wouldn't be as strong as it would otherwise while you actually wipe out any possible resistance in the town cleanly. It is the most efficient way to do things.
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>>154238477
Pretty sure that the whole purpose of the operation is to quickly restore the logistics network though the city. It was mentioned that it was supplying the Empire's battle and the Republic mages wanted to hold it as long as possible to aid their own side. If you just raze the entire city to the ground there is no longer any possibility of a resistance in the area.
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>>154238660
I suppose that's technically an argument you could make but at that point you're denying any sort of coherence in the human thought process and might as well say we're on the same level as vegetables.
Which is a legitimate position but not one most would subscribe to.

Personally I think challenging the claim that when I say "All elements of set A satisfy B, therefor if x is an element of set A, x satisfies B" it's fundamentally true, is so far removed from anything remotely close to useful/practical/purposeful that it's not worthy of consideration.
Sure, you can say that humans just can't actually reason, but at that point you shut off everything, all arguments and logic, and then you're done, that's it, you've "solved" philosophy, it's useless because our minds are flawed and not trustworthy at all.
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>>154238840

One might said that humanity owning nuclear weapon is actually a hoax invented by the big government to fool the common people.
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>>154238882
>bombardment kills children that had nothing to do with it
>in a world that didn't have a big conflict for a few decades
Man do you know how easy it is to make civvies lose their shit?
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>>154220954
But she never met or talked to God. Sonzai X isn't a God, he's a demon, learn the difference.
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It's not a question of being atheist or not, it's a question of stubborness and mindset. Salaryman is borderline sociopath, he will never admit fault in his way of thinking unless he himself acknowledges fault. After all the shit Being X has put him/her through now, that simply is not going to happen. Tanya wants revenge at all cost and admitting that she was wrong and worshipping Being X would be the exact opposite of revenge. Being X could've accomplished what he wanted if he had just saved him from the train in the first place.
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>>154238861
The one against the Dakians who were fighting in the open field, had no anti-air defenses and not even machine guns to weaken the mage shields?
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>>154238893
>I suppose that's technically an argument you could make but at that point you're denying any sort of coherence in the human thought process and might as well say we're on the same level as vegetables.
Don't go to far, see it like a child that makes some mistakes in its reasoning.
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Being X is actually Ains-sama
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>>154220954
If they ever do an english dub, I would hope that being x was voiced by John De Lancie
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>>154238893
Yeah but it's a pretty abstract idea, comment chain started with proving god.
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>>154239023
But once you argue that there are faults in our reasoning imperceptible to humans, then you(by human reasoning at least) necessitate that we also can't confidently assert just how deep and wide these mistakes go, so they might as well be omnipresent and self-contradictory all the time.
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>>154220954
>Mc has free will
>MC meets X
>still has free will
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>>154238968
>>bombardment kills children that had nothing to do with it
>>in a world that didn't have a big conflict for a few decades
>Man do you know how easy it is to make civvies lose their shit?

Just cover it up. People will be outrage if they know children are harmed, but are totally ok when they don't know about it. Real life example are the Aleppo propaganda using staged children and create and outrage while in contrast people are actually ok with the UK pedophilic grooming gang by middle eastern men because they are not informed about it.

Also the Empire can actually make a reverse propaganda on how the republic are harming the children if Tanya manage to get a footage of it.
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>>154238888
>cow them
>confiscate weapons
>put under surveillance in camps/leave alone depending on the projected chance they try something funny.
You can have traffic flowing through quicker that it takes for a city to burn out.
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>>154238968
Obviously that kid who got blown up and burned to death was part of the militia. Why else did he stay there in a combat zone?
Might have been a wizard kid like Tanya or Visha after all.
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>>154239078
Yeah, but it's all on the level of "maybe it's all a simulation" AKA don't worry about it.
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>>154239116
>free will
>existing
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>>154239245

It is closed system free will does indeed exist. However, in the context of entire universe, everything is predetermined, so free will does not exist.

Hence, free will exists or not is totally depend on the context.
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>>154238968
Claim the other side is using children in their war efforts. Children are being used as human shields. Claim child soldiers being deployed. Demonize the other side for not securing the safety and welfare of their citizens by surrendering or desisting their opposition. Offer refuge and security to the displaced.
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>>154239172
The trick to being an effective partisan is to of course hide the weapons so that the enemy can't find them that easily and to hide among civilians.
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>>154239233
Well if it's on the level of "don't worry about it" then we may as well assume that our logic isn't fundamentally flawed in such an undetectable way and work based off that, in which case, things can be proven, yes, though mostly, it's more an assertion of consequences of our definitions/axioms what we call "proving something".
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>>154239162
>>154239187
Obviously you can try to work with this situation, you may even succeed. But still, people talk and if it does get out you are fucked. You can even have wide spread rebellions among your own troops.
I just think that an iron fist in a velvet glove approach works best. Why be edgy when you can achieve the same end while seeming merciful? That's how the best tyrants/governments do it.
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>>154239245
If being X is really an omniscient being he is also confined to the entirety of his own system and the metaphysical context deciding the factors of that system.
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>>154239245
Take your dindu religion somewhere else, child.
> he dindu nuffin wrong!
> They made him do it!
> His actions were predetermined!
> He didn't MEAN to!
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>>154220954
Would you worship a dude just becuse he is proven to exist?
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>>154239407
Soldiers are willing to commit war crimes as long as they're told by their superior officers that they're not doing war crimes, or that the orders came from above, which means that the higher-ups know what they're doing.
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>>154239546
I believe in you, Anon X!
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>>154239546
proven to exist and has the powers to stop time, reincarnate you into a loli, explode you to death with a magic jewel (if you don't pray to him before using it),...
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>>154239407

Again, nothing is edgy here. An evacuation is issued. Think about it, who will remain in the city other than the ones that are preparing to resist? For normal citizens, do you think that they put their belongings and sense of attachment to the town above their lives? Any outsider would consider bombardment after evacuation a fair game.
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>>154239604
All excellent reasons to tell the dude to go fuck himself.

I wonder how many saps would worship a powerful being just because he exists
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>>154239575
Unknown to Anonymous, Anon X is secretly Rex, the older brother of Speed Racer, who ran away from home years ago.
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>>154222754
>I always found it interesting that people assume that if a superior being exists it MUST be worshipped.
Because that is what they are taught from birth. And the reason they are taught that, is because it makes it easier for kings and politicians to give such people orders. Basically, if you obey a deity because he is powerful, then you will also obey your country's leader because they are more powerful than you. It is easier for those in power to have weaker people automatically obeying, without needing to use force.
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>>154222754
Probably some pattern breaking that allows for low level hypnosis in people.
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>>154239880
> Pattern breaking
It's nothing quite so complicated, anon. Infants imprint on their parents and children are attached to their parents because that's the quickest natural way to learn how to survive.
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>>154222249
Because as a orphan you don't have much choice, better a high-ranking military officer than a fucking nobody.
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>>154220954
She seems like an anti-theist.
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>>154239551
Often some faggots get sad and report it though.
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>>154239551
So if this being X has given tanya the power to genocide, then whos at fault here?
Cmon she kills while pretending to pray.
This god is super retarded and vengative.
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>>154240094

>Implying god must be kind

Monotheism is truly a cancer that can cause brain atrophy.
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>>154239664
>worship
>he does nothing/something with his powers

>tip fedora
>he does nothing/fucks you up/is retarded so gives you magic powers and makes you a cute loli

I wouldn't risk it to be honest, but only because I'd rather be a cute trap.
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>>154240094
All part of god's plan to get more people to worship his name. Create the devil yourself and people will flock to you.
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>>154240182
Paying lip service =/= worship tho.
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>>154240091
You can dissuade such things by keeping high moral and enforcing a sense of belonging and brotherhood within your military forces. When your officers are people you have trained with and depended on it's hard to break that feeling of loyalty.

Also you need to foster an environment where snitches get stitches.

You also punish the snitch as the one claiming responsibility of the war crimes as an individual.
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>>154240230
X is so weak and knows so little that it would probably work in this case, though you are correct in general.
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The premise of dire straits results in faith is flawed due to the show starting with the MC mere moments before his death meeting X. MC was going to die and he still didn't bend or yield and instead chastised X.
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>>154240230
I only meant that whatever you may think about such people, it seems highly probable that they would fare way better.
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>>154240274
Why is the dude so retarded? Isn't he at least as old as humanity?
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>>154240349
>Nips in charge of a coherent plot
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>>154240327
Well to be fair X basically waited for salary-kun to die before giving a fuck.
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>>154220954
She knows he's real she just doesn't like him.
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>>154222240
>a being with such amazing powers is not proof of a god
>Retard typing words without understanding what he wrote
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>>154240160
I never implied there was only one god nor that he must be benevolent. I'm just saying being X does not hold the moral high ground.

>>154240210
So he needs worshippers? Then he is not much of a god.

>not good
> not god
Tanya is right
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Be careful assigning motivations to Sonzai X, since in the anime it's fair game that his thought pattern is different from the LN.

From his appearances,

Episode 2: Sonzai X wants salaryman to develop faith, so reincarnates him in a shit world
Episode 3: Sonzai X is irritated Tanya is atheist and curses her in an attempt to force faith
Episode 6: Sonzai X taunts Tanya about starting a World War, confirming his involvement in accelerating the enemy
Episode 8: Sonzai X saves Anson Sue, and gives him a blessing

Anson notably prayed to God in Episode 8, so his blessing could merely be a reward for faith and not necessarily to spite Tanya. But otherwise, the first two appearances by Sonzai X are consistent, and the second two are consistent, but neither pair is with each other. The first two he is trying to keep Tanya alive until she develops faith, and the second two appear to be conspiring to kill her.

Could be a different being. I wouldn't assume too much.
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> Rejects religion
> Becomes religious icon
The bullying levels are off the charts!
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>>154220977
Conversely not every god has to be an omnipotent being.

Pantheism > Monotheism
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>>154240460
>I'm just saying being X does not hold the moral high ground.

I don't remember he claimed to have the moral highground himself. He just want Tanya to worship him. You don't need to be a moral god to be worshiped.
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>>154240609
> ignoring the fact that there is a war down there nd deads are counted by millions.
GJ sonzai X. Its all for one dudes faith sake.
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>>154240654
see: the aztecs whose crazy gods were gonna destroy the world or stop the sun from rising or some shit if they didn't get regular blood sacrifices
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>>154240396
>implying it's unique to the Nips
A good chunk of deities from any religion you can name are terribly written, making them seem functionally retarded. They also tend to have all the self-control of a 3 year old kid, which apparently was rather typical for our ancestors.
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>>154240460
Not sure about the actual motivations behind Being X but he didn't like that the world lacked faith. I could take a guess though, one would be that gods get their power and influence through the faith of their people. The other is just that Being X sees the lack of faith as the downfall of humanity and wants to save them no matter the cost. If he can successfully convert Tanya then anyone else should be a piece of cake.
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>>154240739
It was a more general shitting on Nip plots, not contained to incorporating deities into them.
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I guess you could say Being X is out to fuck the Salaryman.
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>>154240697
Sound alot like "hey abraham, kill your son now or else"
> goes to kill son
It was a joke, man, cmon
> Abrahamic religions based on cosmic prankster
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>>154240786
>didn't like that the world lacked faith
He said in ep1 that it was of no use to reincarnate faithless humans.
But to begin with, faith in a fake god that allows evil is of no use.
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You all are missing the point and the purpose for Tanya's existence: To spread faith in god.
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>>154222400
ant ant use an what
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>>154240821

>Just a prank bro
>Cain: Why the fuck do you accept my brother Abel's sacrifice but not mine?
>God: Just because. Get over it m8.
>Cain: I'll show you.
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>>154240821

To be fair, the Old Testament portrayal of god is closer to the pagan religions of a human-like entity than the New Testament version. That's because, surprise, Yahweh was just one of many gods who the neolithic Israelites prayed to before being promoted to a single monotheistic god.

The New Testament God is closer to an all-powerful, faceless deus ex machina because Jesus embodies all those human qualities. The New Testament author found a way to depict both the omnipotent, omniscient formless being and the flawed, emotional human side.

The muslims took it a step further by just removing Jesus from the equation, leaving them with the formless, all-powerful God who you could not ascribe human qualities too (which is blasphemous in Islam). That's why all muslim decorations are abstract designs.
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>>154220954
Japs just don't understand God.
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>>154240925
> faith
You must mean lead
> tfw 600k murdered thanks to gods "blessing"
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>>154241067
Which one?
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>>154241025

>Monotheism
>The more advance it gets the more cancerous it becomes

Abrahamic religions were a mistake.
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>>154240925
It's more that Being X wants to test the sarariman's claim that there's no need to be faithful and pray to gods if life is good and peaceful, science is advanced, and all basic needs are taken care off.

So he made the sarariman into a weak little girl who has to fight for her life in a world that is on the verge of its first great world war, where something as illogical as magic exists alongside science and technology.
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>>154241121
Perhaps the Holy Spirit.
Or perhaps the Father?
Or perhaps the Son?

Man, this trinity stuff is kinda confusing. But also kinda cool in a weird symbolic way.
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>>154220976
why people watch a anime about a trans loli
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>>154241070
In 1950, church going grew exponentially following WW2 though. Life being extreme shit seems to make people more religious.
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>>154241154
>all basic needs are taken care off.
Maybe in Japan. What about Africa and South America?
> life is good and peaceful
Meanwhile in the middle east...
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>>154241259

Japan is the territory of being X. Africa and other places belongs to other gods.
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>>154241259
>What about Africa and South America?
What about them. The story doesn't take place there.
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>>154241134
>The more advance it gets the more cancerous it becomes

Arguably not Christianity. By virtue of having a peaceful text, not antiquity's version of Starship Troopers, christians are less violent and intolerant than Jews and Muslims.

Though, arguably the trinity is polytheism, and is regarded so by Jews and Muslims, so you may be on to something.
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>>154241603
>Though, arguably the trinity is polytheism, and is regarded so by Jews and Muslims, so you may be on to something.
The only reason Trinity exists is to stop followers of Christ from splitting off from worshipping his dad, who is a dickhead and asshole. The entire concept isn't meant to make sense, it is just "You need to worship the old testament god even though he is a bad person! Just assume he and Jesus are one and the same!"
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>>154241603
>having a peaceful text
> a text
implying the text is coherent and the narrative makes sense.
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>>154241191

You aren't supposed to understand the Trinity. You're just supposed to accept it. That's why concepts like the Trinity, resurrection are called "mysteries", because God ain't gotta explain shit. He's merely being graceful by telling you how things are, just accept it.
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>>154241741

The narrative DOES make sense, the Gospel of Mark leaves out a lot of the explicitly supernatural parts of the Bible, and constantly questions the reader as to whether they believe if the miracles depicted are actually real or not.

Jesus isn't alive at the end of Mark, the cave is open, it's left up to interpretation.

It's just that Matthew - which is like taking a script and going Michael Bay on the adaption - is the canonical gospel and has all the contradictory passages.
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>>154241744
>You aren't supposed to understand the Trinity. You're just supposed to accept it.
That's the trap. You are not suppose to "understand" it, it is much more helpful to know WHY Trinity exists.

And it exists, as I said in >>154241715, to stop people abandoning father of Jesus entirely and just worship the son. There were plenty of people who did this early on in the history of the religion, and Trinity was meant to put a stop to it. No god made it true, Trinity was a human creation to stop Christianity splitting in half.
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>>154241838

Nah. Those scriptures are being selected and compiled over the centuries. I take Bible just like any other religious texts, with a huge grain of salt. Some stories are indeed interesting but should not be taken literally. Also monotheism still is cancer.
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>>154241980
>Those scriptures are being selected and compiled over the centuries.

Mark is the original Biblical text. The other three gospels are actually rewrites of it. Revelations is a bullshit fake gospel written by Judea's version of L. Ron Hubbard.

You'll find that Christians generally dislike Mark, but scholars love it, because Mark has less magic and more philosophy. But Christians love the magic part of the Bible like it's a goddamn shounen manga.
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It is disrespectful to use your superior officer for masturbation porpuses ?
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>>154241603
Did you somehow miss the entire last millennium in Europe? The Thirty Years' War alone killed over 30% of the population in some countries. Bohemia, for example, lost a third of its entire population and pretty much all nobility just because they happened to dislike the Catholic Church.

Christianity only lost its murder boner after the Enlightenment took hold and even then it took a while.
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>>154240801
sauce?
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>>154225301
He did want to make him suffer, which is why he was reincarnated as an orphan in a country that would inevitably throw her into an industrialized meat grinder. As Tanya he just rose above it and worked the system to his advantage.

If he was reborn as a Middle Eastern loli, he'd probably do the same and become handmaid to a powerful Queen-Mother of a large harem, an independent merchant, or even a religious teacher or mystic for extra irony.
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>>154242230
You shouldn't. It makes her cry!
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>>154242153

They like it because of the relative greater historical accuracy, not because of it spirituality.
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>>154241070
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>>154242534
>They like it because of the relative greater historical accuracy, not because of it spirituality.
How can you have spirituality without accuracy? Are you saying the more you believe in lies, the more spiritual it gets?
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>>154223859
Satan is just adversary. We are all our own adversary.
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>>154242597

But having accuracy doesn't mean it has more spirituality. If accuracy means spirituality might as well make an accurate history textbook as your holy scripture.
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>>154240697
Biblical god's desire is a life of dedication, and your reward is to worship it for eternity later. At least in Aztec myth you can have fun and enjoy paradise with friends and family in, say Tlalocan. Norse gods also offer fun and food with friends.
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>>154243884
The invulnerable, immortal body and full understanding of the universe also sweetens the deal.
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>>154242153
Mark is indeed more sensible than the rest, but it's also the Gospel most Christians and priests try their best to ignore. It's absolute pretty telling that the later written endings to it both try to bolt on more magic.
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>>154242767
But if the source of your spirituality is bullshit, then why should you care what it says? Why not choose a random novel with a good moral message and base your spiritual beliefs on that instead?
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Holy shit, you atheists are retarded.
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>>154244621
Nice argument.
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>>154244708
Wasn't meant to be an argument, retard.
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>>154220954

God is Being itself; the source of all creation.

Atheists believe that life can exist without an ultimate source; meaning their theories are baseless and life is forfeit.

Seems fitting for a dictator
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>>154244757
Nice rebuttal
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>>154243884
And to be fair to the Aztec gods, the sun does rise every morning, so they seemed pretty reliable in this regard. Meanwhile, with Yahweh it's all mysterious ways and "it's just a prank, bro".
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>>154244708
It's called opinion.
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>>154244778
>Atheists believe that life can exist without an ultimate source
This is false.
Equivocating the ultimate source of all life to some magic sky genie because you're afraid of being alone with your thoughts is the big rub.
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>>154244368
*also
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>>154244906
>because you're afraid of being alone with your thoughts
Nice assumption.
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>>154244906
Out of curiosity, do atheists handwave the first mover or how do they deal with it?
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>>154244906

> material existence is explanatory in and of itself

you create your own miracles
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>>154223931
Yeah, because you have no god powers.
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>>154244708
Look up the definition of the word.
An argument why atheists aren't all that smart is that they claim to be unable to believe in god without a proof, but they believe in lack of god without a proof.
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>>154245040
What is a first mover?
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>>154245208
I guess it's called prime mover in English.
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>>154220954

Being X is an unexplained phenomenon that is, in the age of the death of the salaryman, most likely impossible to explain given the technology available. Lightning was an unexplained phenomenon to our ancestors for many thousands of years, which they couldn't explain using the technology available to them and so they called it "god" but once we achieved the level of technology needed to explain lightning, it suddenly no longer was considered "god". Moral is, just because you can't immediately explain something, doesn't mean you should jump the gun and start deifying it.
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>>154245287

Go look up the order of chemical interactions that 'lead to life'. Basically if there is water present, slow interaction between water and other compounds will eventually lead to longer and more complex molecules being formed, protein etc all the way to single cells. The true magic and mystery lies in consciousness, we're a giant ball of cells (with some parasites/symbiotic's along for the ride), yet we're controlled by what we view as the single consciousness.
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>>154245040
How do monotheists explain the first mover? If an omnipotent god created the universe then you aren't "solving" the first mover problem, you're just moving it further back -- how did god come to exist?
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>>154239068
>SONZAIIII QUUUU
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>>154244778 #
>Atheists believe that life can exist without an ultimate source
if we can assume the so called "ultimate source" can exist without a source itself then according to "occam’s razors" there 's no reason why life can't exist without one.

also, even if there was an "ultimate source" there's absolutely no reason for you to beLIEve it's a being that has a will or intelligent.

That's just way too many assumptions.
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>>154220977
Nah if you're literally omnipotent you have to be a god.

You don't have to be ominpotent to be a god though
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>>154245447
No, it's more basic than that, go re read it.
>>154245464
I think it's because God is not bound by cause-effect, while universe is, though I never got into it.
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>>154245206
It's called Russell's Teapot. Absence is the default state, presence needs to be proved.
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>>154245464
Super negativity, of course.
There was so much nothing that the nothing ceased to be.
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>>154245492

> the universe is causal
> matter is contingent

seems a big assumption to believe it can exist of its own accord
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>>154220954
>That isn't really a god, it's just a really powerful alien that uses hyper advanced technology to impersonate a god.
Of course if it insists, I'll call it God, cause I'm not about to piss something like that off, but that doesn't mean I'll believe it to actually be a god.
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>>154245040
Part of the point of being nonreligious is accepting that sometimes you just don't know things yet, and you don't absolutely have to have an explanation right now.

Feeling the need to come up with an explanation for everything and then stick to that explanation even if you have no evidence for it is what leads to things like "that volcano must have erupted because the volcano god is angry, let's sacrifice some virgins to appease it"
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>>154244613
>But if the source of your spirituality is bullshit, then why should you care what it says? Why not choose a random novel with a good moral message and base your spiritual beliefs on that instead?
Why do you think Pokemon, Harry Potter etc get attacked by Christians? Because they are COMPETING sources of spirituality. Stories trying to teach people about how to be good.
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>>154245599
>person A makes a hypotheses stating X which nobody can prove
>because of the fact nobody can prove it, person B makes a hypotheses stating that X is false
Both bring nothing into our lives (apart from maybe a direction of research if it seems viable), but the second is just plainly derivative.
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>>154245812
>pokemon and harry potter are sources of spirituality
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>>154245628
It's an equally big assumption to claim that you know what caused the universe, or if it had a cause in the first place.

The fundamental problem we have here is that we have no information, and cannot have any information, from outside the universe or from before the universe exist, so to make assumptions on that based on the conditions inside of the universe is foolhardy.
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>>154245628
>seems a big assumption to believe it can exist of its own accord
Here is the issue with your argument; if there is no existence, then there would be no one to wonder how it existed. So there is nothing magical about existing, because it is a requirement for there to be any questions asked at all. And once you know that probably of existing is 100%, there is nothing magical about it anymore.

There could be a near infinite cases of the world not existing. But since there are no one around to complain about not existing, we only know of our example.


The "Miracle of Life" is not miraculous at all. We just don't get to see the failures.
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>>154245747
>nonreligious
Different from atheism, but I agree.
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>>154245540
>God is not bound by cause-effect, while universe is, though I never got into it.
>>154245538
>Nah if you're literally omnipotent you have to be a god

Again, just assumption and groundless self serving definition.

>>154245628
Not as much as believing that a being with a will and intelligent which exist out of no where somehow purposefully created it.
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>>154245884
>>pokemon and harry potter are sources of spirituality
You joke, but there is a reason they got accused of Satanism. If Satan isn't spiritual I don't know what is.
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>>154245995
> We don't get to see the failures
Mercury, Venus, Moon, Mars, Asteroid Belt, Sol, etc.etc.
There's plenty of non living space to check out, anon.
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>>154246035
>assumption
Nice truism when talking about Gods.
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>>154246035
>being with a will and intelligent which exist out of no where somehow purposefully created it

the distinction being that this entity is not governed by known laws while our universe is

the sin of ommitence is much bigger than that of addition.
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>>154245464
They don't. First you claim that everything needs a cause, and that the initial cause of everything is God.
But then God needs a cause, but he doesn't need one because he's God.
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>>154246138
>the distinction being that this entity is not governed by known laws while our universe is
>the sin of ommitence is much bigger than that of addition.
Once again, you are trying to distract us with HOW the universe is created, but you avoid entirely on the big "why".

And the "why" is "Why do we need to worship anything at all?"

There is no link between a powerful creator, and the act of worship. They are unrelated things. That is what Youjo Senki is pointing out. That people in her world pray not because there is a god, but pecuse they are suffering. Worshipping isn't due to a deity existing, worshipping is a cry for help. It has nothing to do with deities or the nature of existence.

It doesn't matter if there was a deity, or if the deity created everything. That still doesn't mean anyone had any reason to "worship".
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>>154245850
Except that person B's hypothesis is the fundamental principal of both human observation and science.
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>>154246291
>principal
>God not existing is the fundamental principle of human observation and science
Are you trying to shitpost or what.
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>>154246404
It's standard retard logic.

Science doesn't investigate God. It investigates the creations of God IE everything on the material plane. If the rules change then the point of science is to keep up.
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>>154246043
>but there is a reason they got accused of Satanism
Because one involves using magical animals to fight other magical animals and the other involves witchcraft. Some people are too stupid to tell fact from fiction, and of those some are preachers. You'll note that the vast majority of christians have no issue with either, because they're not complete fuckwits.
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>>154246279

I thought the question of why isnt important to atheists? It is the eternal struggle of humanity.

If God is Life, then our Universe is death.

That is what defines them.

To wallow in death an not seek life is a fools errand. End it quick or seek absolution.
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>>154246404
No the idea that something isn't correct or doesn't exist until it is proven is the fundamental principle of science and human observation. Unless something is proven to be true you assume it's false until presented evidence to the contrary, otherwise your lefter with thousands of answers to a question with no way to determine which one is correct.
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>>154246517
>To wallow in death an not seek life is a fools errand. End it quick or seek absolution.
See, your mistake is not realising that survival is coded in every lifeform. Every person either try their best to live, or die. In your case you couldn't live without a god, so you made one up in order to survive. But you didn't realise that people don't really need a god to live, just because you personally needed it.
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>>154246537
Nah, you don't assume shit for no reason. Show me any respected paper, widely accepted equation/law, etc. that contains this useless assumption.
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>>154246537
see>>154246507
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>>154246649
Are you legitimately retarded? Do you really not know how the scientific process works? Or do you really believe that science assumes shit to be true and then seeks to disprove it?
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>>154246625
>But you didn't realise that people don't really need a god to live

Humanity has always needed a God to live. Call it part of our psyche but you cannot deny that.

Perhaps you could replace it with the rule of men or the impossible dream.
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>>154246772
Science doesn't make useless claims like 'this specific particle doesn't exist', there's no way it could exist because we didn't observe it yet. There's literally no point.
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>>154246772
Scientific community never completely discredits any theories that didn't get proven wrong. It either tries to prove them right/wrong, or if there is no progress for enough time it simply starts to lose interest. Stop this shitposting.
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>>154220954
Best bitch ever!
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>>154246875
>>154246517
LOL, just how many groundless assumptions can one stuff in just a few words.

If "god" can be replaced by an idea, don't you think maybe that's what it is the entire time? A cremation of human not the other way around.
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>>154246936
Occam's Razor. Basically everything claimed to be the work of God is explained without the need of an omnipotent being, so as there's no evidence of an omnipotent being, then by Russell's Teapot, it's logical to assume it doesn't exist. It's half science and half logic.
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>>154247102

The problem is that all other ideas fail and in the end we are left with one thing.

An idea is nothing when confronted with the truth. You cannot hide behind it, you can only face it and every man will.
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Too much philosophy, not enough Tanya.
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>>154247144
Maybe it's part of the logic, but it's not a part of the science. And for good reason, things we didn't have any proof of before get discovered/proved all the time, so applying Occam's Razor is pretty fallible.
>Russel's Teapot
>He wrote that if he were to assert, without offering proof, that a teapot orbits the Sun somewhere in space between the Earth and Mars, he could not expect anyone to believe him solely because his assertion could not be proven wrong.
Yeah, but he didn't claim that it automatically means the assertion is wrong (and that's what atheists claim), it's basically an argument for agnosticism.
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SPIKE DIES!
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>>154247404
true
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>>154220954
Have you met God before, former Atheist-kun?
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>>154247270
>The problem is that all other ideas fail and in the end we are left with one thing.
Err.. What are you talking about? Are you so ignorant as to think your religion is the last surviving one on the planet?
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Why does not knowing make you so uncomfortable? Sure, humans strive to learn. But you can't learn anything if you assume so much.
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>>154247418
>(and that's what atheists claim
Actually most atheists can easily prove all the existing religions are wrong. There is no need to disprove a deity exists, we just need to discredit each religion one at at time.

As in, we don't need to prove there is no god. We just need to prove YOUR god doesn't exist. And this is easily done because your particular god is contradictory and at odds with other religions. And you could not bring up any evidence that your religion is more true than anyone else's. So the odds that your religion is true and everyone else got it wrong, is basically near zero.
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God is a perfect cup of coffee
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>>154220954
because autheism is a meme made for dumb people / edgy teenagers
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>>154247756
>>As in, we don't need to prove there is no god. We just need to prove YOUR god doesn't exist. And this is easily done because your particular god is contradictory and at odds with other religions. And you could not bring up any evidence that your religion is more true than anyone else's. So the odds that your religion is true and everyone else got it wrong, is basically near zero.
This is nowhere near anything like a proof. Were I really arguing with a retard for this long? Fuck me, I guess I am retarded too.
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>>154247756
Um, no, it's logical to assume God doesn't exist, and the burden of proof falls on those claiming it exists, BUT that doesn't disprove its existence. What CAN be disproved is the claim that God is omnipotent AND benevolent, which screws the monotheistic religions.
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>>154247918
>This is nowhere near anything like a proof. Were I really arguing with a retard for this long? Fuck me, I guess I am retarded too.
You want your god acknowledged. But you are unable to explain why your god is somehow only worshipped by region, and that one's religion is more influenced by culture than anything else. Your particular religion is worshipped by you because that happened to be what you came into contact with, and not due to divine will. If you were born in India you would likely end up a Hindu. Your holy texts does not explain this.
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>>154248070
>Um, no, it's logical to assume God doesn't exist, and the burden of proof falls on those claiming it exists, BUT that doesn't disprove its existence. What CAN be disproved is the claim that God is omnipotent AND benevolent, which screws the monotheistic religions.
I don't see why this is necessary. There is no connection between deities and religion. You can have deities with no religion, and you can have religion with no deities. I am arguing that there is no point trying to disprove deities, when it is religions themselves that are on shaky ground.
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>>154220954
Because he's a stubborn dick.
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>>154248071
>You want your god acknowledged.
Not really, I don't particularly believe in any deity, I'm just not retarded enough to claim something doesn't exists just because we didn't observe it.
Still one religion can potentially be right, there's nothing contradictory, in some people believing in true god, while other believe in false gods. That's in fact a part of many beliefs.
>But you are unable to explain why your god is somehow only worshipped by region
Not everybody sees the light.
>and that one's religion is more influenced by culture than anything else.
Or maybe it's the other way round?
>Your particular religion is worshipped by you because that happened to be what you came into contact with, and not due to divine will.
Meaningless statement that can't be proven right/wrong.
>If you were born in India you would likely end up a Hindu.
>likely
Anyway, what does it bring into this discussion?
>Your holy texts does not explain this.
Actually a lot of them do. Satan, made up by people thanks to free will, etc.
Anyway it seems pretty sad that you are arguing with the assumption the real god must be a god known to us.
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